Open Thread: Chateau Heartiste

“Le Chateau shone a bright light of truth onto sex, love, culture, and politics; but the lamps are going out all over the West.” — Corvo

Whether on orders from the top or at the caprice of an imbecile employee of WordPress, the great Chateau Heartiste was shut down. Initial reactions by many of the Chateau’s regulars, including yours truly, appear under the previous article.

Sclerotic bureaucracy vs. ideas whose time has come. We know how that works out. Someone wrote on Gab and I agree fully:

In a more sane era, the writings of Heartiste would be considered just as important as Thomas Paine, Samuel Adams or John Locke.

They will be.

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137 thoughts on “Open Thread: Chateau Heartiste

  1. Kelly, whom Heartiste often quotes, posted this:

    The shutting down of Chateau Heartiste Word Press site is going to shock a lot more people into recognizing there really is a top-down and bottom-up campaign to shut up and oppress all dissident right information and commentary outlets. All of them. As each outlet is shut down, with NOTHING done by Trump about it, and very little said by him, except for a few lame Tweets, many more and more of his supporters will question whose side he really is on, and decide, whatever it is, it’s not the side of the dissident right. He’ll be a one term president, like Jimmy Carter and GH Bush.

    Trump and nobody advising him, it appears, knows what a very angry base could do to him. Carter and Bush found out.

  2. The enemy wants to silence, impoverish, disarm, and ultimately, murder you (and your family).

    As more people are forced to recognize these facts, expect free play resistance to mount.

  3. “Kelly…”

    Kelly is rather smelly with an ape-like resentment. But long live her sailoress’s pride!

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  5. It’s like Globohomo really wants to push people into despair, rage and rebelilion, to justify a full police state and the future gulags. Particularly in the context of major electiions which will take place in America, Europe, Canada and Australia this year and next year.

    They not only close, censor and purge dissident blogs and forums, but also the comnent sections of the important media outlets and the most harmless comenta, vaguely conservative and right-wing, on Faceborg and Twatter.

    Chateau Heartiste was a Truth bomb, a place unuque on the web, the perfect storm of Red Pill clarity written with great insight, intelligence and humor. That’s what Globohomo fears the most.

  6. The Internet is a giant trailer park where tenants can be evicted with a snap of the landlord’s fingers, so whatever you build on it better have wheels.

  7. Even the mild Z-man Z-blog was shut down for about 40 hours a few weeks ago after he had an article talking how neo-conservatives, especially jews see anti-semitism as the main discriminator in people they support rather than if they are left or right.

    http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=17138

  8. Sclerotic bureaucracy vs. ideas whose time has come.

    They will be

    We have not yet begun to fight.

    Amen to those comments. These rats have not a jot of respect for the fire they’re playing with, nor do they grasp that they are essentially trying to stop water from being thrown against a wall. You can’t. It spreads elsewhere.

    What kicks me in the feels, if one were to think of it from a God’s eye perspective (as it were), is the enormous frustration over watching humanity have to reinvent the wheel again and again. Like, assuming the R-man’s writings really have gone up in smoke (which I don’t believe for a moment), it just means that some enterprising and astute young 140-IQ man is going to have to perform the same works in the next generation. All over again.

    It’s like when I was in undergrad, and I can’t recall the exact story or circumstances, but the class was renaissance history and the prof was telling the story about the scholar who travelled a thousand miles across Europe, to some lonely monastery, searching for a copy of some manuscript, and never did find it, only to have it revealed after his death that there was a version of it in the next town over all along. Why must we continue to live this way?

  9. On that note, I went searching for a comment, in the Internet Archive, that I had left at the Chateau a few years ago, and it’s interesting and fitting to see what I had been responding to at the time:

    I will be wiling to pay almost any amount of money for a dead-tree book compilation of Game posts from this blog’s archives.

    Seconded.

    I can’t remember how I first stumbled across the Chateau (I wish I could), but I do remember *when*. I was early in the first year of medical school. Life was… not good. My only-ever relationship – an LDR to a huge fat chick – was imploding. Somehow or other, searching for something, I stumbled on this site that was teaching… outrageous material.

    I kept reading. Fascinated. Riveted. I devoured it over a period of several months. Finally, by the spring of the year, I was ready to put what I’d learned to some kind of test, through action.

    It worked.

    Now I have the American dream: an attractive, easy-to-get-along-with wife who basically assents to whatever I want and complains very little; 3 beautiful children who I am raising to be thoroughly red-pill and alpha-aware, surely destined for happiness and success. Not only that, but I am happy at work because as we know, it’s often the people that make-or-break your job, and through the greased magic of Game my day-to-day workplace interactions go smoothly. I am generally popular and well-liked.

    I have come so far that I am essentially not the same person that I was when I first encountered the Chateau. I have become who I was supposed to be.

    And it’s all owed to our host, who, although not the only Game guru I have read, has always been my favourite. This is neither hyperbole nor sycophantism, merely deep, heartfelt gratitude.

  10. Be sure to read both of these:
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/05/always-read-fine-print.html
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/05/uber-settles-arbitration-claims.html

    If you want to actually fight for Heartiste, go mail out an arbitration form to JAMS on Monday. I plan to.

    On a side note, does anyone have back channel communications open with CH? I found it odd that there’s been no Gab postings in the last 3 days, would be good to know that he’s fine irl.

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  12. Heartiste is usually absent on weekends so perhaps Gab will have something Monday or Tuesday. There was a flurry of posts from Monday afternoon to Tuesday evening, most weeks. That seemed to be the recent post pattern.

    So, deeper underground, perhaps, we go? Or is this a normie wake up call? I’d rather the latter, but we can be patient until we’re not.

    CH is a wordsmith the likes of which I seldom read these days. Many times a thought or idea I’d had would crystallize upon reading a few phrases or sentences of this post or that. The comments section was equally educational and I’ve archived via screenshots many of the valuable snippets from the lunchroom.

    Editing down the political and RR posts into a book is a huge but necessary task. I’m diving into the archived blog later, to begin.

    As for anonymity, aren’t we all tracked by now? Surely we can be easily identified by IP. I’m tempted sometimes to stop the anonymity charade.

    I’ve never socked, I was also in level two mod and almost never got a comment past mod over there. So strange. I had a WP blog years ago, and I was the one who set the mod filters, so I figured CH had just blocked certain words, phrases, or browsers. Never occurred to me that WP was doing it automatically

  13. I saved many old CH posts as pdfs before subscribing to the emails. Not all – that would’ve been a real project. But a lot of them. I also saved all the emailed posts from the past 3 years or so, from after I got turned on to CH.

    Has CH been archived?

  14. Type in https://heartiste.wordpress.com/

    Look at the image behind the notice that the blog has been taken down. A cesspit of concert attendees raising their hands in worship of some Cabal-approved music unit.

    This is Bugman, Inc, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Cabal, Inc.

  15. SJ: “This is neither hyperbole nor sycophantism”

    Never felt like it for a moment, because we all went through the same epiphany.

  16. “CH is a wordsmith the likes of which I seldom read these days. Many times a thought or idea I’d had would crystallize upon reading a few phrases or sentences of this post or that.”

    He is singular in that way. I have amassed some praise for my writings, but when I read CH I realize I am literarily (not “literally”) bankrupt.

  17. The site was archived. In the previous thread, commenter walawala put a link of the archived site. I checked it out and it seems to be the entire site, but haven’t fully perused it to know for certain.

    I had been meaning to scrape the site (since that’s what I do) in order to preserve the writings and for me, it was just another reminder to never put off till tomorrow what can be done today (thanks, Garth!)

    But, the time is now and I’ll see what I can manage. A nice PDF with links to aid in searching would be sweet. Heck, maybe we can start a kickstarter to actually put it into print. I’m thinking leather bound with gold trim. What say you?

    Despite his agnosticism, CH seemed to not only value true Christianity, he understood its application best in this clown world. That’s why his writing hits home for everyone. He himself acknowledged that the truth (i.e the light) cannot be suppressed and that it will always find a way to shine through.

    Shine on, shine on, sailor

  18. One small thing I’m now doing, starting today, in light of this latest attack on my nation: carrying my 23 OWB (still concealed under a shirt, but I will care less about printing and I hope some yentas notice the bulge), as opposed to being bullied into pocket carrying something smaller. Got a beautiful OWB holster. Time to use it. Been waiting for SHTF.

    When I get to a place where I absolutely can’t carry (e.g., courthouse), I will leave the gun in the car but still wear the kydex holster, empty, as a fashion statement. Not illegal to wear a piece of plastic attached to a belt. Same as a boomer’s cell phone holster.

    Brain dead affirmative action nigger cops get to open carry a full size while I have to cower with 7 rounds of .380 in a pocket (sweating all over my piece)? Often I’m unarmed in urban hell land, despite having a carry license and, not to mention, the second amendment.

    Nah. Publius doesn’t play that anymore.

  19. Dudes , to identify each other in meatspace, wear 3%er hats. Or even normie USA flag hats , even though USA flag is symbol of communism. That’s the new “MAGA” hat now that we know Trump is not on our side. Gotta stand up and fuck OPSEC a little bit.

    Also carry your gun and don’t worry so much about printing.

    If a normie or scared faggot commie asks, tell them this is what they get for Jews erasing chateau Heartise Then leave it at that and don’t explain if they ask. Say “you don’t know chateau heartise? What are you retarded?”

  20. Publius is stronger too. 14 rounds of .40 and a full sized grip beats 8 rounds of .380 and even 11 rounds of 9mm.

  21. I scraped/duplicated the entire blog (Citizen Renegade then) on January 1st, 2011 using Teleport Pro. The tar archive is around 300 MB. If anyone wants a copy, I could just upload that to a file share site. I read on Roosh forum that others may also have complete archives.

    Perhaps agree that his best Game writing dates from that era. However, his recent political writing, especially in the past year or two, is really on another level and maybe more important. This was not just a blog, but a living community; also one of my sources for news, as I increasingly tune out more garbage and spin in mainstream media. Hopefully CH rises back up eventually.

  22. What kicks me in the feels, if one were to think of it from a God’s eye perspective (as it were), is the enormous frustration over watching humanity have to reinvent the wheel again and again.

    CH’s deplatforming made me think of this as well. The Dissident Right is, and always will be, scattered and unable to unite for a common defense. (((They))) will pick us off one by one. They have the infrastructure to do that. We have been purged from the commanding heights of culture for so long that we will never be able to exert influence from the inside.

    Fortunately, shitlords already own a superstructure that is in permanent revolution against the state: the church.

    Back in September we discussed this very thing:

    Social Media = The Opioid Epidemic

    We inflicted this mass addiction on ourselves and only now are grappling with the consequences. What’s worse is that the F.A.A.G. cartel is the equivalent of Big Pharma except lawless, mulitinational, and way up into every normie’s shit, perpetuating their power by commodifying personal information for blackmail and profit.

    The solution is to detox: Go Analog, eschew the digital until you can return to it in a limited, disciplined way and for very specific purposes, such as linking up disparate shitlord packs that have been built from the grassroots up. If you aren’t forming your local Mannerbund, you are part of the problem. If you’re getting your camaraderie/competitive fix on social media, you are useless as a teenage suicide.

    All digital interaction, including this blog and every communication not-in-person, carries a vicarious relief that otherwise would be channeled into revolution. Online chatter is the Sportsball of the digital age, breaking men up into 1’s and 0’s to keep us diffuse and weak, sapping productive urges that would otherwise be employed in holding ZOG to account.

    Cut the cord, break the router, toss the phone.

    Your local Mannerbund is already there, in the church. It has remained inchoate because it has no (uncompromised) leadership beyond a few disparate souls already restrained by a clerical vow of obedience.

    The church is a literal sanctuary against the depredations of the state. There are built-in protections (1Am, conscience clauses, tax exemptions, long cultural tradition) and automated defenses and hundreds of millions of loyal adherents whose Quantity has a Quality All Its Own. The left has been slowly whittling away at this pillar of civilization, but they haven’t destroyed it yet. The church needs leaders like CH (and you, citizen) to orient the culture firmly away from the poz. If I could reach CH right now, I would advise him to get churched and take over from the inside. She is otherwise dying of thirst for manly leadership, and her resources are substantial. This is a practical advisory.

    Instead, manosphere types attempt “to reinvent the wheel again and again,” as if they could start a Crimson Cult from scratch and have people ready to martyr themselves before betraying it. These independent efforts will always end in ashes no matter how virtuous the individual, just like CH’s project of 12 years. The asymmetry is built in. It’s the kid standing in front of the tanks in Chinaman Square. Real cool and all, and memorable, and very inspiring. But where is he today and where is his cause?

    It took Christians four centuries and a million martyrs to turn back the poz of its time. The stiff-necked Chosens kept rejecting God, kept trying out new idols, insisting on doing things their own way — and now they are the poz. Why do we imagine our mortal efforts have any effect on the infinite? Why do we, like Hebes running circles in the desert, continue to think we will get anywhere by “reinvent[ing] the wheel” every damn time?

  23. Despite his agnosticism, CH seemed to not only value true Christianity, he understood its application best in this clown world. That’s why his writing hits home for everyone. He himself acknowledged that the truth (i.e the light) cannot be suppressed and that it will always find a way to shine through.

    “He understood its application best in this clown world.” Spot on! Because of the poz he was born to, because of the same “original sin” we all inherited, CH kept clinging to secular terms and sources and epistemologies to describe his Holy Crusade against the Synagogue of Satan. Instead he called The Father of All Lies the “specials” and “Challawood” and “globohomo” rather than by his proper name.

    Fair enough, but in those misnomers, The Enemy was always able to escape our application of the One Power able to crush the serpent with its heel. CH fought the darkness with the darkness’ own weapons, which plays directly into its hands.

    “Heaven and earth [and blogs and nations] will pass away, but my words will not pass away.”

  24. CH will be back. Perhaps in another form. But hell be back and stronger.

    Hm. What could this ultimate truth be an analogue to?

    The Logos is eternal. Our attempts to strike it down only hasten its Transfiguration and Resurrection. Insofar as CH was an emissary of truth, he will rise again in glory. But any attempt to cling to the ways of the world will keep him sunk.

    Angels fly because they take themselves lightly.

  25. In a more sane era, the writings of Heartiste would be considered just as important as Thomas Paine, Samuel Adams or John Locke.

    Those writings are important because they won.

    Paine and Locke are otherwise small-l liberal shite. Sam Adams the Anti-Federalist was different — and notice how little he wrote about and how much more he acted upon his ideas in comparison with those other two logorrheic sophists.

  26. I think CH started out as one guy, but eventually turned into several guys writing under the CH name. The volume and quality of output was too high for just one man to produce.

    I’m surprised CH didn’t transition to a stand-alone website long before this purge, rather than remain vulnerable to the whims of the WordPress bugmen. PA – take heed.

  27. hopefuly someone can get a message to the heartiste author…i’ll host him without any chance of sjw takedown.

  28. This, I believe is an ominous sign…the definitive end of an era. It’s been a fun run ya’all, but now I think things are going to get really serious, and the online censoring of one of the most prominent dissident bloggers critiquing the approved Globohomo narrative is just the precursor to much more interesting times ahead.

    Ho’ole ke Ao noho pa’a hou!

  29. Speaking of going to church. Jim, host of the deceased TRS show the Fatherland, had a lot of good thoughts on that. He was Catholic. He said that the power structure of local churches was paper tigers, and that well meaning people White men could exert a lot of influence and right quick. Because theirs would be the influence that people are wanting, and were it done “correctly”, it would take like an idea whose time has come.

    The local churches around here are generally skewed toward non-denominational, and w/o exaggeration most of them, like almost all of them, contain rainbow signs saying something like All Welcome Here. One of them even has a Black Lives Matter sign, which is out of date even by the sad standards of wokesterdom.

  30. Was CH too busy to moderate better? Given his more than infrequent comments on comments I don’t think so. Was he pressured in meatspace somehow? I am speculating. His return or not and if so, how, will answer that question I think, for those who can think through a wet paper bag at least.

    As long as we are speculating. My intuition was that CH was not super keen and current on technology. In other words in that regard he skewed boomer. For instance his links were pretty much not current.

    As far as him returning. I have to think that CH the author, likely would feel boxed in by his reputation, and therefor that handle. On the other hand modesty was not really his thing.

  31. Anyone know how to get ahold of him? His silence is disconcerting. But, knowing his style, he might be keeping his powder dry until he gets the full story, finds a secure medium, consults an attorney, and can make a solid stand.

  32. The Friday Surprise deplatforming of Heartiste was a shock. We were in the mountains for a long weekend. Deep in God’s country Appalachians. At one point, I check my phone. “Lemme see the new comments over at my place…” Then “What’s happening over at Hearti— WFT!!!!”

    There are certainly scores of thousands of people who improved their lives directly as a result of Heartiste’s writing. S.J. Esquire gave one personal example yesterday. I also owe CH a great deal.

    Some years back, and I don’t recall the details, a US soldier deployed to a war zone wrote about how CH’s articles gave him the focus and sense of perspective that prevented him from committing suicide over a breakup.

    I never thought that CH was multiple authors. The writing style was always one person’s.

    — The local churches … like almost all of them, contain rainbow signs saying something like All Welcome Here.

    Game-fail, those eagerly inclusive church banners. It’s not even that nobody wants to go where “everyone” is welcome. It’s that this is a prideful age. The single mother doesn’t consider herself a sinner who needs a non-threatening welcome message. She is a dense, entitled bitch. The “least among us” strut like king-apes, at least so far as their self-regard goes.

    — As for anonymity, aren’t we all tracked by now? Surely we can be easily identified by IP. I’m tempted sometimes to stop the anonymity charade.

    The government/tech complex collects data on everyone but anonymity gives us a layer of protection from the freelance SJW mob.

    People whose lives are disrupted by a Twitter or Facebook shitstorm are usually unaffiliated with Dissident Right ideas, but they post under their real names with their employer named in their public profile. So when they post something in violation of the globalist Narrative, they are an easy target of the left wing swarm.

    I’d not advise real-name posting unless [1] you are not raising children, [2] you are middle aged or older, [3] you have portable income (if you’re a tire shop technician or a waiter, you can get another similarly-paying job), [4] your spouse is comfortable with it, and [5] you can psychologically handle a potential hate campaign against you.

    This is going to get worse but this will pass. Tyranny has a short half-life. Keeping a cool head is the task of the day.

  33. We were in the mountains too. Heavy rain and thunderstorms were moving in Saturday evening so we packed up early and headed back to 4G territory. Digital detox over. Check Heartiste…heart attack.

    Thing about churches, everyone IS welcome. All are welcome, but that means hearing uncomfortable truths and repenting of your sins. Le Chateau functioned the same way. It’s a difficult thing, to know a hard line has been drawn, and that you must live within it, to find redemption, but it’s the only thing that works. Trying to find every which way to justify continued bad behavior never leads to anything resembling an ordered life.

  34. https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/80f33862-4125-455c-b9d1-616869db6ce8

    “Look at these morose motherfuckers right here…”

    Doom and gloom! Guess what retards? This was a L O N G time coming. The fact that he didn’t get memory holed a couple years ago is still a great mystery. How many times did I (and others) harp on the- “You need to get the fuck off wordpress ASAP?”. Half a dozen? More?

    I like to think this is either him not caring enough to make the move before the inevitable nuke or perhaps he wanted to follow the old axiom- “It is better to burn out than to fade away” and wanted to retire anyways but went forth in a spectacular fashion as a virtual martyr. Either way, none of it was truly unexpected, let’s be honest.

    This place reminds me of a life raft and one commenter last thread mentioned how variable the people are from all walks of life that congregated there. So here are the ‘survivors’ then, innit?

    What is really interesting is, how many “red-pill” sites are nothing of the sort. The first two places to post about this deplatform were Rational Male (Rollo’s joint) and Lion of the Blogosphere. Both places are mainly filled with commenters celebrating the purge of CH because they are blue-piled faggots larping as red-pillers.

    I was tempted to throw a salvo of buckshot down range in both places because my ire & anger were still up on Friday but I just thought, why bother? It is like arguing with a ‘conservative’ about being a civnat or a liberal about anything. The comfort bubble MUST be maintained at all times.

    You can view the destruction of the West well but don’t mention the egregious and obvious racial angle or (((other angles))) because that is poisonous bad think that must be purged. It is amazing how many bleating sheep are still grazing in these “red pill” spaces.

  35. It is amazing how many bleating sheep are still grazing in these “red pill” spaces.

    That’s a helluva line not just for the phrasing but for how damn true and amazing it really is.

  36. @Jay

    “but don’t mention the egregious and obvious racial angle or (((other angles))) because that is poisonous bad think”

    That’s the crux of it.

    For those who haven’t checked out Voat, it’s a place where the (((forbidden))) truth is discussed.

    voat.co

  37. @Jay in DC said, “wanted to retire anyways but went forth in a spectacular fashion as a virtual martyr”

    I think that’s the likely explanation. His late ‘management’ of comments reinforces that conclusion. Excellent whole comment IMO, Jay.

    There really isn’t anything more to say. GE gave me a comment to that effect, that we were rehashing, some time ago. I decided he was right. (Yes, the irony.) This is a special occasion, so I poast. I hope to follow Keoni Galt’s fine example.

  38. Heartiste is still out there—still in this fight, one way or another.

    He isn’t the shitlord clown world deserves, but he’s the shitlord clown world needs right now.

  39. “I’d not advise real-name posting unless [1] you are not raising children, [2] you are middle aged or older, [3] you have portable income (if you’re a tire shop technician or a waiter, you can get another similarly-paying job), [4] your spouse is comfortable with it, and [5] you can psychologically handle a potential hate campaign against you”

    I tried to help AA get funding through a certain lawyer-client pay system, but globohomo was on to me, and I knew it would cost me my license in the end. That price was a little too steep for me and my family to pay.

  40. :Heartiste is still out there—still in this fight, one way or another.”

    Corvo, he’s reading your post and making his list of naughty or nice.

  41. There is “too big to fail” and there is “getting so big, it must fail.” Heartiste fell into the latter category as “he” was creeping incredibly close to identifying the jew qua jew as archetype anti-white (S)upremacist. This is the very meaning of {{{special person}}}. Simultaneously, “he” began to pinpoint a global predilection for faggotry amongst the “western elite.” In short, Heartiste was informing his “shitlords” that they were under the thumb of {{{special faggots}}}. This kind of humiliating expose subject to a viral media has real potential for a violently fiery backlash.

  42. “There really isn’t anything more to say”

    Yes, there is.

    What was game adaptation in 2004 is not what it is today. And what was true conservatism and the means at which to salvage heritage America are changing daily.

    Were in full out information war. And right now we need great minds like CH to write, to discuss, to keep us all thriving.

    He will be back when he is ready.

    The silencing of the Chateau marks a tipping point that we all knew was inevitable. But we should all take notice that what is happening to free speech by the Lords of Lies is dangerous. CH was the most dangerous because it was free. And organic. The most feared enemy.

    Perhaps PA and other outlets will carry splinters of torches moving forward that will become bonfires of rightthink. But I believe CH will rise again when we are in need the most.

    Or maybe well see a post on Gab that he will be back up in a week or so.

    Rick/The Strapon Within has now been reassigned.

    heh

  43. Mik: yes, please post the archive to a file-sharing service and share the link here!!!

    (If anyone else has a more recent archive, please do the same.)

    Re multiple writers: I recall a subtle acknowledgment of this fact by Heartiste in his comments once. while Heartiste is a very fine writer, I’m convinced there was a different writer up until 2011 or thereabouts. Early Roissy had a touch of genius that I think disappeared around that time. Not least of which was the phrase “riding the cock carousel.” I highly recommend the early Roissy archives (if they can be found anywhere).

  44. Ok, I compressed the archive down to 80 MB and uploaded here — this link should stay up for anonymous retrieval:
    https://anonfiles.com/3dSdQ3q9na/Citizen_Renegade_2010.tar_gz

    The archive is an unaltered snapshot on 1/1/2011. I never even needed to access it. Just wish I’d made a new archive more recently.

    At the time, I wanted a break from online forums as a “New Year resolution”. I figured the site would go down eventually, as other game resources like mASF and early ‘manosphere’ sites like The Spearhead had gone offline. This was my favorite among them so I copied the whole thing.

    Didn’t expect to be reading the blog 8 years later, or that it would become a counterforce to a worsening political and cultural landscape.

  45. A few years ago I heard a Roosh giving a speech about the history of Game theory. The first phase were the PUA, iconized by Mystery, which was the purpose-driven gathering of practical data for real-world personal use (what works, what doesn’t).

    Roosh calls the second phase the “Roissy-sphere,” where the empirical knowledge provided by Game flowered our understanding of female sexual psychology, and evolutionary psychology in general. (Paraphrasing from memory here.) This is where the average dude with some book smarts can actually come to understand why what worked for his dad and his grandpa is worthless for him.

    That led to great advancements in our social knowledge of what is wrong with our society, that is forcing us to mate under unnatural conditions that we did not evolve to survive and reproduce under. We now can see many defects in the outdated “Social Science” theories under which our institutions are run. Heartiste is described in his early years as the core of a massive intellectual development from the PUA side of the Manosphere, which at that time had nothing to do with WN. The way he describes it, Roosh himself sprung from the “Roissy-sphere”.

    Roosh then pushes Neomasculinity (which would naturally center around himself) as the third phase, about transforming our forbidden knowledge of hypergamy back into personal self-improvement and a gentle anti-feminist political agenda.

    But what Heartiste did for our side was even better.
    For he gave this knowledge to… dissidents.
    We now know things about the human animal that our seemly almighty enemies in their pride and vanity, have little comprehension of. The risk that they will suddenly figure it out before their ignorance destroys them is very small, for their hearts are too weak to question their faith.
    And in 2016 we saw what a Natural can do with that knowledge.

    So if they ban him from the internet, throw him in prison, or worse,
    his legacy is all around you and will never go away. If he retires tomorrow, he is still here. Every single one of us thinks, understands, and sees the world differently in part because of Heartiste.

    It really should have been almost time for him to take a break anyhow. Twelve years is a big chunk of your life to be able to come up with material of that volume, of that quality, with that consistency. He needs to cocoon up for a while so he can evolve into a higher form.

    #Heartisteisstillhere

  46. “I tried to help AA get funding through a certain lawyer-client pay system, but globohomo was on to me, and I knew it would cost me my license in the end. That price was a little too steep for me and my family to pay.”

    We do what we can, JJ.

    WordPress shuttering Le Chateau probably falls into more of a legal grey area than, say, Jared Taylor / Amren being kicked off of Twitter.

    In the latter case, Taylor has a decent argument that he never violated the terms of service, because he did little more than curate uncomfortable facts about race and explain his political views in a serious (if somewhat dry) manner.

    CH covered a wider range of subjects and turned his truth-telling into an art form of irreverent mockery of Globohomo. Fatties, thots, soyboys, cucks, eskimos, ungrateful googles, mudsharks, assorted third world invaders, feminists, hags, manjaws—none were spared. An endeavor that lasted as long as Le Chateau stood, and covered such ground with such biting humor, probably provides enough fodder for WordPress to argue that one picayune rule or another was broken.

    If CH starts up his own site, however, I think it will be very difficult for the [special people] to give him the AA treatment and try to utterly deplatform him. AA operates in a different space (and had the unfortunate bad luck to be caught up in the post-C-ville madness, and the other legal battles related to Spencer) and so they’ve (so far) been able to do things like seize domain names, deny basic web security services, etc. CH is just as dangerous to the establishment—maybe more so— but far less politically radioactive. If CH starts his own site and they push things too far with trying to silence him, I think they’d be on much weaker legal ground.

    If CH ever wants to get in touch with any of us, I’m sure he knows how; PA knows, as well.

    Meanwhile — keep carrying the fire, men.

  47. He may have wanted it to end this way. Maybe he is planning something else. I’m sure he’s the type of fella to exact his revenge on his own terms.

  48. I’ve been reading since Roissy in DC days, before the real life Dox and the first time he went off line for what may have been months.
    It was inevitable, and I’m surprised by even a weekend of radio silence. A better response would have been a deadman switch with *immediate* rehosting on another platform, prepped in advance. A blank white redirect page with a url and the words ‘lol suk a dik’ would have been golden, but WP would certainly never allow that. A post on Gab will have been enough to get the word out and the net would do the rest.
    You can’t stop the signal.

  49. In the war of ideas that stir men’s souls the globull elite has run out of ammo. The ideas that CH spent his life arguing for win almost always. Even with the dark hand of the elite holding most of the levers of power our ideas still resonate with the huge majority. Most people have no idea of the fight we are in against this satanic elite. CH is a tireless warrior for truth who will be recognized, one day.

    Five words given us by our birthright are the words that can win this fight. With the current makeup of the supremes CH could end up owning word press. ‘Equal justice under the law’ or we have no law and are no longer bound to the stuck on stupid boomer social contract. Dopey Mark and Jack the hack worship the word equality. Now some brave ambulance chaser should make them choke on it.

    It seems the gloves have come off. PA thanks as you are really the only one who took this up days ago. We might not have time for this to go all the way through the courts but it still needs to be pursued. It gives those of us who will ultimately fight the standing as we will have sought all avenues of redress for our grievances. Thanks again PA and as a guy on CH used to say (Fast Eddie?) I am glad you are all my bros. God speed to CH. Remember (((They))) can’t keep a good man down for long.

  50. Hey, Jay in DC, good to see you. This may be the last time the old CH crew has the chance to converse with each other in this life, so a passing salute is welcome.

    You’re probably right that there’s a good chance the Chateau won’t be back simply because it had said everything that could be said. In a way, the Right has reached the limits of the medium. We’ve said everything, revealed everything, and right now the only option is repetition. We don’t seem to have the monetary resources to launch an actual news service, start our own popular culture production (books/movies), or do anything political, unfortunately.

    It’s interesting that CH hasn’t posted anything on Gab, makes me a bit sad. Feels like the end of an era. “Back in the day we had this place called the Chateau … man, the arguments we guys would get into…”

    Dammit, I may have to get back on Gab.

  51. “It’s interesting that CH hasn’t posted anything on Gab’

    That would be a bitch move. Actions over words. Get back online and pick up then from there.

    Though one reason I believe there is a lot less outrage at this event than one might expect is it kinda feels right to move “this thing of ours” offline and into meat space.

    Law of unintended consequences can be a bitch…

    Time to start if you haven’t, bottoms up not top down. Not some LARP fantasy battle. real stuff, personal stuff

    Reclaim your dinner table.
    Reclaim your pew.
    Reclaim your classroom.

    Real talk in real life.

  52. Heretic Phi: bitchin’ post, man!

    I mean this from back in the day when “bitchin'” meant, roughly, “Fuckin A!”

    [Yes. It’s brilliant. – PA]

  53. I used to make decent money (not quit your job money but hundreds each month) by having a blog, hosted by globoh0mo, that dealt with healthy eating and exercise. In the end, I was shoah’d for advocating on my blog that fat is not, actually, healthy. This was years before the following ad and its controversy came out: https://thinkjpc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/protein-world-beach-body-advert.jpg

    I was shoah’d in 2013, which historians agree was peak SJW. That was when the [non-clown] world started waking up to how toxic the SJWs are. I have some hope that, 6 years later, CH’s shoah’ing will be the final nail in that coffin.

    That CH has been doing his thing, for free, with no ads or source of income that I know of, other than a fairly-well-hidden “Donate” button, is monumental. CH is something of a messiah to many of us. I hope that his disciples will respond by spreading his word at least half as strong as the first Christians responded to the murder of their messiah..

  54. “It’s interesting that CH hasn’t posted anything on Gab, makes me a bit sad. Feels like the end of an era” – Ironsides

    The man is sly enough to know that his silence is louder than his speech.

  55. Re: Ironsides

    I have worked in the Film/TV/Commercial industry for a decade plus. I’ve been reading CH almost as long. I’ll do anything to help CH and those lucky enough to be counted as his pupils. I’ve got the equipment, connections and know how to make a top shelf production.

    Anyone who is interested, say aye!

  56. “…his silence is louder than his speech.”

    Muteness’s mints
    Weren’t tasty, but screeched.
    As the Horizon’s cute hints
    Were more sweet than a peach!

  57. Was thinking about the moniker “Generation X”. When we were kids, we wondered why. As adults, we now realize the same thing the demographers did: we had nothing to shape us, no identity, nothing beyond “Under the thumb of the Boomer”.

    That’s changing. We’re now realizing that we are the watchman on the wall. The first to notice the decline and give a shit about it. CH and PA (okay, VD, too, with qualifiers, and Millenial AA gets a nod for giving us hope that our youths still have a spark or two) have been our teachers. Finally, we’re ready to embrace a leader. Who will he be?

  58. It is very sad. I feel very sad and angry about it because ok some times heartiste did ocasionaly step over the line,, but there is thousands of other blogs that do and do not get closed. It is because it is ok for left wing people to be out right hatefull but if it fits to the agenda of them they do not silence them.

    I beleive so heartiste will return in a other platform and I hope so he is feeling ok. I hope so all of the commentors are feeling ok because it is very dificult to lose the sense of comunity even a online comment forum can be. I am happy I come to this post and to see familiar commentors.

    Heartiste was/is a brilliant man and the comment section is full of good voices. I comment there ocasionaly maybe 7 years now, except for only a couple of people I have always felt welcome and have real fondness for many commentors. I really hope so he returns and I hope so you are all well!! God bless you.

  59. Eofahapi,

    I always enjoyed reading your comments. It was refreshing and your positivity was infectious

  60. Lotta peeps here seem to have the right forward thinking on this. CH is a ‘known element’ in the so-called Dark Enlightenment and has been for a decade.

    He could easily fire off a missive to Ron Unz and I’m fairly certain get a column there if he was so inclined. His writing style is unique and would be a net positive for that place. Once that happens he is untouchable (for the most part) by TPTB.

    Stuff Black People Don’t Like AKA Paul Kersey and Audacious Epigone were scooped under the Unz umbrella, and both maintain their anonymous blogger status. CH can follow this road too.

    Alternatively, Z-Man just updated his blog today and said he has been in radio communication with The Proprietor (of CH) and has already given him some marching orders re: next steps. So stay tuned folks. I am of the opinion you likely haven’t heard the last from the Shitlord Supreme (like Sorceror Supreme but with 100% more lulz)

  61. Semi-related, I was reading about Roosh’s tour and noticed that he feels the need to state that no one has been doxxed or injured at one of his meets. That’s a bit of an epiphany, when you realize that you’re on the side where appearing in public to listen to a talk and have dinner can get you injured or get your personal info thrown to the jackals for the globohomo-approved two minutes hate.

  62. Time marches on! Can’t say I’m surprised CH shut down. Half the comment section turned into a zoo on every thread…cant believe it lasted as long as it did on WordPress. It was time consuming wading through it all to reach the good comments.

    Thanks PA for your work

  63. “…cant believe it lasted as long as it did…”

    As J. Morrison might have asserted, that somewhat ribald forum was a verbose ‘feast of friends.’ Here’s to hoping deliciously for more friends; even more feasts!

    —EPG

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  65. @Rev24, if my opinions resonate with you positively, the first big if, I would be interested in you leaving your email on my blog, any post but within 24 hours. Odds are I will never have anything to combine with your skills, say a one in 500 chance, and well on down the road in time, but we ought to be playing to win, and ought to be looking for RP synergy. We ought to be looking for what we can do for real. I can’t bear the thought that my being successful or at least relevant can never be. There’s got to be that first time if there ever is at all. Someone will make history. Someone always does ‘the impossible’. The black swan appears. Someone will win. Most will lose. I doubt I would dox myself if I were to contact you, btw, but who the hell knows right now. We should not let our RP knowledge be all theory and no application, and that’s all I got right now. We don’t even know if we can trust each other, who’s who. There are RP shibboleths I think. Vibe. Physiognomy. Yes, physiognomy. We don’t know what necessity will compel from us in the future. I know I don’t know. I’m old. This decline is essentially monotonic unto the grand finale. Best wishes, everyone. Thanks, CH.

  66. CH was a website of cultural and historical significance. Apart from the quality of the writing, it had (and hopefully it still will have) a profound effect on the attitudes and beliefs of a very large number of men. No one who read such articles as “The Twelve Commandments of Poon” (Was it twelve?) can have ever been the same again. There is genuine philosophical and psychological insight regarding the sex wars in his writings, sometimes over the top, and not all true, but with truth in it. As opposed to the “official” version that is 180 degrees wrong about everything.
    By taking down the site, and running the risk that such articles would be lost forever, these Liberal Establishment lackeys have committed an act of vandalism, similar to the burning down of a library in ancient times.

  67. someone on here asked if this blog is a refugee camp for chateau heartiste commenters.

    in a way, yes.

    but unlike real refugees, we aren’t accusing our host of destabilising our place.

  68. “…accusing our host of destabilising our place.”

    ‘The Dire Tire-Pirate’

    “Reason’s sea-refugees…
    Sneezed “treason!” to bright islands’ strept trees.
    Seasons slummed with solar drums;
    (A lunar breeze in Fate’s latest crumbs)
    The climate slimed a well-mitten’d sleaze..”

  69. It’s hard to be K-selected and a longterm slow life energy burn(er), when the mating market has come to favor the other.

    That’s the long and the short of it, is it not?

    So how to fake being a tough guy, or be the real thing, or some combination thereof.

    Grow a beard. Get some tattoos. Ride a motorcycle. Be a real man. The point though is that it’s a mistake to think that it’s more manly to live fast and die young, than the alternative to which most well bred middle class American men such as say for instance your dad, were likely disposed, genetically and epigenetically and socially and culturally.

    That is my take on the PUA sphere, and a lot of the “how to be” advice found on CH and related sties. It’s advice for K-selected slow burners for how to act more like r-selected fast burners because the rules of the game changed out from underneath us. And if not actually to be like said fast-burners, to act like them. And the best acting is being blah blah feedback loops. Now is the hour Riders of Rohan

  70. Does that sound cynical?

    The concept of slow burner versus fast burner is well known and generally discussed as K versus R. Those two spectrums expressive contrasting life strategies are correlates but I can’t say whether they refer to the same thing or are different things.

    Everyone gets so much life energy; not the same amount, but everyone gets his share. And said share can be deployed quick as in Life Fast and Die Young, or slowly as in Live Long and Prosper.

    In a more stable environment, the latter is favored but in a more tenuous one such as ours is become, it’s now or never baby. During our lifetimes things switched from stable to tenuous. And many many many of us, were caught unprepared.

    Back in the day Mangan talked about contrasting life strategies. He went underground and I don’t vouch for what he said. A current excellent youtuber is Jolly Heretic who uses the slow versus fast spectrum as the basis for his analysis of White men and where they stand in their societies. He is based in Finland but speaks with a convincing English accent. Very funny and talented. See his recent — Episode 24: Who Gets Tattoos and Why, Oh Why, Are They So Popular?

    *****************

    Well noted correlations between the Fast Burn and the Slow Burn as expressed in men —

    – more developed secondary sexual characteristics
    – big arms and shoulders
    – High t versus lower t
    – strong jaws aka dentofacial prominence
    – tattoos
    – reckless behavior
    – less prosocial personality types: more inclined fuck you (and mean it)
    – etc etc

    For all their charms these types a cohesive and strong group, with which to outcompete other groups, do not make.

    In any case, such types are romanticized and admired. See for instance outlaw bikers. In a more stable society, such types are not admired.

  71. He is based in Finland but speaks with a convincing English accent. Very funny and talented. See his recent — Episode 24: Who Gets Tattoos and Why, Oh Why, Are They So Popular?

    My comments above are what Jolly Heretic says in his video and with the example of tattoos. They used to be for a certain type of person and then everyone started getting them to act like tough guys.

    Sexual dimorphism is was a big theme, at CH. Sexual dimorphism is more pronounced amongst fast burners. They are more likely to have the stronger secondary sexual features like big muscles and jaws.

    I don’t think that high T correlates with life energy so much as with a faster burn of same. And same with most of the rest of those things. Is it not the case that neotenous animals live longer? It certainly is the case with small dogs versus larger less neotenous canines. Doesn’t the same hold true for humans?

  72. Here is a criticism of CH that ought be reminded. He used to advocated and frequently, for espousing a personality comprised of the dark triad: narcissism, something something, and psychopathy. Psychopathy??!

    Give me an effing break. Commenter King was a voice of sanity in those threads, which must have been ten years ago now, where commenters would brag of being psychopaths like is a mark of distinction and to be admired.

    But seen along the trend lines as summarized above, it makes some sense: it was advice to K selected individuals, to be more like fast burner antisocials, because such results suddenly held water on this sinking ship of society.

  73. “…K selected individuals … this sinking ship of society.”

    ..So-so sighs in ripped cities:
    The grumps are again pumping iron;
    Poe’s thighs are so gritty!
    (Must be the squats with young Byron…)
    A loose lion licks a strayed kitty;
    Their purrings slur their environ..

  74. Heretic Phi: h/t great post.

    I have a deep archive of material dating back pre-mystery. Tons of posts from alt.seduction.fast or whatever the usenet channels were. where it all started.

    I’ll try and compile some of it and share.

    the evolution is fascinating. a bunch of men discussing observation, comparing notes via the internet before Globohomo big tech came to power.

    what Roissy/CH did was Mozart-esque to the cause. brought many men together. many good, great, white men. brought things to a whole new level and then some.

  75. Evening Gents, a truly terrible act indeed wordpress taking the knife to our esteemed CH. I have been a long time silent reader, but due to the very remote nature of the life i lead i could never hope to partake in active conversation with you all in the comments- the best i could do was copy and paste the articles & their comments to be later read under the stars by the humm of a genset, a truly fitting place for le chateau if ever there was. My sincere regret is i now no longer am able to thank you all for your input.Centered around CH the three R’s of the manosphere have literally saved my life, and given me light through my darkest days, forging of me a new man, no doubt as it has forged many of you. To the survivors i see here, a very heartfelt thank you to each and all of you too, a huge part of the value has been through the incredible dialogue found in the comments. I have heard you all speak, at odd points i have disagreed with you all, I have learned tremendously from you, choked on my beer and roared with laughter into the wilderness with you, spit with righteous rage with you, and started to plant the seeds of what you all have taught me into minds i can see are receptive. It is a sense of community that will be most sorely missed, I hope some part can live on, whether it be here or if as a Pheonix it can rise again on a new platform. If any of you communicate privately with the Roissy please pass my gratitude on as another man he has saved but who never had the chance to thank him personally. who i am is irrelevant, but the gravity of the seriousness of his work can not be understated, he and you have touched more lives than you will ever know, and those of us who have received strength and light through you will always carry the torch of the cause going foward. So instead of saying goodbye i will say so long. Peace and strength be upon you all. Salute from half a world away.

  76. “It’s advice for K-selected slow burners for how to act more like r-selected fast burners because the rules of the game changed out from underneath us.”

    this is pretty spot on, but it’s important to point to the source: female sexual autonomy via birth control and on-demand fetus culling.

    women were originally the only fast burners that we gave a shit about. they are fast burning due to their shorter sexual market shelf life, and therefore have a shorter window in which to figure out what a proper mate looks like. nature didn’t equip them with the faculties to do this rationally, for whatever reason, so they have to figure it out by doing a goldielocks-type sampling of a bunch of different guys, not realizing what the downstream implications of that would be, for themselves nor for society as a whole.

    the truth is that a good chunk of women weren’t satisfied with the old beta male patriarchy system of being locked down early and then being sexually dissatisfied for most of their adult lives. their underutilized sexuality was a low hanging fruit. they wanted the freedom to throw their chips in and compete for a one-in-million shot at the werewolf with the mansion on the hill.

    the other half of this is that underutilized male sexuality was a low hanging fruit also. channeling all that testosterone into bloodthirst may have worked for millennia, but how about in the post industrial era? take a close look at all the brother wars, especially ww2, and ask yourself if that model of slow burning, where underutilized male sexuality was channeled into destroying one another, taken to the extreme where EVERYBODY gonna die, was sustainable forever.

    one thing I wish the alt right would look at more studiously is the larger trends going on here besides just white birth rates and getting poosy. this shit is all pretty much happening on a darwinian/biological straight line and there really aren’t any surprises if you think things through thoroughly, not just forwards but also BACKWARDS.

  77. Gentlemen, I do not believe you understand the underlying premise that they have used to accomplish this. The most recent information that I saw was that CH inspired the most recent *special person place* atrocity. This very well means you have all been identified as possible very bad people on lists that no one sees. Tread carefully and lightly. Watch out for each other, No-one else is or will. Attempt to better each other, offer insights to others without risking outing yourselves. We need to associate as others do without risking ourselves. Acknowledge each other in the meatspaces. A simple head nod of acknowledging another existence is a small cost free step in the direction we need to head. No more infighting. Have each others backs, especially in the workspaces but don’t risk your livelihoods. Bring each other and others back into the fold if you will. Never let your guards down.

  78. It’s reaching a point where I feel we’ll have to identify one another by drawing a swivel in the sand, and having the other man complete the image to show their solidarity.

    CH -seemed- to be pretty good about covering what they deemed as ‘hate speech’ posts by posting a few game-related/off-topic posts quickly afterwards to bury the actionable content further down the page and out of quick reach (though not always).

    I plan to stay in-the-know with the rest of you.

  79. I’m easy to identify because I speak of these truths in real life and don’t hide it. I’m always learning more and speaking truth to power. Raising awareness of these truths is more impactful than any other single act.

  80. CH is not going to be on the short list of the Who’s Who of icons like Locke, Adams, etc. Nor was he even remotely Christian. He was a charlatan.

    Male Notchcounters–The manosphere, along with men who simply do not want any steady girlfriend, are also a major root cause of these issues regarding the demise of Western Civilization, i.e. declining rates of (white) marriage and fertility. The jig is up for “players” like Roosh and Roissy. They are hitting the middle aged man wall and must rebrand themselves to keep relevant. Roosh in particular wrote several books for a targeted audience with the intention to make money and grab that 15 minutes of fame. He focused on the idea that men could have sex with exotic women without consequence, and inevitably Christian single men were drawn to his lure–we are men, there are fallen women in this world, we can have sex with them and leave them because they are fallen women, we do not have any responsibility because we are men and they are fallen women, we will be forgiven by marrying (near) virginal women. Had Roosh and men of his ilk been properly brought up by their parents, he would refrained from “pumping and dumping”, embraced Christianity, and wrote about how men ought to save their brethren from a life of misery and despair by chasing unchaste women…from the jump.

    Supposedly they found the loophole–men need not be moral when women are immoral. This philosophy has led Christian men down the path of ruin, a road that he helped to pave. BUT…men as the allegedly wiser sex should make the “prudent decision” NOT to have sex with loose women or have sex outside of marriage. So those men whose purpose is procure as much poon as possible are solipsistic AND lack impulse control.

    Stated another way–Men like Roosh hunt after “easy bar girls” and “hard core virgins”. They are jaded and bitter because the jig is up for them; they rutted like an animal and neglected to develop meaningful relationships. Their conduct is like a looter and vandal in a troubled society. Did they take the high road? Save themselves for their future bride? Absolutely not. They were a slave to their most base and vulgar urges.

    Again, to be explicitly clear, Roosh’s and Roissy’s constant harping that women are all tramps is simply an expression of the limited company he kept. And why is it that it takes so much ‘game’ and strategy to get laid by all these ‘sluts’? Prowling around bars for fallen women is not “all women”. And most importantly, no traditional family will hand their gently raised virginal daughter over to a sleazy pickup artist EVER. What good father would let his beautiful daughter be defiled by a seedy kebob?

  81. I pop into Dalrocks place now and then. He had a recent post about what *should* young women be doing while they’re delaying marriage and “expanding their horizons.” Premise: we don’t fear our daughters becoming whores, we fear them NOT becoming whores.

    We fear early marriage. We fear not having life expansion. It’s FOMO. The idea that life cannot be fulfilling unless we’ve gone Bright Lights, Big City is ingrained.

    In short, as PA advises, just knock up your high school girlfriend and settle down.

  82. @Allyn71 Roissy is a font of wisdom. Even the Bible quotes secular scribes when they articulate truth. We’re not saying he’s on the right hand of God, but he is on the “right side of history” LOL.

    Roosh is in the process of finding God. He even refers to his old days, which he has renounced, as meaningless “fornication” (his word).

    We know the tree by its fruits. What are yours?

  83. — I pop into Dalrocks place now and then. He had a recent post about what *should* young women be doing while they’re delaying marriage and “expanding their horizons.” Premise: we don’t fear our daughters becoming whores, we fear them NOT becoming whores… In short, as PA advises, just knock up your high school girlfriend and settle down.

    I visit Dalrock occasionally. From what I see, he’s solid. An example of a focus-area blog, rather than open-ended culture & politics. His focus is Evangelical Christianity vs feminism. Also a rare example of a contemporary blog that’s silent on the broader race/identity stuff, yet it works because from what I see, the earlier nonwhite commenters had left. They were of the libertine PUA “bang the White poosy” sort, old school MRA if you want to be generous about those individuals.

    I’m still amused by a kerfuffle I stirred among some of Dalrock’s commenters c. 2013 when I wrote that stringing your girlfriend along with no intention of marriage is (alpha) male equivalent of female-inflicted cuckoldry. Therefore, as I stated, a girl in that situation ought to ask her boyfriend to shit or get off the pot, and if he doesnt, have an oops pregnancy with him.

    I dont recall Dalrock himself getting involved in that mini war, but boy, did some of his dumber commenters. “PA is a (shudder) white nationalist!” “Hey PA, you would hate me, I am stringing a bunch of girls along!” (riiiigh…. sure you are, nerd)

    Anywayz, libertinism is dead. PUA is dead. Not just because the original writers had aged out of it, but because I see what’s out there for “picking up” with my own eyes. The wall of fat.

    My “At 17” blog post is the way forward.

  84. When I found and started to read Roosh, not much long after was when he had his seemingly road to Damascus moment. If anything, it was more Ecclesiastes wherein he realized that all he had been doing was futile and amounted to nothing. I wish him the best on his journey to discovering his purpose, hopefully a God-filled purpose.

    One thing I respected about Dalrock was for calling out the so-called pastors for emasculating the men of the church for not manning up, wife-ing up the loose women. (Don’t feel like using that word right now.) And those women that magically found God when they got older and lonelier in life. I need to visit his site more. Always liked his writing style and that it had a Christian foundation to it.

  85. PA, first thanks for keeping this thread open and providing a place for Chateau congregants to converse. After the night of the long knives last week, it’s reassuring to see some old faces. We’ve had minor disagreements but that’s the nature of the beast around here.

    I also didn’t mention, and wanted to give a shout out to, Good old Jay in my eulogy earlier this week. There’s another guy whose been through hell and contributes to the excellent kkk0mmenting.

    Funny, I saw Milo Yiannopous mention CH on Gab, and how he was a loyal reader. (I wonder if Milo is poasting as Saucery). It raises the oft-discussed point about highly-placed people reading CH, including Administration figures.

    Strangely enough, just when CH was executed, the White House launched the “hotline” for reporting suppression of 2A by scrotial media platforms (I can’t imagine how Cap is managing his time these days). I think there may be some credence to this theory after all.

    Anyways, I don’t know where we’ll all end up – here, on a new CH site, somewhere else, or nowhere. But I can tell you it’s going to get worse before it gets better.

    That Cunt, that Whore of Babylon in NŽ, is working hand in glove with the globohomoist to eradicate free speech, and to disarm the white man. I haven’t seen a more evil-looking figure since that time I saw William Swing, the cretinous former head of the IOM, or Peter Sutherland, the former special representative of the UN Sec Gen on migration, who is now rotting in the eternal lake of fire.

    Anyways, guys, let’s keep going.

    Les

  86. “(I wonder if Milo is poasting as Saucery).”

    lzozlozlozlozlzol— Hilarious man, that is a great mental image! Top lulz.

    Thanks for the nod, I definitely have taken my share of lumps, some of them were self-inflicted unfortunately by me being way too reactive / impulsive but it still doesn’t justify the extreme blowback I was given. Anyhow, bygones and all that innit? Moving forward, I can’t unfuck the past so gotta keep pushing ahead one way or another.

  87. I think they are in the same league as Thomas Paine. CH has served that purpose. I am always moved to march when I read the American Crisis.

  88. When I found and started to read Roosh, not much long after was when he had his seemingly road to Damascus moment. If anything, it was more Ecclesiastes wherein he realized that all he had been doing was futile and amounted to nothing. I wish him the best on his journey to discovering his purpose, hopefully a God-filled purpose.

    I admire Roosh for his conversion. He may have thought he wasted his time but what he did was create the experiences he needed to appreciate higher ideas. I first noticed how CH had made men out of many of us through this same process. I believe God worked through his blog and many saw their lives more as he would expect them to through it.

  89. Jaded, Jaded, Jaded

    Roissy offered advice, not wisdom on what he posits to be true about the nature of men and women. There is tremendous room for interpretation here. Besides, there is no “wisdom” in having single men employ their wit to engage in coitus with a woman repeatedly, then get rid of them when it suits their purpose. The same goes for a single woman who uses her charms to produce that outcome as well. This behavior is devastating to a civilization. Besides, Roissy and Roosh are currently biological dead ends, as they have no offspring. That has been THEIR CHOICE.

    As far “even the Bible quotes secular scribes when they articulate truth”, the truth is that Roissy promoted a deviant lifestyle that would incur God’s wrath. Is this the best you can do, “counselor”?

    As far as Roissy being on the “right side of history”, that requires the participants to be on the right side of God. A closer reading suggests that the Bibleʼs heroes are not meant to be models of outward toughness, but exemplars of inner fortitude. C.S. Lewis warned against this conflation of Western machismo and scriptural precedent in his seminal work, The Screwtape Letters. In it, the eponymous demon advises a devil in-training to feed his target “the grand lie which we have made the English humans believe, that physical exercise in excess and consequent fatigue are specially favorable” and, therefore, worthy of divine aspiration. Such misguided thinking, Lewis writes, creates “a condition of false spirituality,” in which the object of godly manhood is confused with that which mainstream culture portrays as truly manly.

    As a result, “men” like Roissy package masculinity for their own purposes. Not athletic? You are not a man. Cannot shoot a gun? You are not a man. Not dating a slender woman? You are not a man. Enjoy music more than weightlifting? Turn in your man card. Of course, those traits are desirable in men, but not a requirement to be a man. So when he casually throws around loaded terms like “real masculinity” in ways that reinforce—rather than rebut—secular formulas, we oversimplify a nuanced concept expressed as earthly ambitions, rather than ecclesiastical values.

    I am of no illusion that the state of modern men is strong in the metaphorical sense. We know of the negative impacts of couch-potato lifestyles and porn addiction on the Western population. Even so, we must resist the temptation to lay blame first at our physical conditions before our spiritual ones. We must recover the idea that the marker of a true man is his moral strength, not his muscular fitness. Once we are willing to put the Roissy’s and Roosh’s of the world in their place, as well as deal with toxic impact of radical feminism, the spiritual cleansing will commence.

    “He even refers to his old days, which he has renounced, as meaningless “fornication” (his word).”



    Because he is becoming a true believer, or because he has hit the proverbial wall? He is no longer the guile, cunning poon slayer. The jig is up for him. The evidence points to him assuaging his guilt in light of his empty existence. He had every opportunity to renounce his lifestyle at the zenith of this notch counting career, yet chose to continue the path of sin. True, only God knows what is in Roosh’s heart, and He will ultimately judge. But that does not prevent men on Earth to use the available evidence and make their own determinations as far as Roosh’s seriousness when it comes to having a conversion experience. The first step in his quest for forgiveness is a digital hairshirt, an absolute purge of social media, his PUA contacts, and his “tour”, which essentially is a grab for coin. He becomes born again, and engages in a scorch earth policy to destroy everything PUA.

    The fruit of your tree is poisonous.

    And, no Carlos, God did NOT work through Roosh’s or Heartiste’s blog. It is mesmerizingly asinine to even make such a pronouncement.

  90. I think God DID work thru CH and Roosh’s blogs because both have opened many men’s eyes to the true nature of women and the reality of the world around them. In this way, both have helped many men avoid falling into the life-ruining traps that have been set for them in the modern Western world. They’ve helped me, thank God!

    I’d rather God show me how things really work here in the material plane then set me up for disappointment with idealistic platitudes about how things “should be.”

  91. Promoting sex tourism is among the lowest of low, which is why I’ve never said anything good about Roosh. But I also won’t criticize the positive things he’s doing now.

  92. Allyn71—

    Nice wall of text. You are channeling your inner Aristarchus. If you were to look up self-righteous religious blowhard in an encyclopedia, your image would be right there. You are the text book case of why I can’t stand arrogant religious cunts that pontificate SO certainly about who is doing God’s work and who isn’t. You have it all figured it out don’t you? Sure of your own righteousness and clear moral path. You sound like two other groups: 1) Radical Muzz Islamists and 2) Blue Haired SJW Diversity Worshippers. Both are also 100% certain of the righteousness of their cause and that, they alone, know the Way to Salvation.

    Fuck off back to whatever fundamentalist hole you crawled out from. Men, real men, are talking here. The kind that don’t pretend to know the Mind of the Unknowable. In fact, I will take you a step farther after that absurd screed you shitposted above. I am one of the few people in this world to have a fleeting encounter with that great unknowable power. I can tell you with more certainty that any of the 2000 year old books you cling so dearly to that is cares VERY little for your sense of the ‘right path’ and your morality. See how that works? I just blew your arguments to bits because you are quoting from a book that was largely stolen from other books and I have ‘direct’ evidence. I’ll await your pithy rebuttal…

    There was a guy here (more than one?) that literally said he was suicidal and CH ‘talked him off the ledge’. How many lives have you saved? When you and CH are standing in judgement at the end, let us see who has the higher tally of indirect good done for mankind. You are a parody and a joke and SO typical of the dogmatic religious horseshit that repulses myself and so many others.

  93. Trigger much, JayInDC? You are projecting your own insecurities here and neglected to honestly and introspectively address the points I made. Your posturing, giving a false pose of superiority, and your passive-aggressiveness wreak of gamma. It is nothing personal. Perhaps you will get sick of yourself and decide to stop handicapping your potential. Remember, there is a powerful lobby within the Alt Right community who believe that the West can only be saved by that “dogmatic religious horseshit”. You will have to contend with their own brand of “self-righteousness”.

    As the eminent Z-man Blog once opined, “This is where the men’s rights crowd and the pickup artists got it all wrong. The answer to the degeneracy of feminism is not sullen indifference or craven opportunism. The solution to feminism is for men to get back to policing their own ranks, by enforcing codes of conduct that leave women no choice but to fulfill their natural roles. If white people are going to survive, it will be in a world in which guys like Riley Reynolds are found dead in a ditch. It’s a world where Roosh V lives in fear of men, not in fear of women. When men on our side get that and begin to enforce a moral code on other men, the revolution begins.”

    No doubt here that the manosphere are enemies of Western Civilization.

    And, KidJupiter, are you trying to say that God was shining his light to the problems of the world via Roissy? That is absolute desperation on your part to somehow prove that He is on “your side”.

    Make no mistake about it, but “real men” primarily use game to live the Don Juan lifestyle with all the trimmings. What is the end result? A bitter man in his 40’s with plenty of pussy pelts on the wall, still trying to chase young tail with his favorite lines, but without the trophy wife nor prodigious progeny.

  94. I’ve been a lurker of Le Chateau for a year and a half now. The man’s work speaks for itself really. The process of de-betatization was and still is painful and tedious, but holy shit man has it been a wild ride. Same goes for the long time kkkommenters. The advice you all gave over the years was, and still is, priceless. I can’t thank you enough for I pray CH makes a comeback when the time is right. We need all the men we can get to tear this gl0boh0m0 narrative to fucking shreds. Never give up fam.

    P.S. Vid related is pretty much the experience of any man who tumbles down the rabbit hole far enough. Pretty accurate tbh.

  95. Allyn 71, sperg off somewhere else. You literally don’t know wtf you are talking about w/r/t Roissy. You heard he was a PUA, so you made some really obviously wrong assumptions about him (or simply lied). Next, you’ll double down and start projecting. This is why you get banned at places like Vox popoli.

    Also, re: multiple authors-Roissy tried that for a couple of months a few years back. It didn’t work so he went back to doing it all himself.

  96. Allyn71- I refer you to Saint Francis and Saint Augustine among many others. Why did Jesus seek out beggars and prostitutes? CH had a lot of married men on it who were masters of their houses and kept their women in love with them. The discourse there led to a reassertion of conservative values. Game is mostly about reestablishing the natural order between men and women. You really don’t know what you’re talking about here.

  97. Allyn 71- you gave yourself away with your moralistic screed above. You obviously seem embittered about the traditional definitions of manhood and therefore likely do not meet them but remain envious of them. You are another woman pretending to be a man.

  98. Stillcho, of all people on Vox’s site, you as a supposed Christian man ought to know better here. I would not expect Kid Jupiter to understand since he is utterly confused on this matter. And what is it with this ban hammer? Are you that afraid of having your world view on this particular issue exposed to God’s word? I would get a grip on your soul before mouthing off about my own.

    Carlos, the beggars and prostitutes flocked to Jesus. He is not anxious for the company of humble pagans; rather, he shows this love to His own selfish and opportunistic people, whom He is ever blessing and chastising with the purpose for repentance and discipleship. The bitter pill here is for you to swallow without applesauce how Roissy cheapens relationships and marriage. The hitched men at CH generally sought advice on how to juggle their wife and their mistress. Game according to Roissy and his acolytes is to divert responsibility, rather than take ownership, of their degenerative conduct in the guise of “reestablishing the natural order”.

    Roosh’s and Roissy’s constant harping that women are all tramps is simply an expression of the limited company they kept. And why is it that it takes so much “game” to get laid by all these ‘sluts’? Prowling around bars for fallen women is not “all women”. And most importantly, no traditional family will hand their gently raised virginal daughter over to a sleazy pickup artist EVER.

    Supposedly these “men” found the loophole–men need not be moral when women are immoral. This philosophy has led Christian men down the path of ruin, a road that both helped to pave. BUT…men as the allegedly wiser sex should make the “prudent decision” NOT to have sex with loose women or have sex outside of marriage. So those men, like yourself Carlos, whose purpose is procure as much poon as possible are solipsistic AND lack impulse control.

  99. I’m fully lucid, Allyn. It’s YOU who are confused, You’re lost. Get found. We’re here to help.

  100. Allyn71, I once was, possibly, more hardcore Christian than you. I then realized that, as much of a warrior for holiness I was, I didn’t really understand what this “grace” word meant, which is scattered so liberally throughout the Word. I asked God for understanding, and next thing you know, I realized that the then “current me” would have rejected the “new believer” me as too fleshly to be a real Christian. Obviously the “current me” would have been egregiously wrong. This sent me on a path of graciousness that made me become more like the forgiving Christ than the squad of stone throwers who condemned the loose but repentant woman at the well.

    Salvation happens in a moment, though the process may take years. Sanctification does take years.

    It doesn’t matter what brought Roosh to his repentance, it matters that he’s honest enough to admit it. For such a man I have much hope, and you’d best not become his stumbling block by being an arrogant ass toward him.

    CH also gives me hope. His latest trial might be the thing that causes him to recollect his thoughts and give him pause regarding his “Evo Psych” styled worldview, to realize that he owes all his understanding to the underlying Creator of such psychology. But the more he encounters Christians like you, the easier it is for him to fortress his mind against the Truth.

  101. Let me redact the “Christian” label I used above for Allyn. I wrote the above before reading the rest of his(?) posts.

    This one in particular just smacks of fake Romneyite sanctimony: “Roosh’s and Roissy’s constant harping that women are all tramps is simply an expression of the limited company they kept.”

    Sounds like sour Mormon grapes to me. Fat pimply Gamma (that he used “Gamma” to describe Jay made me throw back my head in laughter) resents every man who matched with a pretty girl. Using religion as his basis to undermine his betters. Rabbity AF.

  102. Carlos, the beggars and prostitutes flocked to Jesus. He is not anxious for the company of humble pagans; rather, he shows this love to His own selfish and opportunistic people, whom He is ever blessing and chastising with the purpose for repentance and discipleship. The bitter pill here is for you to swallow without applesauce how Roissy cheapens relationships and marriage. The hitched men at CH generally sought advice on how to juggle their wife and their mistress. Game according to Roissy and his acolytes is to divert responsibility, rather than take ownership, of their degenerative conduct in the guise of “reestablishing the natural order”.

    Nonsense. You’re a female troll and not especially literate as a Christian either.

  103. There is no sanctimony here, just the unvarnished truth, “Jaded Jurist”.

    I get it—you stand by your man no matter what. Noble intentions like a white knight, but ultimately misguided. The fact is that the more Roosh and Roissy encounter true Christians like myself who are neither hardcore nor lightweight, the easier it will be for them to see the light and change his immoral ways. I relish being a warrior for holiness given you and others here who are nightmarishly hell on wheels–as if calling me female has any observable impact in rendering the position I have taken as null and void. The problem is that you are using Jesus forgiveness to shield valid criticism of your brethren, and absolve them of perpetuating their wickedness. Furthermore, you are equating salvation as some sort of temporal plaything, one that can be chewed and spit out, then reconstituted. I make no apologies here for your uncomfortableness. It’s required that a cold splash of water on one’s face.

    Kid Jupiter, you might as well sojourn on to Pluto. You are way out of your element here. And, Carlos, of course you have to call me a woman and a troll, you know no other way. Perhaps you could start first with witty retorts rather than standard juvenile fare, and then work your way up to rebuttals which have a literary flair.

  104. But are you female, Allyn71?

    nb4 yeah yeah such questions in this format don’t matter because they can be lied on

    But it absolutely does matter, whom one is talking to. At least it does in real life. We all know this. So it’s not fair to talk with men, and not be a man but pretend to be one. We Men have understandings about, well, things. Particularly manly quest type things; which as it happens is exactly what you are picking a bone with.

    Actually though I couldn’t find much particular to disagree in your previous comment. However and at the same time: being judgmental on the life path of men, such as Roissy and Roosh, is dubious at best. Because the question, which you seem to miss, is who are they now? I don’t idolize either of those internet celebs; I do follow them both, and admire their work product, and agree that they have made a name for themselves and will be remembered, which counts for a lot.

    Every man has a past. Every woman has a past. And their pasts as such, are evaluated differently. It may be easier for a man to put behind his dissolute ways; such ways may do him less damage; this essential difference is a BIG red pill. It’s not fair to women but on the other hand they have their advantages which they milk as much as possible.

    For your information: the tone of your criticism is womanly. But I do agree with some of your points. I have always thought that the more blatant fuck-fest aspect was not a good path for anyone. On the other hand who wouldn’t like a nice pussy on his dick, right now. Not you, perhaps?

  105. The fundamental contradiction of valuing stable K-societies while advocating for PUA, has been pointed out many times. The tldr reconciliation is that we live in a world of contradictions. Tensions. Every man has to find his balance. I would never be comfortable living in a relationship and lying about crucial things. People who would do that are asking for trouble.

    The dating market is not a long term relationship though, and is certainly not a marriage.

    Right now, this very moment, men and women are having sex and they don’t even love each other. It’s a fallen world, or better put, a broken one.

  106. Actually, Allyn71, you need to sojourn to Earth. You’re really, really lost. Way out there, past Pluto and beyond. You have no conception of reality. Keep lashing out, though.

  107. “you stand by your man no matter what”

    I stand by no man. I need no man to make me feel like one. I judge each man by his merits, and I will tell him so to his face. Fuck off, woman.

  108. But back to what you said a moment ago, Allyn:

    “I make no apologies here for your uncomfortableness. It’s required that a cold splash of water on one’s face.”

    I do appreciate this degree of discourse. Let us hammer out the argument regardless of the discomfort it precipitates. I fundamentally detest echo chambers. Just rein in the sanctimony a little. It’s not working for you.

    Also, tell me: what is it about “Jaded Jurist” that irritates you so? I’m am attorney, and this shit gets under my skin. What else shall I call myself? Lame Lawyer Lad?

  109. “But are you female, Allyn71? For your information: the tone of your criticism is womanly.”



    Thanks for the laugh, Suburban_elk. Assuredly, my tone is masculine. I am a grown ass man. There’s no pretending here. But I get it. You have to try to find little ways to justify in your mind that my jagged message, which ultimately rips through your core whether you like it or not, I presented is rooted in the female psyche. It soothes your own butt hurt.

    “On the other hand who wouldn’t like a nice pussy on his dick, right now. Not you, perhaps?”



    Sigmas don’t brag.

    As far as Roissy and Roosh, I am merely pointing out their own dubious conduct. They are same men that they have always been, just re-packaged. Both hit the proverbial wall and had to brand themselves as something else. Their end result was to bang sluts, single or married, without consequences. Do you truly want to hang your hat on their “end product”? You claim that you would never be comfortable living in a relationship and lying about crucial things, yet there is tacit endorsement, at best, or open celebration, at worst, of such arrangements.

    “The dating market is not a long term relationship though, and is certainly not a marriage.”

    As Steve Sailer quaintly says, according to Who/Whom?

    Kid Jupiter, to quote a famous Alt Right motto, all your lies are belong to us.

    Finally, for Jaded Jurist, if that is how you argue as a barrister, your track record is no better than Hamilton Burger. Apparently your excessive piety for everything Roissy knows no bounds. Is there irritation on your part that I am cutting down your arguments at the knees?

  110. Thanks for the laugh, Suburban_elk. Assuredly, my tone is masculine. I am a grown ass man. There’s no pretending here. But I get it. You have to try to find little ways to justify in your mind that my jagged message, which ultimately rips through your core whether you like it or not, I presented is rooted in the female psyche. It soothes your own butt hurt.

    What is your “jagged message,” again? Have the courtesy at least to summarize it.

    If you claim to be a high ranking man, then quit acting catty. For the record, your posts are almost skipped. They are not poetic, they are not compelling. They are preachy. That’s why they come across as womanly. You are overestimating your reach.

    But let us stick to the topic, which is a criticism of CH. Do you have anything to add, other than bluster, which is tedious, and not believable.

  111. Allyn71 — this last comment of yours features the same problem as your previous. They are about you. You are preaching but I don’t know what it’s about. Pro-tip: a successful preacher, or writer for that matter, gets through to his audience.

    Your comments need a reread or two to try and get to what they are saying, and even then it’s like, “huh?” You don’t jibe. Your stuff is not compelling and or it doesn’t make sense. At least that’s how I read it, and others have said the same thing. Do you fancy yourself talking down to the readers?

    The floor is yours.

  112. “The dating market is not a long term relationship though, and is certainly not a marriage.”

    As Steve Sailer quaintly says, according to Who/Whom?

    This is an example of your argumentation that I am talking bout: it makes no sense. “Who/Whom?” is totally out of place here, and some implication or connection you think is a clever comeback, is not; all it is, is evidence of you being in your head and iow full of shit.

    There’s nothing who / whom about the quoted statement of mine. My statement, unlike yours, was straightforward, irrefutable, and relevant.

    Wtf are you even on about? You very well may have personal conviction in your life. Presumably that is what you want to convey. But if you think it means something in and of itself to the reader; it does not.

  113. And stick to the topic, if you can. Your style sucks. It is esoteric, preachy, and dull. I can’t imagine it finds much of an audience anywhere.

  114. Speaking of style, below is an example of arresting clarity by Elk. I wanted to say something about that yesterday. So much fog and complexity made clear with so few words:

    “It may be easier for a man to put behind his dissolute ways; such ways may do him less damage; this essential difference is a BIG red pill. It’s not fair to women but on the other hand they have their advantages which they milk as much as possible.”

  115. Elk: “[Women] have their advantages which they milk as much as possible.”

    “Arresting clarity” is the term. When you quit pretending we’re equal, it makes so much sense.

    Who else is upset that this information was so hard to find pre-internet?

  116. Suburban_Elk, all you are doing is mischaracterizing my style to muddy up the message waters. It really is quite simple—you and others are putting on a pedestal a degenerate and equating him to transformational figures.

    Again, go back to Z-Man’s quote that I referenced. (May 18, 2019 at 9:06 am). That is the jagged message.

    WIthout question, the message is clear. Again, I get it, you are going to defend Roissy and his ilk to the hilt.

    Introspection is a part of growing. I suggest you take a long, hard, honest look at who you are lionizing.

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