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Was Oliver Stone trying to tell us something? The ending scene in his early ’90s movie The Doors shows a strange male figure walking through Jim Morrison’s apartment moments after he had died in the bathtub. The scene:

The woman is his longtime girlfriend Pam Courson. You can attribute the apparition to poetic license, of course. Morrison’s shamanistic persona, which the movie brought out. Or maybe that was Stone’s depiction of Courson tripping. Just after that clip, the film’s epilogue says “Jim is said to have died of heart failure. He was 27.” Odd wording. On Morrison’s death:

Morrison joined Courson in Paris in March 1971, at an apartment he had rented on the rue Beautreillis…  In letters he described going for long walks through the city, alone. During this time, Morrison shaved his beard and lost some of the weight he had gained in the previous months. Morrison died on July 3, 1971 at age 27. In the official account of his death, he was found in a Paris apartment bathtub (at 17–19 rue Beautreillis, 4th arrondissement) by Courson. The official cause of death was listed as “heart failure”, although no autopsy was performed. [Infogalactic]

Courson died three years later. Wikipedia’s entry on Jim Morrison includes this:

His death was two years to the day after the death of the Rolling Stones guitarist Brian Jones, and approximately nine months after the deaths of Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin.

It’s been two decades since I listened to one of Morrison’s poems that was set to music. The Adagio in the above video is one. I also have two volumes of his poems, which I had read a very long time ago. What struck me about them is their “harmonious incoherence.” Words that are blasted all over the place by a disjointed mind yet held together by a talented poet. It’s all images. I can’t speak to the writing of mentally ill people, or heavy users of hallucinogenic drugs; maybe they all sound like that, minus the talent.

But it makes you wonder about any backstory involving Morrison and mind-control program he could have been subjected to. His father, Rear Admiral George Stephen Morrison, commanded US naval forces during the Tonkin Gulf Incident. So there is that connection to some kind of an inner circle. Anyway, browse through the link in Amon Ra’s comment:

Add to that Michael Jackson and Jimi Hendrix’s death and many others. Also, money is only one part of why they are “sacrificed.” Read through this website if you really want to know how truly depraved and controlled by “other” forces the music industry has become, and maybe always was. [Link]

Suburban_elk has started things off with an observation about Ricky Nelson:

Ricky Nelson died in a plane crash, along with so many others of his stripe.

Some poster at BBS was explaining that it wasn’t Courtney Love who had Kurt Cobain set up and killed; that that was mud in the water, a distraction. It was actually David Geffen, the jewish record exec to whom he was contracted, and to whom he was sort of managing to get the better of, despite said contract. And this: Apparently John Lennon, before he was killed, was in the same position vis a vis Geffen.

I don’t do internet research and can’t vouch for these “conspiracy facts” but it does seem suspicious. Both Lennon and Cobain were the voices of their generation (to use the hackneyed cliche) and they also happened to be in a contract dispute with the same guy?

And now what we know about how they like their symbolic sacrifices. How many of those rock-and-roll plane crash deaths, such as Ricky Nelson’s, were not accidents but rather sacrifices.

If you or someone you know is a promising young musician, it’s better to stick to the local scene.

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  1. That figure you talk about in that scene appears at various times through the movie. Rewatch looking for it/him. It has to do with the car crash of Indians he witnessed as a young boy and in the movie is the scene where that figure first appears.

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  3. In 1993, I was 17 and young and dumb and spent the summer in Paris. I visited his grave at Pere la Chaize, before it was moved. Lots of graffiti, met some cool people, it wasn’t a spiritual experience or anything, just something to do, so I could say I did it. Not so dumb, though, that when approached by stranger middle eastern looking men, I would go off with them. My “bitch shield” was well wielded at those times.

    I like The Doors, the band, and the film. No shame in it. Kilmer put in a grade A performance as Morrison. Morrison’s poetry is incoherent but maybe, maybe he was before his time in trying to make sense of what was coming. Society falling apart, and nowhere to hide from it. Embrace it, mourn it, join it, fight it? I still don’t know.

  4. If you or someone you know is a promising young musician, it’s better to stick to the local scene.

    That’s good advice (and “most droll”), but there’s not much of a local scene, to speak of, around here.

    There is a coffee shop around that is not the chain; it’s actually a Christian themed place. I don’t know the particulars but it is somehow run and financed by a local church. Good on them, right?

    Except they don’t have anything like an open mic or a piano.

    It’s a much more positive place, a scene if you will, than the Caribous and Starbucks. But w/o “something (specific) to do” — what do you do there?

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    27 is very young. Oliver Stone was a helluva ambitious director. I didn’t necessarily like his movie The Doors, but it did have some great parts. The surviving band members said that Val Kilmer did NOT get Jim right, that he did not act like him. Though that may have been the opinion of just one of them.

    Oliver Stone has a cameo in that film. He is the professor of the film school where Jim is enrolled and debuts his art film about shamanism. Stone (in character) calls Jim’s very pretentious: and Jim ‘the melodramatic’ quits and walks out. Great scene!

    What’s-her-name as Jim’s gf — well cast, or not?

  5. There was also the meme that Morrison’s iq was 150 or 160, I forget which. It’s certainly believable enough — lots of smart White people — but what was likely the origin of that rumor; his SAT’s or his father’s file on him?

    A character as famous as Morrison: who was he in high school, and how is it that his high school is unremarked?

    In the new internet world, Laurel Canyon is well known as a CIA operation, or whatever tf. The famous deceased Internet v1.5 blogger Dave [last name here] wrote it up in detail at his blog Center for an Informed America.

  6. With the relevant data, and together with the right spergy characters (injected w/ internet autism), and the odds on all those iconic performers — artists, if you will — dying in plane crashes, might could be calculated.

    It’s impossible that half the most beautiful ones, end up dead in plane crashes. Patsy Cline, Ricky Nelson, Lynyrd Skynyrd. Those people were not run of the mill “entertainers.” They were more than that. They were beloved.

    Those demon-priests, see something starting to take shape in the form of religious rite, on which they don’t have control, and they extinguish it: by burning it up in flames.

    / I am so angry!

  7. I saw his grave in Paris in 1997. It was a plain rectangular headstone, none of the shrine you see in the movie. That stuff was probably put there by fans and later taken down. There was no graffiti on nearby graves either. A sole policeman stood nearby presumably to prevent vandalism.

    I read The Doors drummer John Densmore’s autobiography shortly after it was published in 1990. He (Densmore) came off in it as a regular guy caught up in the industry. He noted, for example, groupies’ mercenary intentions of sleeping with him as a stepping stone to getting to Jim. A lot of loose girls on the scene. Low-divorce culture, high trust, lots of kids and “girls to spare” in the boomer generation. The music industry was like an aggressive animal that sprung upon all that unguarded wealth.

    Densmore went along with all that, didn’t question it. He never pretended to be a philosopher. Just a drummer doing what he’s told. He described an argument with his parents about the obscene suggestion in The End, “Mother, I want to…..” He couldn’t convince his parents that “it’s art, maaan… from greek myths and stuff….” [I paraphrase Densmore’s case in defense of the Oedipal lyrics.]

    He also comments on the politics of the late 60s. Namely, rock n roll vs his antagonist the nixonesque silent majority. Classic Rock today is anodyne. The more creative songs and many ballads have passed the test of time as pleasant music. But ‘Attitude Rock’ or rebellion anthems are locked in their time. Nobody under 75 rocks it out to Stones’ “Satisfaction.” Hell, even dick-swingin’ rock from the 80s like Van Halen comes off as silly now.

    Anyhow, new Rock of its time was a weapon against the national culture. Older people called it Devil Music. They saw it as promoting drugs and premarital sex, which it did. Camille Paglia posthumously lionizes Rock for its dyonisian energy, and she isn’t wrong about that.

    No doubt though that the industry was controlled by top level subversives / mk ultra (satanists), who’ve since completely come out of the closet per that link in Amon’s comment. Remember that early scene in Walk The Line, when Johnny Cash gets his first audition with Sam Phillips to record an album. He performs some folksy ditty. Phillips says something along the lines of “Is that all you’ve got? Is this what youd say with your last breath if you had to say something?”

    So liberated, Cash flashes his id. Performs a song he wrote about killing a random man to watch him die. Nihilism and sociopathy are locked in the human soul and they can be unlocked at any time. Rock unlocked that id. I’m not casting artistic judgment here. Just analyzing. Strange though, how the bigger latter part of Cash’s long life appeared to be a running away from or penance for something. Those musicians weren’t philosophers by and large, Morrison excepted. They were regular guys with talent who did what they were told.

    A few of the latter-generation untimely celeb deaths: River Phoenix, Heath Ledger, Chris Cornell. A drug overdose or choking on one’s vomit can happen in that lifestyle. It can also, presumably, be plausible and easy to pull off. Just get a professional to access the celeb by blending in with the dirtbag hangers-on.

  8. Well, a sammich was Mama Cass’ undoing. MK Hoagie.

    I always liked Ricky Nelson’s “Garden Party.” Seems to recap much of that era you’re describing, PA, but with a bittersweet, “this is what we did not who we are” reflection. It’s in that line when he says he had some new songs but they just wanted to listen to the old songs.

    Best line:
    If you gotta play at garden parties, I wish you a lotta luck
    But if memories were all I sang, I rather drive a truck

  9. these people live degenerate lives with tons of drugs

    meanwhile most of the born againer rockers like Stryper can still hit the high notes

  10. ” meanwhile most of the born againer rockers like Stryper can still hit the high notes ”

    But the music ? Its not on par with many of the ” druggies ” .

  11. “Fucked up people write the best music.”

    I think that can be expanded to all art forms, with the possible exception of architecture.

  12. It’s hard to imagine in high school I admired Morrison as much as I did. Now that I’ve surpassed his lifespan by 4 years it’s apparent he was just a young man that was deeply troubled; had father/authority issues which led to decadent drug use and loose sexual morals. I don’t actively listen to The Doors or many of the FM radio staples of the period, but if it’s on I will listen. I still think “Riders on the Storm” is one of the best pop songs of the period. Very theatrical and haunting. Morrison was talented and handsome; he could’ve done great things if he had more discipline. That being said, since my baptism into the Roman Church I’ve reappraised my media consumption and some artists haven’t made the cut. Led Zeppelin is one of them as it’s obvious that the band dabbled in the occult to some extent and the music is primarily driven by lustful images and phrases. It’s not beautiful nor does it inspire much other than a raucous energy that is at best juvenile and at worst primal.

  13. I have a feeling Jim Morrison’s worst enemy was Jim Morrison. His genetics likely weren’t suited to the decadent lifestyle he found himself in and he just lacked the discipline to handle it.

  14. He was a mix of Scottish, English and Irish. There are some pretty wild people from that part of the world. He probably was more suited to raiding a neighboring village than sitting for a photo shoot.

  15. Clifford Morrison claims to be the late Jim’s son. His mother confirmed that claim. A DNA test was taken around 1990 and Jim Morrison’s estate didnt dispute that claim. Last news of him is from 2010, that he was facing a long prison term as a violent felon.

  16. He looks like he could be from Scotland. Steve Sailer once posted an article about Scottish highlanders. They were basically Indians until the late 1800’s.

  17. “Fucked up people write the best music.”

    True even of classical composers, esp. Schumann and Mozart. One major exception: BACH, J.S.

  18. I took a look at Chopin’s biography on wikipedia out of curiosity. No indication of his being a fuckup. One failed marriage engagement, strange affair with George Sand (woman) whom he initially found repellent, poor health. But otherwise he was well liked by his contemporaries in Paris.

    He may have been similar to John Keats, another Romantic artist who died young of poor health and whose bio suggests a sensitive personality.

  19. ” It’s not beautiful nor does it inspire much other than a raucous energy that is at best juvenile and at worst primal. ”

    We’re going to have to disagree immensely on this statement.

  20. Since we’re on the topic here’s something I posted on an earlier thread. I think everyone will find this interesting due to the subject matter. All is not what it seems, especially with the US music scene, past and present.

  21. ” If you or someone you know is a promising young musician, it’s better to stick to the local scene. ”

    This is noble advice, but if a young musician doesn’t want to starve and work throwaway jobs the rest of their lives, they will need to tour at the very least. Music is a tough business with much of the ” success” happening through luck.

  22. Stephen Davis’ Morrison bio is not very good, unlike his Zeppelin bio, but it did have one thing that stayed with me. He wrote that Morrison modeled his life after that of a French peasant drunk, after being very impressed by Rimbaud. Supposedly that’s where he learned to drink nonstop as soon as he woke. Imagine ruining everything because of some French poet.

  23. — Interview with Jim Morrison’s father and sister

    I watched it. It’s only eight minutes long. Jim Morrison’s sister comes across as a lovely person. Was close with her brother in their childhood.

    His father was very much a GI Generation man. Born in 1919. Stoic, clearly loved his son but never emotionally connected with him. He never listened to The Doors songs because he didn’t consider himself a competent interpreter of poetry.

    Contacted his own former Greek teacher to help him come up with an inscription for Jim’s gravestone. He decided on “He lived true to his spirit” in Greek. The old man died in 2008.

  24. From Rear Admiral George Stephen Morrison’s wikipedia page (this isn’t on his Infogalactic page):

    In 1967, in one article in the British paper, The Telegraph, it is unofficially reported by some that Morrison vehemently opposed the US response to, and findings of, the USS Liberty incident which exonerated Israel of malice. Morrison did not rise in rank again after his outspoken criticism of Israeli intentions.

  25. The people I’ve known who like The Doors, and their sonic cousin Iron Butterfly, have generally been people to whom I would never lend anything or permit to crash at my place while I was away.

  26. So Prince Andrew is guilty of having relations with a 17-year old girl?

    Other than that, it’s his association with Epstein, and the implications thereof?

  27. The people I’ve known who like The Doors, and their sonic cousin Iron Butterfly, have generally been people to whom I would never lend anything or permit to crash at my place while I was away.

    Did it happen more than once?

  28. The video Amon Ra linked above —

    Laurel Canyon, Hippies and MKULTRA: Dave McGowan Tribute Series (Part 1)

    was a good video. The guy who does the narration presents the material well. It basically him reading from Dave McGowan’s research work. Which work says that most of those very famous Laurel Canyon hippie musicians, including Jim Morrison, were the brainchildren, and literal children, of high level military intelligence and other such like.

    What does it all mean? The implication is that the 60s music scene was created as a psy op, by those military intelligence and associated black ops.

    But to what end? Just in order to fill people up with hippy dippy feelz?

  29. My hot take on the Laurel Canyon project, is that it was a failure. They didn’t create a generation of zombies. They managed to record some good music; and that’s about it.

  30. That VigilantCitizen website link in the original post was a real wakeup to how much the high up people in the old music industry are into this “satanic” ideology, the fact that many fame seeking artists are using these “cult props” in their music shows that they have sold their souls and artistry.

  31. Alright class, please put your McGraw-Hill “MKUltra Brainwashing: An Introductory Primer”s under your desk while I hand out the exam.

    List and explain the use of *ll*m*n*t* mind-control sex slavery symbology in the following video:

    Use back of sheet if necessary . . . .

  32. –but needs to be seen in fullscreen mode to take in those bonechilling monster butterflies as well as that jawdropping moment at 1:47 which is so over the top it makes me wonder (hope, I suppose) the whole thing is just a big parody of known *ll*m*n*t* imagery.

    Looking for the luminous I-word on youtube, btw, gets you an automatic wikipedia intro to the I-word, just like Climate Change.

    Sofia Smallstorm, the pioneering researcher on the odd occurence at S*nd* H**k, did a very long interview with Dave McGowan, which I have watched before but it’s been a few years.

  33. regarding art and culture, what we are allowed to see and hear is at least as important as what we are NOT allowed to see and hear.

    all that mainstream “great” music of the 60s and 70s obviously passed the subversion test and therefore for was approved for mass consumption. there is nothing controversial about ANY of it. the simple fact that it was available, for free, to any and all should tell you all you need to know. ritual used to be a thing. you didn’t just listen to sacred music all the time on your earbuds. it was for special occasions. so the simple fact that music is available all the time (as is sex and drugs) should itself make you suspect of what agenda it serves. are you getting enough entertainment, kiddos?

    what I’d like to see and hear is what we’re NOT allowed to see and hear. the non-curated, truly inspirational stuff that would threaten the status quo. what’s in the basement of the Louvre, the Vatican, private collections, etc? what kinds of music would be created if the gloves were off?

    these days I listen to a lot of classical. the complexity alone makes it almost de facto forbidden for mass consumption. it takes work to decode it. it enjoys an unusual exemption from the anti-white censorship machine. the best they can do is try to make you think that Bach plagiarized Yo-Yo Ma.

    I would love to see what kind of music our ancestors created in pre-Christian times. you know, from that, like, insignificantly small time period between 2,000 and 100,000+ years ago. I would imagine there was some very powerful, participatory, transcendent “music” creating going on. Morrison and a few others may have just accidentally revealed a teeny tiny glimpse of some of that to the masses. which is why it had to be shut down.

  34. “Morrison and a few others may have just accidentally revealed a teeny tiny glimpse of some of that to the masses. which is why it had to be shut down.”

    it not have been the music by itself that was threatening, but rather the combination of the music with the live performance. suicide-ing the artist takes care of that.

    the music by itself doesn’t contain any magic when it’s played 24/7. having it available still serves the agenda of endless distraction for the masses, without running the risk of the demi-god performer uttering a few wrong-think phrases and RP-ing his fan base.

  35. Great comment Plumpjack. Not trying to “top” it but just saying —

    The Drums of War!

    Remember the scene from Return of the King, where the Dark Hordes are marching on Minas Tirith and the giant trolls are beating their drums in time. Who knew that trolls doubled as musicians drummers?

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    There is definitely an online music scene movement scene thing that is about this type of music; but no surprise, such selections on yourube are castigated out. For an example of this type of music: the podcasters at Renegade, namely Sinead and Kyle, select these such for their musical selection interludes.

    The ritual form for this more real sort of music is the shaman dance type thing. The American Indians liked to do these. You can still these people around, doing this stuff. I was driving down a road here in this suburb recently and saw in Indian in full feather costume, doing the full-on spirit Eagle dance, about 50 feet off the side of the road. I was going to stop the truck to watch but he was surrounded by school children.

    You can do it right now if you want. It’s good for the quads. But actually, as for doing it right now: not everyone can. Your soul spirit thing has to be halfway in order. You have to be sincere and or authentic, which is where so many people fail.

    For instance Owen Benjamin is a talented piano player; but I haven’t seen him do a sincere song to save his life. His does play classical in a sincere Voice though. He’s not a great classical player, he is pretty good. He is no Chopin.

  36. I have the same question Elk does: But to what end?

    That is, to what end was the assembly of elite military/intelligence children’s and creation of the hippie movement. Manson murders and Jonestown were among the backfires of that project. In the video, the host points to their legacy of interference with cia ops. The entire thing was an experiment in mind control. Alternately, per Yuri Bezemov, this was Soviet-funded subversion.

  37. Steve Sailer once wrote an article about the combination of Northwest European people and the sunny, warm climate of California coming together to create what we think of the 60’s. People from Northwest European countries were not used to the type of weather where you could be outside comfortably all the time. That and the fact that there were so many young people. There was a lot of energy. I don’t doubt the CIA would try to get in on the whole thing, but I don’t think they started it.
    The best music takes quite a bit of technical skill and practice to execute. I imagine it’s hard for an artist to remain emotionally sincere during hours and hours of practice. At some point it becomes work.
    The music our prehistoric ancestors made was maybe similar to what you see from Native American tribes. Just a guess really. Renaissance music can be beautiful, although that came later.

  38. Watching the battle scenes in LOTR you experience unadulterated satisfaction in seeing waves of Orcs fall to the castle defenders’ arrows. Absolutely no pity for them, like there would be, say, pity for the opposing side’s soldiers on WWI’s western front. Orcs represent a humanoid specie that has no redeeming quality when in proximity to humans. They were artificially spawned as cheap infantry, analogously to how globalists had created a population bubble in places from which it’s designed that migrants flood Europe.

  39. It reminds me of the mobs of people outside Berkeley blocking people from hearing Ann Coulter speak. They really are despicable. There is no living peacefully with them. We need separation.

  40. There is one video where an attendee is tricked into giving her ticket to one of the mob. These four African American women are jumping up and down and laughing in her face. It is infuriating.

  41. There’s a good movie (well I liked it) based on a Thomas Pynchon novel called Inherent Vice that captures that 60s California time period, with drugs and CIA schemes all rolled up in a real estate plan. Joaquin Phoenix plays the main lead, does a good job.

    With all these comments I’ve been reading, it reminded me of that film. I’m a fan of that director for numerous reasons, two of which are the long, steady shots he composes as well as the set decoration and wardrobe, which is always on point, especially since he makes period pieces. Same director for that film Phantom Thread. Another good movie.

    RE: LOTR. The one scene that really gets to me is in Return of the King when they finally attack Mordor. The king gives a directed speech, the music starts hitting all the right notes, pull to a ultra wide shot of the army and then they charge. Music picks up, trumpets flare with strength and resolve and then the shot of the orcs that realize “oh shit, they’re not stopping.”

    That entire sequence is moving.

  42. ” ritual used to be a thing. you didn’t just listen to sacred music all the time on your earbuds. it was for special occasions. so the simple fact that music is available all the time (as is sex and drugs) should itself make you suspect of what agenda it serves. are you getting enough entertainment, kiddos?”

    This is an essential problem, already adumbrated in Plato and magnified a thousandfold by technology. Mahler once prophesied there would be festivals dedicated to his symphonies someday–something at least partially realized, in terms of weeklong cycles (he had Bayreuth to think of). But today you can blast Mahler whenever and wherever you like, for as long as you like. A little Mahler companion volume I skimmed in college suggested that the Sixth could be listened to every day, but the 8th only worked on special occasions. Well surely the Sixth is a “special occasion” unto itself! But then there are a number of aesthetic judgments intersecting in such an observation, one being that the Eighth (as this author argued openly) was an exercise in bombast. I don’t agree with that either. But what about, say, Mozart’s Jupiter Symphony? It was, at the time of its composition, the most far-reaching symphony yet composed. It is arguably still the greatest symphony ever written–but what a symphony inherently means is itself redefined in the Romantic movement, so that the kind of artwork Mozart creates seems inherently better suited, by its classic qualities of grace and overarching serenity, to repeated listening.

    In Book 8 of The Republic, describing the fall into democracy and tyranny Socrates reminds his companions that a man who has not been brought up amidst sounds and sights of beauty can be expected to provide nothing good from his soul. But in the earlier treatment of an ideal education, we are cautioned not to allow the soul to go limp, inundated in music, any more than we should allow flabby limbs from lack of exercise. The soul must be tempered to martial things.

    Francis Coppola, echoing (I’m sure unconsciously) Martin Luther, once said that music is the one pleasure we can enjoy without fear of vice. Compared to all the other pleasures, this would seem to be true. G. Wilson Knight, commenting on the advent of modern social dancing on Top of the Pops, shrugged and admitted that it seemed at least superior to masturbation. Surely Pet Sounds or Revolver are far superior still to the sort of dancing that might have provided visual filler to their televised broadcast.

    Coppola, to round this back to Mahler, still dreams of festivals dedicated to his own films. He wanted to create his own Bayreuth, an Overlook Hotel-like mountain luxury retreat where he could hold screenings of his prospective epic adaptation of Goethe’s Elective Affinities, and then in the rooms the television sets would only replay the film. Today, past 80, he is obsessed with “live cinema” and people driving to the theatre to see films broadcast live. I confess I can make no sense of this whim of his, but you can find multiple interviews of him where he carries on in the most rhapsodic manner about this. The idea seems to possess him, like he’s the protagonist of some 70s Werner Herzog film.

  43. That’s a great scene, Mendo.

    What makes it all the more poignant is that the Rohirrim charged against the forces of Darkness out of a sense of duty, honor, and faithfulness to their cause, with little confidence that they could survive.

    Shortly before that battle scene, the king of Rohan was asked by one of his soldiers whether they could defeat the forces of Mordor. The king answered, “No, we cannot. But we will meet them in battle nonetheless.”

    Looking upon the White City besieged by the dark hordes, you can see in the king’s eyes a grim recognition of the overwhelming numbers of the enemy, but also a firm resolve to fight to the bitter end. Before the riders of Rohan launch their charge upon the Dark Army, the king exhorts his cavalry — “Ride now! Ride now! Ride to ruin; and the world’s ending! Death!”

    And the army of Rohan takes up the cry of “Death!” with “one voice loud and terrible” as they charge.

    Yes, that cry can be viewed as the Rohirrim threatening Death to their enemies. But I see it as the men of Rohan strengthening their final resolve and affirming their embrace of Death with honor rather than subjugation or surrender.

    I never get tired of watching that scene.

  44. Rod Sterling and J. Morrison interviewing one another, ‘from twilight to twilight,’ on the potentially philosophic origins of horror fiction, Ivan Illich’s condemnation of the microphone and regimented education, and “insanity’s horse adorning the greater skies.” This happened in an aborted segment of The Night Gallery under the aegis of Sterling, Scottish vodka, and a granite pontoon boat right outside of Nantes.

  45. oh here we go with the deep spook conspiracy potent director fallacy shit again?

    you guys need to get out more.

    as far as Mordor’s forces go, if that infantry did not square up, they would be easily routed by cavalry, especially at that size. Infantry that fails to maintain positional discipline is shattered by cavalry. The King must have not known what he was talking about.

    When I saw the size of the cavalry force, it was clear those Orcs were dogmeat. Especially in the bunched irregular formation they were in. Who tf was their commander? What an idiot. Infantry like that would be totally vulnerable to a basic pincer movement and could be routed by a far smaller force

  46. Trav – That snippet of film doesn’t show the full force of the bad guys—not by a long shot. The cavalry initially wreaks devastation on the Mordor forces, but ultimately would have been wiped out were it not for the unexpected arrival of another army from the sea. King Theoden was correct when he surmised that Rohan’s army could not defeat the forces of Mordor.

    If you haven’t seen the LOTR films, I recommend them.

  47. That scene when Theoden told his soldier that they would meet them (in battle) nonetheless. The look on his soldier’s face was all like Damn! I guess that’s why he’s the King

    In the extended version, the Armies of the Dead sequence was Cringe. It went on for like 10 minutes.

    In that same storyline, and also only in the extended version, the other hostile army which was coming up from the Mouths of the Anduin, the Corsairs or whatever they were called, from which Aragorn and Company seized the ships, was portrayed as Swarthy Whites. Which seemed to be a concession to political correctness: so that at least some of the bad guys were White.

  48. The King’s speech, as “a thing”, became known due to those films, specifically LotR.

    It’s a tradition that makes sense and must have been real. Trump can do it pretty well.

    It was parodied and hilariously in GoT, in one of those post modern self referential things, where one show references the characters in another show.

  49. — Socrates reminds his companions that a man who has not been brought up amidst sounds and sights of beauty can be expected to provide nothing good from his soul. 

    Trees, nature hikes and camping, Saturdays downtown among traditional architecture. Classical music, a clean well ordered home, fit parents, no tv.

    Boys also like the gross and macabre. Such as horror video games. That’s a counterpoint to beauty and satisfies their instinct to fight monsters and to repel effeminacy.

    Unrelated: martial arts and women came up earlier. Women who start early are imprinted with an illusion of parity with men. One, because boys and girls of the same size arent all that far apart in strength. Two, the better female students lack male power but they have great form. Flexibility comes easier to women. Many kick “splits” over their own heads with ease.

    I never kicked very high no matter how much I stretched. That also kept me from being a good 100m hurdler despite my speed and height.

    PS: I’ve been picturing Each Pond Gone as a Jim Morrisonesque chap.

  50. Flexibility comes easier to women. Many kick “splits” over their own heads with ease.

    In Eastern Europe all of them can. Its taught in school. It usually stays with them for well into their lives.

  51. Since the main topic on this post is music, I gotta share a quick story that happened on Tuesday.

    It was raining and out here in SoCal, the rain just makes the dumb much dumber and the dumber essentially wasted space. At least everyone was on their best behavior and took it slow. The clouds had that dark grey hue to them, just letting it all out and giving the afternoon a twilight atmosphere.

    As I got closer to home, I was scanning radio stations and came up Pearl Jam’s Black about a minute into the song. Given the ambiance the rain and clouds were giving, that song took on a different “mood” for me. When I was younger, I had two tower speakers and I loved listening to the intro, when that reverb kicks the song into gear. The speakers had such clarity that it sounded as though the guitar pick was taking place above your head. Great spatial timbre.

    In college, a buddy pointed out the “I know someday you’ll have a beautiful life” part to me and I had never given it much thought, but it was/is such a powerful part of the song–the denouement, if you will–and the pain Vedder imbues when he belts it out just adds that extra touch of angst and sorrow.

    As I’m driving and hearing the song, I just got enveloped with everything. Memories of appreciating the song came back to me and I got to thinking about that album (and references you made about it PA), the whole grunge scene, the pivots that certain songs can create. Pivots meaning how looking back you can see a shift/change in society. Now it might not be because of the song–never is–but how that song or art serves as a mile marker, a thumbtack where we shifted to another mode of living but only after several years can the shift/change appear.

    The last song on that album is Release, which is more about Vedder’s relationship with his dad, whom he grew up thinking was his uncle and vice versa. But it’s also GenX’s relationship with the dwindling father figure. “I’ll wait up in the dark for you to speak to me” It’s Don’t You Forget About Me 90’s cousin.

  52. I quite liked the film. It is one of Stone’s best efforts. It did a great job of capturing the mood, the ambience , and pathos of the 60s. Stone’s films do a better job of portraying life in 60s USA than any other director I can think of. Very accurate. I was there. As far as the bald man’s shadow walking out of the bathroom- I originally interpreted him as Death and was just an interesting flourish that fit in with the whole psychedilic motifs the film was based around. People in those days generally didn’t see the forest for the trees in their search through Luciferianism. It was all based in a very shallow understanding of both Christianity and Luciferianism. Only some of the communist cultural leadership truly understood what they were talking about. The entire Left movement in the 60s was the last communist assault on our society prior to this one. Jim’s father is much more middle America than I had imagined. He struck me as very understanding of his son. As an admiral, he probably had to be a distant father by necessity. I think that is what Jim most lacked in his relationship with his father, was enough personal attention to develop his intellect and morals. Now that I know what I know about the music and film/TV industry, I realize the death shadow was probably something more immediate and specific.

  53. Is it even possible to listen to (and enjoy) music in the car again, after plumpjack’s comment?

    **********************

    There is an uber hipster station in the Twin Cities called the Current. They would like to tell themselves that they are one of the best hipster stations in the country; if that’s actually the case though, it’s a sad commentary: they pretty much mostly suck.

    They have this locally famous girl DJ, and it’s morbidly fascinating listening to her transform into an emotional train wreck, live on air. A self aware post modern irony subtitle to her show might be: How the hipster life didn’t work out and now all I’ve got is this job; which at one time seemed like it mattered

    But the fatigue and disappointment is so much in her voice and on-air mannerisms: And it’s a “sad commentary,” about these our times, and of course more also, her audience. If her audience weren’t sympathetic to her plight, she would be gone.

    [So for in order to include the crucial detail of this here post, I will do the internet research and look up her name: it’s Mary Lucia. She has a blood connection to some famous artist. She is an A-list local celeb.]

  54. This hipster station will play a good Doors track and then brag about it afterwords, with something pretty much exactly like: Yeah we do that. Unironically

    They also have a British-accented DJ, who has much better shows and is on the same level of local celebrity. His name is Mark Wheat and that’s what we call gay —

    Wheat grew up in the small town of Clenchwarton, near King’s Lynn, Norfolk, England, where he dreamed of becoming a radio host while listening to British DJ John Peel.

  55. Mendo, I appreciate you relating that rainy-day peak moment. SoCal is a strange mythical place to me. I’ve been to San Francisco way north a couple of times in the 90s, once transferred at LAX, but that’s it. Pearl Jam’s “Ten” album, along with U2’s “Achtung Baby,” is a masterpiece from the early part of the decade. “Garden” off PJ’s Ten is my go-to obscure song. The guitars and the vocals are pure pathos all the way through.

  56. — Is it even possible to listen to (and enjoy) music in the car again, after plumpjack’s comment?

    It did freeze me in my tracks this morning.

    — I quite liked the film. It is one of Stone’s best efforts.

    Same here. The Doors and Platoon are his best work.

  57. of course I have watched LOTR, man

    the point is that an undisciplined or unaligned infantry would be annihilated by cavalry, even at force levels of 10-20:1 or greater.

    Encirclement or pincer movements were employed throughout history to defeat significantly larger opponent forces, 6:1 and greater, and this is just infantry vs infantry.

    Infantry that did not maintain formation discipline would be very quickly and easily routed. They are no match for the mobility of cavalry nor the pressure of the horses.

    It wouldn’t matter how many orcs were on the field and the scene is consequently inaccurate. If it were accurate from a military perspective, as soon as cavalry of that size showed up on the field, the orcs would need to stage a general retreat or else form a square or other reinforced formation or they would be completely routed. The development of the Phalanx was entirely for this purpose, to repel chariot and other cavalry attacks.

    A cavalry charge would split the orc formation as many times as they desired by riding right through them. I suggest doing some study of cavalry…the Mongols used it to wipe out everyone in their path, as they used horse-mounted archery.

  58. I was in Baltimore a couple of days ago, meeting in an office that required me to walk through a bit of a ghetto, as the parking garage was several blocks from the office I was going to. Not full-Lagos west baltimore, this was closer to downtown. No worries on my end. Just fun-lovin 60 IQ individuals hanging out here and there, a White face or two passing by, almost certainly state or municipal gov employees. Businesses that cater to African Americans, all of those businesses being gook- or muzz-owned. One place had a prominent sign in the front, “no masks or hoodies allowed inside.”

    Driving out of the area later, I noticed how many White beggars there are in Baltimore. Streetcorner panhandling. Young guys, in fact. I was at a red light and saw a dude on that corner. Maybe 23 years old. Face like Kurt Cobain’s, except malnourished. I rolled down my window and pulled out the one dollar bills I had in my wallet. All of them, it was probably seven dollars. I said “Here you go, man.” I refrained from saying the manospherian 14/88ish “brother” as that world have been self indulgent. He thanked me. Full eye contact. His eyes weren’t dead, which is what you see in people who have no hope. Brains blasted by drugs, homothex for twenty bucks, whatever. That guy wasn’t there. His eyes had shame in them, which means that he has life in him.

    This is not new to me, I’ve been coming to Baltimore with friends since high school in the late 80s, walking into strip clubs that don’t card. I’ve seen plenty of White wrecks then too. Still, now I feel the waste of a good White life differently. The guy I gave the seven bucks to had a good face, clear blue eyes. Drugs did what they did, but don’t people have anyone they can turn to, like a grandmother or something. There was another young White beggar on the opposite corner of that intersection.

  59. “— Is it even possible to listen to (and enjoy) music in the car again, after plumpjack’s comment?

    It did freeze me in my tracks this morning.”

    when I was a kid we used to go hunting near a pig farm. at night you could hear the commotion that hundreds (or thousands) of pigs make when crammed into close quarters. over the top of all that, blasting through loud speakers way out in the country, was classical music playing 24/7. apparently it is a common practice. keeps the piggies calm so they’re nice and fat when it’s time to head off to the slaughterhouse.

  60. Oliver Stone is a director whose tendencies are toward the otherworldly. He might be a good fit, therefore, as a director for Stephen King novels. King, after all, writes more otherworldly than pure horror stuff. Whirling space and time, creatures that cannot exist, the inner spaces in a man’s heart that speak to him . . . Oliver Stone can relate to all that.

  61. “The ritual form for this more real sort of music is the shaman dance type thing.”

    I think this is exactly right. and there’s a reason that sort of thing is prohibited by default, pretty much everywhere. Mass participation in that sort of thing, in ritual form, would pull back the veil and reveal modern society for the humanity-crippling sham that it is.

    So we get the staged, mediated, curated, placebo instead. Grammy awards, Oscars, CGI Marvel movies, free fentanyl, free porn, etc. Look kids! Transcendence! You get the illusion of belonging to something bigger, without the harmful side effects.

  62. I still think the hippie movement was inspired, at least in part, as an innate turning away from the peak masculine military expression of mutually assured destruction, fueled by the timely advent of cheap birth control and on-demand fetus-culling.

    the slogans that came out of that time period, “peace and love”, the widespread allusions to sex, etc. all seem rather feminine. all that pent up energy being released (from women AND men) wasn’t the Ghengis Kahn type. it was, at best, the Don Juan type.

    so we have this worldwide, massive social upheaval that swings the ideological pendulum towards the feminine, and all the art and culture going along with (and driving) that. a loosening up of discipline, asceticism, standards, social norms, etc. all very girly. the classics become something to admire in a museum, as opposed to being the benchmarks for a healthy society. war becomes the tool of the queen wasp, an emasculated strike force deployed against her usurping enemies.

    the constant availability of palliatives (passive music listening, as one example) are a tool to keep everyone in constant touch with their feminine side, like those pigs on the farm. can’t we all just get along?! we don’t get to hear the “drums of war” that would truly stir our souls. all by design.

  63. — as an innate turning away from the peak masculine military expression of mutually assured destruction, fueled by the timely advent of cheap birth control and on-demand fetus-culling

    Also fueled by unprecedented material prosperity and economic equality. And the freeing up the boomer youth purchasing power.

    Your analysis is sound. WWII was hell, WWI was in living memory. You get a glimpse of this neglected anti-war point of view in Roger Waters’ music.

    Question remain. Namely, that the hippie movement looks like it was coordinated. So many of its founders had military intelligence background. You could speculate that the deep state jumped ahead of what was organically forming.

    Along with them, unsavory entities such as the Frankfurt School with its susan sontags, along with Soviet subversion. In the latter case the motive for fomenting an effeminate rebellion in the West is obvious.

  64. “You could speculate that the deep state jumped ahead of what was organically forming.”

    that’s an interesting angle. VagDom used to speculate on CH that all individual and collective human behavior is driven by the scarcity or availability of resources, and that we simply vacillate between liberal and conservative depending on how much there is to eat. and that the “leaders” aren’t actually leading ANYTHING. they’re just jumping out in front and waving a baton as the human circus just continues blindly on its path towards a more comfortable state than the present one.

    so perhaps the deep state needed to do something with all the taxpayers’ money and threw some fuel in the hippie fire. if the end goal was to just get people into a more passive state then maybe they were a little bit successful. all they really needed to do was ensure a steady supply of palliatives and human nature takes care of the rest.

  65. Glad he can use the 7 dollars for whatever. I’ve seen fakes in key west. A babyfaced trustafarian pretending to be a homeless vet. If the baltimore guy’s shameful look was his street hustle, so be it.

  66. PA,
    His family likely is not giving him money because they know it will be spent on drugs. If he cleans up his act, he probably has people who will take him back.

  67. Next time it’s PB-and-J and a half-pint of milk. And a 2.5 oz bag of chips but only if he says thank you.

    I made an effort post, not too long ago, about the drunk ass nigger who hit me up on the train (into downtown) for a few bucks, under the cover of the oldest lamest worst story in the book: it might have been the United Negro College Fund; in any case it was something that dated and stupid. If I were the “wit” in real life that might be aspired to be, I coulda said something like: The United Negro College Fund r u serious? The 80s called and they want their hustle back

    Instead I said: Are you asking me for money? to which he repeated his stupid line. It almost escalated and it was a scene.

  68. Not to brag, but I raised my voice at that drunk ass nigger, who wasn’t even my size, and backed him down, and this in front of his fairly good looking 56 percenter bitch.

    I did back off though, enough to let him have his space and so that we didn’t have to fight. Some hardcore White dude with tatts on his neck was right there, looking on in amusement.

    Several females were excited about the drama: Oooh, someone is stepping off script!

    ***************

    Yeah yeah yeah, such behavior is “not becoming.”

  69. I had a black man accost me in front of the zoo this summer and go into some long story about needing a bus ticket to see his sick mother. I stopped him mid story and told him I was not going to give him money. He acted hurt that I would assume he just wanted money.

  70. This following is recommended —

    This is the same guy and the same channel, as was linked and discussed upthread, for his video about Laurel Canyon which was mainly a surmise of MacGowan’s research.

    This video is entirely different: it’s his personal story. It would be worth a long effort post, but the summary is that he was “gang stalked” and then came to Jesus.

    Gang stalked is (apparently) what it’s called when demons in this world act against you.

  71. After watching the first couple hours of this series, I was fairly spooked. Viewer discretion is advised. One of the tenants of this type of thinking, as presented in the video above, is that the demons should be guarded against. I never was gang stalked as he describes, and would like to keep it that way.

    Gang stalked as he describes falls under the broader category of Synchronicity. Our narrator above, recognizes this.

    People are looking for a deeper meaning to their lives. These sorts of experiences are a part of that.

  72. I’m gonna watch that video. I saw a demon once, in my teens. Described it briefly in one of the early blog posts. It was the most terrifying thing I’ve ever seen. Not the visual part, just the air of malevolence around it.

  73. My cousin (not Jewish) put up a link on Facebook to Sacha Baron Cohen’s ADL speech.. I was tempted to comment, but noticed it only had only 4 likes and no comments. I decided to leave well enough alone.

  74. I watched Part 1 of “Stalked by god of this age” and most of Part 2. Will continue watching it later. He is easy on the ears, which is important in a long video. What he says is credible. It’s best to listen without prejudice about mental illness and such. Just listen and take in the information because this is not familiar stuff. Analyse and judge afterwards. “Viewer discretion advised” indeed. That realm is not to be trifled with, even at a remove. You are watched by things that you can’t see and they look for an opening. I’ve prayed twice daily since childhood with lapses in my twenties and I recommend regular prayer as protection.

  75. ” Gang stalked is (apparently) what it’s called when demons in this world act against you. ”

    Not quite, it has a different meaning in the popular culture. Although, he might have adopted it for his own definition.

    ” Gangstalking is an umbrella term describing a series of techniques utilized by a group to instill mental instability within a victim with the intent to discredit, sabotage, harass, extort and even drive a victim to suicide. A victim of gangstalking can have their reputation, credibility, careers, relationships and entire life put into ruins.

    Techniques such as mind games, perception manipulation, organized stalking, covert harassment, constant surveillance and possibly electronic harassment are used to push a victim to mental instability.

    Proving one’s targeting can be very challenging, and there is very little law enforcement support, which allows gangstalking to be extremely effective. “

  76. Yeah, such popular definition and usage would make sense. In any case it’s on ominous sounding phrase; I hadn’t heard of it all.

    **************

    Re Sacha Baron Cohen. As others have pointed out: some jews don’t seem to realize, just how much their gig is up, and how on to them, the smart-set goyim are. Their probably is a generational divide at play in this; on both sides.

    When his first movie came out, people hardly even knew what Kazakhstan was. And while they may still not —> that’s not the point!

    Some of his gigs were funny but they pretty much all relied on taking advantage of people’s good faith.

    One clip from his start, was of him in his Ali G character hanging out in front of a grocery in England, all gangstered out, and approaching middle aged and older White women to sell them “sensay” (sinsemilla strain).

    What if that were your mother?

    The one bit from Borat that was humorous was at the rodeo and sitting in the stands, and he shows that old cowboy pictures of his sweetheart, and she is a fat woman and the pictures eventually include a beaver shot. The old cowboy “got” the joke and it was nothing to him but a laugh.

  77. Another aspect to the guy, Sacha Baron Cohen, is that he’s got quite a face. Clearly he has some strong pirated East Euro Cossack genes or something. He is pretty tall and not a small guy.

    So him approaching middle aged White women to sell them grass, relies on no small bit of physical intimidation. It’s not “all in good fun.”

    His act at the rodeo, in his movie; he knows how far he can push it and yet not get his ass kicked. Those guys, those cowboy people, are famously willing to duke it out. He was extended a lot of courtesy. No more!

  78. “but they pretty much all relied on taking advantage of people’s good faith…. What if that were your mother?”

    And then one day for absolutely no reason…

  79. ” Those guys, those cowboy people, are famously willing to duke it out. ”

    Not to disparage ” good ole boys” and southerners, who are tough and can fight. However, from my experience, these southern gentlemen, who would fight each other and other white guys at a drop of a hat suddenly ” clam ” up when it comes to ” people of color “, mainly nig nogs. Throw a simian in the mix and all you mainly hear from the ” red necks ” is

    ” no need for violence ” or ” we dont want no trouble here ” . Make of it what you will.

  80. I loved it when that California gun store owner almost immediately realized it was him. I think Elk is right, Cohen is going to have a tough time fooling people from now on.

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