Dating

Is it any wonder that I tell men to knock up and marry their nice girlfriends at 17? An aging woman goes on thirty dates with thirty hunks in one weekend, and concludes:

I’m really not interested in getting in a relationship with someone unless it ends up improving the quality of my life. And out of these 30 guys, none of them really matched up to that.

[Link]. The article opens with “Her first scheduled date of the weekend, on Friday morning, actually ended up being her second date because the previous night she had a booty call with another guy.” A question to single or divorced men around her age or older — what would you need from her, in her condition and with her attitude, past a fuck? A baby boy, companionship in older years, Thanksgiving dinners with her extended family and yours… Know what you want and don’t waste your time:

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She will run out her life’s clock with sadness because (assuming that the entire story isn’t empowerment-genre fiction with handsome actorsthose are a few of the men who either aren’t good enough for her, or they’re not buying what she’s selling:

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111 thoughts on “Dating

  1. Speaking of “dating”, you wanna weep, browse through reddit/r/dating, /r/relationships, etc. It’s heartbreaking, and alternately stomach-turning.

  2. I’m impressed at how well cosmetic surgeons are getting at shaving Adam’s apples.

    #islamisrightaboutwomen

  3. I don’t understand the eyebrow obsession. It’s so clowny and always, always, always obviously fake. Even a boob job can look natural enough if you have a good doc (look, but not feel, though), but those painted on black streaks over the eyes, I just don’t understand it.

    I tried a few brow products, to try to up the game a little. I couldn’t get the makeup remover out fast enough. Maybe I’m just a relic.

    The internet is the worst thing to happen to women. Eternal validation of the slutty mind.

    Assuming it’s not kabuki dating theatre (despite the overdone makeup), it’s just another “look at me” plea. A stunt. 30 dates with 30 guys in one weekend? Of course she isn’t going to find even a halfway satisfactory experience. Who even has that kind of time?

    SJ, I read a little on Reddit here and there, mostly forums on flint knapping, bushcraft, and mountain biking. Occasionally I’ll flit about and read a few subs on other topics. Ive never read the dating or relationship subs, but I can gather it’s full of women over-valuing their worth, having trysts and wondering why he won’t call, blasting incels and red pilled guys as misogynist – full stop, no introspection or self-awareness even while expecting it from others, etc. and a broad expectation to never criticize and to always be supportive of each other even when seeing blatant fault.

    The internet is the worst thing to happen to women.

  4. “Is it any wonder that I tell men to knock up and marry their nice girlfriends at 17?”

    This really is good advice. I’d say the majority of my friends who started early are happy. Some settled and are obviously unhappy, but it’s still a good bet that starting young leads to a more fulfilling life.

    “The internet is the worst thing to happen to women.”

    Probably. It’s near limitless options and instant access. Most people (not just broads) can’t resist it. It’s like jooflix. There are a zillion movies. All free. Readily available. And no movie is as good as the trailer for the next movie.

    Prior to about 2015, OLD wasn’t that bad. It required an investment from the broads. They had to cook up a profile. At least make themselves appear appealing. It was significantly more time consuming. As a result, the broads were a little more careful with their time.

    Tinder disrupted all of that. Zero investment. Zero time. Swipe, swipe, match, dopamine hit, swipe swipe.

    And in this clown world, I am
    Glad you’re all my bros.
    FE

  5. @Chak – I mean notwithstanding that the internet is full of gammas, incels, etc., and maybe not representative, the macro picture is that these forums are full of people who don’t know how to healthy relationship, like they literally don’t have any idea what it should look like. Sad!

  6. 30 dates with 30 guys in one weekend

    I have to call BS based on the math alone. 48/30 = 1.6 hrs per date, not including travel time or sleep/personal hygiene.

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  8. “Knock up your high-school sweetheart at 17 and marry her” is excellent advice if you have a sweetheart at 17. I was a kissless sperg at that age; all I knew about girls was the feminist values instilled by my parents. There were no websites to set me straight, and I probably wouldn’t have believed them anyway.

    Once you’re past 18, high-school girls are off limits unless you have prison tats and aren’t afraid to go back inside and get some more. Late-bloomers who miss that crucial high-school dating window need to seek virgin brides overseas. Hopefully I can snag one for my daughter before they’re all gone.

    In ultra-feminist Sweden, something like one-eighth of the native male population has emigrated, and many who remain have imported wives from Thailand.

  9. Government. Price. Controls. The price of pussy is too damn high. Dick, too damn low. (But this is not the correct view because it is not the fundamental view.) Any man that could make a post-carousel rider’s dreams come true in this age of corrupt centralized control on a massive beta-provided scale has more hotter, younger, tighter pussy than he can service for casual sex.

    Look at that post-waller’s face. You cringe at what you know lies underneath. You know it’s hideous, a little or a lot. Imagine what her vagina looks like, no makeup for that. The <25/<60 rule is not my rule. I am life's whisperer. If you can get a well-soiled NWO hand-me-down, you can get better simply by low-mileage freshness. If you can't get such a delightfully youthful hag, you can't get any women worth having, for sex casual or committed.

    As for true causes. Strong men have mating rights. Weak men do not. Our failure is not a bug, it's a feature, a biological filter. Biological fundamentals is the true cause. Go hide in narrative, mental weaklings. I will stare bravely into the abyss and be vigilante for opportunity that may never come. I will make use of my time such as I can. Bring your lying quips. Your rationalizations. Send my astray to suffer more than you. Spew me your right-side isms and false-labeling jizzums. What's it like to run but not hide? To be impotent and flee by farce? No, you have not been had. You could become dangerous to your true enemy. Instead, you're a genius. I am mad. Mad with the fundamentals. Wha-ha-haa! Biology matters. PA's maxim is a deference to biology, including the biology of a woman's mind. Women are vessels that don't get cleaner.

  10. S.J.: “these forums are full of people who don’t know how to healthy relationship…Sad”

    M’kay. Don’t know for lack of doing/experiencing? or don’t know for lack of knowledge to do? (Losing as wealthy instruction is a great lie by omission.) Dateline: The enemy has won. The culture war is over. We CAN’T have healthy relationships with women. There is but one way to change that, and some group of men will always be successful with women for mastery of the same. Propping up exceptions to the disguised rule of male conflict as proof that undangerous men are socially valuable or relevant is a graven image. Is that pity really smugness? Condescension? What is sad? I’d say the current state of Western affairs is a reflection on our collective worth as men, our cultural capacity as men, our lack of knowledge to do, to compete. Maybe you meant something else, but I can’t reckon what that was. Again, I am mad. Sanity in clown world is proof of subhuman excellence I can never be. Scooby-dooby-yea-haw.

  11. “As for true causes. Strong men have mating rights. Weak men do not. Our failure is not a bug, it’s a feature, a biological filter. Biological fundamentals is the true cause.”

    this is precisely what it all boils down to. women CAN’T choose. they are chosen. and when they are not chosen they beg to be chosen.

    and men proper are NOT chosen. they CHOOSE. and the woman merely surrenders.

    we’re dealing with the fallout of the collapse of the beta male patriarchy chose the winners (obedient order followers) and losers (sociopaths). now we’re back to square one which, as Doug correctly points out, is simply that strong men get to breed. period.

    so, again, you need a plundering mindset. go out and be prepared to take what you want. (if you’re doing the online thing you’ve already agreed to let HER do the choosing. aka, l-o-s-e-r)

  12. I call fiction. That woman is very mediocre and the men generally good quality. The women’s media is big on perpetuating Feminist mythology as they are a propaganda arm for the Z-O-G.

  13. not that it matters, but she’s also simply writing her own fantasy.

    I remember a funny line by ch where he said these spinsters go on and on about their impossibly high standards in men, when in reality they’d be lucky to have a guy who doesn’t fall asleep at dinner.

  14. “(if you’re doing the online thing you’ve already agreed to let HER do the choosing. aka, l-o-s-e-r)”

    Exactly! Finally! Maybe there’s hope for the younger guys. Online dating and social media were invented by nerds to keep charming, confident guys away from girls; to mediate between the sexes. It was always the enemy of the real men.

  15. Once you’re past 18, high-school girls are off limits unless you have prison tats and aren’t afraid to go back inside and get some more.

    Prison, or high school?

  16. The “hypergamy” meme has been the most RACIALLY destructive meme of the last five years. Teaming up along side “racism,” self-annihilating {{{white}}} male wiff his pet nig launched the most successful-to-date viral campaign to deviously LOWER white female sexual standards AND knowingly compromise her “selection“ success. Contrary to the “virtual reality” that is the delusion of the male sexual liberationist, modern “white” female HAS NO STANDARDS at all, by definition. But on the ground and where “diversity is our strength,” things are ugly and dysgenic, mahomes, notwithstanding. White females are batting DOWN all over the place and the psychological scars of “equality” won’t sexually ripen for years to come.

    Damn…

    IF ONLY white females were “afflicted” with hypergamic tendency.

  17. “Eye, no!”

    “Hypergamy” just memes females “batting up” situationally and parasitically.

    With a “success”-assuming Cuck World as irreplaceable “foundation.”

  18. Lone wolf don’t lead pack…

    Alpha dog can’t lead viral campaign…

    Both in real world and virtual “reality,” biomass plus hand-me-tech equal blunt global force (F=ma).

    Desire for racial Supremacy is a localized affair within a near certain perception of chaos in Creation.

    How any one white man goes about in ensuring his legacy just is the matter of individual choice in this time of “radical autonomy.”

    Politicized miscegenation isn’t the stuff of lone wolves or Alpha dogs though.

  19. Women can play: “which one’s the hottest” in that collage of men. For us, it’s “which one’s the coolest.” My pick is the blondish guy with the zipped-up jacket. That’s also the closest to my look, though my hair is a shade darker.

    The young fellow [cougar hunter!] with the dog in the photo looks like a good guy but like all young men, needs steeling his character. Excellent raw material there.. The dude in the baseball cap has that “I could do something fun outdoors with him” kinda unpretentious look. One or two of those narrow-faced, dark haired guys look too metrosexual for my liking.

  20. I have to agree with c matt, it is not feasible to do so many dates in such a short period of time. This is a “sour grapes” post. Still, hypergamy is not a factor. No man is going to satisfy this women. She will find fault with all of them.

  21. Prison. When society cracks down on male sexuality while letting the girls go wild, petty criminals get all the young poosy. Half my daughter’s rural white classmates have daddies in prison — that’s some serious dysgenics. Girls won’t even hold out for criminals smart enough not to get caught!

  22. The hag is not finding fault with men as much as she is maintaining the air of an untouchable 20-something superiority. They all do it. Narrative is life for them. I can’t look at a woman and not be disgusted about her mind, even the young hotties. What liberated woman is not disgusting? She’s a mental mess before she has her first period anymore. Scottie, one to beam up.

  23. @ Dr. M’s hilarious handle:

    “I’m impressed at how well cosmetic surgeons are getting at shaving Adam’s apples.”

    Agreed. Blake Lively’s even manlier sister?

  24. I went and read the Daily Mail article that this post is derived from and it reminded me of something I became aware of as a teenager. Women love to reject men and any excuse, no matter how flimsy, will do.
    As for her conclusion that she did wanted only a man that would improve her life, it sounds like textbook solipsism. She is going to be single for the rest of her life.

  25. Women can play: “which one’s the hottest” in that collage of men. For us, it’s “which one’s the coolest”.

    Yes, that’s it. I’m nearly positive that I told this story before, that I used to try and guess who the hot guys were supposed to be on HotorNot, because I’m nearly positive that Elk responded to that comment. Anyway you’re right, as a quite younger man, I am sure I used to pick based on who looked “cool” rather than who looked classically handsome.

    As for these cats, I also like doggo guy, there’s something about him that carries an air of likeable masculine confidence without being a loathesome dick. As for most classically attractive, I would have guessed upper-right as well as black-tie guy, but it’s very difficult to tell without having a look at the all-important eye:

  26. I think she wants a good looking, cool sugar daddy who asks nothing of her but fun times and good sex. She’s living a fantasy.

  27. Women get very practical in their mid to late 20’s. I understand why, but it certainly doesn’t add to their sex appeal.

  28. It probably more or less happened as descibed in the article: many dates over the weekend, good looking younger chads with their shit together, little interest on her part in any of them.

    But what’s left unsaid, as others noted in the comments above: there was little spark because those guys showed no interest in her. They agreed to the date because reasons: easy-lay older broad; thirst; long in the tooth but their type in her profile photo. Whatever the reason, they simply werent motivated enough to be charming once they actually met. Her attitude may not have been good (look at that bitter permaface). She was rushing through her schedule. So of course, she came away with an editorial angle of “my standards are high.” And so you have this ageing-feminist self flattery article.

    One of Heartiste’s first political posts was his look into a Salon writer’s piece about how she only dates black men because they are, according to her experiences on recent dates, very charming in contrast with her listless White dates.

    [Remember when it mattered what Salon publishes because those liberal leaning outlets still carried the status of being an intellectual repository of common culture?]

    A vocal black commenter gloated heavily. So CH took a gander at that Salon article. Turns out that the “journalist” is a fiftyish, heavyset yenta with a butch face and close-cropped hair. Which explains why her thirsty (for white ass) black dates were so motivated during her dates while her White dates were either the dregs of the male dating pool or unmotivated by what they’re stuck with.

  29. Blacks will take a pride in being able to get it up for those skanks. They take a pride in being “sex athletes” which phrase is probably not the one that they would use.

    Is it a mark of virility, to be able to get it up for anything that moves?

    Genghis ‘big daddy’ Khan had specialty troops, trusted servants, who would screen his conquest women for him. Literally these troops would sleep with the women-in-question (and not fuck them) for a night, to make sure that their olfactory emittances were w/i an acceptable range. So goes the history anyways.

  30. @PA
    lol. I vaguely remember that article. And yes- that explains a lot. One other thing: she looks fucking nothing like her photos. I googled her to see how old she was and came across her instaho. Not one photo is a truthful representation of her. You really gotta stretch the imagination to see any semblance of the real happy hour martini-lined, stringy-haired face she really wears.

    I think chicks use these filters so often a lot of them believe THAT’s who they really are. And the kicker- they’re offended when guys do it. She was bitterly complaining about one dude who “didn’t look like his photos.” Zero accountability from her.

    Reminds me of a (lawyer, of course) 32 yo broad I met about 2 weeks ago. I was ramping things up physically (it was late at a wine bar), she grabbed me and said- let’s take a selfie. I was like I don’t take selfies, but whatever ok. Immediately – she said ok now the filter. I was like wtf. I don’t need any filter. She just said- yeah it’s for me.

    I think they do this junk so often and so automatically it becomes second nature. But they’re shocked and offended by it when dudes play the same game. lol
    FE

    tldr;
    All these guys were expecting a substantially younger, better looking version of this broad, based on her instaho.

  31. Health, 3d6 attribute. Possessed both by men and women of all ages. Varies over time and not easy to define, but our eyes ears and noses know what it is and who has it.

    The pictured bitchface skank. What’s her 3d6 health score? Her coloring is awful. And the anxiety and bitchiness in someone’s face, usually counter indicates health and happiness. Her 3d6 health score is average at best.

    Contrast that to the 3d6 health attribute score, for the pictured men.

  32. FE- you’re hitting so many nails on the head here.

    I OLD a lot. Same. Bitches when they show up not like I wanted, they get Plan B Trav. They don’t understand that. The 40yo said she wanted “romance” as opposed to just physical because when I saw the excess bodyweight I said to myself, I’m only here for one thing from this bitch and that’s to see if I can get her out of her clothes. More like puzzle solving than any real sexual attraction.

    Ironically, the Bengali chick was using Tinder and admits to such, as an ego boost. Feeling bored, lonely, need validation? Tinder does it. Immediate blizzard of men interested in you. I rose above noise level because I called her out as a bitch and I actually voice called her instead of pure texting. Voice is always better but you have to be well-worded.

    There’ve been times on OLDs that I have simply literally turned off the charm switch. It’s like you can feel the air let out of the room. If I’m not getting what I want, why should I provide fuckin entertainment to a bitch I have no interest in? One time I asked this woman on a date “why are you still here?” They think I’m “mad.” It’s not an experience they’re used to and it unsettles them.

    ALL the older women use filters. All. They’re pretending to be who they wish they still were.

    The guys in the OP article were far younger than she or, more accurately, far younger than she should be dating. She’s still picking the guys her 22yo self would be attracted to. This is really the cancer of OLD is that it puts a woman’s choice around something that is effectively irrelevant to her.

    It’s how I land chicks who are less than half my age. First I lie about my age lol. Second, in person I am interesting. A 35yo dude to a 35yo chick is simply not going to be interesting. Women want to be in the presence of someone who just makes them feel good and seriously if you are clever and witty and tell good stories, they won’t actually TALK MUCH. They’re running their mouths half of their lives or more out of boredom.

    You wanna try to be like Bill in Kill Bill2 where he’s telling her the story while alternating to playing his flute out in front of that campfire. She’s riveted and says next to nothing. This is the proper state of a woman in the presence of a man- enthralled.

  33. It’s hard to tell how much of it is an act to promote her career and how much is really her. She is obviously high energy and bright, but a bit too much. She claims she is not Jewish but wishes she was. Since she looks Jewish, I suspect she likely is.

  34. Interesting commentary from Trav on problem solving an non-attractive female. I would go out sarging, alone, and often the target abundance was paltry or worse. I thought I had grown in skill, inner game. I tried to hit on ‘cute’ fat chicks, women who were repulsive but almost pleasantly ‘cute’ for good completion and proportions. I just could not perform. Maybe they were just incredibly cynical about my interest. Some ugly women are real bitter. But I think the main cause for the fast fails was that they could read my disgust or at least disinterest. I thought I was doing the usual. Probably there were subtle cues they couldn’t see that I can’t feel I’m exposing. I learned that attraction matters. Practice on ugly women didn’t help me. Platonic socializing, that’s fine. Trying to stimulate romantic chemistry, I have doubts that it’s even possible. The CH rule about a hot chick making an old man’s non-working penis work well, I wonder if that’s true. On the flip side, I’ve felt turned off by relative inadequacy. I bet most men feel that way. Now that I believe women are all mentally fugly, hot does not intimidate me. That’s not to say I approach or assume the sale. On the contrary. The golden age of PUA is long over. The corrupt centralization of power is extreme and tenuous. Until the day innumerable women will compete for a minuscule pool of men. You’re either in it or you are not. Being realistic is important for time and effort management. I got as far as I could and the environment has only gotten more hostile and unrewarding. Choose your path. Take your shot. That all a man can do these days. There is no way to guarantee success in life, especially on the cusp of this decline terminus. Men with such promises are nefarious liars.

  35. I never take women seriously. But I think Lara has nailed the nature of our Exhibit A. I take ideas seriously. That’s a lot of pithy RP. A man could have written her last three comments, and yet there is the sense of taking one to know one, woman knowing woman. Sometimes women plainly express their intuition informed by heightened empathy and theory of the mind. Just don’t go trusting a woman you don’t control. I’m not even sure any men should be trusted IRL. Depends on your life I imagine, but it can’t break into double digits over a life time under these circumstances. Credit where credit is due. I thought Lara’s last three comments were very intuitively insightful. I think the analysis on Exhibit A is complete. Confirmed yet again: Billy Graham rule and the <60/<25 rule. Knocking up a peer high school chick for marriage 2.0 is a risk, but if one must risk marriage 2.0, that's how to do it. Personal power is always the right goal. Powerful men get sex and children. Men age like wine. No man with power is too old. Back to my long shot at best. Rant off.

  36. Thanksgiving dinner with extended family…

    I’m hosting this year, but no one will come. My wealthy brother and his wife have Thanksgiving and Christmas on lockdown. They have the room and money, though. So it will be us, and.

    My parents, my sister and her child, won’t be with us, they’ve said so. Last year at Thanksgiving, my brother’s Hindian neighbors were honored guests, and no one dared serve them anything containing forbidden Hindu foods. Wow, much woke. It was so fucking uncomfortable.

    I’m an idiot and maybe that’s all I need to be. I never fulfilled any of the objectives my good start said I should. I’m neither a doctor nor lawyer nor anything.

  37. Life can be a real drag. I know that feeling. I went to an AA noon meeting today and walked out after five minutes. All these people with their endless problems and worn tired faces. Who needs em, right?

    Hindian neighbors at Thanksgiving? Wow that is over the top. We once had a cousin, this was a boomer lady, who brought a black “date” to Thanksgiving table. I actually had words with him, at table.

    He asked what I was doing, in the sense of what I was doing with my life. I have always been lost at sea, such is my fate (maybe more so then than now). In any case I replied something honest to the effect of that I was not sure, or that I was drifting, and he said something admonishing-like.

    I would be a better story if I could recall the exchange in more explicit detail, but it was 20 years ago. But the nerve of that guy, to give my any grief at all, at my father’s house. But I responded forcefully, something very close to like Take your own advice

    It was a minor scene, in which I came off looking ok. But the irony of it is that he had a point. Life is about achieving things. Right?

  38. I often feel that I have given up on life. Everyone gets old, eventually. If you don’t have your own family, as a motivating factor, it’s like jeez, what is the point, how is it possibly worth the pain and suffering.

    Work until you die, for the pleasure of being a cog in the wheel of industrial society?

    I don’t necessarily feel bad about not achieving much in the way of traditional accomplishment, as in “doctor lawyer Indian chief”. I think I coulda been a reasonably accomplished craftsman and or farmer, had I taken to those things at a younger age. I pursue various permutations of those things now, but it’s just a way to pass the time.

    I fantasize (or used to) about being a great artist. But later have come to realize that that requires a coherent culture in which art is expressed, as a collective wish and aspiration.

    There’s definitely a want and need for art and culture. Music and theatre and blah blah blah. All aspects of it; except food culture; enough of that already.

    And anything else but another standup comedian.

    Any anything anything else but another writer.

  39. Speaking of standup comedy. There is a new “brave new” DR RP — that’s the new acronym of Dissident Right Red Pill — who is the top dog.

    As with what’s-her-name Billie ‘shouda been a redditor’ Eilish, being the one and only most famous young female-ish pop singer — as with her being that, this guy is the one and only top dog in the new comedy.

    I can’t remember his name right now, but it’s on youtube. And no I am not being sarcastic about his merits and talent. He is that good. He is better than Chapelle times a thousand, and here’s the thing. He’s White.

    He’s actually American but role plays onstage as a Brit. Part of his very post modern identity crisis act. Very meta, very intelligent. I will look up his name and post a link, in a few minutes.

    The other question about him though, is that he doesn’t actually go all the way in his red pill presentation. It just seems like that in comparison to everything else. He’s totally in the know, it’s obv, but he constrains what he says because he’s talking to a somewhat mixed audience, in London!

    So the question comes up, of how much he is allowed, as controlled opposition.

  40. @Elk
    Deep topic. It’s a simple statement but difficult concept to grasp: different things make different people happy. Being adrift is no good. It’s not your “fate.” That’s on you. But it’s also possible no one ever told you that you need to examine yourself and what you want out of life.

    Really think about what your values are- then try to live a life consistent to that. AA has seemingly been a good thing for you, and it sounds like you connect easily with other guys in your situation. Maybe you’d like to help other men get and stay sober who are in a similar station in life? Who knows.

    On achievement- again, depends. Guys like Trav and I obviously like building something and working for ourselves. I look at the work I do at the end of each day, and I’m happy about it. Being a lazy fuck would make me miserable. But I’m not every guy. I have an acquaintance who is basically a house-husband. Fuck that would make me miserable, but he seems happy. Will probably outlive me.. lol.

    One of my best friends is UHNW. Legit rich by anyone’s definition. Sold his company when we were 29 . He’s not that happy. Claims he was happiest when he was fighting every day to get his company off the ground (and running around with our crew on the weekends chasing tail.)

    So there ya go. Different strokes and all that. But you do need to evaluate who you are and what your values are.
    Hope that helps.
    FE

  41. Ok, Elk

    It’s all over now except for the tears. And then the laughter after that. And then the relief. And then the joy. And then the resignation. And then penultimately the renunciation. And then after that and at last, the far green field about which Gandalf explains. And then after that the afterlife. And then the cosmic bang and it’s back to the beginning but what w/ a twist?

    That’s what they’re telling us now, to expect. How would they know though, right?

  42. Will Franken | Comedy Unleashed

    This particular recording of the show, has dubious sound quality, but is redeemed in its shots of the audience and one particular member.

    I hadn’t heard about Will Franken, but this is how he is. His accents and character voices are “brilliant” or whatever. I don’t like using that word because it’s a cliche, but there it is. I think he’s from Middle America.

  43. And so this. This.

    This. Is how it’s done. Will Franken, on his Journey, which will lead us.

    Will Franken (www.willfranken.com — you don’t need to click that, that’s where you are now) was brought up to believe that a person needed only two things to get by in life: A human form and the means by which to operate that human form; i.e., life itself. By the time he was born, he already had those two things he needed to get by in life. A body and a life. “You’ve got to have life to get by in life”, so says the song. Is that a song? Okay, I’m done with this paragraph.

    A brilliant and hilarious youngster with a penchant for psychedelic drugs, Franken (me) fled his native Sedalia, Missouri, after receiving a Masters in Literature (with a focus on Restoration and 18th Century British) to seek his (my) fame and fortune in New York City. Instead, he found bagels and the Mets. The Mets had fame and fortune already; but that wasn’t enough for Franken, who wanted his own.

    Franken’s Big Apple existence was marked by highs and lows, from nailing a lucrative gig as the mascot of online library Questia, (look up “Question Marquis” on YouTube) to teaching social studies and English at a middle school in Harlem. He was a fixture in New York’s Greenwich Village’s alternative theatre scene and spent his last years in that metropolis doing voiceover and on-camera work for such products as Heineken, Sprint, and Volkswagen.

    Franken came to San Francisco from New York by way of North Carolina — continuously running from himself in the middle of the night, lest he be run over. He was embraced by the San Francisco people of San Francisco as one of their own San Francisco people of San Francisco. This paid off immensely as he quickly built a solid reputation as one of San Francisco’s most original comedic acts. San Francisco.

    San Francisco.

    San Francisco. He established himself as a cult figure and, instead of making his fans and followers kill themselves, he elected to let them live and was consequently selected “Best Comedian” by SF Weekly and “Best Alternative to Psychedelic Drugs” by the San Francisco Bay Guardian.

    It goes on for awhile. With more of the same. And eventually we find ourselves. Here. At this point, being (or not), and in time. On time.

    On time, and waiting. Waiting, waiting, waiting. Waiting, for what?

    And still, here we are. Waiting for something. Something new, something new different, anything will do. If you want something.

  44. ” I’m an idiot and maybe that’s all I need to be. I never fulfilled any of the objectives my good start said I should. I’m neither a doctor nor lawyer nor anything. ”

    So ? Lawyers are professional liars and a large majority of US doctors are only in it for the money and prestige. Also, based on the US medical malpractice statistics, they aren’t that good. Unless you really loved medicine and helping people, you haven’t missed out on anything. The glorification of doctors in the US is an intentional myth ((( $ ))) perpetuated for a multitude of reasons. Although, they have to be more intelligent / motivated then the average
    ” joe ” they’re not that special. In fact, tiny Cuba has 25 medical schools from which 11 000 doctors graduate annually.

    Cheer up. you life has meaning.

    http://www.samj.org.za/index.php/samj/article/view/7323/5357

  45. ” Life is about achieving things. Right? ”

    I think its more about awareness, acceptance, enlightenment. In that order.

  46. ” So the question comes up, of how much he is allowed, as controlled opposition. ”

    You would be shocked.

  47. Lawyers are professional liars and a large majority of US doctors are only in it for the money and prestige. Also, based on the US medical malpractice statistics, they aren’t that good. Unless you really loved medicine and helping people, you haven’t missed out on anything. The glorification of doctors in the US is an intentional myth ((( $ ))) perpetuated for a multitude of reasons. Although, they have to be more intelligent / motivated then the average
    ” joe ” they’re not that special.

    Doctors: the most over-rated ants in the whole colony.

    Lawyers on the other hand, get a bad rap.

    ****************

    The theme of over esteemed doctors was treated in Sopranos, very, uh, shall we say cuttingly, across several seasons and storylines. The most pronounced was Dr Kennedy who was Junior’s oncologist. His arrogance and malpractice was blatant and insufferable and ultimately gotten away with (at least the malpractice), in the OR and in his consults.

    On the personal I have humble bragged many times about how many high school friends and more accurately acquaintances have gone on to be doctors. The milieu in which I grew up was better than average. In my exact hs class, of the 150 or so students in my broader circle, I would count out five or six or seven doctors. Two of whom have remarkable online resumes, if the internet is to be believed.

    I can make an accurate estimate of their iq’s: 120 to 140: which to be fair is pretty high. My criticism of them as doctors though, is in accordance w/ Amon Ra’s post, that they were not motivated by a passion for the field itself: not the biological science of medicine and nor for the love of their fellow human beings and wanting to ease their pains and passages. They would have been motivated 99.99999995 per cent by the status of the job title and for that reason alone. / not that there’s anything wrong with that?

    Is it typical for high achievers to be motivated to THAT extent, by status?

    I don’t think it is. In my opinion more better real high achievers have a Passion for their endeavors and for their field of accomplishment. As opposed to doctors, who get treated “like rock stars.”

  48. The more I think about it, the best men tend to marry relatively young. All the men I can think of who I would consider top notch were married before age 30. Often times it’s even closer to age 25. Many of them end up marrying their high school or college girlfriend.

  49. The more I think about it, the best men tend to marry relatively young.

    Nice!

    What was it you were saying the other day, Lara, about Whites having enough babies. Am I misremembering that statement or not? I know some others called it out.

    Did you ever respond to their criticism on that point; was that an accurate statement of your opinion and do you hold by it?

  50. Ok, Elk

    If you don’t want other commenters to go off from your woe-is-me posts, just ask!

    Perhaps they would honor such request and perhaps not. It’s one of those things that you can’t control, like in the Serenity Prayer.

    Alternately you can respond with snark. As you know I like drama too; it passes for love in this life.

  51. Is it typical for high achievers to be motivated to THAT extent, by status?

    In my experience, YES, but then again I am a doctor, so that’s the crowd I know.

    P.S. you are justified in disdaining doctors, I personally loathe most of them.

  52. @elk, ye emotional attachment worked by thousands upon thousands of exquisitely adapted parasites, does it hurt? You are soooooo close to entering the philosophy of letting humanity separate from your personal identity, but not really. I understand Stephan Molyneux had a similar moment of doubt/clarity, but he passed through it smartly and remained the same steadfast Stephan Molyneux of Saint Connectiholic we all know and love.

    Dolls and batteries not included:
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/xMmLHCDyesE/

  53. does it hurt?

    The short answer is yes; the longer answer is as follows —

    I find myself unable to escape my emotional attachments; or rather, unable to stop searching for those same. Essentially looking for and usually not finding, meaningful interactions with other people, on the internet and or in real life, needing to be around them.

    Such seeking and or not finding, for human interaction and attention, is fairly typical of the human condition, I would say. EO Wilson describes us as eusocial, which is just a fancy way of saying very social (his paraphrase).

    In other words, it hurts to be alone. It’s not natural to be alone. That’s one of the most difficult things about this modern world, scaled out as it is. A lot of people suffering from loneliness and isolation.

    That condition of not being closely connected to a community of people, family friends neighbors coworkers, and just all around familiar strangers — that condition of isolation should be easy enough to quantify. What percentage of people describe themselves as such, for starters. Do you?

    I make considerable effort to overcome this condition, but struggle to do so and generally fail.

    It’s hard nigh impossible, to evaluate the extent to which my own “mental health” is part of the problem, and to what extent said mental health is a reflection of the scaled out and dysfunctional society that we suffer under.

    I guess people will suffer through life as they do and always have. The old English aphorism about living a life of quiet desperation, is a quaint cliche. Pink Floyd has some great lyrics on this theme, if you like boomer rock.

  54. Is it possible to overcome our own need to be part of the herd, our need to feel connected to each other?

    Is it possible to be connected to the herd, and at the same time a grown man and un-mated??

    This second question, is sort of a larger question that, to my reading, gets to the onion of it.

    ******************

    The first question though, has been treated at length. My reading of Nietzsche is limited, but anyone will tell you that he talks a lot about this stuff. Dostoyevsky certainly did, particularly in Crime and Punishment.

    A man in good conscience, cannot be separated from his people. And if he thinks he can, he will drive himself mad. For some reason, in that place and time, which is to say the 19th century or whenever approximately the old days, these same ideas were fashionable. That men were supposed to overcome their human needs to be part of the herd and all that that entails, which is a lot of conformity; to overcome those needs: and be supermen and psychopaths.

    Sound familiar? It should. CH in the early days for chrissakes, advocated psychopathy. Matt King, curse him for his pro-circ idiocy, was a relentless and righteous critic on this point though.

    *********************

    I think that a good way to modernize some of these questions, or in any case what has been helpful to me personally, is to consider such human neediness in terms of the reality of being yet just another domesticated dog.

    No, tough guy, you’re not delusional idiot Bronze Age Pervert hero aka some Conan; you’re just another domesticated dog.

    Domestication. Neoteny. K-selection. Pro-social. Agreeable. “Nice”. Smiling. Take your pick. Smile. Be friendly, be social.

    Yeah of course that’s a lot of just growing old, and no longer being a young tough, a rebel.

    Stages of life, man: we all get to go through them.

  55. “Domestication. Neoteny. K-selection. Pro-social. Agreeable. “Nice”. Smiling. Take your pick. Smile. Be friendly, be social.”

    I was just watching an 80s music video of a nice song. The video is the epitome of romance. Female singer. My idle thoughts were that, when identifying with the male lead in the video, the story gains so much more when you openly [in your mind] confess to the atrocities this male lead is potentially capable of when pushed by the cruelties of history and set-free under the right circumstances. Scenes out of a madhouse butcher shop flash through one’s mind, vivid visions of scores being settled. But then your mind’s camera rapidly pulls back to the sentimental scenes in the song’s romantic video. You see an idealized version of yourself in this video’s young man and compartmentalize the butcher shop nightmare as a layer that is there.

  56. “All these people with their endless problems and worn tired faces. Who needs em, right?”

    I’m in a similar place. I’m told it’s a dangerous place to be. I’m told that when a guy starts criticizing(?) others and using them as an excuse not to show up, that he is close to going out or picking up. But I don’t want to be around them, so now what?

  57. Yes, I stand by my statement that more than enough white children are being born every year. PA even said something similar.

  58. ” Yes, I stand by my statement that more than enough white children are being born every year. ”

    You’re not a fan of reality, are you ?

  59. “…the butcher shop nightmare as a layer that is there.”

    My go-to butcher in the far North used to wear layers of Turkish olive oil in her greying ponytail, which swayed stalwartly below her fecund calves as she chopped up the tasty monsters on the post-midnight shift. She used to graciously whistle The Zombies’ “She’s Not There” to curious onlookers gathered outside the open kitchen blinds as she handed me the fresh spoils as the dawn limped with a dapper goat’s-gallop and bashful buoyancy through the grease-navel’d skylight and onto her slabberingly cranberrying grin. My current butcher went to her funeral in camouflage nylons that my deaf aunt loaned her. She later told me it was sobering as she sipped ginger teas and taciturnly did lines on my patio.

  60. Yes, I stand by my statement that more than enough white children are being born every year. PA even said something similar.

    Whites are 8 per cent or the world’s population. Is that a good amount for them to be, would you say, Lara?

    *************************

    I’d like to see less people in the world overall, and a larger percentage of those people to be White. Maybe do an effort post on it later, but it’s a simple enough concept. In my opinion it is absolutely essential that our politics be global in scale. There is no escaping this reality.

    That’s where the inflection point of power, be, is at the global scale. Someone is going to be in charge. Perhaps at those levels some sort of balance of power can be allowed for; but if history and or reality is any guide, nefarious underhanded groups get at the levers, at those levels, via banking and media for instance.

  61. There is plenty of under-(say)-20 year old Whites in the world and in each respective nation. I used to tell despairing black pillers and gleeful shills that in terms of raw numbers we’re fine.

    What is not right, is the global population bubble of dark-bodied people, who are adapted for culling to keep their numbers stable. And those people’s desire to live in our places.

    Among Whites, there is also the matter of an unbalanced age pyramid to be addressed, along with the need to direct more of us away from useless occupations and toward useful ones. Too many people go to college.

  62. The notion that Africa should be let to breed into the Billions is a bad idea. Don’t we even care about the animals anymore?

    If humans are going to live on this planet for the long term future, it has to be managed, planet wide. And we want fresh water and lots of different types of animals. This is obvious reality 101.

    There’s no retreating into our nice little Shire. There’s no company of Rangers and Council of the Wise looking out for the wide world. The world has to be managed, on a global scale.

    Without such picture, White politics is fantasy land, and utterly pointless.

    Perhaps as pointless as caring what a woman “thinks.” (but perhaps not, as pointless as that)

  63. so, I got a buddy, my age, he was a partner at EY. Just got fired. Gave him to the end of the year, severance and all that.

    It’s kind of an existential crisis for him. I feel for people like that. I get fired all the fuckin time, just happened again over something I didn’t even actually do…no questions asked, they just shut my access off one morning then at 9a sharp comes the call from the staffing intermediary.

    Oh well, next. I mean it sucks, but wtf am I gonna do, crawl into a shell and die? Not the first time I’ve been looking for a job, ya know? Meanwhile my bud hasn’t been able to sleep, eat, focus, do pretty much anything. Says it’s dominating his thoughts 24×7. Has lost 20+ lbs from not eating. I think I’ve lost 1 lb lol.

    If you pile up all the shit that’s happened to me just in the past few years, it’d be enough to make someone go insane or on a shooting spree. Conviction of a crime I didn’t commit, an absolutely asinine revocation of my clearance on the literal day I got the most cherry gig imaginable paying 114/hr to start (required that clearance). Job offers revoked, so much shit coming across my inbox needing that clearance. And because of circumstances that are so wildly improbable it’s not believable even as a movie script, I’m fucked out of them.

    with respect to that I’m in a catch .22 in the literal sense…and no way out of it. So I just keep plugging. One time I got fired and I said to my ex, I’m just gonna put one foot in front of another and keep pushing forward. She got immediately wet…bc that’s what a man does. She told me that.

    You lost this pot, you don’t fold and leave the table and go cry, you keep fighting.

    whatever’s going on in your life shit could be a lot worse and you have to have context. You’re a prisoner of a cell you built. If you don’t like how things are, CHANGE THEM. some people, like this chick I fucked a couple years ago, get MS diagnoses with a 5-10 years to live prognosis. I mean…I have a grandson coming, so what if the market moves i made lost me $30k, the previous ones I did made me 50. I’ll do it again. Life doesn’t stop people.

    If you’re in a rut, fucking climb out of it. This is one thing that the jiu jitsu can teach you about life is that when you quit, you lose. As long as you show heart and keep fighting, you have a chance and even if you fail, you showed courage, determination, heart, and these are things people respect even in those who lose. Don’t be afraid to pack up and move somewhere else…if where you are isn’t working, CHANGE where you are.

    Men need to fight. Because fighting teaches you lessons about yourself. Combat sports are good for you. Fighting teaches you that you can be the last man standing even if because everyone else sat down and you didn’t. Win, lose, whatever, die trying, but do it with honor and panache, the universe or God or whoever will sort the rest of it out.

  64. Emotional when you should be logical, logical when you should be emotional. I have no problems with salvaging myself psychologically and socially by quarantine. I’d rather be alone than with a mental disease vector. Inner game is not optional manhood. Self-determinism is not optional manhood. And I have yet to peruse so many more comments above this one. What the hell. *post*

  65. Good comment Trav. I twice made a big move to avert what at the time looked like a lifelong rut. First, in my early 20s I went into active duty Army for a couple of years (I was already a trained reservist, having enlisted for Basic Training while still in high school). The second time was in my late 20s when I moved to seek and find fortune in Boston. That’s when I finally caught good winds.

  66. Emotional when you should be logical, logical when you should be emotional.

    Can you be more specific?

    I’d rather be alone than with a mental disease vector.

    To me this indicates a weak character: a character that is not able to support others, is no character at all.

    Pretty much everyone is quote unquote sick aka the walking wounded. If for whatever reasons you “need” to only be around those are show no signs of sickness? good luck with that.

    Inner game is not optional manhood. Self-determinism is not optional manhood.

    These statements are not clear to me. More specifically, I might agree with the first one, if I am reading your intent correctly; but self-determinism, is what?

    No one exists in a vacuum. A man’s journey is from childhood, to some liminal phase, to manhood. In psychological speak the progression in dependence —> independence —> interdependence.

    Where are you along that progression, Doug?

    I would place my self as fairly enough at the second stage, and fully ensconced. I am fifty years old, and have been in such position for not long, and have received a lot of help along the way.

    People talking about not needing others, is childish. Or more accurately juvenile, adolescent. Liminal, as some trendies might put it.

    Doug’s comments can be difficult to make sense of. But as long as they presented in paragraph form, will read.

  67. “Fighting teaches you that you can be the last man standing even if because everyone else sat down and you didn’t.”

    being the “last man standing” is as good a reason to live as any. just to see if you can be that fucking guy who never quits. Darwin-approved ideology right there.

    Also, do it for the lulz. push yourself past your limits, push everyone around you past their limits, push the whole world PAST what it THINKS are it’s limits, and then push some more.

    then sit back and have good laugh at the ridiculousness of it all. to take things too seriously is to fall. survival is the game that’s not a game. you win by being the top, most-competitive dog who laughs his ass off the whole time.

    (I like to think of Trump this way. that he’s doing it all for the lulz, completely zfg. if he gets to push the button on his enemies at the end of it all then that’s a bonus.)

    “…I have a grandson coming, so what if the market moves i made lost me $30k, the previous ones I did made me 50. I’ll do it again. Life doesn’t stop people.”

  68. ” I used to tell despairing black pillers and gleeful shills that in terms of raw numbers we’re fine. ”

    Unfortunately PA, this isn’t black pill territory. Yes, if huwhytes will be happy living in Brazil style enclaves, as extreme minorities, then yes, they’ll be “fine”. However, besides the demographic invasions huwhyte nations are experiencing we also have:

    – Below replacement rate birth rates.
    – aging populations
    – miscegenation
    – childless women / couples
    – homosexuality
    – the incel outbreak
    – white male suicide

    I should also add that the huwhyte population statistics we at being given are purposely overinflated ( i.e. counting mestizos as huwhyte ) . Are numbers are lower then we suspect.
    Taken separately, these are all bad developments. Put them together and you have a recipe for disaster. Facing reality is not ” black pilling “

  69. If Whites continue to live in Diversity enclaves, then we’re finished. If Whites keep out and repatriate, sterilize or kill all nonwhites in our countries, then we have plenty of numbers.

  70. @Amon, I agree for what it’s worth. My point to nasty-when-cornered is sound advice for someone spreading any ‘gospel’ in these times. Subjugation politics makes strange bedfellows. We get along relatively well here, but we don’t agree on anything more than the general problem. I preach nihilism to enable true community in the future. To wit, why get deflated at the lack of agreement from those who can’t agree. You can send but you can’t receive your own message for others. We don’t need to prove a damn thing about being black pill. We need to have faith in our individual selves, do what we can, accept what we can’t. An outsider will have a great opportunity one day to ride the pendulum the other way. If fate picked you, would you be ready? Preaching to chip away at resistance is what the Xians would call proselytizing rather than evangelizing. You can’t share social values definitive of your mode of cooperation and culture with those who can’t have them for their antithetical nature. Let go, my friend. We hope to grab something better in the future. My task now is to not debate the merits of this comment.

  71. @plumpjack, “if he gets to push the button on his enemies at the end of it all then that’s a bonus.” Well said. That’s what I meant about fate and timing with the inevitable turning point. What is current has no future. What will be will be determined by luck seized by audacious gumption. The question is not if but when and how. I pray for a spill shot well equipped by fate. What I am saying is to get one’s own mental equipment right. 9/11 hijackers? That’s the right strategy in decline. The state controls the means and is becoming more and more incompetent with each victory. Silently harbor your warrior spirit while keeping busy with living your life such as is possible. Can’t control the calculation of fate, but we can play to win if fate smiles upon us. We can’t win otherwise now. Thinking of real-life winning as a bonus: that is a great mindset! I hadn’t essentialized it like that. It’s very understandable.

  72. ” If Whites keep out and repatriate, sterilize or kill all nonwhites in our countries, then we have plenty of numbers. ”

    Then we agree after all .

  73. @Indy and Elk

    Trav’s advice is spot on, but I’ll also add your comments, feelings, mindset, are not normal. It’s not ok to exist with heavy feelings of despair and eek out your days in seclusion. You need a strong friend and family network, and you need genuine professional mental health care. (Prayer every once in a while probably wouldn’t hurt either.)

    I’m not making fun of you for this. Mental illness and alcoholism run in both sides of my family. I’m just plain lucky I didn’t get hit with either. It is no different than a predisposition toward any other disease. It requires treatment, and immediately.

    Anyone who tells you it’s ok to dissipate into despondency is not your friend. Take charge of your life, move forward, and get the treatment. You shouldn’t be posting anywhere until you’ve done so.
    FE

  74. “If you pile up all the shit that’s happened to me just in the past few years, it’d be enough to make someone go insane or on a shooting spree. Conviction of a crime I didn’t commit, an absolutely asinine revocation of my clearance on the literal day I got the most cherry gig imaginable paying 114/hr to start (required that clearance). Job offers revoked, so much shit coming across my inbox needing that clearance. And because of circumstances that are so wildly improbable it’s not believable even as a movie script, I’m fucked out of them.”

    Sorry to block quote that whole thing but I have to say Trav, we have literally traveled the same road in the very same area but under slightly different circumstances. You were laid low by an entitled lefty turbo-bitch and I got the same from an aggrieved protected class minority. But the outcome was identical in both cases.

    I was also at the start of a new position with baller salary and also in the middle of a security clearance which obviously got immediately revoked because ‘muh dangerous armed huwhyte male’. And the series of events leading up to that incident also were like a movie script. When I retell the story to the few people that know about it they are all like ‘Jesus Christ this sounds like a black comedy but you are the star of it’. If a single thing had happened slightly differently I wouldn’t have had SWAT crashing my fucking house apart but things just played out perfectly.

    And like you, I sort of just came to acceptance. It spun me out for longer than it should have but it has reset my mind to simply realize the world has changed radically and I have to adapt or die, period.

    p.s. This is another money thread, I had a lot to say about many things written above but I’m trying to keep myself in meat space moving forward so I will just give it a nod of approval instead. tl;dr- That chick is busted and the men are WAY out of her league which shows the dysfunction of the sexual marketplace in 2019.

  75. If the carpet doesn’t match the curtains because the carpet is gray, it’s too late for her. She’s not worth it and she knows it.

    Probably shaves it for just that reason, then lies to herself about “feeling cleaner”.

  76. FastEddie. Your opinion is yours to have but I object to the characterization of my commenting as “dissipated.”

    I am fairly present alive and functional, in the company of men. A man if aspiring in a man’s world. Are you?

    What’s your excuse for not procreating?

    **************

    As far as goes Mr Doug. Perhaps he will let us know when he is ready and willing to his mission. In the meantime, we wait.

  77. Jay- had I not surrendered, I’d probably have had a door crash party of my own.

    the cops are idiots and love to play soldier and my buddy read the file to me which said i was armed and dangerous martial arts expert bla bla bla…he was like dude WTF?

    they’d likely have treated me as a high risk warrant and come and shot everything up and i would have ended up clapped

  78. FastEddie, I repeat my question —

    Are you or are you not, a man in a man’s world? The question is asked simply enough.

    Are your field reports evidence for or against, being a man in a man’s world?

  79. Elk
    Didn’t see this until now because it’s the weekend, and you should be taking a break and having some fun- not double posting at me (we’ll come back to that.)
    You don’t get it. Mental illness is the only EXCUSE for you. The alternative is- you’re just a whiny bitch. I’d prefer not to believe that.
    You blast Chak for a pity post when you regularly write meandering jeremiads. They’re fukn Michener novels as a tour of morbidity. Chak is a chick. I accept and expect a certain amount of emotional self-indulgence from broads. I don’t tolerate it from men.
    No more I’m super social but can’t connect with anybody… I’m old and life is passing me by.. oh just waiting for sweet release of Gandalf’s green field dork shit.
    If you’ve got mental illness, get it treated. If not, that’s great too. Either way- get it sorted, man up, move forward, and quit with the pity parties.
    FE

  80. FastEddie. You didn’t answer the question —

    In your opinion: Are your field reports evidence for or against, being a man in a man’s world?

  81. Is your goal to have a family, to have children, to have a son?

    If that is goal, then isn’t your time spent at bars and gaming these women (who in your own retelling don’t seem worth it), a waste of time and energy?

    You are what, 40 years old?

    It’s no mark against someone that they go to bars and socialize. But after the age of 35 or 40, being a player on the scene?

    Field reports can be amusing, but talk about treading over the same ground.

  82. You don’t get it. Mental illness is the only EXCUSE for you. The alternative is- you’re just a whiny bitch. I’d prefer not to believe that.

    So here’s how it went down, FastEddie.

    I asked you a question about the value of your commenting: Are your field reports a mark for or against, you being a man in a man’s world.

    You refused to answer. Instead you called names, and unimaginative ones at that: mentally ill, and bitch.

    I am willing stick to the argument; but you will not. You won’t even answer a simple question about your life.

  83. Now in three days time when FastEddie deigns to get back to this blog, he will and of a certainty, go with this —

    hey bro I’m busy being awesome and got no time for this. this argument means nothing to me and everything to you, and therefore I win

    Take a look at your own mental health! You take this wayyyyy too seriously

    He will go with this, or would have, of a certainty.

    In logical terms it’s a fallacy: heads-i-win tails-you-lose

    If I argue with him, I am a loser for taking it seriously. And if I don’t, then he wins by default.

    He has used this fallacy before; it may be in evidence on this very thread.

    But what it really is: is evidence of a frivolous mindset.

    The same frivolous mindset that he brings to the bar and the women he courts.

    He is not serious in his relations with the women at the bars. And he is not serious in his arguments online.

    Another cartoon character.

  84. Come to think of it, he shouldn’t be serious about his arguments online; because he’s not good at them.

    Stick to your field reports, FastEddie. There’s always room for another cartoon.

  85. There is a reluctance amongst both our host and his commentators in acknowledging each and everyone of our participation in what is basically a relentless psychological war of all against all. Our respective fathers HAVE ALWAYS BEEN at war with each other. And it shall be no different amongst their sons. And outside a mutual desire for Supremacy, there is no permanent alliance. When a son does not birth a son, he is ceasing to remain in the war. He has chosen annihilation. But if he is an ONLY son then he has taken his entire line of father(s) out of the war called Life. He is choosing total self-annihilation. A self that reaches back to the GodFather.

    The irony is that many who appear to desire living are rabid self-annihilators while some with a meticulously melancholy mindset cannot be fully enough.

  86. Excellent observations, Thor.

    ****************

    This exchange with FastEddie was in good spirits, enough; until this —

    No more I’m super social but can’t connect with anybody… I’m old and life is passing me by.. oh just waiting for sweet release of Gandalf’s green field dork shit.

    Granted it takes all types, and not everyone will appreciate Tolkien. But to put it mildly — it’s not to the guy’s credit, that he considers Tolkien the domain of dorkdom.

    ******************

    Here is my upthread earlier post, from which Eddie would draw but a troll’s concern —

    It’s all over now except for the tears. And then the laughter after that. And then the relief. And then the joy. And then the resignation. And then penultimately the renunciation. And then after that and at last, the far green field about which Gandalf explains. And then after that the afterlife. And then the cosmic bang and it’s back to the beginning but what w/ a twist?

    That’s what they’re telling us now, to expect. How would they know though, right?

  87. In case there are any of FastEddie’s relatives reading this, looking for PUA tips. (in which case God help us)

    The above passage of mine is done in the spirit of, what’s-it-called: creative writing, free verse, whatever-the-fuck let’s just say it: poetry. And in its tone it is appropriate to the medium. It’s middle brow. It has a Tolkien reference. Sometimes humans engage is such flights of fancy for no other reason than to pass the time, and perhaps even place their sad sorry asses in perspective.

    And one other thing. It’s good. It just is. My comments may be remembered; his will not.

  88. Who is the top commenter at Daily Stormer BBS?

    Who are the top commenters at Morgoth’s Review?

    There are 2 or 3 names, each of those places, who will be agreed upon and remembered the most, for some time.

    If you try your hardest, maybe this part of the blogosphere can also get allotted an honorable mention, or two!

    In the interest of accuracy: FastEddie stories, his field reports, are good reading. He has knack for telling his stories.

    **************

    I like to think that there is a demand for cultural commentary that transcends the political; for commentary that gets directly into the more personal issues, that are never resolved because of our human condition.

    So that’s where we are. No one has to like it. W/o trying to play politics here, and win alliances and influences others — Thor’s comment above about this being a war of all against all, was an interesting and perspicacious take.

    Life is competitive. Our natures are to want to outshine the others and thereby win acclaim. (Women should more STFU though.)

    ********************

    Morgoth — not the Tolkien character, but the blogger — just recently made some very apropos comments on the topic of drama and soul searching. He said that when he got into blogging, and finally decided to put up his own blog-flag, those two exact things were the two things that he would not for any reason engage in (because they were gay). He further said that such disinclination on his part, was due to his modest working class background from that part of England, the NE coast part or something. (It’s all Limely-land to me.)

    But then ironically, he made those comments as a preface to soul searching remarks about coming full circle. So where he’s from, it’s ok to be “philosophical” once one has come full circle; but not a moment before!

    If it’s done too soon? it’s pretentious and off-putting. You have to put out your tongue and take the scent, to see how might be received any soul searching comments in question.

  89. Lara. You occasionally say something edgy, such as Whites have enough babies, and then don’t clarify the comment when called on it: whether you meant in relative or absolute numbers.

    That you wouldn’t bother to clarify such ambiguity when called on it, indicates you are just out for a reaction. Your thoughts are presented on a simple level, because they are simple.

    ************************

    FastEddie started this bitch fest. I asked him a straightforward question and in good faith; which question remains: whether the majority of his commenting in the form of field reports, is evidence for or against, him being a man in a man’s world.

    I repeat the question for the fourth or fifth time, because it’s a damned good question. And he knows he is pinned on it, so he refuses to answer. And instead levels at the questioner some womanly concern about blah blah, and various name calling.

  90. Lara. If you look back on the recent thread containing your edgy statement where you say that Whites have enough babies. You will see that it was I who suggested you might have meant that there are enough White babies in absolute numbers, but not in relative ones.

    You never bothered to clarify what you meant. It was as provocative as possible, and then you don’t elaborate on it. If I recall correctly, and if am misremembering well then that’s my mistake — you affirmed your position that Whites have enough babies but did not clarify whether you meant in absolute or relative numbers. So you know the difference between those two concepts.

    Another statement you have made, and more than once, is that you find black men sexy. Again, you have your feelz and opinions, and Lord knows you are not the only White woman to be stuck with and allowed, those. It’s simply a fact though, that most such women who feel that way, are disgusting pigs. And so by a simple application of logic, mightn’t it be likely that you are a disgusting pig.

    Even the fact of contributing such opinions here, is more than a bit vaguely disgusting. So that there is another piece of evidence, toward you in fact in real life, being such.

  91. For the sake of elaboration, for the sake of the manosphere, which lives! on and may it remain.

    Obv. Lara making the statement many times, over the long years of this blog and its predecessors, that she finds black men sexy, is a shit test.

    This is the basic axiom. It’s all a shit test. It’s shit tests until you die, and then enjoy your funeral (pyre).

    However, and in the spirit of meanness and “let’s put this pig on a stick back in its pen where it belongs.” In this spirit, let us ask why Lara would be coming into this blog, and making the most provocative statements. Why does she need to play out these shit tests online?

    What does that indicate about where she is in real life?

    It seems to suggest that she needs to be put in her place, because in real life no one is doing it. Is that a reasonable speculation?

    Lara would celebrate a black man; and she is a mouthy bitch.

    STFU, woman. Your commenting isn’t even compost.

  92. Honest question. What percentage of White woman, who find black men “sexy,” are disgusting pigs?

    Might not it be a reasonable take, to say 100 per cent of them. 100 per cent of White women who find black men sexy, are de facto disgusting pigs.

    But in the spirit of conversation, someone PLEASE make the case that it’s not (100 percent).

    Because otherwise we are stuck [ stuck hahaha ] having conversed all these years, with a disgusting pig with lipstick on its face by the name of Lara.

    “I think black men are sexy. I converse on a WN blog. I am a woman.”

    I thought we had done got rid of the trash w/ what’s-his-name.

  93. lol. wtf. I’m gone for a sec, and Elk’s keyboard has diarrhea.

    First- you’re not in any position to question anyone’s manhood. Not until you’re doing something, anything with your life at all besides posting and whining. I’ve granted fair criticism of my hedonistic indulgences. It’s a consolation prize in clown world. It’s still better than doing nothing and getting zero enjoyment out of life.

    Admittedly I only skimmed the novella you wrote. I have a hard time believing a broad on this blog is a mud shark. If she were, and it was MY house, I’d kick her out. Simple as that.

    The problem isn’t your “flights of fancy.” It’s that they include extended layovers in negative negrotown and contribute to your inertia.

    I’m a cartoon character? Which one of us would be Eeyore?

    For the record, I don’t think you’re stupid. Far from it. But zero fortitude in picking yourself up and moving forward.

    FE
    PS
    I still prefer Elk emotionally lashing out over languishing. Progress, I guess. And yes I will be gone most of the day working and playing tennis. So feel free to post 10 or 15 more times.

  94. I dont remember Lara ever saying that here and I’ve read every comment on this blog. If a link shows that I have a memory lapse then I owe the accuser an apology. Maybe she appeased obsidian with some throwaway concession at Chuck’s years ago, as women sometimes fib to be agreeable.

  95. FastEddie. Your advice to this character, has been good and fair advice. I have been the jerk off on this thread and made a fool of myself.

  96. PA. I am 99.9999999999999999999995 per cent sure that Lara has said words to no uncertain effect, that in her opinion, black men can be sexy.

    And granted: Which statement [ “black men can be sexy” ] is perhaps a step less than what I may have implied upthread, which is that she (categorically) finds black men sexy. God help me, I am not misremembering nor deliberately mis-stating her act. There was one time within the last 6 or so months; I seem to recall prior instances but those would hard to dredge up.

    Lara might weigh in on whether she has said those things. If she affirms them, then it is settled; if she denies, then I will might the archives. If she doesn’t respond, then it is left as an assertion.

  97. I don’t remember saying that or even thinking that. I think I may have said some black men have masculine charisma. Steve Sailer once wrote about that. There are some black men who are not talented tenth necessarily, nor are they low IQ ghetto dwellers, but somewhere in between. They can be likable, because they tend to be good natured, friendly and masculine. I don’t have too much interaction with them, but when I do I like them. Plenty of white men also have this quality.
    I generally don’t refer to men as “sexy” anyway, especially a large group of men. It seems desperate and trashy.

  98. Fast Eddie may not be as smart as you, but it doesn’t mean he didn’t offer some good advice. People don’t really want to hear about your problems. If you really need to talk to someone, you should pay a therapist, and not burden friends and family with too much negative talk. That’s just what I’ve learned over the years.

  99. Elk,
    Someone I am close to recently had a baby boy. He asked me my opinion about circumcision. I told him I wouldn’t do it. It was falling out of favor and there was no good reason to do it. They were already leaning against it and did not do it. I was happy about that.

  100. Elk- appreciate it, but you’re being a little hard on yourself. No offense taken on my part. As you pointed out, I don’t take these little exchanges very seriously. Occasionally I enjoy them and hope you do as well.
    FE

    PS
    Loled at, “Women should STFU..” I remember thinking, “Well- he does have that part right..”

  101. Thanks for sharing that Lara. It’s to a person’s credit to discuss in real life, things that matter.

  102. I’ve always valued Elk’s, Lara’s, and Eddie’s commenting but after this thread, my regard for the three of you is higher than ever. Glad to have you here.

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