Trump Voters as Seen by the Other Side

As quoted by a commenter at Lion of the Blogosphere, this is what one career anti-White wrote before the election:

Here’s a Facebook post from Mr. [Tim] Wise from October 2nd:

Trump supporters are easily break-down-able into the following categories:

1. Blatant racists and white nationalists who have overwhelmingly pledged their fealty to him;

2. Conspiracy minded lunatics who have overdosed on Alex Jones videos and think Infowars is a legit news site rather than a place for mentally imbalanced people to meet;

3. People who are legitimately hurting and legitimately detest neoliberalism but somehow believe a rich guy is the one who will deliver them from that…mostly because they’re racists and thus never supported Bernie Sanders, who said all the same things about neoliberalism but wasn’t a bigot;

4. Pathetic Republicans who support the brand more than human decency and will vote for and flak for any Republican, no matter how objectionable, just because of the R next to their name…

And no matter which of these one falls into…they all deserve to be politically destroyed…immediately and forever….

There is more in Wise’s comment under that link. Blogger LOTB notes:

Minus the sarcasm and the hatred for the people in the categories, he correctly identified some categories of Trump supporter.

Let’s go with that. Here are Wise’s four points, minus the lurid prose. Do they in fact describe one of Donald Trump’s supporters — me?

1. Racists and White Nationalists

Yes. From the moment a newborn learns the difference between “me” and “others,” the boundaries of his self become fundamental to his existence as sentient being with a personal as well as a social identity. Racism is a human right. People who are insulated from ways in which diversity bring its joys are afforded serenity about the sordid business of race. Others have their faces rubbed in it daily. And yes, I am a White Nationalist because I believe that we must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children. After all, Tim Wise has been reminding us, over and over, that their future is in jeopardy.

2. Conspiracy Theorists

Yes. Vigilance is a civic duty. You have to be five years old to deny that very powerful people conspire to do bad things and that national institutions cover for them with false narratives that are accepted by the public.

3a. Detesting Neoliberalism

Yes. Neoliberalism is a satanic project. If religious language doesn’t move you, then you can also call it a project whose principals are stripping mankind of things that elevate us above animals — identity, aspiration, transcendence — to reduce us to bestial consumers.

As to suffering under Neoliberalism: if you aren’t, you’re blind. It’s not just their animus for the White working class; that’s just them going for the gut rather than the head to kill the body. So no matter how well-off you are… think about that man in upstate New York who gave up on looking for a job five years ago and whose daughter is a meth addict — and don’t be smug. He’s our brother and you are next.

It never had to be that way.

3b. Trump As Savior

Donald Trump is someone we trust to deliver a mortal blow to Neoliberalism. So far … expectations spectacularly exceeded.

4. Support for the Republican Brand

No. We have long made it clear that we are at odds with the Republican Party and its invite-the-world, invade-the-world neocon obscenity. Some of us broke with the GOP in 1996 over Bob Dole’s “the exists are clearly marked” speech. I left the Republican Party when John McCain was nominated in 2008 and I came back when The God Emperor stepped up to smite the cucks.

***

I recently pointed out that you can look at any news aggregator page and see an inflammatory headline about European nations that assert their right to exist. Near the top of Yahoo’s main page yesterday morning:

A Hungarian village declared ‘war’ on Muslim immigration. Few Objected. The Hungarian village of Asotthalom has only two Muslim residents, but that hasn’t stopped its mayor from declaring war on… [Washington Post]

They’re not saying that Hungarians are bayonetting Belgian babies… yet. That list of headlines was topped with:

Pennsylvania college group wants pins to start conversation on ‘white privilege’ A political group at a Pennsylvania liberal arts college launched a project to raise awareness about what it means to live with… [Fox News]

Here you’ll find Tim Wise’s infamous “Tick-Tock” post from 2010, in which he wrote the following before deleting it:

We just have to be patient.

And wait for your hearts to stop beating.

And stop they will.

And for some of you, real damned soon truth be told.

Do you hear it?

Their hate for us is orgasmic because we’re smarter than they are. That’s why they cannot be allowed to return to power. If that means doing away with the pretense of constitutional republic, then so be it. Otherwise they will make damned sure they finish the job they began in earnest under George H.W. Bush.

They danced on our graves too soon.

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133 thoughts on “Trump Voters as Seen by the Other Side

  1. Ulric, perceptive point. One of Moldbug’s first observations in 2007 was that progs are as powerful as they are because they attract smart, young, ambitious people. Are these strivers now supposed to gravitate to the likes of John Podesta?

    Of course, it’s ultimately not just the image, but also the promise of aligning oneself with Power that pulls the talented and the ambitious. People with high disgust thresholds can deal with the Trannies, Trigglies, Trayvons, and Trudeaus. Which is why it’s important that any platforms that give SJWs access to power be dismantled.

  2. The left does often attempt to ascribed mentally instability to people whose opinions differ from their opinions. Someone posted a letter on Facebook, signed by 33 Portland psychiatrists, stating Trump is mentally unfit to be president. They admitted it is considered unprofessional to diagnose people you have never met, but decided to do it anyway.
    Of course there are mentally unstable people on the right, but the same is true of the left.

  3. I used to get defensive when people called me a racist for supporting Trump. From now on, I am just going to shrug my shoulders and say, “I guess”. I don’t hate people of other races generally, but I am racially aware, so I am a racist.

  4. The tick tock post is funny, because the ones actually going extinct are the white liberals and secular jews. White conservatives have a healthy TFR.

    In any case, the ability of the left to attract the top talent will diminish because it has no place anymore for self criticism. The left will become dominated by time servers, rent seekers and social climbers. Critics will be purged. The best, most original thinkers will no longer find a place there.

    As in all thing in the culture war, gamergate is the canary in the coalmine. The left will soon be dominated by the Zoe Quinns and and the Anita Sarkeesians.

  5. Gamergate was a sign that the other side has run out of places and sincures for their own errant children. If some of them have to take over video gaming journalism, then there really are no spots left at the trough.

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  7. “I used to get defensive when people called me a racist for supporting Trump.”

    Me, too, Lara. But not anymore. It has to do with Freedom of Association. I choose to associate with people like me. Does that make me a racist? I guess it does. And that’s what I now come back with – freedom of association. I ask the person, ‘who do YOU associate with? Do you hang out with Browns, Yellows, or Blacks? No? Then YOU are a racist, too.’ The looks I get back are classic.

    As a high school teacher, I love all of my students, and want all of them to do well and succeed. But that doesn’t mean I have to like them. I will say that some of my favorites over the years have been Students of Color, but that’s at an INDIVIDUAL level. I’m not going to go over to their house and ‘chill with the homies’.

    Freedom of Association is a great comeback to those questions, in my opinion

  8. The inflammatory headline will almost every time contain words like “extreme(-right)”, placed there with the clear purpose to elicit a feel of disreputableness (at best) and fear.
    In politics, campaigns are won on fear. There they go with the “far-” “extreme” “-phobic” and “anti-“.

    Another good one by Wise: “Old white people have always been the bad guys… You’re a dying breed, on the endangered list. And you are not worth saving.”

    Anyway, it’s they, not “us” (I am a gamma, so I guess I am part of no team anyway), who are smarter. That’s why they have achieved immensely; or don’t you call the ability to make tweets like or Michael Moore’s without incurring any problem an immense achievement?

    We are under cultural dictatorship, no less.
    Even “kill all white men” won’t get you fired from your job, if you are a professor in the UK (it would be the same in the USA).

  9. @Lara

    Pathologizing dissent. That’s the grand invention of the Frankfurt School, they wrote one or two masterpieces on the subject… and since then they have only enhanced their skills.

  10. I think there’s a large federation of outliers who are somewhat left, somewhat liberal, somewhat progressive —— but in no way hateful toward whites. I’m among them, to some extent consigned to such a fate by genetics. But what it ultimately means that you are just more easily misunderstood and have a more complicated sense of allegiance and of personal politics writ large.

    And there the problems is because of coalition/plank/constituent element of political identity; i know many-upon-many people like me: part white NAMs who don’t have a hateful bone in their body toward whites, some even having white spouses, family members and personal friends. It’s just that the political alliances along party lines often make for most definitely uneasy and unlikely to outright-absurd bedfellows —– a problem that’s more extreme with left-vs-right western political coalitions.

    Lara has made similar points re. these sort-of absurd instances of political fellowship, in which white middle-class females who drift toward bourgeouis ‘progressivism,’ a la “Ellen” and “Oprah,” end up nonetheless lumped together with the Andrea Dworkins and the Catherine McKinnons and the other more fantastical leftist nutjobs.

  11. SoCal Mike: “Me, too, Lara. But not anymore. It has to do with Freedom of Association. I choose to associate with people like me. Does that make me a racist? I guess it does. And that’s what I now come back with – freedom of association. I ask the person, ‘who do YOU associate with? Do you hang out with Browns, Yellows, or Blacks? No? Then YOU are a racist, too.’ The looks I get back are classic.

    As a high school teacher, I love all of my students, and want all of them to do well and succeed. But that doesn’t mean I have to like them. I will say that some of my favorites over the years have been Students of Color, but that’s at an INDIVIDUAL level. I’m not going to go over to their house and ‘chill with the homies’.”

    I’m of a similar mind and in a similar vocational atmosphere and I was intrigued and comforted by your comment.

    In fact, I share your sentiment but go further in that, in fact: I DO like the mi of ”browns,’ ‘yellows’ and ‘blacks’ and ‘whites,’ and I too have favorites of all stripes —– but i then go further and have enjoyed personal friendships and home visits with all the color spectrum above.

    And you know what? That is a unremarkable fact; I personally consider it to be a logical outcome of my ho-hum formative experience of growing up in thriving middle-class biracial family. Had I not, it’s very likely i’d hold many of the same convictions I do, but i wouldn’t be that familiar and/or simply EXPERIENCED dealing with all those different races and peoples.

    Perhaps there is some ‘benefit’ to such a experience, but it’s homely and comically conceited to brandish it as such —– because it’s really just a biographical tangent to one’s accident of birth. Bottom line: for me to do what I do well in my work and SoCal Mike to re. his line of work, “all we really gots to do is stay black (or stay white) and die,” as the old black folk expression goes, (slightly amended for our purposes here, lol).

  12. Nikcrit, good reply. Let me be clear, the times I have gone to students homes, or to social events with students and families, I have always been treated well, fairly, and with respect. Most of that because of my position. Good people exist in all races, and everyone reading this knows the same thing.

    Growing up in SoCal has been the best thing for me in that regard. This area may be one of the most diverse areas in North America, perhaps the world. This has allowed me to make friends and colleagues from many different races and groups. Good people have been around my whole life.

    Go to Disneyland, or a Dodgers game, or the mall. See those people of color? They are hanging with their own. Why? That’s who they’re comfortable with. Me too.

    My faith has taught me to love all people. My observations have taught me that ultimately we want to be with our own.

  13. “[N]o matter how well-off you are… think about that man in upstate New York who gave up on looking for a job five years ago and whose daughter is a meth addict — and don’t be smug. He’s our brother …”

    Well said. Far too many fellow Whites have a selfish “I’m doing OK, so it’s easier for me to just ignore the slow motion destruction of Whites …”

  14. Ah, touching. Can I see your butterfly collection also, Mikey?

    SoCal went from a white man’s paradise to multikult hell in about 4.0 years. From Beach Boys to NWA.

    I’ve been there too. For a certain job, there was about 600 applicants. I was one of only 5 unmixed whites. Every other variety, from Black Mexicans to the almost-white spic to Asian-negroid was there. It was an abomination.

    The reason that families and students treat teachers well is that they are angling for that grade. It’s a very simple thing really – teacher likes you, you get a better grade. Doesn’t cost him anything to give it.

    Ah yes, so many good people….doing nothing while the white race is genocided by its enemies . It warms the heart. I cannot wait to get to heaven where there will be all my good Christian mino friends to spend an eternity with.

    It is the “good people” and the “moderates” who are most dangerous to the white race. They don’t have the balls to do what is necessary to protect us.

  15. One of the quirks of the educational system is that it gives immense power to determine the future of young people to individuals whose interests may or may not be aligned with the official social interest in education. What will get a teacher in more trouble, punishing a student for being too smart for the class, or punishing the star running back for showing up to class late and smelling of (officially) prohibited substances?

  16. “SoCal went from a white man’s paradise to multikult hell in about 4.0 years.”

    Yeah. You couldn’t pay me to live over there. That Oregon coast upfield is another story.

    “If that means doing away with the pretense of constitutional republic, then so be it.”

    Nova Europa; time to build on that emerging glimmer…

  17. Yes, once, whites from across the USA left their homes in search of a new life, sun, women, and lifting in Southern California. Even up to the early 1980s.

    Just as Murka WAS the white ethnostate, California was once the most perfect place a white man could live. How quickly it falls.

  18. In San Francisco, I definitely felt like a minority. It wasn’t bad, just different. I also saw very few black people.

  19. Let me be clear, the times I have gone to students homes, or to social events with students and families, I have always been treated well, fairly, and with respect. Most of that because of my position. Good people exist in all races, and everyone reading this knows the same thing.

    Yeah well la-de-da
    Black people will like you up until the moment you express any racial consciousness of your own. Blacks of course love white people, just the deracinated compliant type they can hit up for gibsmedats.

  20. — I used to get defensive when people called me a racist for supporting Trump. From now on, I am just going to shrug my shoulders and say, “I guess”. (Lara)

    One is more immune to SJW histrionics (and liberals’ milder form of same) by not playing their game. They turn on each other viciously if they don’t have a moderate person apologizing to them to attack. There was a hilarious storm on Twitter recently involving Will Wheaton, a c-list celebrity liberal gamma male who got swarmed by SJWs for disagreeing with a Muslim.

    — Pathologizing dissent. That’s the grand invention of the Frankfurt School (Your Favourite Gamma)

    Breivik addressed that in his pre-sentencing speech, listing examples of Norwegians who were locked in psychiatric institutions over their nationalistic views. That was also practiced in the USSR and satellite countries.

    — My faith has taught me to love all people. My observations have taught me that ultimately we want to be with our own. (SoCalMike)

    Good way of putting it. Christian brotherhood means accepting the variety of creation, each in its own place. That’s it. Accept it when it is where it should be. It takes humility to understand that it is not our job to cooperate with political actors who force aliens among us. Those aliens, by their very presence and by their demands to encroach on us and feed on our capital, are destroying our own context within which we strive to live right. They are making us rootless in turn as we lose our public space, we withdraw from life, we become hypocrites who profess liberal pieties while avoiding them, and we sentence our own posterity to misery. Mass migration and mixing is war.

    — I was one of only 5 unmixed whites. Every other variety, from Black Mexicans to the almost-white spic to Asian-negroid was there. (Ryu)

    That sounds like Hell. It’s one thing when you have a single “off” mixed individual in a solidly coherent nation. There is a ‘vive la différence’ kind of thing. But a Babel of rootless mixes begs for Biblical anger.

    — Nova Europa; time to build on that emerging glimmer… (Each Pond Gone)

    Southern California has its paradise-like qualities but for me there have to be winters. Pacific NW has something that pulls me in ways that mild climates like the Mediterranean and southern California don’t. They have paradise-like allure but they render a major part of our psyche useless and for me that’s an uncomfortable feeling. I always feel something ancient in me wake up when the birch trees are bare under the leaden sky, the last of of the birds migrate and snow begins to fall.

  21. Alot of that “hybrid vigor” talk is bunk and doesn’t work in the real world.

    You’d think there’d be tons of attractive half-white spics, around there, with all the mixing that occurs. Not so.

    Most spics in Cali look like fat Indian dwarfs. Holds true for both the men and the women. You just don’t see many Salma Hayeks or Antonio Banderases.

  22. Most spics in Cali look like fat Indian dwarfs. Holds true for both the men and the women. You just don’t see many Salma Hayeks or Antonio Banderases.

    Yep. The Mexicans with lots of European blood who look like Penelope Cruz or a Spanish soccer star are mostly in Mexico’s pretty sizable middle (or upper) class. And they don’t need to leave Mexico.

    The border jumpers that migrate tend to be short/squat/darker – an indication of their higher proportion of native/Indian blood. And Mexican immigrant women never dress body- or age-appropriately, there’s a whole genre of memes about “Mexican muffintops”:

  23. Hybrid vigor is a husbandry term for mixing breeds of livestock. Applied to people, you can imagine a race that’s tall and dumb and a race that’s short but smart. To achieve “vigor” you cross-breed them. Then you let the 1/4 of the offspring who inherited the best of both live and reproduce (and their tall/smart phenotype may well be offset by outbreeding depression problems in other areas). You cull all the others. If you don’t, the runts will overwhelm the “vigorous” with their numbers. Hybrid vigor also means “don’t marry your cousin” in order to breed out recessive genetic accidents.

  24. Southern California has its paradise-like qualities

    Yes, Southern California is an awesome place to live–despite what the California-hatin’ Alt-Right patriotard cucks like to think. A lot of these cucks, I suspect, are the sons of Whites who couldn’t make it in CA; or who tried to live here themselves and couldn’t make it. The anti-CA hatred is off the charts.

    Yes, once, whites from across the USA left their homes in search of a new life, sun, women, and lifting in Southern California. Even up to the early 1980s.

    Dude, hate to break it to you, but they’re still coming. Not just foreigners, but White transplants from other states, mostly East Coast, Midwest, and South. This has been a problem since at least the early-1970s. We still get a lot of people from OR and WA; I admit to feeling some prejudice against a lot of these people due to the trashy meth-head associations with PNW populations.

    I wonder to what extent liberal White transplants in CA played a part in throwing the state White vote to Hillary?

    And here we do have seasons; they’re just not as pronounced as in other regions. I grew up in Northern climes with deep forests and harsh winters. SoCal suits me just fine now. This area is largely Mediterranean (and desert) landscape, which is reminiscent of Spain, Italy, France, Greece, etc.

  25. I’d prefer the Southern California summer over our hot, humid summers. I’ll take our spring, winter and fall, though. Plus the Pacific Ocean is too cold for swimming in many parts of California. I love swimming in the ocean. Granted we only get a few months of warm ocean water.

  26. “Granted we only get a few months of warm ocean water.”

    What do Philadelphians consider ‘their beaches’? Those across the state of NJ on the shore? Or those down the Delaware river at the more gaping parts leading into the gulf? I don’t know; never been to philly beyond the airport.

  27. Most people go to the New Jersey beaches, but some people go to Delaware. The New Jersey beach towns are nice, but are not cheap. I rent for one week a year.

  28. Ryu: “You’d think there’d be tons of attractive half-white spics, around there, with all the mixing that occurs.”

    There are:

    Pssst, Cam, take note: I think they even included a few stills of Rex Chapman in there! lol..

    Ryu, tell me you’d refuse some of those women for their diluted Heinz 57 stock, no?

  29. OK. i don’t care either way—- but in my day-to-day, attractive mixed couples are NOT rare ‘outliers.’ In fact, I’d objectively say it’s much, much more rare to see half-white, half-squat-indian-like-Mexican halfbreeds; i see a lot of hot Latino women dating black men. Maybe that is just a high-norm in my social subset, which, i sometimes forget, is during my nine-to-five a lower-middle-class, upper-midwest, 85% NAM environment.

    Hey, speaking of Chapman: didn’t you once say he was a half-Asian? i tried to do a bit of googling to find out and came up stories detailing this….. what a shame, eh?

    http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/07/28/rex-chapman-kentucky-nba-painkillers-theft

  30. “Breivik addressed that in his pre-sentencing speech, listing examples of Norwegians who were locked in psychiatric institutions over their nationalistic views. “

    Y’know, bits like this make it dawn on me that when you (PA) and I go into our familiar tiff topics, usually some sorta ‘raycist’ gripe using contemporary times as our template for exemplification, i’m thinking you quite understandably are casually summoning stuff like the above quote and Glasnost-era changes and confrontations and more recently hyper-p.c. exemplars pertinent to you and yours; meanwhile, i’m summoning some of the more egregious events from Jim Crow and U.S.of A. days past, which are ‘more resolved’ moral imperatives and decrees in terms of racial issues, to some extent even agreed-upon by ‘both sides.’

    IN any case, that may be the source of some of the debate —– and of some of the redundancy, lol.

  31. I agree. New Jersey ocean water is barely warm enough for me. Our hot, humid summer is shorter than yours, though.

  32. I thought Trump was great at his press conference today. I loved how he handled the question about anti-Semitism.

  33. Trump is a gentile, who seems to like Jews on a personal level, but does not get pushed around by them. That is an impressive quality.

  34. PA, in saying that when we argue about, say, “leftist overreach,” your Eastern Bloc frame of reference probably contrasts in terms of context and extent with my classic American civil rights frame of reference.
    IOW: it was an olive branch—- so grab that mofo!! Lol

  35. Hey, speaking of Chapman: didn’t you once say he was a half-Asian? i tried to do a bit of googling to find out and came up stories detailing this….. what a shame, eh?

    Nah, Rex Walters. Face is same as mine but I’m even more Euro looking than him, he’s also 1/2 Okinawan, but I don’t have his height or basketball ability.

    Rex Chapman was a big NBA star but got in some serious legal trouble recently, he’s got the Dirk Nowitzki kind of “fever”.

  36. Lara, Trump interpreted that standard objective question about the number of recent acts of anti semitic incidents nationwide into a personal accusation of him being anti semitic. Yet another example of a narcissistic clod who can’t even process rote and standard press-politico Q-&-A. ……….Now, I’ll sit back and listen to his apologists do backward somersaults to negate evident truth, provided by last night’s ” press conference.”

    Note: that reporter from the Jewish weekly never accused Trump of being personally anti-malware semitic.

  37. Btw, it was MGE, not me, who grabbed that Pinot Frigid from the Napa Valley gas station.. Wonder if the station clerks double as sommeliers??

    Well, you do get upset when I post pics of nubile women lately. Were y’all headed to the techno club to kick it with your boy Toure? 🙂 🙂

  38. Those aliens, by their very presence and by their demands to encroach on us and feed on our capital, are destroying our own context within which we strive to live right. (PA)

    In 1903, the wright brothers became the first men to defy gravity and take to the skies. A mere 66 years later, we launched the aptly named rocket to the moon – the Apollo 11 – and Buzz Aldrin set foot on the moon. 40 years after that, we elected a black man to the presidency and we have been reduced to this:

    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/14/students-wear-pins-reminder-white-privilege/

  39. nikcrit,
    Trump did not like the nature of the question, so he reframed it. The reporter offered zero evidence of anti-Semitic attacks. I especially liked that Trump said Netanyahu said no way is he anti Semitic. There really is no way to argue with that.
    Trump has said he is a very humble person. I believe him.

  40. “I wonder to what extent liberal White transplants in CA played a part in throwing the state White vote to Hillary?”

    Nah. They really call the place a ‘straight flush’ in certain places down south. Big Sur-type locales are nice, but such secrets are long out of the bag. The movies both made and broke that landfill. It is easily the easiest place to get laid in America, but what’s that saying?

  41. — I found a masculine leftist. (Gustav Bjork)

    Physically, he’s solid. There is a type that is attracted to street violence as an end in itself and gravitate to Antifa because that’s where the action is. Maybe that describes him. He stops just short of saying that he’s a Communist and talks about his “White trash” background and his past as a neo-Nazi.

    180-degree converts always have to be kept at an arm’s length because they lack loyalty (a masculine quality).

  42. “Trump did not like the nature of the question, so he reframed it.”

    No, he didn’t re-frame it; he didn’t answer it —– or, you could say he gave an irrelevant answer, as the questioner never accused him personally of being anti-semitic. And Trump does that a lot: answers questions with a personal response that was never directed at him; it’s a habit that many narcissists possess.

    To me, it’s not debatable in that particular instance; the reporter was referring to a specific stat list and was going to follow up with a specific incident that was reported in Portland. I don’t necessarily think that Trump was being purposefully evasive in not answering; i just think his compulsive self-absorption quite naturally re-framed the reporter’s question in a way more agreeable to his nature; it’s probably very, very annoying for Trump to contemplate someone else’s plight or circumstance, good or bad, for more than a moment or two, thus his impatience with the reporter. Trump even chastised the reporter and gestured to silence him when the reporter tried to interject during Trump’s irrelevant response that he never accused Trump personally of being anti-semitic.

    But it was too no avail; Trump was already off and running.

  43. Southern California has its paradise-like qualities but for me there have to be winters. Pacific NW has something that pulls me in ways that mild climates like the Mediterranean and southern California don’t. They have paradise-like allure but they render a major part of our psyche useless and for me that’s an uncomfortable feeling. I always feel something ancient in me wake up when the birch trees are bare under the leaden sky, the last of of the birds migrate and snow begins to fall.

    Sublimely put, every word. “Something ancient”, indeed. I love November, but Halloween-time is one of my very favourite times of the year; I am convinced that there is something magical in the air at that time of year and our ancestors were correct in making it a holiday of importance.

    they render a major part of our psyche useless

    Yes, this. For this reason I have always considered it to horrifying to consider the idea of white people living in Florida.

    60 degrees is not warm.

    I have no idea what “60 degrees” is, but I grew up swimming in the ocean in *Canada* – no sympathy from me, I’m afraid!

  44. In any event, on a serious note, the best thing any of us can do right now is pray. It’s pretty clear there are massive goings-on behind the scenes right now. Pray for the CIA and FBI agents that are certainly facing the hardest conceivable tests of their consciences.

  45. A quality I’ve noticed in many liberals is that they are very sensitive to feelings that reinforce their beliefs. They are not very understanding of feelings that do not. I mentioned once that is can be lonely and alienating to be a conservative among liberals. These feelings were immediately dismissed, and I was basically told I was lying and playing the victim. Trust me, conservatives are perceived to be much tougher than liberals. We don’t get much sympathy.
    It’s hard to know how much of Trump’s narcissism is an act and how much is real. I don’t think I will ever really know since I don’t know him personally.

  46. @Lara

    ‘Trust me, conservatives are perceived to be much tougher than liberals. We don’t get much sympathy.
    It’s hard to know how much of Trump’s narcissism (…)’

    They are tougher, and some times much so, and need less sympathy. It can be framed in left-vs-right terms and make sense, but it’s also a trend-followers-vs-rebellious-types things.
    People who run against the cultural programming of their time are… of course, tougher. If you suffer from complexes of inferiority, you scan the environment, detect the majority’s opinion, and agree with it, automatically. These people will be found on the (far) left in our time.

    @SJ, Esquire

    It would help our side of the deep state/real government if more people had your awareness (if our side owned some mainstream media platform).
    The prevalent side pits people against the side that wants to govern for the people, it’s ugly.

  47. Last night go into some friendly banter/argumentation with my friend, a college professor. He’s someone that always leaned Democrat/liberal for many years, but was never that particularly overtly political until recently – now that the ease of the Facebook like and the retweet have made so many people experts in economics and foreign policy.

    So, he’s ranting on and on about “diversity” and how Trump should “help” the immigrants and “do what’s best for the world.”

    He shut up quick and got quite red in the face when I pulled up a list of the professors in his department and said, “well, since the planet is only 10% white European let’s go ahead and start picking which 90% will be those that need to resign and make way for “diversity” because it seems you’re hogging all of the academia jobs right now.”

  48. — He shut up quick and got quite red in the face

    I was talking with an alt-Right friend last night and were comparing notes about how liberals react when they lose an argument. We were agreeing that there is no possibility of any kind of Socratic “let’s look for truth together thru questions” dialogue, or of a liberal conceding a dialectical argument the way he’d concede a check-mate in chess.

    In our expetience, they go silent, angry, or flippant when cornered.

  49. “It’s hard to know how much of Trump’s narcissism is an act and how much is real. I don’t think I will ever really know since I don’t know him personally.”

    I’d agree that it would be impossible “how much (of it) is real” absent knowing him personally.

    But that is ultimately irrelevant to me in practical terms; while I AM the type to be personally curious about what he’s like in person, my more immediate concern is having to suffer the political (mass) consequences of his supremely narcissistic governance.

    Again, I’m mindful of my biases whenever celebrity is in play as a factor. But this is a fairly unprecedented circumstance in American history, so I tend to say “all bets are off.”

  50. But that is ultimately irrelevant to me in practical terms; while I AM the type to be personally curious about what he’s like in person, my more immediate concern is having to suffer the political (mass) consequences of his supremely narcissistic governance.

    This is where we don’t understand you. You’ve said you’re ok with Trump’s immigration policy and don’t seem to be worried about his America-first economic protectionism on trade and manufacturing.

    These are really the only two areas where the President has great, unilateral power. Even starting wars requires the approval of congress, for funding reasons. He’s president, not dictator. I’m trying to figure out what exactly you think he’s going to do.

    Most of the hysteria over Trump is pure screechery, So what if he fights with the NYT endlessly and alleges that they treat him poorly, it’s just noise. It’s probably a good thing for the press to see a little conflict as they were in danger of merging with the Democratic Party as their propaganda wing.

    Now people are screeching about him repealing Obama’s recent regulation restricting coal mining, but that didn’t even go into full effect until December of 2016.

  51. “It’s hard to know how much of Trump’s narcissism is an act and how much is real. I don’t think I will ever really know since I don’t know him personally.”

    In regards to his self-admiration and monstrously huge ego, it’s safe to say that Trump is actually, truly our first black president. LOL

  52. “I’m trying to figure out what exactly you think he’s going to do.”

    I don’t know myself; it’s just that my experience makes me be very skeptical and feel a sense of bad omen when someone is a vainglorious fool in what he prioritizes and how he comports himself. I thikn he’s already had some close calls in terms of that unholy collide and i don’t think he even senses as much due to that same sited lack of awarness beyond anything that isn’t about me, me, me.

    I just tell myself things would be worse if HRC was in there, drumming up new levels of resentment and taking care of 30-plus years of democratic politico-status quo.

    Trump is sorta liberating in a way in the sense that he’s got no regard for said status quo—– there’s a sense of chaos and anarchy that hasn’t been present in big-party national politics sense, I guess, JFK’s assassination and all the cabalistic mayhem those few weeks. I actually appreciate that about Trump; the rare but this time genuine sense of ‘something new.’

    But then I think he squanders opps and has a debilitated sense of priority that can be unhinged all the way by his fukin’ ego….. I know some of you here feel and sense what I do, especially MGE in his increasingly rarer sober and contemplative moments. You guys are more committed in a rote, ‘team-blue-vs-team-red-vs-Team Savior mode; but you all know I’m not saying something that’s all that outrageous.

  53. You face far greater dangers in everyday life than you do from anything Trump is going to do. Liberals don’t seem to realize how silly their hysteria over Trump sounds to ordinary people.

  54. In fairness, some liberals can laugh at themselves. Seth Meyers said that on election night he put his son to bed saying, “Tomorrow we’ll probably have our first girl president”. He then went out with his wife. He returned home much later, hysterical, shaking his son’s crib and screaming, “We have to get out of here!”.

  55. Trump is not a narcissist. It’s just that in this gay, feminine age people are baffled by male confidence so they scorn it as “narcissism,” which also gets them big word points.

    Obama was a true narcissistic. Effete, petty, vindictive and feminine in manner. That’s what a narcissist looks like.

  56. Whether or not Trump is a narcissist depends on whether or not narcissism is considered as inherently a pathology.

    Narcissism is not a difficult concept, and it is a useful one. But it has been associated with social problems sprung and wrapped up around into confused and driftless 20th century lives. Its meaning in that sense and usage is to describe the pathology of sick people and their social problems and their difficulties in forming meaningful relations with others.

    Is anyone maintaining that Trump has difficulty in his personal relations? Is anyone arguing that those close to him do not consider themselves valued and loved and appreciated? Because that sort of ungenerous and un-giving personality is what “narcissism,” in its mid-20th century, pathological meaning, is used to describe and indicate: someone full of himself to the point that he cannot relate to others and have meaningful relations with them.

    The opposite is the case with the God Emperor.

    Anyone who is arguing that Trump’s family and friends don’t value their personal relationships with him, is blinded in their perceptions by their ideology.

    As a description, narcissism has a pathological sense, and that is the sense in which it was popularized in the 20th century. And so the usage of it to describe Trump is the standard leftist tactic of smearing their enemies with the clumsy broad brush of psychobabble pathology.

    It is a tired tactic.

  57. — It appears the Democrats are choosing between a black Muslim and a Hispanic bureaucrat to lead their futile midterm charge against the God-Emperor

    It looks like the Democrats have found a bland, compromise candidate in Perez. Non-white but also non-threatening, and has the “Pokemon points” of being a “hispanic”.

  58. Obama was a true narcissistic. Effete, petty, vindictive and feminine in manner. That’s what a narcissist looks like.

    He may have actually been “nurtured” into becoming a narcissist, though. Getting a book deal right after leaving law school didn’t help, nor did winning a Nobel Prize during his 1st year in office. He truly was the Manchurian candidate.

    Once it was announced that the Obamas would be remaining in Washington DC after the changeover I expected Obama to be speaking up (interfering) a lot more. It’s quite abnormal for a President to remain in Washington DC right after leaving office.

    There’s still the possibility that he will start flapping his lips, we will see. The press would be all too happy to accommodate him and fan the flames of unrest.

  59. Trump seems to have no problem being friends with other men, including many very successful ones. If he was really an ungenerous person I doubt these people would give him the time of day.

  60. peterike: “Trump is not a narcissist. It’s just that in this gay, feminine age people are baffled by male confidence so they scorn it as “narcissism,” which also gets them big word points.”

    By my lights, what peterike describes above is a certain manner of arrogance, affectation and sanctimony, qualities that often can and do easily intertwine with narcissism as I define it.

    In that sense or mode of the word, Trump is its template.In my case as a constiituernt, this is less painful because his profound and pure narcissism presides over key planks that i want him to accomplish; my angst re. his narcissism is the fear that it will obscure his publicly stated agenda key, which were to restore balance to trade, improve working-class and middle-class family quality of life and tighten the borders and limit all immigration, issues I fear his narcissism occasionally relegates to marginal importance; yes he’s very, very capable of being that indifferent to the causes and positions that led to most of his votes.

    The kind of narcissism that Trump embodies exists almost solely within the realm of celebrity; it can and does include certain politicians who’ve been nothing but politicians their entire life—– but it manifests at a purer and more lethal form for those who are celebrities in the traditional postmodern-American way: film stars, pop stars, television personalities, etc.

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    @Each Pound Gone:

    This link addresses a question we sort of developed from peripheral discussion and debate; sorta interesting IMO; check it out:

  61. “As a description, narcissism has a pathological sense, and that is the sense in which it was popularized in the 20th century. And so the usage of it to describe Trump is the standard leftist tactic of smearing their enemies with the clumsy broad brush of psychobabble pathology.

    It is a tired tactic.”

    with all due respect, that is a very tired mode of critique: btw and fyi, you’re not even describing ‘narcissism’ in its most-frequent-and-most-levied form; rather, your describing a form of politicized SANCTIMONY….

    Furthermore, I anticipated such a response, so I noted that such “narcissism” can and often does go hand-in-hand with key planks and positions that the narcissistic pol stands for, so you don’t even have to bother writing out some misguided ‘critique’ claiming the ‘narcissism card’ is a faulty form of discrediting, etc., ad infinitum.

    No one is discrediting his political objectives here; however, it is suggested that his narcissism may hinder his obtaining those objectives.

    political morality 101: it’s ok for your heroes to have flaws of procedure.

  62. “It’s quite abnormal for a President to remain in Washington DC right after leaving office.”

    My very modest ‘alumni grapevine,’ has it that they’ll be residing in a house in Kenwood within a year or two; looks like Hyde park will soon be back in his life….. I think he’s getting a converted UC building that will become his library, too.

  63. that is a very tired mode of critique: btw and fyi, you’re not even describing ‘narcissism’ in its most-frequent-and-most-levied form; rather, your describing a form of politicized SANCTIMONY….

    This is entirely argument by assertion, and it is weak and poorly done. In fact I cannot follow what you intend to convey, though i will try …

    Any “politicized sanctimony” on the table, would be the claim that Trump is a narcissist.

    It is a neat phrase: politicized sanctimony, but you get no points for it because it doesn’t make any case.

    By all means, elaborate on how “politicized sanctimony” is not in calling Trump a narcissist, but rahter, dissecting that description.

    No one is discrediting his political objectives here; however, it is suggested that his narcissism may hinder his obtaining those objectives.

    Then we are in agreement on some of those things.

    But that doesn’t change how characterizations of Trump as “narcissistic” are sloppy psychobabble that are exactly in the vein that I described: the old tired tactic of calling your opponent crazy.

    From your comments on the subject, it seems that you have a more allowing view of what constitutes narcissism; that is all well and good, but the description as it is constantly used in the press, is not so expansive, and WITHOUT DOUBT it is a weighted term exactly as I described and which you have done NOTHING to refute.

    Your rebuke is a zero out of four stars.

  64. Furthermore, I anticipated such a response, so I noted that such “narcissism” can and often does go hand-in-hand with key planks and positions that the narcissistic pol stands for, so you don’t even have to bother writing out some misguided ‘critique’ claiming the ‘narcissism card’ is a faulty form of discrediting, etc., ad infinitum.

    There is no reason that you get the last word as to what means narcissism.

    You claim to be using it in your very own special way and that is really neat that you have a special understanding of the term.

    But my fellow English speaker — the proper meaning of the term, as it has been used for the last century or so and up to this day in the press, is of a dysfunctional and delusional pathology.

    So your protestations that it is not meant BY YOU in that sense are IRRELEVANT.

  65. elk, if i were calling trump a narcissist solely for political gamesmanship, then i’d be hoping for the demise of his primary political agenda. but i’m not; I’m hoping his planks get nailed down.
    thus, i’m not a ‘political enemy,’ so no-go re.some “clumsy broad brush of psychobabble pathology” to discredit him.

    “Then we are in agreement on some of those things. “

    Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!

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    elk, when or if you get the chance, take a look and tell us what you make of that Orwell -vs- Huxley link, if you will.

  66. “There is no reason that you get the last word as to what means narcissism.”

    Agreed. Well, IDk then. I’m strongly inclined to say that you don’t understand, but that will just create one more problem; i’m speaking of something that manifests quite often in the world of celebrity; it is a very tangible, diagnosable, attributive and observationally witness-able phenomemon…..

    If you will, go back to that press conference the other day of Trump’s, specifcally, the segment where he ignores that yarmulke-wearing reporter’s question about A) a numbered list of recent alleged ‘anti-semitic’ threats or attacks; and B) a specific incident in Portland that was among that list of attacks, which i believe came to 125 incidents or so…… Now, I AM NOT criticizing the fact that Trump ignored the specific question (my point here isn’t one of sanctimony) but rather how Trump TRANSFIGURED the exchange to the point of ignoring a simple and specific query and into a soapbox for him to explain to the press how UN anti-Semitic he is; those incidents are evidence of a true psychosis in which he literally cannot see how he evaded or misinterpreted the actual question. Actually, I would say ‘misheard the question,’ because the narcissism provides a fleeting moment of psychotic grip in which he TRULY AND SINCERELY thought he was answering the questioner’s literal query..

    In my experience, such total and child-like self-absorption outside of childhood exists only in the realm of postmodern-celebrated personality and culture; I’ve seen it in the form of a vocational norm, its predictivity, its ability to get people fired in fact.

    Dude is a monster; what I’m talking about is a quality that is 100-percent insubordinate to political conviction, personal moral, family loyalties, etc.

    All that shite takes a backseat to the illumination of me, me, me… Actually, stuff i said about Trump here two weeks ago, came eerily back to life in a column by nytimes columnist Frank Bruni..

    And what I said here and in earlier bits on the subject withstands any remarks you, elk, may make about how charges of narcissism may or may not often be levied for pure political posturing, or how peterike or Camlost may claim Obama or some other political enemy of theirs can be rhetorically conceited or self-serving (probably true, but Obama is nowhere near as psychotically narcissistic as Donald Trump; lol), or any other disingenuous critique one may come up with here in the service of standing up and proud for Team-lord-n-savior.

  67. “There is no reason that you get the last word as to what means narcissism.”

    I didn’t nor don’t claim the ‘last word’ on the term; I did qualify it though, pointing out the specific sense of it I mean in this instance—– the particularly delusive form that often accompanies celebrity. I think that’s a fairly documented form of narcissism —- the kind that perforates celebrity. And I don’t think noting as much can be fairly interpreted as ‘re-defining narcissism’ or having ‘it’s last word’ on its definition,

    Besides, he brandishes other forms of that catchall 20th-century term as well; let’s just wait and see how things play out. I gotta feeling it’s going to be an interesting year.

  68. @Camlost,

    Cam, I’m sure you’re aware of the fact that the NBA all-star game, is battling it out with the NFL for ‘most worthless pro-sport all-star exhibition,” via non-competitive players, and defense being largely non-existent.

    But did the NBA create a new low-threshold tonight when my town’s Antentenkounempo put on a damn-near solo-court slam-dunk exhibition during the game, in which at one point Steph Curry actually lied down on the court and became a circus-freak-shop prop by allowing Giannis to jump over him before throwing down a 360-degree two-handed slammajamma?

    I tink its time to junk ‘all-star’ games; maybe just keep baseball’s?

  69. I tink its time to junk ‘all-star’ games; maybe just keep baseball’s?

    Nah.

    NBA ratings are waaaaaay up, largely based on revenue from China/Europe and also bolstered by the fact that basketball highlights conform well to the 24×7 Internet-driven news cycle.

    The NBA has been making rules changes since 2005 that speed up the game, reducing the amount of holding/bumping/hacking and hand checking allowed. This is driving scores up, and viewers are tuning in more and more.

    Having been an OK basketball player once myself it’s always fun to go play with people you know and show off and not play much defense. (it also prevents injuries for those actually in the playoff hunt) We used to rent out a gym and lower the rims to 9-6″ to enable having that sort of dunkfest, though.

    If you want a good laugh check the story on where Giannis got mad at Bucks coach Jason Kidd for benching him once, then had to google Kidd’s basketball history to see “was my know-it-all coach even a decent basketball player himself”.

  70. I tink its time to junk ‘all-star’ games; maybe just keep baseball’s?

    It’s probably time to junk the NFL’s Pro Bowl, though.

  71. “probably time to junk the NFL’s Pro Bowl, though.”

    yeah, i was going to quickly make the case for that very idea in my last comment.

    It’s a pretty simple yet strong argument: NFL has the highest and most severe rate of injuries, so any peripheral contest is riskier.

    For that and other reasons, no one sincerely tries that hard, especially on defense.

    And the fact that the game occurs in between the NFC championships and the Superbowl ensures that a good number of voted-in ‘all-stars’ won’t show, given that players in the championship games and, especially, those slated to play in the superbowl, are likely to be all stars at a higher rate won’t play in the game.

    So you get a watered-down array of vote-getters going through the semi-motions; someone once joked that ALL-PRO game players could come out for the seond half wearing shorts and no pads.

    This is the worst time of the year sports-wise; no football, no elevant nba hoops, not quite March madness, and no pressing baseball hype.

    Those facts, along with murky weather this time of year for us up here in elklandia and I’d be willing to wager that this is the time of year htat sees the most alcoholism, drug abuse and, sadly, overdoses, with the lack of pro sports fever a big factor in that grim stat.

  72. nikcrit,
    Your criticism may or may not have some valid points. I have to pay more attention to Trump. However, you are obviously very predisposed to not liking Trump, therefore I can only value your opinion so much.
    I would feel the same way about PA’s opinions about Obama or Bill Clinton. He is never going to like them.

  73. In my experience, such total and child-like self-absorption outside of childhood exists only in the realm of postmodern-celebrated personality and culture; I’ve seen it in the form of a vocational norm, its predictivity, its ability to get people fired in fact.

    Your interpretations on that style of “narcissism” are based in the reality of celebrity culture, and I am inclined to agree with the notion that Trump may fall into that mode quite often enough.

    But just to repeat my point, is whether or not narcissism is specifically considered a pathology, or more colloquially, a flaw of character — and in then it becomes a judgment call or a personal reaction, and simply whether or not someone likes him.

  74. It would seem that All Star games are not as popular as they once were.

    And that suggests that another form for the exhibition of the talent from those leagues might be called for.

    A sort of traveling off season tour.

    There is DEFINITELY a market for alternate sports circuits, with different sports and lower levels and with different sized balls (and lower hoops).

    To some extent those might already exist, but i guess my point is that the professional leagues have somehow eclipsed the entire show.

  75. I took a break from politics, more or less completely, for a week or ten days, and upon return it is all exactly the same.

    There was no reconciliation between the two Factions of America.

    They still hate us.

    For instance the to-do over Trump’s Central Park skating rink and the posh Dalton School students whose parents are petty posing bitch women and their loser (but somehow rich) husbands who won’t let their kids go skating there.

    And the New York Times token Ginger Jew Kristof calling for Trump to be assassinated. Please Secret Service, knock on his door, you have cause to do so. The intent of his headline “How can we get rid of Trump” is plausibly deniably but its meaning is clear.

    Our differences are irreconcilable. They won’t give an inch. Those people have to be stripped of their status.

  76. “There is DEFINITELY a market for alternate sports circuits, with different sports and lower levels and with different sized balls (and lower hoops).”

    I agree and often come up with the same conclusion; being around a lot of teens of a different socio-economic caste and proclivities, I’m intrigued by some of the stuff they’re are heavily into and identify with; they know the names and personality cult trivia of these UFC and other fighting champs the way I did about ‘Bird-vs-Magic’ in my formative-fan years; they’re also into solo sports, like skateboarding and shite that i think is very ripe for fan exploitation; i.e., this guy Tony Nash or whatever, the 21st-century skateboard whiz?

    I wonder what the real potential and development of this proposed three-on-three league; I got see my foolish ass wasting a few hours watching some matchup of over-the-hill talent that i nonetheless was once enamored by: Bird-Parish-McHale-vs-Wilks-Magic-Cooper anyone? lol…

  77. Trump just can’t lose with the media. Can they not see that they’re just playing into his hands by hanging on his every word?

    Regarding this Sweden thing:

  78. Trump must have some good WNs up there advising him.

    Only racists today know about what the Muzz are doing in Sweden. The only way to truly save himself from the media is to name the jew, who had the mainstream media locked down tight.
    Can’t get any worse, because he is already Hitler.

  79. Only racists today know about what the Muzz are doing in Sweden.

    Exactly. But for the media to keep mentioning Trump’s alleged “lie” about something happening in Sweden is hilarious because it’s just spreading the word about what’s going on elsewhere with rampant Middle Eastern immigration and also because Trump didn’t actually make any specific claim about Sweden.

    It’s the gift that keeps on giving.

  80. Trump quickly clarified what he meant, so that part of it is a non story. Sweden is a boring country. I’m wondering if Swedes are enjoying all the excitement these immigrants create.

  81. Cam,
    Here’s a mainstream think-tank prog who wants the democratic party to follow the same path and leadership symbolism that you do, but for different reasons.

    He thinks it’s a winning philosophy and direction, while yours is steeped in schadenfreunde

    In any case, the piece is interesting and quickly digestible:

  82. — I took a break from politics, more or less completely, for a week or ten days (Elk)

    That’s difficult to do now. Politics can’t even be avoided off-line. Everyone either talks about it or studiously avoids the subject.

    — I’m wondering if Swedes are enjoying all the excitement these immigrants create. (Lara)

    I’ve never been to Sweden. Curious what its like there on the ground. Or at a college dorm.

  83. “Focus on progressive Obama coalition defectors, not on conservative white working-class voters.” (NYbT)

    I’m with Camlost — the further Left things go, the more Whites will gravitate Right (or for the time being some will play the “beautiful loser” with quixotic non-starters like Bernie Sanders). The Left banks on on thing: continuing demographic trends. The math espoused in that article assumed — similar to Tim Wise in the original post — that all they need is patience in order to drown us electorally. And what then, from their vantage point? That’s the ultimate bleakness of anti-Whites’ predestination: no more nice things to leach off, no more nice white people, and certainly no more anti-White unity, as the rainbow coalition turns on itself, spiraling into their baseline decimation and squalor.

    That’s a game of genocide they’re playing because we cannot survive as a minority under any circumstances. Even if we rule all darks like some colonial lords, things will break down by the second or third generation, with race-mixing (led by lower-SMV White men rather than by our women) as well as political opportunism — putting us right back to where we started. We have to have homogeneous White countries to survive.

  84. A black writer at the NYT? wow, really? lol

    But Democrats must make tough, data-driven decisions about how to prioritize their work.

    Ahnhhh, ok. So Hillary needed advice from even more ironic flannel shirt wearing, starbucks-swilling big data interns down at Democratic HQ in Brooklyn,

    If Democrats had stemmed the defections of white voters to the Libertarian or Green Parties, they would have won Michigan and Wisconsin, and had they also inspired African-Americans in Pennsylvania, Mrs. Clinton would be president.

    In other words, the Democrats should keep trying to be “everything to everyone” on the left and hope that Obama’s coalition can stay together under someone who lacks his charisma and also doesn’t get the benefit of the “historic”/white guilt vote. And he’s completely clueless as to why some of those whites (including lots of white male “Berniebros”) left the Democratic party for the libertarians/Green party – because they were put off by the Democrats’ focus on race/identity and grievance politics.

    And the 8,000 pound pink elephant in the room that he’s ignoring is exactly who the Democrats will be running nationally. Boring ass* Elizabeth Warren ain’t gonna be the one to get the black turnout back to prior levels. Corey Booker is simply black.

  85. “We have to have homogeneous White countries to survive.”

    yes, it’s important for overall world development for a healthy, thriving homeostatic Europe.

    “And the 8,000 pound pink elephant in the room that he’s ignoring is exactly who the Democrats will be running nationally.”

    Yeah, I agree; to me, the interesting trend would go like this: The’ proggier’ Dems would pick up the paleocon tendency for populist economic policies while BOTH parties push for a period of NO immigration —- by my lights, that’s the only way to keep the raycist debate and divide at bay in terms of immigration policy; I’ve also been reading more and more economics tracts that claim America could be an economic Eden on earth if it could magically re-shape its 1975 demographics and reduce its OVERALL population by 50 million. Point being, regarding that fantasy, is that there’s a good, folk-binding and bipartisan argument for NO immigration; as is, even if Trump’s paleocons make perfect argument for its border policies and repatriation of illelgals, all faction of Dems are going to just play the raycism politics in all its ways; and while GOPs may win in majority-elective political dog fights, each ‘side’ will for many more years be able to gridlock ANY potentially effective policies from EVER being installed.

    Trump and his form of current GOPs are learning that right now.

    No, I see Bannon’s cultural and political Amalgamation slowly taking shape; it could be bloody, as you and yours would prefer; but it could also be a surprise, bearing a newborn beast you and yours have yet to imagine.

  86. “We have to have homogeneous White countries to survive.”

    Given current political times, that almost sounds utopian-istic, even if you make the logical argument that developments of the last year make that more and more politically possible, etc.

    But: Given our contemporary political here-and-now, what more easier and practical way to get white countries than my proposal for western countries to push for NO more immigration, period, rather than for ethnically limited immigration?

    Isn’t it obivous that the former would lack all the usual political complications and dissents of the latter?

  87. Of course the push should be for NO more immigration. But a political momentum has to be built to then reverse the past x-decades of immigration, It has been done before, and it is not that difficult once the will is there. It’s like kicking party crashers out of your house.

  88. It will be interesting to see who the Dem try and come up with to lead their Coalition.

    Keith ‘not a real black man’ Ellison? Hillary poop suit Clinton? Elizabeth white face Warren?

    They are all lackluster wan weak ugly and old. Or some combination thereof.

    They like to think that some virile Hispanic or upper caste Indian will give them the juice that they need — but the thing with those guys, is they lack the understanding of core Americans enough to even pretend to the extent that is necessary.

  89. President Camacho is their best choice. (I won’t post the youtube, but his State of the Union is classic. That movie sucks as a movie, but as a metaphor or whatever, it has some great scenes.)

    They need a black American who has the juice and showmanship.

    But does such a one exist, and as an effective pol?

    Can there be a black American who can dance and sing with authenticity, and at the same time be sensitive to the fags yellows and lesbian cows?

    It is an impossible predicament that they have, and the jokes make fun of it, but the fact is that the Left is the party for people who want to be parasites, and so how can they find someone who doesn’t look like that?

  90. This is a big country and it’s hard to believe the DEMs don’t have a charismatic young upstart waiting in the wings. But the quest for “young and charismatic,” while it struck gold with JFK and young Bill Clinton, now leads to over-estimating the political appeal of those vaguely homoerotic pretty-boys in the mold of Gavin Newsom or that prancing horror Trudeau up in Canada. The GOPe banked on Marco Rubio.

    Young is nice but neither Trump nor Sanders had that going for them. The electorate on both sides may have moved beyond accepting an empty suit backed by the establishment’s full commitment. Plus, Camlost’s point that the Democratic party is driving out White talent. That doesn’t preclude someone from taking reins of the party and recalibrating on that count, but one would have to see that to believe it.

  91. “Corey Booker is simply black.”

    I think it was SOBL and 28sherman who said that Booker’s biggest liability as a future black politico is that he’s a thinly veiled closet case.

  92. PA, I apologize for posting so many nytimes links. But like you said, these are exceptonal times; and there are many worthy topical political discussions these days and nytimes, whether in culprit or provocateur mode, often drive the discussion or drive it’s finally emerging counter-discussion via their particular techno modes and forums.

    Anyhow, this is a major development IMO; this is something to handled with care:

    Way over the line IMO

  93. I think it was SOBL and 28sherman who said that Booker’s biggest liability as a future black politico is that he’s a thinly veiled closet case.

    Maybe. Or he likes white women and knows (like Obama) that’s a deal breaker for high office.

    And there’s never been a Batchelor President except for one who got married in the White House early in his tenure, I think.

  94. “Liberty must be allowed to work out its natural results; and these will, ere long, astonish the world.” -J. Buchanan

  95. A deconstruct of the Peele movie, beyond the mere surface review by those fuddy-duddy critics. The story cites other classic horror films that were driven by issues or thematics racial in nature; they ALWAYS cite “Night of the Living Dead” but overlook the one that was even more obvious as well as deeply woven within issues of race: “Creature from the Black Lagoon!”

    There’s your American boogie-woogie subterreanean fantasy!

  96. A deconstruct of the Peele movie,

    Take a close look at the trailers they are showing for the Peele movie on TV this week, they dial back on the “get blacky” aspect. I suspect that’s due to results of the election. I’d also guess the movie’s final form is different than what it would’ve been had Hillary won.

  97. Camlost: “Maybe. Or he (Booker) likes white women and knows (like Obama) that’s a deal breaker for high office.”

    I think that was true as recently as Obama’s initial POTUS campaign. But I’m not sure if that would still hold today; i could see a president in a mixed marriage being elected.

    Rising black Trump-loyalist Sheriff Clarke in my fine state is married to a prole-ish white women and he’s on a tear! Lol!!

    https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/2016/07/18/black-vs-black-watch-sheriff-david-clarke-call-cnn-stooge-don-lemon-over-blm/

  98. It’s great to see all of the Neocons jumping off the train and leaving the GOP. I see Krauthammer is still on FOX, though.

  99. The saboteur365 link is a good watch. Sheriff David Clarke and CNN anchor Don Lemon are a study in contrast.

    Clarke has to be half white, at least approximately. And Lemon is an idiot.

    Lemon was in a link I posted in another thread that featured Breitbart editor Joel Pollack, that was about Trump’s association with the Hard Right, and in that clip too Lemon comes off as seriously not up to the job.

    In that clip he was reading over the notorious Breitbart article about the AR which featured the word, shibboleth, and he couldn’t read it. Couldn’t even pronounce it.

    Shibboleth is a good word, i would put it at a seven on the ten-point scale. But for a major news man whose job it is, not to know it, and then further, not to be able to ad lib around not knowing it?

    It is an embarrassment to the Leftist Establishment, and to black Americans, that they don’t come up with someone who can read at a college level.

    To consider it from a less partisan perspective though, it is a sign of the times, about how dumbed down everything is.

  100. Hey, compared to his Marxist and libertine parents, the current Trudeau in power is a relative paleocon…

    Wow that is a crazy link. Looking at those pictures of Nancypants Trudeau alongside Castro Bon Vivant, it is likely that Trudeau is his son.

    If there is a timeline that allows for it (which apparently there is).

    How else can such a resemblance be explained?

    However, and that aside. Justin Trudeau is unacceptable as a head of state, for a major country no less. (What rank does Canada have among world powers?)

    His famous “to die for” quote is: If you kill your enemies, they win.

    Which line has been bouncing around my head this last week (off of politics) …

    It is profound, if it is spoken by a Chinese general at the end of his life with 10,000 victories under his belt. And even then i think people will figure that the guy must have been hit in the head too many times.

    But the line and the mentality behind is very emblematic of easy posturing and liberal morality that doesn’t cut it.

    Someone could use it as the basis of a treatise on our whole fucking problem. We don’t want to fight because it hurts other people?

    You can’t even say anything about it, which is why it’s a meme.

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