Hating Women

A compilation of quoted text from a “How much do you hate women?” thread on Reddit:

if almost all the women I needed to interact with had not treated me with disgust and disrespect, wanting to make sure I know my place as subhuman on the planet, I might not have hated them, but it would be necessary to remove all the bad memories of humiliations and aggregations, which were occasionally caused by them and by their social influence on their normies pets, all they had to do was say something and I was humiliated and beaten, there are too many memories to ignore and too much hate to be left behind, if I could I would put a bullet in the head of each one of them

Let’s see, for nearly two decades I’ve gone to sleep every night fantasizing about torturing women.

Just thinking about how much I hate women makes me hate them more. I hate them so much it gives me a headache.

I don’t know if I’d rather fuck or kill a girl. Both would be immensely pleasurable.

It’d be great if there was a girl in pain at my feet. And I could crush her head under my heel. Over and over, smashing her face into pulp. Unrecognizable as human.

It’s OK to hate racial and ethnic enemies. There are two kinds of such hateIn fact, if you don’t feel something icy and implacable toward them, something’s not right with you. Be assured that they hate you and they want you dead. It’s also OK to hate an individual woman such as a vicious ex-wife. But if you hate women as a category, pull yourself back from the abyss.

Liberal West is hell for us, paradise for entire categories of parasites. Is it a paradise for White women? SJ, Esquire’s comment gives a glimpse of what it’s like for a girl:

If you’re ever tempted to hate “women” as a class (God forbid one ever becomes as bitter as those incels, linked above), just think about how life unfolds for them, and you’ll probably find that hate melting away. Really imagine what it’s like for a woman: you go through life not understanding why everyone is nice to you all the time… you’re EXTRAORDINARILY susceptible to peer/media pressure, so that without even realizing it you put off the things that make you happy in favour of toxic behaviours that slowly poison your soul… and then one day, you notice that no one gives a fig for you anymore, and you’re invisible, and it was all a lie. That’s harsh, that is.

Confession: I like women. Girls were lied to just as badly as boys. Do you think that taking a hundred cocks, each new arousal dependent on a slightly higher degree of humiliation than the previous, and the deadening of every last bit of tenderness and ability to love made them happy?

We all could have lived differently. We could have lived in a world in which virgin marriage at a young age is the socially enforced norm. Women may well have felt a part of them contained by that custom, but I assure you that every last one of the ageing slags you see out there puking out her wine would have instead been healthy and calm and valued.

Many of us are angry. Had I known, had I not been lied to. Could have had so much more. Could have been so much more.

If you harbor homicidal feelings toward women as a whole, I’m not turning my back on you brother, just on the demon inside you. That thing is yours to kill.

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78 thoughts on “Hating Women

  1. There are at least three women whom I love: my wife, my mother-in-law, and my mother.

    Now having said all of that, the counterpoint is this: although, strictly speaking, I don’t *hate* the great bulk of women, after 10+ years of reading the Red Pill literature there is something I myself have not managed to overcome, which is a searing volcano of CONTEMPT for women.

    And I don’t really mean this in a good way, in the sense that PA has described an “alpha” attitude as “satisfied contempt”. No, my attitude towards most (but not all) is a decidedly DIS-satisfied contempt.

    I don’t *enjoy* being contemptuous – but when you grasp, and admit, and really surrender to, the idea that most women genuinely want bad men, without redeemable qualities; that women genuinely *like* qualities that I would call objectively wicked – well, this is something I haven’t personally been able to overcome.

  2. Not pertaining to the main thrust of this post, but women really are more susceptible to social messages. You make a prominent female character on a popular television programme a forensic scientist, for example, and more women enrol in forensic science. This tendency to be easily influenced is part of the reason they can be more easily convinced that femininity isn’t innate but inculcated by society, and, more generally, that many of the problems in society are due to social pressures rather than innate characteristics.

    I also think some of them don’t realise just how serious men are about things; they think being a soldier or being a CEO or a scientist would be neat, with little more depth of purpose than a child, not understanding that men’s sense of purpose—at least some men’s—is at a different level.

  3. Personally I like women; they have their faults, but I like them anyway. Like cats, which I also like. But then, women have always liked me too. I often prefer talking to women at gatherings, I feel they are more ‘on my side’ in a way, perhaps it is because with men there is always a sense of competition, a pecking-order to be established. I’m not a mans’s man.

  4. — I also think some of them don’t realise just how serious men are about things; they think being a soldier or being a CEO or a scientist would be neat, with little more depth of purpose than a child, not understanding that men’s sense of purpose—at least some men’s—is at a different level.

    Yes. This is why women’s presence trivializes everything outside of the home that they touch, why professions taken over by women lose their prestige, and why military units with soldierettes suffer in morale.

    — And I don’t really mean this in a good way, in the sense that PA has described an “alpha” attitude as “satisfied contempt”. No, my attitude towards most (but not all) is a decidedly DIS-satisfied contempt.

    Thanks for the reminder about the Alpha and Sigma “satisfied contempt.” It’s in the linked “Confession” post:

    My own disposition toward women comes from a Beta place on the Vox Day hierarchy in that I feel benevolent toward them but without the Alpha’s or Sigma’s satisfied contempt as catalogued in this list of Donald Trump’s stone-cold truths about women. I understand it, but I don’t viscerally feel that contempt. At most, I respond to their follies with patronizing amusement, and with pity (sometimes pitiless condemnation) when they make irreversible mistakes. My good will towards women also lacks the Delta’s romantic illusions — or anger when those illusions are shattered. And I have never related, whatsoever, or to the Gamma’s deification and the Omega’s rage toward women.

    Upon rereading that old post, that point still stands for me.

    — I don’t *enjoy* being contemptuous – but when you grasp, and admit, and really surrender to, the idea that most women genuinely want bad men, without redeemable qualities; that women genuinely *like* qualities that I would call objectively wicked

    It helps to remember that our impulses are just as dark. To rape, degrade, humiliate an innocent girl lies on the normal spectrum of healthy male eros. We are complementary that way with women.

    Women are by design submissive. I certainly have no use for any female who lacks the capacity to submit to me or to another worthy man.

    The difference under modern social arrangements is, that women have the license to indulge their own darkness irresponsibly, along with an illusion that there are no consequences. (The fact that so many of them don’t is credit to their spirit.) For us, the consequences to following our dark desires are immediate, clear and well in place: prison now, revenge from her male relatives in the past.

    Just like the Earth’s complete rotation on its axis includes sunlight and the darkness of night, so does human psyche encompass goodness and wickedness. Women were created with modesty as their counterbalancing instinct. Men, with honor.

  5. –It helps to remember that our impulses are just as dark. To rape, degrade, humiliate an innocent girl lies on the normal spectrum of healthy male eros. We are complementary that way with women.

    You lead me to illustrate at least two further points:

    1) I don’t believe that AWALT. I don’t. Or, if you prefer, I agree that there is a spectrum, but I believe there are many more women on the “nice, innocent, agreeable” end of the spectrum than the manosphere commonly allows, women who might need a touch of the authoritarian and who desire to be gently led, but who don’t enjoy rape fantasies or whatever. I believe this because I married a girl who is on that end of the spectrum, and her mother was on that end of the spectrum.

    But perhaps more to the point, I don’t believe that AWALT because *I* am not “like that”. It horrifies me to think of “raping, degrading, humiliating” a woman, and if I’m to believe that these are a “normal” part of male sexuality, which I lack, then I turn around and say that, correspondingly, there are also women who lack those other “dark but normal” female drives.

    2) Ever since I have started learning from the manosphere that women are prone to dark, feral desires (I say “learned it from the manosphere” because never in my life have I heard a woman express these things out loud), I have in fact had my own theory of male analogy, which is this: there are things, sexual practices, that a man will fantasize about, will watch in pornography, etc., but would be too horrified or ashamed to act out in real life, because he knows in his heart that they are wicked, unrewarding, and a detriment to true intimacy.

    I think the same is true for women. Many of these secret lusts that they have – to be beaten, raped, etc. – are the female analog of the male desire to engage in, e.g., sodomy or rape or whatever. These female lusts have been magnified and warped (just like the male lusts have) by a sexualized and pornogrified culture that presents them as good, but deep down inside, many women know that they don’t *really* want these things, even while they fantasize about them – just in the same way that a young man alone in his bedroom might imagine fantasies that he would be ashamed or aghast at wanting with a woman he actually loves.

    And so, I suppose, this underscores your point about being “credit to their spirit”.

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  7. They naturally live under the strained jurisdiction of the moon. Hold loyally to the sunlight’s vivid command, especially when night reigns.

    “into the strenuous briefness … i charge laughing … into the women-colored twilight…”
    —E. Estlin Cummings

  8. PA: It helps to remember that our impulses are just as dark. To rape, degrade, humiliate an innocent girl lies on the normal spectrum of healthy male eros. We are complementary that way with women
    I only stumbled across Roosh’s Forum by chance about 5 years ago and discovered Game Theory and the manosphere. (WN for longer). Before that I NEVER had such fantasies, but the process of “trying to kill your inner beta,” is a process of learning to think about oneself differently as a sexual being. Part of that is understanding that the desire to have power over women was (and IS) a necessary survival need. And I’ve definitely progressed along this axis.

    But for me, such fantasies are always tempered by mercy and paternalistic benevolence. I have come to accept that I can never completely kill my inner beta. I’m just not alpha (dark triad/ dark tetrad) enough to be the real thing, and will always be a phony that women can see though.

    I absolutely cannot rid myself of the paternalistic desire to nurture, care for, and protect women as they do children. The desire to be needed ultimately undercuts every sexual fantasy in the end. No matter how hard I try to imagine myself as Genghis Khan, deep in my heart I will always be Captain-Save-a-Ho. I’ve tried and tried to change and I just can’t do it.

    Esquire: I don’t *enjoy* being contemptuous – but when you grasp, and admit, and really surrender to, the idea that most women genuinely want bad men, without redeemable qualities; that women genuinely *like* qualities that I would call objectively wicked – well, this is something I haven’t personally been able to overcome.
    I also feel that way. In fact, this is why I have no motivation to approach women and is a major factor of why I am currently MGTOW.

    But then, let me ask you gents this:
    Is it the vast majority of fertile young women who are defective, or me? Mother nature knows best, so the logical conclusion is that it’s me.

    If I could gain pleasure from torturing and killing women as these incels claim, I would have no need to fake being an uncaring badass with game, as I would be the real deal; a genuine, Dark Tetrad Alpha awash in pussy. So how do I fault them for this?

    I don’t desire such things and never have, but allow me to play Devil’s Advocate. For an incel, the constant humiliation and degradation in an environment of unrestricted hypergamy has irreparably crippled his identity and value in himself as a man. He has been dehumanized. So if he is to come to believe he has worth, and is to learn to be at peace with himself, then it must be true that his humiliation is unjust. So if he is a person who has value, and therefore his humiliation is unjust, who should be punished for what he has suffered? On whom should he direct his vengeance in order to prove to himself that his existence has value?

  9. Is it the vast majority of fertile young women who are defective, or me? Mother nature knows best, so the logical conclusion is that it’s me.

    Neither.

    It’s the sexual market place that is deciding that the most darkest kali yuga man is the best bet for surviving offspring.

    The best way i’ve heard it put was a CH comment that said simply, women are looking for the dude who is least likely to get punked in prison.

  10. If I could gain pleasure from torturing and killing women as these incels claim, I would have no need to fake being an uncaring badass with game, as I would be the real deal; a genuine, Dark Tetrad Alpha awash in pussy. So how do I fault them for this?

    This is a lancing criticism of Game.

    My experience is similar. You can’t go around faking and pretending that you’re fresh out the yard and billy badass, if you’re not.

    A good percentage of White men have “doe’s eyes” and it’s just the way it is.

    Those doe’s eyes are the big reveal that women instantly see, and that’s that. It’s the giveaway that you are not a killer.

    The vast majority of men are not.

    Further, those who can fake being something they aren’t, are defective in another way. In a closed society, they would be cast out.

  11. Game can be defined heuristically, as believing in yourself and that you can do it

    It being whatever it takes to get in their pants.

    Getting in girls’ pants isn’t going to save the world, but it might help to make life more interesting.

  12. –But for me, such fantasies are always tempered by mercy and paternalistic benevolence. I have come to accept that I can never completely kill my inner beta. I’m just not alpha (dark triad/ dark tetrad) enough to be the real thing, and will always be a phony that women can see though.

    I agree with the first part of this. I don’t have an asshole bone in my body, and there’s no way I could undergo transformation into a monster even if I wanted to (which I don’t). But the second part of this paragraph bothers me. It’s not true, dude, that you’ll “always be a phony” – don’t buy that lie.

    The manosphere has done fine work, badly-needed work – yet, like any movement, it sometimes goes too far. Young men who are inexperienced, perhaps a bit awkward and autistic, are prone to taking it too literally. You don’t have to be prison-material to get a woman, lads.

    –Is it the vast majority of fertile young women who are defective, or me? Mother nature knows best, so the logical conclusion is that it’s me.

    When you’re in pain, it’s easy to think this way, but I reject this soulless, mechanistic view. My mind says this: a system leading to so much misery for so many people is illegitimate.

    It’s pretty clear from this thread, and a thousand million others scattered across the ether, that a lot of young (or not so young!) people are really hurting today when it comes to romantic relationships.

    But intuitively, we all know that it isn’t supposed to be this way. Something is Wrong. It’s not you.

  13. I know that a lot of men think women don’t get depressed, that they’re just bored. Depression is just a cry for attention.

    It’s not. I’ve had to scale back my reading on these topics, as my D/A cycle was in overdrive and I questioned my worth daily, wondering just when my post-wall melted face would repulse my husband so badly that he encouraged me to have a career and earn money so he wouldn’t have to pay anything when he left me for younger hotter.

    I’ve said it before, maybe women should just suicide at age 50 to spare everyone the hassle of dealing with them. Just men, children, and hot women to f***, until they’re too old, then they do everyone the favor of suiciding.

    Sounds like a good deal.

  14. Heretic – go (re)read the Iliad. You’re a Hector, nor an Achilles. You want to protect your City and your females and your children. And western man has always named his sons for Hector, not Achilles. Pretty manly dude. Not a bad place to be, I think. Just keep reading Heartiste so that your perfectly admirable desire to protect the child-bearing sex expresses itself in manly traditional ways, not pedestalizing, white knighting etc. also learning to recognize the women out there who are worth your protection.

  15. I was musing on all of this, and I thought about another reason that we should feel more compassion for women, which is how absurdly easy they are to lie to.

    I was thinking about this because of something that transpired today, and I realized, although I mentioned above how I lack any “asshole” capacity, that isn’t quite true. It appears that way because of my strong conviction about sexual ethics, but if that were absent, I would find it quite easy to lie to women to get them into bed. And they would fall for it.

    I mean, think about that. How would life suck if you spent your youth being THAT easy to fool? Terrible situation!

  16. @Chakrates:

    I appreciate this point view, straight from the horse’s mouth, very much. Nowadays one can observe, on female-dominated blogs, forums or subreddits, the way that women take for granted things that are unfathomable to men. For instance:

    wondering just when my post-wall melted face would repulse my husband so badly that he encouraged me to have a career and earn money so he wouldn’t have to pay anything when he left me for younger hotter.

    Rest assured, most men would never in a million years even begin to conceive that someone might think like this. And yet, women the world over will instantly understand what she is talking about.

    P.S. Please don’t suicide.

  17. Marc
    Naming your son Achilles would be like naming him Jesus – too much of a name to possibly live up to. Everyone can aspire to be Hector (a strong and noble name truly), nobly defending you city but dying in defeat, having your children murdered & your women enslaved. But Achilles was semi-divine, born of the sea nymph Thetis, and knew he was destined to be renowned as the greatest warrior who ever lived. The Greeks could not have won without him. For the Greeks renown or glory (kleos) was the best thing you could get because it was your only real shot at some kind of immortality. Achilles went to Troy even though he knew he would die there b/c first he would win his kleos.

    I’ve always been amused the muslims name so many of their sons Mohammed but then to be named after a mere prophet is one thing – to be named for a Savior is quite another.

    SJ, Esquire
    If you do not believe the darkness is in you and others you simply have not looked deeply enough. It is buried in the possibilities of your genes, descended as we all are from rapists and murderers and ethnic cleansers and blasphemers and adulterers and worse. The course of your life may not have presented you with the opportunities to unlock these dark spirits of the human psyche for which you may be grateful to God. But if you cannot imagine that you could have been in Genghis Khan’s horde or as a Nazi prison camp guard, or a Soviet soldier raping his way across Germany your imagination is lacking. The capacity for heinous sins lurks deep in all our fallen souls.

    Some women take it further than others but remember, 50 Shades of Grey was the bestselling modern book of all time. Read Judges 19 if you think things were ever any different.

  18. “Naming your son Achilles would be like naming him Jesus – too much of a name to possibly live up to. Everyone can aspire to be Hector (a strong and noble name truly), nobly defending you city but dying in defeat, having your children murdered & your women enslaved. But Achilles was semi-divine, born of the sea nymph Thetis, and knew he was destined to be renowned as the greatest warrior who ever lived. ”

    Without getting too pious or prudish about the Horatian question of whether Achilles or Hector were the better man, all sources are agreed that his line soon met a squalid end. Wrathful Pyrrhus slaughtered defenseless Priam at the altar, and whether you follow the story through Vergil or Racine he would soon enough be ignominiously dead.

    Pious Aeneas meanwhile, in that Latin fanfiction which has its own justifiable (if unfashionable) claims as the greatest Western work of literature, would found the undying glory of Rome and, by extension, the Roman Church and Western Civilization. We don’t name boys Aeneas either of course (indeed, few White people name their boy “Hector”). But he has claims to being the greater hero–as the gods (or their poets) breathe courage into a man by their own will, perhaps even the greatest fighter.

    Shakespeare, who presumably read Chapman’s marvelous Homer, was sufficiently unimpressed by Achilles that he portrayed him as a craven homosexual psychopath in “Troilus and Cressida”, who orders his men to ambush and rush a defenseless Hector, whose body he has savored for with sodomitic relish, and claim the victory as his own.

    GBFM(TM) in Heaven, forgive me! I say this not to impugn Homer’s treatment of his hero–who indeed was no sociopath, no mere killing machine–but to contravert the intimation that Hektor was a beta bux!

    Besides, the question is largely moot when we recall a point upon which all the poets agree and Paglia makes too: it was the soft seducer Paris who picked the choicest poon.

  19. @grey:

    If you do not believe the darkness is in you and others you simply have not looked deeply enough. It is buried in the possibilities of your genes, descended as we all are from rapists and murderers and ethnic cleansers and blasphemers and adulterers and worse. The course of your life may not have presented you with the opportunities to unlock these dark spirits of the human psyche for which you may be grateful to God. But if you cannot imagine that you could have been in Genghis Khan’s horde or as a Nazi prison camp guard, or a Soviet soldier raping his way across Germany your imagination is lacking. The capacity for heinous sins lurks deep in all our fallen souls.

    I actually agree with most of this, but to me there’s a large distinction between Genghis Khan and the Nazi guard on one hand, and the rapist soldier on the other. I have a personal fascination with Vikings, for instance, and I could easily see myself, under different circumstances, being a plunderer, arsonist, thief, murderer, etc. But sexual violence towards women is a whole nother ballgame.

    That sounds gay, like some SJW thing, but there you go.

  20. Yesterday I saw some television of a show called American Ninja Warrior. This was current network tv. I don’t know whether this show is a hit.

    It was in the style of those Jap shows where it’s an elaborate obstacle coarse for athletes to do crazy things in, and win points and money, and to a cheering crowd.

    But to make a quick story of it, the contestant was a young bearded White Nordic athlete, a real speciman. He climbed / jumped up an 18-foot wall in a heartbeat and made the highest score. It was some sort of record and the crowd went wild.

    Not to be all gay, but this guy looked every bit the Viking warrior, but more the quick draw type. Blond and shirtless and the perfect natural build, 6 feet tall and for sure a 42+ inch vertical jump. Durante says that the Nordics from whence the Vikings could typically leap in full gear and clear a six foot hurdle. [*]

    But the point, is that when he was given his congratulatory blowjob interview by the blonde bimbo sportscaster, he was not able to “game” her the way she wanted, in spite of his 1000+ T-levels and in the direct afterglow of his triumph.

    It’s hard to describe the dynamic exactly, but it’s her trying to get him to look at her in a certain way: which way she is looking for is the way of the apex predator on the prowl, an animal ready to take what’s his.

    But he was unable to do it, and like a typical domesticate American dogbreed, kept answering her insinuating tone with “yes mam”.

    That’s the same dynamic about men having deer doe eyes. Even the apex White specimens, are still caught in the estrogen web of Zoo Farm America.

  21. * It would be tempting to try and find that clip, from the show. He’s probably the current reigning champion. The contestants and audience was very White, the little bit I saw.

    Those guys are great athletes. To even compete at that game show level, requires maybe three standard deviations of talent, with an emphasis on agility rather than size and strength.

    But apparently the Nordics kept careful records of their strength games and trials. For instance the log carry was just recently matched or broken by Magnus whoever-tf.

    But some commenters expressed doubt that the old record was faithfully recorded and was not a legend or lie.

    I would think that if the record were of hard measurements, they would have been accurately recorded.

  22. “That’s the same dynamic about men having deer doe eyes. Even the apex White specimens, are still caught in the estrogen web of Zoo Farm America.”

    As my mother likes to say in every phone call or email: “You NEE-UED to get your ass on down here and . . . .”

  23. I was perusing the local Free Local Newsweekly Paper over lunch today and borderline laughing my ass off, dropping cake crumbs all over the pages as I had to order dessert just to prolong the mirth. I’m seriously tempted, as a writing exercise, to rewrite every single article in it. It was an endless stream of juvenile tripe by middle-aged Hwyte people.

    The editor-in-chief gave a gladhanding sermon about their move to an online edition, humblebragging on his “run-on sentences” which were not actually run-ons but just belabored and pointless (he seems actually to believe a “run-on sentence” is a periodic sentence or something else skillfully literate and lengthy) and then bizarrely wrapping up with a whole series of exhortations to a deific God who has deigned to bless us all with this rag’s life-affirming pomposity.

    A–oh f**k it, I just took a dump. elk, I blame everything on you.

  24. Southern husbands are damned peacocked and pussywhipped, that’s a longstanding fact.

    Not to be morbid, hateful, and freudian, but it occurred to me today how amusing it’ll be to see the changes in my mother’s tone when Dad dies and she comes begging for all that money.

    Back in the 90s she’d get me to call up the bank and pretend to be her husband, recite his ss# and transfer her a couple hundred bucks at a time. Eventually she decided the best remedy for what ailed her would be for me to play the same trick to the tune of “seven or eight thousand dollars.” When I refused she spent several days screaming fire and brimstone and chasing me down to twist the screws into my ungrateful, unfelonious head.

    She still borrows the occasional few g’s from my father, despite having passed the 30th anniversary with her present husband.

    Misogyny is a dish best served on crazy moms, not dateable minxes!

  25. Croatia are the only good side left in the world cup. now it’s the croats vs the globalists and their mercenary pets. maybe the locals will show their disgust at the anti-european teams and start tossing yellow tropical fruits onto the pitch

  26. It’s hard to describe the dynamic exactly, but it’s her trying to get him to look at her in a certain way: which way she is looking for is the way of the apex predator on the prowl, an animal ready to take what’s his.

    And hence my “contempt” for women. Like wat in the actual fuck.

  27. Lucius,
    I love your response, and cannot disagree without being way out of my depth. I will note that Odysseus (aka Ulysses) also was held in contempt by some of our Euro forebears like Dante & Tennyson as a liar and a sort of irresponsible Faustian figure. The ancient Greek idea of ‘excellence’ was a bit more expansive than ours where excellence defines merely a career and not the man qua man. Knowing how and when to tell a superlative lie for example.

  28. Chakrates: I’ve had to scale back my reading on these topics, as my D/A cycle was in overdrive and I questioned my worth daily, wondering just when my post-wall melted face would….

    So first of all, Heartiste and such are male spaces in a society where men have been more demoralized than at almost any time throughout history. To some extent, this is propaganda to increase our sense of power and value, as it should be. It’s not for a female audience because the vast majority of media our culture consumes is actually female supremacist. In our society women in general get too much reassurance, far more than is good for them. If you have the emotional fortitude and humility to read Heartiste, you are NOT one of the women who needs taken down a peg (and are in a small minority IMO). I imagine your experience must feel like a clueless millennial man at a feminist meeting. Know of the Wall and fear it, but it is a mistake for you to take it personally.

    Secondly, “Marriage Goggles” is a thing. Nature’s design and all. If you are with your husband when you are 80 he will still be able to look into your eyes and see the beautiful you that gave him your good years. The lesson to internalize about the wall is that A) if you leave your husband, the next guy will NOT be able to see the younger you, so your free SMP value will be far less competitive than when you met him, and B) Any younger women in your life that you care about are being set up for failure because they are not being told this. They genuinely have never been taught that Sex in the City isn’t real, and some actually figure that they can skank up the bar scene rocking Alphas in their peri-menopausal years.

    Finally, men are sexually different than women, so it would be a mistake to project your hypergamy onto your husband. If it really comes down to it and your fears come true, he is capable of getting his rocks of by having an affair with a younger woman and still coming home and genuinely loving you (as long as you are providing him some kind of value and are generally supporting him rather than sabotaging him).

  29. Suburban_elk: It’s the sexual market place that is deciding that the most darkest kali yuga man is the best bet for surviving offspring.

    The best way i’ve heard it put was a CH comment that said simply, women are looking for the dude who is least likely to get punked in prison……

    My experience is similar. You can’t go around faking and pretending that you’re fresh out the yard and billy badass, if you’re not.

    A good percentage of White men have “doe’s eyes” and it’s just the way it is.

    I wonder if my problem… maybe our collective problem as White men, is an overly safe society that protects us from violence.
    We are a warrior race and maybe we need to see combat to become the men we are supposed to be. Indeed, being unable to deal with conflict and threat is a supremely maladaptive trait.

    Esquire: My mind says this: a system leading to so much misery for so many people is illegitimate.

    Yes and no… while we live under an illegitimate system, most people, even on the Right, agree with the conditions that have broken the SMP. 95% would recoil in horror at the measures needed to fix it, as they don’t understand sex realism. While I don’t consent to these conditions, most men do. That means we have to convince them before we can justify revolting.

    Esquire:
    But intuitively, we all know that it isn’t supposed to be this way. Something is Wrong. It’s not you.

    That’s a kind thing to say, thanks. But almost all of us have room to change for the better. And it is not the “best” who survive in the long run anyway – but those who adapt.

  30. Marc: And western man has always named his sons for Hector, not Achilles. Pretty manly dude. Not a bad place to be, I think. Just keep reading Heartiste so that your perfectly admirable desire to protect the child-bearing sex expresses itself in manly traditional ways, not pedestalizing, white knighting etc

    There is no question that the K-selected instinct of a man to meet the needs of our women from whom he can expect offspring is admirable, and was a key survival trait throughout our evolution. But it is this very instinct which causes us to structure society so as to render it obsolete. Women (young enough to offer a family) do not merely no longer value this trait now that it is no longer needed, they are actively sexually repulsed by it. It’s the current year, women no longer need our protection, resources, and empathy. Merely our whip hand.

    So the trillion-dollar question is, do we restructure society to artificially force women to be dependent on men again, to fulfill our own need to be needed, or do we evolve to become African pimp supermen?

  31. Yeats’s anecdote about the old sailor who took up Latin and was reading Virgil, recounted by Pound in The ABC of Reading. Asked about the hero, he replied – ach a hero, him a hero? Begob I t’ought he waz a priest!

  32. So, the men who have done just that (encourage wife to career, divorce her, laud new wife as better) are outliers. I can understand that.

    The internet is infotainment, most of the time. Exaggerated types and tropes to make a point about something. Even Jeremiah Johnson lived enough to avenge the deaths of his family. We’re not islands. And I do have more faith than that in men, generally, as I’ve known many good ones: Grandfathers, father, uncles, brothers, husband.

    It’s easy to have your faith shaken when you realize just how little you mean to anyone. Except those who love you — I’ll return to that in a moment.

    Yes, women are easy to lie to. I learned this early and to this day I always suspect everyone (save one person) is always lying to me in some small way. It is hard to understand others motives. I find women do not deal straight with me, but men usually do. I’m not a genius but I’m not stupid, and in business dealings I cannot be tricked into buying unnecessary services, or paying more than I should. It’s the subtle social and emotional manipulation that flusters me.

    CH et. al. are actually invaluable reading for women, if they can handle it. Most times, I can, but sometimes I read something that screams real contempt for women. It’s those times that I have to remember: exaggeration and half-truths. No one knows anyone out here, not really. Grains of salt, spoonsful of sugar.

    SJ, no one is suiciding. I can’t, too much for which to live. Plus, God forbids it. I’m not so certain that there isn’t a small contingent of people out there who think that’s a great solution to the problem of unwanted people in their society (cf any sci-fi dealing with aging populations, e.g. ST:TNG “Half A Life”).

    I’ve been reading comments on these matters since 2008. I’ve read comments about how women are incapable of love, and so we deserve, as a whole, to be pumped and dumped. Do women have agency, or don’t we? If we don’t, then we require protection. If we do, then we deserve it. Either way, it’s trying to have your cake and eat it, too.

    The sexual dynamics are broken. Sluts poison the well. (((Porn))) poisons the well. (((Fashion))) homos poison the well. Divorce, BC, abortion; poison poison poison.

    Not knowing how to communicate might be the worst sin of Diversity Our Strength. No shared culture or understanding means constant questioning of your footing. Ouch

  33. A comment at CH a few weeks ago was about how a guy encouraged his wife to get a career and make money. Not an easy or fast process. She did, and he divorced her, but she was making enough money they could split without any obligations on his part.

    If he saw inevitable divorce, it was smart. We wily women of agency are smarter than that, though, and would have divorced before then. But he divorced her, and married YHT. He wanted to get rid of his wife.

    See, I’m Catholic and I am starting to lean Orthodox. Husband is not very religious, but his mom is Ukrainian Orthodox, born in Ukraine, raised in the Church, very faithful. She raised her kids that way, too, but they’re all lukewarm on organized religion.

    You just don’t do that (divorce). You don’t. But I see that vows mean nothing. Sacred is just another word. Neither males nor females care. They are animals.

    Men and women are different. They are make and female, but they are also men and women. There is a distinction, an important and fine line. Mere animal, or more than that?

  34. Elk, my kids love American Ninja Warrior. They’ve adapted their swing set, our pull-up bars, and Olympic Rings to be their own NW course. Our youngest wants a Warped Wall in the backyard; Husband is drawing up plans to build one for us.

    As for the Nordic… I saw his run. Spectacular. Most of the NW champs are white or high mixture. Even the few women who run the courses and win, are Nordic or high admixture.

    It’s the unrelenting politeness, with which we’ve been trained to play, that hurts. Men are too polite. It doesn’t equate to rude, crude, or evil. But deference to everything and everyone is neither polite nor civil. It’s similar to how churchians scream nonviolence while they’re being massacred.

    No one knows history or their place or their times, or their place in their times.

    Centuries of expected behavior breed complacence.

  35. As for the Nordic… I saw his run

    So it is a hit show.

    On the level of media criticism, it is interesting to note, that (((they))) might seem to be slanting some of their athlete idolization in a direction that is more fun and exciting.

    Go Croatia!

  36. Yes, women are easy to lie to. I learned this early and to this day I always suspect everyone (save one person) is always lying to me in some small way.

    I never lie. George Washington levels, at all times.

    Except when talking with women.

  37. I have been wanting to do an effort post on the meaning of truth and lies, a sort of logos versus mythos thing, but then it’s like get a grip

    The whole idea of a man who doesn’t lie, is very much a founding principle thing notion.

    The Great Gatsby. George Washington. Those guys both never lied.

  38. Suicide is a terrible thing. On the other hand, I don’t see it as the ultimate sin or whatever.

    For someone who is 100 per cent isolated, it’s a different consideration.

    No one wants to be 100 per cent alone. Except actually some people do. Most of us don’t.

    Antman Ed Wilson, the NPR fixture and swapple darling, put it succinctly. He said that to be alone, is to be in pain.

    **************************

    In any case, a person one degree removed from my close family and a a gen-x coeval, just offed himself.

    He had four daughters and was ‘stuck’ in a townie life in semi-rural flyover country, whence those in-laws.

    It is sad to hear, for my relative who was his close friend.

    ***********************

    The guy who lived four houses down from me growing up, I came to know him later in the AA-scene. Last year he died from drug and alcohol related problems.

    I was happy to see him go.

    He was neighborhood bully in the classic sense and ‘picking on’ the younger kids, including yours truly.

    He owed me a quarter from 1978 (when the debt was incurred, not the mint).

    In AA we were supposed to act all mournful upon hearing of his passing. If he hadn’t been such a jelly brain, I was planning on getting that quarter back.

    He was ‘good athlete’. Hulking shoulders and could ‘ride a wheelie’ on his ten-speed indefinitely. But like a lot of kids in this part of town, he wasn’t tough enough for his dad or something.

  39. There was a hustle among the high-trust nordic kids, back in the 70s.

    It was called Give me a quarter

    Sometimes it was under the pretense of I’ll pay you back and other times it was not.

    I was a classic sucker (but of course). The guy whose memory would be better forgotten, his was Jamie D______. He was driving golf balls off the top of the hill, and he told me he would give me a quarter to go get them and bring them back. Which I did.

    The world is a better place without him. Hopefully his family is dead too. The people who moved into his sad facade of a property have a pitbull themselves and some other trash tells.

  40. I am planning on shooting this weekend. Should be fun. I actually don’t care for guns, nor shooting, but feel an obligation to discharge the ordinance.

    Wisconsin. If it’s not north of eight, it’s not country.

  41. Chakrates: So, the men who have done just that (encourage wife to career, divorce her, laud new wife as better) are outliers. I can understand that….
    A comment at CH a few weeks ago was about how a guy encouraged his wife to get a career and make money. Not an easy or fast process. She did, and he divorced her, but she was making enough money they could split without any obligations on his part.

    If he saw inevitable divorce, it was smart. We wily women of agency are smarter than that, though, and would have divorced before then. But he divorced her, and married YHT. He wanted to get rid of his wife.

    I learned something today. Thank you.

    Currently, this man is an outlier. Currently, the vast majority of divorces are initiated by women, and huge numbers of marriages are torturous degradation for men perpetually struggling to appease an ungrateful wife out of fear of her dropping the hammer, for which she is incentivized greatly by the divorce industry.

    But behavior will always adapt to the SMP. Men always seem a generation behind before they adapt, and women always a generation ahead, but it sinks in eventually.

    Bluntly, we will see more of this as time goes on. This is No-Fault-Divorce coming back to bite them in the ass. Before long, such men will only be outliers because there are so few trad women who want to stay at home in the first place. Hopefully, it will help women will begin to see that the forces that “liberated them” from their husbands to serve their new corporate overlords do NOT have their best interests at heart.

    But there is something I must ask you to understand about this dynamic from men’s point of view. If you want to stay at home while your hubby brings home the bacon, I do NOT fault you for this, and applaud you for seeing through the feminist lies. Good for you. But….

    Feminism measures it’s success by outcome, not opportunity, and we currently are forced to live under their paradigm. Which means when they measure YOUR income against HIS, they say YOU are being discriminated against, and use it to justify promoting the woman who should have been MY homemaker over ME in the workplace, to make things “fair”. So I am being punished for YOUR freedom to choose to stay at home, by having MY (hypothetical) stay-at-home wife that I wanted to take care of, given the career I should have had to support her. Please allow that to sink in to understand the nature of the paradigm we are being forced to adapt to.

  42. The idea of women having violent rape fantasies is somewhat exaggerated. Women want a man who is masculine, dominant and who really desires them. The type of men who rape women in this day and age are generally not particularly appealing to women. I think most women might be imagining a really well built soldier or someone similar having his way with her, rather than a violent rape by a degenerate person. I personally would not find being really hurt or mistreated a turn on.
    Even so, I think men are better at enforcing morality for other men than women are. Men keep each other in line.

  43. Reading here sporadically for a long time but haven’t commented in eons. However, just read (and shared) this post and your last – and some excellent comments – with a friend, and then I went to Zman’s blog and he has an excellent post about the same subject. So I left a link to your posts at his blog and I’ll leave a link to his here – for cross pollination.

    http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=14329#comments

  44. “…and then one day, you notice that no one gives a fig for you anymore, and you’re invisible, and it was all a lie. That’s harsh, that is.”

    HOW CAN PEOPLE KEEP BELIEVING THIS BULLSHIT??

    Fair laydees, Ohh cruelest of fates!, Time Cometh for All When Thoust Hit Thine _WALL_… ;_; …
    Then..slowly – oh so painfully – realize that things wont always be so nice anymore ;_; For many of them, their awesomely privileged lives, which often resembles a fun ride at an amusement park for Daddy’s Little Hottie Princesses, isn’t going to be like it was.

    Seriously what the eff. I mean, OK, I guess I could pull some sympathy out of my ass for a semi-tarded level of awareness in a supposed adult of my same species that similar displays tendencies of children and the mentally ill.
    _________________________________
    Immediately I thought of places I’ve worked at recently and these last years. COUNTLESS counter examples. Things have changed. Some of you older PUA types…I don’t know.. Like when I read Heartiste talking about fatties not getting any. Oh really?) ANYWAY.

  45. ^Excuse typos. Late and tired, I am oh PUA pussy masters. Anyway I was amusing myself by humorously ranting a little. The women I’m always around are almost all fat and / or total whores and selfish shitheads and an argument for why women should be treated like really special, loved, expensive pets and also that maybe if white women must be treated that way in the first place to keep them decent then maybe white people aren’t so worth going to war to save anyway and god damn us all… In all seriousness though, if white women so demand their “independence” and are basically all feminists, more or less, and disloyal, entitled whores, at the very least, caring about their problems (or “problems”) is disgusting and offensives. They’re pigs now. They deserve to suffer.

  46. “without even realizing it you put off the things that make you happy in favour of toxic behaviours that slowly poison your soul… and then one day, you notice that no one gives a fig for you anymore, and you’re invisible, and it was all a lie. That’s harsh, that is.”

    this happens FAR more easily than most realize. these girls, our sisters, cousins, potential mothers of our children, have been taught to devalue themselves in relation to their own tribe, while overvaluing themselves to the benefit of, and in relation to, a foreign/invasive tribe. it was a massive brainwashing and biological warfare campaign, cooked up in the darkest recesses of hell with the purest of evil intentions.

    at this point, if we only favor wheatfield virgins and throw all the rest of our women to the wolves, then we are patently fucked. we have to bring as many salvageable women into our tribal fold as possible. this first involves letting them know that they do, in fact, belong to a tribe, and that it’s not the global rainbow tribe they were led to believe they belong to. they belong to the to the proud goy tribe.

    I can’t emphasize enough what an important part of our own healing this is. forgiving. we all got hoodwinked, big time. blaming each other for being naive and compliant is a path to nowhere. obviously traitorousness is a different story. I’d say the vast majority of our women (or our own people) were not traitors. they were just caught up in the manufactured, genocidal moment.

    now they/we have other options. and it’s on our shoulders to show them those options: that they’re worth FAR more as human beings than they were led to believe. the time is right, and at this moment it is fairly is easy to do. people are opening their hearts and minds to a new narrative.

    ONE person showing another the truth is enough. but it takes patience. it’s literally one goy at a time.

  47. Plumpjack, that’s my attitude writ-large as well.

    Saving people requires that these defacto matriarchies be subordinated to responsible male judgment. You may see these too: middle aged moms with hennish air of authority and misguided notions that their daughters pursue “empowerment” while humiliating their sons for acting like boys.

    Older women will also tend to sabotage younger girls with bad advice where they oughta know better.

  48. PA, that’s the battle.

    Anyone from even a half traditional family would agree with you. It feels like losing, sometimes. It feels like tasting fake steak is preferable to the gruel of waking life.

    This is why I say manosphere = good for women. We sabotage like Winter Soldiers, Happy with the power yet unaware and unashamed that we go along with the program. (Agency, non-agency…well, Satan exploited it, Eve ate and Pandora opened).

    People without families cannot, should not, rule. No stake in the game. Women should not rule. The Nation is not the private House. Even queens had counsel and they did well to heed.

    Careful plumpjack, you’re treading on manupmarrythosesluts territory. No, I don’t bear you ill-will at all. You recognize the brokenness. It might take two or three generations to make it right. And horses must always be broken despite their domestic origins. Diligence.

  49. — if we only favor wheatfield virgins and throw all the rest of our women to the wolves, then we are patently fucked.

    On the other hand, wheatfield virgins best be made to enjoy higher status and appreciation among girls their age. No confusing messages to the contrary, and no fake (thot) wheatfield virgins. We can tell the difference. Similar to married women over single moms.

    That is the case already, of course: human nature doesn’t just go away. The task is to expose and neutralize the lies that serve to inflate the status of sluts and single moms relative to better women.

    In other words, nobody actually values promiscuous girls or single moms, but messages to the contrary create just enough confusion to drive girls and women toward unnecessary self-harm.

    — This is why I say manosphere = good for women.

    Yes. It’s part of the AltRight, which is how we’re taking back the culture.

  50. “Careful plumpjack, you’re treading on manupmarrythosesluts territory.”

    some will interpret my willingness to help those who are earnestly seeking a better life with indiscriminate charity. I guess I should have explicitly said that there needs to be discernment.

    I purposely did not say anything about “sluts” or “marriage”, because those terms have essentially become meaningless. what I’m speaking of is the bigger picture of tribal identity. girls who went with the herd and squandered their youth in the race to the bottom should not be led to believe they’re something that they’re not. but that doesn’t mean they’re useless, either. if we don’t offer them an olive branch and some small role to play in the great awakening, at minimum, then they continue to be de facto members of the enemy’s tribe. is that in our best interest?

    there are many girls (“sluts”, if that’s your preferred terminology) in there late 20s and early 30s who would switch sides in a heartbeat, if the alternative was offered to them. and if this is facilitated by the guidance of the “responsible male judgement” PA mentions, then washing away their past sins is not an impossible project.

    since you mentioned “marriage”… who would be an appropriate mate for a “slut”, if there even is one? if “sluts” are pressured to settle down with a nice beta who plays by all the right rules, would that be a bad thing, assuming he muster a bit of pimp hand now and then, either on his own or with help from a friend?

  51. Totally off topic shit-post, directed at CH, if he ever gets around to reading this.

    His idea that he should get credit for the phrase, Heritage America, is delusional.

    That phrase has been around since forever. It was never even gone enough to need re-popularized. It’s like Sailer saying that he should get credit for the phrase “golf course”.

    Or Pedestal-man saying that he should get credit for the idea of people needing communities. Those are not original ideas thoughts or phrases.

    I have a dictionary called the American Heritage Dictionary. It’s from like 1985.

  52. I claim “lampposts.” Everyone uses it now. As far as I know it had not been English vernacular for political punishment. I picked it up from adults talking about communists back in the day.

  53. I hate women when they look at me in a way that’s like

    “Oh check him out, isn’t he something”

    If I were a person of consequence and success, maybe I would deal with it better. But after a lifetime of rejection failure and defeat, it’s sometimes too much.

  54. How does one, step up into a role of leadership?

    Fatherhood is the only answer that is familiar. There have to be other ways though.

    I appreciate PA’s admonition to lead, follow, or get out of the way.

  55. Two issues that sew chaos into this matter are the illicit use of the word “woman” to explain the vulgar dynamics and the reluctance to define “faggot” as “he who hates (white) woman.”

    The criticism of the faggotsphere is that “they” have never really been in the trenches with a “woman” (and certainly don’t have children). Yes, there is that collective of divorce-rapees with a legitimate gripe concerning the cyst-stem, but MGTOW was NEVER a viable solution UNLESS you’re a faggot, ie, you just hate (white) woman.

    “Sexbotics” is “radical sexual autonomy.” Ergo, “fornicating” with a sexbot is an act of self-annihilation. At best, this technology is a most precise piece of profiling equipment. At worst, “it” is a willing accomplice.

  56. I’m in a terrible spot in my life: 1.5 tears removed from my divorce, trying to get sober, alienated from a culture I feel has lied to me my whole life, emotionally distant from my children, so I just want to preface my post with that.

    Is it just the spot I’m in, or is there a pervasive sense of misery that accompanies the moment we’re in? I always score high on tests for empathy, but I don’t trust myself to honestly answer that question. Am I projecting my misery, or am I genuinely picking up on the fact that our people our suffering?

    See, I don’t hate women. I’m mad as hell as my ex-wife, but on some level it’s tough to even blame her individually. Everyone is responding to some nasty incentives out there, and the truth is she didn’t need me. I wasn’t a perfect husband, but I tried to give her all I had. But she had the capability of providing for herself, which turned everything into a competition: who’s making more money, who’s doing the most laundry, who’s bearing the biggest burden with the kids.

    And I have been around the dating scene enough to see how nihilistic that is. I’ve pumped and dumped quite a few women. It wasn’t personal; I know that some of them wanted something more from me, and in a sane world, they should have been able to demand that. But things are so out of whack that it’s just the way it is. Having sex with random women doesn’t make me happy – I want a nice wife who respects me, who wants to be a mother to my children. I will always need women on some level, for sex, emotional reassurance, but the fact that it’s not reciprocal isn’t really my fault. This is what women asked for, right?

    Or maybe I just picked the wrong woman which colors all of this. I don’t know, I just want things to be different. Life on life’s terms is not very easy right now.

  57. “I want a nice wife who respects me, who wants to be a mother to my children. I will always need women on some level, for sex, emotional reassurance, but the fact that it’s not reciprocal isn’t really my fault.”

    women become nice….like, REALLY nice, when you don’t need anything from them. ie, when you could walk away, but don’t.

    how to get there from where you are? throw out all unnecessary, debilitating thought processes and instead start telling yourself this:

    I am complete.

    make that your narrative, first. then add:

    I want to be a more powerful man.

    and…

    I will follow the path that requires courage.

    arrange your life based on these premises, and you will have everything you want and need.

    you are going to die. make every choice count. your time here is short. shorter than you imagine.

    get sober. just do it. you cannot afford to be compromised in any way in this life.. you need everything you’ve got. the bar for a quality life is high. like, wayyyyy up there, over your head. if you’re doing chemical warfare on yourself with drugs or alcohol then you have almost no chance of staying on the path. you’ll be on an endless roller coaster. up, down. up, down. no one will respect you. you will not respect yourself.

    the belief that you can ever let your guard down with a woman, with anyone, is a fantasy. that doesn’t mean you have to paranoid. it just means that your understand that life is complicated, that people have needs, and that, if you seek a moral order in your life, YOU take on that burden yourself.

    you should have never argued with your wife about anything. ever. you should have been pushing yourself so hard in all areas of your life that to stoop to her level would have been unthinkable. that’s how you keep a woman obedient to you. you muster all your manhood and channel it into something great and, if she’s lucky, you bring her along for the ride.

    it takes courage to face one’s situation honestly. bravo, friend. now man up and do what you already know you need to do.

  58. Chakrates: Heretic Phi is new here.

    No, I’m not. I post in bursts and it’s been a while.

    Of course I can tell I don’t need to be lecturing you about basics, but I figured this was a little higher level. Figured I was pretty smart for putting that diabolical trick of the Feminist Borg in context. Resistance against women’s lib is futile, because any women who don’t buy in are framed by unspoken assumption as being without agency and therefore justify more draconian measures against the rest of us. So middle aged women who don’t career up can now be blamed for young people not being permitted trad families. Vicious.

    Are you saying you think most people in the far right have figured this out? And here I really thought I was clever. Or was there something else I missed?

  59. Chase:

    I’m mad as hell as my ex-wife, but on some level it’s tough to even blame her individually. Everyone is responding to some nasty incentives out there, and the truth is she didn’t need me. I wasn’t a perfect husband, but I tried to give her all I had. But she had the capability of providing for herself, which turned everything into a competition: who’s making more money…

    Yes, the unnatural imbalance of dependence (which is the inverse of power in relationships) that White men are having artificially forced on us with our women is degrading and saps us of our will.

    I suspect one place you slipped up is by falling into her frame. So you tried and failed to be the “perfect husband?” By what measure, doing the dishes? Wrong. Failed shit test. Was she the “perfect wife?” by what measure? Making more money than you? Wrong. Failed shit test.

    Having sex with random women doesn’t make me happy – I want a nice wife who respects me, who wants to be a mother to my children. I will always need women on some level, for sex, emotional reassurance, but the fact that it’s not reciprocal isn’t really my fault. This is what women asked for, right?

    Oh, man, I hear you. I hear you and feel your pain so deeply there. But Plumpjack is dead on about this point. If you ever seriously went to your wife for “emotional reassurance” that is where you blew it. Not happening. It was very painful for me to learn this too, but Women are NOT designed to nurture their men. That’s like a mother going to her 5 year old for “emotional reassurance.” The kid will know something is screwed up and things will go downhill from there, because the mom will sense that the kid is weirded out and get even more needy, and ugh….

    So how, then do women behaving according to nature reward the men they are supposed to love by boosting them emotionally? What are you supposed to expect from women, emotionally, as a reward for what you emotionally invest into them? Yes, Plumpjack says you are supposed to be complete without women. But, wet holes notwithstanding, there is something you crave from them nevertheless, I know. What did nature give you that need for? What are you actually supposed to get from them to satisfy it?

    I struggled with this question for like a year before I figured it out. Around 2014 I think. Do you know? What do you think?

  60. Plumpjack:
    you cannot afford to be compromised in any way in this life.. you need everything you’ve got. the bar for a quality life is high. like, wayyyyy up there, over your head. if you’re doing chemical warfare on yourself with drugs or alcohol then you have almost no chance of staying on the path…..
    you should have never argued with your wife about anything. ever. you should have been pushing yourself so hard in all areas of your life that to stoop to her level would have been unthinkable.”

    So I’m sitting on my ass drinking a b33r on my couch in my underwear. And I’m thinking, “Chill out man. I had a long shift at work slaving away for my corporate overlords. I know I should be doing something more productive with this limited fragment of my life I have between the commute home and my bed, like lifting weights or studying, or something else that directly serves the Will to Power. But instead, I’m going to sit here and post on this blog, imagining these people an the internet are my friends or something who care what I have to say. And then I am going to get another b33r.” Actually I’m very fortunate not to be prone to alcoholism. I consider myself fortunate, not superior. But if I was prone to alcoholism, it would be another vice like w33d or something that I could control better.

    You’re right. You’re right. But I don’t know, man, not all of us are Donald Trump. A feeling of hopelessness really saps your drive.

    I think that the way to build your motivation to become a better man is by achieving small successes. Start small, then work your way up. We’re just humans after all.

  61. “You’re right. You’re right. But I don’t know, man, not all of us are Donald Trump. A feeling of hopelessness really saps your drive.

    I think that the way to build your motivation to become a better man is by achieving small successes. Start small, then work your way up. We’re just humans after all.”

    Agree, brother. Not all of us are Donald Trump’s. Moderation in all things, including moderation, and all that.

    From my own experience, my life didn’t start to make sense until I really began to push myself. And I mean REALLY push myself, and take full responsibility for every area of l my life. Then things just “worked”. No more apologizing. No more complaining. No more self pity. No more petty pecking order disputes. No more feeling isolated. All those distractions… They ceased to get in my way.

    I’m all about relaxation and enjoyment too, rewarding one’s self for small successes, but that’s a slippery slope.. People tend to settle for those small rewards, rather than enjoy the real reward of achieving their goals. Each man has to decide for himself what his life is worth, what he deserves. My own personal philosophy is ‘why settle?’ You’re going to be working your ass of anyway, so why not put in the last 10% and go for the gold.

    Anyway, my two cents worth. Have a great day, brothers.

  62. @Heretic Phi

    Oh I didn’t slip into her frame, I was totally absorbed into it, and never again. But how was I supposed to know that? My model for a successful marriage was one in which my mother was the dominant force of personality, but this was balanced with my father being a very successful lawyer. It worked for them, they are still together. And then I found myself drawn to a woman with a strong force of personality…

    Once I started lifting weights and trying to recover my frame, the relationship fell apart. She wasn’t interested in that. It’s just crazy to me that in less than three generations since 1960, we have gone from the traditional family and segregation to de facto open borders and tranny acceptance. We’ve run a gigantic social experiment based on nothing more than appeals to equality. It’s insanity. And Baby Boomers will never understand the cost; they got the benefits of all the institutions they’ve spent their lives collecting virtue-signal points failing against. And that’s what pisses Millenials like me off at them. Y parents will never be able to understand why my relationship failed or what it’s like to think about starting over with the realities of the current SMP.

    I did almost everything right, by the standards I was taught, and here I am. That breeds a silent rage, that will only build as my generation (I’m at the forefront of it) internalize that reality even more – women with no children, incels, Chads that have never had the experience of deep love. I’ve said it before, but all I’m waiting for his Donald Trump to say something like, “I’m calling on all American males to report to Washington DC to come retake your country.” If I couldn’t fly, I’d drive. If I couldn’t drive, I’d walk.

  63. — Women are NOT designed to nurture their men

    That’s right. Women are designed to please and admire men (specifically, one man), and that feels like nurture to us.

  64. A man going to a woman for emotional reassurance is comparable to mother doing the same with a child. That was a good analogy. Women do not want to be your emotional support person and they will resent you for it. It seems to us like you just want to be coddled rather than actually improve your situation. Also, you will get much better advice from another man (who has your best interest in mind) than you ever would from a woman.

  65. Chase,
    At that point, things were probably already too far gone with your wife. Start fresh with someone new. My guess is you will be a much better husband next time around.

  66. Re: this Michelle Wolf creature, it would be interesting to do one of those facial symmetry analysis things on her. She has the same one-eyed squint that Amy Goodman from Democracy Now has, and seems to go out of the way to emphasize the disharmony of her features with that hairdo.
    I wonder if such extreme variation of facial expression from right to left halves is indicative of some sort of brain malfunction, similar to what happens with people who have strokes.

  67. Henry Cavill was just forced to back down from some comments he made in GQ after he was subject to a crazy cat lady twitter mob. He said the metoo movement has made him wary of flirting in a professional setting for fear of being called a rapist. But that just made the cat ladies more incensed. Isn’t that what these people wanted? For men to behave in a completely asexual manner in the professional sphere?

    Oh no no no… what I think really got their panties in a twist is that an alpha like Henry Cavill has decided he wants nothing to do with women in the workplace. MeToo was supposed to be about keeping the short unattractive men, “creeps” like Aziz Ansari, from insulting women with their advances.

    Speaking of which, let’s recall the circumstances of Ansari’s “me too” moment. Ansari was on a date with a girl, they went back to his apartment, he asked her for a BJ which she complied in a completely consensual act. She much later decides she wish she had not given the BJ, and it was tantamount to a sexual assault. Oh the poor wittle pwincess just didn’t know what to do!

    Obviously, this is an attention whore who had zero remorse over throwing Ansari under the bus, destroying his reputation and career, just so she could have a #metoo story to tell. It seems these days, every girl wants their #metoo story. If they didn’t, that would mean they were never attractive enough to get #metooed. It also highlights some of the more unsavory tendencies of the “fairer sex”: tendency toward hysteria, desperate need for social approval, conformism, capriciousness, viciousness, solipsism, manipulativeness, shrill schoolmarmishness, entitled princess behavior, unaccountability.

    I recently had a female acquaintance tearfully describe to me her “sexual assault.” She got drunk with a coworker in a bar and woke up in his bed the next morning and couldn’t remember what happened. That’s it. Well, come to find out she accused him of sexual assault MONTHS later because she got pregnant, got an abortion, and her boyfriend broke up with her when he found out. Wahhhh! Despite having no evidence of malfeasance on the man’s part, that didn’t stop her from getting him fired by reporting the incident to her HR department.

  68. I don’t hate women. It’s really not their fault things have become so disordered.

    When women try to be men they go cuckoo because it doesn’t really suit them.

  69. I don’t hate women either but there is a type that gets me growling: the middle aged hen-clusters of de facto matriarchy who push their daughters to “empowerment” and viciously cut down their 3-8 year old sons when they get a bit too wild or exuberant. Some are lower-middle-class who scorn all men possibly because they happened to have divorced theirs.

    I was at a youth sports event in which I heard one such hen fire a loud “SHUT UP” at a little boy nearby, who made an innocent joke about everybody needing to do some warm-up or something. I shot her an icy glare and she caught it and wilted. My wife told me that the boy is her son. There is a strain of feminism that doesn’t originate in Jewish subversion and family-wrecking. It’s more a Nordic thing, rooted in castrating boys in service to female imperative.

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