The Gambit Of Welcoming European Refugees

Prime Minister Viktor Orbán said that Hungary will welcome European refugees:

Of course, we shall let in true refugees: Germans, Dutch, French and Italians, terrified politicians and journalists who here in Hungary want to find the Europe they have lost in their homelands.

That comment was an aside in a speech he delivered yesterday, in which he defined the five major threats his country must defend itself against in 2017. Orbán’s statement is a brilliant gambit. Here is why: Eastern European countries are being attacked by the EU as undemocratic. What they are really attacked for is being anti-globalist. As the chairman of Poland’s governing party noted in 2015:

To say that democracy in Poland is in peril is ridiculous, to put it mildly. If anyone in Europe should be concerned for their freedom, it is the citizens in the West. If there is any place where political correctness and criminal law prohibit speech, it is not in Poland.

In that context, Orbán reframes the accusations by shining the light on the tyranny of multiculturalism. Images of Western European families or prominent public figures finding asylum in Hungary, and many more seeking to follow them, would be powerful symbolism and another repudiation of the EU project. It would do for nationalism what Soviet defectors did for America’s vaunted freedom during the Cold War. His statement is also a gesture of solidarity with Western European dissidents.

But it is also a gambit because mass movements of people are at the heart of our crisis. Hungary is a small country, about the size of Maine. History teaches its lessons about the tendency of refugees, even when in modest numbers, of taking over their host country. Example: Yanks have made North Carolina a swing state. Aesop had a fable about a bitch and her whelps: one dog gives another shelter in her kennel, only to be driven out by the guest’s pups when they grew up.

Western Europeans who’d move east would be more likely to be Protestant, of completely different customs and temperaments than their hosts, instinctively liberal, more disposed toward political activism, as well as in possession of connections and resources that would help them turn Hungarians into a townie underclass in their own country.

I made an argument that Eastern Europe cannot accommodate a mass influx of Westerners here.

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The article I linked at the top of the post is worth reading. Just one excerpt:

According to Mr. Orbán, it will also be necessary to take up arms against increasingly strong activists from international organisations, and against covert foreign attempts to exert influence. This is the work of paid activists from international organisations and their offices in Hungary: “Here there are large predators swimming in the water, and this is the transnational empire of George Soros”. Despite the will of the people declared last autumn in Hungary’s quota referendum, the international financier’s organisations “are working to bring hundreds of thousands of migrants into Europe”, he said.

There is a lot more. When this is all over, Viktor Orbán will be recognized as the savior of Europe.

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86 thoughts on “The Gambit Of Welcoming European Refugees

  1. I am pretty sure that other leaders throughout Europe have privately asked Orban to stay consistent and vocal, he has obliged them… because he cares.

    But it won’t be long until matters come to a head in Europe with the attacks happening at such a fast rate. France has got to tire of being at a “state of emergency” sooner or later. This is coming up on two years since the theater attacks.

    And the financial cost of all of the extra policing has got to be an issue somewhere, although that’s not a type of article you can expect to see in any mainline news publications in Europe.

  2. Good point about the negatives of Eastern emigration. It’s almost quaint to remember that White nations once had strong individual identities. Yet another illustration of how far we’ve gone down this multicult rabbit hole already. Getting upset about an English girl (such that they still exist) dating a German is laughable now.

    I oppose emigration on principle because it’s shrinking from a fight – but I applaud Orban. And I’m a little intrigued by the idea myself.

  3. — This will end in such extreme violence that it won’t be Orban who people will venerate as their savior. Try Breivik. (Nxx14)

    It takes both: statesmen and Sturmsoldaten. I hope to see the statues of both all over Europe one day. Orban accomplished very important things. One, he shut the Hungarian border, which halted the main migrant route to Germany and beyond. Two, he was the first head of state to effectively stand up to the EU on population replacement. That kicked off a virtuous cycle of other countries refusing to take in the refugees.

    — I am pretty sure that other leaders throughout Europe have privately asked Orban to stay consistent and vocal, he has obliged them… because he cares (Camlost)

    I don’t follow… what do you mean?

    — France has got to tire of being at a “state of emergency” sooner or later. (Camlost)

    I’m curious what it’s like on the ground there. Are most people directly unaffected, so complacency and virtue/status-signalling reigns?

    — It’s almost quaint to remember that White nations once had strong individual identities. (cavoritegroup)

    They still do. I was briefly in Norway last summer and something occurred to me. If I were talking with a Norwegian, it’d just be two guys having a conversation. But if it were me and five Norwegians, I’d feel very out of place. Same thing from his perspective if it were him and five of my countrymen.

    — Also, the is at least the 2nd time that Orban has mentioned Soros by name in a major speech (Camlost)

    True. Less to fear now every which way you look. A year ago, he’d allude to Soros as “our wayward countryman” or such.

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  5. — I am pretty sure that other leaders throughout Europe have privately asked Orban to stay consistent and vocal, he has obliged them… because he cares (Camlost)

    I don’t follow… what do you mean?

    I’m pretty sure that opposition leaders in Germany, Sweden, Belgium and other NW European nations feel hamstrung about their own ability to speak against the heavy migrant immigration that the EU is pushing. I think that Orban is vocal in such a grand way that it suggests he’s trying to speak for those other European leaders who can’t talk up as freely due to PC.

    It’s an inverse “radio free America” sort of thing.

    [Good point. There’s no way there isn’t back-channel communication between Orban and Geert Wilders and similar dissident figures. –PA]

  6. A country as dysfunctional as Ukraine probably could benefit from the expertise of some Western Europeans.
    There was an article on Amren about French men moving to Eastern Europe.

  7. “A country as dysfunctional as Ukraine probably could benefit from the expertise of some Western Europeans.”

    Ukraine is dysfunctional because it is owned and run by a handful of ultra rich oligarchs, many of whom are Jews (despite Jews being a fraction of the population), and one of whom, possibly the richest, is a Muslim. This is why (((Victoria Nuland))) was so intent on keeping Russian influence out of Ukraine — she doesn’t want her tribe to lose one of its finest looting grounds. And this is why the U.S. was behind the “coup”.

    Ukraine has been used as a proxy nation like Vietnam, where the U.S. and Russia challenge each other. Had the witch Hillary been elected, I’m 95% certain there would have been a shooting war there with Russia since Hillary was a complete neocon stooge, leading to who knows what. WWIII likely. Trump isn’t that stupid. Remember when he even called out psycho McCain and closeted Graham for always wanting to start WWIII?

    Ukraine would do well in the Russian orbit. Their oligarchs need to be crushed.

  8. PA, I totally agree that Eastern Europe should avoid an influx of Western Europeans, other than overt white nationalists. It’s like when California white liberals ruined their state and then spread out to Colorado and other places, bringing their insanity with them and ruining those places.

    Leftists have zero self-awareness. A German or Swedish Prog might look around and say, “wow, things have really gotten crappy here at home with all this crime and rape and the unsafe streets.” Then they would move to Hungary for a “safe space.” And on their first day there they would be agitating for an open immigration policy.

    Yes, they literally are THAT oblivious to the effects of their own actions and ideas. That is, the ones that are the useful idiots. A smaller number are simply evil. And really, it only takes a relatively small number of people to ruin a nation. Hell, in Ireland it only took ONE man, (((Alan Shatter))), to ruin a white nation. The East needs to be very, very careful about Western influence.

  9. The first wave of Western Europeans who move to Poland or Hungary will be pretty far right of center, generally speaking. They won’t bring a liberalizing influence with them.

    Those yankees you mentioned as relocating to NC are living really comfortable, they’ve got the luxury of subscribing to the foolishness of liberalism. They just want lower property taxes, decent public schools (cheaper than NYC private schools) and the benefit of being closer to grandma down in Boca Raton.

    For now, though, it’s better that they stay in Germany and oppose Merkel or remain in France and support the National Front.

  10. “A German or Swedish Prog might look around and say, “wow, things have really gotten crappy here at home with all this crime and rape and the unsafe streets.” Then they would move to Hungary for a “safe space.” And on their first day there they would be agitating for an open immigration policy.”

    I still wonder why that is. If, say, one is compelled to offer the familiar answer that well-off whites, being in the apex of human civil societies, innocently but naively think that all populations are a blank-slate potential wise and can achieve what they did given the basic map, then how would you explain whites continuing to agitate for liberal immigration policies even after having moved to escape the scrum?

    To all that, I still sound my familiar riff about those at the top, who’ve attained the ideal, have to come to grips with an occasional disenchantment, a sense of ‘is-that-all-there-is?’ in which their investing in futile or dubious social-uplift enterprises balms a very frightening and confusing nihilism and enervation of spirit when they become ho-hum toward their own sense of mission and fulfillment, thus the urge to bestow stewardship to lesser (or ‘less-fortunate’, progs more likely say) ‘others,’ hence your never-ending prog agendas from that ethne and class. That, by the way, is a very consistent and i’d almost say ‘trademark’ ethos and convictions and/or contentions made by Michel Houellebecq, btw, who’ve i’ve sorta gotten interested in in recent months after he’s been cited in this and other alt-right blogs. (Maybe my riff about ‘elite-class enervation’ will ring more true if it comes from him rather than me, lol).

    There are very stringent and familar socio-economic indicators identifying those who comprise the alt-right.

  11. From wikipedia re. Houellebecq:

    “Houellebecq has been accused of polemic stunts for the media. The author’s statements in interviews and from his novels, led to the accusation that he was anti-Islamic. In 2002, Houellebecq faced trial on charges of racial hatred after calling Islam “the dumbest religion” in an interview about his book Platform published in the literary magazine Lire. He told a court in Paris that his words had been twisted, saying: “I have never displayed the least contempt for Muslims [but] I have as much contempt as ever for Islam”.[15] The court acquitted him.[16] He was sued by a civil-rights group for hate speech and won on the grounds of freedom of expression.[10]”

    This blows my mind, yet while reading this passage of his bio and backstory, something dawned on me: only a more advanced western society could believe, legislate and actually pursue such relatively aesthetic crimes, quite literal ‘thought crimes’ in fact. There is certainly some hyper-odd and eccentric existential ‘end-game’ to a white, western society getting so formally, almost experimentally, punitive toward a relgious and racial MINORITY on its own sovereign (or do we now have to say ‘once-sovereign) land and nations.

    The actual convictions these northern euro courts do obtain for ‘thought crimes’ are the literal booty or plunder proving what i say above about the ultimate motive or subconscious imperative of such laws.

  12. The actual convictions these northern euro courts do obtain for ‘thought crimes’ are the literal booty or plunder proving what i say above about the ultimate motive or subconscious imperative of such laws.

    The UK is far worse. I remember PA did a threat on Emma West at one time, but the police there also scour social media for thought crimes. If you were to even say something like “I don’t believe that Muslims belong here” that is 100% prosecutable under their statutes.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-27186573

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/online-troll-muslims-police-facebook-11707461#ICID=sharebar_twitter

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-27186573

    http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/02/katie-hopkins-illegal-tweeting

  13. Transplants don’t literally lobby for more immigration. That’s something that occurs at the level of professional politics, chamber of commerce, and Jewish financing. What transplants do though, is impose their own identity on their host state in a million toxic little ways.

    As one example, I remember talking with someone in Tennessee in the 90s, who complained about the Northerners moving in and passing ordinances such as prohibiting work on cars in one’s driveway. Basically, to make the place less rednecky. And I learned the word “townie” from upper class types in Boston in reference to people with the local accent. 

    Transplants immediately get to work to do away with things they consider backward, pointless, unfair, contemptible, inefficient, unfamiliar, embarrassing, disorderly, and annoying in their adopted homeland. That’s how you get Californians fucking up every state they move to. I know transplants whose wider (also carpetbagger) social circle regards everything in their Southern state outside of their SWPL enclaves as “a redneck wasteland.”

    It’s just human nature. People don’t discard their identity because magic dirt. The scorpion will always sting the frog. Orban is smart in framing Hungary as a champion of freedom, but he knows that letting in foreign Europeans would californicate his country.

    Locals are always more complacent (the entire point of having a home is that you get to relax there) while immigrants, regardless of class or nationality, will have an activist mentality.

  14. When I lived in the Raleigh area many years ago you saw a lot of pickup trucks with bumper stickers that say “we don’t care how you did it up NAWTH.” Yes, a tacky thing to have on your vehicle, but still funny. And, of course, they all wanted to move down and live in the suburb of Cary (aka Concentrated Area for Relocated Yankees).

  15. I hear its now also known as “Curry-enriched Area for Relocated Yankees” for all the tech H1Bs.

    LOL. When I was at NC State for summer school the Indian Tech Grad Students (future H-1B’s) would hijack the kitchen in the dorms and kick up community food for 30+ in there, the smell would take over the campus and cling to your clothes just walking by. They’d always finish school as soon as possible and take few breaks, probably because of the cost of going back/forth home to India.

    Great food, I love it – but I don’t want the curry exuding from my pores all week.

    And no one is more obsessively liberal than a 2nd generation south Asian that you meet in college – think Kal Penn.

    And nothing is more annoying than when you have a buddy that is dating a 2nd-generation Indian girl – think Mindy Kaling – they are nauseatingly PC about everything and never, ever shut up. If they are awake their mouth is moving.

  16. Black Pigeon Speaks – How Women Destroy Civilzations has reached over 1 Million youtube hits in lesz than a year. THE ALT-RIGHT IS WINNING!

  17. Many liberals have their ears perked to listen for any un PC conversation. Then they don’t understand why we don’t enjoy their company.

  18. “Many liberals have their ears perked to listen for any un PC conversation. Then they don’t understand why we don’t enjoy their company.”

    Yes, in the worst intances, certain hardcore libs have bot-triggered minds, in which mere certain un-p.c. buzzwords or phrases alone, regardless of context, are enough to trigger fury, wrath.

    That’s what keeps the high-level resentment and other communicative dichotomies in play —- that absurd absolutist stance in a topic —– social-cultural relations —- in which ‘matter of degree’ means everything.

    Some people simply don’t want to get-along or even agree to disagree.

  19. Yes, in the worst intances, certain hardcore libs have bot-triggered minds, in which mere certain un-p.c. buzzwords or phrases alone, regardless of context, are enough to trigger fury, wrath. — Nikcrit

    In the MRKN Narrative, “nigger” and “white supremacy” are the most critical triggers to the Zeitgeist. Yet, how these triggers are actually pulled and by whom is of even greater importance..

  20. Extensive time spent in the RTP area of North Carolina. I echo the other comments here about how this area is full of carpetbaggers (me, for example), and H1-Bs. There’s a street leading to some fortune 500 tech companies around her like Cisco, NetApp, Lenovo, just to name a few. During rush hour, it’s a never-ending stream of H1-Bs turning onto that main avenue. I have disaffectionately named the road “H1-B visa avenue”. My lib carpetbagger neighbors don’t understand how I could want to deny equal opportunity for all and label me appropriately. I was walking with my daughter past a new neighborhood comprised mostly of Indian H1-Bs (I don’t know how, but some new housing developments instantly are bought up by Indians, as if they had planned to pounce immediately.) There was a party in the back yard of one of these houses, and at airport-level decibels were conversations in singy-songy language that we could not understand.

    Here’s the thing: I am a US Citizen having moved here from predominately blue-state territory. The thing I did not do when I moved here is to tell all of the unenlightened locals how they need to change, and that I along with my other enlightened northern friends are all moving here to change their state for the better. I don’t go somewhere, even in my own country, and act like a know-it-all dick. I act like a guest.

  21. The cable need networks are really going 24-7 apeshite over this Flynn NSA resignation.

    He needs a connected chief of staff to control all the impulsive Tweets and statements. Political capitol is finite.

  22. — Political capitol is finite.

    You are either being disingenuously “concerned” or you’re at least 15 years out of date. President Trump will never have any political capital with the lib/cuck half of the country. He could learn medicine in this week and cure cancer the next, and he will still have no political capital with them. His political capital can only grow with our half of the country to infinity, so long as he works to make America ours again.

  23. He needs a connected chief of staff to control all the impulsive Tweets and statements. Political capitol is finite.

    Hey, Nik. Remember back when you said that Trump was destined to get trounced and that even states like South Carolina were “in play”? LOL, just had to remind you.

  24. “President Trump will never have any political capital with the lib/cuck half of the country. He could learn medicine in this week and cure cancer the next, and he will still have no political capital with them. His political capital can only grow with our half of the country to infinity, so long as he works to make America ours again.”

    Nonsense! The votes and victorious patterns present in his election were voters who were evenly or slightly in the majority Democrat and in very large part were white ex-urbanites who voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. And Trump’s presidency so far is going along but encountering the kind of problems that I totally and precisely predicted; i.e., those that would come with office-holding neophyte with an incredibly vainglorious ego and sense of slight…… Yet, I want his key planks to go through: border enforcement and current immigration law re-enactment; new labor and job policy; and tempering globalism culturally and economically, which relates heavily to my labor-and-job-policy listing and is a contemporary crisis called-out by Ross Perot 25 years ago.

    Your interpretation and specifically your quote above is self-serving, unobjective and outright awkward in how hard and ham-fisted you project YOUR wishes onto Trump when there is no evidence whatsoever that he’s some sort-of fighter for white nationalism and is slowly but surely fighting to regain ‘your’ half of the country to infinity.

    No, what you call ‘lib-cucks’ were, in fact, the fickly electorate that were decisive in Trump’s victory: semi-rural to outlying suburban whites in Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania — WHO VOTED IN SLIGHT MAJORITY FOR OBAMA IN THE TWO ELECTIONS BEFORE LAST NOVEMBER’S.

    You have this child-like, inspirational tactic of willing into being your cultural and political wishlists when it comes your writing allegedly objective political analysis.

  25. Most of the liberals I know will never give Trump the benefit of the doubt. There is no point in taking their advice or meeting them halfway.

  26. “Hey, Nik. Remember back when you said that Trump was destined to get trounced and that even states like South Carolina were “in play”? LOL, just had to remind you.”

    I was going by aggregate-computated data on polls that ran in RCP, which had MATHEMATICALLY proven to be very reliable indicators of previous elections; what Trump did was quite unprecedented in how he fooled his believers and critics alike in terms of predictivity..

    I just don’t think that Trump is a white nationalist, which you and PA and prbably a few others presume is me wishing HRC would’ve won. NOT!

    And there was a point in October in which RCP ran a story driven by polling data saying that S.C was in play —– which is quite fantastical a notion historically.

    Here’s where I stand: I don’t like Trump in terms of his personal ethics and character as a man; I think he’s a vainglorious adolescent in termperament —– BUT I LIKE HIS KEY THREE MAJOR PLANKS TO HIS CANDIDACY, listed in my last comment.

    I think his personal qualities may very well hinder him of achieving his three key goals; that’s what i’m getting at rhetorically when I say stuff like “I wish it was Patrick Buchanan who was in his first 100 days of office, etc.

  27. Nonsense! The votes and victorious patterns present in his election were voters who were evenly or slightly in the majority Democrat and in very large part were white ex-urbanites who voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012.

    Those prole whites were already destined to leave the new Democratic Party as it becomes more and more overtly anti-traditional, anti-white and centered around grievance politics of all type. This may have happened a little faster when Trump coupled it with an pro-manufacturing economic message, but it was inevitable.

    They are not going back to the Democrats.

  28. It’s like this: I have a deep, deep distrust of celebrity —– and probably a more detailed definition of the term than most, even though that deeper preoccupation with it may be biased.

  29. “They are not going back to the Democrats.”

    You have no way whatsoever of knowing as much at this point. None.

    They said the precise same thing for the precise same reasons after Reagan’s second term was completed.

    Sooo, the dems realized they had gotten ‘too far left’ so enter: Bill Clinton and Triangulation 1.0.

    Yawn, so you could easily see Dem triangulation 2.0 come 2020—— if the egomaniac crybaby doesn’t get his shit together and focus on pushing through agenda, even if every single bit of it wasn’t about him

    I say he should put aside that propsed white house investigation in the cable-news channels faulty crowd-size estimates of his inauguration speech, don’t you?

  30. Buchanan has always been conservative. He is a more authentic conservative than Trump. He also probably could not have won this election. As long as Trump is being advised by real conservatives, I think we’ll be fine. The fact that the left hates Trump so much makes me think he is good.

  31. Pat Buchanan didn’t have a snowball’s chase in Hades even back with our 1980 demographics. But still love his ideas.

  32. “They are not going back to the Democrats.”

    You have no way whatsoever of knowing as much at this point. None.

    You think that white working class people will support the black party, which puts Michael Brown’s mother on stage, talks about “white privilege”, makes all of its political leaders grovel over their “racial blind spots”, calls white proles “deplorables”, lobbies for tranny bathrooms in public schools, etc? You don’t think there’s going to be an obvious trend for downscale whites to move out of the Democratic Party?

    I guess we will see.

  33. If the Rust Belt Unions come over into the Trump camp fully that would be very damaging for the Democrats.

    Obama never really paid much attention to Unions, for reasons related to their composition.

  34. More wisdom from Tim Wise:

  35. “If the Rust Belt Unions come over into the Trump camp fully that would be very damaging for the Democrats.”

    It’s my understanding that Trump is pretty hostile to unions, though i’m not certain. I do know that in his earlier business days, he’s gone head-to-head with that SEIU, the service-industry union who at one point set up shop in Trump’s casinos.

    IMO, it’s going to be important to get union nad other working-class and middle-class political support from both GOPs and Dems. Trump talked some impressive talk about trade, jobs and economic-class empowerment during the campaign —– but his cabinet and other picks indicate that classic capitulation to turncoat-self-interest….. I wonder what peterike has to say about this; he’s often described in pretty good detail all the financial-class crime that went down at the end of the GWB’s era and led to the bailouts, but it seems Trump’s going for the same Bankster VIPs and bankster-type financial regulations; it would be really pitiful if Trump just turns out to be an even-more-brazen-than-usual political-elitist pimp.

  36. “You think that white working class people will support the black party, which puts Michael Brown’s mother on stage, talks about “white privilege”, makes all of its political leaders grovel over their “racial blind spots”, calls white proles “deplorables”, lobbies for tranny bathrooms in public schools, etc?”

    No, I’d think not —– but I think the Dems will change, a la the ‘Triangulation 2.0’ riff of mine, etc.

    It’s sorta weird. Obama, in terms of economic policy and immigration, he was reasonable; he deported more people, clearly, than did GWB, focusing on criminals and very recent illegals. But his larger iconography, which just comes with his body and its skin tone, eclipses all that in the public imagination. He’s associated with that hyper-p.c. nonsense that we call out but which really didn’t emanate from him, but rather white SWPLs who probably had little day-to-day contact with NAMs.

  37. It’s sorta weird. Obama, in terms of economic policy and immigration, he was reasonable; he deported more people, clearly, than did GWB,

    LMAO.

    You really think that Obama deported more people than Bush? No way. He simply had all agencies change the way that they counted “deportations”. Every single border encounter or turnaway was called a deportation. He just fudged the numbers to mask how little he was doing elsewhere.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

    No, I’d think not —– but I think the Dems will change, a la the ‘Triangulation 2.0’ riff of mine, etc.

    I don’t think so. The Democratic Party is a train on rails toward a leftward destination. They are not coming back, and there will be significant pressure on them to stop nominating whites (especially males) for high position. There will never be another Bill Clinton.

    Didn’t you see the Sally Boyton Brown video I posted? This is at actual meetings for the nomination of the next DNC chair, this isn’t a private BLM affair:

  38. You gotta watch that Sally video. She makes Hillary Clinton’s talking sound like sweet nectar. No hyperbole: if she were saying this in front of me, I’d have to abruptly leave because otherwise I could not resist driving my fist through her head.

    Conservative-leaning often older Boomer types who work themselves into anti-Trump sentiments are stuck in a politics-as-usual worldview. They don’t or won’t see the pressure of identitarian tension that’s built up. The calls to genocide are out in the open. This sort of thing does not retract because too much has been promised to each side.

  39. And you have to understand who Sally is – a Democratic Party official in one of those “empty” Western states that votes Democratic at a 20% clip. And so her type of sad, blatant pandering is what you can expect from any “black party” candidate lacking in political capital amongst blacks.

    I don’t think the Democrats can even see the monster they’ve created with grievance politics. Bill/Hillary had 35 years of track record kissing black backside and representing black issues – and her black turnout still sucked. Just imagine when they try to run some boring old white candidate like Elizabeth Warren, who wants to talk about issues that mean ZILCHO to blacks like Middle Eastern immigration and wikileaks/Russian emails.

    Your “triangulation” thing ain’t happening for the Democrats, bro.

  40. As a Republican, I am glad there are people like Sally in the Democrat Party. I wouldn’t even stay around long enough for her to “shut me up”. She is speaking to white Democrats. Her attitude might drive a few of them away.

  41. — As a Republican, I am glad there are people like Sally in the Democrat Party.

    It’s interesting to watch the older white (sic) man behind her. He looks uncomfortable and is late to laugh but then tries to catch up on it. The African fellow to his left is loving it.

  42. “You really think that Obama deported more people than Bush? No way. He simply had all agencies change the way that they counted “deportations”.”

    Yeah, i read your latimes.com link and i’ve heard that the O numbers were a shell game elsewhere. Well, that sucks for everyone who wants controlled borders, ‘cuz, as we know, the dems look at free-flowing migrants as net votes, while the cons blow smoke on their paleocon division with tough talk, all the while winking to their corporate wing, assuring them that all the peonage and other near-slave-level labor will continue. I won’t go into it here, but i think there are some very, very fishy if not outright ominous elements to this Gorsuch nomination that indicates Trump is onboard or being coerced or maybe even being bamboozled; why would he go for such a moderate neo-con at a time when he has peak political capitol and no need to appease for such an important court seat? No, they’re getting a non-controversial choice in who’s past-case precedents indicate that he’s down with all these illegal right-to-work cases, including two big ones; read ’em —– they are his most impressive and detailed cases as a judge, and they’re basically grease-skidders to the corporate GOP-wing pet issue of immigrant labor law.

    Cam is not noticing any of this because you’re too busy stroking your boner over some fantasy that the dems are down forever; you of all people should now the futility of predicting political trend futures, as you and all the other regulars, up until November of last year, have gone on for hours about how the cons were fucked and given the browning of the census would never, ever win an election again against the dems —– to which I often ON THE RECORD HERE dismissed as overly pessimistic nonsense.

    My dispassionate, objective halfrican outsider advice: Take a cold, clinical eye to the three biggest things you want your hero Trump to do and think of what would be the most efficient, prudent and wise ways to quickly do said tasks. Such an exercise would prompt these sober questions: are some of these recent headlines necessary; is there a bit of hubris and bluster that may hinder getting some things done? Is he looking ahead?

    Finally, consider, if you will, what I said about this Gorsuch nomination and confirmation proceedings, official and not, and ask yourself if there’s something unseemly going on in terms of the choice.

  43. I know a lot of white men who vote Democrat. if they lose them, they’re in trouble. I think a lot of them just selectively ignore the anti white man animus of their party.

  44. Cam is not noticing any of this because you’re too busy stroking your boner over some fantasy that the dems are down forever; you of all people should now the futility of predicting political trend futures, as you and all the other regulars, up until November of last year, have gone on for hours about how the cons were fucked and given the browning of the census would never, ever win an election again against the dems —– to which I often ON THE RECORD HERE dismissed as overly pessimistic nonsense.

    Huh? What are you, 21 years old?

    The Democrats won’t be “done forever” – we will always have a 2-party system. But the Democrats will have increasingly less whites for the near future unless they pivot to the center, and there’s very little evidence they will be doing that any time soon. They are making the foolish mistake of attaching their political futures to emotional types – blacks, feminists, and fruits and nut of their various fringe groups – these people have no ability to compromise or sustain a political system – if they had such capability they’d have a successful country of their own somewhere and wouldn’t need the white man or his Republic or laws.

    But, in general, your party has to get stung a few times to inspire a change in platform, the trend is always going to be “throw the bums out”.

    Take a cold, clinical eye to the three biggest things you want your hero Trump to do and think of what would be the most efficient, prudent and wise ways to quickly do said tasks

    Thanks for asking:

    1. close the border, wake up core Americans to the question of Demographics
    2. save the supreme court from another lesbian or affirmative action star
    3. wake up core Americans to the inherent liberalism of the media.

    Done, done, and done. The rest is gravy.

  45. “Done, done, and done.”
    Really? In fact, he hasn’t done anything yet —– except make a lot of distracting noise that’s only pissing people off and getting his own party concerned; yes, i understand that he’s a ‘seachange icon’ or whatever— but wouldn’t it be nice for him to get a few things done, practically, before he further burnishes his image as a ‘paleoiconoclast?’

    And while your #2 concern may be delivered, do you consider my Gorsuch concern valid? Or did you get lost in the anti-lesbian and anti-AA smoke blown around his choice? If so, you can forget about the part after the comma in you #1 concern.

    RE. #3: I’ve been thinking about the role of the press in the west in the post WWII years; moreso for the U.S. possibly, but i wonder if the purpose of a national press is to be ‘classically liberal’ in the pre-p.c. sense —– open, inquiring, a bit utopianistic, overall imaginative to the possibilities. Meanwhile, a federated republicanism is possibly the best form of govt. in western societies, with such a style allowing for paleocon interests and protection in rural towns and hamlets and classic liberal humanism in terms of commerce and production and market force in international linchpin cities of those federated republics (like the U.S.).

    Sometimes, it’s not a problem of ‘too much liberalism’ or too much “reactionary conservative’ repression—– but either being applied in the wrong circumstance, no?

  46. The only people I see getting worked up are liberals. The country is in good hands. I have barely paid attention to politics since Trump has been in office.

  47. [There is a lot more. When this is all over, Viktor Orbán will be recognized as the savior of Europe.]

    In order of potency the three last standing challenges to world government are China, Russia and Islam.
    Not to belittle your dear Eastern Europe, but we know Western Europe (much more rich and powerful than Eastern) has been a US colony for decades… go figure what resistance the East could oppose.

    Now they are opposing globalism only because globalism can’t throw off its mask yet. If China and Russia had been conquered (and the mask could be definitely thrown), Eastern Europe would be taken over in a week.

  48. “Orbán’s statement is a brilliant gambit. Here is why: Eastern European countries are being attacked by the EU as undemocratic. What they are really attacked for is being anti-globalist.”

    Is that still as true today as it was a year or two ago? I mean, i’m pretty lacking in terms of being hard on top this story, and I mos-def lack larger perspective and context re. Eastern-vs-Western-Europe (that’s what bracie, here, is for, right?).

    But it’s my impression that Euro nationalism is gaining some traction in terms of it not being vilified, anId even cited and public endorsed by euro leaders, i.e., Merkel’s recent declaration to reverse migration plans and stop an already planned influx. That due to overt public pressure and a recent change in overall sentiment, some leaders are reading the political trendlines and acting accordingly…

    I wonder; if the nationalists decided to play diplomatically and suggested that immigration might be kind toward those desperate migrants but it’s really too painful for natives and causes too much upheaval, etc. —— so might we instead just commit to giving funds and resources in order to create political settlements back in their native lands, etc., and work with the forces causing their desperation, etc.—–

    I know that’s farfetched but i wonder if such a duo tactic —- “kind rejection,” call it —— would not force the globalists hands in revealing that they’re not really interested in the plight of the migrant but rather interested in this soul-crushing population replacement, etc.

    Is there any merit to such speculation?

  49. Is there any merit to such speculation?

    Merkel is up for re-election next year and trailing badly, she only changed her stances recently when the polls starting showing her unpopularity:

    https://www.thelocal.de/20170214/two-thirds-of-germans-want-merkel-out-at-next-election

    Also, France has elections next year and the Nationalist/anti-immigration LePen is leading, although a coalition of her opponents may prevent her ultimate victory:

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/frances-long-stalemate-is-on-the-verge-of-a-complete-breakdown/

    The recent Brexit results, along with the intransigence of Hungary, Austria, Poland and (to a lesser degree) Denmark on the immigration issue are biting back against PC in Germany. Sweden and Norway have pretty much decided to commit suicide.

  50. Also, in France Marine Le Pen has promised to give the French people a referendum on France leaving the EU (“frexit”) if she is elected President in 2017 but it is not polling as well as it did in Britain. (yet)

  51. — if the nationalists decided to play diplomatically

    Right wing politicians play it one way, nationalist street demonstrators play it another way. I don’t see much use for “kind rejection.” What’s the point? Those fucking human garbage refugees rape KIDS. And even if they didn’t, they are not wanted or needed there because they are invaders.

    — Is that still as true today as it was a year or two ago?

    You can look at any news aggregator page such as Yahoo, and you will invariably see some idiotic headline about Hungary or Poland. Its not just about migrants. For example, Poland has one of the most restrictive abortion laws in Europe, if not the most. A few months ago the right wing ruling party proposed even stricter laws and … immediately Western NGOs shrieked “anti-woman!!” There were headlines about HUGE DEMONSTRATIONS in Warsaw, with a zoomed-in closeup of a gaggle of dykes.

    I wouldn’t put much stock in Merkel’s statements on reducing anything. She is trying to help her poll numbers. If she were serious about rectifying her mistake she’d (1) stop all immigration now (2) start mass repatriations, to the last invader (3) pardon everyone who is in prison or who was fined for speaking out against the invasion (4) decriminalize nationalistic speech (5) resign from office.

  52. , but i wonder if the purpose of a national press is to be ‘classically liberal’ in the pre-p.c. sense —– open, inquiring, a bit utopianistic, overall imaginative to the possibilities. Meanwhile, a federated republicanism is possibly the best form of govt. in western societies, with such a style allowing for paleocon interests and protection in rural towns and hamlets and classic liberal humanism in terms of commerce and production and market force in international linchpin cities of those federated republics (like the U.S.)

    Are you saying that the press should be a liberal propaganda mouthpiece for the coastal cosmopolitans only? And a federation would allow paleocon interests to flourish in flyover territory… but they themselves should not have a corresponding press to promote paleocon ideals?

    im confused, but hey surprise surprise the black liberal journalist lets his mask slip from time to time and admits that journalism isn’t “just about the facts m’am” it’s really about promoting a leftist political agenda.

  53. “m confused, but hey surprise surprise the black liberal journalist lets his mask slip from time to time and admits that journalism isn’t “just about the facts m’am” it’s really about promoting a leftist political agenda.”

    Lol. How in God’s name did you get that interpretation from what I said?

    Your symbolic ‘breaking away’ is getting a bit embarrassing, Spread your wings and fly, young red-pilled neophyte. You have daddy’s blessings!

    Actually, I could conceivably see describing myself as ‘liberal’ in the classic early 20th-century sense of the word and its political comportment. Most of my friends and colleagues consider me to be some sorta minority conservative —– probably just from the frisson conveyed by my commenting at blogs like this, which alone is enough to assume just about everything-to-anything else.

    But what’s funny to me is that my total ‘journalistic history’ is apolitical. I mean, just when did I get to be this “liberal journalist” you speak of? When deconstructing the genesis of Soul Asylum with Dave Pirner in a suite at the Drake? Or while sitting in on a Hansen practice at their studio in Norman, Oklahoma?

  54. OK well I broke my rule of not commenting while drinking, in this case a fine Napa valley gas station pinot grigio. I still don’t think my comment is that far off base, especially in the context of your response to Camlost.

  55. “m confused, but hey surprise surprise the black liberal journalist lets his mask slip from time to time and admits that journalism isn’t “just about the facts m’am” it’s really about promoting a leftist political agenda.”

    @ MGE – I think Trickin was essentially saying “but wasn’t it once a legitimate and necessary role for the MSM to be the “liberal” media gadfly/opposition that questions/examines everything?” — and he’s right. But that was back in the 70’s-80’s before news became fused with politics/entertainment and back when an older generation of reporters showed some restraint on infusing their own views into everything. (like actual journalism, and stuff)

    Those days are over now.

  56. A liberal in my family just wrote on Facebook about how to talk to a Trump supporter. It said, “talk to them in language they understand, try to explain to them”.

  57. “…..but it is not polling as well as it did in Britain. (yet)”

    Probably because the country’s demographic already has skewed toward the outcome of what the referendum suggests and why it came into being.

  58. elk, here’s the Hanson song i recall from my interaction with them. I have a quick, funny Hanson anecdote that fits the theme of this blog: I wrote a widely distributed newspaper wire story and later stretched out into a mag feature on Hanson whose approach was: irony and cynicism aside, this is a very good band by classic teen-pop wunderkind standards, blah-blah; anyhow, i went that route along with some clearcut humor and self-deprecation in my process-piece like interactings and quoting the members played against straight-review-like elements —– AND I GOT WIDELY LAMBASTED FOR IT!

  59. cont. The public reaction amongst the hipster readers was: how could you praise such unartistic ‘pop’ art, blah-blah; but there was also a racial element that insinuated i was sorta being Tom-ish by praising them; I even poked fun at some then-prevailing p.c.-pieties of the time, in which in action movies at the time (the late 90s) nearly all the villains were blonde European males, and then contrasted such observations with how the band, examined song-by-song, riff-by-riff, was actually quite good and stood up to its earlier peers such as the Osmonds and the Jackson Five, etc.

    Anyhow, Hanson is a pretty straight-up ‘white band’ —– though their introduciton to pop music was gleaned almost solely from a Time-Life ‘Classic-rock compilation box set sold during those televsion infomercials of the time.

    here’s the link, which i forgot in part 1 of this comment:

  60. Didn’t Sasha and Malia Obama cause quite the stir about 5 years ago when they said that they listen to the Jonas Brothers?

    But some of those Jonas Brothers have grown up quite a bit now:

  61. Those kids could shred, per appearances, if they were pulling those jams live at the mall. You never know how their live shows will compare to the studio version unless you see it yourself though.

    Who has the songwriting credit on those songs? MMMBob was their monster hit, that video has 25 million youtube views. The lyrics are pretty good, but they are about the fleetingness of youth, and then that being sung by youths themselves is ironic.

  62. Any commentary on the boy band Hanson though, is incomplete if it doesn’t at least mention their looks.

    The number one youtube comment is “I had a crush on the lead singer until I found out she was a boy” and another one goes “We all came together — in his ass” which i hate to say it, but is funny as hell.

    Youtube commentary that aims for the knockout one-liners draws its own talent to the top.

    And it is hard not to be a little cynical about that aspect of their appeal, and how the video plays it up, and how the kids themselves play it up. The gorgeous! middle kid seems to know just how to make those yearning faces; and the younger percussion kid already can already do a pretty good Blue Steel; and the oldest? well we have to include him in the video too, so at least he is not fat.

    And also along those lines, is simply the inherent appeal of blondness, which magic appeal is universal and which those kids (obviously) have in spades. I did not recall that their origins were in that part of the country (lower Great Plains states) and as such they resemble the guitarist from Kansas who has that same hair. The people from there were an American collection of Nordic German, become a specific American type that was once abundant and common even. Back when we were the envy of the world.

  63. it’s interesting to contrast that Jonas Bros. vid with the Hanson Bros. vids, which more or less came about one decade apart. While both acts are clear examples of the American tradition of white middle-class youth bringing inherently advantageous market appeal to black-American-style pop-soul-R&B stylings, listeners can clearly discern a much more intricate and affected black-pop vocal styling and delivery in the later Jonas Bros. song. I mean, Hanson maintains about as much poppy soul and R&B in their sound and vocal presentation about as much as the Osmond Brothers decades earlier (and who, btw, were falsely and hypocritically disdained for historically inconvenient racial reasons)……perhaps there’s a market-niche opp for me there: a biracially authored treatise defending the mid-20th-century vilification of Utah’s Osmond Brothers! Lol!!

  64. Hanson update: I coincidentally came across the following link after we went off on a Hanson riff for a day-and-a-half —— and it’s all good news, WN’s!

    It seems that rather than turning to leftist libertine excess, those wholesome boys in Hanson turned into respectable paleocon goys, getting married and raising children as fast as they could seed ’em! 🙂

    http://www.zimbio.com/Celebrity+Life/articles/LyDbUCcxEvy/Hanson+Brothers+Grown+Up+11+Kids+Between+Them

  65. I honestly think that police officer should have just let him go and tried to track him down later. He was too outnumbered and it was taking the police too long to get there.

  66. No one was hit by the shot he fired. Apparently, he has had an ongoing issue with these kids walking across his lawn. My guess is these kids were intentionally walking on his lawn because they know it angers him. That is annoying, but I don’t find a lawn worth all the trouble he’s in.

  67. Walking across the lawn is how it starts.

    Next thing you know they are looking in your windows, as they “walk across the lawn” …

    Yeah and, and but Nothing is worth the trouble he is in.

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