The long game

This middle-class Coronavirus relief is an insult. The meme is “bailouts for banks, money printer go brrrrr; bailouts for the people, money printer broke.” It underscores the fact that the USA is not a country, in the sense of a people having a state that serves their interests above all. It’s a multi-ethnic sick-man empire sustained by strip-mining the capital of its heritage population, ruled by gangsters whose handle on legitimacy is slipping.

How does Donald Trump fit into all this? The optics suck, starting with the Neocons he surrounds himself with. His Department of Justice letting Antifa run free while incarcerating Trump’s supporters on technicalities, the government’s doubling-down on Obama’ite terror. The continuing immigration, wall unbuilt, swamp undrained.

Another item on the list of non-accomplishments, a subjective but very real one, is his failure to win over Americans of a specific background: Republican-leaning upper-middle-class Whites with families and careers who live in the country’s major metropolitan areas, the same ones who voted for Marco Rubio in 2016 GOP primaries. If you move in those circles, you pick up on their attitude that Trump is just a clown.

On the other hand, working class Americans from coast to coast fill his stadium rallies. Middle-class intellectuals, malcontents, and reawakened Christians of the nationalist Right support him, to the degree that their disappointment hadn’t gotten the best of them. Trump won us over because he spoke to the hopes of the forgotten working class and to the aspirations of clear-eyed dissidents. As things stand, though, these two constituencies — working class Whites and the dissident-Right — do not have any political power.

The proverbial Acela-corridor classes do. By failing to display Alpha qualities, like rounding up and publicly executing Democratic Party leaders and members of the media, Trump hasn’t moved the needle with the White management class, the people who carry out the will of the regime. They remain loyal to the old boss, the pre-Trump uniparty establishment.

By appearances, Trump has no Constitutional power as President, it’s been a figurehead role for many administrations now. There is no federal agent, general officer, or anyone whom he can give any kind of an order. One explanation for the present state of affairs: Trump is one of them. Another explanation: he’s an idiot. Another: he’s impotent. And yet another: he’s a Bernie Sanders of the Right. An impractical, inconsequential dreamer who wants the peace of the 1980s with 2020s demographics.

As to the fifth explanation, for those who are disinclined to take certain things at face-value: he knew all along what he’s getting into, he’s executing the plan from the inside right on schedule, and he’s not working alone. That has always been the plan.

If so, it’s a patient man’s game. The White working classes who wait in long lines to fill his rally stadiums are another element of the long game. They are the people in flesh and blood, they are the nation without whom there is no America. And the dissident Right is people with the gift of sight and speech who carry the lamp in the darkness.

40 thoughts on “The long game

  1. Increased H1B’s is incompatible with forced deportations of all non-citizens. I’m not sure he’s my guy anymore. I could still be wrong, but I don’t think he’s going to finish strong.

  2. An impractical, inconsequential dreamer who wants the peace of the 1980s with 2020s demographics.

    This fits Trump to a t. He probably thought he could “tough business” his way through the Swamp, not fully grasping what is at hand. Or perhaps he had a clue and figured out how it could benefit him. Then again, all the vitriol of his haters won’t save or spare him once he’s out of office, so what it’s all for.

    There was a great comment, either before inauguration or after, regarding what this Trump presidency would be like. The author simply stated that we’ve never experience anything like this (Trump’s braggadocio and the media showing their evil) and as such, it’ll be a roller coaster ride the likes of which we cannot fathom and might not ever experience again.

    I find myself disgusted at Trump’s inaction on much of what PA wrote but equally impressed he’s gotten this far, still holding (somewhat) strong and turning former anatagonists to his side. Reminds me of Rocky IV when the Russians start rooting for the American (ah, Hollywood mumbo jumbo) but the point still stands.

    If Rocky IV can end the Cold War, let’s see how this 3rd act of the first term of Trump 45 comes to a close.

    (Timely post, PA. Well done!)

  3. ” He probably thought he could “tough business” his way through the Swamp, ”

    If he thought that then hes a bigger buffoon then I even suspected. You dont use ” business ” techniques on individuals who have access to assassins, para military organizations, and unlimited funding. However, before we write Trump off as a moron, we shouldn’t examine what he failed to accomplish, but instead look at what he actually has accomplished.

    Moved Israhelli embassy to Jerusalem. Check .

    Declared Jerusalem as the undisputed capital of Israhell. Check.

    Declared Israhell as the undisputed homeland of the Y*ds. Check.

    Declared the Yids as a separate race, with all the associated benefits and privileges. Check.

    Proposed a one-sided ” peace plan ” which basically relegates the Palestinians to a
    ” non-existent ” slave class, while giving Israhell total control over Gaza and the west bank. Check.

    You see folks, Trump’s success or failure depends on how you look at his actions.

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  5. Trump’s two meaningful accomplishments:

    1. Exposing the hostility that the ruling establishment has for all of us. Presently, Trump’s base is powerless and resigned to who-knows-what fate. NOT a proud free people who own their public space. Even cunty women and Acela corridor upper middle classes would have responded positively to Trump mass-executing prominent Democrats and machine-gunning Antifa protesters or the Central American caravan. Those Alpha Moves were never made, thus White liberal voters scorn him. But — should political polarity flip, the ruling cabal fall from power, think of the tsunami of scores to settle. There will never be any illusion of the uniparty establishment or its nonwhite gibs-constituents deserving the benefit of the doubt.

    2. Thwarting globalists’ plans to start a nuclear war with Russia. That was Providential. You can visualize the metaphor of Trump throwing himself physically at the war machine to halt its gears. Such a war would have been the end of Western Civilization and the European race.

    I’m waiting to see what he does in the second term.

  6. Moved Israhelli embassy to Jerusalem. Check .

    Declared Jerusalem as the undisputed capital of Israhell. Check.

    Declared Israhell as the undisputed homeland of the Y*ds. Check.

    Declared the Yids as a separate race, with all the associated benefits and privileges. Check.

    Proposed a one-sided ” peace plan ” which basically relegates the Palestinians to a
    ” non-existent ” slave class, while giving Israhell total control over Gaza and the west bank. Check

    Making that country nice and safe and welcome place for all Jews to be repatriated to?

  7. PA, I was very enthusiastic about Trump at first. However, some time ago he signed JUST 447 which obliges USA to force Poland to pay $300B to Israel in “heirless property”. This is probably the biggest robbery in the history of Poland which will lead to its economical collapse.

    Taking this into account thanks to Trump Israeli jews will become the ruling class of Poland possibly for the next few hundreds years. Now please tell me, how can I still trust this man, if he signed the death penalty for the people who have the same conservative views as his voting base?

    I really wish he was playing the long game, but once he signed this document he permanently lost my trust.

  8. — some time ago he signed JUST 447 which obliges USA to force Poland to pay $300B to Israel in “heirless property”

    I hope that this does not develop as you think it might.

  9. “Making that country nice and safe and welcome place for all Jews to be repatriated to?”

    Do you actually believe this? Do you forget or ignore the President’s grandchildren?

  10. I didn’t say I believe this. Unlike those more astute than me who know all the calamities that will with certainty happen and never tire of reminding us of their clairvoyance, I have no idea what the future will be. I can only see a range of possibilities, however likely or unlikely.

  11. I challenge anyone to watch this video and then tell me that Trump’s, the Congress’s , and rest of the government’s response ( or lack there of )is nothing short of ((( treason ))). Enjoy the $1200 ((( bribe ))) kids, the ride is just starting.

  12. I’m optimistic about the long-term situation. I think we will shortly be experiencing a hyperinflationary destruction of the dollar. It’s pretty much guaranteed with the massive money-printing going on. When the dollar has been destroyed, that limits the government in a way it has not been limited in American history, not since revolutionary times. The government will be limited to spending only what it can collect in taxes, from a population which will be in an economic depression much deeper than the Great Depression. In the “new dollars” that replace the destroyed dollar, the government just won’t be able to borrow or print money like this. Its credibility will be gone. Foreigners will not hold it like they held this dollar. Our trade deficit will be gone; we will have to make actual, real goods that foreign countries actually want to buy.

    Picture this country with an unemployment rate of 30%-50%. How many illegal aliens are going to keep coming here for work? How many are going to leave voluntarily and go home, when it becomes impossible to find work and they find themselves among hostile natives who deeply resent them attempting to take what few jobs there are? Say goodbye to H1B and all the other work visa programs. Politicians will compete to show who is more committed to actual American citizens getting scarce jobs instead of foreigners. A significant portion of the Democrats’ voters, of foreign birth, will be leaving to go back where they feel more at home and more welcome and where, even if they can’t find work, they’re at least among their own.

    And say goodbye to politically correct bullcrap. Hungry, jobless people aren’t going to tolerate that nonsense any longer. Say goodbye to patience with endless black whining, crime, and dysfunction.

    Say goodbye to tattoos, sluts, rampant obesity, dressing like a slob.

    And say goodbye to massive, unaccountable government spending and money printing. Their credibility will have been shot with they way they brought on the imminent hyperinflation. No one will say deficits don’t matter. The government will be forced to get by on a budget a tenth of what it is now. A small military that can’t afford to police the world any longer, some help for indigent elderly, a small bureaucracy to enforce a limited range of regulations. No more money for left-wing activist groups – they’re going to have to get real jobs if they want to eat.

    Almost all of the social dysfunction of the last 50 years was made possible by burning up the credibility the nation’s money had since the Civil War. Without easy money, there’s only hungry people with no patience for nonsense. We’re on the cusp of a new era of conservatism.

  13. This is a fine essay, PA. I also think Joe’s post has a lot of interesting ideas, but I don’t have time to comment on that now. Just a few comments of my own for consideration.

    Trump is not stupid. He thinks out loud, which is not good in an executive, but Trump is not stupid. Some people been learning that the hard way. Some haven’t learned it yet. May never.

    Trump did not arrive in DC as a political novice. He’s been buying politicians wholesale for generations.

    People overestimate the formal and informal powers of the Presidency, and wildly underestimate the powers of the permanent government. I used to work in this sphere with a certain degree of exposure to high-level political decision making. Given the opposition of the uniparty and most of the public service, it’s a wonder that *any* of Trump’s policies make progress. Anything he does gain comes with a price that most of heritage Americans would prefer not to pay. Sadly, that’s just how politics works.

    There are *not* a lot of Dissident Rightists around at senior levels. This means we lack broad knowledge of how to make the machine work, and Trump is stuck with staffing up with The Usual. Another layer of obstruction for him.

    Trump has written and lived the principle that no one who harms him will go unpunished. His enemies aren’t exactly hiding what they’re doing. Now, he obviously can’t take on half the country, but watch this space.

    It irritates me no end to have guys on our side constantly complaining about what Trump has or hasn’t accomplished. I’m 100% certain he knew he’d be in for a battle. He’s doing what he can, and is better for us and the country as a whole than any realistic alternative.

    Like you, I have no idea how things will pan out. Like Joe, however, I sense the time is upon us. And my hunch — nothing more than a hunch, but inspired by Jim of Jim’s Blog — is that Trump is waiting (must wait) until he can build up the power within DoJ and the military to deal with the coup. If he eventually does, then watch out.

  14. ” It irritates me no end to have guys on our side constantly complaining about what Trump has or hasn’t accomplished. ”

    The only reason that would bother you is if you believe that Trump is 100% genuine and has ” plans ” for the future. However, this is a believe that goes contrary to all the evidence we have seen over the past 3 years, and continue to see by his current actions. Therefore, let me say that I’m irritated by the people on our side who constantly wear ” rose colored glasses ” no matter what the facts are concerning Trump’s decisions. I also agree that Trump is not dumb. However, that doesnt automatically make him one of our guys.

  15. It’s hard to know whether Trump is making good decisions or not. He’s probably overwhelmed. One thing about him, though, is he is a leader. I find even people who hate him tend to feel comfortable with him in a leadership role. You can tell by things they say. Many are listening to him about the pandemic. I think his leadership abilities may have tamped down panic.
    I suspect a lot of people who hate him secretly want him to win reelection. I don’t think they will vote for him, but they won’t too upset if he wins.

  16. Amon Ra | March 28, 2020 at 8:17 am
    “It irritates me no end to have guys on our side constantly complaining about what Trump has or hasn’t accomplished.”

    The only reason that would bother you is if you believe that Trump is 100% genuine and has ”plans” for the future. However, this is a believe that goes contrary to all the evidence we have seen over the past 3 years, and continue to see by his current actions.

    We disagree there. But I understand why you think that, and I accept that you have good reasons for thinking so. My main concern is that we all start getting pointed in the same direction, and prepare. If we’re to move forward, it won’t be because Trump does it for us, but because we took advantage of the opportunity he’s created.

  17. So the latest on the Corona is that we’re not all going to die, but our balls are likely to have shriveled up some substantially because we had the virus and we didn’t even know it but they did a number on our balls. / seriously?

    Everyone’s got an opinion. Mine is now that it was and is real, but is hyped up as a scare, and it’s the new go-to for the Foundation with which the corral the herd.

    They have found what works. An invisible enemy that never goes away. What could go wrong?

    Morgoth has up on his youtube a very good meta video up on the Foundation. I will try to do a summary of it later.

    Here’s the summary of it now. The Foundation is Asimov’s classic sci-fi story about the new world order. The premise of which is that the Foundation is a good thing, a guiding light to keep the ignorant masses out of chaos and darkness. And further, that the Masses [that be us, yo] don’t know about the Foundation. It’s the Water that they swim in. Sound familiar?

  18. My short take position — as in, my opinion, yo — on Trump is in two parts.

    1. His politics are CivNat and pro Israel, pro jewish. They are incidentally pro White, at best. They be pro White yo! to the extent that he is made to be pro White, by the prevailing conditions.

    He has to and will, concede to the White majority, to some extent; to the extent that he is made to do so. I don’t think he is one of us, which is to say a man of Race. Or is he a man of another Race.

    Some people say he is deep Crypto. It has to be said, that his looks are peculiar, in the same way that some good looking jews are not quite White. Robert Downey for instance. Good looking talented guy. But put him next to a bunch of Malibu Chads and Stacy’s like in the film Less Than Zero and he sticks out like a sore thumb.

    Same with Trump. His heritage is supposedly Scottish, and Outer Islander or whatever tf it’s called [on his mother’s side]. But put him next to a bunch of those people, who actually live on those there Islands, and even w/o the trappings of wealth and celebrity, Trump does not have their face. / assertion —> true

    2. One thing about Trump that many people are agreeing on, and our side has always admired him for this, is his Leadership quality. He has been an icon for that reason, and this his ultimate test, is showing that to be the case.

    As a side note, what are some good literally phrases and metaphors, for the ultimate test thing, most every man pretty much at some point in his life, has to face?

    A German-style man of letters, like say Thomas Mann, might would can provide an assorted bunch of metaphors and phrases for this elusive, but yet familiar, thing.

    Remember Dr Yueh from Dune? he referenced this thing with a fancy phrase, in referring to his cross, which was that he had to betray his Duke, because the evil Baron had his wife Wanda, or so he thought..

  19. @Joe
    Vox Day has a post up speculating that Trump MAY have nationalized the Fed. If Trump is our guy, this could plausibly be an attempt to weaken the swamp.

    I’m afraid the interesting times we live in are going to get interestinger.

  20. ” We disagree there. But I understand why you think that, and I accept that you have good reasons for thinking so ”

    I actually agree with the two points you made,although, in a different way.

    ” My main concern is that we all start getting pointed in the same direction, and prepare. ”

    Totally agree. However, to point in the same direction, we need to define our ultimate goals and structures. As far as I can tell we haven’t.

    For instance, what kind of government will we have, if given the chance ?

    What would happen to all the ” other ” people in our nations ?

    What happens to our own people who have mystery meat offspring ?

    Will multiple competing religions be allowed in our lands ?

    What kind of economic system ?

    Who qualifies as one of us ?

    Without answering questions such as these now we will never all be ” facing in the same direction “, and leave room for multiple ” civil war ” type scenarios even if we succeed .

    ” If we’re to move forward, it won’t be because Trump does it for us, but because we took advantage of the opportunity he’s created. ”

    I agree, the only difference would be ” because we took advantage of the opportunity he’s created inadvertently. “

  21. It wouldn’t be that surprising if Trump has Jewish DNA. Apparently, white people who grow up in sunnier climates tend to have darker skin than ones who don’t. He is definitely tanner than most Scottish people.

  22. One thing Trump deserves credit for is creating a necessary split between the press and the president. The fact that they don’t like him, and he does not like them, is probably better at keeping them both more accountable.

  23. Trump is Scottish on his mother’s side, Rhineland German on his father’s side. It’s a very normal thing in much of the United States outside of the South to have mixed Western European heritage, but one quickly notices different types of looks by nation, once looking at native Europeans.

    In the old usage of the word “race,” he’s mixed-race. A genetic mismatch among close-enough peoples can either express solely one or the other lineage in the resulting mixed person, it can sometimes but rarely result in “best of both worlds”, and not uncommonly, the mix can produce an off-look that sometimes seems Jewish, such as the bulbous, recessed eyes Trump’s 1980 photos show. Yet in some of his college-age photos such as his military academy portrait, Trump looks almost as classically Nordic-handsome as Brad Pitt.

  24. Amon Ra | March 28, 2020 at 11:45 am
    . . . we need to define our ultimate goals and structures. As far as I can tell we haven’t.

    Yep. In my humble opinion, this is where we should be arguing. The rest of it is all by the by, in the greater scheme of things. Trump will do as Trump does. Life marches on.

    We’re angling toward an answer here, and on the Zman Blog, and elsewhere.

    Naturally, no one wants to stick his head up and have it shot off by the feds.

    We need to find a way forward. I don’t know what it is. But we need to find it.

  25. Elk is on to something with his observation that Donald Trump has an unusual look. Unlikely, in my opinion, that it’s Jewish if you notice that passing-Jews tend to look increasingly Semitic with age. Alpha Jews all end up looking like any one of Israel’s prime ministers. Trump certainly aged in a different direction.

    Trump does have a large, lionine face with big eyes, not classically handsome. Frenchman Gerard Depardieu had a similar look when young, and he also aged [at his present age of 70-something] into a very European rather than Semitic face.

    Depardieu when young:

  26. National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow: “It’s the largest mainstream financial assistance package in the history of the United States… we are putting in whatever it takes, we’re using every federal power lever possible to help folks and it’s going right into middle, lower-middle class people.”

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hard-imperfect-stimulus-bill-larry-kudlow/story?id=69856218

    Also:

    Kudlow has faced criticism over comments he made in February claiming that the United States had the situation under control.

    “We have contained this. I won’t say airtight, but it’s pretty close to airtight,” he said during a CNBC interview on Feb. 25 before the number of COVID-19 cases in the United States ballooned in March. He also predicted at the time that the virus would not lead to an “economic tragedy.”

    Asked about those comments by Raddatz, Kudlow defended himself by claiming that he was repeating the information given to him.

  27. ” Asked about those comments by Raddatz, Kudlow defended himself by claiming that he was repeating the information given to him. ”

    The common excuse of sleazy scoundrels. Its never their fault, mistakes were made, bad information was followed, we’ll try better next time, no one is really to blame, a subordinate made the wrong decision, etc , etc …………..

  28. There is pointing in the “same” direction and there is pointing in the Right direction.

    The former is egalitarian. The latter, a desire for Supremacy.

    If you don’t understand “anti-white supremacy” at this stage, you are either too dumb or too converged.

    It’s an egalitarian conceit to believe that Satan has a “plan” to damn ALL souls when the more plausible reality is that he has a unique plan of damnation for each race of man running, quite logically, through the patrilineal generations.

    Desire for racial Supremacy is anti-egalitarian, anti-Satan’s “plan.” And because “man-kind” persists, ie., has not self-annihilated, this desire for racial Supremacy exists even if barely.

    Because it is this “barely” that has the demons in a frenzy and Satan seemingly in “collapse” mode.

    Satan just might have to forge a new “plan,” after all. “Modernism” failed to completely quash desire for racial Supremacy.

    The Vatican could not disagree.

  29. I think the reason a lot of people on “our” side are so upset about Trump is because they did not realize what he is.

    What Trump is:
    A super alpha (this more than anything I would say is his defining characteristic and the best way to understand his actions; his place on the socio-sexual hierarchy)
    A boomer
    A deal-maker

    What Trump isn’t;
    A WN/cyprto-WN
    Some sort of weird Attomwaffen-style autistic retard
    A revolutionary
    The second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ

    I don’t think he has been a particularly bad President, and definitely an incredibly entertaining one. When people like Amon like to harp on and ON about this Jerusalem embassy shit, that’s just spreging. Do you really give a fuck about the Palestinians Amon? I don’t think think you do. The J*ws are not a monolithic hive-mind entity, some of you give them far too much credit (if it can be called that) on this. It’s possible that he’s courting a particular faction(s) of J*wry with this show-Sabra Nationalism.

    Ultimately though, I have far too little insider information or even personal insight to make statements regarding this “4-D chess stuff” so I’ll stick to what I know; from a foreign policy perspective, (specifically that of mine and my countrymen) Trump has been fairly decent. Hell even being left alone is all we could ask for.

    I’ll voice my final opinion at the end of the second term, if there is one. Or maybe not. It’s not like the world waits with bated breath for my pearls of wisdom.

  30. HungarianPatriot, that’s the best assessment one can make without speculating about the unknowns. I agree with it.

    As to these unknowns I’m waiting to see what happens in the second term. There are reasons to believe, and this is partly but not entirely in the realm of faith and intuition, that we’ve all already avoided a horror scenario thanks to Trump, and also that the second term will be Our Move.

  31. ” Do you really give a fuck about the Palestinians Amon? I don’t think think you do. ”

    Actually yes I do, in the spirit of honor and reciprocity. The Palestinians , Iran, and other countries helped my people during WW2 and are actually facing the same enemy that we are. The various struggles happening around the world are not separate, isolated incidents but part of a bigger overarching war. Therefore, they must be looked at from a larger Geo-political angle. Ultimately, the Palestinian struggle is a struggle for self determination, a homeland for a people, and the defeat of the ZioAmerican empire. This is exactly what our side wants also.

    ” Thanks to a remarkable reversal of fortune well over 110,000 Poles including 36,000 women and children managed to leave the Soviet Union with the Anders’ Army. They ended up in Iran, India, Palestine, New Zealand, British Africa, as well as in Mexico.[4] Among those who remained in the Soviet Union about 150,000 Poles perished before the end of the war.[5] “

  32. Amon I agree with you on the principle of an overarching Geo-political struggle, but I do not think that it is as cut-and-dry as you present it. I lack the finesse to describe my view of this struggle and I’m also a little drunk. So, to avoid making a fool of myself with a lengthy speech, I urge you to read Bronze Age Mindset, if you haven’t already done so. There, a man much more gifted with words will explain.

    I also do not think that the average Palestinian gives a damn about me, and may even view me with hostility because I am Christian. That does not mean I am a some kind of retard Evangelical that wishes them harm, but I think people on the right who indiscriminately take up their cause risk coming across as well… cringe-y.

    As for the ZioAmerican empire, rejoice for it is indubitably in decline, is exhibiting all the signs of an empire in decline, and empires (unlike peoples) never, ever make a comeback from a decline.

    I also love the Iranian people in particular, and all that they represent. I can only hope that one day they will return to Zoroastrianism, and that the people of Baktria will return to Buddhism as well instead of Islam.

    @PA; Gerard Depardieu is 100% Frankish Neanderthal phenotype. Look at that bone structure! You could take a baseball bat to that face and your arm would get tired first! Absolutely glorious. I am loathe to praise actors but he’s a pretty cool guy. Loved him in all the Asterix and Obelix films 😀

  33. ” I also do not think that the average Palestinian gives a damn about me, and may even view me with hostility because I am Christian. ”

    As they shouldn’t, its clear you dont care about their plight but that doesn’t matter, they
    , just like us, just want to be left alone in their own land. Also, You are incorrect about their hate of Christians as they have lived side by side for hundreds of years. In fact, the PLO and even Hezbollah troops fought, and died, defending Christian towns in Syria and Lebanon.

    ” but I think people on the right who indiscriminately take up their cause risk coming across as well… cringe-y. ”

    I’ve been supporting the Palestinian cause, because of morals and principals, since my days in middle school, way before I started traveling the land of the alt-right.

    Also, you might want to check out some info on Islam below, as it looks like you might not be that informed about it. Basically, try not to mix the Saudi / ISIS / Al-quadea version with the traditional kind as they arent the same.

    ” Who is Jesus in Islam?

    In Islam, Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, is one of the five greatest messengers of God who are collectively known as the ‘Ul al-Azm or the Possessors of Steadfastness. Jesus is also a real person who lived in Roman Judea in the first century of the Common Era. Muslims share with Christians most of the basic outlines of Jesus’ story, though there are certainly differences. In Islam, as well as in Christianity, Jesus was born to the Virgin Mary and was without a father. But for Muslims, Jesus is neither God nor the Son of God.

    Like all messengers of God in Islam, Jesus came to his people with a message. Jesus’ message is called the Injil, or the gospel. As in the Christian tradition, he is a miracle worker and a healer. He gave sight to the blind and brought the dead back to life. The Qur’an has additional miracles ascribed to Jesus. For example, Jesus speaks from his cradle and makes a bird out of clay and breathes into it to turn it into a real bird. “

  34. IDGAF about what that abberation of a religion thinks about Jesus.

    I’m aware that not all 1.8 billion of it’s adherents are fanatical ideologues, and that not every sect of it is equally myopic and stupid.

    Traditional Islam is the Sunni fundamentalist kind. Iran, which is probably the most high IQ area of the Muslim world has also been the source of every major “heresy” of that religion.

    You’re not dropping big facts on anyone fam.

  35. I shouldn’t have said high IQ re Iran I just mean like… the Persians have a different spirit than the Arabs. High IQ was really bad way to say it.

  36. ” IDGAF about what that abberation of a religion thinks about Jesus. ”

    Tone down the anger man, you implied that most Palestinians have some inherent hatred towards Christians, which is not factual at all. Also, the current ” fundamentalist ” Sunni version of Islam came about in the late seventies as a creation ,of both Saudi Arabia and the CIA / State dept, to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. Its as much an aberration of Islam, as pro-Israeli fundamentalist mega churches , in the US and other places , are of Christianity . Guess whos the main backer of those ? All sides are being played here.

  37. Speaking of Iran, this video is defiant of US imperialism/war. It’s a “defend our homes” story that hits the right buttons. Yet what’s jarring about it, is that it’s almost as multiracial as the ugliest of Western multicult-propaganda. The leading men in the story, along the the girl that was tragically killed, appear to be pure-blooded Persians. However, many of the backdrop people look Arab and several of the boys — including the leading kid — are black. Iran of course is multiracial. You can accept that the video wanted to rally all of its citizens under one umbrella. But there is tokenism, and there is elevating the minority to a leading role, as is the case with the black kid on the beach.

  38. ” The leading men in the story, along the the girl that was tragically killed, appear to be pure-blooded Persians. However, many of the backdrop people look Arab and several of the boys — including the leading kid — are black. Iran of course is multiracial. ”

    I think you’re reading too much into this. Those ” black ” kids are actually just the darker kind of Arab . Remember, the only reason Iran is Islamic today is because Arabic armies invaded it, therefore, they are a fixture there although not as prevalent as it may appear.

    The Persian / Aryan types are still a large majority there and have absolute rule, therefore, there is no pandering to ” minorities ” like we would have in the west. In fact, the intermingling / marriage rates between the various groups is very low and probably shunned upon.

    Heres a better representation of modern life in Iran.

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