Idle Thoughts On Music In The Public Space

Pop music is not high art. It is not Classical virtuosos, eclectic palettes for refined tastes, or subculture signaling. Popular music is mass-market recordings that have broad appeal, speak to the emotions of young people, and are occasionally sublime. They amplify a mood and — this being pop music’s tautologically defining quality — they are played in the public space.

Every year is The Current Year

In the current year, you ask yourself: am I too old to get contemporary pop music? After some thought, my answer is: irrelevant question, if you aren’t locked in solipsism.

Every era has its cultural artifacts, as well as its classics. Let’s use 1983 as an example. I was watching MTV and Quiet Riot’s “Come On Feel The Noise” came on. Anyone remember that song? My parents didn’t like it: “Where is the vocal talent, good lyrics and melody?” I learned later that as members of the Silent generation, they didn’t care much for the Rolling Stones back in their day either, but liked Elvis, Paul Anka and Dean Martin. However, also in ’83, we were doing a jigsaw puzzle together as my Pyromania tape played in the background. “Foolin” was playing and mom said: “That’s a really good song.”

She recognized a classic, and she was right. If you are perceptive, you’ll feel in its verses a dream-realm wonder similar to that in “Für Elise.” The point is, that Quiet Riot was an artifact of its time and as such, not only was it empty noise to older people, but it has also since been forgotten by its contemporary audience — early-teens like I was then. Yet every era also has its timeless songs. So, are there any recently released greats? Honest question.

Amplifying the mood

I experienced two contrasting musical scenes at different venues. In the morning, we went with friends to a chic breakfast place where the songs were either soft rock originals or excellent but unfamiliar to me covers. I heard “Nothing Compares 2 U” (cover), “I Wanna Know What Love Is” (original), “Against All Odds” (cover) and similar. It was one of those days when you’re grateful to be alive.

Later that day, we went to an outdoor ice skating rink where the music was current Billboard Top 40, I guess. Same crap that’s played at the gym. The vocalists sounded black but can you even reliably tell that’s the case, if you’re unable to identify Justin Timberlake’s voice? The music lacked the aggressiveness of Hip-Hop or the caterwaul of R&B, but one song after another sounded alike: pussy-begging in a flat high-register voice, modulated with Auto-Tune.

As the atmosphere at the ice rink went, everyone was having fun but the music was like a nearby buzzing electrical transformer: nobody paid attention to it. Hey, as a point of comparison — in 1983 when the right song at the roller-skate center came on, the girls squealed and jostled out onto the floor. No girls were squealing at the 2018 ice rink.

Light up the White Energy, it occurred to me. Diversity was minimal, the ice rink was bright with the faces of healthy teenagers. The girleens would have come alive to Avril Lavigne’s I’m With You. (Love that “yeah-yeah-yeah? yeah-yeah?” thingy she does). I swear, I’d use a more current example if I knew of one.

“Keep it tasteful for now.”

A word on black music. For reasons that are too esoteric to get into, I once passed through a town in northwestern Tennessee, humming Dwight Yoakam’s “Thousand Miles From Nowhere” as I drove. This was midnight, 1995. With a cigarette in my hand I searched for radio stations, hoping to get lucky and catch Bob Seger’s “Turn the Page” but instead, found a vintage Blues song. I left it on because the ghost of Nathan Bedford Forrest, who still watches over his folk in that little town, listened with me and because that recording, which lasted as long as the night, was a different kind of Clair de lune.

Blacks created enjoyable songs when appropriating European forms: Scots-Irish ballads became reinterpreted as Blues, marching bands inspired Jazz, church hymns were Africanized into Gospel. They had to be told to perform to White tastes, though. Indubitably, a dawn-of-rock-‘n-roll recording studio (((boss))) would tell his wild troubadours: “This ain’t a bonobo orgy, boys. Keep it tasteful for now. We’ll let you grind in a couple of decades.”

I like some black pop songs. For example, and let’s skip Michael Jackson as he’s complicated, I enjoy their Disco era stuff. Even if you don’t dance, you’ll move to Boney M’s Daddy Cool when the keyboard kicks in. The video for Kool & The Gang’s Cherish shows blacks at their best and the song is nice. Prince’s “Purple Rain” is a great song.

A life’s arc or cycles?

There are two ways of thinking about popular music. One, is that its golden age went from roughly 1975 to 1995, birthed in the Dionysian supernova of the Seventies, then through the Apollonian glam of Eighties’ pop and heavy metal, terminating with the Dionysian swan song of early 1990s’ Use Your Illusion and Grunge.

Or, popular music goes through an endless cycle of yin and yang, with each generation expressing its collective pathos in its own way. As U2’s Bono put it a couple of weeks ago:

I think music has gotten very girly. And there are some good things about that, but hip-hop is the only place for young male anger at the moment – and that’s not good. When I was 16, I had a lot of anger in me. You need to find a place for it and for guitars, whether it is with a drum machine – I don’t care. The moment something becomes preserved, it is fucking over. You might as well put it in formaldehyde. In the end, what is rock & roll? Rage is at the heart of it. Some great rock & roll tends to have that, which is why The Who were such a great band. Or Pearl Jam. Eddie has that rage… It will return.

Pearl Jam’s 1992 performance of “Black” at the PinkPop festival, specifically the song’s heart-ripping outro, is the howl of our generation. Millennials listened to Insane Clown Posse and Eminem in their formative years. Generation Zyklon will speak for itself.

White Energy

103 thoughts on “Idle Thoughts On Music In The Public Space

  1. Bono said that? lolz if I didn’t know better (if, say, this were a Heartiste post) I’d suspect the author was playing a little trick on his readers.

    I flitted past a PBS Newshour fluffpiece trying to gild the Whiteless Grammys as “more in touch with today’s youth”, tying this in with a trip to Harvard’s Hip-Hop– Center or Library or Archive or whatever they call it– where some jiveheaded jiggabo Africaness “professor” calls hip-hop the “sound of America”.

    Reality, of course, is that Grammy audience share plummets.

    [yep, Bono said that earlier this month. Different papers quote a different part of his full statement.
    — PA]

  2. I’ve never figured this out: is the phrase “hip-hop” supposed to mean:

    A) hippity-hoppity uh uh, word, yo–i.e. some kind of Chris Tucker style black jibber-jive, a salute to the fundamental nonsense quality of the genre; or

    B) hips be hoppin’ n sheet!–i.e. a promise that the genre is fundamentally party music, butt-shakin’ beatches b getting down on dat phunky beat

    I have to assume A), both because hip-hop is (in that protest-too-much downlow way) “aggressive”; but also because if the intention were ever B), they should’ve called it “chin-nod” instead.

    I’m saddened whenever I see non-blacks refer to “twerking”, even if only ironically, as though it were somehow a “fun” sort of social dancing. It’s actually quite astonishing how flatly “unfunky” twerking is– locked knees, thighs frigidly rotating so as to make a glutenous butt jiggle like jelly.

    I’ve been saying for a while that “throw yo hands up in da ayar” is just “spirit fingers” done vertically. Serial rapist what’shisnut complained about the “dead white pelvis”. I could complain about the dead black brain– but it’s about time blacks got the news that dey booties ain’t all dat lively like dey b cracked up ta b neitha.

  3. I flitted past a PBS Newshour fluffpiece trying to gild the Whiteless Grammys as “more in touch with today’s youth”, tying this in with a trip to Harvard’s Hip-Hop– Center or Library or Archive or whatever they call it– where some jiveheaded jiggabo Africaness “professor” calls hip-hop the “sound of America”.

    If anybody, academic or layman, would take on the dare of defining the current pop zeitgeist in this contemporary era of glut then i would have to concur with that ‘jiveheaded Africaness.”

    I recall peterike some months back posting a then-current chart of the pop top-100; nearly all who commented on it noted the capitulation to rap aesthetic, form and production; (personally, i have a sub-theory that says digital era and technology industry tools coincidentally forge that hip-hop essence.

    In any case, one could logically conclude that hip-hop is, in some form, the ‘sound of America.’

    But that still doesn’t mean that someone has to like it.

    FWIW, i enjoy your music-driven posts; i get the hunch you reflexively attribute social cause to pop cult and music in way that I just as reflexively do.

    However, it’s nonetheless glaring to me how you overlook or just basically ignore the profound cultural and historical import of jazz.

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  5. I often consume media made in the 80s. As the last white decade, it is quite unique.

    White supremacy even improves minos. That why they’ve fallen into the toilet since whitey lost his mojo.

    Keeps me white. Probably one of the best tips I could give to a WN who wants to “feel white.”

    Fleetwood Mac gets my vote for whitest band of the 1980s.

  6. — In any case, one could logically conclude that hip-hop is, in some form, the ‘sound of America.’

    One could, but one would be wrong.

  7. — White supremacy even improves minos. (Ryu)

    Are you by any chance saying this after watching the “Cherish” video? It’s worth seeing. While I feel no impulse to “save the minos” and want them somewhere not near me, the contrast between what they’re like when Jews whisper in their ear vs when they submit to White supremacy, is striking. The darker bipeds can either revert to animal (see my recent post about water sanitation) or accept White Uplift. I’m beginning to understand Thordaddy’s point on that angle.

  8. — “throw yo hands up in da ayar” (Lucius)

    I’ve always had an aversion to “simian instructions.” Makes you wonder about those crackpot theories about Africans being intelligent-designed from apes and Europeans from wild boars. Technically pigs, but these were domesticated by man, so boars make more sense. Our neurowiring isn’t congruent with those gestures. We do the Roman salute and headbang.

    — can we tie Polish nationalism with the Korean Renaissance?

    Just as I thought The Readership is tiring of my indulging in Polish themes… by the way, as I studied Korean culture, it occurred to me that there is a rough analogy between Russia-Poland-Germany and China-Korea-Japan. The template is the primitive “big cousin” on the Eurasian landmass with whom we have more in common than we’d admit (Russia, China) — we the happy medium scrappy folk (Poland, Korea) — and the weird, scary militaristic neighbor (Germany, Japan). Maybe that explains why I’ve always liked Koreans.

    The uncanny thing is, I once talked with a Korean guy, and he, independently, brought up that very same analogy.

  9. I agree that blacks can’t sing love songs today without much sex involved. They have lost the romantic angle, which of course they never had.

    I know Kool and da Gang well; “Cherish” is good. They never went full negro. Blacks totally degrade without white influence.

    Whites have lost so much also.

    You can really only experience it through music. NO ONE can do those old romantic ballads of the 80s now. Vast reserves of human ability have been lost.

  10. — Whites have lost so much also.

    A perspective when you have kids, is that you’re around these eight or eleven-years-olds, and all of his is so new to them. They have no idea that “Whites have lost so much.” Their eyes are bright, you’d be astounded at the volume of energy and dreams the boys are full of.

    At that age, the opposite sex isn’t even figuring in much yet. At nine, the boys are starting to “understand” that some girls are pretty but they don’t know quite what that means yet. Meanwhile, the girls are starting to enjoy it when the boys tease them, and they are already goading the boys to do so. The takeaway here is, don’t get jaded or world-weary. You and I had our time, it’s their time now.

    Really, the adults’ job, whether you have kids or not, is to help make things easy for them.

  11. I had the mispleasure of listening to Ice Cube on the radio, and his hipster favorite semi-hit, Today was a Good Day.

    Wow, talk about Peak Negro. That song was from about twenty years ago, and it was being played on a public radio station. The DJ was some youngish white guy.

    But yeah, the song sucks so bad. And somehow Ice Cube had the mojo (or whatever) to get away with making that crap song a hit.

  12. The Blues is a formidable contribution to world culture.

    The Blues is one of the two or three primary ingredients in American Roots Music and the Songbook of the 20th Century.

    There is no escaping that observation.

    The Blues kind of got ‘cheaped out’ (to coin a phrase). The real songs, as represented in their standard charts, are pretty hard to beat.

    Black Americans themselves don’t much honor their own contributions and traditions.

  13. Music is the primary ingredient to the Arts and Humanities. Though they all go together and are of a piece.

    Some people say that music is the only true art, but that’s not even exactly right.

    Music is at its core, ceremonial.

    That is a simple observation, and probably any good ethnography 201 course includes that as a chapter — but the application of that observation is relevant to the cultural problems that White people suffer from.

    I wish i could say more about it. But everyone is looking for a “meaningful ceremony” and everyone knows (in their subconscious at least) that such meaningful ceremony needs music.

  14. Sing with me now
    Sing with me now for the children

    The children of Rohan
    are going away
    the children of Rohan
    have turned into gay
    the children of Rohan (x2)

    Dance for awhile
    Dance for awhile with a girl on the grass

    The girls fair and free
    how they all want to be
    fair and free fair and free
    how they all want to be

  15. Jazz and The Blues are two of the greatest additions to the world of music in the 20th century. But without the contributions of Whites and j00s like John and Alan Lomax, the founders of Blue Note Records, David Axelrod, Creed Taylor, etc it is doubtful the two genres would have had the impact and influence that they did.

    Rap is essentially a form of novelty music, but there are people who have transcended the novelty limitations, such as Rakim, Wu-tang Clan, and Outkast.

    I’m a minor fan of Gospel, and my favorite record is by a group called King James Version, who sound as sweet to me as any Curtis Mayfield or Al Green song.

    Fun fact: Kool & The Gang started out as an instrumental jazz/funk group. I highly recommend their self-titled debut record from 1969.

  16. Ryu, Fleetwood Mac started out as a blues band!

    Also, their most important album, Rumours, was released in the 70s. But if you like that sound, I suggest you google AOR/Yacht Rock. It’s a very white, mostly West Coast-based music. I’m a fan as well. Stuff like Seals & Croft, Hall & Oates, Michael McDonald, Steely Dan, Toto, etc.

    What was the best/whitest band of the 1980s? The Replacements, of course!

    Or maybe Metallica, or Slayer, or The Smiths, or The Stone Roses, or Def Leppard, or GNR, or…

  17. I think much of the faith placed in Gen Zyklon is misplaced, PA.

    Those 8 and 9 year old kids are looking at XXX porn already. The boys are worried their penises are too small, the girls want bigger tits. …and this is just a start.

    Every generation is getting weaker and stupider now. That’s how it is, at the end of empires.

    Gen Z will be quite “woke.” But how about their attention span? The quality of their education? Their level of ambition? Their health?

    WN is being affected by the general decline also. The further back you go the better the material. The best being the earliest, by Rockwell.

    The rise in technology is accompanied by a fall in human quality. Totalitarianism is necessary for feminism and multiculturalism.

    Having numbers on our side won’t help if the Surveillence State clamps down more. It is getting so bad…not even the FBI or DOJ can GAWI.

  18. “Or maybe Metallica, or Slayer, or The Smiths, or The Stone Roses, or Def Leppard, or GNR, or… “

    Mehhh, I’d stick with The Replacements.

    “The rise in technology is accompanied by a fall in human quality. “

    I’d say that applies to the pop-music biz of the last 25 years.

  19. Black Americans themselves don’t much honor their own contributions and traditions.

    Sad but true.

    Current jazz performances average out to about a 50-50% b/w audience ratio; blues shows are almost totally white..Then there’s the curious lopsidedness of Asian representation in classical repertoire, in terms of both audience and performers.

  20. The one jazz performance I’ve attended, at the Village Vanguard, was 100% black on stage and 100% white in the audience (99% old, and us). An old black guy, it might even have been Ron Carter, mournfully plunked away at a multi-minute solo on his double bass whereafter there was dutiful clapping. It seemed like it had had its run.

  21. Bono’s quote is good. I have trouble telling one contemporary song from the next. They all sound the same to me.
    I recently chaperoned a high school dance. Most of the music played was hip-hop. Then the DJ put on “Sweet Caroline”. All the kids cheered and sang along.

  22. The point is, that Quiet Riot was an artifact of its time and as such, not only was it empty noise to older people, but it has also since been forgotten by its contemporary audience

    They are still playing that song on the dinosaur classic rock station here, KQ.

  23. Speaking of public space though — how is it that the “public airwaves” are in the hands of pozzed out private companies like Clear Channel (or whoever the fuck is the corporate owners)?

    And that is a rhetorical question: (((How is it))) that the “public airwaves” …

    I still listen to that station, out of a sense of obligation or whatever. Check in on it, in the same way that in days past someone might have watched the big match on Sunday afternoon with his family.

    And almost every time doing so, instead of being treated to the ecstasies of Quiet Riot or Styx, it’s The Shane Company trying to cuck me out and buy a diamond.

    Math problem 101:

    If the radio station is playing advertisements ex per cent of the time, when it is checked in on randomly for ten second intervals, does that mean that it plays advertisement that same percentage of time?

  24. This station which has the call letters KQRS, tries to be “deep” channel, but it fails.

    It fails to be a venerable institution. I don’t know how it survives.

    Selling ad time to The Shane Company?

    There is a morning DJ on their, with his Morning Show, who could have been a venerable institution. He was (like a venerable institution) — and that was 20 years ago!

    He still has his show, but the constraints that we suffer under, have cucked him out and made him lose his edge.

    He almost had an edge, for awhile. He would make jokes on the jews, for instance. Friendly jokes, but still somewhat pointed. There is a rumor that he is part jewish. Who knows who cares.

    As near i know, he didn’t have the balls to get on the Trump Train. And would that have been asking too much?


    One good song that station did play, was Bob Seeger’s Greasy Lake.

    Who wants to go to Fire Lake?
    Who wants to ride the chrome three-wheeler
    Who wants to go see Uncle [what’s-his name]?

  25. Youtubing that song might be a mistake.

    It won’t match the mood that it fit, then at that time. (of course it never does)

    But the theme of that song and those lyrics, was really well expressed by Mr Seeger, who was quite the poet.

    It’s the theme of things are already being lost. [*] When did you last go to Fire Lake, when did you last take out that old chrome three-wheeler? (for the kids, a chrome three-wheeler is a motorcycle)

    I see so many neighbors with boats in the driveways, and how many of them get taken out?

    * That’s not the only theme, but it’s a big one.

  26. — I think much of the faith placed in Gen Zyklon is misplaced (Ryu)

    One shouldn’t have excessive faith in anything of the material world. At the same time, there is a balance to be found between defeatism and Pollyanna. Anyone can slip into a habit of reflexively countering any expression of initiative or possibility with a deflating litany of problems that everyone here is already well aware of. Such a habit creates an atmosphere in which initiative is stillborn, which is why JIDF trolls do it on purpose.

    — I recently chaperoned a high school dance. Most of the music played was hip-hop. Then the DJ put on “Sweet Caroline”. All the kids cheered and sang along (Lara)

    I’ve told a similar story before but it’s always worth repeating: we were once at a sports bar/restaurant where a DJ set up shop and proceeded to play nothing but hip-hop. The mostly-young crowd ignored it (like in the original post’s description of the Top 40 that was being played at the ice skating rink) but then the opening notes of Journey’s “Faithfully” came on and everyone visibly lit up.

    The practice of playing hiphop at our social venues is anti-White psyops. When at kid functions, it is child abuse. With teenagers and older, it’s cultural carbon monoxide and you see it in their faces when they pick up on real oxygen.

    I also noticed that Nikcrit in his first comment upstream didn’t miss a chance to gloat, which is the only way his curious word choice “capitulation” can be read and which is consistent with his commentary record. He’s socially calibrated enough to not do it boastfully like Obsidian, but it’s all the same.

    Some people are cognitively equipped to follow an existing social tend to its expected destination, which itself is a myopic guide. But more people than you’d expect can’t even do that and instead, they see the here-and-now as a condition of life forever.

  27. I also noticed that Nikcrit in his first comment upstream didn’t miss a chance to gloat, which is the only way his curious word choice “capitulation” can be read and which is consistent with his commentary record.

    The word choice of ‘capitulation’ was to convey the thought that current rap predominance was not so much an authentic feeling from the volk, but more the result of mediated and commercialized politicization, e.g., p.c. culture.IOW: I was seconding a common observation and complaint registered at neo-right websites like this.

    BTW: I’m 50 years old, dude. I feel no inclination to “gloat” over the fact that Nikki Minaj sells more albums than Pearl Jam these days. I mean, WTF?

  28. Rap and hip-hop is what is primarily played at my gym. I don’t love it, but I’m there to exercise, not listen to music. Every once in a while a rock-n-roll song will play and inevitably someone will say “good song” or start singing along.

  29. Part of the issue is that white people have actual taste in music. That means whites have varied consumption habits across a spectrum in music and they really don’t have a medium that satisfies all of their disparate musical interests – and that leaves a big void to be filled by “muzack” and the new amalgamated hip hop/R&B/pop bullsh*t you hear on radio.

    Young blacks and hispanics listen to hip hop. And that’s it. Younger blacks have ZERO desire to even bother with live instrumentation any more, it simply doesn’t matter to them.

    If you want to go party somewhere that is always free 100% of hip hop you can go to one place – Las Vegas. You won’t hear it anywhere, not at the strip club, the casino or even the craziest celebrity-filled nightclubs that have a $250 cover charge and a floor openly full of drug use.

    Think long and hard as to why and the reason $$$ should be clear to you.

  30. My opinion of Quiet Riot dropped a lot years later when I learned that “Cum on Feel the Noise” was a remake of a much earlier song by a different British group.

  31. “Cum on Feel the Noize” was written by Slade, who are huge in the UK but relatively unknown over here. Their song “Merry Xmas Everybody” is one of the most popular Christmas songs in the UK. Slade started out as a skinhead band but morphed into one of the first glam rock bands, and were a massive influence on the later glam rockers of the 1970s and 80s. Their 1972 album entitled Slayed is probably their best gateway album

    Randy Rhoads was one of the founders of Quiet Riot, but he left to play guitar for Ozzy Osbourne. He was already dead by the time Quiet Riot’s “Cum on Feel the Noize” was released.

  32. — Or maybe Metallica, or Slayer, or The Smiths, or The Stone Roses, or Def Leppard, or GNR, or… (Lothar)

    Never heard of The Stone Roses so I just checked them out, and something reminded me about Gene Loves Jezebel. “Gorgeous” was one of those songs that had an electrifying effect when I first heard it.

    Another from that sort-of obscure Brit-glam style of late ’80s is The Alarm, “Rain in the Summertime” having that je ne sais quoi. Modern English “Melt With You” is the best known hit of that sub-sub-genre, at least in my shamelessly amateur-musicologist estimation.

  33. Ryu:“I know Kool and da Gang well; “Cherish” is good. They never went full negro.”

    R&B was ruined when it fused with rap. Prior to that pretty much all R&B stars came through the filter of the church, but no such restraint after that.

    I still remark on the clarity of voice and pretty unquestionable talent of a lot of the old R&B stars:

    BTW, this is what hip hop has become – mumble rap. @PA if you remove these I will understand, but I wonder if the panel here (even Nickrit the school administrator) really comprehends what kids are listening to on the “cutting edge” of hip hop today:

  34. PA, you’re absolutely right about how people light up when rock comes on. Or Euro EDM made by white DJs. Tiesto and Aviici are popular Nordic DJs who produce tracks that take me to another level.

    I teach group fitness classes, a wide variety of them. Some of them are slow and involve stretching and relaxation, some are HIIT and require hard, fast songs. The hip-hop tracks are only so so on the motivation/connection scale. In a group fitness setting, connection to the music is important to connecting with the workout. But when a rock song comes on, the participants are noticeable more in tune with the workout, it’s rhythm, and pace. They seem to sweat more, challenge themselves to work harder or try a higher level variation of a movement.

    The Zumba chicks like to strut around like a bunch of Latina pole dancers but that’s their thing. An hour to feel sexy, I guess. It’s not my cuppa. There was a hip-hop themed class at my gym for awhile. It didn’t last two months. No one showed up, despite having a well respected and liked instructor. Media hype about hip hops hold on white youth, whites in general, is overblown. It doesn’t resonate or motivate.

    Rock isn’t dead, it’s in limbo. The Foo Fighters are great. I’m out of the music scene since I’m an old lady with kids now, and I don’t go to small shows to see up and coming bands, but I’m certain the renaissance of rock is going on in a garage right under our noses.

  35. RE. the tone and rhetoric of last night’s Grammy awards and all the scripted hoopla set to placate recent ‘metoo’ and other en vogue social conceits; it’s unbelievable how silly and stupid were much of the rants and routines during the ceremony.

    From the article:
    Then Kesha sang “Praying,” her ballad of anger and redemption, surrounded by women all in white, including the singers Cyndi Lauper, Camila Cabello, Julia Michaels and Andra Day and the Resistance Revival Chorus, a collective of women who sing protest songs. Kesha became pop’s symbol of the fight against sexual assault when, in a 2014 lawsuit, she accused her producer, Dr. Luke, of inflicting years of abuse. (Dr. Luke, whose real name is Lukasz Gottwald, in turn accused Kesha of fabricating the story in an attempt to escape her recording contracts.)

    Her voice breaking, Kesha sang “You brought the flames and you put me through hell,” and “When I’m finished, they won’t even know your name.”

    As she finished, she held back tears and the choir gathered around her in a group embrace.

    GMAFB! That reads like parody to me. I might be willing to wager that ‘Dr. Luke’ and Kesha have made a covert feud for the sake of sales and publicity.

  36. I grew up with some rockers and rappers; a few made the charts, whatever that still means. I’ve lost touch with about all of them. Cocaine “habit” growing up — but my numbing mazes of youthful optimism were even further surged by, say, the prolific D & A Scarlatti than the somewhat similarly drugged Obie Trices, the strung-out Alice In Chains, my clan were bumping to. I would say pop is still alive and kickin’, albeit with spasmodic stilts rather than its traditional silvery legs, in some scattered extremely-energetic contexts. But nothing may ever beat doing lines to “Heart of Glass” on repeat at 17 in the South’s ever-whitening amity, after adequately pregaming with Liszt and Debussy…

  37. I don’t have time to say much right now, but wanted to drop of this little power trio of young New Jersey rockers. They kick some ass, old school style.

  38. Ok peterike I’m in. I’m from NJ, went to school at RU and probably saw them play at some venue or other from ‘06 on.

    I like it. I’ll be on the lookout for any hometown shows they play, I still live here. Live music was something I lived for as a teen/twenty something. Maybe it’s time to get the kids out for some good stuff rather than the pop-crap they hear all day.

    I didn’t inherit it, but musical talent runs in both sides of my family. My dad plays guitar, as do his brothers, my brother, my sister. My middle child shows some talent with string instruments. Time to develop it, skip the academic trap.

  39. Amazing timing. I listen these days to virtually nothing but house music with some melodic trance mixed in, some minimal/dub techno when all I want is something to take the quiet away.

    Yet this afternoon I chose to listen to my 80s mix. “Soldier Blue” by The Cult is on at the moment. Now there’s some angry guitar music that’s still had some composing genius applied.

    Aw shit, Roxette just came on. Gotta go.

  40. I remember noticing a DISTINCT shift in pop music in 1989. 1988 was the year of Rick Astley, INXS, Belinda Carlisle. Even the Blacks sang normal music, e.g. Whitney Houston. The most Ebonic-sounding song of year was Don’t Worry, Be Happy.

    1989 soiled itself with Milli Vanilli, Bobby Brown, Paula Abdul, and, God have mercy on us, Tone Loc. In 1989 Pop music was raped by dindus, and instead of demanding justice, the West simply cucked.

    It went downhill from there, rapidly. 1990 introduced the proto-SJW anthem “Another Day in Paradise” and pop music was officially over.

  41. More good news from the Nationalism front – Finland has a far-right, immigration-restrictionist party gaining small momentum:

    They’re only polling at 6% – but Finland has virtually ZERO migrants so far. Even the ones that they agree to accept hate it there and basically walk to Sweden. This is a trend building momentum in Europe – in a reverse of the USA, it is the younger generation that is more conservative and more anti-immigration.

    Laura Huhtasaari, the presidential candidate for the eurosceptic Finns Party, has vowed to take Finland out of the EU and tighten immigration rules if elected. Criticising Brussels, she told supporters at the weekend: “If I become president, I will defend Finland and the interests of Finns.”

    And she’s a she!! And she openly says she “admires” Donald Trump!!

  42. I more or less remember the Eighties to Nineties transition along this divergence:

    Pop went black. That in itself wasn’t anything new, as early ’80s had plenty of black Top 40 artists. Michael Jackson or course, along with late Disco acts and others. Many mainstream US and UK acts had black band-members. The difference is, that all of that was done to our aesthetic. But in the early ’90s, like you said: Milli Vanilli, Bobby Brown, Paula Abdul. And Mariah Carey who popularized whatever you call that vocal note bending. Boyz II Men sold mudsharking. There were also lots of forgettable novelty rap acts (Kriss Kross, Bel Biv Devoe, MC Hammer) but some were kind of fun in small doses.

    College Rock went big. It was called “alterntive rock” and its big names were REM, 10,000 Maniacs, proto-Lilith Fair bands of which many were quite good (Melissa Etheridge first several albums are excellent), and other progressive-attitude MTV darlings. The giant of that current was U2, who delivered what may well be my all time favorite album — Achtung Baby.

    A kind of subset to the above was what I call “smart set” Brit Glam I mentioned up-thread (Gene Loves Jezebel, Modern English) along with The Smiths and The Cure.

    Hair Band Rock Matured. The sub-genre was on its way out, but 1989-1992 had a lot of really good songs in that style. Metallica, Poison and Motley Crue went mainstream. Lots of really good one-hit-wonders and otherwise obscure hard-rock bands like Kix, Steelheart, Winger (Mike Judge was unfair), Tesla, Damn Yankees, and others from the Headbanger’s Ball set. GNR’s “Use Your Illusion” albums were the supernova.

    GRUNGE, of course. At first, it was lumped in with “alternative rock” like REM and later referred to as “Seattle Sound” but it was soon after that recognized as its own genre. The early rockers had no idea they were revolutionizing music; they thought they were doing Punk or Metal.

    Rap (or gangsta rap) but beyond once listening to a 2 Live Crew and an NWA album, I don’t know much about that.

  43. Vox Day summed up the recording industry/Grammies as “pedos, minstrels, and whores” — which nails it. A commenter in that thread wrote:

    My daughter, age 4, likes Iron Maiden, Avenged Sevenfold and Bon Jovi. Hates what she calls “robot music” (dindus using autotune).

    “Robot music” a perfect term for the stuff I hear at the gym.

  44. “Gangster rap” didn’t go fully 100% mainstream until “The Chronic” by Dr. Dre in 1992. After that all of the black dysfunction and materialism that had crept into rap over the preceding 5 years then became pop normalcy. Before that you had a few wiggers or rebellious white kids who might listen to NWA or Public Enemy but it didn’t cross over that widely just yet – meaning with the key consumer $$ demographic of white pre-teen girls.

    The 2 later songs that made “Muzak” the background noise standard for white teenyboppers were “Waterfalls” by TLC and “Crossroads” by Bone Thugs about 1-2 years later.

    Then rap took an even worse turn in the late 90’s when it completely left NYC in favor of the West Coast and Atlanta – New York City rappers always made some effort to maintain at least some air of civilization/refinement and a desire to come off as educated and dapper instead of the booty and non-stop materialism that came from other regions.

  45. — melodic trance mixed in, some minimal/dub techno

    I loved Trance/Techno in the late 1990s. Those were my go-to CDs on longer night drives, along with Mozart’s “Requiem.”

    — Euro EDM

    Checked some out. Pretty good.

  46. Speaking of “Come on Feel the Noise,” that reminds me of one of the great songwriter/musicians currently active, Sufjan Stevens. His rather remarkably titled “Come On! Feel the Illinoise! (Part I: The World’s Columbian Exposition – Part II: Carl Sandburg Visits Me in a Dream)” is a contemporary masterpiece. Musically its complex and wonderful (with great drumming), kind of like a hipster version of prog rock. And amazingly, the song celebrates one of the greatest moments in American history, namely the Columbian Exposition in Chicago. And it’s also full of Stevens’ usual references to God as well.

    I can’t make heads or tails of the lyrics without help, and they matter, so if you want to hear it go here, follow the words, and the link at the top will get you the music. It’s better loud.

  47. Camlost’s referring to much contemporary music being an amalgamation of R&B/hip-hop/pop is a good description. There are some memorable hip-hop songs. All the ones I can think of are at least 20 years old. Most of what I hear on popular radio stations today is boring.

  48. With his recent success at the Grammys, it has been cemented that Bruno Mars is currently the biggest pop star on the planet. His big single, “24k Magic” is modeled around the rhythm track from “Cutie Pie” by One Way (1982). The song also borrows heavily from Roger Troutman and Zapp. Run it through some 21st Century studio technology and you have a winner. It’s not like young millennials have any idea who Roger Troutman is anyway. This stuff is all new to them.

    His previous single, “Uptown Funk,” sounded like a Morris Day & The Time B-Side. And his current single with Cardi B., who has replaced Nicki Minaj as the current “it” girl, is straight out out 1992-era New Jack Swing.

    PA, I’m surprised you didn’t mention Taylor Swift for current pop. She is the darling of the Alt-Right after all, or whatever you want to call it these days. And her music isn’t half bad either.

  49. You’re right about Taylor Swift, definitely an omission on my part to overlook her. Good music, Grunge influence on her verses-chorus guitars sound.

  50. INXS still makes my playlist. Saw them live a few times, my parents weren’t shy of taking us to see live music. Saw Floyd and Wings, Guns and Roses, Metallica, so many bands in venues large and small.

    It was formative in important ways. I rebelled a bit, but it sorta was expected and my parents took it in stride and I turned out ok. Maybe some indulgence in the alt-stream before it becomes mainstream is prophylactic.

  51. @ Peterike – I guess the talk of your “retirement” was overblown?

    They keep pulling me back in!

    No, I’m trying to stop. I’ve managed to totally stop commenting at Lion of the Blogosphere, where I used to be a regular, and at a few other places here and there. I’m still trying to get over my Sailer addiction, but it’s difficult. And now and again PA pulls me in, though I’m doing less here than before. I’ll get there!

  52. @ Lothar – you’re right, the late Roger Troutman’s music has been cannibalized and mainstreamed into pop/hip hop by many who give give no credit to his methods or ideas.

    Curtis Mayfield’s music was also bastardized, stolen and corrupted in the same ungrateful way.

  53. I saw a Banksy exhibit yesterday which was interesting enough despite the semi-antifa vibe he has. One thing i noticed was the music being played was almost 100% 90s/early 00s britpop with I think only 1 black song in the mix. Nice contrast.

  54. Bruno Mars, FML.

    Years ago I used to hear the chorus “sometimes I feel like I’ve been locked out of heaven, for so loeoeoeowong” in the background when I visited venues where they played music in the background. At the time, not knowing the singer, I thought to myself, “I like this chick. She can really belt it out in that husky kinda voice.”

    When I learned the singer was a brown male midget, and the lyrics included “your sėx takes me to Paradise”, I wanted to barf. Nobody wants to picture a little Pinay having sex with anything, least of all a human woman.

  55. “It’s not like young millennials have any idea who Roger Troutman is anyway. This stuff is all new to them.”
    Well, ii be that the millenials workig as d.j.’s know Troutman; but much does it matter if more and more the memory and sonic splendor feted is a fragment of a composition past?

    Plus, some of these aging influences such as Troutman now live for the timeless and flawless sound machine that the digital age is; remember, one can now hear and bit of recorded music. at the light of their music followed by the touch of the fingertips onto the pad, keyboard or whatever. That fact will certainly help maintain sonic immortality as much as the techno-archiving possibilities nowadays seem to guarantee it.

    I think a lot more needs to be said re. that Grammy’s broadcast; that was a major awards show tweak in format, i’d say.

  56. –I’ve been checking back on this thread regularly, with thoughts competing for comment status so they’ve canceled each other out, but I’ve been enjoying it.

    Totally off-topic but a literal LOL: at the chateau, under the “date threesome” post (girl glued to iphag), I left a mild anecdote in mod and kept scrolling, only to find someone had posted a gif of Sonny Corleone tossing dollars on the pavement for the camera he just broke and my current main antagonist “bigjohn” asks, “What is that from?”

    lolzolz lord, what a maroon!

  57. Bruno Mars has some slick dance moves but otherwise blabbity blah blah black. What is he, like fifteen.

    This fucking world — it’s full of brown people.

    Seeing those (his) videos. There’s a party going on, and you can make the scene! if you are able and willing to look the part and put on a uh shall-we-say, suiting ethos face!

    It was the same mf bitch point that they were selling with Lionel ‘beanpole’ Ritchie. Who at least had the decency to write real songs. All Night Long is well composed and stands on its own. (Dancing on the Ceiling not so much)

    Also was the theme of the Boom X cult classic Blame It on Rio, which might be worth watching for the 17 year old bush shot of the Brooke Shields lookalike starlet. Did i say that she had a big bush? She was sporting rocking a brazilian bikini, in which (it’s my understanding) their beach culture allowed for the top of the bush to grow over the bikini line.

    There’s a party going on, and you can get with NC-17 sex if only …

  58. “This fucking world — it’s full of brown people.”

    I hate to say it, but Bowery’s version of Sortocracy doesn’t work.

    Someone has to rule. The Chinese have to be limited, especially what with their gene sequencing. They will never get on board a platform of ecological responsibility. For god’s sake they eat tiger penises and rhino horns. Or is that just an urban legend.

    And the Koreans eat dogs.

    On the other hand, White people used to shoot buffalo by the hundreds and thousands — literally by the thousands — in contest for sport, and let the carcasses rot on the Plain.

    And to this day, that ethos is not reformed.

    My point being, that the Globe has to be minded and ruled. I see as a best outcome a league of race nations, but really we are pretty much fucked. Red Queen and all that. We are in a constant struggle not to go extinct and die, and it’s not a game that can be won.

    In order to last longterm, and not evolve into cockroaches in a destroyed and degraded habitat, we have to play god. The ecology in which we evolved is the only source of vigor and joy and happiness. And for that matter, wonder.

    That’s why space memes are literally gay. They appeal to people who have lost interest in their own habitat.

  59. at the chateau, under the “date threesome” post (girl glued to iphag)

    Gaming females that you despise, so that you can hate fuck em.

    “How did it come to this?”

  60. Gaming girls that you despise, in order to hate fuck them.

    The tendency and inclination to do this and successfully, will be successfully done by certain psych profiles more than others.

    I would think that “psychopathy” is the general category to describe such class of pysch profiles successful in such mating style.


    Back when CH was getting started, he was often on about the Dark Triad, one of which legs was psychopathy. I forget what were the other two. Now more recently he seems to have moved away from that theme.

    But the facts on the ground remain the same, and actually they have gotten worse.

  61. “All Night Long” was well composed? Forgive me for not fact-checking that one.

    Here’s an example of well-composed, IMO:

  62. Dark Triad: Narcissism, Machiavellianism, and Psychopathy.

    I scored average on the first two (slightly above average on machiavellianism, which seems to fit my penchant for trolling), but only in the 4th percentile for Psychopathy.

  63. If a song doesn’t feature a melody, what’s the point?

    All Night Long does have a melody. It’s on the black keys. Also there is a counterpoint interlude in 6 / 4. Without a doubt, it is more subtle and a better song than Megadeath.

    Metal is not all crap, but it’s limited as a genre. Its limitations are mainly in its very basic rhythm and (for the most part) missing melody.

  64. Huh. It wasn’t so much the solo that I admired about the song but the way it fit within the bass lines and chord progressions of the tune. I liken the track to a [very short] classical piece, in that it has multiple “movements”, unlike most other contemporary pieces. It also moves me.

  65. Last one, promise:

    Don’t fast forward or you’ll lose the sublime experience of the drop from 3:20 and the next minute or so. It doesn’t work unless you’ve experienced the building up to it.

    On the subject of composition, I must give great credit to trance composers. They layer and subtly echo so many sounds, many of which they created themselves (example, in the track above, the woman’s truncated vocal note becomes a new instrument of its own), in a massively interwoven tapestry of sound.

    “If it doesn’t feature a melody, what’s the point?” The point is that tracks like this are created not to imbue you with a tune that gets stuck in your head, but to massage your synapses in a way that allows you to get out of your own head, and remember that beauty, tranquility, and even energy can be found in nothing more than a mathematical arrangement of blended sine waves.

  66. — I’ll get there! (peterike)

    I believe that everyone here joins me in wishing you difficulty with getting there.

    Lol!! Thank you PA. That means a lot coming from you.

  67. I don’t mean to counter signal metal.

    Back in the day Metallica was supposed to be a cut above, and they were, but still. Whatever, it’s all good.

    Supposedly there is an abundant Euro metal genre that associates closely with WN.


    Not that this argument is going on right now, but i’ve had it before with Red Pill Whites, who will not slash cannot appreciated black music.

    As has been pointed out many times, the cultural degradation weighs down on everyone.

    But at the same time, within that “miasma” of cultural degradation, the Race trends, of which groups are winning and which are not, play out in individual lives as fractals.

  68. — Red Pill Whites, who will not slash cannot appreciated black music.

    I like WN rap. Does that count?

    As to Metal, a drummer friend (same one who broke down to me Dave Grohl’s drumming brilliance) explained once that in Metal, everything hangs on perfect rhythm. It’s like a clock where all moving parts gave to be in ideal synch, or it’s just noise.

  69. Yeah, Metal fans will not abide that the rhythm is basic.

    To them such contention is beneath contempt and downright stupid.

    On the point of the rhythm being basic, it’s that it’s too straightforward. Every beat has two parts to it, really. And that’s not just the “swing” — it’s that even every single beat (beneath the two-part swing beat) has two or even more parts implied within it.

    I find that the rhythm in metal generally does not convey such subtlety. Or when it does, as in the case of Grohl, it’s such an explicit conveyance that it’s whatever. Grohl is a great drummer, but the meme that he is a god of gods, is meh.

    There is a cliche regarding art, about how the best of it is left unsaid. Obviously something needs to be said, and it’s a balancing act. The more that can be suggested and implied, the better.

  70. Grohl is a great drummer, but the meme that he is a god of gods, is meh.

    He is a great hard-rock drummer and a big part of the reason that Nirvana became a ‘great band’ at iconic levels. FWIW, I think of Grohl as a more schooled and nuanced Keith Moon, who nonetheless was ‘a great’ himself.

  71. The clip on the other thread of that Finnish “lady” [*] playing the piano is great. She has an beautiful singing voice, and what a classic face.

    Though her hair appears to be not naturally blonde. WTF is up with that?

    The song Yesterday is (of course) Lennon and McCartney. I didn’t think that Lennon songs could be posted here, what without some requisite preface that he is a piece of shit whose corpse should be exhumed and violated by voodoo niggers. (voodoo niggers — no longer in short supply! thx, shithole countries!)

    But that song is such classic Beatles pop. The lyrics cliche, the songwriting straight out of the book, but it’s also easy and effortless mastery of a difficult craft.

    I am glad we can still post Lennon songs. His all-time Alt Right anthem Imagine was not ironic, but perhaps it should be considered within the delusional context of its Times and thus a counterpoint.

  72. The descriptor “lady” is in quotes because for the simple reason that, when Miss Finn stops with the song and goes into her you-can-find-me-on-facebook, one has to wonder if she is still and after all, a true Aryan Princesses.

    Back on the topic of social media addiction, the current CH thread and Captain Obvious’ new theme about the all encompassing addiction of the iphag, and what does it to the womenz.

    If there’s one thing i know! They can’t be ladies on social media. Ladies and social media are two things not existing in the same world with each other. (unless of course it is in the act of mutual self-annihilation!)

  73. I did not know of the weird backstory to that song, nik. It sounds more like McCartney now that you mention it. Sappy times ten.


    There is a comment to be made on young people (such as McCartney in 1965) sapping out on nostalgia and the nature of time passing.

    As my mom might say, just wait ’til you get old!

    In the same way that cynicism can be a glamour puss affection. For a teenage girl. And but once life wears ya down some, it is understood as something to be avoided as much as possible.

  74. I hear a lot of “classical” pop, what within our shared public air space.

    And Oh Baby! is it ever is a glaring reminder of how things used to be.

    The all-time list for ridiculous classic songs of that era, is no list at all! if not featuring of

    Brandy (You’re a Fine Girl), and
    Afternoon Delight (Skyrockets in Flight!)

    both of which, iirc, were parodied (as such ridiculous songs) on The Simpsons.

    Which — in an amazing, heart rending coincidence of fractal symmetry! — went on to become itself such an example.

  75. Who knew. Afternoon Delight was about, well, sex in the afternoon. I certainly did not know that, at age 10 or whatever. [*]

    Skyrockets in Flight!

    But one of the such general big themes across so many popular genres from the 70s and 80s, was about finding “love” and from a woman. (Queen excepted, of course; and ironically or not, Queen sang about that stuff with the most passion! — inverse fractal irony alert)

    Being “saved by love”. It’s hard to make the larger point, somehow.

    But the picture it paints is of the mindset of those young aspiring rising-sap hard-on stars, and of their lives and what they thought was to give them meaning.

  76. There used to be a store, a retail nearby upscale-themed variety store, at the effin mall, called In The Afternoon.

    The funny thing about it, is that for awhile at least, it was a good store. On two occasions i bought two bowls there; the second of which were as a wedding for a close friend. That’s how good was their “get”. And the two bowls of which are still in use in my very swapple kitchen. They were hand-crafted by relic Denisovan hominoid monkeys somewhere in that part of the world. Siam.

    But now it occurs, that such theme was also a reference to sex in afternoon. Turns out that was a pre-internet meme. Exciting! the journey of discovery continues apace.

  77. Lennon once said that his favorite Beatles song is “Across the Universe.”

    There is a variation on Metal that, as another friend that has done some DJ’ing once described, does this off-count thing every some beats. Example of who does that is the band Meshuggah.

  78. I watched a fanmade video for Boston’s “Amanda” last night which turned out to be an appropriation of some Victoria’s Secret video ad. But what a great song though. I thought Captain Obvious would like the amalgamation a lot.

    –PA, an OT technical question: does CH’s settings allow people to edit their comments after posting? I have an lolz reason to ask.

    I almost held myself to blame for condescending to leave two replies to troll liljane66, but now she’s gone and left two more of her own in reply. In the last one, she shrilly faults me for mis(s?lol)pelling “explicitly” when quoting her.

    I may have incorrectly autocorrected her or not. I did in fact, as I was commenting, almost pause to reach for the dictionary. But I know for certain I cut/pasted her own comment. If I made an error of my own, it’s a small price to pay, as she’s unabashedly blackpill trolling that Whites are doomed, all the while ridiculously boasting she’s too busy and successful in life to ever have watched “The Godfather” as an adult (never mind how much time she finds to post inanities on the internet). Still, I don’t utterly discount the possibility she deliberately missppleed ‘explicitly’ in the first place, so she could get cut/pasted, then edit what she said in the first place and try and accuse me of being a dummy. It would be a sort od ‘clever’ lowbrow trick, the utter vapid pendantry of which would go with a certain psychological (((profile))).

    But in any event, as soon as I left my single, last reply “wrong side of history” in her “big boy hooch” or whatever she calls herself now role starting hitting the ‘like’ button on every single comment I made in that thread– she’s literally given me ten likes in a row, which I have to regard as her dirty little “haha caught me” play. So I’ll guess “bigjohn33” is played by wrong side– and given the kindergarten vapidity of “liking” me ten times in a row, I can say with some assurance that yesyesyes, it’s a “she”, people; and yesyesyes she probably jills off every night thinking of yours truly– and all us assorted Nazi Big Bad Vulves.

    “Did you hear all that– sweetie?”

  79. Boston’s “Amanda” is one of my all time favorite songs!

    I don’t think wordpress or blogger lets you change your own comment on another person’s blog.

  80. If you want to go party somewhere that is always free 100% of hip hop you can go to one place – Las Vegas. You won’t hear it anywhere, not at the strip club, the casino or even the craziest celebrity-filled nightclubs that have a $250 cover charge and a floor openly full of drug use.

    That surprises me; i’ve only been to Vegas a few times, work related and that didn’t seem to be true around the time Tupac was killed or when Tyson bit Holyfield’s ear tip off (national entertainment press corps, at your service!).

    I would’ve guessed the opposite, if anything, and that elaborate security norms in that town would provide cover for what prominent hip-hop cult vibe would inevitably lead to.

    I find that city to be very depressing; to me, Las Vegas is the antipathy of relaxation and entertainment.

  81. He’s not a trucker in the sense of driver, he owns a trucking company. He did 19 months of prison in his youth for beating up a local gangster who was roughing up a kid.

    My cousin, a younger guy, is a trucker. He was recently in Portugal. Says that he found miggers stowed away in his trailer. When he told them to GTFO, they begged for a ride to England. They got out when he told them he’s not going there, he’s going back to Poland. The roaches go where the welfare gibs are.

  82. @ Nikcrit – I would’ve guessed the opposite, if anything, and that elaborate security norms in that town would provide cover for what prominent hip-hop cult vibe would inevitably lead to.

    Security in Vegas? Not really. Clubs in Atlanta have far more bouncers and people watching the floor and door than the clubs on the strip. Lots of security standing around takes up space that could’ve gone to paying customers, and high-end $$ customers are not going to places that require a huge police presence as that’s synonymous with low class.

    You can walk right into the Wynn and head back to the tables where there’s $10,000 in chips sitting right there in play without seeing a single security guard. The endless number of cameras are the main security deterrent, along with the difficulty of getting out and away if you commit a crime.

    You don’t even see police standing around on the street level on the strip itself. They don’t want to make a heavy-handed showing. The truly high-end customers there don’t walk down the strip itself though, they take a cab or limo even if they have to move less than 1/3 of a mile to a different casino for dinner or a show.

    No one checks inside your bags going to the hotels, that’s how Stephen Paddock got those 12 rifles or whatever up into his room at Mandalay Bay.

  83. Security in Vegas? Not really……. The endless number of cameras are the main security deterrent, along with the difficulty of getting out and away if you commit a crime.

    Yeah, I noticed that right away about Vegas; how the average distance between the hotel front door lobby and your room could be ike a quarter-mile away; seems you’re walking forever in these Vegas hotels. As for human security force, i just figured that the great majority of it was undercover plainclothes beside a large behind-the-scenes contingent…… haven’t you learned as much from watching those “Ocean’s 11” sequels? 🙂

  84. “Effeminate vibe, like from a middle aged woman.”

    lolz she reminds me a lot of that “boston_traveller” or whatever it’s called at dalrock, of the “marriage/aircraft carrier metaphor” infamy. Though some speculated it was actually a decent guy but his wife had hacked his account and was pulling double-duty, trolling under his handle.

    She’s left one comment in The Memo at CH, which I see has gotten pretty emotional for everyone (if I may venture so far, I think our friend GE was fraying your penultimate nerve, judging from that quick reply about “kike-loving flyboys”). My apologies if I misimply, but in all seriousness it’s been truly remarkable how the SOTU/FISA week has provoked from isteve and CH readers almost the exact OPPOSITE reactions we’re accustomed to: blackpill istevers, usually glum on Trump, have been ecstatic over the brilliance of the “Americans are dreamers too” line and his rope-a-dope peace offers on DACA, whereas the Chateau (I mean a large chunk of the commentariat, legitimate and hasbara-thot alike) has gone into a huge cuckspin.

    I left a lengthy reply at CH, starting with digs on “bigjohn33” and moving on to address support to Matt King’s string of comments, a brief rejoinder to ryu, and some more generalized hints to buck up to the naysayers (cough cough greg), which is in mod and of course might not get out.

    I really don’t know how greg can justify muttering “I’ll believe it when I see it” when we’ve come so far and the Dem/Media/Intel coalition is in panic, thrusting their resignation letters under the door and (to renew an old prediction) probably polishing off a few revolvers for the suicide attempt, voluntary or no.

  85. –our friend whorefinder btw was one of the most perspicacious and enthusiastic of the SOTU cheerleaders at unz–I cut/pasted some of his remarks to my own blog for safekeeping. He hasn’t always been an unrepentant enthusiast on Trump’s chances himself, so I thought that carried some extra weight.

    –to give credit where it’s due, the Vox Popoli readership was overwhelming enthused about the SOTU too, and I have to say they were much clearer sighted about it than some of our familiars dans le chateau. “Americans are dreamers too” just gets more delicious the more you think about it. It’s not just saying “Americans have dreams TOO”; it says of course that “Dreamers” are not part of that humble class of items known as AMERICANS.

  86. — I think our friend GE was fraying your penultimate nerve, judging from that quick reply

    Also yesterday, I made a heavy generalization about Boomers — how they wish for the world to end with their passing. Neither comment was “about” Greg, though obviously posted as a reaction to something he wrote. That’s an idea I’ve had for a while. I don’t feel good speculating about it but it nags nonetheless.

    I usually self-censor impulsive ire, but not always. Greg’s active “black pill” posting today (not exactly black pill… it’s better described as “impatient, incontinent, entitled”) pressed my button. Specifically, my attitude that yes, there is a lot to be impatient about, but this is also exactly the time to not-bitch. Trump is divinely guided and the greatest gift an undeserving nation has gotten in its darkening hour. This is the time to trust and to believe that there is a soundly paced intelligent will behind the events.

  87. As for human security force, i just figured that the great majority of it was undercover plainclothes beside a large behind-the-scenes contingent…… haven’t you learned as much from watching those “Ocean’s 11” sequels? 🙂

    I don’t think they have much plainclothes cops/security out on the floor in LV, that gets expensive. It’s much cheaper to have lots of cameras there monitored by sleepless eyes that watch from a central command center. They can detect just from someone’s movements if they’re attempting to steal, cheat, count cards, snatch purses, etc.

    This is why the Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock didn’t raise any eyebrows while bringing in 2 chests full or rifles – he’s a heavy player there and looked completely at ease and he clearly knew where he was going, taking the entrance for VIP’s. If some terrorist Pakis came in there looking a little bizarre and scattered and nervous they may have attracted a visit from security.

    Also, a lot of people don’t realize that most of the LV strip is owned by only 2 corporations – Harrah’s (mostly north/east side of strip) and MGM (mostly south/west side of strip) – and their casinos are in close proximity for a reason. For instance, if you try to snatch $500 in chips out of a dealer”s tray at the MGM-owned Luxor you gotta get the 1500 feet to the front door, and if you turn south to run you are going right toward the security guards at their sister property MGM-owned Mandalay Bay, who know exactly what you look like since they have the same camera feed and they’re on walkie talkie with the casino where you committed the crime. A thief won’t get far.

  88. Hispanics seem a lot more likable than Arabs, I think it is harder to be tough with them for that reason.


    I have extensive experience working with both populations.

    At their worst, I find Arabs to be pushy, quarrelsome, and histrionic.

    professional interactions I have with Arabs frequently end with an annoying haggling process.

    Latin Americans are a much more laid back and warmer people. If I were forced to choose mass immigration between Hispanics and Arabs, I would choose Hispanics hands down. I don’t think Arabs temperamentally a good fit for Europeans.

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