Immigration Debate

Two comments on immigration I posted on Gab:

A radical proposal: no immigrants. Why is this a bickering over ‘what kjnd’ in the first place.

The countries with the “best” potential immigrants are in no position to send their surplus talent abroad because low tfr = no surplus. Radical proposal: “That America not be a vampire on the civilized world.”

Immigration Debate, the Home Version

Boomer Dad: “Let’s stuff some beaner babies into Junior’s room. I’ll make ’em do chores.”

Cuckian Mom: “Those underprivileged black keeyeeds, bring them all in they need hugs!”

Gay Brother: “Can Chong and Pajeet move in? They have high IQs.”

Slutty Sister: “Syrians please? Turks are nice too. Oh and Arabs! Can-we can-we pleeeease?”

Creepy Houseguest: [rubbing hands]

Junior: [humming The Doors]

“The killer awoke before dawn
He put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where…”

Open thread.

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62 thoughts on “Immigration Debate

  1. Great post, PA. ‘The End.’ A most magnificent number! Nearly had me in tears at my first hearing as a lad.

  2. A while back I made a similar point “I don’t want their best and brightest because I don’t hate other countries; they need their best people same as we need ours.” And meant every last word. Back when I traveled the world years ago, I LIKED France being France, Italy being Italy, Hong Kong being Hong Kong. I love my country but the world would be a poorer place if it was all just America.

  3. As you know, PA, there is bound to be a certain amount of immigration, and it’s possible for a certain amount of immigration to be a net positive. But as a point of departure, I agree with your premise that in current circumstances our starting position should be ‘no immigration’. In fact, I’d suggest a better position would be ‘net negative immigration’ – for every additional carefully-screened immigrant, two ****birds get sent home. We should couple this with a naturalization standard closer to that of the Japanese.

    I don’t accept the argument that in an economy the size of the States, with a population and demographics the size of the States, that we need more skills or more strong backs. The US has all the social capital it needs right here, right now — either in place or in potential gestation — with very VERY few exceptions.

    Some of the trillions government wastes on idiocy could be diverted into carrot-and-stick incentives [education, training, tax structure, targeted granting or withholding of government support] to get the distribution right. For example, most of those jobs Americans “won’t” do, would turn into jobs Americans WOULD do with the right sort of support for working men and their families. Of course, a total day-zero reform of business regulation and the tax system would help.

    [Of course this is a coup-complete idea . . . but one can always dream.]

  4. we’re an economy

    immigrants help “the economy” by growing GDP. So what if they don’t produce anything of value, no space flight, no transistor, they merely provide a massive boost to the executive class in the form of gutted middle class wages.

    the GDP goes up. the people who care about the GDP are the vampires, the executives, the grifter financial class. They care. GDP going up doesn’t do a fucking thing for US; it helps the .1%. Government debt is the GDP. More debt, more taxes, more spending, more GDP. Like fucking magic. The grifter class gets a transaction percentage cut of the action, just like a casino with its rake.

    You can see it in the stagnation or decline of all wage echelons other than the 1% and specifically repeated IN the top 1% as the top 1% of 1% captured all of the wage gains there. All other strata are flat or down.

    Yet the GDP has grown 3, 4, 5% a year, doubling in size every 15-24 years…how has that HELPED anyone whose income hasn’t grown? All the H1 pajeets destroyed the software industry because execs weren’t content paying developers good money. Oh but you make 6 figures stfu you’re so paid…while the CEO makes 350x the average worker. In 1950 it was 25x.

    You talk to a democrat legislator and you think they believe they represent the citizens of Honduras the way they lionize immigration. If a corporation brought in lower wage SCABS to bust the payscales of a union shop, these people would be on the picket lines. If it’s H1 SCABS coming in to do the same to tech, or spic SCABS to do it to construction or trades, it’s a GOOD THING. Lower labor costs. More brown people.

    They all work for the same people even if they don’t realize that they do.

    We aren’t a nation; we are an economy and you exist to serve it.

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  6. It is a valid question, as to why someone, who can return to his home country that is almost 100% white, and is bravely resisting globohomo, still chooses to live in a deep-blue part of America that is barely 33% white.

    It is a fair question.

    No, it’s not a ‘fair question’. It’s begging the question. More to the point, it’s gamma quibbling and a lefty disqualification smear attempt.

    Fail.

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  8. The wall just got 10 feet higher!… Wild cheering erupts.
    2 years later… Oh he’s just another liar.

  9. i never understood this myth of pajeets having high iq. they never get anything done without some man of european descent around to guide them or sort out their mess. when employed at some globohomo company, it’s always for a position where they can’t do much harm, while the james damores do all the brain work behind the curtains. at best hindus are just muslims who didn’t subscribe to islam.

  10. The hot new youtube phenom Soph is on w/ Ramsey Paul this afternoon. She is like 13 or 14 years old. Her channel is produced by and with her older brother or something and it is 100 percent in the vein of the new sexual marketplace and its effects on the spawn. “Women Are Cool And Should Vote” published Oct 23, 2018 is one of the titles.

    It’s pretty cog-diss to hear her barely pubescent ass talking with all the current lingo about what’s it like. Can she say that?

    I don’t necessarily care for those styles of video. They talk too fast and the listener hardly has time to make sense. As if they are doing a 20-point presentation and in a hurry.

    That’s the only video from that channel I have watched; this one from Bonobo3D is next —

  11. Because of how many there are, there’ll be some Indians overlapping with our far right end of the bell curve. They were also the first wave of Subcontinental immigrants to the West. Very White looking, friendly upper class personal manner, classic British education. I’ve come across a number of them in the big world. They’re foreign but you can superficially relate to them. They’re in their seventies now, that’s a generation from a past world. One such client of mine was an exemplary Westernized Indian. At a glance you’d not notice he’s nonwhite. The guy talked engagingly about everything at dinner, even dropped some incisive offhand allusions to Shakespeare.

    The thing about the upper class Indians in leadership positions I’ve observed, is that they’re fine until the slightest thing goes wrong. They then panic and lash out at their subordinates. A White leader, on the other hand, thrives in situations where curveballs are tossed and adapts to the challenge. As was noted above, to function at high level in the West, dot-Indians require White managers and engineers to make things work.

    Upper class Subcontinentals are still a foreign elite, no matter how refined. And certainly a top sliver of that popularion. What followed them to the West is their human garbage brethren from Rotherham mug shots and drones from the h1b conveyor belt.

    The immigration “debate” with traitors needn’t be complicated either way. Indians are of another race and we don’t want them replacing us. Or more simply: we don’t want brown faces in our country. One shouldn’t have to justify his right to a country of his own.

    (Gamma 313 best keep his bullshit to a minimum. It’s easy enough to spam someone.)

  12. does this mean emigration is outlawed also, PA.

    if you’re the leader of xyz bleak Eastern European wasteland or xyz standard Latin American shithole do you shoot your own people trying to cross the border, or just the ones trying to come in, or both?

    how does that work irl?

  13. Good observation. Ive seen this playing out in reality (at least where I live) since Trump won. Before the NPCs could at least keep a facade up and have quasi mental models of the world besides Family and Friends. Now every environment has devolved into a friend group or family environment.

  14. “Nonbleak nonshithole countries, for one, can serve their own people by not inviting immigrants.”

    interesting that only white countries seem to do that. are there any non-white countries that offer free handjobs to immigrants to the extent that we do?

  15. “Free handjobs?

    How am I always the last to know?!”

    what do you think they mean when they say “processing” illegal border crossers? they have to give them their welcome handjob before getting shuttled to their destination.

  16. “if you’re the leader of xyz bleak Eastern European wasteland or xyz standard Latin American shithole do you shoot your own people trying to cross the border […]?”

    No, because they’re going forth to loot and colonize.

    The beaners here carry the banner of Mexico. Why should their leaders object to them claiming more territory for their people if the inhabitants are too weak to defend it?

  17. “what do you think they mean when they say “processing” illegal border crossers?”

    Putting them in bodybags for shipment to a mass grave.

  18. “No, because they’re going forth to loot and colonize.”

    maybe that’s our problem right there. we’re just sitting here instead of going out and taking what we want. or doing anything for that matter. what exactly are we doing as a “country” that’s worth a shit? our paralysis is absurd.

  19. Anon2 and 313Chris, you are spammed for making passive-aggressive comments. Do not comment here.

    If I wanted this to be about meeeeee, I’d be on Instagram. As to making this shit personal, you can either think of me as the world’s biggest hypocrite, or as someone who’s playing the hand he’s dealt and sharing insights from that perspective.

  20. “what exactly are we doing as a “country” that’s worth a shit? our paralysis is absurd.”

    At the same time weve developed a culture that punishes anyone that tries to step out of the paralysis.

  21. @PA- I think that was the right move. You & I do not see eye to eye on all things immigration / emigration but mutual respect goes a long way IMHO. Also, as to them taking the piss out of you as a ‘foreigner’ you’ve been here so long at this point that is an absurd statement simply to get a rise out of you, glad you didn’t take the bait. By that rationale lots of us are ‘foreigners’. At the point when you’ve been somewhere for decades I think that becomes a ridiculous argument.

    The focus on the content and not the person is important, and the Instagram thing is funny and true. CH was good at this as well. He would sometimes anecdotally comment on his own experiences but by & large kept the discussion about the topic at hand w/o personalizing it.

    My unsolicited .02

    p.s. Top poast travioli, you captured the zeitgeist well re: the bullshit that is ‘GDP’ vs actual tangible real income growth which has been flat or negative for several decades now.

  22. ” At the point when you’ve been somewhere for decades I think that becomes a ridiculous argument. ”

    I can live in China for decades, yet I will never be ” Chinese ” , how come we don’t apply the same logic to huwhyte countries ?

  23. Is there a ((( mod ))) on this site also ?

    [Not normally. There is nothing in the mod or spam folders. – PA]

  24. I hope no one thinks this isn’t being done intentionally . First you spread the ( illegals / virus ) throughout the US, then you let the chain migration kick in. Now Voila !!, there’s a latrino in every corner of the country. Even parts where they wouldn’t normally go to. Burn in the deepest hell Dump.

    – ICE to hire contractor to transport 225,000 migrants to shelters across the US –

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/ice-hire-contractor-transport-225000-migrant-shelters

  25. – Apprehensions up 42% on NORTHERN border as Mexicans, Central Americans try to enter US from Canada –

    This one smells like fake news, in consideration of all the third-worlders coming HERE thru Roxham Road. Maybe there’s some kind of Dr. Seussian off-again-on-again-in-and-about-again conveyor belt doing circles around the border.

  26. They’re in their seventies now, that’s a generation from a past world.

    That’s a good point, and interesting to me because I am on record as saying that I “like” East Indians, generally, certainly more than many other minos. But now that I think of it, my experience around them has chiefly been with aged, senior physicians who have exactly the genial demeanour that you described, and are not prone to finding themselves in the position of having to deal with the unexpected or with situations they have not been perfectly trained for.

    I have not, as a rule, had to endure the passive-aggression of a youthful H1B tech-pajeet. I suppose if I had I would feel quite differently.

  27. this is a doozy.

    as of lately i was shitposting on antiwhite videos on youtube. i won’t post links to them specifically as they’re nonetheless easy to find. just type something like “alt right”, “european collonialism” or “white nationalism” and you’ll be given a generous list of endless anti european diatribe and white envy. one thing that quickly springs to mind is how their discussion never gets off teh ground. it’s a circle jerk of ineptness and faux indignation utterly devoid of any basis on reality. in one particular subthread, the central theme was how to “identify nazis”. they put forward a choice of absurd theories ranging from “they won’t date a single mum” to “they like to drink milk, and would do it in your face”. the ok sign wasn’t left unscathed either. at one point someone said that “if you watch anime, you’re a nazi” and proceeded to explain his view. i used to think that the otherkin theory was the peak of human retardness. not any more.

    p.s.: in the comments section, if you catch sight of anyone emoting in a crude, awkward way, rest assured that there’s a very strong diverse component to the author of said remark.

  28. Also when a commenter consistently writes with this sulky, judgmental accusatory tone, odds are certain that it’s a Vibrant.

  29. Drinking milk and not dating single moms makes one a nazi?

    The lactose intolerant and bitter chicks out there are really sour and envious of what they can’t have.

    Is there a connection here, however weird or cosmic about “mother’s milk?”

  30. “we’re an economy”

    Exactly, Trav.

    Does anyone here still think relatively small distinctions like “race” matter to those who “matter”?

    No. We are all interchangeable units to them.

  31. It’s not our responsibility to try to uplift foreigners. The only relevant question when it comes to immigration is: What is in our best interest?

    But even if one were inclined to think that we should try to help foreigners, immigration does not do any good, and does substantial harm to our country.

  32. It’s not our responsibility to try to uplift foreigners. The only relevant question when it comes to immigration is: What is in our best interest?

    And before that, the basis of determining what is in our best interest(s), is Who are We?

    And questions of Identity are the sore spot, the fault line, the angle of attack for those who would confuse and undermine the question and thus the target.

    In a sense such questions are probably better left “not talked about” at least by those who are not trolls. They are probably better left implicit and to be determined. However they can and still are always interesting. I would have American Whites be a broad category. In the sense of realpolitik a broad definition of who is White American is a strong selling point. It would not include jews however.

    However however: such hypothetical, such broad category of White American might would allow for good jews, who would meet the following requirements —

    1. Phenotypically acceptable
    2. They renounce jewishness
    3. And maintain such renunciation sincerely and in perpetuity
    4. Additional requirements as fitting and necessary

    Yes it is less than ideal to have to negotiate with jews, and it seems like it might inevitably allow and encourage crypsis. However even so: Allowing an Out for those who look alright and would like to get away from their evil rabbis, might go a long ways.

  33. Milk feels like a healthy thing to drink but they say it has estrogen enhancing properties and worse — yes, worse is possible — inevitably contains cow puss.

    I had the pleasure of drinking raw milk straight from a country cow in the Potato Zone, and it was unlike the milk from the stores here. Milk is actually though now, somewhat of a hipster gourmet item. What’s the hot new brand?

    In Old England milk cows were called Milchers and they had affectionate names each and every one. Thomas Hardy wrote his most famous book about the milkmaid Tess of the Ubervilles. Which book is readable; prose is famously definitively great, and the themes are old school man woman stuff. Tess apparently misses her chance to hook up with the visiting aristo whose first name is Angel, presumably pronounced with a hard g, but he does give her a passionate kiss, back when spontaneous passionate kisses were a thing. Can you imagine?

  34. Apparently it’s hard work, milking cows. You don’t just rub them out like you’re working a clit.

    It takes a real practiced hand, patience and even talent. Or so Thomas Hardy would have us believe. Though perhaps he was selling nostalgia and a romantic view of country life, already even then. I have a neighbor whose parents have a big successful working dairy farm operation in the country and they have a current computer system to keep track of their cows and exactly where they are and how much they have been milked, and when need next. Come to think of it though, is the milking on them done by machine or by hand? I don’t even know.

    This guy though, this neighbor whose parents are uber German descended farm peoples of the successful straight arrow sort. He came into the city to work in computer security and make money. He has gone through three girl friends that I have seen, this is over the course of a decade-plus, and they are good looking and younger, but the previous two have left him for what must be lack of game. He doesn’t have a hard face and he plays video games. He does have a large Midwest German frame and is smart and wears leather jackets. So not a nobody but can’t seem to keep em. Let’s hope he does better with this next one but even she, good looking though she be, is not young. No kids.

  35. Either late last year or earlier this year, there was talk at le chateau about milk. I’ve been wanting to try out raw milk but I’m not sure where or who would sell it.

    I’ll have to try my hand again with Tess of the Ubervilles. I tried it in high school but didn’t have the right mind to get through the first several pages.

    And in today’s parlance, uberville could refer to a parking lot where uber drivers stop while they await new fares.

  36. ” 2. They renounce jewishness
    3. And maintain such renunciation sincerely and in perpetuity ”

    This idea didnt work out too well in post ” inquisition ” Spain, I suggest not trying it again. The only answer is total separation, anything other then that will be up to the Y*d, with the associated consequences of course.

  37. Depends where you are, mendo. It’s legal in some states, banned in others. I hop the border to get raw milk, from grass fed Jersey cows that produce A2 milk. The cream line is si thick in midsummer and through autumn, you can see it halfway down the bottle, and cut the cream off with a knife.

    It is heavenly.

    Recently reviewed genetic samples reveal Egyptians/Minoans were Caucasian, not African. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2325768/The-Minoans-Caucasian-DNA-debunks-longstanding-theory-Europes-advanced-culture-Africa.html

    Elephant in Room: regardless of our various cultural differences, Europeans are White. Current immivaders are not. This is so basic as to be laughable as a point of argument. Yet here we are.

    PS also modern inhabitants of what is now Turkey are NOT the descendants of the people who built Gobekli Tepe.

  38. “… such broad category of White American might would allow for good jews, who would meet the following requirements —…”

    No way, SE. This would be utterly naive.

    Jewish nature is what it is and won’t change. Even if a jew behaves well and desires to repudiate his tribal heritage, he would be inately incapable of doing so forever. Soon enough he would fail to continue suppressing the genetic imperatives deeply embedded in his phsyche and honed from thousands of years of evolution and semetic culture.

    Furthermore, it is most unlikely that he could or would completely and pemamently sever all ties with his jewish relatives, friends, and associates who would not be nearly so “good” as he.

  39. The reason we need to grow GDP is because we have a fiat money system and it is debt based. We have an ever growing proportion of the money supply based in debt which creates inflation as well as ever higher taxation to service the interest on the debt. We are at the latter stages of this system world wide now. Virtually every advanced nation is downing in debt and much of it mathematically impossible to pay back. GDP growth licks the can down the road some more. That is the economic explanation for immigration. The real reason is to create a color coded helot class for the 1% to effectively enslave.

  40. I never once heard of Minoans being from Africa. More revisionist history to destroy our culture. Judging from the Iliad, they were fair haired as well.

  41. This is all about ethnic dilution and destruction. The 8500 or so who rule the world and especially the top 150 or so of them want to eliminate the middle class altogether and turn the new mongrel race into permanent helots. You will be fed toxic food, toxic medicine, your history and culture will be destroyed, and so will your racial and ethnic identity. White people are the main targets because they were the first to achieve these things, do not accept the words of the leaders as robots to the same extent and are generally the best warriors. In short, the greatest threat to the ruling class. I recommend Wayne Jett’s Fruits of Graft for a good examination and survey of the elite’s plans and how they have been devised, sold and executed.

  42. “The reason we need to grow GDP is because we have a fiat money system and it is debt based. We have an ever growing proportion of the money supply based in debt which creates inflation as well as ever higher taxation to service the interest on the debt. We are at the latter stages of this system world wide now. Virtually every advanced nation is downing in debt and much of it mathematically impossible to pay back. GDP growth licks the can down the road some more. That is the economic explanation for immigration. The real reason is to create a color coded helot class for the 1% to effectively enslave.”

    I largely agree. “GDP” treats human action as current in a battery (the movie “The Matrix” is in my opinion textbook trolling of us in Real Time, showing us that we’re all nothing but batteries to those in power.)

    Economic activity generates taxable events and (usually now) bank fees and bank arbitrage between the nearly-zero cost of creating lendable funds (largely created from thin air, not “fractional reserves” of deposits) and the vig paid by the borrower.

    When the borrower is Uncle Sam (or his many subordinate satraps) then it’s a Win-Win, enriching the creditor and the (almost-always politically-favored) recipient of the borrowed loot.

    All of this rests on mass psychological confidence. Only a mania^2 of pathological trust could see the Bond Ocean fill to this level and still have interest rates near zero. It’s the largest game of chicken ever; holding debt is a path to wealth, right up until no one wants to hold the debt (and tries to sell it, all, simultaneously.) Every attempt to forecast the inflection point’s arrival have proved wrong and costly. I’ve thought the Top Was In several times since 1995. I’ve given up trying to call it. It will be clearly behind us when stocks enter a MONTHLY downtrend, revealed by price being below 13- and 26-month Exponential Moving Averages, the two EMA’s having turned down and the 13- being below the 26-, with price having logged subsequent lower-highs/lower-lows. [This is the definition of a downtrend, and the MONTHLY trend has never been false.]

    We rocket higher until someday when we flame out and fall to earth in a vertical dive. We just have no idea when that will occur, and until then the collective insanity surrounding us will continue.

    When the reversal is behind us, things will change. The absurdity and criminality embedded during the uptrend will define the ensuing events of the downtrend (when it comes.) In my opinion, either most of the recent (last 20 or 30 years) arrivals will GO HOME or they’ll ultimately be exterminated (after having coalesced geographically, and then attempt to acquire by force that which they cannot create themselves.)

    The USA will break up. Hardship will exterminate those who lack the will to endure it. Lots of mini-civil-wars will occur regionally to determine whose vision will dominate in the far more localized North America that results. Those are my guesses.

  43. Somewhat related to the above: paleomarxist mag “The Nation” has an article titled something like “To abolish capitalism, we must first abolish the family.” Someone hit the bull’s eye with this comment:

    > capitalism
    > family

    Pick one.

  44. “holding debt is a path to wealth, right up until no one wants to hold the debt (and tries to sell it, all, simultaneously”

    what happens when the risk of holding that debt is “collateralized” and dispersed among infinity investors? do the same rules apply? it seems the moneylenders have developed some monetary tools that have, at least in the short term, mitigated some of the extremes of the boom-bust cycle.

    my theory is that a monetary collapse would be short lived. three or four of the largest nations will simply create a new currency and will just wipe the slate clean.

    also, what did all this debt buy? a fair chunk of it went to lots and lots and lots of military toys. what would happen if the largest debtor nations got together and simply told the bankers to take a hike?

    if I was leader of the most powerful-ish nation on earth (spoiler: I’m not) I’d be thinking about how to do exactly that. and maybe a few of my supporters might have to get their feelings hurt in the meantime for my not publicly showing outrage at their black eyes.

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