The Lowest of Gutter Trash

Today, that would be a divorced or single mother of White children who ruts outside of her own race, specifically with Blacks, and brings those men into her own kids’ lives.

I occasionally see this. The other day I’m at a family crafts activity and I see a Black fellow — he was quiet and out of place in that crowd — and a White boy of about seven with him. Unlike the other boys there with their fathers (and sometimes with their mothers), the boy looked hauntingly miserable.

Sexually degenerate people have cavalier attitudes toward endangering their own children. A stepfather — a passing-through boyfriend even more so — of any race can be indifferent and sometimes hostile to his girlfriend’s kids. But when you compound the presence of an interloper-male in a child’s life with the element of racial hostility, you expose the child to the risk of psychological trauma, or worse.

A social order that sacrifices its young is illegitimate. A year ago in a post on raising one’s daughter to not become a mudshark, I described liberal America as a child-destroying Moloch. But then again as far as child welfare is concerned, the secrets of late-decadent establishment might well soon be vomited up. In acts of apparent collusion between the media and the government, major newspapers are scrubbing their recent articles on the mass arrests of international pedophile rings.

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As liberalism ebbs, nationalism grows, political correctness crumbles, and men’s territorial instincts are awakened, society’s indulgent attitude toward interracial libertinism is not long for this world. As we’ve seen mixing play out over the era of peak-multiculturalism, it is not a mere matter of free association. It is not just a case of private consenting choice. What it is, is a corruption of our society by shorting out one of its key stabilizing mechanisms: a woman’s accountability for her discivic sexual behavior.

White men have a low sexual disgust threshold relative to others — physical, moral. Those of us with options are also not keen on rewarding dumpy divorcees with commitment, however fleeting. So in a work-around on our social checks and balances, those low-value women avail themselves of less-choosy men of another race.

All mudsharks are lost and as I once wrote, each in her own way feels the sting of internal exile from White community. But once that walking sac of transcontinental telegony exposes her own White child to the sewer-end of tribal contention, she becomes an unfit mother and a child abuser in every way but in (presently) codified law.

The female who makes her abasement not only her own personal problem, and not merely society’s problem in the abstract — but also makes her selfishness a vehicle of her very own children’s physical endangerment and psychological abuse — is the lowest of gutter trash.

The child’s father, possibly someone who lost the kids in a divorce, has every moral authority to act on his protective instincts and remove his children from the danger that their mother is putting them in. As for the rest of us, it is our duty to expel that category of irresponsible mother from White comfort. As long as she comes around, freeze her out. Don’t let her forget what she is.

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390 thoughts on “The Lowest of Gutter Trash

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  2. David Lane thought white mixers should be captured, re-educated, and reintegrated. I agree.

    Mixer-women are being influenced by the media mainly. They see white men allowing all these things in their countries, and doing nothing about it. Attraction is a choice. No woman is attracted to weak, spineless men.

    It is incorrect that white women will be “charitable” and mate with a conquered group like white men. You overestimate their loyalty.

    And I’ve seen little support for men like Joe Paul Franklin that gunned down mixer couple, which put some teeth in those words. He “should” be regarded almost as a god.

  3. It is incorrect that white women will be “charitable” and mate with a conquered group like white men. You overestimate their loyalty.

    Many people overstate the role of ‘geopolitics’ (for lack of a better word) in a woman’s decision to mix. The average American woman is not cognizant of the men in her milieu being “conquered.” It’s a case of all politics being local: she sees the White alphas, betas, and losers. That’s the world thru her periscope. A typical mixer is a low-tier woman (a dumpy divorcee in this case) who aims to upgrade on mate quality over what she’d pull with White men, who are more choosy.

    This post is about a very specific kind of ‘shark — one who already has White kids and she exposes them to her black boyfriends. A whole different level of dysfunction.

  4. I see a lot of these around Detroit. They use corporal punishment more… imagine losing your white father and getting a beating from your new black dad.

  5. A lot of this can be resolved with draconian welfare reform … I’ll post more later when I have a moment to spare

  6. Yes… But sincerely, you MUST BE REFERENCING Polish female after all is said and done.

    Which then puts my other comment exactly right here where it belongs.

    You are really tarring “white” American female WHEN only Polish females doing what you describe should really sting.

    So why aren’t you more particular?

    Why don’t you say that Polish females who abandon their polish children to negroes are the LOWEST OF THE LOWEST of gutter trash… Even obviously lower than American “white” females who do the same?

    Because you are alt-rite AND NOT wS.

  7. Relax, TD. I like American women. I wrote about them because I live here and I know their ‘sharks better than I know ones of other nationalities. Let’s not make it a back n forth.

    PS: the boy who inspired this post was American. I give a damn about kids like him.

  8. I can’t rest when high IQ European ethnics make war on white Supremacy with his subtle agit-prop quickly denied by a “Relax.”

    Change all the GENERIC reference to white female to POLISH female and you might be a little unsettled?

    But relax, you can do it… A version 2.0 for comparative analysis of dulled mass stimulation.

  9. PA….

    You can stick to your alt-rite version or pen a wS version truly inspired by that American white boy.

  10. “As liberalism ebbs, nationalism grows, political correctness crumbles, and men’s territorial instincts are awakened, society’s indulgent attitude toward interracial libertinism is not long for this world.”

    I disagree. Empirically speaking, i would readily wager that there will be significantly more across-the-board ‘mixing’ or racial and ethnic hybridization internationally ten years from now than there is today. I believe that will be the direct result of mainly European-created industrial and cultural technology advancements; to me, that is an obvious and humdrum prediction that any civic urban planner or marketer or whatever market-minded index would concur on. Along those lines, I would suggest that business investment research and its conclusions are a better indicator of that question than are social and political polemicist screeds, essays and movements; i.e., IOW: ‘following the money’ is a more trusted market indicator than is ‘political wish-listing.’

    I believe the above in a detached, empirical sense; as for my personal convictions, i don’t feel that inter-ethnic and interracial mixing in and of itself is a transgressive and sacrosanct line to cross, probably for obvious reasons having to do with my personal history and circumstance.; Still, I don’t see it in terms of my day-to-day ‘facts on the ground,’ and how they correspond with my day-to-day sociology encountered; in fact, in my town — speaking of ethnic white tangents a la PA and TD —– it is far and above a matter of specifically white German and Polish males who have intermarried with Hispanic females that has absolutely transformed my city’s south-side urban and suburban neighborhoods; it is a transformation that is damn-near complete when comparing this city from the late 70s to its present demographics, a solid generation and one-half measure.

    Personally, I’ve experienced enough racial frisson and controversy to understand how divisive and incendiary a topic this is. But in my social sphere, social class and other socio-economic factors greatly, absolutely, mitigate the purely racial and ethnic aspects of interracial romance and other personal-type bondings.

  11. Nikcrit…

    “We” don’t care if you’re numb. And the spergs and Aspie can’t lead the charge.

    Technologically-advanced mudsharking is still mudsharking.

    White boys raised by “black” males is criminal in this day of rage.

  12. Thor: “Nikcrit…We” don’t care if you’re numb. And the spergs and Aspie can’t lead the charge……Technologically-advanced mudsharking is still mudsharking.”

    Ok, I was just weighing in; and i figured it was obvious that some of my personal bona-fides greatly influenced my five-cents worth on the matter —– which i’m sure was no surprise to anyone who bothered to read my remark.

    But what’s with the Mike Cernovich book? Is your blog presence the last seven years going to turn out to be just one elaborate promotional pitch? “Cernovich: the radically autonomous Tony Robbins!”…lol

  13. nikcrit:

    Neil deGrasse Tyson as ‘deadpan’ comedian meets Cornel West as veteran aesthete.

    The possibilities!

  14. — absolutely transformed my city’s south-side urban and suburban neighborhoods; it is a transformation that is damn-near complete when comparing this city from the late 70s to its present demographics, a solid generation and one-half measure.

    Irrelevant. It’s been a migratory pattern elsewhere too. I remember Eastern Avenue in Baltimore being heavily Polish in 1982 and now it’s entirely Hispanic. Polish immigrants and their descendants now live in the suburbs and visit that area on Sunday to attend Polish-language mass and buy products at the ethnic deli. The handful of lower-status White male marriages to mestiza women are irrelevant too.

    — business investment research and its conclusions are a better indicator of that question than are social and political polemicist screeds

    The smart money had the USSR continuing into the 21st century, the UK staying, and Hillary winning. The thing to take seriously about good polemics is similar to what separates good art from bad art — its attunedness to human nature. That is its long-term predictive value.

    Smart money fails to explain this grandfather’s expression:

  15. “The thing to take seriously about polemics is similar to what separates good art from bad art — its attunedness to human nature. “

    It’s a matter pr degrees. and degrees slowly accrue and turn into life-changing epochs. We’ve discussed this beforre: you believe in a cultural norm that coincides with your personal sentimentality, therefore it must be resonant, foundational and manifest for all time.

    But I disagree for my own eminently reasonable reasons; right now, this perverse culture is leaning ‘my’ way —- but in time, when folk come to their senses, things will become more and more in tune with your way.

    Either way, neither of our personal conceits and the level of existential convenience they may provide have ANYTHING to do with our convictions, of course! ….. lol!!

  16. you believe in a cultural norm that coincides with your personal sentimentality — nikcrit on PA

    In my estimation PA does not come across as sentimental.

    The picture of the dour grandfather and his two kids is from somewhere in the Rust Belt, Pennsylvania or Ohio? His hat has a picture of an oil rig.

    All three those people are in a difficult position. Whichever way the culture is trending, there can be no doubt that it is awkward for them in that diner.

  17. I think it is a terrible position to put people in. It is kind of hard to even really ‘grapple’ with the topic, because all of its implications, on the social and personal level, are so profound.

    The point that White advocates make, is that ultimately the community pays for it. To the extent the community is transformed and in the transformation someone else gets some of the benefits — the White community loses. And it is a zero sum game. And on top of that, the zero-sum total benefits, of trust and cohesion, are decreased in a diverse community; as is well known.

    And what’s more, the White side of that equation is generally forgotten about anyways, and entirely left off of the ledger — overlooked in favor of the benefits of diversity.

    As a side observation, Grampa Cuck sure enough is stylishly dressed, what with the tilted cap and well-fit clothes, and solid brown and green color scheme. And so that is ironic in that he appears a well-established person and what did that get him (except a double dose or irony).

  18. “And what’s more, the White side of that equation is generally forgotten about anyways, and entirely left off of the ledger — overlooked in favor of the benefits of diversity.”

    It is NOT forgotten of course, the cost that Whites bear, in their suffering of diversity.

    In the Received Narrative the cost of diversity is overlooked fastidiously and relentlessly and they would have us forget it — but it is not forgotten and that is the current reactionary trend.

    And now we are crafting our own narrative.

  19. “All three those people are in a difficult position. Whichever way the culture is trending, there can be no doubt that it is awkward for them in that diner”

    Well, first of all, thank you for acknowledging some humanity and human agency amongst the cafe-au-lait grandkids, as they are technically speaking, the ones least culpable for the rainbow-realpolitik circumstance in ‘the fam;’ funny how that fact is rarely acknowledged in alt-right interracial deconstructions.

    But, secondly, I could see the sympathies reversed, with pity for gramps and joy and wonderment bestowed to those ‘lil rainbow-coalition angels.’ They don’t seem ‘tragic’ to me; actually, I think biracial kids are oft the subject of overly complimentary platitudes. and I don’t think that is compensatory — rather, some folks like PA see biracials as truly pitiable creatures and some see them as truly idealized figments and ideals. (that is one of the reasons i sometimes laugh when some alt-right commenter makes some disparaging remark about ‘mudshark babies at Walmart’ or whatever, as I bet more females, white and black, tend to romanticize rather than vilify their general opinion about the charm and beauty of biracial children. (What do you think, Lara, if anything at all on the matter?; we could use more female commenters here, eh?) Lol!

  20. “In my estimation PA does not come across as sentimental.”

    The point that was made in context of that discussion was this: PA’s theoretical position on interracial romance and progeny strongly coincided with his personal and emotional stake and feelings in the matter; i.e., that his thought-out ‘position’ was not at odds with his gut feeling about the subject.

    And if you are going to actually argue with me about that then, well, we might as well not bother continuing to discuss the subject, since there would be no evident truths for us to use as conversational touchstones.

  21. My theoretical position on setting puppies on fire strongly coincides with my personal and emotional stake and feelings in the matter.

    Funny how that works.

  22. Thank God, I don’t see arrangements like that here.

    There are, however, plenty of other interracial couples on the rise here, most notably: (1) White girls + Asian men, and (2) White men + African women.

    Boggles the mind.

  23. “My theoretical position on setting puppies on fire strongly coincides with my personal and emotional stake and feelings”

    Thanks for further exemplifying the point i was making: to you, that absurdity is an unspoken evident truth, one I’d agree with too.

    But that’s not always the case; to wit, your position on the peril of interracial relationship not that hard a ‘given’ across social lines of any particular order. To wit: while I could see you and, say, LBF, sitting in a bar and raising a glass to the television while that CNN bit on Joe Paul Franklin was broadcast, while ‘me and mine’ would only have to turn toward each otheMy theoretical position on setting puppies on fire strongly coincides with my personal and emotional stake and feelings and raise our mutual brows at each other to register the ‘creep factor’ we would feel upon coming across that interview; similarly, I know immature adolescents who ‘mudshark’ that would get physically sick looking at someone like Franklin, while to you and your comrades, he and other such figures are brave and uncompromised souls who put their money where their mouth is; LBF, in fact, has expressed violence fantasies numerous times here in which he fantasizes about doing what Franklin actually did.

    My point is that, nowadays, with forums like these, neither of us has to bother registering our disgust or agreement with said sentiments and allegiances; we just acknowledge it alongside some other mutually exchanged information, i.e., our respective tastes in pop music and television shows, etc,

  24. “(1) White girls + Asian men”

    FWIW, I almost never come across that pairing anecdotally; since I began commenting on blogs like this, i’ve took more notice, but whether here or Chicago, i rarely see Asian men and white females —– or any other females beside fellow Asians. I can think of ONE example among folks i know; a former copy editor who now lives in teh Bay area is divorced and has a half-asian kid.

  25. nikcrit: “…a matter of specifically white German and Polish males who have intermarried with Hispanic females that has absolutely transformed my city’s south-side urban and suburban neighborhoods…”

    Color me doubtful, nik. Far more likely than your (conveniently self-serving) explanation is something far simpler: what has transformed your neighborhood is white flight. That’s what does the trick in neighborhoods across the country: whites move out, or at least stop moving in, and gradually the area transforms from white to mixed, and then ultimately to non-white. This is the pattern that operates at scale, not mystical pairings of mestizas with “German and Polish males.” *rolls eyes*

    Maybe your area is a unicorn-like exception, but I rather doubt it.

    And yes, given that most racially conscious whites either leave or refuse to move into such areas, the white remnant does tend to engage in more miscegenation. Lots of single mothers, broken families and so forth – people who lack the resources to live in better (i.e. whiter) areas. The white victims of racial and cultural collapse make wonderful prey for the non-white swarms. Especially the girls. These are the poisonous fruits of White Genocide.

    But then, that sober reality isn’t conducive to your usual routine of the Nikcrit Miscegenation Soft Shoe, is it?

    nikcrit: “But in my social sphere…”

    Your “social sphere,” rather by definition, is of course accepting of you. Just as mine is accepting of me. So? The sorts of white women who would give you the time of day aren’t representative of the greater whole, and you’re vastly underestimating the importance of race in dating and mating choices. I’ve had more than a few black women throw themselves at me over the years, but I wouldn’t draw overly broad conclusions from that. Just saying.

    In any event, the bottom line is that we have fundamentally conflicting interests: you need the present system, which is destroying whites, to continue. A weak & deracinated white remnant is no threat to you. But you can’t bring yourself to admit this, because then the gig would be up. Truth is, I don’t even blame you for your position, but I find your self-interest-in-the-guise-of-being-the-reasonable-tragic-mulatto routine a bit much.

  26. trainspotter: you’re wrong about the working-class Polish and German population in Brewtown; names like :”Rosa Pozorski” and “Maria Kaeczmarek” are common here; and while I would guess that Germans are of a higher socio-economic rank in Milwaukee, Poles are not…

    “But you can’t bring yourself to admit this, because then the gig would be up. Truth is, I don’t even blame you for your position, but I find your self-interest-in-the-guise-of-being-the-reasonable-tragic-mulatto routine a bit much.”

    I’m sorry; i’m sure you think i’m being outrageously disingenuous, but i cannot convey to you hard enough how UNpersonal these discussions are to me; fwiw, please at least be mindful of this: I’m pushing 50; i’ve had many experiences; i’ve gained and i’ve lost —– but I fully own my successess and failures and have no interest in deluding myself or others about race and romance; i just do not care about that. My racial vulnerability, to the extent I carry a sentimentality, centers on the fact that, in my adolescence, i was somewhat cut off form ‘urban blackness’ and had a somewhat theoretical or contrived relationship to fellow blacks in my hometown; while I knew plenty of middle-class minorities and my family had a fairly elevated stature among working-class blacks, i was nonetheless alienated at times from black masses and at times that stung. So I revel in my current position of working amongst lower-middle-class minorities, which is more the ‘norm’ in my town; i feel the communion is good for my soul, yeah, but i don’t feel like i’m a naive or blind man in terms of analyzing and understanding my roots and current passions concerning race. I feel i can make an impression upon working-class blacks in a way that I couldn’t among white upper-middle-class peers who, like me, were bored but still competitive in our jobs and ambitions. How could i really impress and impart something valuable and needed to such peer-like crowd?

    You guys tend to reserve a analytical detachment and objectivity presumption for yourselves—– yet freely assume us NAMs are acting out our ids unabashedly; but here’s a newsflash: us primitives are capable of economic detachment too!

  27. Actually PA, I’d really like to meet a white boy with a mixer-mother and negro father.

    He would be a prime recruit. Many of our strongest members were white kids who grew up in mino hoods. Their hate for minos dwarfs even the most extreme nationalist.

  28. nikcrit: “…names like :”Rosa Pozorski” and “Maria Kaeczmarek” are common here…”

    Again, that’s a symptom of the disease, not the cause. You’re witnessing late-stage decay, but the causative factors that destroy white neighborhoods happen much further upstream. I seriously doubt the neighborhood in question is an exception to the rule, and would bet that census figures would show that such pairings had next to nothing to do with the community’s transformation. It almost certainly came down to white flight/non-white influx. A broken remnant of whites remain, and it’s entirely possible that this group has a higher rate of miscegenation. Broken communities don’t function well.

    nikcrit: “…but here’s a newsflash: us primitives are capable of economic detachment too!”

    Yet your “detachment” consistently results in your taking positions that favor your self-interest. In any event, I’ll give credit where it’s due: you’re more fair-minded than most and, for a primitive (had to do it), an interesting guy. But, and there’s always a but, you’re an interesting guy that – softly – seeks to undermine white interests. That’s a helluva lot more effective than DeShaun bellowing about ancient Nubian astronauts.

    And, for the record, I make no particular claim to detachment. I value loyalty, and I want what’s best for my people. I am very much “attached.”

    Therefore, White Nationalism.

  29. “(1) White girls + Asian men”

    FWIW, I almost never come across that pairing anecdotally;

    I see these configurations a lot. This afternoon, in fact, I saw a white soccer mom with her obviously hapa daughter at Starbucks. Usually it’s a cute blonde girl with a beta Asian male. Maybe it’s just a California thing? Maybe I’m so attuned to these kinds of things that I take notice of what others ignore or take for granted? It’s all about patterns.

  30. I see these configurations a lot. This afternoon, in fact, I saw a white soccer mom with her obviously hapa daughter at Starbucks. Usually it’s a cute blonde girl with a beta Asian male. Maybe it’s just a California thing? Maybe I’m so attuned to these kinds of things that I take notice of what others ignore or take for granted? It’s all about patterns.

    I’ve noticed this too. I’ve recently relocated to NoCal and on my excursions to the bay area have noted many AM-WF pairings, which are like unicorns back home where I’m from. I’ve also made some other big city “sexual marketplace” observations that nikcrit may cosign to.

    Anyway, I just love the mountain vistas and clean air of Northern Cali. It’s truly a special place and coming from the armpit of America, I can appreciate it all the more. I can understand now why PA has labelled this part of the country “Nova Europa.”

  31. PA: Didn’t you at one point have a sidebar with links to your graphic art? I can’t seem to find your aspirational US map.

  32. “…DeShaun bellowing about ancient Nubian astronauts.”

    Once tried to read Will Alexander’s “Mirach Speaks to His Grammatical Transparents.” I’ve got to say, it fit this bill. Basically a prolix hand job for the shaky idea that “…Islamic astronomers went far beyond Greek mathematical methods and provided essential tools for the creation of Western Renaissance astronomy.” No real ideas, but an unabashed attempt to undermine the Occident “further upstream” via an essentially extraterrestrial patois.

    Recommended just for encasement alongside any Henri Rousseau reproductions or pygmy-like Miró sculpture you may have collecting primitive dust in your reading room. Ancient Nubian astronauts walk among us; yes, they are tragic.

    https://www.amazon.com/Mirach-Speaks-His-Grammatical-Transparents/dp/0578084457

    “White girls + Asian men”

    Have noticed this pairing on occasion. I’d be lying if I said I never sifted along some enticing Asian rainforests here and there. But seeing the WF/AM is puzzling more than anything. A bit like seeing Roger Hayward’s ‘undecidable monument’ within a sanitized cave.

  33. –Yet your “detachment” consistently results in your taking positions that favor your self-interest. In any event, I’ll give credit where it’s due: you’re more fair-minded than most and, for a primitive (had to do it), an interesting guy. But, and there’s always a but, you’re an interesting guy that – softly – seeks to undermine white interests. (Trainspotter)

    That’s a good wrap-up. Every person will be analogous to someone who’s color-blind (in the clinical sense) to a portion of the visible light spectrum. A white liberal for example, fails to grok certain uniquely black impulses and wonders why they polar-bear him instead of that racist shitlord.

    The mulatto’s blind spot is two-fold. One, he can’t relate to our aversion to mixing — socially, genetically. Whites are spending quadrillions of dollars to self-segregate. He will take a woman at her word that mixed babies are cute… even thought we all know that women communicate in paradox.

    Secondly, the mulatto has the African fatalism and doesn’t understand that Whites are agentic — we change the things we don’t like. Trends don’t run to entropy with us.

    — Didn’t you at one point have a sidebar with links to your graphic art? (MGE)

    Yes. I took down the tab as it probably created expectations of professional-level graphic design. I do have an All Posts tab (under Menu in mobile view) where older posts can be searched by key words in their title and description.

  34. Biracial kids can be cute. As I’ve become more race aware, I tend to appreciate white children more. I think a lot of what kids people find cute come from their own preferences. Children grow up, so we do think of what adults they will eventually become.

  35. I’ve never meet a Mexican/Polish couple. I’m wondering if they fact they are both Catholic is why those couples are common near Nikcrit.

  36. Further: race-talk diminishes us unless we’re complaining about or making fun of other races, and even then only in small doses. It’s very different for blacks. I know their worldview from my Army days. It’s all RaceRaceRaceRacittyRace for them, all the time. Color, skin shade, degree of impurity.

    This is how a post that addresses a specific form of child abuse turned into a pointless debate on the finer points of blending shit.

    The US is a big country and one can cherry-pick any example of anything, including the one-off jeb bush-style marriage. But those cases serve well, I suppose, as reasons to bubble up in glee.

    Every young mammal is “cute” but only a sick fuck (or a non-White with existential angst) wants to see a baby lemur suckling on a white breast or sitting on a soul-crushed old man’s lap.

  37. I agree with the main point that bringing a black boyfriend into the picture when you have a white son is a bad idea. I can’t see myself ever doing that. Boys are territorial, and don’t like sharing their mothers with someone they don’t feel bonded to. It just creates bad feelings that could easily be avoided.

  38. — Northern Cali. It’s truly a special place and coming from the armpit of America (MGE)

    Beautiful part of the country. Aspirational Nova Europa indeed. In the late 1990s I drove from Victoria Island, BC to San Francisco, a trip that included included climbing to the top of Mt. St. Helen’s.

    — He would be a prime recruit. Many of our strongest members were white kids who grew up in mino hoods. (Ryu)

    The consolation of bad childhood: the possibility of smarter/woke adulthood.

    Unrelated: Allen West being in the news over an “islamophobic” FB post is a reminder to every Colored who wants to be more than just a brainless animal: the Obama coalition is not your friend.

  39. Mea culpa: while i stand by my convictions in recent debatable topics here, i apologize for my syntax and grammar re. comments last night; I neglected to follow a common blog-engagement rule: never comment while A) drinking and while on B) mobile media, but by no means ever should you try do while C) drinking AND writing comments while using mobile media!

  40. I think Nikcrit’s well adjusted attitude about being mixed race is due to having a good relationship with his father. I imagine a mixed race boy, who has no relationship with his father, would find self acceptance much harder.

  41. you believe in a cultural norm that coincides with your personal sentimentality — nikcrit on PA

    I have to insist on this point.

    Here is the definition of sentimental from merriam webster online,

    1. a) marked or governed by feeling, sensibility, or emotional idealism
    b) resulting from feeling rather than reason or thought

    2. having an excess of sentiment or sensibility

    The aversion that Whites have for rest-mixing is sentimental in the first sense meaning of the word, which sense of meaning is conceded.

    But the aversion that Whites have for race-mixing is NOT sentimental in the second sense.

    And it is the second sense of the meaning that is more generally used conversationally, and implied in the context of nikcrit’s statement above.

    No, nikcrit — there is nothing “sentimental” about aversion with race-mixing. The aversion is based on reason and hard-headed calculations about what is best for the community and ourselves.

    On the contrary, sentimentality would lead to one to say Oh look at the little kids!

    Sentimentality is the liberal’s stock-in-trade. In its more common colloquial sense it is not the domain of the race-realist. The race-realist is battling against sentimentality.

    Sentimentality is the r-selected rabbit’s plea to get along. Sentimentality is for the weak and for the women.

    *****************

    Interestingly though, the fissure in those two senses of its meaning, is a fault line for many of the problems we have as a culture, in regards to our values. Zen and the Art etc etc blah blah blah.

    Who is to say, that what point is sentiment excessive? In a culture where no sentiment is allowed, say in Nazi Germany, some moderate sentimentality might be begged to the conference table.

    But in the Current Year we got quite enough sentimentality thank you very much.

  42. I agree with the main point that bringing a black boyfriend into the picture when you have a white son is a bad idea.

    LOL @ “bad idea”…yes, as in “positively life-threatening”!

    Too funny.

  43. I’ve recently relocated to NoCal

    Very cool! Good to hear. I’ve made a few trips to SF in the last couple of years, two of them by car. Agreed, a beautiful part of the country. I also like the Central Coast around Cambria.

  44. you believe in a cultural norm that coincides with your personal sentimentality

    And you believe in the existence of race-mixing in far bigger proportions than proven data suggests due to you own “personal sentimentality.” But that’s ok – it just means that you like yourself and no one here would fault you for that, even though we kinda laugh at your suggestion of all of the Julio Janikowskis populating the streets of Milwaukee.

  45. elk,
    You get too obsessed with winning an argument —- or ‘non-arugment’ in this case; whatever our rhetorical use of ‘sentimentality,’ there is nothing hard-to-understand in my simple explanation of our discussion upthread; i merely meant that his practical argument coincided with his personal feelings ‘against-and-about’ race mixing.

    So please stop splitting hairs for the sake of a unnecessary argument; if it makes you feel better, ‘you win.’ But the simple point needed was made by me upthread.

  46. With regard to Northern California, few WNs seems to know that that branded and chained white wife was a hate crime victim, Sherri Papini.

    System sources and the police have censored this aspect. She was captured by 2 spic women and kept for a few weeks.

    Northern Cali may look pretty, but is not full of WNs. April Gaede’s family became outcasts there. The farms are full of beaners. And, Sherri getting tortured by mino women; the police won’t solve that one.

  47. I immediately thought Papini made the story up. I could be wrong. We’ll see.

    Too many potheads in Northern CA, OR, WA. Plus, the architecture seems way ‘off’ to me.

    Central Coast might be more amenable to WNs. I’ve spent some time in the Paso Robles region (inland from Morro Bay)–a great place to take girlfriends who like wine– and have always been surprised at how white the area is. The town of Atascadero sticks out in this regard.

  48. elk,
    You get too obsessed with winning an argument —- or ‘non-arugment’ in this case; whatever our rhetorical use of ‘sentimentality,’ there is nothing hard-to-understand in my simple explanation of our discussion upthread; i merely meant that his practical argument coincided with his personal feelings ‘against-and-about’ race mixing.

    And you get too obsessed with missing the point.

    Everything that gets said, is NOT about what you said.

    If you had more sense, you would see it as a compliment that your statement was used as a platform to say something else.

    But by all means go ahead and keep relating everything back to you and what you said, and thereby be an example of narcissism — good job old boy, i see some things never change.

  49. April Gaede’s family became outcasts there

    April was a frequent and very sensible commenter on the now-dormant MWIR blog. Much ado was made of her daughters saying something pro-multicult once they got to college, given that women (and most people really) will say whatever to just get along. It doesn’t reflect their actual thoughts or life-direction.

    I also noticed the Tragedy (or paradox) of Whitopias. A blessing of my corner of Mordor is the robust White redneck working and middle class with no illusions about diversity.

    It would be weird for me to live in an area where Whites vote heavily Democratic. Sexual dimorphism suffers there too, judging by my admittedly limited information: waifish men, butch women.

  50. So please stop splitting hairs for the sake of a unnecessary argument; if it makes you feel better, ‘you win.’ But the simple point needed was made by me upthread.

    Since you bring up my feelings: It doesn’t make me feel better to “win”, it makes me feel better to make my point, which is about how BOTH feeling AND reason have their place in forming the value judgments that we make on the topic at hand which is race mixing.

    It is totally NOT an unnecessary argument. Our aspersion to race mixing is reasoned and thought out, calling it “sentimental” implies that it is based entirely on emotion — when that is not the case.

    So thanks Nik for providing the motivation to clarify that.

  51. I’m not really interested in the Sheri Papini case, and don’t know much about it. However, my gut instinct would be to trust the police on this one.

  52. “Plus, the architecture seems way ‘off’ to me.”

    yes, I once accepted a travel-expense-paid three-day visit to the Santa Rosa paper to interview for a arts reporter job, and I was struck by the very Spanish, So-Cal-type housing and buliding styles; by my limited perspective, the decor seemed much more L.A.-like than Bay-like, sans any Victorian style stuff; the whole vineyard thing seemed like it was a Spanish-style acreage and housing—– and the area i was in was only 50 or so miles from San Francisco.

  53. “Our aspersion to race mixing is reasoned and thought out, calling it “sentimental” implies that it is based entirely on emotion — when that is not the case.”

    Hmmm. A spirited and impassioned pro-white defense from a guy who on race blogs past boasted (or is it now ‘admitted’) to screwing female Somalian immigrants because of a economic-to-ethnicity mating imbalance. 🙂

  54. MGE: “Northern Cali. It’s truly a special place and coming from the armpit of America.”

    No doubt No. Cal is beautiful terrain, but you know what, my fellow Rustbelt bud? I’d still take what you foolishly call ‘the armpit of America’ over flaky Bay-area splendor anyday. Norothern California is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live there…

  55. Re. Pole-vs-Latino immigration patterns in Brewtown@PA, Trainspotter, et.al who’s interested…

    Hey, here’s a story that my back-n-forth with Trainspotter inspired me to look up; turns out we were both somewhat correct and somewhat under-informed when forming our counterarguments about whites-vs-Latinos and their, umm, “amalgamatings,’ one might say..

    To me, this is interesting stuff; i take this historical overlay and tend to apply it to my day-to-day nine-to-five.

    I probably sometimes forget that the average joe, even the average Milwaukeean, isn’t going to see as many anecdotal examples and counter-examples as am I on a ROUTINE basis.

    To wit: my statement yesterday about all the figurative ‘Rosa Pozorskis?’ the school I’m at today personifies that modern historical tangent; still, it may not be the norm at another school a mere five miles from here…. So, the impassioned debate rages on and on and on…

    http://archive.jsonline.com/news/opinion/milwaukees-historic-south-side-poles-then-latinos-now-b9965192z1-218125601.html

  56. @ Trickin – white/mestizo mixing is going to be highest in the Southwest USA or South Florida, where those populations have lived side-by-side for many generations, and where the brighter Latinos of Mexican/S American origin have had time to improve towards the middle class a bit $$ economically as well as learn English.

    Recent border jumpers who’ve settled in gentrifying areas of rust belt cities over the last 20 years will probably tend to keep to themselves for fear of getting deported and because of the language barrier, but their 2nd generation will assimilate somewhat better.

  57. That article on Milwaukee is nothing new. Whites with school-aged kids have been fleeing cities since Urban Renewal of the 1950s (see E. Michael Jones “The Slaughter of the Cities”), desegregation, black riots of the late 1960s, and bussing. Euro immigrant communities haven’t been replenished with continued immigration and nth generation ethnics moved out to the suburbs. The author is putting an unconvincing happy-face on ethnic cleansing.

  58. I was struck by the very Spanish, So-Cal-type housing and buliding styles

    Well, remember that Northern California was still part of the Spanish Empire at one time and populated by Spaniards and Californios.

    Personally, I’m most partial to the Spanish Colonial, Mediterranean, Tuscan, and Coastal architectural styles. I love stucco-and-Spanish tiles and adobe styles.

    What I saw a lot of in Northern CA, esp around SF, was just ugly, plain, box-like structures. Even the Victorian style leaves me cold.

  59. “…race-talk diminishes us unless we’re complaining about or making fun of other races, and even then only in small doses.”

    Yeah. It’s royally mistaking the map for the territory. Imagine a highly gifted architect focusing only on obtaining top-quality paper for his plans. Nothing gets built. He pisses his potential away on vellum & pulp. Race-talk diminishes the Race Walk, which ideally shouldn’t even need much in the way of verbal reinforcement. Walk-in menus vs. actual full-course dinners, etc.

  60. PS: Nikcrit, I deleted my rebuke to you… sorry, I think I originally misread the tone of your comment.

    I’d like to offer a rebuke if he thinks that article proves his “Ernesto Kowalski” claim about actual mixing between the pre-ethnic cleansing whites who were already there in urban Milwaukee and the incoming waves of wetbacks who recently swam across the Rio Grande and can’t speak English and don’t have a pot to piss in.

    Whites with children are the first to flee during white flight. The last to leave are the oldest whites who are on a fixed income and who have the longest, deepest roots to that neighborhood, but they’re not of marrying age.

  61. Nikcrit is a self-annihilator. So to the extent that he thinks according to his self-interest, it is in the manner of perpetuating his self-annihilation, i.e., extending the time to his Final Liberation. Of course, there are now “standard” mechanisms of perpetuating self-annihilation. The sum total of these mechanisms being the poly-tricks that is “Liberalism.”

    More succinctly, the West now exists collectively as the “mind” of the homosexual.

    Self-creation being his grand delusion.

    And Final Liberation as his real conclusion.

    Total self-annihilation is the “Western” ethos now CONTRA genuine white Supremacy.

    Nikcrit tizz butt a mere turdling.

  62. — I’d like to offer a rebuke if he thinks that article proves his “Ernesto Kowalski” claim about actual mixing

    In the end, I think Nikcrit just wanted to forward a past-meets-present article about a city… as far as I can tell, he dropped the Jorge Brzęczyszczykiewicz myth.

    As to ethnic festivals as described in the article, I see the same in Baltimore: all kinds of crowds attend the Latin, Polish, Greek, Ukrainian festivals. Local SWPLs, assimilated Poles/Greeks or what will you, some recent immigrant Whites, some local Blacks, and Hispanics. The groups don’t mingle at all.

    Extending the picture, urban White American SWPLs with preschool-aged kids or young couples with dogs keep to one side of the park, Hispanics to another. Same with adult soccer, softball, etc in Baltimore: from what I see, groups keep to themselves at league level.

    To go on a tangent, I see a White flight from youth soccer around here, where there had before been somewhat integrated US/Hispanic leagues. One complaint I heard was ridiculously biased Hispanic refs. White young boys here play lacrosse, a great and fun to watch sport.

  63. In the Hegelian dialectic white flight would invoke white fight with absolute separation being a synthesis ABLE TO BE GRASPED by a DULL (white) mass.

    As it goes, separation IS INCONCEIVABLE at the LEVEL OF HIGH IQ and “fight” is relegated to a smidgen of the “dull” white mass.

    So it be… Alt-rite EXCLUSIVELY AUTHORING white flight into the Narrative under the guise of pointing out reality.

    So the “game” is self-fulfilling profitcy.

  64. The groups don’t mingle at all.

    Extending the picture, urban White American SWPLs with preschool-aged kids or young couples with dogs keep to one side of the park, Hispanics to another.

    Park usage is a huge issue.

    Large groups of blacks at a park inevitably means loud, amplified and profane rap (even in front of grandma) and impromptu cookout equipment, plus maybe some dice and basketball games, twerking… you name it.

    Hispanics means mobs upon mobs of roving kids and an insane amount of trash left everywhere, with no will to clean it up afterwards. The poorest recent Hispanic immigrants
    take up as much of a park as possible without the slightest bit of shame or moderation, maybe because they live in such crowded living quarters and it’s their only chance to unravel and have some space. Texas or Florida would have better mannered Hispanics who might be closer to middle class or lower middle class.

  65. “White young boys here play lacrosse, a great and fun to watch sport.”

    A guy who served as a summerlong mentor to me while i started grad school wrote a feature on LaCrosse for newyorker mag; the thrust? LaCrosse is a native-American-originated sport, if i’m remembering correctly.

    On the whole Rosa Pozorski thing: it’s prevalent within Nikcrit’s reach; idk; i see a very distinct look on my city’s south-side, one i find quite charming; that sort-of open, symmetrically aligned but innocently open ‘Polish’ female look combined, hybridized with a seductive Latin charms things, etc. …… whatever; i’m sure you don’t want to hear this dusky halfbreed’s elaborations on a certain hybrid-ethnic eroticism, but it’s out there, it’s widely alluded to and it’s ok with me—- yet i freely admit i don’t have its demographic stats in hand.

    I would readily agree that much of the former south-side urban polish population now moved deeper south into areas like Oak Creek, Franklin and Franksville; here in brewtown, the southern suburbs are working-class whites who ‘moved on up…’; to the west, are the Goy and Catholic ‘burbs like Wauwatosa and Brookfield which vote consistently and uniformly ‘red’; to the north, my social incubator of childhood, are the northern suburbs along Lake Michigan, a la Fox Point, Bayside, River Hills, etc., in which these most affluent metro burbs vote consistently blue —– because, of course, of those ‘you-know-whose!” …lol!!

  66. LaCrosse is a native-American-originated sport, if i’m remembering correctly.

    Jim Thorpe played, Jim Brown (NFL) was an all-American at Syracuse and still regarded as an all-time great.

    My nephew’s high school in NC finally started a lacrosse team, it took a really long time to move South of the Richmond/Washington DC area. I wish I coulda tried it.

  67. “it took a really long time to move South of the Richmond/Washington DC area”

    That’s surprising to hear. Duke University is a LAX powerhouse.

  68. One complaint I heard was ridiculously biased Hispanic refs

    Why is that so easy to believe?

    I recall from my junior high school days, when the traveling soccer teams had an influx of Hispanic immigrant talent, which guys qualified for the age-bracket teams based on their purported age.

    For under-12 and under-14 leagues, whatever, and they would be 14 or 15. A couple of these guys matriculated into our school, in junior high, and they were a couple years older. It was pretty weird because at the time we (kids) sort of knew but because most everyone was lost in his own problems, they weren’t called out.

    As for the parents and the coaches who let them get away with that, what was their excuse? And that is a real complaint against the authority figures who ought to have not let them get away with that. It is another example of the local people, the local adults involved in the scene, not exercising judgment and wisdom, and getting rolled by institutional and establishment pressure.

    I supposed the coaches in question were willing to use those kids to their advantage, but then the other coaches would have been in a position.

  69. The Culture of Youth Sports was THE community culture around here, and every last town and city throughout the land.

    The Cult of the Athlete, as i have called it before.

    That is what it was. Perhaps that is still what it is. Kids’ reputations would precede them for years, and their families and older brothers, and then suddenly it was junior high school and we got to see who was who.

    (I did not have the makings of a varsity athlete, as it turned out.)

    But the local kids who were the best athletes were the stuff of legend. We heard about them for years.

    I don’t know where i was going with this. But that culture of youth sports was the entirety of the community network, during those decades of the 70s and 80s. That was where the successful and social families congregated. For the future geeks there was the boy scouts and there was the vast subset of regular people who did not excel in sports and found other ways to differentiate themselves. Or not.

    I always wanted to be an athlete. Like every good boy does find, it broke my heart that no matter how hard i tried i could not compete against those of whom went on to become the varsity players in the premiere sports, which in my high school were basketball and hockey.

    I don’t care about doxxing myself, so i can say this fact, that when i graduated in the 80s from “my” public high school, this high school would have had the most combined state championships at those two prestigious sports. Which is a remarkable and verifiable fact. I haven’t checked it, but at that time this school where i still live had 3 or 4 state championships in both of those sports.

    The second tier sports would have been downhill skiing and wrestling (oddly enough) and soccer, and then after that gold tennis and swimming, and then after that every thing else. And then after that, band. And then after that, chess club. And then after that, the late afternoon masturbation society. And then after that, the suicide club. And then after that, the mentally ill kids who couldn’t even make it to high school in the first place. Oh don’t worry there is a place for everyone!

    The best cartoon, back before memes became the domain of the internet, and cartoons were the most intelligent humor around, was by Groening called the 88 Types of High School Student (or How do you rate?) or something to that effect, from his book School is Hell.

  70. Yeah i just went there. I was thinking about Lacrosse — the sport, not the city in Wisconsin from which Ashton Kuchter hails — and how, as previously noted, it is now a very premiere sport. In this area it would be top two or three, along with hockey and basketball. Around here it probably would have supplanted basketball, but on the other hand basketball has its own place at the top from which it will never be knocked down. I think among real athletes they will contend that basketball is the best sport.

    But in any case a lot of the talent is now in lacrosse. It would be interesting to hear what the kids themselves have to say about that. About how their athletic careers have changed course, but i have always found that the kids themselves can’t shed light on it because they don’t have the perspective. (They just want to know why that old man is such a devoted fan of high school sports.)

  71. “Texas or Florida would have better mannered Hispanics…”

    They’ll nonchalantly blare Mariachi tunes from unregistered vans while monopolizing lakeside picnic areas in TX; peddle defiled blow from rented Tahoes around the clock in The Sunshine State. The intermittent winners found in that bunch are true family men, which somewhat counters their incredible alcohol tolerance that is put to test daily.

  72. The outskirts of San Francisco looked slum like to me. Many of the Victorian houses in San Francisco were beautiful, though.

  73. The best lacrosse players I’ve met were boy scoutish whites. Football was where it was at. Who will invent another sport?

  74. I had a 1955 Topps All American Jim Thorpe card probably a grade 9-9.5 (super rare) that was stolen in broad daylight at the parking lot of a Dave and Buster’s while celebrating my brother’s thirtieth birthday just three weeks after the birth of my third child. It was hard times and that card I’d kept mint for twenty two years was a part of a rain day collection that included some the greatest athletes of all time.

    I hate those niggers for what they did to my mint Jim Thorpe and all those all great athletes of lore. Fuggin’ “athleticists”

  75. Duke students don’t come from the South. They are generally upper-crust Northeastern kids who just miss out on getting into the Ivies. I think only around 10-20% of Duke students are from south of VA.

    A common sports heckle we used to put on the Duke sports teams used to be “go back to Joy-zeeee, Dookies.”

  76. nikcrit: “…turns out we were both somewhat correct and somewhat under-informed…”

    Dude, are you posting while drinking again? The article that you cited confirms – exactly – what I predicted to be the case: white flight/massive mestizo influx. There’s no “somewhat” about it. You’re just flat wrong.

    I’m afraid that you’ll have to come up with another Miscegenation Soft Sell. This one’s a bust.

  77. Parks: Hispanics have taken over the state park system around Mordor but they are easy to avoid because they cluster at grill/picnic spots close to the main parking lot. I don’t mind their music so much if it’s mariachi or 80s-style ballads in Spanish, can’t stand reggaeton. It’s the unholy ubiquitous obesity of their women and children that makes the sight of them repellent. Under-ten year old boys have full-size beer guts and the girls in their swimsuits and waves of fat… Diabetes will ravage our invitee-conquerors.

    So it’s easy enough to find a more distant spot on the other side of the lake and just be around Whites. But a question nags: why am I the one who has to look for a different spot? It’s my fucking country, not theirs. They all have to go home.

    As far as local parks go, as I noted in the TNB post, we know where to go to avoid diversity. A finely-honed skill.

  78. “He would be a prime recruit. Many of our strongest members were white kids who grew up in mino hoods.” (Ryu)

    I believe it. One off my old college friends was raised in Upper Manhattan, near Harlem. His parents were Marxist hippies who sent him off to the local public schools where he was one of the only white pupils. Needless to say, he was bullied and tormented relentlessly. The experience left him with an intense hatred of blacks and Puerto Ricans. After school he moved to the whitest area of New England.

    “Northern Cali. It’s truly a special place and coming from the armpit of America” (MGE)

    Hear, hear! Not too long ago my father and I spent a couple days fishing the West Walker River. The air up there is crisp and refreshing, and we caught some beautiful rainbow trout. I’ve been to 47 states, and I still like California the best.

    “I also like the Central Coast around Cambria.” (Laguna Beach Fogey)

    I agree. San Luis Obispo is where I would move to if I didn’t already have roots up here.

    “yes, I once accepted a travel-expense-paid three-day visit to the Santa Rosa paper to interview for a arts reporter job, and I was struck by the very Spanish, So-Cal-type housing and buliding styles; by my limited perspective, the decor seemed much more L.A.-like than Bay-like, sans any Victorian style stuff; the whole vineyard thing seemed like it was a Spanish-style acreage and housing—– and the area i was in was only 50 or so miles from San Francisco.” (nikcrit)

    Santa Rosa is the most charmless city in wine country. Most of it looks like a nondescript part of Los Angeles. The exception is the area where Minnesota transplant Charles M. Schulz lived. That area is lovely. Mark Felt aka “Deep Throat” also lived in Santa Rosa.

    If you had ventured into nearby towns such as Healdsburg, Bodega Bay, Glen Ellen, Calistoga, St. Helena, or Yountville you might have a different perspective.

    “It would be weird for me to live in an area where Whites vote heavily Democratic. Sexual dimorphism suffers there too, judging by my admittedly limited information: waifish men, butch women.” (PA)

    I agree with this. It is one of my biggest pet peeves about NorCal. Still, you would be surprised by some of the people here. For example, until recently downtown Petaluma had a honky tonk bar with a mechanical bull. The same downtown Petaluma where American Graffiti was filmed. There are still areas that look like they are stuck in the 1950s. It’s much easier to be a high trust liberal when you live in that kind of place.

    “Well, remember that Northern California was still part of the Spanish Empire at one time and populated by Spaniards and Californios.

    Personally, I’m most partial to the Spanish Colonial, Mediterranean, Tuscan, and Coastal architectural styles. I love stucco-and-Spanish tiles and adobe styles.

    What I saw a lot of in Northern CA, esp around SF, was just ugly, plain, box-like structures. Even the Victorian style leaves me cold.” (Laguna Beach Fogey)

    “The outskirts of San Francisco looked slum like to me. Many of the Victorian houses in San Francisco were beautiful, though.” (Lara)

    Yes, the Bear Flag Revolt, in which California was declared to be independent of Mexico, occurred in the town of Sonoma. Sonoma is one of the 21 locations where the Franciscans built Spanish Missions. Any of those towns will have a section featuring the Spanish Colonial architecture you are referring to.

    The song “Little Boxes” was written about Daly City, an utterly charmless suburb south of San Francisco. Many of the suburbs in the South and East Bay have that ticky-tacky slum look to them. On the other hand, many years ago I worked for a swimming pool company that serviced Marin County. I saw some astonishingly beautiful homes during my time there.

    Well, this comment is probably long enough as it is. Cheers, everyone!

  79. “So it’s easy enough to find a more distant spot on the other side of the lake and just be around Whites. But a question nags: why am I the one who has to look for a different spot? It’s my fucking country, not theirs.”

    I know that elk is the other regular here who often comments here about the ethnic infringement of public space; i try to understand or even empathize with some of your screeds on this topic, but i just can’t summon instances of genuine conviction of complaint; perhaps it’s a family thing, but i don’t really seek out compatible social space; rather, i just offer and hope to receive a sort-of unspoken mutual respect in terms of casual and happenstance social recreation space….

    The most specific memories i had was in the middle years of my pop critic days, in which i was attending 70 to 100-plus concerts every year; my likes and peeves didn’t really break down along racial lines, but certain genres that annoyed me did in fact have strong racial corollaries: hands down, most annoying to my natural temperament was having to drive out to the regional ‘ampitheater’ to see those mega jam-rock shows, a la Phish, and the endless incarnations of the Grateful Dead bandwagon, a la “Furthur,” ‘Ratdog,’ and endless incarnations of the Garcia-posthumous GD, with everyone from Warren Haynes to Bruce Hornsby —- Bruce-fuckin’-Hornsby—– fronting the charade; the combination of the travel to these outlying-area venues, the stupid quasi-hippie trappings and attitudes (for instance, at a Furthur festival the refreshment area featured a PSA-like booth and exhibit running down the public-health perils of fast-food hamburgers) and just the overall insipid dopey egalitarian vibe that prevailed at these events; next in line, were fringe metal shows, where i’d be at shows by niche acts like Cannibal Corpse and was often the only NAM in attendance.

    As far as fellow-ethnic events, I guess you could say that, even if i was a bit beyond the demo and jaded as fuck, i didn’t mind rap shows, while i can imagine commenters here at this blog would’ve been hatin’ hard on some of the memories i’m summoning this instant:

    In any case, it’s the variation of pop-music genre that is about the only thing that gets me thinking racially specific in terms of shared social space.

    Nowadays, a jazz showcase in a smoke-free and relatively plush seating venue is all that can lure this old boy in terms of live music: say, Nicholas Payton’s new trio, or perhaps a Brad Mehldau solo set can coax me out my shell. But beyond that? F-it!

  80. “There’s no “somewhat” about it. You’re just flat wrong.”

    Really? I know the author of that piece; have known him for more than 20 years; he casually agrees with my interpretation and has advanced it at times himself; in fact, i’m pretty sure that he has some nieces and nephews with Hispanic blood.

    Maybe it’s what PA says in that those only casually involved or interested, or personally tethered to a particular aspect of the polemic (i.e., such as myself and my heritage) tend to view it in ways subordinate to that predominance, etc.; i.e., in my case, Hispanic admixture with white or black racial mixture is nothing to either dread or exalt; to me, it’s just sort-of aesthetically interesting and often pleasing (I know you don’t share that view). In any case, I’m not inclined to feel some hard denial of anything here; but as absurd as the hypothetical is, i’d rather be myself or mate with a Polish-Hispanic hybrid than I would a ‘pure’ Pole; i’m not dreading or looking to disprove anything specific right out of the gate, like you are (but which I readily acknowledge is your right to do, etc.)

  81. “If you had ventured into nearby towns…”

    I have some family that live somewhat quiet lives in Sebastopol (a close shot to Santa Rosa). A great visit. But Oregon’s coastline can be mighty fine livin’, and less surveyed by pot-growing flâneurs and halfway-hippies. The Bodega Bays, the Big Surs of tomorrow will be on the OR shore.

  82. Btw, our President-Elect’s ‘Thank You Tour” (AKA “The Perpetual Self-Admiration Tour”) made it to my humble flyover hamlet today, stopping in a town that’s about 20 miles from downtown.

    Trump was up early this morning, after naming a few more cabinet members and conferring with his future Minister of Youth Communications:

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/entertainment/2016/12/13/kanye-west-trump-tower-nr.cnn

    (Chuck D was apparently uninterested in the position)

  83. nikcrit: “I know the author of that piece; have known him for more than 20 years; he casually agrees with my interpretation…”

    The piece that you cited focused on massive demographic change – the prior Polish community has largely moved on, a massive mestizo influx has replaced it.

    From the article: “The landscape of my childhood and early adult years has been utterly transformed. Although the landmarks are still there, the group that built them has moved on.”

    Another quote: “In 2010, Latinos made up more than 70% of the Historic South Side’s population, and African-Americans constituted another 11%. The relative handful of Polish Americans who remain are older adults too deeply rooted or too poor to move.”

    All of which is exactly, precisely as I predicted. How much plainer can this be? Do you also deny that 2+2=4 and the sky is blue? Answer: you would if it suited you. When caught in your lie, you simply double down with lies that are more shameless still. Now you have the gall to claim that the writer in question secretly believes your position: that the real cause of the transformation was Polish & German men marrying mestizas. Apparently, he confides in you that he lied in the article. White flight didn’t happen, there was no mestizo influx (except for imported brides, of course), and 2+2=5.

    Dude…come on. This is so far beyond ludicrous that you’ve lost all credibility for future claims. Why you would make such ridiculous, easily disprovable claims in the first place is beyond me.

    Note: It’s always genuinely baffled me when people proudly post “evidence” that utterly, unequivocally destroys their own argument (and their own credibility) – yet have no sense whatsoever as to what they’ve done. Almost all of the people that I’ve seen do so have been black, though blacks make up a small minority of the people I’ve debated. Make of this what you will, but I’ll tell you what I make of it:

    “Therefore, White Nationalism.”

  84. “Why you would make such ridiculous, easily disprovable claims in the first place is beyond me.”

    It’s because I’m not scrutinizing the claims with palpable desperation, like you are. I’m not lying about anything; the first thing i said in my last comment was that perhaps i was wrong and that maybe i was doing what PA once suggested: casually seeing social patterns in accord with what we’re biased toward and/or seeing atypical, outlier patterns more prominently than they are precisely because they’re so relatively different, etc.

    Trainspotter, read what I say or outright concede before you go on attack and call me a ‘liar.’ lol..And it’s not surprising that the author still casually agrees with me; probably because polish-hispanic admixture became evident in his personal life, even if in fact that, as a trend, doesn’t coincide with the eventual thrust of his article.

    I didn’t even re-read that article before posting it; I, knowing what he’s told me personally in casual conversation, simpliy posted it, presuming it would confirm those conversational convictions. But they didn’t —– so perhaps learn to be a more gracious debate victor, at least for this round!

  85. How was the security next to Trump?

    I have seen how the police presence ramps up when POTUS is in town. I had never seen so many cops in my life. They were at every corner, 2 or three of them. There were two helicopters circling the area for hours before the event.

  86. Nikcrit: “And it’s not surprising that the author still casually agrees with me…”

    So you still claim this nonsense as being accurate? And you still pretend that the writer lied in his article, but secretly agrees with you? I suppose the census data is faked, too? Apparently, you just can’t help yourself.

  87. “And you still pretend that the writer lied in his article, but secretly agrees with you?”

    No, i don’t believe he lied; but, yes, his casual words to me contradict his article —- but i easily believe anecdotal serendipity could go ‘against’ the thrust of that article. Lol! What is so overwhelmingly outrageous here? I’m conceding your point to you; i didn’t even re-read that article i posted, assuming that it’s Pole-to-Hispo-on-the-south-side headline or title would contain what i recall him casually discussing and would confirm my point —– but it didn’t! So, rejoice!
    And I never said or ‘pretended;’ that the writer in question here lied! I know him and he is a stand-up guy in every way imaginable! It’s in no way outrageous for his casual, anecdotal reflections to contradict the larger trend suggested in his story; I conceded your point and my being wrong in this instance —– but you keep pushing for some kind of complete absolution that is neither necessary nor forthcoming.

    Personally, I think Hispanics today are in the immigration-pattern-mode that Italians and Poles were in during, say, the early 1950s; still ghettoized but slowly but surely moving toward mainstream status; to me, there’s an irony in that, say, Italians and Poles are to this day distinguished from ‘full-stature’ whites, a la Anglo-Saxon and WASPs, and relegated into a lesser-perceived social tier that is very similar to the one that Hispanics are consigned to today. Yet they persist in demanding a social hierarchy that may ultimately limit their very stature, contradicting its own theoretical racial criteria.

    Either way, Trainspotter, trust that I’m not out to undermine white people.

  88. Yeah, because Antonin Scalia was regulated to a lesser tier than I am, due to my Anglo genetics. If ethnic Americans want immigration restricted, it is probably because they don’t want to live in a crowded, poor country.

  89. — so perhaps learn to be a more gracious debate victor, at least for this round!

    Elk and Trainspotter took you to task and didn’t let you slink away after you made unsupportable claims.

    We went thru many kilobytes of comments yesterday over nothing — to once again negate your claim of mass-mestization of old-stock Catholic communities. And there I thought Camlost debunked this for good months ago.

    You know how women ask themselves “do these pants make my ass look fat?” Men with certain proclivities should ask themselves “does this poke-and-retreat comment draft make me sound like a gamma?”

  90. — I have seen how the police presence ramps up when POTUS is in town. I had never seen so many cops in my life (Ryu)

    Having worked in DC I’ve seen several presidential motorcades. Its like you describe it.

  91. mass-mestization of old-stock Catholic communities.

    A lot of the illegal immigration of the last 20 years has gone far beyond Mestizos (those of some European blood) to Indios – short, squat, dark and of full native ethnicity. They usually have 3-4 kids by age 25, and their kids have massive obesity problems because poor Hispanic mothers think that food overage = healthiness.

    Some of those Indio native Mexicans come to the USA and are actually illiterate in Spanish, because they never attended school past 2nd grade level and grew up in some area where a pre-literative Native Mexican language was spoken. (like Oaxaca)

    If you’ve ever taken a vacation in Cancun (Southern Mexico) you will notice that the people there look more like the short little natives in the move Apocalypto than they do Erik Estrada. And Indio women aren’t the tall, thin Penelope Cruz types of a prolish Polishman’s sexual dreams, they’re more of the muffin top variety like this:

  92. ““does this poke-and-retreat comment draft make me sound like a gamma?”

    Not sure of what Gamma rank entails. Not sure if south-side Poles here were case of ‘white-flight’ or ‘white-replacement’

    As for the sting or, ummm, ‘non-alpha-ness” of being labeled ‘Gamma?’ You alabaster fellas perhaps forget: When you’re a NAM who’s over-35, childless, own a car and a home and have never been incarcerated, then the world is your oyster!

    It’s not fair, I occupy rarefied NAM air!

    —————————————————————————————————————

    re. Trump; i just watched a local news broadcast about how the local police detail was massively pumped up for Sir Donald’s visit here to flyover country yesterday.

  93. “Yeah, because Antonin Scalia was regulated to a lesser tier than I am, due to my Anglo genetics.”

    I didn’t say it was some uniform,absolute law of ethnic hierarchy; exceptions a-plenty exist.

    Do you think Italians have always had the same status as founding-stock WASPs?

    Hell, every alt-right sight has one or two commenters whose set-piece consists of bemoaning the fact that America ever let in the Irish; my mentioning that fact is hardly a groundbreaking contention.

  94. Hispanics today are in the immigration-pattern-mode that Italians and Poles were in during, say, the early 1950s

    That is Bush-era amnesty-push Tamar Jacoby nonsense. The problems that came with diluting the original Anglo stock aside, there is no useful parallel between European immigrants and central american Indios.

  95. — Not sure of what Gamma rank entails.

    I only had like 6 or 7 posts dedicated to the subject.

    — the world is your oyster!

    The world is my oyster too and yet I find the time to talk to other men with some modicum of attention to my credibility.

  96. Hispanics today are in the immigration-pattern-mode that Italians and Poles were in during, say, the early 1950s

    Complete and utter bullsh*t.

    Italian and Polish immigrants have the matching genetics and capability to fully integrate into American society, moving up through the ranks education-wise.

    Only a moderate amount of Latin immigrants have the ability to do that, and their success in doing so is generally in proportion to their amount of European blood. There’s vast, poverty-stricken areas in Southern Texas that are inhabited by Latin immigrants who came here generations ago, many of them don’t even speak Spanish any longer. These areas resemble Tijuana or Mexicali much more than Dallas. Some border areas on the USA side don’t even have running water or electricity.

  97. Hell, every alt-right sight has one or two commenters whose set-piece consists of bemoaning the fact that America ever let in the Irish; my mentioning that fact is hardly a groundbreaking contention.

    No whites are still bemoaning the arrival of the Irish any longer, that was during a short period earlier in the century and only in the crowded urban Northeast (when prole whites were still urban) and the Irish quickly assimilated and moved up in society via education and by assuming American values.

    You’re a little childlike in your understanding of some racial matters, Trickin. It’s almost like you’ve studied the subject from afar, not so much unlike Barack Obama having to move to the Southside of Chicago to finally satisfy his curiosity about being around rank-and-file black people. (but from a safe distance in the white enclave of Hyde Park)

    I don’t think you understand that your ability to feel comfortable around (and be easily accepted by) whites is due to a lot of very non-black qualities that you have – your white cultural tastes, your education level, your capacity for introspection and self-deprecation, your non-threatening demeanor. Hence, you falsely assume that all minorities who are in proximity to whites must be able to mix with them freely in the same way as you when nothing could be further from the truth.

  98. “Italian and Polish immigrants have the matching genetics and capability to fully integrate into American society,”

    Many WASP-centric race realists dispute that assertion; my guess is that Poles and other Eastern Europeans are closer to the founding stock in key metrics, but what about all the HBD measures that focus on the difference between northern and southern Italian stock and their corollary measures?

  99. Mestizos aren’t pushy and arrogant like some immigrant groups. They also don’t seem particularly anti white. It’s just that there are a lot of them, they are very poor and they share a huge border with us.

  100. Mestizos aren’t pushy and arrogant like some immigrant groups. They also don’t seem particularly anti white.

    No, Mestizos are generally fond whites and aren’t antagonistic. This also explains their low participation rates in voting and civic matters – they know how to defer to their betters on leadership (whites) and they instinctively trust that whites are best left in charge.

    In contrast, blacks always want to do things the black way, clamor for the limelight and leadership and will gladly run major government institutions or municipalities into the ground, despite their difficulty at being able to successfully maintain minor efforts like an orderly neighborhood or lemonade stand.

  101. “You’re a little childlike in your understanding of some racial matters, Trickin. It’s almost like you’ve studied the subject from afar……(but from a safe distance in the white enclave of Hyde Park)……I don’t think you understand that your ability to feel comfortable around (and be easily accepted by) whites is due to a lot of very non-black qualities that you have – your white cultural tastes, your education level, your capacity for introspection and self-deprecation, your non-threatening demeanor. Hence, you falsely assume that all minorities who are in proximity to whites must be able to mix with them freely in the same way as you when nothing could be further from the truth.

    No! You do this a lot: build a faulty snowman than blow it down —– and it’s mildly insulting; i’m not that naive and sheltered a man: the area of Hyde Park I moved in was very black; currently, I work with impoverished blacks on a daily basis; i’ve grown up beside middle-class blacks from day-one, and NON-GHETTO BLACKS ARE NOT NECESSARILY BLACKS WITH “WHITE CULTURAL TASTES.” That is a very provincial, almost redneck attitude to maintain. I mean, it’s your right to believe and say as much —- but i get some cog-dis when i compare that to what you typically say and to the level you usually comport yourself within, etc.

    But I’ll drop it; this is the point at which the host and others chide me for ‘hijacking’ the thread toward me, me, me!

    But I’d be glad to not have to go over this tired ground; rather, i just don’t want to let the misconception grow and fester.

  102. NON-GHETTO BLACKS ARE NOT NECESSARILY BLACKS WITH “WHITE CULTURAL TASTES.”

    Lol. No duh, you just reinforced my point.

    Let me explain in plain English – you can talk at length about Iggy Pop, plus all the other white, white, white music you talk about here. Even amongst “non-ghetto” blacks that makes you a unicorn and it clearly came from being around mostly white people, stop trying to bullshi*t people. It’s not like you were rounding up your “boys” and taking Jamal, Rashawn and the brothers with you to all of these concerts you keep mentioning in sentimental fashion.

    If you think that middle class black youth and lower class blacks listen to different music then you don’t know them – they all listen to the same radio hip-hop today. Their parents may listen to some Jazz or Prince, though.

    Either way, you’re the one that has the lack of understanding if you think that short little brown broken English-speaking Mestizo women are swimming across the border (with all of their belongings in an old knapsack) and then moving into gentrified Milwaukee neighborhoods and breeding with the local whites within a few years.

  103. the thread toward me, me, me!

    People’s inner lives as such are not interesting. If solipsism were intersting, a young girl’s deep thoughts would have the power to distract us from her hotness.

    What has the potential to be interesting about anyone is any lucidly articulated thoughts he may have about things outside of himself, or deeds he’s done or is doing.

  104. Camlost earlier today: “No whites are still bemoaning the arrival of the Irish any longer, that was during a short period earlier in the century and only in the crowded urban Northeast (when prole whites were still urban) and the Irish quickly assimilated and moved up in society via education and by assuming American values. “

    To wit, from this blog earlier this year: “Matthew Walker | October 2, 2016 at 10:50 am
    I applaud your good manners in striving to *improve* your new home rather than looting it. The US was founded explicitly as a white country. Yeah, we had a limited variety of white people. That’s diversity enough. We didn’t need the Italians or the Irish or the Chinese; adding Somalis and Syrians is flatly insane……Full disclosure, I’m half Irish. Facts are facts.”

    ——————————————————————————————————————

    @Cam,
    However, yes, I get your point about the details of “Hispanic immigration;” I acknowledge that when i casually summon such an immigrant, i’m thinking of the mestizo prototype, who probably averages between 95 and 100 in terms of aggregate IQ, thus is quite capable of assimilating. IDK. For the most part, I don’t think any country has to justify their immigration policy and apparently many don’t.

  105. I understand where Nikcrit is coming from. I have zero interest in bands like Phish or in Lalapoluzza type concerts. That hippie, Northern European lifestyle, in small doses, can be appealing. It can quickly get tiresome for me. No one culture really appeals to me over all others. I would probably prefer to watch one of those middle class black movies Steve Sailer likes to review, over many indie films. Neither would be my first choice, though.

  106. What gets lost in talk of potential to assimilate (other than the overall intractable barrier of physical appearance) is that groups are more than the sum of their individual human units. That’s called culture, and culture is downstream from nature.

    A theoretical example: if I’m talking with one Norwegian, it’s two guys having a conversation. But if it’s me and ten of his countrymen or him and ten of mine, things will feel a bit weird for the one-off man. It even holds true with closely related monolingual groups, like when a Yank is hanging out with ten Southerners.

    Talk of assimilation is a 20th century concept. We’re moving into an identitarian 21st century, where communal identities are beginning to get reasserted and talk of immigration/assimilation takes on a tone of irrelevance.

  107. African Americans have been the favorite minority of Anglo Americans for a long time now. The fact that they still remain very distinct speaks volumes.

  108. “Let me explain in plain English – you can talk at length about Iggy Pop, plus all the other white, white, white music you talk about here. Even amongst “non-ghetto” blacks that makes you a unicorn and it clearly came from being around mostly white people, stop trying to bullshi*t people.”

    Ummm, excuse me. But do you think that maybe, just maybe, I can discuss Iggy and other ‘white, white music” because I was a, umm, pop music critic at a top-25 daily newspaper and a pop writer for national music magazines FOR TWELVE YEARS???

    Might that have something to do with it?

    Fukin’ unbelievable, I tell ya!

  109. “A theoretical example: if I’m talking with one Norwegian, it’s two guys having a conversation. But if it’s me and ten of his countrymen or him and ten of mine, things will feel a bit weird for the one-off man. It even holds true with closely related monolingual groups, like when a Yank is hanging out with ten Southerners.”

    yes, but the intensity of that “assimilationist variable,’ you might call it, is constantly changing, moving, readjusting —— it’s not a homestatic measure!

    I respectfully say that you and others who prefer a traditionally conservative norm in terms of intercultural interaction are overlooking the very real and constant x-factor of European technology and the cultural shifts it produces; (i.e., one quick example, showing something you of course know but might simply overlook: how hard is it now for someone in rural South Dakota to communicate visually and via audio with someone in Sub-Saharan Africa? How long would the idea take to go from conception to execution? 30 seconds, to someone already seated before his or her monitor and keyboard? Maybe a minute, if things are moving a bit slow.

    Ok, now how long do you think it would take to make that happen one-hundred years ago, in 1916?

    The larger point i’m leading to is that such routine advances in comm-tech manifest in the populce at a reflexive and inherent level; to you and me, that example I just created also measures are respective cog-dis—– just how UN-likely that was during our formative years; but someone of age, who doesn’t have to negotiate and adapt to such a change just naturally incorporates that familiarity —– and that DOES manifest in terms of cultural familiarity and comfort vs X-level of cultural alienation.

    No, unlikely as it seems, i say Postman and the other comm-tech postmodernists were right, back in those loopy late ’70s: standards and norms change and adapt and transgress —– but there’s always a new crop of tastemakers and standard BEARERS, who create the rules and taboos that we, the masses, either abide by or abdicate.

    To you or to me, in given moments and epochs, it’s quite possibly The End of the World.But to our creator and deity overseer, it’s just another episode of As the World Turns.

  110. “Trickin, seriously did you know one single black person besides you at UW who wasn’t an athlete?:”

    yes, 2% of 43,000 enrolled is 860-some negro undergraduate students, Camlost. (That’s damn-near enough to support a local Buffalo Wild Wings franchise, mister!))

  111. @camlost: here’s a link to a future black pop trend that even you might get behind —– and it was presented to me today by a white publication and is steeped in a pop tradition that is, arguably, white instigated….. lolzz.

  112. I respectfully say that you and others who prefer a traditionally conservative norm in terms of intercultural interaction are overlooking the very real and constant x-factor of European technology and the cultural shifts it produces;

    I do agree with you that intermixing in the USA (cultural and physical) is not likely to slow down, partly for some of the reasons you’d cited. The only thing that could stop it is a big nasty recession or other even that causes whites to make back to the right and/or move back towards religiosity.

    Ummm, excuse me. But do you think that maybe, just maybe, I can discuss Iggy and other ‘white, white music” because I was a, umm, pop music critic at a top-25 daily newspaper and a pop writer for national music magazines FOR TWELVE YEARS???

    LOL, it’s self-selecting, my man. You were able to tolerate that music for 12 years because you liked it. Go to a step show and see how many whites are there, then go to a bluegrass concert and see how many non-whites you see.

  113. nikcrit – I suspect you’d get clowned (at least initially) by many blacks down south. Then again — light a few blak & milds, blast some vintage Outkast or Lloyd Banks on repeat (slowed & throwed), and start gulping Hennessy-VS straight from the bottle, and one of these mornings you just may wake up as our Minister of Music Communications. MAGA.

  114. Trump met with Bill Gates and K West on the same day in his tower. The man’s got a poetic streak. That unswerving brashness was America’s genesis.

  115. “OL, it’s self-selecting, my man. You were able to tolerate that music for 12 years because you liked it. Go to a step show and see how many whites are there, then go to a bluegrass concert and see how many non-whites you see.”

    What? I’ve gone to a bah-zillion shows in which i was the ONLY NAM and in which THERE IS NO OTHER WHITE AROUND.

    To wit: Barenaked Ladies: just sepia-toned Nikcrit and 23,000 smiling alabaster Swapples groovin’ to the dorkiest Canadian act to come about in decades —– and given the host nation here, that’s saying something.

    OTOH, attending a Juvenile show at his peak, circa 2002-’03, and i’m quite sure that there were no more than two or three ‘whiggas’ or ‘mudsharks’ in that entire chronic-scented auditorium. Lol!!

  116. edit: i checked it up; i think i caught up with Juvie a few years earlier than i stated, during his ’99 “Back That Azz Up” glory; damn, where does the time go?

    @Cam: one thing interesting about Juvenile: very, very rare for a one-or-two-hit wonder, like him, to have such a long career and one with so long interludes between hits: he’s released consequential albums and relatively hit singles over the course of 15 years! Pretty unheard of…

  117. one thing interesting about Juvenile: very, very rare for a one-or-two-hit wonder, like him, to have such a long career and one with so long interludes between hits: he’s released consequential albums and relatively hit singles over the course of 15 years! Pretty unheard of…

    Rap is extremely competitive and fickle.

    Normally you either move into producing (where the only real money $$ is in hip hop) or fade away into obscurity where no one will work with you or buy your new records, especially since it normally sounds bizarrre when old rappers have to attempt to pick up a new sound as trends change.

  118. Totally off topic, but on the larger topic of community and men’s roles.

    Among MRA’s there is a cliche scenario wherein the MRA declares to the world that he will no longer help the woman on the side of the road to change her tire, because the sex roles have broken down and blah blah blah. And no less this very morning a commenter to Linh Dinh’s latest on Unz said that exact thing: that was no longer willing to help a woman change a tire on the side of the road, and do other handyman stuff, because sex roles blah blah blah.

    One is inclined to wonder how many women are on the side of road in need of a rescue?

    And but sure enough today i set out walking the dog — under a winter weather advisory: 5 degrees F and gusts to 20 mph — and two blocks out is a woman stuck in the snow on the side of the road and then a second younger one arrived in another vehicle. Both bangable, solid 6’s in that regular middle-aged person sorta way.

    I tied up the dog and went over to help push em out but to no avail. They were spun into the drift and needed either a blow job a two job or at least a shovel to dig them out. And after some internal deliberation i opted not to go get a shovel and dig them out, but instead said good luck and went on my way, and saw an hour later the car was still there.

  119. Were it my car, under that exact situation i could have gotten it out without a tow but with some trouble. Digging out the wheels with a branch pulled off a nearby tree, and then other sticks and branches and whatever wedged in under the wheel, and then gentle back and or forth with the gear shift to get traction up on out.

    But not my car, not my women, not my problem.

    Maybe if the car is still there i will call the city and have it towed. A little payback for the way that i have been treated.

  120. It is illegally “parked” and could be a considered a safety hazard given its location near to a problem intersection.

    For god’s sake, think of the children, school busses use that very road!

    Oh so it will end up costing them 300 dollars, oh well that’s revenue for the city and nothing out of my pocket.

    Who needs incompetent drivers on the road anyways?

  121. Would you let a known liberal be beaten and raped by a pack of minos?

    The particulars of any situation are unique to that situation so who can say what you would do; but as for assessing liberals (and their worth) i would always go by appearances and actions rather than purported or even stated beliefs.

    Especially when it comes to women.

    I have qualms with the notion of agency. Frankly i don’t know what it is. I don’t see that we get a choice.

  122. The Wall will be a construction phenomenon and a political milestone. But 150 yrs from now, these pachukos’ undiscovered tunnels will be the money-making tourist attractions.

  123. “i’m not that hip.”

    Malaysian Amateur Golf Association? Just how thick was the chronic @ those Juvenile shows?

  124. Elk, I know you & share our Rustbelt valor: regardless of their mitigating personal qualities, no way you walked away from those shivering swapped femmes with pride and conviction knowing that said damsels remained in deep-freeze distress! I mean, I don’t care if they were driving a late-model Prius plastered with ” Co-exist” and other blue-pilled decals!

  125. OT: I’m watching the Saturday Night Live Christmas special right now, just get on with Alec Baldwin in which he and two female co-stars are spoofing NPR radio talk shows. I’ve noticed since Trump was elected, SNL and other left-of-center shows seem to be more self-deprecating and outright self spoofing in some of their skits and other formats. A positive sign?

  126. Hell hath no fury like a few braceros with a truckload of canned pulled pork and deep penchants for insomnia. You can be sure that this is only the tip of the iceberg:

    A wall and/or more stringent border enforcement will have the immediate effect of raising the price of drugs smuggled from South of the border, that’s for sure.

  127. “Just thick was the chronic @ those Juvenile shows?”

    I recall the shows highlight: when he did his hit, ‘Back That Ass Up,” a booty-blessed girl came to center stage, backside facing the crowd, & proceeded to shake said derriere with the vibration hum and intensity of a hummingbird’s tweeter…..Ah, that M. A in modern-lit finally came in handy!

  128. PA
    Ryu
    Kristor
    Roebuck
    Charlton
    Firepower
    Vox Day
    Erudite Knight
    Mrs. Wood
    My blood bro….

    All will converge on white Supremacy or get decimated on the wrong side of history.

    I’m just a messenger.

  129. “The world is my oyster too and yet I find the time to talk to other men with some modicum of attention to my credibility.”

    Yes, point taken. I do try not to be rude or disrespectful but I also maintain a bit of calculated ignorance toward some of that fraternal pecking order as part of my registered skepticism toward the PUA movement, which of course heavily trades in said rankings.

    I also notice some widely varying description of the terms —- to the point in which some no longer make sense to me or serve as even a rough rule-of-thumb; along those lines, i’ve heard the M.O. on ‘betas’ to range from anonymous schlubs to all-but-peak-envied ‘alphas,’ by the lights of other descriptors.

    Still, I’ll try to be maintain a more vigilant and respectful sense of occasion here.

  130. Redo comment, corrections appended…

    ““Just how thick was the chronic @ those Juvenile shows?”

    I recall the show’s highlight: when Ju did his hit, ‘Back That Ass Up,” a booty-blessed girl came to center stage, backside facing the crowd, & proceeded to shake said derriere with the vibratic hum and intensity of a hummingbird’s tweeter…..

    Ah, that M. A in modern-lit finally came in handy!

  131. here’s my candidate for this week’s “Lowest of Gutter Trash” award:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/yasmin-seweid-teen-accused-of-making-up-story-of-anti-muslim-harassment-on-nyc-subway/

    That fake Islamophobia mugging story was reported VERY widely, but it smelled to high heaven to me.

    It’s somewhat difficult to find 3 Trump supporters in one place in NYC, as she described her attackers. In addition, I don’t think the rest of the people on any NYC subway train would sit by and let vulgar pro-Trump harassment against a hijab-wearing female continue like she claimed. New Yorkers are so pro-Democratic party and anti-Trump that they would actually intervene for something like that even though general bystanders would almost never intervene to stop an obvious random mugging or assault.

  132. “The world is my oyster too and yet I find the time to talk to other men with some modicum of attention to my credibility.”

    So, with this “Oyster” business you’re basically saying that a degreed, homeowning, good-credit, childless, batchelor black man with no criminal record is a rarity?

    Wouldn’t you accuse me of “essentializing” if I said the same thing? LOL

  133. “Wouldn’t you accuse me of “essentializing” if I said the same thing? LOL”

    No, because stats are stats. I only throw that accusation at you when you say that anything by someone black that isn’t blatantly ghetto is ‘culturally white.’

    I mean, is John Hope Franklin the standard for all race realists in the alt-right? Ryu here nominated him for hero status upthread. Does Franklin speak for you?

    Nuance tends to be in the eye of the beholder —– especially if that eye is self-reflecting.

  134. I mean, is John Hope Franklin the standard for all race realists in the alt-right?

    huh? John Hope Franklin is a black historian.

  135. — But not my car, not my women, not my problem (Elk)

    If there was no child or a life-threatening situation, I’d have left them on the side of the road too. Sometimes it dawns on empowered wymmyn (either of the high-functioning feminist variety or the “ah don’t need no man” mudshark), that sometimes they do need a man after all, and oops, they don’t even have one they can call on a cell phone when in trouble. Unfortunately, most women do not have the capacity to process their experiences toward lessons-learned. Wisdom is transmitted to women, and constantly maintained in them, by the men in their lives. My take on white-knighting IS HERE.

    — It’s somewhat difficult to find 3 Trump supporters in one place in NYC (Camlost)

    Three were sighted last summer at an excellent craft beer pub in Brooklyn. Turns out that they were alien infiltrators, a.k.a. two of my friends and I on a NYC day-trip.

    — these pachukos’ undiscovered tunnels will be the money-making tourist attractions (Each Pond Gone)

    South Korea uses at least one discovered North Korean sub-DMZ tunnel as a tourist attraction. Look up “Third Tunnel of Aggression.”

  136. “I don’t think it would be wise to ever admit being a Trump supporter on a New York subway.”

    Huh?! Yeah, he’s not going to win electorally but I think he’s a sort-of New York folk hero, among that sort-of vanishing but still mythologically virile contingent of working-class white ‘Guido’ contingent that you find in the boroughs outside of Manhattan; i.e., I’d bet a slight sum that Trump won among precincts in the Jersey Shore, no?

    IDK. Don’t want to stereotype and my NY presumptions are pretty dated and that much worse for wear.

    Calling peterike!

  137. Trump lost NY state by 59-36 overall. There’s no way that he got more than 20% of the vote across the 5 boroughs.

  138. “no way that he got more than 20% of the vote across the 5 boroughs.”

    Yeah, i can see that, easily. But don’t you think that’s just a sign of prudent self-interest? A long-established Dem-vs-Gop plank. But Trump has some NY charisma and folklore; i’d bet he’d win some local race if he ran as a Dem.

    I think I recall reading that, nationally, he pulled 8% of the black vote, while back in 2012 and 2008, McCain and Romney, respectively, pulled in only 2%.

  139. @Cam

    Joe Paul Franklin, that is.

    You know what I meant; he’s one of the folk hero’s and guiding lights in your movement!

    Your boy puts his money where your mouths are —- so it must’ve been a shock to see his 11th-hour conversion to ‘lib-cuck’ speak, i.e., his eventual multi-kult embrace.

    Who amongst your movement and its kin will step up to assume his proud mantle? lol..

  140. Here’s a family summer-vacation suggestion/tip for PA, peterike and others; (i once did a 10-day, two-country African excursion, to
    Ghana and Cameroon, when i was still a underground….LBF: you ever been here?

  141. That’s a great video. Surprised i had not seen it.

    It all seems scripted, in a way.

    The guy looks pretty (damned) good considering the position he is in!

    Just going from that clip though, he has NOT turned and cucked — what he did was renounce “all violence” as a means.

    It is quite possible to have the view that violence is not acceptable as a means, and to still advocate for White interests. In fact not only is that possible, it is strategic.

  142. It’s not well to put Joe Paul Franklin down, nikcrit. He was killing interracial couples and mixlets on a daily basis, for a time. He was a great man.

    I have seen that, and all the other videos on him. You are seeing a man who has laid in the enemy’s hand for the last 30 years. He was not free in body or mind.

    It is the difference between a domesticated dog and a free wolf. He didn’t convert – he just wanted a way out, to save his own life.

    We are not decieved, Nikcrit. We know that any one who is not white cannot ever know our movement and motivations as fully as a true white man.

  143. It is strategic to at least pay lip service to the idea that violence is unacceptable as a means.

    Of course the reality is that that is entirely a pretense.

    But all the same, it is the pretense of civilization.

  144. That’s correct.

    Cops and soldiers use violence every single day. The American public cheers murderers and torturers in Afghanistan and at Guantanimo. Why, the more they kill, the more the public loves them. Think of Mark Owen or “American Sniper” Chris Kyle.

    The reason that WNs commonly avoid promoting violence…is that they don’t want the USG to use it on them.

    They believe that by rolling over and acting harmless, they will protect themselves better. Joe was just reading from the book in that video. Like the jews or Muzz, we allow lying and deception to defeat and con the enemy. In a way, it’s a sort of liberal trick we’ve stolen.

  145. Obama with T-Heezy Coates: “if you were fine with big government until it served black people, rethink your biases”:

    http://www.vox.com/identities/2016/12/13/13935884/obama-government-race-ta-nehisi-coates

    Says the Kenyan:

    I’m careful not to attribute any particular resistance or slight or opposition to race. But what I do believe is that if somebody didn’t have a problem with their daddy being employed by the federal government, and didn’t have a problem with the Tennessee Valley Authority electrifying certain communities, and didn’t have a problem with the interstate highway system being built, and didn’t have a problem with the GI Bill, and didn’t have a problem with the [Federal Housing Administration] subsidizing the suburbanization of America, and that all helped you build wealth and create a middle class — and then suddenly as soon as African Americans or Latinos are interested in availing themselves of those same mechanisms as ladders into the middle class, you now have a violent opposition to them — then I think you at least have to ask yourself the question of how consistent you are, and what’s different, and what’s changed.

  146. — “I’m careful not to attribute any particular resistance or slight or opposition to race.”

    Once ordinary people reply “yeah, I’m pretty much opposed to X because of race,” libs/blacks will be left with nothing. And I am not even talking about pointless debates (we’re past the point of debating) but about taking back what’s ours.

  147. Depends on whose children are being murdered.

    Liberals cheer white children being killed. They’ve done this many times, in South Africa and telling white women WNs they’ll be raped and their children sodomized. I’ve been to the rallies and heard it myself.

    It is quid pro quo. And everyone knows this. I don’t care about their people, they don’t care about mine.

    This is the game. They kill some of ours, we kill some of theirs. Pacifism is death. The prize is land, women and power.

    Liberals are afraid right now…and they should be! It’s gonna be payback time in a big way.

    We can pull up hundreds of videos showing liberals calling for white genocide. I find it motivational.

  148. “We can pull up hundreds of videos showing liberals calling for white genocide. I find it motivational.”

    Your suggesting J.P. Franklin is antidote to Weatherman Underground (a comically inept, basically agit-prop organization that mainly sabotaged its own members’, who were basically acting-out adolescent coming-of-age class and identity issues). But once you lower yourself to justifying your evilness by citing theirs, “what have you got left in the form of moral currency?” I ask, Mr. child-killing scumbag?

  149. Nikcrit, you reintroduced the subject of Franklin several times, each time in a frivolous manner. And now you’re angry because someone replies to you like an adult.

  150. “And now you’re angry because someone replies to you like an adult.”

    Angry? No. Moreso sarcasm under-girded with equal amounts of bewilderment and disbelief.

    But now I’m thinking it’s just another example of the extreme absurdities we find ourselves in from having a society that tends toward dichotomous “for-or-against?” on social ills and challenges. In choosing our ‘;side,’ only one or the other, we find ourselves signing on to preposterous moral absolutes just to confirm our general allegiance to the cause.

    What, if anything, is your position on Franklin?

  151. Nikcrit…

    When YOU partake in reinforcing the only known taboo to a Totalitarian DieVerse City… What do you think will happen when the individual cannot separate? He kills or is annihilated. In JPF’s case, it will be both because he still resides inside the Totalitarian DieVerse City. And separation is totally taboo to you. So you are an accomplice to murder and annihilation.

  152. “In choosing our ‘;side,’ only one or the other, we find ourselves signing on to preposterous moral absolutes…”

    The present alternative seems to be cultural Ataxia seen within some aspects of Russia. Take a quick look at this:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/hidden-author-putinism-russia-vladislav-surkov/382489/

    “Surkov likes to invoke the new postmodern texts just translated into Russian, the breakdown of grand narratives, the impossibility of truth, how everything is only “simulacrum” and “simulacra” … and then in the next moment he says how he despises relativism and loves conservatism …

    Later he announced: “I see the decision by the administration in Washington as an acknowledgment of my service to Russia. It’s a big honor for me. I don’t have accounts abroad. The only things that interest me in the U.S. are Tupac Shakur, Allen Ginsberg, and Jackson Pollock. I don’t need a visa to access their work. I lose nothing.”’

    While interpreting it on a much different level, Russia looks to share a proclivity with Africa for imitating gangsta-rap culture.

    Modernity is hyper-fragile. Study Plutarch, keep lifting, and stay in command of your Fate and Fortune — and perhaps the AR will avoid the broken train of hollowed abstraction and intentions prepackaged by Baudrillard and Ruff Ryderz Entertainment.

  153. Added and edited.

    Ryu

    Your main flaw is thinking that the game is over when you are physically dead…

    Which then leads to your fatal flaw in failing to acknowledge the Supremacy of Perfection over the radical autonomy of Evil and thus your desire for killing the “enemy” is SENSELESS, i.e., nonsensical. And yet, still not senselessly nonsensical in the way of Nikcrit’s rebuttal.

    So if you are unable to recognize innocence then you cannot possibly kill with utter righteousness. You must always be uncertain as to whether you kiiled (e)vil?

    So when you say none are innocent, you have, in fact, declared your terminable status. You are DEMANDING ANNIHILATION as one absolutely guilty of making cover for Evil by denying Perfection and giving impression that the death penalty is a Final Liberation to be desired.

  154. “Hey Nikcrit, here is NOT a former death row inmate, but the spokeswoman for DC public schools, and she wants to get rid of White men:”

    Well, Hilary is a idiot and i’m willing to bet she has some issues with ‘the white men’ she says she’d like to eradicate, something just tells me she’s being more metaphoric and than literal in expressing her desires.

    However, since you suggest a comparison between the two, putting her up against J.P. in terms of willingness to act out their bluster and rhetoric? Hmmm, I’d say that your fellow whites-rightist has passed the acid-test much more convincingly than has your disgrutled feminist and education bureaucrat, no?

    [Redacted. let’s keep hypotheticals about family out of it -PA]

  155. AS a child of mudsharking, Nikcrit is innocent.

    As a Halfrican Superman, Nikcrit is entirely accountable for his transgressing.

    A neat trick is to attempt to diddle in the middle.

  156. “He kills or is annihilated. In JPF’s case, it will be both because he still resides inside the Totalitarian DieVerse City. And separation is totally taboo to you. So you are an accomplice to murder and annihilation.”

    Lol!! Absurdity matched only by its utter shamelessness; and neither you or elk or PA can see your philosophical folly! You, Thor, worse than those two, who are often manipulated through their confusing dichotomy with conviction, and wind up being apologists to scum.

    What you don’t get is that I do not ‘transgress’ because i never bought into the gerrymandered ‘divide’ to begin with, thus nor do i have to ‘separate’ because I also never signed on to your prime concept of ‘difference’ nor thus ‘different entitites.’

    Thor, your specific culpability is you see this clearly as well; you makes that evident in your commentary all the time. Yet all you do is set the trap for their moral idiocy and then revel in it from afar, when your ‘objective supremacism’ smokescreen would seemingly demand the exact opposite.So, now you three, with all your alt-right derring-do, are eyeing each other, wondering who’s got the balls to go off script and dare disown good ol’ J.P. —–but you just can’t do it! After all: what would Ryu think? lol…

    Thor, this is a new low for you.

  157. God flooded the Earth, and destroyed all of humanity but a few, TD. He also created Satan. The Perfect Good can also do evil, a great deal of it.

    The ultimate false flag was the War Against Evil. Like the War on Terror, the “good” created the enemy. The USG created Osama, just as God created Satan. He knew the nature of the serpent in the garden when he created it.

    You’ve hidden a secret area of your philosophy. The black who pursues black supremacism, the white who pursues white supremacism and the Mex who pursues Mexican supremacism are all chasing the same man. The universalist nature of Christianity is not a strong weapon for the WN, who creates distinction.

  158. Nikcrit…

    In your diatribe is exactly the “thing” I need to tell you that I neither be a critic of or fanboy to JPF. He shall be guilty where he killed the innocent and innocent where he killed (e)vil. And because he JUST KILLED inside a Totalitarian DieVerse City with a vicious taboo on racial separation, he will be annihilated.

    There is nothing absurd about stating plain truth.

    Your concept of “innocent” and “evil” is thoroughly degraded BECAUSE you reject Separation in principle as indicated BY THE SIMPLE FACT that you never even bother to conceive of “it” even where it would be absolutely necessary to do so.

  159. Ryu…

    Saying God created Evil is analogous to the alt-rite authoring a spiritual creation myth for “liberalism.”

    God created a free-willed ANGEL who He knew would turn against Him as Satan.

    Such is the universal cost of All Creation.

    The Self-Annihilator.

    Satan’s EXISTENCE is proof of Perfection STILL reigning SUPREME.

    The existence of the white Supremacist only bolstering the claim.

    And you don’t die when you’re dead or you were never a SPIRITED warrior for the white race.

  160. i don’t ‘conceive’ of separation in the way you suggest because it’s unnecessary and not germane to the points we make.

    You’ve never clearly and convincingly have explained why it is and i suggest that is because you can’t.

  161. I can’t argue with nikcrit if what he says is being redacted.

    I don’t know what he said, and it is not clear (to me) what his criticisms are, beyond the typical (and tedious) moral censure.

    Eveyone is opposed to violence, in principle. And at the same time we all have to eat.

    Is there a resolution to that paradox? Is it even a paradox?

    Perhaps the paradox is in considering it a paradox.

    If our animal and physical reality is not scrutinized too closely, well then no problems.

    All this thinking is contradictory reflection on reality. It is a self-imposed paradox.

    ***************

    An infringement on living space IS an act of aggression.

    Humans are animals and we are territorial — White Americans did not agree to share this living space with the world.

    The particulars of black Americans would have to be considered separately. However at some point people being forced to live in a society that is not voluntary, is going to have some problems.

  162. “Satan’s EXISTENCE is proof of Perfection STILL reigning SUPREME.”

    A grand insight. A Böcklin’s paintings and natural formations like Red Rock Canyon in CO Springs have always assured me that such was the case.

  163. If our government is not going to effectively protect, then the resolution of the conflict falls into the hands of the citizens.

    And the conflict is that our land is being given away. Without our consent.

    In the historical United States, black Americans are a part of that. However their position is not clear. And in their defense, no one’s position, including that of White Americans, is clear.

    White Americans don’t have any organized voice beyond these blogs and the stand-up work at TRS and misc others.

    White Americans can’t even get together a fucking good-enough petition that can’t be ignored, with say 20 millions signatures, that says something simple and to-the-point,

    We White Americans do not agree to give up our living space. We White Americans want to and intend to keep our living space for ourselves and our children.

    This instance of government, and nor any other, has not the authority to divest We its citizens of Our land.

    It is as simple as that, and yet there is no petition to that effect, so maybe White Americans don’t feel and think that way.

  164. “He shall be guilty where he killed the innocent and innocent where he killed (e)vil.”

    This is the “side” I take which isn’t an aside at all. It is the Truth versus The Fall-cide.

  165. If God wishes to destroy the white race, will you stand aside and allow it?

    FP wrote an article once called “God is a Nigger.” Since the first “man” was black. He must be a strange god, for he is allowing statues to be defaced in Germany, of Mary being urinated upon by Muzz in Italy.

  166. Evil as understood by Christians is the absence or negation of the Good (the true, beautiful and innocent). Concurrently, the Fall of Man has the residual effect of tainting all of mankind with sin. Then the obvious objection raised is the idea of being born of sin. And clearly, being born of sin is not equIvalent to being Evil UNLESS one BE a radical egalitarian.

    To have sinned is not to say you have evil inside you nor is it to say that you where not innocent at your birth or even at the time of your hypothetical murder.

    And that’s that.

    There is no reason for evil to be “in” you just because you have sinned or that you suffer the residual effect of a fallen Adam.

  167. Ryu…

    You blur the line between God destroying the white race and the white race desiring self-annihilation. And it takes all your faith to throw out a lifetime of empirical observation to believe it so.

  168. TD, what will you do if you find heaven is full of minos?

    Perhaps heaven’s demographics are the same as Earths: 7 billion minos, 700 million whites. I think it would be a great disappointment to fight for an ethnostate here, and then have to do it again in the next world. There are now more Christian minos than Christian whites.

  169. The aim of a perpetuating oligarchy is to present The Perfect Man as the mechanism of self-annihilation. The various ideological “hacks” such as jew, jihad, homosexuality or nigger are simply different reactions to this global inversion of reality. Self-evidently, WHITE CHRISTIANS ARE THE LAST TO CONCEDE that The Perfect Man is the rational justification to self-annihilate.

    Such truth no longer stands.

    The genuine white Supremacist is born.

  170. Ryu…

    What will you do if you find out Hell is “full” of “nothing?”

    Why do either/or?

    I think Heaven to have all my children and that is good enough for that.

    On earth, I still envision The Land of white Supremacy.

    And it is not Mouse Utopia.

  171. Clearly, amongst high IQ “jewhites” in the service of a perpetuating oligarchy, there are specialized “hacks” REINFORCING, PARTICULARLY, the mechanism of “perfect white man,” aka the “white supremacist,” as the memes to self-annihilate. So the heterosexual, white, fundamentalist Christian, the racist, the Nazi, the “white supremacist” ARE ALL THE FAILED ATTEMPTS of a white man seeking to be the perfect white man and rendering such failure in the face of an impossible task as NEED TO self-annihilate as salvation.

    Swallow white pill.

    The Perfect Man as empirical fact a) falsifies “universal equality” FOR ALL TIME and b) makes DELUSION out of any stated obstacle to a will towards Perfection.

    Psychoptic War…

    Genesis: Virtual Reality.

    You Fall… And then you strive towards Supremacy as a white man.

    You get called a white Supremacist.

    And you do not deny.

    Or…

    You HAVE deconverted.

    So you are a white Christian who denies being a white Supremacist.

    Ergo, you are anti-white Supremacy.

    You are zeitgeist.

    You ARE another “hack” at the very God you claim to worship.

    Radical autonomist is thy name.

  172. We White Americans do not agree to give up our living space. We White Americans want to and intend to keep our living space for ourselves and our children.

    This instance of government, and nor any other, has not the authority to divest We its citizens of Our land.

  173. From that article: “We worked with the city to help immigrants integrate into society and access social services.” Yes, social services. Something no 19th century settler of Midwestern plains ever said.

    The article is worth a quick skimming to get an undiluted feel for the pro-immigrationist’s mentality. In their worldview, Americans on their own land aren’t even an antagonist to overcome or push aside. They are a nullity, they don’t figure into the equation. Amazing, downright infantile arrogance.

  174. The “right” to immigrate anywhere, specifically white countries and particularly America, is the bait and switch of radical autonomy…

    It is the Parasite signaling to the parasites where on the globe are the most lavish hosts.

    The “right” to go there is predetermined due a radically autonomous “nature.”

  175. The active ingredients are white man and The Perfect Man. A dull white mass CONCEDES that the white Supremacist is not the synthesis by sheer submission to a false thesis/antithesis where white man (thesis) is antithetical to The Perfect Man (antithesis). In this faulty, binary frame appears a fatal sub-equation which annihilates the Hegelian Dialectic whole and renders a synthesis of white Supremacist inconceivable EVEN TO THE high IQ “white” male.

    This ^^^ is the “make-tricks.”

  176. In their worldview, Americans on their own land aren’t even an antagonist to overcome or push aside. They are a nullity, they don’t figure into the equation.

    Yeah, the Hillary Campaign did kinda make that clear with its proudly Libyan mouthpiece sounding off scarcely veiled and painfully simple anti-White logic like this, didn’t they?:

    For 40 years, Hillary has fought for marginalized communities. She is no doubt the most qualified and the best candidate for president.”

    Well, there you have it!! What’s to argue about that?

  177. Seen recently in Seattle, but not covered by mainstream media outlets (I’m sure that was just an oversight on their part).

  178. In the same manner in which the Logos makes literate white Man accountable to Perfection, the gossipy chaos that is “equality” dogma makes accountable the Host to all its parasites. And the inverted reality is realized by a radical autonomist amongst the mass of illiterate Man.

  179. Claiming that a white female must fornicate with a black male or else one is “evil” is, metaphysically-speaking, Evil. In mere secular-speak, such claim is criminal sickness.

  180. It is only a “hoax” in the sense that one can RATIONALLY PREDICT the next radically pathological move of the anti-white Supremacist and sandpaper his slippery slope.

  181. Thanks, Cammy.

    I like that poster alot. Of course, the words alone mean nothing. Only an antifa or mino Joe Paul Franklin can stop white-white relationships.

    All groups need enforcers. It is quite rare to find anyone willing to take the risk without government permission. There are no liberal or antifa prison gangs – and the minos surely won’t take them.

  182. There are no liberal or antifa prison gangs – and the minos surely won’t take them.

    That’s an interesting point. How much do you know about antifas? I wonder if they’re all-in or more like hired protesters. I’ve read that many are unstable or drug addicted individuals whom Soros’ people organize.

  183. that image of the slain girl from Nice should be one of the most enduring symbols of resistance and fight on our side. just reminding myself of that unwanted cultural enrichment moment should be enough to jar me into action. however, there’s the need to plan ahead and use future time orientation to enact the most accurate outcome. unfortunately, we are still at the stage of laying the groundwork for a more decisive attack at a later stage,for now we just have to resist the temptation of doing anything hasty.

  184. From the article:

    In our world, those who are members of any marginalized identity — such as being a woman, queer, non-white, or transgender — do not simply face violence and increased difficulties to self-actualization. They also tend to be the first ones hit by the effects of problems as diverse as climate change, relationship violence, and poverty.

  185. “And the only “media outlet” to cover that photo (college newspaper) puts out an article almost as alarming as the flyer itself:”

    God, was that article painful to read; aspiring thought entirely void of aim and focus. And just how tortured can prose get? To wit: ” This poster is the tip of a diseased iceberg in our national discourse. “…..”For me personally, dating really is hard as a white guy — it has to be. When I go on dates I am constantly evaluating my own biases and my role in the context of the relationship; this is part of being a more decent and sensitive person. “

    And finally, the apex of convoluted conjecture:

    “This is a crystal-clear threat against people of color in the Seattle community. I would argue that, implicitly, it is especially a threat against women of color. I know such women who felt shocked and afraid for their safety after seeing its toxic message, a message that is unequivocally a racist and violent threat.Obviously, I get that the “goal” of the poster, as far as one is discernible, is to challenge white supremacy. In the abstract, this is a noble pursuit. “

    I gotta admit; i once wrote a piece, a sorta higher-brow rendition of the article in question here but more politically neutral, for this fairly prominent rag and eventual blog, “The Baffler,” when i first got to grad school… You could see this writer above eventually having some skills; it’s just that he’s using the vocabulary of a academic and social observer whose yet to have any experience, feelings and convictions —– so, he’s sort of just imitating things he’s read and seeing if any of it makes sense and sticks to the wall.

  186. It’s funny that a white writer has to make this statement in order to give the article real relevance:

    This is a crystal-clear threat against people of color in the Seattle community.

  187. PA, an antifa is a moderate liberal direct action activist. They will go as far as beatings, arson or bullets in the window, but not homicide. I have never heard of an antifa killing a WN and willingly going to prison.

    I could not say for certain, but I believe most of them are getting paid somehow. It seems like they know about every nationalist rally, and show up in greater numbers than the racists.

    Some antifa groups are quite extremist, and have even threatened me with violence! Ha. This is the sort of survivalist, anti-commie, pro-America multiculturalist type, white of course. There are few mino antifas as most seem to be jews or liberal whites.

    However, prison in the USA or Europe is a liberal hell. The fags have their own clans, but a liberal would find no traction in the Aryan Brotherhood or NOI. I think those are the punk whites who get fucked in the ass and whored out by mino protectors.

  188. “Claiming that a white female must fornicate with a black male or else one is “evil” is, metaphysically-speaking, Evil. In mere secular-speak, such claim is criminal sickness.”

    The sophomoric slogan and intended message was not ‘pro b-w miscegenation,’ but rather an attempt to make an ironic propagandist slogan against white patriarchy, etc., ad nauseum. Your immediate and specific misreading indicates more what you are concerned about; as for the poster itself, it’s more of that late 70s “medium is the massage”-type media studies ‘subversive sloganeering.”

    Yeah, it’s tired. But it’s not that effective in the current many-to-many media era (once again, the white man’s magic technology has rescued us from a very tired right-vs-left polemical debate that had become excruciatingly boring); personally, I think stuff like that is a not-so-subtle paen to white men, as its fearfulness and imparted respect via contrary disrespect make it similar to that of a cranky child scolding and giving off a tempered tirade directed at the adult the child is obviously dependent on.

    Thor, you really revealed the trick behind your Mojo yesterday; consequently, your familiar riffs now shed a new and revealing light; no one else would believe that poster’s first and immediate intention was to encourage specifically b-w miscegenation.

  189. Ryu: “We are not decieved, Nikcrit. We know that any one who is not white cannot ever know our movement and motivations as fully as a true white man.”

    Just one halfrican’s opinion: False moral equivalency = moral idiocy, in my book.

    Ascribing merit to JP Franklin’s devotion to his people without noting his egregious disregard to people, period, IMO is akin to those tiresome people who say things like: “Dogs are sooo much more loyal than humans, as they never lie or deceive you…etc.”

    And if you don’t get that, then, well, God help you.

  190. Here’s more typical type of antifa imagery, one of their explicit goals is to stop any white self-identification:

  191. Nikcrit…

    You’re old and tired and barely have your feet on the ground anymore. And yet still you never ride the slippery slope. As for me, I don’t slip. I sand paper.

    So do you disagree that the flyer TAKEN AT FACE VALUE is criminal sickness or does it just barely provoke your sense of irony?

    I say you are a real race equalist.

  192. And for your info, I believe I intimated to Ryu elsewhere that JPF was false flag. And if so, where does this place you in possessing a false indignation?

  193. “I believe I intimated to Ryu elsewhere that JPF was false flag. “

    Yes, i thought about it and that came back to me after i posted that last comment.

    So maybe, but you still jumped on that tight micro-interpretation for your immediate response, whether you thought it was valid in that case or that the scenario reminded you first about miscegenatino, f.f.-premise in the long run or not.

    Yeah, i am feeling old and tired when it comes to certain aspects of these debates; if you’re in the wiser half of your 40s and you’re still reckoning with 60s-generated race-riot demons, then wtf.

    Perhaps all of us have found our own eccentrial idiomatic ways of coping with it, no?

    I suppose developing a sort-of philosophically existentially ecumenical mode of free-from logos logic —- as you did —- is as good a route as any.

  194. Dogs are more loyal than people.

    They have been bred over thousands of generations for exactly that.

    Whereas people have their own interests and that cannot be bred out of them.

    Which point is worth elaborating — once their own interests are bred out of them, they cease to exist.

    So those antifas who don’t have their own “Of Race” interests, are axiomatically not Of Race. It doesn’t matter that they are biologically white: they are not Of Race.

  195. Circumcision is about breeding out people’s own interests, people’s own “Of Race” interests.

    Intact genitals are useful for intimacy and long-term pair bonding and the transmission of values and culture that goes with that.

  196. Yeah that topic is my bete noire and taboo and blah blah blah, but its significance to issues of White Identity and in America especially, ought not be ignored.

    Most White Americans of breeding age have been marked by a hostile ritual. And concurrently they don’t know who they are, or at least it can be said they do not have a conscious and explicit ethnic identity. Is there a causal correlation?

    Of course Euros say in England and Sweden also seem to be suffering from liberalism as a mental disorder, so that would go against the idea that circumcision is the single leading causative factor in a people’s dissolution of their self-interest and identity.

    ***********

    My thoughts on it now, are that the ritual of circumcision is inflicted upon vulnerable people, in order to effect [no sic] their mating strategies and life course outcomes, away from successful long-term pair bonding and more into subservience to Bronze Age memes of social control.

  197. It caused me difficulties in pair bonding.

    The first time in a woman, i was perplexed. I ‘knew’ something was mission but it took 20 years to piece it together.

    And all that while, instead of sex being a sensual adventure in being, it was an experience of impairment and loss.

  198. Tell us more, Elk.

    Some MRMs, like Welmer, used to write a bit about male circumcision. He however never got into the racial dimension of it, why white Americans would need to follow a jewish ritual. I imagine it is quite amusing for them.

  199. “Yeah that topic is my bete noire and taboo and blah blah blah, but its significance to issues of White Identity and in America especially, ought not be ignored.”

    Seriously and straight up: provide a link that justly summarizes your position on the issue; I’ve never sought out info on the subject specifically but have read a few articles on it over the years. To the best of my recollection, circumcision is said to be a irrelevant to a slight enhancer of sexual sensitivity….

    I remember grade school days in the 80s; the kids in the locker room made fun of the uncircumcised kids, which were relatively few and far between.

  200. I am opposed to circumcision, but I do believe you are overstating its case in your relationship problems. You live a lot in your head, and I think you might tend to scare women off.

  201. I’d guess that Minnesota has the highest number of circumcised females in the USA, thanks to those jolly Somalis.

  202. provide a link that justly summarizes your position on the issue

    I have a collection of links, but my thoughts are summed up as best i could in the previous comments. I would just be repeating myself.

    It is not a nice thing to do to someone.

    PA has written here some about the Disgust Threshold as a measure of character.

    How about watching some babies be strapped down onto a table and having their genitals mutilated?

    There are videos galore on youtube. They are awful to watch. You are watching a baby be strapped down and tortured.

    And lest anyone think that to be an exaggeration, go watch some videos first before responding.

    When i talk about people’s lives being “effected” [no sic] by that ritual of torture abuse and, yes, mutilation, evidence of that is those babies’ stress levels as measured by cortisol in the blood are elevated for months, if not a lifetime.

    Doing that to a baby is wrong. There is no argument that it is not wrong. The argument that it is not wrong goes against people’s pre-rational senses.

    On the other hand, people can be conditioned to much suffering.

  203. I am opposed to circumcision, but I do believe you are overstating its case in your relationship problems. You live a lot in your head, and I think you might tend to scare women off.

    I am glad to hear that you are opposed to it. That means you are a good person. I don’t think that there is a better measure of someone’s character than whether or not they are ok with altering the genitals of a baby or child.

  204. I agree it is wrong, but my point is there are many failed relationships in countries where the men are not circumcised. Russia has a sky high divorce rate.

  205. I agree 100% with Elk on the matter of male mutilation. Learning of its ubiquity in America was one of my life’s biggest culture shocks, and I’d previously been to third world countries where I took all of the weirdness in stride. 1982, east of Hajnal meets high-peak “judeo-christian” West, and it’s not exactly as aspirational in every way as the warmly smiling potrait of Jimmy Carter (my formative icon of the USA) previously beamed to me from the other side of the Curtain.

  206. Camlost, Kate’s haircut is for upscale ‘sharks, typically State U grad divorcees that date black dudes in Polo shirts. The low-end mudshark pulls her hair tightly straight up into a bun on top of her head. She dates the Untalented 90% and lives in their millieu. It’s part out of slovenliness and partly out of fear of black women that she understates her hair, her sole attractive feature.

  207. Cormac McCarthy writes a lot about the philosophy of what can be described with difficulty as: first principles; or operating paradigm; or existential rule.

    In his words “the Rule”. Just before Anton Chigurh destroys Moss, the professional killer (played by Harrelson) sent to bring him in, he asks him if he might want to re-think the Rule. Which lead him to that point about to get splattered out over the wall.

    Along those lines, if a baby’s penis is significantly and yes radically altered in its form and function, that person’s life is put into a channel in which it would otherwise not exist. Everything starts from there and there is no going back.

    Life is a cascading preference that occurs in the present moment that is the result of all things prior.

    ******************

    The Upper Midwest in the 70s had circumcision rates north of 90 per cent. Along with New England, the highest in the country and the highest in the non-jewish non-muslim world.

    Those same two regions are strongholds of liberalism. The correlation has to do with white people’s trusting nature and susceptibility to foreign and hostile memes. They trusted the medical establishment, against what would be common sense.

    The lowest rates in America were in the Southwest, which is cowboy country where men are men, and those are the guys that Cormac wrote about. Those people who lived closer to the land had the good sense to retain some control over their own births.

  208. The men I know from the Upper Midwest are physically tough. They are also liberal.
    I don’t get it. It is a weird combination.

  209. “The men I know from the Upper Midwest are physically tough. They are also liberal.
    I don’t get it. It is a weird combination.”

    Hey, when you just naturally EXUDE masculine charm, confidence and power, THEN one can afford to be generous, accommodating and forgiving about his fellow, lesser men.Along those lines, I tend to think of ‘democracy’ and ‘liberalism’ as my personal charity..

    ———————————————————————————————————-

    What is the conventional or standard reason currently given for why circumcision is still a routine in terms of delivery norms and procedures? .

  210. What is the conventional or standard reason currently given for why circumcision is still a routine in terms of delivery norms and procedures?

    GenX and Millennial moms are accustomed to snipped schlongs, which informs their decision when the delivery nurse asks. My guess anyway, because there isn’t any obvious institutional pressure in that direction that I’m aware of.

  211. Sometimes though, you are committed to starting out so strong as mother and father… Pushing forward against the “rituals” and then the “tradition” and then the “system” and then the burnout beckons. The mothers go down quicker and the astute father “sees” the game faster. Yet, there is still no synthesis. A white man and his woman get on the same Truth or it’s over and their children still need the light. So a wS father keeps pushing against the “rituals” and “traditions” and “system” of perpetuating white self-annihilation for his children’s sake.

    Keep pushing, Elk.

  212. Nikcrit…

    Is the flyer evidence of criminal sickness or not?

    What does that flyer actually say to you?

    Even as a “hoax,” it is still evidence of criminal sickness.

    Even as a “troll,” it is still a sign of criminal sickness.

    As IRONY…

    There is no irony. There is no parody. There is no satire.

    The flyer is foreshadowing the sexually degenerate anti-white Supremacist’s next COLLECTIVE MOVE.

    “You be racist for not fuggin’ me, white girl.”

    This appeals to both niggers, sandy-n-salty, and to the self-annihilating “white” degenerates like antifa.

  213. Nikcrit…

    Do you think I’m the only one to perceive your personal provocations always to be followed by you slyly slinking back within the spectators?

    If JPF is/was not just a false flag or even a half false flag and half truth (he really did kill people, but not for the reason MEDIATED) for the purpose of provoking and profiling lone white wolves THEN…

    I don’t play.

    IF JPF is really real then he is guilty where he killed the innocent and innocent where he killled (e)vil.

    As it stands and stood at his end, BOTH he and the State agreed that he did not kill (e)vil and only killed the innocent.

    But HE INITIALLY CLAIMED TO KILL out of racial hostility.

    A racial hostility that YOU after all these years and decades of life are now claiming to not either understand or claim is beyond the pale as expressed by Ryu’s favorable view of JPF.

    Did JPF have a reason to kill interracial couples who may have been explicitly for the annihilation of the white race? Does that kind of racial hostility DEMAND its own annihilation?

  214. Versace, a “man” versed in the fine fiddling of les crotchies, has a new, faggoty piece of fagit-prop called “Dylan (could thy be Storm Roof) Blue.”

    Check it. Chuck it. Wreck it.

  215. Versace is gay-azz gutter garbage guised in a female “white (s)upremacy.” Some fags eat it up like a candy bar of submissive turd while other fags use it as the rage to rape little white boys to get at their mothers for their very tortured existence.

    Believe it…

    Or not?

  216. TD – I’ve been meaning to ask your opinion on Hedi Slimane recently walking away from Yves Saint Laurent — and your position on the apparent decline of trilby fedoras out west.

    Two Versace polemics? Are you saying this in earnest?

  217. Reading this thread at the airport — a college-aged girl was covertly reading over my shoulder and started ‘talking’ on her phone (fake convo I’m pretty sure) about circumcision. Other people quickly started turning heads. In short, the rabble were roused. The BPD chick said some brutal things about circumcision that I won’t get into. I’ve never been more convinced.

  218. “Did JPF have a reason to kill interracial couples who may have been explicitly for the annihilation of the white race? Does that kind of racial hostility DEMAND its own annihilation?”

    Lol!! More smoke….. Some of it getting so dense that it’s blowing back up your ass and making your brain feeble and dizzy. F.F. or not, it’s telling that the first thing the JPF mention rised out of you was a miscegenation harangue; it was just a tad schedenfreudistically delicious to watch you have to mince words cuz you just can’t bear to put even JPF down in front of PA, Ryu or the other silly boys you play with in your alt-right tree fort club. That is some sorry-ass peer pressure on display.

    Whatever, man; PA was right. I, of course, made it a point to bring JPF up several times with little provocation; call it the halfrican’s reverse-Ronald Exantus moment, as i get pilloried with real-life violence cartoon characters too and routinely at alt-right and race-real sites. But even after we got some of the petty games and tit-for-tat out of the way, it was interesting to see what you white-solidarity cats would and wouldn’t concede in the air of exchange-level we had generated.

    Thor, I felt it was you who most had the covers pulled off him and was revealed in that exchange the other day. Most of the machinations you put into your ecumenial philosophical screeds are your creations rather than reactive cultural criticism.

    And now I realize that you always knew as much.

  219. — PA, Ryu or the other silly boys you play with in your alt-right tree fort club.

    Why are you here? Get off my blog with that attitude, you disrespectful little gamma fuck.

    — That is some sorry-ass peer pressure on display.

    Idiot.

  220. Exactly…

    Fool thinks JPF is so real that “we” have to play reject him or embrace him.

    Or…. He think racial hostilities are no reason to kill or die for?

    Twitchizzit?

  221. There is no need for bad feelings, PA. Nikcrit has taught you and all of us a valuable lesson.

    There is no “half” WN; one is either all the way in the boat, or not at all. Know well that Roosh and Jack Donovan are of the same type. Better to learn it now when it is cheap, than in the future when it may be permenant.

    I know of another mixlet who dabbles in the alt right. He is quite similar to Nikcrit. He is one of many, a type all serious WNs must become familiar with.

    That mixlet got me fired from a group blog. It was good, because it showed the owner would back a mino before a white. The owner was a closet-liberal, you see.

    White prison gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood and Nazi Low Riders also use mixlets for some purposes, such as cover. Are they decieved? Do they mistakenly believe that a mixlet could ever truly feel the WN cause, as a pure white man does? No.

    Do you think Roosh knows what would happen to him, if he tried sarging white girls in a true white ethnostate? …and, why do you think he “helps” WN?

  222. ,“you disrespectful little gamma fuck.”

    I am not being disrespectful; I’m leveling an opinion that is critical; I’m saying I think that T-daddy is in fact disrespectful in the way he often lectures me, you and others but won’t transgress certain taboos that should be transgressed; i.e., crackjobs like JBF…. I regret saying something critical that you take personal umbrage, but we do that here, all the time —- render honest opinion. And I’ve certainly taken lots of criticism here that I didn’t personally like. Out of the respect I genuinely DO have for you and others here, I will refrain from commenting that i suspect will be unpopular with its recipients but i believe that would be wrong for the integrity of the blog to date. But that’s not my call.

    “— That is some sorry-ass peer pressure on display.”

    Well, that’s how i felt about the mincing of words about JBF; my intention was not to insult anyone personally, but i felt that code of silence was sorta pathetic…. Just my opinion.

    If I didn’t respect the regular commenters here, i’m sure i wouldn’t have sustained back-n-forth with them for several consecutive years, like I have. Candor is one of the reasons for that longevity as well. I’ve personally felt both reluctant to be candid at times and unflattered by commenters who’ve been candid to me. And it would be disappointing to learn that such candor is allowed to go only one way.

  223. “Did JPF have a reason to kill interracial couples who may have been explicitly for the annihilation of the white race? Does that kind of racial hostility DEMAND its own annihilation?”

    No, it doesn’t demand as much.

    But more telling is this: the hypotheticals you suggest that builds up to the above question of yours are unjustified, IMO. None of those hypotheticals you list of JBF’s possible ‘reasons for being,’ are feasible or even logically suppositional. So, that is why I say these and other such scenarios of yours conjured are more or less ideological smoke ——- an excuse for you to either beg-off taking a position or ramrodding a position you were pre-disposed toward all along.

    That is the contention I’ve had with you about some of this stuff all along.

  224. Nikcrit…

    JPF is false flag as far I can tell. I am only familiar with him through Ryu and watched about a minute of the video that is posted to make my assessment.

    Please quote my “mincing” of words.

    If you take him at face value and then tell us that you can’t understand why he killed then you must play down the racial hostility that all genuine race realists know exists.

  225. I didn’t bother condemning John Paul Franklin’s actions because I felt that Nikcrit was trying to force our hands to do so. When you look at all the black people whose lives are improved and saved by the efforts of white people, John Paul Franklin becomes much less relevant. He isn’t even alive anymore, I’m not sure why he continues to be important.

  226. Even if you are opposed to miscegenation, killing mixed couples is stupid. Most of these white women are hardly worth getting upset over.

  227. That is something that Roosh also believes, Lara.

    Why should white men care if a few white women mix?

    The white race is going extinct. Every time a white woman mates with a mino, a white man loses his chance to have a family and several white children are not born. White females of breeding age are the rarest of all females on Earth.

    Roosh knows that. Every time he sleeps with a Polish woman, he reduces her ability to pair-bond a little bit, and makes divorce a little more probable. Multiply this by the number of Polish women Roosh has slept with. Then consider the number of mino men who think and do as Roosh does. The cost is great.

    A race that cannot protect its women, land and money is lost. It is the 27th precept:

    It is not constructive to hate those of other races, or even those of mixed races. But a separation must
    be maintained for the survival of one’s own race. One must, however, hate with a pure and perfect
    hatred those of one’s own race who commit treason against one’s own kind and against the nations of
    one’s own kind. One must hate with perfect hatred all those People or practices which destroy one’s
    People, one’s culture, or the racial exclusiveness of one’s territorial imperative.

  228. The best thing a white man can do for his race is be a high quality person. High quality white men are far more of an asset to our race than someone who goes and ruins his life like John Paul Franklin. People like JPF give race mixers far more importance than they deserve.
    I feel happy when I meet a high quality white man. People like JPF just depress me.

  229. Which type makes you feel more safe and secure?

    Every group needs soldiers. The reality of the demographic situation will be upon us within the next decades. Nice guys can’t do what Franklin did.

  230. I didn’t bother condemning John Paul Franklin’s actions because I felt that Nikcrit was trying to force our hands to do so.

    I agree with that interpretation of Trickin’s rhetorical tactics in this thread.

  231. It is easy to Condemn Violence but it is also a (civilizational) luxury to be in a position to do so.

    I would say that it is hypocritical to condemn the violence of the outlier WN nutjob, without preceding that condemnation with a considerable disqualifier in the form of,

    “After consider the 50 thousand racially motivated black-on-white murders in this country over the last 20 years — after considering those, what Watson did was also bad thing too. After all, we condemn violence!”

  232. Oklahoma all-american running back Joe Mixon knocks out white girl in sandwich shop. Local authorities tried to suppress the release of the tape but local media fought for access for years:

  233. — There is no need for bad feelings, PA (Ryu)

    We all roll with personal insults in good fun but anyone who considers the AltRight (or WN, or WS, or traditionalism) to be a “tree fort club” has no business communicating with others here.

  234. That tactic of asking us to condemn the actions of lone wolf Watson — and then condemning us for not doing so — reminds of the liberals tactic with Trump pre-election, asking him to accept the as-yet-to-be-determined results.

    They were asking Trump to commit to a course of action the channels of which course were yet to be formed — in other words Be a good boy.

    It was a sneaky tactic and which Trump handled brilliantly with his big ball parley.

    “We will see.” or something to that effect, he said.

    In the same way, the context of Watson’s actions would have to be clarified before the morality of them can be evaluated.

    Is killing someone always wrong, even during times of war?

    We are animals and fighting for territory. I don’t like the idea of killing people, and thankfully have never had to go there. But what about when it comes down to it and it is us or them?

    And it seems likely that it will come down to that — UNLESS sensible White advocates are able to preclude that awful possibility. But that is unlikely because History.

  235. lara, elk, PA, et.al,

    Look, I did NOT engage excess pomp and ceremony and citing Franklin’s squalidness; i WAS rhetorically galled by the awkwardness in no one outright disdaining Ryu citing him as a possible ‘hero’—- and suspected aloud that the reason that was not forthcoming was because of a sense of derring-do amongst alt-righters, probably one that developed from having to put up with liberal sanctimony for so long. I’ve acknowledged and have even taken the lead in citing as much and feel that should be considered in your current taking me to task.

    And while all that may be true and justified, some characters and ‘transgressors’ are beyond the pale, and could (should?) be deemed as much however galling is the larger context and history. My ‘tree-fort’ metaphor was to address the sense of “omerta’ amongst the white regulars here, who felt awkward (or uninclined) to disapprove of JBF in the company of their peers.

    In any case, I didn’t intend to so strongly pinch a nerve on that one; but in truth I routinely take in black racial put-downs and sarcasm that are much more scathing, and i can take it for the sake of the larger discussion.

  236. lara: “I didn’t bother condemning John Paul Franklin’s actions because I felt that Nikcrit was trying to force our hands to do so.

    Omerta: Moral absolute? or merely a dichotomy builder? And do some not distinguish one from the other?

    Answer that for me, Thor.

  237. I’m still waiting for the quote of minced words and a clear-cut assessment of the flyer?

    Where is it, Nikcrit?

  238. It is my understanding that our most important military forces are still primarily white. My local police force is all white. Those things make me feel secure.

  239. Thor, I said I felt the most obvious read of that anti wm sign was that it was designed with ironic commercial form, a la McLuhanesque “medium is mAssage,” etc….. Read it: it was my initial salvo on this topic…. I’m on shittey mobile media (hand held) til tonight… In the meantime, pls give me your specific parameters for the term “false flag.”

  240. I think what John Paul Franklin did was wrong and believe he deserved the death penalty. At the same time, I don’t hate him and possibly would even befriend him.

  241. Nikcrit…

    First… I’m ALWAYS on mobile… iPhone 5 to be exact… With a cracked screen for last two months. And it don’t do drafts.

    So there is NO IRONY in degenerate “white” anti-white Supremacists calling for the son and daughters of white Supremacy to fornicate with nonwhites for the purpose of annihilating the white race.

    But there is certainly a “medium is the MASSAGE” to it which I translated as foreshadowing the next sexually degenerate move of the anti-white Supremacists.

    And in a radically autonomous environment, ALL EVENTS are false flag FOREVER proving otherwise.

  242. In the race realist realm, any event both past and present that can be plausibly concluded to provoke the lone white wolf to pop, be persecuted or profiled is false flag first, second and third.

  243. “But there is certainly a “medium is the MASSAGE” to it which I translated as foreshadowing the next sexually degenerate move of the anti-white Supremacists.”

    RE: that ridiculous flier, calling for the ‘regenerate culling back’ of all white males, I ventured aloud that i didn’t think it was specifically pro-miscegenation anti-whites who conceived the flier; rather, that it was likely the work of unformed or half-formed white students who had little experience with “minos,’ period, and who were heavy handily copying the rhetorical style of ‘superstar anti-racist academics,’ who forged some of those ‘ironic’ criminalizing white male-type fliers in the late 70s/early 80s, a la Postman and Gitlin —— a brief pocket of time when outright academic Marxism developed into what I call and what that flier exemplified as “absurdist Marxist agit-prop’ —- which, in fact, at this late date is that much worse for wear but indeed what the fliers’ creator seemed to be inspired by…

    —————————————————————————————————————–

    Lara,
    You would really befriend that guy after he murdered innocents simply to be racially sacrificial lambs, and, even worse, killed innocent children just because an interracially paired “mino” didn’t happen by first? Really? (I wouldn’t have guessed as much).

  244. p.s.—– I don’t use iOS for reasons of principle: too expensive and Android works just as well for the extent and purposes for me and my needs. I use Motoroloa handhelds and like them best so far; i thought it was all interchangeable, but a recent hellicious episode with a LG phone wizened me quickly.

  245. He was a bad person and I don’t in any way support his actions. PA once called the black woman, who participated in the Christian/Newsom murder, “not human”. You replied that she is human, but committed a very inhuman act. That is how I feel about John Paul Franklin.

  246. O.T.@PA,

    While you guys had a moment of supreme prescient-ness in early November, this here interpretation of the meaning of the new administration personifies my alt-right/p.c. ‘amalgamation’ hypothesis advanced here in recent weeks, ya think?

    This has indeed been a very strange year; that above link would’ve been considered outright fantastical by many here a mere year ago. And to think that it is the brainchild of the upcoming chief strategist of the White House is just amazing……. some kind of grand catharsis is in the works, IMO

  247. T-daddy,

    Speaking of the endgame of America’s white-lib/black-collective symbiotic regression, just what do you make of that Bannon mash-up of the Grand Bard? That is pretty amazing from merely an ideogical possibility perspective IMO. Who could’ve foreseen that happening in recent mainstream political times?

  248. nikcrit- garbage like that makes it inevitable that some Grander Bard is now on the horizon. Those (occasional) depraved events/meldings are ultimately fodder for the permeable cannon of the language. The way things are going, the next Homer could make Shakespeare himself seem entirely graceless and off-color.

  249. “garbage like that makes it inevitable that some Grander Bard is now on the horizon.”

    I assume your above remark references Bannon’s Coriolanus revision. In my remarks here, i’m not concerned with its merits as art product in and of itself; i haven’t seen it, nor read any reviews about it.

    I’m speaking of its symbolic attempt to view its revisions as a way to bridge real and existing political constituencey divides; Bannon himself has described that as a goal of the work, (as well as a way to sew up disparate voter blocs for he and his for a long spell)… But even more generally, think about some of the discussions we’ve had on this blog, since you’ve been here and maybe a bit earlier via checking out the archives. Then consider how specifically Bannon’s treatise on the play addresses very idiosyncratic discussions held here and at similar blogs. I say that is quite remarkable; quite a sign that mainstream concerns are in sync with our own fascinations —— a possibility i admit to rolling my eyes at a few times when others had suggested it in the past.

    In any case, I don’t do the Nostradamus thing too well and tend to be skeptical toward those inclined to clairvoyance and making the rest of us marvel.

    But the shite is pretty weird IMO. I’d love to see this musical; or read the submitted pre-prod script. Gotta check into it more during winter break.

  250. I would speculate that Bannon is a true believer and he has convinced Trump that together they can bring white and black Americans back together. It is a grand conceit that eerily presages a soon-to-be conspicuous deceit.

  251. The illegitimacy of UncleBeast and AuntieFeast could never come by way of its relation to nigger whether Blood or Crip. In fact, niggers MAKE LEGITIMATE the profiling police state EVERYWHERE THEY ROAM. So white pill says nigger equals MORE UBAF.

    Only the wS ACTUALLY delegitimates UBAF each and everywhere he homes.

  252. Where Ryu slips on his assessment of JPF is in the instant evaluation of his phenotype.

    The first and most obvious “thing” one can see in JPF is…

    I’m not a real killer.

  253. UBAF is the most radically autonomous “entity” on the planet.

    UBAF is now virtually surreal and surely, really virtual.

    UBAF is anti-white Supremacy.

    So any white under the suspicion of killing blacks will now be bent to implicate “white supremacy” in exchange for “leniency.”

  254. As someone who once wrote a long paper on that beloved work, I’d be better off not knowing that Bannon did a hip hop “Coriolanus” in the past.

  255. Lest “we” forget, “Dylan Blue” massacred a mass of innocent black church ladies, their friends and some politician ’cause his nigger friends got to dabble and dribble in “white female supremacy” and not one of those orbiting pretty white boys gave him no fag eye.

    And not one damn riot since for that droopy-faced mass murdering “white supremacist.”

    GTFO.

    FakeNews Inc.

  256. Bannon is fundamentally a libertarian. The only real difference between “liberal” and “libertarian” is that the former thinks that the individual white Supremacist is evil while the latter just asserts that the GOVERNMENT of wS is evil.

    And so in each is a difference without distinction when both hit reality together and it is a symbiotic regression.

  257. Phenotypically, killers of the innocent are very distinguishable from killers of evil.

    And a dull mass suffers a severe equalitis to the very strict advantage of those who kill the innocent.

  258. EPG “…Islamic astronomers went far beyond Greek mathematical methods and provided essential tools for the creation of Western Renaissance astronomy.”

    Yes, that same slipshod assertion is echoed in that prep-ed reading-list staple mentioned in the last thread, “The Autobiography of Malcolm X.” Now i can get with the ethnic-specific ‘raise-yourself-from-your-own-vice’ narrative which is prime in that book, but my God, that story is also the proto-p.c. snowjob primer with all its dubious but proud assertions: that Van Gogh had black blood, that ‘Beethoven was a black man,” that Europeans stole secrets about physics and the origins of ….. space travel from nubians and the people from K!

    Why is that necessary? I’m proud of my primal, instinctive and in other ways, ummm, ‘vital’ heritage!

  259. The alt-rite
    Would say
    “Podesta is anti-white”
    Though he’s “jewhite”
    And Hillary’s
    Piggly pink
    Bill is still
    White
    All anti-white Supremacists
    Speak equally right
    From the left
    A coherency so tight
    High IQ “white” males
    Cannot decrypt
    With all their might
    So they’re stuck on stupid
    Proclaim “anti-white”
    When it’s anti-white Supremacy
    That they use to flip the script,
    All right?

  260. ” ….. space travel from nubians and the people from K! Why is that necessary?”

    As it stands, a strain of reckless & overdone surrealism is the apex of African creativity. Aime Cesaire’s “Journey to my Native Land” is, admittedly, impressive at times. And Dali had nothing on Malcolm X in his sheer exhibitionist chutzpah (suited more for holiday parades than anything). Who knows what tomorrow holds for the negro.

  261. As it stands, Whites & blacks are living too close for comfort. (To put it very lightly). From a proper distance, some genuine rapport can be sparked. This is what both peoples used to know instinctively everywhere. Some down south haven’t forgotten.

    More separation = more mutual understanding
    Less diversity = more “Styles,”
    etc.

  262. EPG: “Trump met with Bill Gates and K West on the same day in his tower. The man’s got a poetic streak. That unswerving brashness was America’s genesis. “

    Meant to note this last week, but this I agree with; it takes a certain unique gut instinct and swagger to do as much.

    (That, or that is simply how things simply panned out in terms of openings among the schedulers for the three titans)

  263. Titans DO NOT EQUAL anti-(white) Supremacists.

    At some point, Nikcrit, you should recognize how you ENFORCE an invertedly perverted reality.

  264. I’m surprised the they were honest with the Klan membership figures of around 5-8k nationally. (which means 1/3 of that in reality but I’m still shocked that the NYT didn’t say the KKK ranks are 1 million strong)

  265. At some point, when you are a Mess Madia manufacturing “white supremacists” out of thin air for the purpose of prophetably persuading a dull (white) mass into SOCIALIST action…

    And ALL YOUR TARGETS OF ATTACK deny the charge…

    IT IS GAME OVER…

    “You” have won…

    There are no REAL white Supremacists…

    Or… Shall “we” say… “You” do not attack real white Supremacists…

    Here I am… Here I am…

    Instead, “you” attack a phantom who never speaks sustained separation by striving towards Supremacy.

    This is a real white Supremacist.

    All that other shit is racialized socialism for dummies.

  266. Regarding the Anglin article, i had not read it myself, and it is pretty excellent. That site is for the kids, but they are the ones with the most energy.

    That article just lays it all out. And in fact in the comments the author’s revealing of all our secrets (in the form of meme explanations and such) is questioned.

    I bring this up because it has been suggested that the (((NYT))) is not able to get a handle on what is the AR — but it is laid out in brilliant detail in that there article. The article is 100 % insider and 100 % insider approved, and 100 % for the purposes of explaining to normies.

    So anyone who wants to know what is the Alternative Right, has no excuse not to know.

    The AR is “the Mob” that is White America that is willing to think for itself. It is that simple.

  267. Bill Clinton might have been indulging in the nostalgia of his presidency. The media used the “angry White men” line after the Republicans swept congress in 1994 and permanently nixed his more overtly liberal ambitions. Peter Jennings also said “America just had a tantrum” on air.

    I agree about the point of no return. They all have said “fuck it,” there is no pretense of effort to craft any narratives any more. Had Hillary won, they’d be going full-police state on us now.

  268. The alt-rite is Neo’s reaction to the white pill.

    Anglin falls off where genuine white Supremacy is concerned.

  269. I agree about the point of no return. They all have said “fuck it,” there is no pretense of effort to craft any narratives any more. Had Hillary won, they’d be going full-police state on us now.

    Yeah, and these Bill Clinton “angry white man” remarks come fresh on the heels of Obama’s comments last week that “I can’t help but notice that Southern whites view me differently” and “certain people suddenly have a problem with government jobs now that they’re going to blacks and Hispanics”.

    I am hoping that Obama says much, much more in the next few years. The more he is in the public eye, the better for conservative causes, as liberalism will constantly struggle to recreate his one-time phenomenon under the auspices of less charismatic (and less lucky) national candidates.

  270. A government run by Anglo/Germanic people is going to be far different than one run by African people. The head writer over at Very Smart Brothas has again stated he hates Trump voters and wants nothing to do with them. I hope more people say the same. I don’t want reconciliation.

  271. Typical comment caught by my spam filter, of which I get several daily. It shouldn’t be that hard to not sound spammy and foreign! Credit due — the misused ‘wanna’ shows some effort at colloquial:

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  272. That syntax reminds of those emails from lonely Russian women. I see it as someone who is trying to disguise the fact that English is their first language.

  273. thor: “And not one damn riot since for that droopy-faced mass murdering “white supremacist.”

    GTFO.

    FakeNews Inc. “

    No, not only no riots —— but the black congregational response of forgiveness and formally requesting Roof not receive the dealth penalty.

    So, are you saying in your above quote that it’s fake in that it didn’t happen? That it’s a mediated charade?

    Or, maybe it did happen and that unlikely folky black reaction is a spontaneous concession and makeup for all black-on-white murders, a sort-of ‘Dindu-nothing penance,’ no?

  274. What I’m saying, Nikcrit, is that there are no authorative forces outside the healthy-minded self that then isn’t just mob perception. “We” know the “default elite” manufacture false flags, edit stories to fit narratives, skew effects to elicit bias, etc. These are NOW the givens of “radical autonomy.”

    No nigger riots as reaction to the mass murder of female black church-goers by “white supremacy” is a FakeNews Inc. reaction of the whole black collective.

    Nikcrit… Have you dared to watch the videos of the relatives of those slain?

  275. “No nigger riots as reaction to the mass murder of female black church-goers by “white supremacy” is a FakeNews Inc. reaction of the whole black collective.”

    Let me zero in on this for purposes of clarity and understanding: “Fakenews Inc.” What exactly is that? Pseudo mediation after the fact? Or are you saying the whole thing was a hoax? That there were no actual murders that occurred, that the event and tempered-grieving aftermath was all a hoax?
    I’m literally asking; it’s not clear to me what you’re saying. Do you think the murders actually happened?

    Yeah, let’s start there: were people murdered in that church?

    Then I’ll answer your question re. the relatives, cuz i’m not sure you believe they were ‘slain.’

  276. “Nikcrit… Have you dared to watch the videos of the relatives of those slain?”

    A bit —— and I was struck by their lack of rage and bloodlust; so, are you saying that tempered reaction was manufactured via mediation? Or that that same media just very carefully picked and choosed reaction that was in cahoots with its own aims?

  277. I am saying that in a radically autonomous society, the cat must be both dead and alive wherever we desire and to our sole desire.

  278. Nikcrit…

    Not only did I answer you directly, I said there is absolutely no reason to believe the event to be real other than where YOU desire said even to be true.

    Where is the event true and where is the event manufactured in your mind? Or, are you claiming that no such demarcation exists? I say such demarcation is both a given and demands total clarity.

    Where do you actually stand?

  279. First, “Dylan Blue” possesses not ounce of evil in his phenotype.

    Second, Dylann Storm Roof was no genuine white Supremacist.

    Third, no nigger riots to a mass murder perpetrated by “white supremacy” against little old innocent black church ladies.

    Fourth, scantily clad coverage of the above and its inexplicable nonreaction so bare it was like reverse polar-baring naked. Blacks were so colllectively savaged by this one pathetic-looking white boy that a mass psychological paralysis commenced.

    Fifth, the down right weird and indefensible reactions of various family members to those who were mass murdered by a “racist.”

    Sixth, the nonexistence of the “racist” mass murder as a pretext to elicit a “grab guns” campaign against white male.

    And lastly, no alt-rite conspiracy theory. FakeNews Inc. is taken at de-faced value.

  280. Nikcrit…

    The primitive process of perpetuating self-annihilation is a mass delusion of “white supremacy.” When ruthless radical autonomist annihilates less ruthless radical autonomist, he mitigates the crime by accusations of “white supremacy.” This works like a literal charm for Jews, niggers, miggers, homodyke Halfrican jihadists. Not so much in the revenge of the nerd or the white Christian although he can work this delusion to his favor with malicious forethought and a dull white adversary.

  281. Imagine nigger
    Doing nigger
    Jump in my face
    Like a shitty chigger
    Touch tip his nose
    With tip of elbows
    A bloody mess
    And screaming hoes
    Beta cuck pig shows up
    Nigger says
    I call him “nigger”
    Go figure
    That script more dusty
    Than nerd’s trigger finger
    He fingers white Supremacy
    Cucked by a lifetime
    Of linger
    For longer
    Duck doggled
    Black emasculated
    By cucked father
    Deracinated
    By single mother
    Who did it all by herself
    With help from all “others”
    A massive conspiracy
    The globe over
    Anti-white Supremacy
    The Done World “Order….”

  282. Why isn’t Putin
    Pushing for war
    Against a limped wristed
    MRKN whore?
    Blame the neo-cons
    Con Billy Bob
    Throw out another
    Psychoptic door
    Sees an opening
    Cross an ocean floor
    Kill jihadis
    And then some more
    Communists win
    Cause so run accord
    From East to West
    Per a Polish sausage cord
    Faggy Versace links Tom Ford
    Chevy chase
    Slavic female lore
    Fascist alt-rite fashion
    Dealin’ blue
    A stop sign
    Left
    On the floor
    Surrender too
    White pill
    In his drawers
    Who wears his pants?
    He can eat it anytime
    Swallow gore
    Gored to death
    He beg for bore
    Humps a boar
    Hops aboard
    Flops abroad
    Slaps a broad
    A roar bereft
    He’s lyin’ core
    A ball of falseness
    High IQ red dawns US
    And KGBees sting forward…

  283. et.al,

    I asked Thor daddy if he literally belives Dylan Roof killed anyone, and you all here witnessed his long, rambling non-answers above.

    so: I ask you: do you believe Roof literally killed the people he is accused of killing? FWIW, I think it’s obvious that he did literally commit murder—– but apparently that is not a unanimous belief here, going by Thor’s evasive yet skeptical screed.

    Does anyone here think that he did NOT commit the acts he is charged with?

  284. Why do you care what Thordaddy believes? He laid out his seven points, and whichever way you make up your mind about what happened in Charleston is up to you.

    I’m familiar with arguments that Sandy Hook and similar events had been faked and involved crisis-actors speaking on the news. I’m agnostic on those theories and I don’t rule out such scenarios.

  285. “Why do you care what Thordaddy believes?”

    I don’t per se. Rather, I inquire to verify just what is our collective ‘field of reality and evident truth’ here. Because if there’s no consensus on ‘given facts,’ there’s no clear avoidance of fundamental miscomprehensions.

    To wit: I thought there existed basic consensus here that Roof indeed did shoot those people that he’s charged with shooting. But apparently I was wrong, and upon learning I was wrong I just wanted to verify where others stood in terms of ‘the facts.’

  286. @elk,
    I see that. I thought there was consensus on the fact that Roof indeed did shoot those people: his confession of the acts, his offering a purported motive—– but that too could be part of the larger charade.

  287. My own views on such things are as follows.

    9/11. A starting point is that the WTC 1, 2, and 7 were demolished.

    Sandy Hook and Charleston and other such shootings. Very much hard to say. The idea that it is entirely fabricated and done up with crises actors seems far-fetched, but on the other hand look at 9/11. The story about that was (in my opinion) largely fabricated.

    Another slant on those spree shootings is that the shooters are mind-controlled to some degree, either firmly with Manchurian candidate style programming, or that they consistently destabilized with psych meds and as such are a more ‘organic’ outgrowth of a sick society. But even that angle, of being the casualties of a sick treatment system, is overlooked or regarded as conspiracy territory.

    Some of those incidents are this and some are that. My hunch would be that Charleston did occur and that Sandy Hook may not have. However i don’t follow those stories.

    The Moon Landing. Up for debate. 9/11 indicates that everything is up for grabs.

    ****************

    The meta-point to be drawn from this is that no one knows and everyone has an opinion.

    A thread on the Daily Stormer forum called something like I was Red-pilled Recently and Now I Can’t Sleep has the original post along those lines and then asking for advice about how to cope. The original post seems like a troll because it goes on to ask the forum members what is actually going on in the world, in politics and behind the scenes and who is really in control and where exactly DO the jews fit in? … as if there is an answer; which there is and isn’t (depending on what makes for an answer!).

    And sure enough some forum member says that in response: You know, everyone only has an opinion.

    But that little snippet goes to the difference between the “received narrative” and the open-ended query that is the AR, which i have also heard described as the difference between post-modern debate and modern discourse, where the first is based on an established answer and working to fit the facts to the narrative, and the second is honest inquiry.

    And in that episode on that forum thread, some Hasbara troll cannot see the AR for what it is, which is honest debate, and thinks that its members are doing as he does which is to work backward from a starting point.

  288. “A thread on the Daily Stormer forum called something like I was Red-pilled Recently and Now I Can’t Sleep has the original post along those lines and then asking for advice about how to cope.”

    Help me with this, please…

  289. “And in that episode on that forum thread, some Hasbara troll cannot see the AR for what it is, which is honest debate, and thinks that its members are doing as he does which is to work backward from a starting point.”

    Trie in the sense that i am sure that does happen. But what I take umbrage with is this: if we’re going to go with this ‘everything is suspect” and “nothing is to be presumed” attitude, then it should apply when ‘presumed facts and events” are convenient and INconvenient to your particular subculture’s pet theories and beliefs.

    Instead, we see some rather, umm, convenient, validations of conspiracies and events from time to time.

  290. The other meta-point about the lack of consensus on the reality of current events, is that such a lack of consensus does not bear on our first principles.

    Whether or not We landed on the Moon! White people would do well to advocate for themselves.

    Whether or not WTC 7 was demolished (it was), White Americans would do well to craft their own stories.

    Whether or not Dylann ‘note the spelling’ Roof shot up that Charleston church, White Americans would do well to keep on eye on their children and how they are brought up.

    Whether or not Sandy Hook was a staged crises (that did not actually happen) — School is Hell.

  291. if we’re going to go with this ‘everything is suspect” and “nothing is to be presumed” attitude, then it should apply when ‘presumed facts and events” are convenient and INconvenient to your particular subculture’s pet theories and beliefs.

    Instead, we see some rather, umm, convenient, validations of conspiracies and events from time to time.

    Give some examples.

    *******

    Like i said in my previous comments, this is honest inquiry and everyone has an opinion, and no one the definitive answer.

    Trickin — YOU are that Hasbara troll and the quoted selection is a perfect example, in that you are looking to categorize the AR into an official position on what happened in regard to current events.

    So i repeat: the AR has no official position on what happened in these current events. It is YOU, Trickin, along with your fellow trolls, who are looking to engage in post-modern argument by establishing the false premises that definitive interpretations of controversial events would be.

  292. “Whether or not We landed on the Moon! “

    Well, in recent weeks we also talked about the huge cultural shift in mediation that this country went through.
    And one of the key facets of the switch from bigtime “one-to-many” media to “many-to-many” media is that, nowadays, everything is suspect and anything is possible…..

    Unfortunately, it seems to be true that “no big-brother media’ means no media culpability.

  293. Instead, we see some rather, umm, convenient, validations of conspiracies and events from time to time.

    Give some examples.”

    Examples would be thordaddy’s position that Franklin was a non-real event or something.

    But to repeat the important point: the AR has no consensus on 9/11, the Moon Landing, Sandy Hook, or Charleston.

    And further and more importantly: the dubious and controversial interpretations surrounding those things, HAVE NO BEARING on the First Principles of AR, which are that White People Exist and will advocate for their interests.

    And further further, it is the trolls and trolls only who fixate on pegging their arguments into interpretive holes surrounding those events.

  294. Can someone define “false flag” for me? I have no idea what that means.

    And as far as “conspiracy” stuff goes I can’t imagine why it would be needed. The liberals have been pretty blatant about their intentions as evidenced by their love for 3rd world immigration, their obsession with white defendants like Duke Lacrosse, their portrayal of Michael Brown or Omar Thornton as heroes and most recently the Podesta emails talking about the Democrats wanting “favorable Demographics” and a borderless world.

    Considering their open and obvious intentions it wouldn’t make sense to do the clandestine work of going to rural South Carolina to recruit some shiftless 19 year-old, pill addicted high school dropout for some “operation.”

  295. The AR can be accused of “working back from a starting point” and fitting events to fit into that.

    Such a starting point is the First Principle that we exist as a people.

    ***************

    So it has to be conceded that ‘narrative interpretation’ goes both ways — that yes, the AR is ‘guilty of that too.

    Which was the point that nikcrit was getting at, and i agree with it.

    But as long as First Principles are out in the open, then everything is on the up.

  296. “But to repeat the important point: the AR has no consensus on 9/11, the Moon Landing, Sandy Hook, or Charleston.”

    I would agree and even say that the AR has no consensual “interpretation” of those events. But that the AR and the vast majority of the public, period, draws consensus in agreeing that htose events indeed happened , i.e., no big contingent says there were no shots fired, etc.

  297. Traditionally, False-Flag operations were an action in which a party seeking a legitimate casus belli would dress its own operatives/patsies in the enemy’s uniform (“false flag”) and have them commit an attack on your own asset.

  298. yeah, that’s my admittedly layman’s understanding of ‘false flag.’…. idk, if you concede that, then one might as well shrug out a ‘who knows?’ to every assertion, ‘cuz unless you’re among the elite intelligence source, how could humble lil’ nikcrit really know?

    PA: I read a few stories about the political fallout for Merkel from the Berlin attack the other day; how it might be the event that kicks off the politicized domino effect that will collapse the EU.

    What is the sentiment toward the possibility of the E.U. staying intact but being a European natoinalist model? Or does its mere blurring of the sovereign nation states imply ‘universalism?’

    Is there a politically soluble element open to European-wide nationalism today?

  299. Those are good question, too big for me to address in a short comment. The EU is not the first time that a unification of the continent was tried. The most recent “EU” stretched from the Pyrenees to Stalingrad.

  300. Yes, perhaps an interesting column would be to put up a hypothetical map of Europe divided into sovereign cultural and ethnic ideals and practicalities in the manner that you and SOBL did with your idealized ‘post-ethnostate’ maps of the U.S.

    Surely, there’s enough give-n-take among the Slavic states and the romantic states and the kingdom states and Anglo-Saxon states to draw some intra-European borders that are racially fortifying yet ethnically distinctive, no?

  301. I think it was HBD Chick who created (or she at least popularized) the Hajnal Lines map of Europe. It has the core of the continent consisting of Germany, France, and England and the periphery that includes Ireland, Iberian Peninsula, Italy, and points east of Germany.

    My opinion is that Eurpean countries, unlike US states, are mostly drawn true to their national and cultural groups, mostly identified by language and shared ancestry. Some countries include micro-nations that are not actively seeking autonomy (Poland has Kashubs, Silesians, and Highlanders, all of whom have their own dialects), others like Spain have independence-minded nations within.

  302. This is a gut-level la yman’s perception, but ever since i was old enough to have a fairly sensible notion of race and ethnicity and world geography, i consider the ‘essence of caucasian-hood’ to be embodied by the Scandinavian countries; its extreme arbitrated middle-most essence by the WASP and countries; and the romantic and other southern-European countries to be the ‘less-white’ countries, the mongrel-Euro nations……… Not a politically polite interpretation; but an gut-level reflex from someone with ‘no skin in the game,’ ethnically speaking, and a view that i bet many other disinterested Rustbelters would ascribe to.

  303. Also: Eastern-Europeans are like those ‘less-white’ Russians, and southeastern Europeans are the eventual demarcators marking wihtes from Asians and Arabs.

  304. There is a video circulating about rape in Sweden. All these Swedish people are adamant that the rapes have absolutely nothing to do with all the immigrants they’ve brought in. There is something very out of whack with the Swedish mindset. I’m glad I don’t have any Scandinavian blood.

  305. Anglos:
    – At their best: Leaders, innovators, conquerors. Makers of liberty and prosperity.
    – At their worst: Totalitarian moralizers. Their arrogant leadership might destroy us all. Too cosy with Jews.

    Germanics and Nordics
    – At their best: Thinkers, craftsmen, musicians. Swiss village at their best.
    – At their worst: Their penchant for mindless obedience may well destroy us all. Inability to moderate their political system — it’s always full-retard with them, be it nationalism or multikult.

    Celtics
    – At their best: Fighters, explorers, bards
    – At their worst: Drunk, impulsive, no self-control.

    Slavs
    – At their best: Poets, rebels, Judeosceptics, wreckers of tyrannies
    – At their worst: Disorderly, fatalistic, drunk.

    Mediterraneans
    – At their best: Artists, creators of the good life and givers of beauty
    – At their worst: Lazy, dishonest, intrigue-mongerers.

  306. Unhinged man in upstate NY shoots a UPS driver on his route and claims that he shot Donald Trump.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/man-accused-killing-ups-driver-killed-donald-trump-article-1.2917660

    National media silent, does not pick up story or associate the violence with Hillary or her supporters at all. If the political parties were reversed and someone shot a woman they mistook for Hillary I think the media response would be much different – both Hillary and MSM somehow managed to point blame at the “Trump climate” for the Orlando gay club shooting, though. (as if radical Muslims suddenly starting taking their cues from Trump after he won the GOP nomination)

  307. Nikcrit…

    You asked me if I “literally believe” in “Dylan Blue.”

    My DIRECT answer is that “no,” I need not literally believe ANYTHING mediated. This is LIBERATION per se. And only radical liberation when one is an actual “I witnessed” who eyewitnesses the literal reality under question.

    Ergo, there is no LITERAL REASON for YOU to believe in “Dylan Blue” who lost an “in” and blew a screw, offed innocent black church ladies and not a single nigger drooled.

  308. Read that last paragraph again… Take it as fact and let it sink in… Why you desire this truth, one can only begin… To recognize the obvious bend… NIGGERS hate innocent, old, black church ladies and don’t give a fugg even when… They are mass murdered in a house of worship by the “white supremacist’s” grin.

  309. Let’s imagine “Dylan Blue” has this whole event played out in his mind and over time he leaks parts here and there over the cyberspace. Those accessing the “fruits” of “open-sourced” laboring put “Dylan Blue’s” script together naturally cohering to his geographic location. There are, in the aggregate, “Dylan Blues” EVERYWHERE the radical autonomists rival. It is now well established that one is ABLE to mitigate the severity of his transgression by implicating the odious force of “white supremacy.” This magic incantation of “white supremacy” can work in a myriad of manners with a “Dylan Blue”-like incident necessitated by a desire of one radical autonomist(s) to put a hit out on another radical autonomist(s). The degree of “false flag”-ness runs the gamut from entirely scripted to entirely real YET a mediated narrative that is entirely false.

    The only other position is to accept the entire event at face-value. This is tantamount to lunacy. But, so is perpetual uncertainty.

    You only beat radical autonomy with white Supremacy.

    Everyone knows this and no one knows this.

  310. Lara,
    That blind Swedish theoretical stubbornness in the face of evidence logic and truth and reason, I believe, is an example of a genetic trait embodying that “White Man’s Burden” obligation I’ve spoken of here.

    How else might you explain such a willful denial of evident reality?

  311. Nikcrit…

    There is a good argument for the 9/10 Nordic of lore as the orIgination of “radical autonomy” and the memetic propagation of an inherent right to self-annihilation.

  312. Thor, if that’s so then it’s shameful & ominous. In the colonial sense, the Nordic west is NEEDED as a civilizational model, if not a literal POLITICAL model… I sometimes wonder if that is clear in the gist of my overall commenting thrust, how much an imperative that is….. I have love for all but no illusions!

  313. But you should wonder just WHY the Nordic of lore would be compelled toward said “radical autonomy,” at times in the face of total obliteration, if not for that divine and fateful burden I suggest.

    Do you ever wonder as much?

  314. MTV news makes video on “2017 resolutions for white guys” then quickly deletes it.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/20/mtv-news-offers-2017-resolutions-for-white-guys-bl/

    Excerpts:

    “First off, try to recognize that America was never great for anyone who wasn’t a white guy,” a woman says in the video.

    “Can we all just agree that Black Lives Matter isn’t the opposite of all lives matter? Black lives just matter. There’s no need to overcomplicate it,” another woman says.

    “Also, Blue Lives Matter isn’t a thing,” the white guy adds.

  315. Nikcrit…

    The idea is that the more you come to see yourself as a particular “thing,” the more acutely aware you are of your particular extinction. After this, it is a mere extrapolation towards varied collectives. The 9/10 Nordic is the most particular Nordic and surly closest to annihilation amongst all Nordics. So “we” should expect to witness the most radical of Nordics being the 9/10 grade and a mere one step from Final Liberation. What most 9/10 Nordics seem to lack is the awareness of a dueling “radicalness” that is one step to conversion to white Supremacy.

  316. I believe Thor’s riffs re. Durham types. Their exalting the right of their mother’s right to annihilate their very existence. Proto politics at their purist. …. But what led her there?

  317. The Nordic scale is a simplistic device essentially insinuating more or less Nordic. The more Nordic being aware of his Nordicness and the less Nordic being indifferent to the dying remnants of a Nordicism within.

    9-10 Nordic is most keenly aware is his Nordicism and its “brink of annihilation” existential status. What “we” see in the Scandinavians is the last step before Final Liberation, BUT NOT a next step to white Supremacy. Both steps are wholly radical while the latter step is surly Holy. Life being more than just death and survival, there seems a metaphysical obliteration of the 9-10 Nordic.

  318. MTV news makes video on “2017 resolutions for white guys” then quickly deletes it.

    MTV took it down amid protests of anti-white racism, which is interesting because prior to Trump, MTV was running anti-white propaganda like this 24/7. Granted, MTV hasn’t been relevant in years, but this is a great omen for what’s to come now that the alt-right has entered the mainstream.

  319. These people are so disconnected from reality they don’t even realize how much their precious Overton window has shifted this year, and it’s not shifting back. We are #woke and fed up with this crap.

  320. Curryvinus still spouting off briliancies in the alt-right-o-sphere, this time at iSteve:


    December 22, 2016 at 5:12 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @Maj. Kong
    “Well, there’s no white privilege to be found in Japan. No diversity either, though. Funny how that works.”

    Corvinus says:

    Not funny. Just reality. America was founded by ethnic diversity. Japan was isolated for thousands of years until, ironically, America forced it to open up its borders for our trade goods. Invade the world, invite the world.

    WT*F ?!! ^^^^ Curryvinus is insane, we need to restrict immigration from whatever crap*istan his forebears came from originally.

  321. So disconnected from reality = radical autonomy…

    And in an “open source” environment, self-annihilators rely on the “intellectual right” to propagate the concretization of particularly acts of “radical autonomy.”

    I recognized the conceptual pitfall of “radical autonomy” very early on which was in making widely known acts of “self-annihilation” via the amplifying effect of the Internet.

    Take the Knoxville atrocity… It became a new “standard” for radical nigger autonomy that must now be “topped” by an even more radical nigger. This is perpetuating self-annihilation… This is all-out degeneracy. Yet, it does not stop at the nigger. There are also sand and soiled niggers too.

    Yet the real kicker is so many wiling “whites” ready to be “randomly” annihilated so as to serve as martyrs for an even more Diverse State. So in their Final Liberation, they are the realization of a perpetuating white self-annihilation. {{{They}}} become the self-annihilated “falsification” of genuine white Supremacy.

    It’s like blowing yourself up to smash seventy-two virgins FOR ALL ETERNITY.

    Pointlessly nihilistic.

  322. And as a nod to Nikcrit, the Knoxville Atrocity must now be considered “false flag” first as a matter of sane default positioning. Yet, its truthiness is without reservation. In other words, the event is entirely believable, but the media is not.

  323. I respectfully say that you and others who prefer a traditionally conservative norm in terms of intercultural interaction are overlooking the very real and constant x-factor of European technology and the cultural shifts it produces;

    The technology is already here. If you don’t know what CRISPR is, you should familiarize yourself now

  324. Hi MGE,
    Happy new year. And thanks for that vid; it’s a good, tidy explanatory for when you lay the big, bad foreboding future on someone in these conversations; I myself am hesitant to do as much, because it can and is so often a sort-of overall ‘catchall’ way of diverting the argument.

    Yet, as you’re vid demonstrates, it’s very true —– that this transformative innovations are not far-off pipedereams but real technologies that, in many cases, are already up and running.

    Damn, you white folks are always changing the game on us! Whatcha all gonna think up next?

    Happy New Year to y’all.

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