The Emmett Till Myth

How it began:

[21-year-old married White woman Carolyn] Bryant testified during the murder trial that Till grabbed her hand while she was stocking candy and said, “How about a date, baby?” She said that after she freed herself from his grasp, the young man followed her to the cash register, grabbed her waist and said, “What’s the matter baby, can’t you take it?” Bryant said she freed herself, and Till said, “You needn’t be afraid of me, baby,” used “one ‘unprintable’ word” and said “I’ve been with white women before.”

A healthy man’s blood temperature spikes as he reads that. In response, her husband with the help of other men (including definitely one and possibly two who were Black) tracked him down and killed him.

The incident was chosen by the national media to be spotlighted because a number of things, including Till’s young age of 14 and his diminutive-sounding first name, were suitable for crafting the event into a narrative-shaping story. All Americans watched the same news then and the journalism industry enjoyed high levels of public trust. There were no alternatives for presentation of facts or analysis. The media had godlike powers of directing public opinion.

Why is the killing of Emmett Till and the myth that it became so significant? Because White men have always lived and thrived on an honor code. Roy Bryant (Carolyn’s husband) did what honor required him to, starting with his obligation to protect his wife and to proactively address the insulting character of Till’s attack on her, just as women were, in turn, expected to live up to codes of honorable female behavior.

Elevating Till’s killing to a foundational morality tale of the so-called Civil Rights era was a coup against Western morality. Maudlin and ill-informed pity for Till subverted a social order based on masculine justice. I hope that this short analysis gives a clearer idea of how the dishonest interpretation of the incident helped emasculate America.

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Sixty years later, corporate media unsuccessfully tried to reboot the “innocent black victim” narrative with Trayvon Martin. The people who were tasked with finding a source story for a sensational news event were sloppy. For example, they assumed that George Zimmerman was White, that he lived in an expensive gated community, and they failed to look into Martin’s social media history.

I still consider July 13, 2013 — Zimmerman’s acquittal — to be the day that the Narrative collapsed. The big lie that Till was killed for whistling at a woman and that Martin was killed for eating Skittles died that summer.

If you read the linked summary of Emmett Till’s killing, remember his responsibility for setting off the chain of events that led to his death. A sexual attack on another man’s wife is a death sentence in every civilized as well as every barbaric society; in other words, in any society that abides by objective codes of morality. It was an honor killing. The ordeal of Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian, in contrast with what happened to Emmett Till and as a direct result of the anti-White libel that his killing was crafted into, was mere subhuman savagery.

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146 thoughts on “The Emmett Till Myth

  1. If it weren’t for movies like this and Hidden Figures, I wouldn’t know that only brilliant black women could have saved our moonshot, and that all black men are gentle folks. I’ve seen a nice decline in the effectiveness of the Narrative’s war chest. It’s like watching a dying star burn out the last of its fuel in a spectacular nova. The immediate effect is impressive, but we know that star will soon be a shrunken dwarf with little if any illumination. OK, off to watch “Dear White People”, per Netflix’s recent recommendation to me.

  2. A beat-down would have been more proportional.

    Going by the details as presented. Considering his age.

    Or did “he-a-good-boy” already have a history, of similar behavior?

  3. No doubt Till was trouble, but killing him was way out of proportion to his crime. Those men really should have spent some time in jail. That being said, the fact that this is still being talked about demonstrates how few of these white on black crimes actually occurred.

  4. I think it is titillating to blacks to watch movies/shows where they are the victims of white people. It fulfills some psychological need. One commenter on Very Smart Brothers said he was tired of watching “slave porn”, but he was mostly alone in this opinion.

  5. Points about proportional punishment…

    That attitude is why Chris and Channon were allowed to be murdered.

    You can organize society around a bloodless and easily manipulated pharisaical legalism that mandates a “proportionate” response to ATTEMPTED RAPE and the ultimate humiliation of a good married couple, extending the finer points of liberal exquisiteness to a savage…

    Or you can have honor and a livable society for all.

    Local Blacks understood that, in pulling Till off Carolyn Bryant and others in helping her husband find him.

    PS: based on accounts I’ve read, they offered Till opportunities to apologize but he doubled-down with taunts.

  6. To characterize proportional responses and punishment as “pharisaical legalism”, is BACKWARD and absurd.

    It is talmudic to do away with proportional punishment.

    *******************

    For the sake of consideration, take the race angle out of the story.

    Some white guy acts in that same way. Should he be killed? or, in his, case, might a proportional response be better?

  7. Laying hands on another man’s wife is a serious thing. However, it is not attempted rape.

    It is a making a pass.

    Have you ever made a pass at another man’s wife?

    I for one have, and even to the point of touching.

    Should I have been killed?

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  9. A beat-down is a proportional response for that behavior, and it is appropriate.

    PA, an honor code, if it is to be in effect, has to be formalized. Bowery has written at length about this: Natural Duel.

    Overpowering a man with a gang, and taking him out back and killing him, is NOT honorable.

  10. Let me step back and ponder the following words of wisdom:

    I was cuttin the rug
    at a place called the Jug
    with a girl named Linda Lou

    When in walks a man
    with a gun in his hand
    lookin for you-know-who

    He said hey there fella
    with the hair-colored yella
    whatcha tryin to do

    That’s a my women there
    and i’m a man who cares
    and this might be all for you

    [“Linda Lou” appears to be a willing participant… Worth noting: Till’s father was court-martialed and hanged for raping and murdering an Italian woman in WWII. — PA]

  11. Till’s father was court-martialed and hanged for raping and murdering an Italian woman in WWII.

    Anyone ever heard of the “Cave of the Negro”?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Katsuyama_killing_incident

    Research shows studies that black soldiers were in excess of 5-10 times more likely to be convicted of rape/murders compared to white soldiers during WWII (especially the late stages).

    The Emmett Till incident is an extra-judicial killing even if it was motivated by a sense of honor.

  12. My case against “proportional” punishment here. One, I pointed to the fact that a violent groping accompanied by crude talk to an unwilling married woman is a line that is crossed at peril to one’s life, as far as traditions of honor go across societies. How would you have plead your case in Afghanistan when caught violating a Pashtun tribesman’s wife?

    American frontiersmen hanged horse thieves.

    Two: there is a case made that sinking the first wave of refugee boats on the Mediterranean Sea in 2015 would have been the proper thing to do from the standpoint of preventing the thousandfold violence and mortal danger to host nations that came about as a result of European navies rescuing the refugees at sea instead. The boats that should have been sunk, according to the case for sinking them, carried innocent people. And I agree that Europe would have been morally justified in sinking them.

    All of that is analogous to relations with a society that has its high share of individuals whose mix of low IQ, high impulsivity, and genetic predeliction for sociopathy made them like those boats of invaders at sea. Stopping their acts was not a merely legal matter, but a life-and-death prerogative. Making a martyr of Emmett Till made America safe for rapists and murderers, and it enervated good men of later generations who’d otherwise have pushed back on black aggression with moral certitude. Those who pushed that narrative are responsible for the Knoxville Atrocity.

    Addendum: in his own words spoken during the assault, Till escalated the gravity of his offense from criminal boorishness to tribal warfare.

  13. The USA should’ve left Qaddafi in place and not undermined him.

    He was the one holding back all of the African “refugees” looking to make the trip to Europe due to his agreements with Italy (Berlusconi), as Libya is one of the shortest points but also that stretch of desert is most passable. I wonder if Obama/Hillary’s opposition to Qaddafi may have been partly due to his stance on the refugee question.

  14. A 14yo google is equivalent to a 17yo Euro. A chimping ghetto thug attacking WW at 14 more like a 20yo civilized WM.

  15. “Have you ever made a pass at another man’s wife?

    I for one have, and even to the point of touching.

    Should I have been killed?”

    The racial component of the Till case really does make all the difference.

  16. While I agree completely with the thrust of this post PA, I can’t agree with this:

    I still consider July 13, 2013 — Zimmerman’s acquittal — to be the day that the Narrative collapsed.

    Has the Narrative collapsed? I see very few signs of it. Did it get battered a little? Did a few people get woke? Yes. But the Narrative remains in firm hands, the Prog-nography pours out at an unchecked rate, the race mixing advertisements are as blatant as ever, the Magical Negro continues as a standard entertainment trope, “Hamilton” is still going for thousands of dollars a ticket, and every film critic in America heaped praise on a film that was overtly genocidal to whites (that stupid “comedy” by that effeminate race-mixing negro).

    I think what’s changed is that people who want to see are now able to see. But most still don’t want to see. How many Americans have even heard of the Newsom/Christian murders? I bet it’s under 10%. We all know if it had been racially reversed, there would have been an Oscar winning film about it or an HBO series by now. When Hollywood puts out a no-truths-hidden film about it, then we can start talking about Narrative collapse.

  17. It is an interesting case and raises a lot of questions.

    We don’t have an agreed-upon or very accessible honor code upon which to enforce standards and values. AND the legal system as it stands is not doing the job.

    So that leaves everyone in a lot of limbo.

    And at the same time, people have an instinctual feeling for right and wrong, which is as guide as any.

    In the case of Emmett Till. My initial comments, that were disagreeing with the original post, were qualified as based upon the very limited facts as presented on this page.

    The link to PBS provided above gives a much more, uh, colorful picture of the scene. And looks to be a good long read for maybe later.

    But one thing that can be said re Bobo’s demise, is live by the sword die by it. Or even more succinctly: street justice (is a bitch).

    Street Justice is its own code, and a fascinating topic. It would seem that Bobo shoulda woulda known about it, but being a stupid (and young) nigger, could not resist antagonizing, or to use the police jargon, escalating, at that crucial moment where his fate was decided.

    This is a good place to plug my favorite old school blog: nononsenseselfdefense dot com.

    Check it out, you won’t be disappointed.

    The topic of escalation at the point of departure, was featured in a news story somewhere in the Plains States about five years ago.

    A White teenager, in the course of some typical human drama bs, stepped up to a black thug who had been muscling some girl or something and it escalated and the black guy pulled a gun, and the White kid said to him, What are you gonna do, shoot me?

    Which was the wrong thing to say, because, as the Marc “the Animal” McManus, purveyor of the recommended site would tell, it doesn’t leave room to save face.

  18. the black guy pulled a gun, and the White kid said to him, What are you gonna do, shoot me?

    That’s one white boy who did NOT understand the Negro mind.

  19. Does this change anything?

    Depends.

    Now, 62 years later, it has emerged that she fabricated her testimony about Till making physical and verbal advances.

    First, I have grave doubts about this “reporting.” It’s a little too convenient for someone wanting to breath new life into an old story. And we know the Left lies about everything. But let’s take it at face value: she made some of it up. The question is, did the men know she made it up? Or did they believe her?

    We all know that women lie. But if the men believed her, then their actions were still justified based on what they understood to have happened.

    In any case, the real absurdity here is this:

    That four-word confession, of sorts, has provided an unexpected coda to a story whose victim is commemorated annually.

    So 62 years later we still have to go on about this killing. How many whites have been killed by blacks in the meantime? How many of those people are “commemorated annually”? It’s really a big, sick joke how some of these events are turned into contemporary mythology, like (activist) Rosa Parks and her very well planned bus ridding hand-jive.

  20. — I think what’s changed is that people who want to see are now able to see. But most still don’t want to see. (Peterike)

    That is a good way of putting it. Don’t know about you fellas, but I’ve been on a MAGA high from when Trump declared his candidacy (I never doubted he’ll become President) until he fired the missiles at Syria and it started looking like he took on the deep state, and lost. The high is gone and I’ve been in a bit of a funk over the past weeks. It’s easy to be blackpilled.

    How it all relates to the death of the Narrative is that like you say, the ones who want to see, do. Another way of saying it us that those who matter, see the Narrative for the sham that it is. That hadn’t been the case before.

    Before, even perceptive people would think you’re crazy if not evil if you challenged the Narrative. Now, normal people are kind of resigned, certainly not enthusiastic or sincere about the Narrative, while SJWs and the liberal establishment are doubling-down way past escape velocity from reality. The question is, how long can they keep at it?

  21. I would not watch a movie about the Christian/Newsom murders. It would be too depressing. I would watch a movie about Till, even if it was inaccurate and overly dramatic. I don’t think it would depress me.

  22. — I would not watch a movie about the Christian/Newsom murders. It would be too depressing.

    Same here, unless it was done in a way that gives their sacrifice a higher meaning, like a martyr epic that puts the anti-White system in the context of our fight against it.

    But the violence itself would have to be off-screen.

    Additional point about the death of the Narrative, and I’m still not expressing it properly: another way I’ve been meaning to put it is that with Trayvon (with key supporting role by Jeantel Rachel) the Romantic black victim tale — and by extension, the White villain role — has been put to death. Nobody believes it unless they’re an SJW doubling down on doctrine, an idiot girl (but they don’t count as much as some think they do and with them it’s more about posturing than sincerity anyway), and other species of liberals or go-along people who are refusing to see reality — fake belief, in their case.

    After Zimmerman’s acquittal, you can’t be a person who WANTS to see truth and still believe the Civil Rights narrative. The acquittal itself is a symbolic marker for the collapse of the Narrative.

  23. Would it enrage anyone here to know that one of the Knoxville horror convicted has already come up for parole, getting denied but back up for consideration in 2020?:

    http://www.local8now.com/home/headlines/Newsom-family-reacts-after-learning-Vanessa-Coleman-may-be-up-for-parole-270538141.html

    [the parents of Chris and Channon are not “forgiving” her. Here’s to their success in keeping that dog in the kennel.

    From the article: “She shows no remorse, no shame. She had a good time, she says that in her journal,” Hugh Newsom, Chris’s father says.

    At some point way back, one of the fathers was quoted distancing himself “from the racists” whose attention the trial had attracted. Hopefully he was either misqouted, overstating or misspeaking that sentiment, or if not, that his thoughts had since changed — PA]

  24. Since the election of Trump, (((Hollywood))) has signaled that they will be doubling and tripling down on the Narrative. Next up is a ret-conned movie about the Detroit ’67 riots.

    [if the Serpent, as goes the saying, wins by being subtle, (((they))) aren’t making winning moves — PA]

  25. The high is gone and I’ve been in a bit of a funk over the past weeks. It’s easy to be blackpilled.

    PA, I know exactly what you mean. Your experience is similar to my own. I wrote awhile back at Le Chateau that the honeymoon period is over, from when Trump first announced, all throughout the campaign, and to the first several weeks of his presidency.

    Though not married, but it reminds me of that “cooling” off period, where you get to really know who you’re “in bed with” and what that bodes for you, them and the marriage itself. The luster and the sheen is gone and you see or rather witness that person in the raw.

    It is easy to get blackpilled, throw in the towel, give up, etc., but for me, it just rekindles my faith and to place any worries and fears therein.

    In a way, it reminds me somewhat of the campaign, when TBTP were throwing everything the could at the guy, spin all the news to make Hillary seem like she’d win and what that would bode for men like us. Those ebbs were ripe for blackpilling.

    [very well said — PA]

  26. PA…

    The only lesson to be learned is to dispense with false expectations…

    Trump’s RADICAL AUTONOMY IS PLAIN TO SEE…

    The HYSTERICAL SQUEALING of his “enemies” MERELY CONFIRMATION BIAS…

    A real, frothy-at-the-mouth envious jealousy of an IDEOLOGICAL rival.

    But Trump is no white Supremacist and NEVER SOLD HIMSELF as one.

    So you are, in fact, exactly where you should be IF from the mind of white Supremacy.

  27. There are some comments raising the issue of proportionality, and basically asking, “What if it had been a white man?”

    But it wasn’t a white man. Modern whites have the self-defeating idea that those outside of the tribe should be treated identically to members of the tribe itself. It’s precisely this sort of thinking that is leading our civilization, and ultimately our very race, to the precipice.

    If a white man gets out of line with a white woman, he should of course be punished proportionately. But if an aggressive member of another tribe (especially a tribe with a high proportion of savage, ignorant brutes, just waiting for the green light of weakness – we’re not talking about law abiding Japanese here), it’s a different matter. You can’t let savages make a move on your women like that. You can’t bother yourself with proportionately – you have to hit back with dramatic consequences, both to satisfy honor and to send a clear signal that even the savage mind can understand.

    Brutal? Yes, but it prevented countless whites from being raped & murdered in the Old South. Today? Who speaks of “proportionality” for the whites who end up in morgues or rape clinics? Is a society that facilitates such industrial scale criminality any less brutal than the Old South? Is the society that gives us Rotherham morally superior to the Old South?

    It is to laugh.

  28. Nobody is arguing that Till should’ve been murdered or that his killers should’ve escaped punishment.

    My question from the previous thread was why this particular story, from way back in 1955, continues to endure. Or why it was even picked-up by the national media at the time. I’m surprised the left couldn’t find (or invent) a worse “racist” killing to mythologize.

    Whatever the reasons, the consequences of the narrative it spawned are exactly as PA describes.

  29. It’s unsurprising that those in close quarters with a tribal enemy resort to massive of levels of violence first, be it Terre Haute, Folsom, Sacremento, or Berkley.

    We should take a moment to remember that many of our POWs must spend their days dealing with such tribal opposition.

  30. “Admit till” is a memetic juggernaut in the racial hucksterism that is AffirmativeAxe’m and the A REALIZATION of “universal equality.”

    “Universal Equality” SAYS today’a niggers SUFFER EQUALLY to Emmett Till…

    Fill in a very predictable reality.

    Get prophetable.

  31. I error…

    Universal Equality” SAYS [today’s] niggers SUFFER EQUALLY to Emmett Till…

    True or False?

  32. “Nobody is arguing that Till should’ve been murdered or that his killers should’ve escaped punishment.”

    I’m not exactly arguing that, but I’m open to it. I wasn’t there & don’t know the players involved, but I’m at least open to the idea that the men in question should have escaped punishment. Regardless of whether/how much they should have been punished, the main point is that they were under no moral obligation to treat Till like a white man. Whites can manage our own ne’er-do-wells just fine. But once savages see open season on white women, it’s a different story – as the last 50 years have shown.

  33. It’s foolishly asinine to delude young white boys to narrated dreams of collectivist racial blacklash when the necessitating of teaching individual white boys “lethal arts” is imminent.

    Race-real lesson one…

    Ready to kill real nigger(s).

    FakeNewz been retired.

  34. Jordan Peele IS A REAL NIGGER… Or a dealt commodity dealing in a dubiously deadly game of deracinating psychoptics.

  35. Regardless of whether/how much they should have been punished, the main point is that they were under no moral obligation to treat Till like a white man.

    And nor did they.

    As for considering as if Till had been white, and what purpose that might serve. Hmmm, let’s see, why might that be a good and useful exercise.

    Oh, wait a minute! because that consideration would be in accord with the laws as they stand and the world as it exists!

    Or do we have to larp all the time?

  36. Glad you had a laugh at it, though, Trainspotter, the consideration of Till as a white man.

    I mean, it’s not as if the law gives him equal protection, or anything, in the real world away from the internet.

    Oh wait, you mean it does? The law does consider Till as if he had equal protection under it!

    Did you know that? I can’t say that I didn’t know that, before making this comment.

    But for some reason, it was necessary to point that out, because people were dumbfounded as to why it might be useful, to consider.

  37. The ethical questions involved are not the same, as the practical ones. Our legal system as it exists, does not allow for White ethics.

    To suggest that Till be considered White, is not to suggest an abrogation of White ethnocentric ethics. It is rather to suggest considering him, as does the law as it exists.

    *******************

    I suppose it is likely that I would be willing to extend some sympathy to a nigger, though, even so, as a human being.

    That feeling very well may have come across in my suggestion. Apparently it did. My mistake.

  38. I wouldn’t call that LARPing. We are talking about the application of law as it was practiced in its time and place.

    Equal protection under law is an Enlightenment ideal most earnestly adapted by Anglo-Protestants in the North who lived among other Anglo-Protestants. The South was different, part Cavalier, part Scots-Irish honor culture with the Damocles’ sword of a large black population hanging over it.

    “Equal protection” doesn’t survive diversity. We are all now living under a Judaic version of it, an inversion of justice under which Whites are under anarcho-tyranny.

  39. “Oh, wait a minute! because that consideration would be in accord with the laws as they stand and the world as it exists!”

    You mean the system is against white men taking extra-judicial action? Who knew?!? What other exciting insights do you have to offer us? Perhaps you can proclaim that 2+2=4 and the sky is blue.

    “Or do we have to larp all the time?”

    What are you talking about? Examining the Old South and tribal dynamics in general has nothing whatsoever to do with larping. Extra-judicial action was real and served a purpose. Obviously (to most).

  40. Trainspotter asked what was the value of the question that I raised, What if Till had been white:

    There are some comments raising the issue of proportionality, and basically asking, “What if it had been a white man?”

    But it wasn’t a white man. Modern whites have the self-defeating idea that those outside of the tribe should be treated identically to members of the tribe itself. It’s precisely this sort of thinking that is leading our civilization, and ultimately our very race, to the precipice.

    To which I made the reply, that that is how he is seen under the law.

    My subsequent accusation of larpiness was in error.

  41. What seemed larpy was the notion that the law as it stands, wherein Till has equal protection to Whites, need not be considered first and paramount.

    That rather the first consideration should be how it used to be, or how it ought to be. That is larpy.

    Obviously Till is not white. But under the law, he is the equivalent.

    So the basic dilemma, is are we discussing things as they are, or as they might be?

    If we are discussing them as they might be, that is larpy.

  42. The characterization of larpy is inherently pejorative.

    And in the contrary: Of course there is value in considering alternative (“larpy”) possibilities.

    To necessarily consider all alternatives as larpy is cynical and defeatist. My bad.

  43. Seems far less egregious than, for instance, murdering two tourists who took a wrong turn. Wait did that really happen?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9161871/Florida-holiday-Britons-who-took-wrong-turn-shot-dead.html

    The Till story is of course convenient for many reasons — denigrating rural white communities, arguing for unrestricted access to white women (including unwilling ones), striking down local justice that doesn’t involve a lawyer lawyer lawyer — but I idly wonder if Emmitt Till really minded. Life is cheap in Africa; as these things go, it was probably a fairly good death.

  44. Have you ever made a pass at another man’s wife?

    I for one have, and even to the point of touching.

    Should I have been killed?

    Maybe you should. In an earlier era, but not that distant, you would at least have gotten a shotgun blast while humping away in the marital bed. Crime passionel, could not convict.

  45. If her hubby hadn’t been such a weak-ass schlub, she wouldn’t have had to stray.

    He called me on the phone, and I asked him what he wanted. Hahaha

  46. I got three texts on my phone right now from a girl 20 years younger, who wants out from her relationship with her weak-ass beau.

    Who also has called me, and asked me to stop.

    Jung, in his mature years, disavowed monogamy. Men who need the institution to keep their women in check, are generally saps.

  47. Obviously everyone has self justifying attitudes, but on the question, of how much should a single man respect the institution of marriage, when the married partners themselves don’t respect it.

    But yes, in a small town, or any rooted community, different standards would apply. Extra-judicial justice or whatever, would be a factor.

    But as it stands, extra-judicial is on the wane, and therefore … the women step out.

    (And so do the blacks.)

    Monogamy is not the end-all-be-all answer to society’s problems, such as listless low-end males. Always throughout history and in the real world, women want to mix and mingle with more dynamic partners.

    And them doing so is to everyone’s advantage, in the long run.

  48. — Monogamy is not the end-all-be-all answer to society’s problems

    “Freedom” is a concept I’ve been kicking around on occasion. As AltRight philosophy aims for eucivic and eugenic arrangements in the neoliberal hell, the representative writing can get proscriptive: we must do this, avoid doing that.

    Freedom is the x-factor. The “fuck the world” place to be, a feral alternative to the political ideal of Liberty that entails ownership and responsibility. Every man has a taste for freedom. An absolute suppressing of his will to be free, to drop out, to break an occasional Prisoner’s Dilemma balance and face the consequences, kills him. Especially when he is young and/or when he is objectively superior to other men (‘objectively’ as in the world’s acknowledgment of his superiority, not in the gamma secret-king way).

    The will to freedom has to be accommodated. War, conquest, colonization were the 19th century way. Sports, communion with nature, some leeway in “boys being boys” and fighting it out, and Mannerbund are the modern ways, absent liberalism. Extra-judicial justice is one of the ways in which freedom and liberty are kept at a healthy balance. Go ahead, make a move on a woman someone already owns — and be prepared to be put in the hospital, rather than fucking lawyers to settle any score.

    In contrast, girls and women are designed to bear the weight. Freedom destroys them and they are best guarded, owned, and protected. The Empire of Nothing minimizes (White) male freedom while maximizing female freedom, which is why it’s satanic, illegitimate, we shouldn’t be loyal to it, we should do our part in overturning it, and why its principal actors are terminable without consent.

  49. 1. Stop extrajudicial beatings of horny Suburban Elk, leave the job to the professionals.
    2. We have no-fault divorce now, goy, what are you complaining about? Pay the alimony to Suburban Elk’s account on the first of the month or else.

    Hey, how’d that happen?! Next election, I’m voting the other party.

  50. Another thing that people have to understand about the Emmitt Till case is the historical demographics of the Deep South. The seemingly maniacal concern for “controlling” blacks was much more crucial there because whites were often a “minority” and that’s difficult for outsiders to understand – becoming another Haiti was only one small uprising away.

    A lot of the Deep South states didn’t have white majorities until 1930s-1940’s and beyond due to migration from the north after the advent of interstate highways, air conditioning, power construction equipment and better medicine made the south more livable. Before that the South was quite swampy, hot, inaccessible and disease ridden.

    The rivers in the South are not navigable for commerce, and the South really doesn’t have natural lakes. Today anything in the South called a lake is usually a body of water created by an artificial dam.

    Even today I think that the blackest state (Mississippi) is roughly 60-40 white/black.

    At the time of the civil war I think that South Carolina was 2/3 black.

  51. Since the election of Trump, (((Hollywood))) has signaled that they will be doubling and tripling down on the Narrative.

    That’s what I predicted would happen in terms of racial thematics within the pop zeitgeist —- that Trump’s lack of p.c.-pieties, even tokenistically, would be interpreted as antebellum backlash.

    Funny thing is is that Trump could care less about being p.c. or being ANTI-p.c.; he’s a culture-macher’s dream: a nihilistic fabulist who projects anything the masses put upon him.

  52. Since the election of Trump, (((Hollywood))) has signaled that they will be doubling and tripling down on the Narrative.

    The narrative’s already coming up short, mainly because Trump has done little more than just repeal all of Obama’s bullshi*t overreaching, nanny state executive orders on environmental regulations, tranny bathrooms, immigration. But it’s been a big yawn since Trump hasn’t started rounding up and exterminating LGBT folks or starting 8 simultaneous wars like all the butthur*t liberal alarmists publications like Slate and Huffington Post had predicted.

    However, the media will give it one more try during the next election cycle in their capacity as the propaganda wing of the Democratic Party.

    When they realize how terribly low black turnout will look under someone like Elizabeth Warren they’ll reach really hard to attempt to whip blacks into a frenzy as before. Hillary spent 30 years kissing black backside, shook hands with Michael Brown’s mother and also supported #BLM unquestioning – just to see black turnout look laughably low.

  53. In nature, there is also the sad corollary, that the reign of the mighty dynamic male alpha lasts only a few years. Then his lieutenants get tired of him, and during some dark night kick his ass, bite off his nuts and chase him out of the tribe. The females remain, of course, banging the new top dog instead. (Frans de Waal, Chimpanzee politics, if memory serves.)

    We currently have the strange situation of suppressing the male id at all costs while encouraging the female id to run free. This supreme gentleman scenario might not last. But in the meantime:

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/18/nation/la-na-nn-tennessee-man-has-30-kids-20120518

  54. Larry King once told a story about Trump on-air, about how the Golden Don appeared on his show and asked, during the break, with great interest and concern, “How’d I do? Was it interesting?”

    Trump has always wanted to be liked far too much to do any radical reordering of society. Plus, on top of that, where would he find allies to implement said restructuring?

    I like him still as a tremendously entertaining president. In a weird way, the white liberals, counting on restraining him nevertheless, hope he’ll roll back some of the gains of women, as the women seem to have taken their white-male allies for a ride.

    But *shrug*. Trump wants to be liked. Who can blame him?

  55. Glengarry: “The Till story is of course convenient for many reasons — denigrating rural white communities, arguing for unrestricted access to white women (including unwilling ones), striking down local justice that doesn’t involve a lawyer lawyer lawyer”

    Precisely. Obviously, the system doesn’t actually care about garbage like Till. Such types murder one another with gusto, yet the system only yawns. But when his death can be used to promote an anti-white narrative, suddenly the nasty little savage is a candidate for beatification.

  56. Larry King once told a story about Trump on-air, about how the Golden Don appeared on his show and asked, during the break, with great interest and concern, “How’d I do? Was it interesting?”

    Trump has always wanted to be liked far too much to do any radical reordering of society.

    That’s more in line with my own mediation-leaning view and perspective of Trump; a scion who maintains an almost womanly nervous preoccupation with his pop image; he used to brag about his “Q”-rating, for God’s sake.

    To me, the thought of that person meeting with international heads of state, like the punk-haircut president of North Korea, just alternately cracks me up and freaks me out. I mean, this is a guy that used to throw big rap DJ cocaine parties with Al Sharpton and Don King presiding; and to process that while watching images of him on CNN in the diplomatic line while talking with interpreters to the head of China is just too much.

  57. The enemies of white Supremacy are perpetuating self-annihilators and their game is the inducement of self-destruction with the loser going first and the winner coming in last AS the inverted mind will have it.

    “Admit till” is a white/black memetic suicide pact.

  58. The longer a white boy denies the truth of white Supremacy, the longer he is determined to “Admit till” the truth of anti-white Supremacy…

    And rather than seeing opportunity for a real regeneration, he “sees” an inescapable duality,

  59. A White boy comes up to Thordaddy. He is a bright 15-year-old. He asks:

    “Mr. Thordaddy, I saw you write something about ‘white Supremacy.’ Can you tell me what that means? I want to know more about this.”

    Thordaddy’s reply: ___

  60. “Young, white boy… white Supremacy is separation from the degenerate mass… white Supremacy is desire for Perfection…. white Supremacy is a frictionless diaspora of the most spirited white men… white Supremacy is EVEN a single white boy transcending the Zeitgeist of “radical autonomy.”

  61. What is it to “transcend” the Zeitgeist of “radical autonomy?”

    It is to reject all acts of self-annihilation including that act of self-annihilation as a “first principle” right.

  62. The teenager replies:

    “Plenty to think about but I think I understand. Except two things: ‘Perfection.’ What does that look like? And ‘radical autonomy’ — is that like just hanging out by yourself with no responsibilities?”

  63. “Not ‘except,’ young man… Accept. Accept Perfection and ‘radical autonomy.’ You KNOW when you are growing and when you are killing your Self.”

  64. Deracination, concretized as “radical sexual autonomy,” is the mutually-embraced pathology of the anti-(white) Supremacists. It is their place of “universal equality.”

    Young, white boy… You don’t want to be in that place of “universal equality” if you desire to grow?

  65. Off topic whatever. Linder is back up and kicking ass.

    Did someone reference in another thread the NY Mag piece-in-question, which is on the AR and the “Far Right”.

    Linder gets right to the point: the one thing the Establishment Press doesn’t mention, is the one thing matters the most: that Whites, like everyone else, have their own interests, and such interests are inherently and explicitly opposed to the jews.

    Apparently the article does not mention the uh, inconvenient fact, that this politics and the people how make it up, are agreed that the jews are opposed to the interests of Team White.

    http://alinderblog.blogspot.com

    NY Mag Runs Longest Piece(s) on Alt-Right Yet

    Deliberately misrepresenting it to fool people. Dozens of writers/analysts all ignore that alt-right either means white racialism or nothing. Dozens of analysts/writers, yet not one mentions that the alt-right is uniformly anti-jew. I believe this is the most significant thing about the entire article. It’s not one article, it’s a bunch, from many different people. Not one of them observes that the ‘alt-right’ sees jews as a big problem, let alone as The Problem. Don’t tell me that people who are aware of myriad insigificant details related to the movement aren’t consciously avoiding mentioning the heart of it. It’s deliberate misrepresentation. NYM doesn’t want young whites to realize that exciting young whites see jews as The Problem. This report has the form of an ‘explainer,’ but in fact it is an attempted reframing. Similar to what (((Milo))) did in his Breitbart piece. He at least mentioned the anti-jew stuff, he just treated it as a joke. In other words, he lied. Flat out, straight up, with full knowledged lied. Of course, he’s a jew. It what dey do. So these NY Mag sids n squids try to cast alt-right as the latest irrational irruption of White Supremacy, that old tyme hate religion. Like every other jew source, they can’t admit whites have interests, like other groups. No, if whites pretend they have interests, it’s only a ruse to lubricate their screwing of other groups, which is their nature and their history. This is monstrously absurd, but it is a charade explanation they have kept up with a straight face for, what, 100 years now? The term ‘racism,’ which was intended to destroy the west, was created by jew Trotsky roughly ninety years ago, a longer running shitsmear than Cats on Broadway.

  66. Here is the link to the article-in-question,

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/beyond-alt-understanding-the-new-far-right.html

    I have not read it, but upon a quick scan, here comes the denial, shallow analysis, cover-up and cliches:

    What are the roots of this rage?

    Where does the alt-right come from? Is it just a new word for racism? Is it a response to economic anxiety? We spoke to historians, sociologists, and thinkers for their perspective.

    White supremacy. Pure and simple.

    “These are the same kind of folks who used to be called white supremacists, renamed themselves in the ’80s as white nationalists to sound less bad, and now have rebranded themselves to look more like they’re part of the right wing. Until the Trump run, most of the people in this movement — white supremacists, white nationalists — had no time for either political party. They basically felt like neither of the parties were appealing to their racial interests. Dog whistling wasn’t enough for them. When Trump attacked Mexicans on day one and then went on to say all kinds of terrible things that were not dog whistles — they were bullhorns — that was certainly seen as a positive for them. —Heidi Beirich, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project

    And is fueled by the well educated and underpaid.

    “Based on the interviews I’ve been doing, members of the alt-right are definitely higher educated [than most Trump voters]. It is a movement that is pretty technologically literate, so it is qualitatively different from the KKK of a generation ago. What some have speculated about, actually within the alt-right itself, is that one of the causes for its growth is that there is a growing number of very skilled and rather talented people who are not of the social status that one might anticipate given their levels of education. So they’re very well trained, very well educated, and they have a lot of time on their hands. So it’s maybe a lot of people who got good STEM degrees and ended up moving back in with their parents. One of the key ways to destroy a budding radical is to make him or her firmly ensconced in the bourgeoisie. Once you are dealing with mortgage payments, you’re not spending time on the internet trying to foment revolution anymore. Part of the problem is this large population that has time and has skills, and it’s angry. There are people who are quite bitter about their experiences and the alt-right tells them that they have answers for them.”

    “The alt-right is not as large as it’s able to appear online. My general argument is that around 2015 or so, what the alt-right did and did very successfully, was through social media, especially Twitter, they created this sort of Potemkin village that they would put up in front of opinion leaders, especially journalists, so that every time they fired up their computer they would see a constant barrage of white-nationalist, anti-Semitic remarks, giving the impression that there was this massive online Nazi army that was taking over the internet. Particularly anti-Trump journalists, particularly Jewish journalists, and particularly if you were a conservative anti-Trump Jewish journalist, if you were to go online, someone from the alt-right was probably there to troll you. I don’t want to say the trolling of the alt-right was super-coordinated, but there were certain personalities that were very likely to be targeted by anonymous alt-right folks on social media. And starting around 2015 you began to see these big stories about this new scary movement called the alt-right, and in a way it sort of became this self-fulfilling prophecy. I think the real change especially occurred about Hillary gave her Reno speech in which she denounced the alt-right. Which, at that point, I think the growth of the movement really sped up. Which is not to say that she necessarily made a mistake, but the alt-right viewed it as a major victory to be brought into the national conversation that way.” —George Hawley, political scientist and author of the forthcoming Making Sense of the Alt-Right

    But what if the real cause is modernity itself, which is just a racist construct?

    blah blah blah

  67. Here is a further quote from the article:

    “This election was said to be about two contradictory things. The end of identity politics and simultaneously without a sense of contradiction the reassertion of the white working class. As if the white working class is not rooted in identity politics. Whiteness is our culture has been pretty consistent. It’s been denying its particularity and its roots in a specific economic or cultural or class formation as a race and sees itself as a universal. When white people hear race, they think black, brown, red, and yellow; they don’t think white. That’s why white people can say, “Why don’t you people stop talking about race?” They believe that they are Americans. They don’t have a race. They think they don’t have a commitment to a particular ideology other than an ostensible neutrality and objectivity.” —Michael Eric Dyson, professor of sociology, Georgetown University

    What a bunch of idiocy.

    White identity politics asserting themselves and simultaneously opposing the identity politics of other groups, is NOT a contradiction.

    It is CONSISTENT with White representing themselves.

    But since they can’t allow for that basic premise, they end tied up in nots and muddled thinking and goobledigook. (see above)

    The fact that Mr whoever-the-fuck Dyson is considered smart and an authority on things, and he talks like a pretentious 115 iq grad student, might be a clue to something.

  68. The heuristic that they will not consider, is simply:

    1) Whites have their own interests
    2) jews are opposed to those interests
    3) White interests are not represented in the current political arrangement

    As Linder sums it up, they take as a premise that America is “mostly” a white country, and that therefore Whites looking for more representation, are out to take advantage of others and get more than their share — because look at America, it is already mostly white, and white on top, is it not?

    And since they also do not allow for consideration of the jew problem, the political representation of America cannot be seen for what it is.

  69. A criticism of my presentation of the facts as they stand, in America today, might be that:

    It is conceded that Whites are represented, to some significant degree.

    In terms of wealth, Whites do have their share of wealth, do they not?

    So that fact might could be used as a criticism: Hey look, you (whites) already have a good share of the wealth and power.

    But realistically, that share of the wealth and power is almost completely in the hands of the jews.

    What can White people point to, as theirs? What symbols and accomplishments in America today.

    What art for that matter.

  70. I have not read it, but upon a quick scan, here comes the denial, shallow analysis, cover-up and cliches:

    Well, that’s what happens, is a given, when a subculture or outright dissident movement, finally gets caught up in the klieg lights of msm memes; it’s somewhat to be expected —– and that, fwiw, is why i’m sometimes known for stressing the importance of not showing image incontinence — of having control over your political identity —- because it’s not something you or ANYONE has total control over.

    elk: “This election was said to be about two contradictory things. The end of identity politics and simultaneously without a sense of contradiction the reassertion of the white working class. As if the white working class is not rooted in identity politics. Whiteness is our culture has been pretty consistent. It’s been denying its particularity and its roots in a specific economic or cultural or class formation as a race and sees itself as a universal. When white people hear race, they think black, brown, red, and yellow; they don’t think white. That’s why white people can say, “Why don’t you people stop talking about race?” They believe that they are Americans. They don’t have a race. They think they don’t have a commitment to a particular ideology other than an ostensible neutrality and objectivity.” —Michael Eric Dyson, professor of sociology, Georgetown University

    elk: What a bunch of idiocy.

    Actually, I’m quite bothered by a lot of what Dyson says; he and other star black academics are very much into a lot of trite racial puffery, but i actually concur with what he says to some degree above: whites do sometimes bemoan racial politics in others while denying their own. I think they should pitch their own racial stake more, recognize the extent they do as their own, and then also deal with NAM and Asian racial politics on its own level of racial partisanship; IOW: part of the problem is from populist whites playing the ‘raceless card’ in the late-modernist era anyhow, problem as a counter to modern liberalism. IMO, that was a mistake; whites have earned their racial sovereignty.

  71. So these NY Mag sids n squids try to cast alt-right as the latest irrational irruption of White Supremacy, — Linder

    This is the money quote because it is the half-truth attempting to obscure the greater truth.

    “We” already know that the Jew qua Jew is anti-white Supremacy and WILL CAST any threat to this belief, whether real or conceived, as “white supremacy.” And clearly, as Linder implies, the Alt-Rite IS NOT white Supremacy, but neither is white Supremacy an “irrational irruption” of any sort. Linder seems not to know any better? This personal shortcoming of Linder’s is inexplicable and highly suspicious.

  72. I laughed at this line from the NY Mag article:

    One of the key ways to destroy a budding radical is to make him or her firmly ensconced in the bourgeoisie. Once you are dealing with mortgage payments, you’re not spending time on the internet trying to foment revolution anymore.

  73. When you are dealing with mortgage payments, you have a way of looking at anyone who’d destroy what you’re working on as toxic biomass to be incinerated, and those who deploy them as terminable without consent. If you are forward-looking, especially so. If they want to “destroy a budding radical” moment, they can rescind integration, stop making White men pay for nigger-reproduction, and send the mud-migrants back. Wouldn’t it be nice to walk in the sun once more? The thing about budding radical movements is, that they are ideas that culminate in unstoppable collective action for the purpose of securing that, which the establishment had been unable or unwilling to let be.

  74. but i actually concur with what he says to some degree above: whites do sometimes bemoan racial politics in others while denying their own

    I agree that Dyson’s description of Whites doing that, is accurate. And further, the rest of that excerpted graph is not off the mark. He is describing how Whites are reluctant or unwilling or unable to take up their own flag, and instead fall back on being “American” or this or that principle.

    What Dyson misses, however, is that the AR is quite simply the anecdote to that. And instead of making that straightforward leap, he confuses and obfuscates, by for example calling Whites taking up their own cause “contradictory”.

    Perhaps I am missing something about his point.

  75. When white people hear race, they think black, brown, red, and yellow; they don’t think white. That’s why white people can say, “Why don’t you people stop talking about race?” They believe that they are Americans. They don’t have a race. They think they don’t have a commitment to a particular ideology other than an ostensible neutrality and objectivity.” —Michael Eric Dyson

    That’s civic nationalism, and it is very dated. Dyson may hear it from polite-society conservatives and people who are squeamish about White identity in front of him. What does “American” mean any more? A toothy Eritrean a few years ago was hailed as “the first American to win the Boston Marathon since [year].” You guys can’t even say “I am a native American” because that already means something else. All sixteen of your great-great-grandparents were born here and you aren’t a native American. In contrast, I can say “I am a native Pole” day and night.

    Back in grad school in the late 90s, I pushed back on the PC with that same civic nationalism, my take being that our study of literature should focus on higher things, Matthew Arnold’s “best that had been said and thought” rather than the alien-sounding grievance-poems by ugly Chinese immigrant women. I had no idea of identity then, my own really either, and I unquestioningly thought of myself as an American because I was white (lower case back then), responsible, hard-working, Army veteran, and having to that point dated solely American girls.

    That whole construction flew apart with the manic inclusiveness and the never-ending stream of diluting fluids pumped into this American pool. White identity is a place we are all being driven to. Only an abject cuck, at this point — or a creature of habit and caked-up mental ear-wax — will look around and still insist that we are all Americans. What the fuck does American mean, if it officially means “everybody”?

    As Elk succinctly puts it, “AR is quite simply the anecdote to that.”

  76. Civic nationalism that wasn’t motivated by cuck-compliance was never internally coherent or honest, even as promoted by me in my un-examined way back in my twenties. Or rather, it wasn’t so much dishonest as much as its viability relied on a tacit agreement among legacy-Americans of all backgrounds that the culture will be based on Protestant values, that Whites are going to be a solid responsible majority, that minorities (such a quaint word now) will have the desired autonomy while remaining respectful to the prevailing norms, and that immigrants, allowed in on a color-blind basis, will “assimilate.” Also, certain taboos will be respected in a “let’s not discuss it” way, said taboos hinging on the more uncomfortable realities of HBD and Whites’ disgust with mixing.

    That may have been workable in perpetuity as long as the NUMBERS worked. But they had to open the borders, weaponize the blacks, open the borders some more, demoralize Whites, and openly declare a war of genocide against Whites.

    When someone twenty years ago or more said “Why don’t you people stop talking about race? can’t we all just be Americans?” — he was defending that civic nationalist arrangement I described above. Anyone who still says it, does it out of habit or manners only. But otherwise, nobody believes it any longer.

  77. I think they should pitch their own racial stake more, recognize the extent they do as their own, and then also deal with NAM and Asian racial politics on its own level of racial partisanship; IOW: part of the problem is from populist whites playing the ‘raceless card’ in the late-modernist era anyhow, problem as a counter to modern liberalism. IMO, that was a mistake; whites have earned their racial sovereignty.

    Sincere thanks for saying this.
    And I was ready to come on here and take you to the woodshed for being a disingenuous concern troll.

  78. Interestingly nikcrit, you aren’t the only one who has recently expressed a similar sentiment to me recently. I have an acquaintance who is gay, black, and far left, whose partner was very active in BLM in Detroit. I ran into him at a show just after the Trump election, he in his shellshocked state of mind said to me “2040. That’s the year we get to hold up the mirror to you white folks.” I later saw him at a bar just after returning from my Cali gig and we started talking politics. Now I usually have to tread very lightly around him because he is a typical screechy liberal, but he broached the topic of the alt-right, which is on everyone’s lips these days. He said he has been listening to Richard Spencer, and whaddya know – he actually agreed with much of what he had to say. He said that whites should be able to have their own identity and interests, but his only concern was the potential for it to turn violent.

  79. Well, that’s what happens, is a given, when a subculture or outright dissident movement, finally gets caught up in the klieg lights of msm memes; it’s somewhat to be expected —– and that, fwiw, is why i’m sometimes known for stressing the importance of not showing image incontinence — of having control over your political identity —- because it’s not something you or ANYONE has total control over.

    Again, who cares about the MSM?
    The median fox news watcher is 68 years old. CNN’s average audience is 59. Boomers are hopelessly cucked there is no point in trying to reach them through the legacy media.
    Basically, WE are the new media. We’ve gone this far without worrying about what some kike in Hollywood or New York thinks about us, it would be stupid to start hang wringing about the “mainstream media” image at this point.

  80. MGE,
    Thnx, but re. who cares about the MSM? I mean that term in the contemporary sense of however and to whatever extent your political group identity and affiliation is known by ‘the media,’ i.e., some sort of ever-changing identity discerned through an endless mediation loop of influences, from cable news and local network affiliate news broadcasts, to talk radio and emerging online sites and podcasts/

    Like it or now, when you read a relatively mainstream or just plain non-alt-right news source refer to Richard Spencer, you’re invariably going to hear phrases such as “founder of the alt-right” and “alt-right figurehead” and “coiner of the phrase ‘alt-right,” etc., ad infinitum.

    That shite matters. It can save you from uncountable hours of clarification of position and re-assessing or disowning prior associations and myriad other potential hassles and ‘work-arounds.’ I’ve been criticized at times for advancing this and having it been defined as ‘concern trolling.’ What’s funny is that the ones most compelled to accuse me of as much are often the same ones who whine the loudest about how the mainstream vilifies them and the alt-right or whatever the risque new kid on the block because of their ideological derring-do.

    No, most of the time, it’s because they didn’t know how to behave and present themselves when they were coming into being and garnering their initial attention.

    To wit: I bet Spencer is spending a lot of time explaining, and as a result regretting, those small speeches he gave shortly after the election, in which he did the fist-raising gestures and ‘Heil Trump’ declarations. Given the overall broad aims of him and his movement and the toxic if purely symbolic and trifling assocations that come from that speech gesture, it’s almost a surely a net-loss in terms of the result of such media exposure.

  81. What more explicit example of an alt-rite figure being deceptively labeled “white supremacist” is needed than Donald Trump, himself? The dichotomous reality is that your average radical autonomist is both unable to define his perception with widely acknowledged nomenclature and fit to emit erroneous prognostications concerning the SUPERIOR WILL of the “another.”

    So Dyson is, ultimately, a real nigger because he hides The Big Lie in a collide-a-scope of half-truths.

    And Linder…. He won’t just ADMIT that he is anti-white Supremacy BECAUSE he rejects Christ as The Perfect Man so subordinated is He to His ethnic origin. So Linder projects.

  82. A ruthlessly radical mind
    Admits nothing
    Emits something
    Undiscernable
    Sum Ring
    Revolutionary
    Left wing
    The imbalanced offering
    Tips the Scale
    With prophet zing
    Sting
    Psychoptic bee
    Ate eyes
    Biting everything
    Tongue-lashing
    Mouth on spring
    Falls back
    Destroys your seen
    One brain
    And the Universal Machine
    Co-opted and adopted
    To hate, crazy, mean
    A ruthlessly radical mind
    Let the brute-a-full reign…

  83. Subordinating one’s desire for Perfection in relation to an oppressive ethnocentric equality is the individual’s death wish…

    But…

    If Jew desires a perpetuating self-annihilation AS THE REALIZATION of “radical autonomy” THEN Jewill advocate ethnocentric equality and anti-Perfection in an inevitably discordant manner.

  84. “White nationalism” is liberated cuck-speak.

    White nations ARE…

    So “white nationalism” already is…

    A GIVEN.

    Contrasting this GIVEN ^^^ to the “antifa” as “opposing forces” IS DISINGENUOUS…

    Because “antifa” ARE NOT GIVENS, but rather, “free radicals” bought and sold into and out of existence.

    So the contrast is immersive distraction to the point of delerium. Technologically-advanced.

    Sustained separation is the stuff of white Supremacy. It requires extreme will.

    Alt-rite is still perplexed and in conflict with its racialized incarnation.

    There is no “identity crisis” within genuine white Supremacy.

  85. To be sure, “antifa,” as broken and sold individual collect-a-fists, are extremely dangerous in this “father-hate” period of time in their usually nascent existence for the most basic reason of operating by “any means necessary” and declaring themselves “terminable without consent.” The “father-hate” found in the “antifa” is the very equivalent to the “father-hate” one can discern in the nigger collecthive.

  86. Metaphysically, healthy-minded white man coaleacing around anything less than Perfection is physically impossible per “The fallacy of universal equality.”

  87. Thordaddy, the moment I’m indulgent, you abuse it. You’re modded and strings of monomania comments will be deleted.

  88. Poland’s foreign policy in modern times has been to form alliances with more distant powers as bulwark against the neighboring Germany and Russia. During the Partitions, statesmen who sought independence cast their lot with Napoleon Bonaparte, who remains a Romantic figure in Polish myths, he’s even named in the national anthem.

    Ahead of WWII, with expansionist Hitler and communist Stalin on either side, Poland made a mutual defense pact with England and France. Polish government also approached the UK about a joint preemptive attack on Germany in 1938, I believe.

    During post-war communism and afterwards, that distant ally was the United States. Over the past two decades, friendly relations with the US had been considered economic leverage against the EU (aka Germany) and a guarantee of military security against Russia.

    Those alliances have a poor track record, and I consider the presence of US military in Eastern Europe a cure more deadly than the real or imagined disease.

    With big EU countries like France and Germany making hostile overtures to Visegrad nations, a question of alliance is complicated by the unipolar nature of global power. The EU is a vassal entity of the USA and like its domestic policy, American foreign and military policy is, in D&D parlance, chaotic evil.

  89. That NY Mag series has a panicky tone to it. It’s the sound of a liberal elite losing their grip on the Narrative.

  90. Thordaddy, the moment I’m indulgent, you abuse it.

    Ok, no surprise there —— but the take-a-way for me from his latest volley was kaleidoscope being phonically re-aligned into “collide-a-scope.” Brilliant!

    IDK. I say there’s an untapped genius residing in T-diddy; it’s just that no one can put up with the SOB long enough to figure out EXACTLY what it is! Lol…

    [I do like the poems — PA]

  91. PA…. I would understand if I came to your ring in the middle of the day and wrecked the line-up with a barrage…. But late at night, shadow boxing to the incessant “whynes” of the day when no one is even sparring? It must be a Polish thing?

  92. [I do like the poems — PA]

    Has Thordaddy ever clarified if these are supposed to be poems or raps to be performed over a hip hop beat?

  93. Not sure, but I once read one of his poems while listening to the drum solo of Phil Collins’ “I don’t care any more” and the effect was killer.

  94. Ahead of WWII, with expansionist Hitler and communist Stalin on either side, Poland made a mutual defense pact with England and France. Polish government also approached the UK about a joint preemptive attack on Germany in 1938, I believe.

    This was all a deliberate scheme by the British and the (((real power group))) in England. They wanted the destruction of Germany. Hitler wanted to unite the German speaking peoples, such as in Danzig, into one nation. Polish Jews were also very active in trying to stoke a war with Germany. Interesting details here:

    http://www.tomatobubble.com/worldwarii.html

  95. Poland and Germany had an irreconcilable territorial dispute: Danzig. For Poland, it meant access to Baltic Sea and for Germany, it was necessary to stay contiguous with East Prussia (present-day Mazury in N.E. Poland). The UN worked out the “free city” compromise but it worked like a lot of other things put together by a committee. Both countries had historic claim to the city. I believe that before the war, it’s population was half-Polish but Protestant, half-German. The surrounding countryside was (and largely still is) Kashubian, which is a Polish-dialect micronation.

    The towering figure of the Second Polish Republic (the interbellum years) is Jozef Pilsudski, who is largely credited with securing Polish independence after WWI, and as head of state, he was the commander-in-chief of Polish armed forces in the 1920 Polish-Soviet war. That feat alone was enough to make him a larger-than-life figure, as Poland was expected to crumble under attack, clearing the way for Lenin to go all the way to Berlin and unite Europe under communism. But the Polish army routed the USSR in the battle known as “The Miracle on the Vistula.”

    But it was his personality that made Pilsudski the epic hero figure. I haven’t seen anyone else make that parallel, but he can in some ways be compared to Donald Trump. His vision for Poland was nostalgic and imperial, based on the First Republic’s commonwealth of Poland, Lithuania, and Ukraine. He was friendly to Jewish interests and Polish nationalists hated him, their vision being a smaller, ethnically pure state. He was a socialist, but Pilsudski’s greatest hate was the USSR and communism. At that time, Marxism was the “inevitable future,” and most intellectuals considered him out of step with the times.

    He died in 1935, and I’d have to refresh my memory on his stance toward Germany. I believe he wanted peaceful relations, focusing on re-establishing Poland as the multinational empire that looked East, stretching from the Baltic to the Black Sea like it did at its height in the 18th century.

  96. O.T.@Camlost,

    I recall that you often bring up info —– or the lack thereof —–on Obama’s girlfriends up to his introduction to Michelle. Well, this biographer in his new book, which was overall panned hard in the nytimes.com, uses an old flame of his as a primary source but i guess also includes details of her generally bad memories and lovelorn regrets re. Barry’s charms.

    Here’s the review, though the reviewer doesn’t go into literal detail, as it sounds like that is the book’s lone source of new information about our erstwhile president…

  97. O.T.@Camlost,

    I recall that you often bring up info —– or the lack thereof —–on Obama’s girlfriends up to his introduction to Michelle.

    Exactly!! I was going to post that later.

    But the only lack is the complete dearth of black girlfriends for Obama before Michelle. There’s plenty of whites/others.

    In another review of that book they quote a line about how when Obama turned 25 he started to get overtly political and even muse about the Presidency. It was at that point he realized/acknowledged that he could not be married to a non-black woman and be a viable candidate with black Americans in politics and he told that to the white girlfriend.

    Just as Camlost has been saying for 8 years!! (**** pats self on the back ****)

  98. Cam,
    RE. his mid-20s epiphany about his chances for becoming president in the face of his choice of girlfriends’ racial background: who elucidated this paradox? Obama, to his girlfriend, reported by the biographer? Obama musing to himself, assumed by the biographer? Obama in some other context that you’re alluding to?

    What is the source provenance of this racial realization?

  99. As recounted by Sailer, this is from the Garrow book (I don’t own it yet):

    Discussions of race and politics suddenly overwhelmed Sheila and Barack’s relationship. “The marriage discussions dragged on and on,” but now they were clouded by Obama’s “torment over this central issue of his life . . . race and identity,” Sheila recalls. The “resolution of his black identity was directly linked to his decision to pursue a political career,” she said.

    In Garrow’s telling, Obama made emotional judgments on political grounds. A close mutual friend of the couple recalls Obama explaining that “the lines are very clearly drawn. . . . If I am going out with a white woman, I have no standing here.” …

    He points out that Obama’s cocaine use extended into his post-college years, longer than Obama had previously acknowledged.

  100. The bloody obvious.

    No, I’m asking Cam how that claim is raised and made in the book? From Obama’s mouth? From the girl’s mouth? From unsourced others?

  101. This woman Miyoshi-Jager doesn’t look white; she looks at least ‘hapa’ if not outright Asian, of the Indonesian division, no?

  102. That Times review is so very butt hurt! Exactly what one would expect. In fact, my guess is that the book actually contains a good deal of interesting factoids about Obammy given how hard Kakutani is trying to push readers away from the book.

    And then a line like this:

    to the bitter musings of Sheila Miyoshi Jager, the former girlfriend Obama had met in Chicago — who remained upset for years over their breakup…

    Oh my, the “bitter musings” of a woman! A Times writer would NEVER say such a thing other than in support of an Important Mythology. I mean, can you imagine the Times printing a line that said, “the bitter musings of Ms. Beauty Pageant, the former girlfriend Trump had met…”

    Indeed, the Times itself would pounce on such a line with hearty vitriol as being horribly misogynistic and stereotyped. But here it’s all good. Must must must protect the Holy Negro.

  103. “This woman Miyoshi-Jager doesn’t look white”

    Half Dutch half Japanese.

    “No, I’m asking Cam how that claim is raised and made in the book?”

    Ahh, ok.

  104. Half Dutch half Japanese.

    Ohh, I see: a bit of mediated shadow play in order to fit the, umm, “counter-Narrative.”

    Let’s see if I have this straight: the Narrative-serving MSM ‘whitened’ George Zimmerman in order to turn St. Trayvon Martin into the prime anti-racist victim.

    But now when exposing Obama’s spousal window-dressing in calculating his White House ascendance, Obama ditches not a ‘hapa’ but a media-ready ‘white woman’ mudshark to exemplify his duplicitous ambition.

    But then what’s a few twists on the facts when it serves the larger and more noble, umm, ‘counter-narrative,’ eh? 🙂

  105. But now when exposing Obama’s spousal window-dressing in calculating his White House ascendance, Obama ditches not a ‘hapa’ but a media-ready ‘white woman’ mudshark to exemplify his duplicitous ambition.

    Does it matter?

    Whatever she is, it ain’t black. And we know that he wasn’t with any other black women before Michelle, either. And that’s not the least bit curious.

    If you wanna know how far black politicians married to white woman can go in the USA, see Harold Ford, Jr. It’s a non-starter, and Obama knew it and must have inner resentment over it but he can never utter a word about it again.

  106. Apparently in this book, Obama admits to “considering” gayness, but instead chose the “more challenging” heterosexual lifestyle. (his words in quotes)

    As SoBL points out, no man can “consider” being gay, unless he is.

    So my stated opinion has been vindicated, that he is a twink.

  107. Lol. . I know and anticipated that fault line in retorts to my comment. Harold Ford? Does he count? I have a close friend who knows him. He’s told me some entertaining tidbits…IDK, Ford is so “bright-skinneded” that even PA might let him into the gene pool. Lol

  108. Someone mighta could whispered in O.’s ear that it (perhaps) wouldn’t have been so “challenging” with someone other than Mookie ‘Big Paw’ Robinson.

  109. O.T.: Found this quote by Lawrence Auster that I tthought was interesting (if a bit meta for its being so early);

    On modern liberalism:
    Modern liberalism is a leftist and nihilistic rebellion against the inherently unequal nature of the human condition. If we conservatives named this ideology for what it is, we would have a fair chance to defeat it or at least stem its advance. But if we go on imagining that leftists are liberals who share with us a common moral consensus as Americans—if we continue to regard their hateful assaults on us and our institutions as expressions of “silly” political correctness rather than of their fundamental drive to abolish our system of government and destroy us as a people, then we will be unable to oppose them in any way that counts, and they will keep driving us and our civilization backwards, step by step, until finally nothing remains. If we are effectively to oppose modern liberalism with its destructive double standards, we must oppose it on principle.

  110. O.T.: Found this quote by Lawrence Auster that I tthought was interesting (if a bit meta for its being so early);

    There’s also this:

  111. The Spectre video: That face is evil personified. Captain Obvious over at CH has coined the term “biological Calvinism”, or the idea that a person’s physical appearance reflects his character, emphasizing the notion that our judgment of someone’s physical beauty or ugliness is our perception of the person’s innate goodness or evil. Her physiognomy is demonic. A bird’s face like a mask, not-exactly-human eyes behind it.

    The hotel in Vienna: the EU flag hopefully gets burned. The German and the American flags, I assume, are a standard hospitality gesture for what probably is the most common nationality of their guests. The UN flag is more virtue-signalling than supplication, and it also needs to go, replaced by the Austrian flag in the center.

  112. PA, slightly off topic but related to the above.
    What do you think is the primary reason we invaded Iraq?

  113. — What do you think is the primary reason we invaded Iraq?

    Immediate answer: no idea!

    Theories worth considering:
    – Israel’s policy of destabilizing secular Arab states
    – The Pentagon’s prerogative to spend ordnance, grow their budget, implement geopolitical strategies whether or not the geopolitical situation calls for them
    – Fear of a resurgent Iraq attempting to repeat its invasion of Kuwait
    – Iraq’s moves to sell oil for Euros
    – Establishing US military presence on both sides of Iran (with Afghanistan)
    – Establishing US military presence in central Asia / closer to Russia

  114. – keep the “neocons” happy
    – stupid ideas about “national-building,” meaning that you can invade and wag your finger at Arabs/Muslims and they will suddenly start forming a western-style country that resembles Switzerland.
    – desire to protect Saudi Arabia, our “frienemy” in the Middle East who does everything the USG tells them to do

  115. Yes, those are also good likely points. It’s funny, by they way, how quickly W has been rehabilitated by libs, one example being Nancy Pelosi praising him recently. Maybe a similar bullet list can be made in response to the question “Why did liberals hate GWB so much?”

    By the way, y’all might want to consider getting a Gab.ai account. It is the free-speech alternative to Twitter and it’s more interesting. I’m there as @PA_01. No need to provide a real phone number to get an account, just an email, and there is a few days’ wait time before your account is approved.

  116. After the final debate in France it’s pretty clear that Le Pen doesn’t have a chance in the runoff against the flake boy Macron.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39791175

    This is the first time that a Nationalist candidate has made it to the final ballot as a legitimate candidate in France, though. Another serious attack could change things, though.

  117. I saw a 19% figure of French voters who are refusing to vote. Observers of politics such as Vox Day have been saying for a while that the present election cycle (Brexit, Trump, LePen) is is not it yet, as far as full-on nationalist electoral revolt. That’s the next election cycle.

    Some have said that the plot of French islamization in “Submission” is playing itself out just as the author predicted. Others say “nonsense” because in Houellebecq’s book, islam is embraced because it solves the social problems of liberalism and establishes civic peace — and there is scant evidence that multiethnic societies can be peaceful and functioning under that religion; Beirut writ-large is the likelier scenario if islamization takes place, they say.

  118. Beirut writ-large is the likelier scenario if islamization takes place, they say.

    Yes, but Beirut-type civil war is possible partly because there’s no economic commerce between different ethnic/religious factions there. (they’re still tribal)

    I don’t think you’ll see that in Europe – the real question is what the left will push for even when Muslims reach the somewhat low 20-30% of the population and see a consequent rise in political clout.

    The left will join with Muslims to demand that the Muslim sabbath (Fridays) get recognition and become an off day just like Sundays. In the UK they will start to reject the Union Jack – those are the christian crosses of St. George and St. Andrew in there. In France they will demand that all school-age females wear the hijab in public schools.

    They will push for restrictions on pork, TV programming, demolition of historically Christian holidays… you name it.

    These sorts of occurrences will be the beginning.

    And you can forget assimilation of subsequent generations – Muslim fathers in France and the UK who are working every day and providing for the family surely don’t want to see their daughters being liberal, socially free and fucke*d by “native” European boys – they will make their families adhere to even stricter versions of Islam than what they practiced before moving to the West in the first place.

  119. Desire for seventy-two virgins for eternal smashings is desire for radical sexual autonomy…

    Desire for homo* sexuality is desire for radical sexual autonomy…

    Islam and the Western Left EXIST in a symbiotic regression

    An EXISTENCE of extreme sexual rivalry ever bordering on total annihilation.

    That France is first to go down on Islam only shows “us” the law of attraction and the stench of faggotry throughout the lands of the “Frhench-men.”

    *See Macron

  120. Apparently in this book, Obama admits to “considering” gayness, but instead chose the “more challenging” heterosexual lifestyle. (his words in quotes)

    As SoBL points out, no man can “consider” being gay, unless he is.

    He surely “experimented” during those years of doing heavy drugs, hanging out with fruits/nuts/hippies and not knowing where he wanted to go in life.

  121. It’s rather telling that NIkcrit, still completely baffled by the Trump trained, cannot see that Obama was “he” who told “us” that LITERALLY ANYONE can be a “President of the United States.”

    Obama was the empirical fact of Total Debasement Of The Presidential Office.

  122. Theories worth considering:
    – Israel’s policy of destabilizing secular Arab states
    – The Pentagon’s prerogative to spend ordnance, grow their budget, implement geopolitical strategies whether or not the geopolitical situation calls for them
    – Iraq’s moves to sell oil for Euros

    All good, but the last is especially important. The petro dollar is king. Look at Gaddafi. He was ZERO problem to us. In fact, he was helping Europe by keeping the invasion force at bay. But we offed him. What was he trying to do? Create an alternate African currency regime to get out from under the petro-dollar. Also: there was no central bank in Libya beholden to the banking cabal. What was one of the first things done after Gaddafi was horribly killed? They put in the bank.

    Why do they want Assad’s scalp? Guess what: Syria is one of the few nations that isn’t connected to the world bank.

    What’s up with North Korea? Not part of the world bank.

    Oh yeah, other nations that didn’t have central banks? Iraq and Afghanistan. They do now.

    And one more: Iran. Axis of Evil anyone?

  123. — Not part of the world bank.

    Sometime c. 2003, there was some noise coming from the usual quarters about Belarus, the talking points being that Lukashenko is a communist-style dictator who oppresses various minority groups in his country. I haven’t heard anything about Belarus since then.

  124. Invisible energy equals crypto-currency equals the mechanism of execution in the “hidden hands” of a radical autonomist.

    Technologically-advanced “black magic.”

  125. What exactly is illegitmate about toppling regimes that attempt to “deal” in their own self-created currency, secularly-speaking?

  126. I have heard those world bank “conspiracies” before. Haha, kidding.

    Yeah, when it is listed out like that, it is impossible to not figure that that is the driving force of all this American foreign policy. Which foreign policy sucks.

  127. Few ever make the case for the illegitimacy of “fiat currency” or fighting and dying to ensure the “petro-dollar” remain the dominate “currency.” And that’s because most are nascent autonomists and would appear foolish in attempting to make the case that defies the principality of their very existence. The reality is that at the individual level, one deals in the “currencies” set forth by greater entities of energy, yet, the ability and capability to created one’s own “currency” to deal amongst the world’s “currencies” HAS NEVER BEEN MORE WIDE OPEN with the advent of crypto-currencies and blockchain technology. Most simply do not “see” the totality of the Internet machine as a giant conductor of “global current” and those multitudes of currents perpetually up for grab, plunder, subterfuge, amplification and whatnot.

    The white Supremacist must delve deeply into the “invisible energies” again.

  128. A real “white” radical would deny “Emmett Till” and never “ADMIT till” never emit squeal never add mint teal NEVER advent wheel… A real “white” radical would deny that black boy’s very existence FROM “its” beginning.

    Anything less and “we” have a cucked-up mind. No real “white” radical. Just a poseur, hoser and seriously wretched brown noser.

  129. That link provided by Glengary upthread was too interesting for just a brief verbal news description; here’s a vid link on the details of the man who produced 30 kids for the Tenessee dole:

  130. To stay on our current offf-topic topic, this instance of the tangent has a more entertaining culprit; just check this one out…

    I love it: “I’m not a bad man —— I’m just ambitious!”

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