Their Phony Newfound Love for the White Working Class

We just covered one ruse that the defeated Democratic party is trying to pull on us, the call to come together as a nation. Here is their second move — Bernie Sanders is “deeply humiliated” by the Democrats’ loss of White working-class voters.

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Politicians whose name is not Donald Trump sound as natural talking about the White working class as Bob Dole did when stammering “er, I am for Soccer Moms.” Because a person identifies with focus-group shorthand.

And what makes someone “White working class” anyway? Is it a regional accent, a suite of mannerisms? The non-possession of a bachelor degree, the ability to change engine oil, the ownership of a gun and a Bible? Maybe. Income bracket? I dunno; some have given up on finding a job, others make excellent living. Around here they have those hawkish faces like they’re making up their minds on whose ass to kick. When America was great, a doctor and a carpenter could be neighbors. But whatever, Bernie — they’re White, they work like none other, and unlike some politicians who cash in on their principles, they have class.

In a multicultural democracy, politics become mercenary and the job of political parties is to expand their market share of constituencies by dispensing gibsmedats and flattery. So when Trump champions an under-served demographic, the more enterprising Democrats position themselves to capture their share.

Why am I telling to you to rebuff the Democrats’ apparent overture to you and yours? Because they are like the insurance company that wants to send you off with a near-worthless check as compensation for your stratospheric medial bills and a totaled car.

But you remember who you are. You have Thomas Jefferson’s sovereign yeoman in your blood, therefore by birthright you find the rhetoric of pity demeaning and the expectation that you take your place as just another interest group in a hodgepodge of folks unacceptable. So you refuse the $600 Blue Book value for your damages — you go for the big enchilada of settlements.

You want your country back, all of it. They all have to go home. “Make America Great Again” is not just an election slogan.

The rushing river splits into a fork and you will have to choose your course. The first way leads to an eternal submersion. The second way gives you a chance to stand upright in a country of your own. You’ve already cleared the continent once.

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194 thoughts on “Their Phony Newfound Love for the White Working Class

  1. The unraveling of the Obama coalition continues, it’s an unwieldy bunch of people who couldn’t even get a road paved or keep the trains running in the real world for 5 minutes without that “substrate” of white males to do the civilizational heavy lifting. (as Elk would call it)

    If the Democratic Party really does make a point to reach out to the “white working class” it’s only going to anger their other butthurt pet constituencies like blacks and illegal immigrants.

    I’d estimate that every time a Democratic Leader goes on media and actually says the term WWC it will roughly equal one less black vote in 2020. bwaahahaha

  2. I agree with Camlost. Any attempts to win back the white working class will alienate a significant portion of their party. Their whiny rhetoric does nothing to inspire working class people.

  3. Another thing that continues to zoom straight over the heads of clueless Democrats is their obsession with “climate change.” The white working class doesn’t care.

    They think it’s wildly popular with whites in general but only a portion of the 30% of Amercan whites with degrees care about it enough to even consider it a political issue at all. Of course, blacks and Hispanics have no particular opinion on it, they’ll just nod their heads to anything the Dem party puts forth since they’re never the ones paying for anything.

    Obama and Sanders have both said that “climate change is our biggest threat to world security.” Yes, even bigger than terrorism.

    Trump criticized them:

    “I think it’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen, or perhaps most naïve,” Trump said. “He actually is somewhat naïve, if you want to know the truth, beyond the incompetent part.”

    LMAO

  4. “When America was great, a doctor and a carpenter could be neighbors.”

    I remember those days. The days of my youth in suburban San Diego County. Going down to the shopping center at Christmas-time and seeing all the people in the community talking to each other, laughing, remembering, loving. Going to church on Sunday morning and seeing people from ALL walks of life socializing before and after the service outside the sanctuary. Little League baseball – my teammates and buddies with all kinds of dads – my dad worked at a local aircraft plant, my buddy’s dad was a manager at a Radio Shack, another buddy’s dad was a longshoreman, another a banker. I can’t tell you how cool that was to be a part of that time. I long for that again. I’m kinda there now, as a high school teacher. I don’t ever want to forget where I came from.

    White working class? Those slimy rumpswabs (thanks, ZMan) have never spent an hour with the WWC – quit talking like you know us. You don’t know us. You never will.

  5. The unraveling of the Obama coalition continues, it’s an unwieldy bunch of people who couldn’t even get a road paved or keep the trains running in the real world for 5 minutes without that “substrate” of white males to do the civilizational heavy lifting. (Camlost)

    One of my black liberal friends on Facebook posted a series “whitelash” themed screeds in the Millennial literary style I call “emotional diarrhea.” But as the reality of the Trumpening set in, he followed with a long conciliatory post, in which he envisioned America as “a blank white canvas” on which “all the colors can come together to make a beautiful portrait.”

    I realized, my God, this is exactly how many of them see us: the utilitarian “blank white canvas” for them to paint their “vibrant” picture on. How racist is that?

  6. That’s why WNs must demand proof of being pro-white.

    It is not commonly understood, but moderate WNs ARE MORE dangerous than extemists. Moderates can’t go all the way. No moderate can bring WNs what they want.

    Bernie Sanders is a New York Jew. He’d have to do some serious work to atone for that. He can start by giving Palestinians their own country, and cooling his Holy-Cost racket.

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  8. — Little League baseball – my teammates and buddies with all kinds of dads – my dad worked at a local aircraft plant, my buddy’s dad was a manager at a Radio Shack, another buddy’s dad was a longshoreman, another a banker. I can’t tell you how cool that was to be a part of that time. (SoCalMike)

    I remember the tail end of that in the early 1980s.

    — this is exactly how many of them see us: the utilitarian “blank white canvas” for them to paint their “vibrant” picture on. (MGE)

    The late Lawrence Auster wrote a good deal about that. He analyzed the liberal worldview as a morality play between bodiless spirits (Whites) who can either be angels or devils, depending on how they serve the spiritless bodies (Coloreds). For my part, I remember way back, ten-plus years ago, I told black commenters that we are not “feed for muds.” I used another word in lieu of muds, forgot which one.

    The black friend of yours exhibits the limitation of possibly all non-Europeans, an inability to comprehend the fact that people outside of their race have their own identity, agency, destiny; it’s all about their utility to them. I am not even talking about chosen attitude of opportunism. I am talking about a fundamental cognitive limitation.

    — Bernie Sanders is a New York Jew. He’d have to do some serious work to atone for that. (Ryu)

    I never trusted him. He always seemed to me a con-man with chutzpah. Justly or not, he reminded me of another Bernie: Madoff.

  9. “White working class” registers as an unseemly box that too many productive whites are willing to put themselves in for the sake of a phony collective front.

  10. — “White working class” registers as an unseemly box that too many productive whites are willing to put themselves in for the sake of a phony collective front.

    Nobody really calls himself “working class”, just like no woman called herself “soccer mom” 20 years ago. My third paragraph said that.

  11. “I never trusted him. He always seemed to me a con-man with chutzpah.”

    The hilarious irony there, of course, is that you offer trust and fealty to the true and proven political “con-man with Chutzpah,” while disdaining the politician of service and sacrifice, at least comparatively and i would argue in any zero-sum measure as well.

    So maybe you’re right; that makes sense to you because Trump is the comrade-in-arms Goy and Bernie, despite any qualifying measures is always in the end going to be The Jew, no?

    [I don’t see many qualifying measures in Sanders. As to Jews, I also mentioned Larry Auster in the same comment and have previously referred to him as a mentor — PA]

    Trump answered a lot of questions on what he was going to be about as a politician today.

  12. Bernie has always been a national nonentity. Vermont loves him, he should stay there.

    He never had any legitimate shot at winning the nomination of the Black Party.

    [good sum-up — PA]

  13. PA…

    I wasn’t really making hay of your use of the term. The term is in use already, but the question remains to what end? Its employment within the Narrative ultimately serves to MINIMIZE the autonomy of the productive white man, IMHO. First, because this is the very nature of our liberated language and secondly, because there just IS NO collective coalition of white working class individuals.

    A sane white man does not work to join a herd. A sane white man has to fight to merely exercise his maximum moral autonomy. Ideally, such white men who attest to these basic axioms can coalesce as a voluntary collective. Yet, such a voluntary collective will not form a solid core without desire for objective Supremacy.

    White Supremacy is the cover and pages in which the Narrative is impressed upon.

  14. You want your country back, all of it. They all have to go home. “Make America Great Again” is not just an election slogan.

    The rushing river splits into a fork and you will have to choose your course. The first way leads to an eternal submersion. The second way gives you a chance to stand upright in a country of your own. You’ve already cleared the continent once.

    LOL! Yes, this is pretty much what I’ve been saying on Twatter. PA, you must read my Twits.

    [I claim full creative credit but you can say it’s a case of minds coming together. — PA]

    Time to stand tall, friends.

  15. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I’ve managed to secure the home address of noted anti-White figure Tim Wise.

    I’ve just noted that they’ve recently take additional steps to hide it.

    Too little too late, motherfuckers.

  16. I was talking with an old friend and colleague in Dallas yesterday. He’s a wealthy real estate investor and right-wing Trump supporter, and is pretty much retired now. He owns several properties in the downtown area, and lives in one from which he says he can see protesters on the streets below. He invited some good ol’ boys over for beers last weekend, and they entertained themselves by talking about how they could easily clear the streets of the anti-Trump terrorists. Dangerous talk, maybe. I sometimes get the impression our adversaries grossly underestimate what they’re up against.

  17. Truly a mob of self-annihilators DEMANDING extermination with their public parade of parasitism. “They” want it and the “system” MANDATES the sacrifice. It will happen.

  18. At this point, people like Tim Wise are the best recruiters for the alt right as young males start to wake up, flee the sissified left, and search for something more fitting.

  19. The question then becomes the mad media attempt at defining the culprit particularly in relation to “white supremacy.” And it is within this Narrative that a perpetuating “white” self-annihillation is sustained by way of reverse psychology. A dull “white” mass is appalled by such “white supremacist”-inspired extermination and colored parasites grow more numerous on the disintegrating flesh of the sacrifical “white” liberationist.

  20. Trump answered a lot of questions on what he was going to be about as a politician today.

    To borrow a phrase: There are limits to politics.

    The System is likely too complex and corrupt to be manageable.

    More significant than Trump’s cabinet appointments, by a factor of ten thousand million, is that White Americans voted him in.

    The AR is not an ideology to be defined. It is dissatisfied and high energy White people who are not dead.

    If Trump does not address the concerns and problems that we face, then Trump is irrelevant and will be cast aside. I think he knows this, and that he wants to be relevant, and to go down in history as addressing our concerns and problems.

  21. The Alternative Right will not be defined until our problems are addressed.

    It is in the solving of our problems that the AR is defined.

    That is the “terrible reality” of it, of Kek come of Life.

    Who is Kek?

    That questions is what happened to John Galt.

    *************

    These questions that we have will be swept aside, no longer.

    Do groups of people exist and represent their own interests and do those interests include inhabiting and maintaining their living space, and are White Americans a group of people? and if not white Americans, how about French (people)?

    Globalism is predicated on a dehumanizing arrangement. It is based on easy energy, it is falling apart as we speak and the future is race based.

  22. Who is Kek?

    “It” is the diabolical laugh behind the “revenge of the nerd.”

    He isn’t intent on “burning it all down.”

    He desires to destroy objective Supremacy absolutely.

    This ^^^ is a powerful IQ.

    You know what I’m saying high IQ “white” male Elk who has taken a sharp turn for his better?

  23. Twitter has purged several alt right accounts, including Radix and Spencer, who had been nothing but a class act on twitter.

    Cleric Mohammad Al-Areefi, who supports ISIS, curiously remains active.

    This is war.

  24. I’m on Gab.ai (as @PA_01) but inactive because I’ve never used Twitter so I am not clear on how to dive into things on Gab.

    The Twitter purges, if I followed the posts there correctly, were done in response to SPLC’s request memo. I agree with MGE, purging Richard Spencer was a cunty move. He posted infrequently but always with his sharp brand of wit.

    I may be wrong in this evolving assessment, but this is all giving me a tremendous deja vu from when Communism was collapsing around me. It is a way of perceiving the various faces of your political system as crumbling papier-mache masks. Like the whole thing has devolved, in a way that they kept as hidden as long as possible, into an extended bluff.

    For example, I used to keep Facebook 100% apolitical specifically out of caution, but lately I’ve been putting up some funny and hard-hitting memes because that impulse for caution (in other words, fear) is gone.

  25. “You’ve already cleared the continent once.” (PA)//”I was talking with an old friend and colleague in Dallas yesterday.” (LBF)

    Here here. Also in the area at present. The ‘time to regulate’ is imminent.

  26. I don’t really get the appeal of Bernie Sanders, either, but he seems to be well liked in Vermont. He is probably right where he should be.

  27. “As to Jews, I also mentioned Larry Auster in the same comment and have previously referred to him as a mentor — PA].”

    Well, for whatever rhetorical point i was getting at, you’re sort-of dodging it here. Didn’t you and Thor only publicly concede your fealty to Auster only after he renounced his Judaism?

    (A few times I’ve summoned this mental image of my high-school and of what I imagine PA looks like, and I imagine the adolescent form of that figment of mine walking around my 60%+ high school in its mid 80’s form with this half-bemused and perplexed scowl on his face, taking in all this pre-yenta-and-mensch mid-American affluenza and I just get this fit of hysterical giggles at the thought of him trying to earnestly process it all..lol…

  28. LOL, no. In high school I was culturally well acclimated and athletic, though in second-tier sports (rather than say, lacrosse, which is huge here). All of my conscious “preplexions,” if I had any, were normal teenage stuff. The “Freedom” post shows my photo at 21ish. It’s a scan of a print, and my face in the original print is strangely blurred to falsely suggest a beard; I was in fact clean-shaven.

    When I see that photo, song lyrics run through my mind: “standing by the road, no umbrella, no coat.”

  29. I don’t really get the appeal of Bernie Sanders, either, but he seems to be well liked in Vermont.

    The only states he won in the primary were Vermont-like with low density/rural or very close to the Canadian border. (and we know what that means demographically)

  30. I was just commenting in a particular corner of a chess blog where we often stray to politics and someone quoted Sailer. First time I’ve ever seen Sailer mentioned “organically” like that.

    The alt right is growing.

  31. “Well, for whatever rhetorical point i was getting at, you’re sort-of dodging it here. Didn’t you and Thor only publicly concede your fealty to Auster only after he renounced his Judaism?”

    Auster was an Anglican Christian for his entire public career, before a deathbed conversion to Catholicism. Before all that he had a sort of highbrow hippie phase, sometimes alluded to at VFR.

    Auster was somewhat pricklishly attached to Judeo-ethnic pride, despite some lengthy criticisms of Jewish intransigence, the locus classicus of which probably is an excerpt, several thousand words in length, he released on VFR shortly before his death, from the manuscript of a book he was attempting to finish in his final illness.

    I think Auster was the likely victim of Jewish trolling, as he regularly got messages from people posing as WN complimenting him on his discovery of Jewish perfidy, which would predictably put him in a huff.

    nikcrit, you seem to nurse a deliberately provocative faux-naivete about the Juden, as though you wish to prod your interlocutors as backwoods hicks unfamiliar with the scintillating delights of the cosmopolite Yid. It’s a bit of a recurrent schtick with you, much like this insinuating tone you take about the purported inevitability of President-Ascendant Trump scraping and bowing before the– how did you put it? Something about an inevitable symbiosis or “social synthesis” about to come about?

    I guess that means more quadroons in Minnesota, by your reckoning. Talk about some more walls that need to get ten feet higher! (And they are, Blanche, d’ey’are!)

  32. “nikcrit, you seem to nurse a deliberately provocative faux-naivete about the Juden, as though you wish to prod your interlocutors as backwoods hicks unfamiliar with the scintillating delights of the cosmopolite Yid. It’s a bit of a recurrent schtick with you, much like this insinuating tone you take about the purported inevitability of President-Ascendant Trump scraping and bowing before the– how did you put it? Something about an inevitable symbiosis or “social synthesis” about to come about?”

    No, Lucius, i sincerely don’t have that much knowledge of or snarky cleverness to have the agenda you attribute to me. My social synthesis remark had nothing specifically to do with Judaism…… It’s just my term for my vague vision of future realities; read: what WILL come about, not necessarily what I WISH comes about, etc.

    (I’m of a journalism/modern studies academic background, so FWIW, I tend to view future kultur as a pop-cult melange shaped by technology and the resulting patterns of social proximity it creates; I tend to lay off the theoretical race and ethnic screeds and ‘isms’ that supposedly determine everything. That approach of mine, of course, has its own limits, but that in fact is my reflexive tendency to these matters, to the extent i have any at all..)

    You clearly have a more sophisticated historic view of Jewish culture than I do; that’s why I don’t relate to the vitriol attached; i’m just not well-steeped in the historical record, good or bad.

  33. No, Lucius, i sincerely don’t have that much knowledge of or snarky cleverness to have the agenda you attribute to me.

    You sometimes do this poke-and-retreat move, like with the Jewish matter upthread.

  34. This “poke-and-retreat” redundancy is better understood ABSTRACTLY as “radical autonomy.” A continuous, zero-sum, maximizing and minimizing of personal and rival autonomy, respectively.

  35. Nikcrit ACTUALLY CANNOT conceptualize the Jew qua Jew as the archetype anti-(white) Supremacist…. The premier perpetuating ethnic self-annihilator.

    HE.REALLY.CANNOT.DO.IT.

    He is hardly alone.

  36. I tend to view future kultur as a pop-cult melange shaped by technology and the resulting patterns of social proximity it creates;

    I agree with you (and I think Camlost does too) that with pop culture and technology as it is, along with a lack of political will for separation, makes a future of strict racial/ethnic division in the US unlikely. I am fine with pulling back from the multicult insanity and instituting some border and immigration control to get us thinking like a country again.

  37. “Fealty” is the wrong word, Nikcrit.

    Auster was, in my estimation, an adamant truth-teller. This meant two things. First, he was a truth-seeker and secondly willingly open to all potential humiliating rebuttals of his truth claims. This really is the adrenaline-inspiring aspect of truth-telling analogous to the anxiety-driven adrenaline one gets from contemplating the humiliation of being knocked in a fight.

    I respected Mr. Auster for his impliciit desire for white Supremacy.

  38. I kind of wonder if a lot of the anti semitism on the alt right is coming from Jews. I’m sure not all of it, but some of it. I have never met a true anti Semite in real life. I know people are afraid to criticize Jews, but still I’ve never met anyone with strong anti Jewish views. I can barely recall hearing even mildly anti Semitic remarks.

  39. I kind of wonder if a lot of the anti semitism on the alt right is coming from Jews.

    Jews in one form or another, are the source of all anti-semitism.

    But no, they are not sockpuppeting the oven talk, if that is what you are saying. The ovens are entirely a goyish meme.

  40. PA “For one, expect more young men like Dylan Roof, except now with logistical support. Unless we clear the land and put the Neocon/Obama coalition out of power and many of their leaders in prison.”

    I think you’re off; that you’re extrapolating from a purely racial-political logic and perspective, in which your posit then makes consistent, linear sense.

    But if you consider my “amalgamation” theory, aesthetic and, I contend, eventual cultural norm, i.e., the midbrow pop ‘realpolitik,’ then you have to revise your forecast. In this here clip, from the tone, look of the people, their interaction, their casualness yet within intercultural give-n-take, this is what I think is the future of racial confrontation, interpretation and clash:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11688181/Dylann-Roofs-friend-Charleston-church-wasnt-primary-target.html

    And if that causes cog-dis, I say blame the white man and his technological innovations for the sci-fi state of future ‘Amalgamation.” 🙂

  41. I see this amalgamation at a art-themed bar in my neighborhood —– there’s a evident strain in the amalgamated black face, regardless of their personal pigment level: a strain or arching indifferent expression in their faces that convey empathy; might be called ‘mino-boho’ for now, the early and easy read. But I see this lot as well on its way to forming its own sub-culture —- and it goes both ways racially because its essence demands as much.

    I think it’s already extant; just untitled, even though it was inevitable from the media and techno innovations of the last 30 years; it’s the first ‘reactionary’ being that Trump’s election has borne into ‘being.”

    MSM memes will reify as much in ensuing seasons; I say fully within two years, tops.

  42. Yes. Other common phrases that are attributed to Lenin are “useful idiot”, referring to liberal Westerners who were enthusiastic of communism. Trotsky is said to have coined “fellow traveller” for sympathetic parties who nonetheless didn’t join the party, as well as the word “racist.”

  43. But if you consider my “amalgamation” theory, aesthetic and, I contend, eventual cultural norm, i.e., the midbrow pop ‘realpolitik,’ then you have to revise your forecast. In this here clip, from the tone, look of the people, their interaction, their casualness yet within intercultural give-n-take, this is what I think is the future of racial confrontation, interpretation and clash:

    You should check this out… Diamond and Silk on Stefan Molyneux celebrating the Trump victory. Hilarious!

  44. Check this NY Times op-ed out; it’s notable for how tepid to outright dull it is; this, from a professor of humanities at Columbia University? Seems more like a sentimental book report written by a talented high-school sophomore from some rank-if-decent big-town-adjacent suburban public high-school. IOW: nothing special— AT ALL!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-identity-liberalism.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region

  45. You’re right about your assessment of that article. For one, it needed major compression, with its fluffy drifting verbiage. Something that makes writing better is sparseness in adjectives; especially abstract ones; especially abstract ones that instruct the reader on the correct moral attitude toward something: in this case, “repugnant.”

    That article throws out a nod to “White working class.” I’ll pat myself on the back for calling out that, in the original post, as a shorthand term that doesn’t really describe something it purports to. All of my friends, and most people in my extended social network, as far as I cantell, and I voted for Trump. And we live in a very Blue state. We have bachelor and/or graduate work, neither super-zip nor paycheck-to-paycheck living economics; we’re representative of the larger non-elite, sub-upper middle class White American population … Point being that what they describe as a WWC Trump-voting demographic can’t be compartmentalized into a small, isolated, politically marginalized, easily pitied/cliched “working class” stock character.

  46. BTW&FWIW:

    Here is a sample of the REAL “White working class,” exemplified by perhaps the great chronicler of said class, Mike Royko.

    Damn near the greatest metro newspaper columnist that ever lived, if one Murray Kempton had not also once graced this planet, dammit!

    http://mediaburn.org/video/royko-at-the-goat/

    Y’know, when modern politico parlance directly or indirectly tries mining pol resource from the ‘white working-class,’ there really summoning a fairly bygone demo that — when you really get down to it —— hasn’t really existed en force as a risible political entity since the late ’70s/early ’80s.

    Anyhow, your resident halfrican here, having spent his early elementary-school days in city-bordering working-to-middle-class suburb, saw plenty of guys like the ones in this Royko vid….. yep, part of the half-breed’s ‘formative experience’ that he’s always talking about. lol..

  47. This kind of stuff I find amazing; so ridiculous…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/us/mike-pence-hamilton.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

    And talk about hypocritical behavior? To fear, deplore, browbeat and actually LECTURE someone based purely your imbalanced and hypothetical concerns —– ONLY TO TURN AROUND AND TREAT SOMEONE WITH RUDE DISREGARD IN THE EXACT WAY YOU FEARED THEY WOULD?

    Along those lines, I cannot believe the second tweet video in the above link that has the audience members BOOING Pence upon merely arriving at the show.

    Good God!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/us/mike-pence-hamilton.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

  48. sorry for all the links of late; i’m off this week and i’ve been going over links friends and myself have sent or marked for later reading.

    Gotta say, i’m very impressed by this election post-mortem by the writer in the following link; i’ve never heard of him or the publication, though it’s name sounds like it should be vaguely partisan along rightist lines; I think said writer REALLY and soberly nails specifically what about Trump appealed to the electorate. But even moreso describes the impoverished political culture and cynicism that made things ripe for a scorched-earth type revolt of the recent electoral landscape; he also nails the true specifics of the decisive elements of election night.

    This John O’Sullivan; the name sounds familiar but i can’t readily place it; anyhow, despite a few seemingly odd and obligatory disses toward both HRC and DT, that seem forced, i think he’s got a sober and precise wit in his decons of election night.

    p.s.-update: oh, i see he’s a somewhat well-known name in ‘cuck-GOP’ history, with Sullivan the current publisher (or editor?) of NR.

    Well, he’s a good writer; he probably works for NR cuz that’s the only such politicized publication that can afford to pay real salaries nowadays.)

  49. Nikcrit, that NYT opinion piece you forwarded yesterday that Elk and I commented on… is it customary for a paper of that stature to be almost fully hands-off with such guest-post pieces, or do they still go through the newspaper’s rigorous in-house editing process? I am specifically referring to that op-ed’s piece’s need for tightening of language and the cutting of its myriad cliches and other such examples of bad writing.

  50. What bugged me about that article was its look and feel of a first draft, where the writer piles on the ideas and verbiage, and only later trims/cuts/finesses the content for public consumption.

  51. “is it customary for a paper of that stature to be almost fully hands-off with such guest-post pieces”

    Well, to the extent that there’s some idiosyncratic discretion involved in EVERY non-staff-written editorial, I would say the GENERAL policy for major daily newspapers is to keep their fingerprint on solely grammar and syntax issues; in terms of liability and possible retractions, they might add some qualifying language to any damning assertions made by the guest editorialist, and of course to any dubious or vague attributions, good or bad.

    As for that piece itself? Just the fact that it was a professorial -level-written piece would probably compel the nytimes copy staff to lay off any rote grammar-&-usage issues, beyond being grammatically correct.

    The elements you (PA) mention specifically? The excessive and redundant-effect adjectives? They’d likely leave that alone. It’s my hunch the young prof in question has probably not yet secured tenure, so the piece is designed to reinforce his pious lefty goody-two-shoes bona-fides in order to burnish his Ivy-league potential. It really was a quite vague and unrevealing editorial.

  52. I think that writer may be calling for Civil War against Trump and anyone who voted for him. What do you guys think?

  53. What was different about this election, was that a Republican candidate did just as much race baiting as the Democrat one usually does.

  54. Lara, re. your ‘tough on paper’ remark; are you referring to the nytimes.com op-ed link that was written by the Columbia university prof?

    Or are you referring to that later link on jacobinmag.com that has the John O’Sullivan post-election analysis?

  55. He is a good writer, no doubt. But like most academic marxists, he can barely contain his contempt for the working class he supposedly champions. If only he had a more suitable proletariat to work with! Ya know, one that didn’t care about immigration so much – which he never really addresses as the real reason Trump was elected. It’s just all a bunch of odious fascism and racism to him.

  56. I think that writer may be calling for Civil War against Trump and anyone who voted for him. What do you guys think?

    I think that no matter who was elected, we were due for a “cold” Civil War. Both HRC and Trump were unappealing and polarizing candidates for the majority of the electorate. It is doubtful that Trump will succeed in uniting the country. If his most recent tweets are any indication of his behavior going forward, it seems that the gravity of the office has not tempered his tendency towards petty vindictiveness.

  57. My take on the Pence, Hamilton thing is that it is just part of politics. He got some cheers, as well as boos, when he entered the theater. The speech given at the end was not a personal attack on Pence. I don’t mind Trump’s tweet about it, either. It was probably good to address it. He should now let it go. Truman’s people have to realize they are not going to be popular in places like that. Personally, I think a lot of men would enjoy the attention. They made the show all about him.

  58. “UNITING” the “country” IS EXACTLY the mental PATHOLOGY suffered by a super-majority of “citizens” who are, nonetheless, absolutely unequivocal in their belief of just how dysfunctionally divided “we” are. In other words, the very same people who champion “no-fault divorce” and “marriage” between any “things,” is slimultaneously, violently and viciously of the mind that ANY SEPARATION is verboten.

    It is a tyrannical sickness…

    Liberation without separation.

    Human parasitism.

    Radical autonomy and self-annihilation.

  59. “We” are bearing witness to how a mob of weakness can come to fall the strongest wolf and it is now through an squealing appeal to lone wolf’s big, bad bite. A mere two weeks ago, the collective strategy of the anti-white Supremacist was mere mockery and mulled malignment.

    Speak “separation” and watch the mob of weakness buckle at the needs.

  60. If there are all these individuals talking about “uniting” the “country” THEN CLEARLY there is separation abound. That these same individuals calling for “unity” CANNOT SEE OR HEAR OR SPEAK the very separations that they are invoking with their calls to “unite” MEANS such individuals are self-disqualified from steering anyone’s future whether it be towards unity or certain division.

  61. Hi PA,

    I am long time reader at Roissy’s but I can’t comment there, don’t know why.
    So I am going to ask you here what I’d like to ask there because I have a huge respect from your comments there going back to 2009 or something:

    Even if Trump expeles the 3 million or so illegal “hispanics” who have already committed crimes in the U.S. and simultaneously builds the great wall of Trump in one day and one night and no more “hispanics” get in,
    even if that happens, you would still have 7 MILLION ILLEGAL “HISPANICS” in America by 2010 NUMBERS. You would still have:
    47 million “hispanics” in the US, of which
    + 30 million would be Mexican or from Central America, and that is assuming all illegal criminal “hispanics” expelled were from Mexico.

    So? What to do with that?
    If you keep highlighting “hispanics” as “hispanics” you are offering the demorats 10% of the population at best.

    What, in your mind, will be possibly be done to adress the “hispanic” question in the US of A?

    Thanks for any response.

  62. This type of divisiveness will be the hardest on the Trump women. My guess is all of them will remain completely apolitical.

  63. Lara…

    You are authorIng your own bit of anti-white Supremacy into the Narrative.

    “Trump women,” by definition, are desirous of white Alpha or the approximation thereof…

    So your terms “divisiveness,” “hardest” and “apolitical” are a self-fulfilling prophecy on your part… A PROJECTION of what Lara would like a “Trump woman” to be and experience.

    And…

    Subversive.

  64. — What, in your mind, will be possibly be done to adress the “hispanic” question in the US of A?

    If the goal of Core Americans is to restore the pre-1965 ethnic balance, then anyone (and his descendants) who came here in the past fifty years would have to go. I am not familiar with the US Southwest (TX, AZ, etc) but I understand that there are legitimate, assimilated, generations-old Americans of partial or full Mexican descent in those states whose roots there predate Hart-Celler. Elsewhere though, they are seen as invaders, and they see themselves as such. That becomes plain (in either direction) when the mask of politeness is lifted. As to specifics of deportation, anything is possible, depending on the will of the American people. If you work in federalism or other mechanisms for regional or state-level autonomy, then a lot of those demographic/ethnic matters will be decided on those levels.

  65. The Cast on Broadway speechifying at Pence is unprofessional and that is ironic considering it is Broadway.

    His going to that show, was an offer of finding the middle ground. And they acted like a bunch of babies.

    There are forms for the interaction between the cast and the audience, and to throw those out the window, to turn their professional act into cheap political theatre, says everything about their quality.

  66. It becomes clearer with every passing day that the two Americas are not to be reconciled.

    How can they be? One of those groups has to be in charge, of America’s Identity.

    The two Americas have identities that are … wait for it … mutually self-annihilating. They cannot suffer the other but to be diminished within it.

  67. The issue of homosex is a good example of how these two Americas cannot possible exist together in a single functioning polity.

    A healthy community will not tolerate sick and degenerate behavior. But the other America cannot live without it.

    How there be a reconciling, between those two camps? It can’t happen. It cannot be.

    ****************

    One of the camps will get run over.

  68. @MGE,

    As the editor of National Review and a longtime writer for the mag, it’s sort-of funny to hear O’Sullivan described as a ‘academic Marxist.” That is a sign on how paleo far right aggregate conservatism has gone in recent times….. this time period reminds me of the early Reagan era, which is about the earliest period in history in which i was able to generate some larger ‘cultural’ sense of things; i.e., young adolescence…I think we we’re due a paleo-con phase, and each one, coming in intervals of 30 or so years are different than its preceding one; i.e., the ‘amalgamation’ level is that much more baked into the cake; i’m thinking this next phase is going to incarnate one that i conjured in a post chat with you about a half-year back, in which i said some rather far-out, speculative scenarios that i can’t recall right now but perhaps could dig out of Googledom in coming days.

    You are about the only one here that gets me into that crazy-cult speculative mode.

  69. How there be a reconciling, between those two camps?

    I’ve been mulling over this on and off today. Not just between Trump voters and identity-homosexuals but between us and the entire Obama coalition. It isn’t symmetrical. One example: we are willing to tolerate them, given local separation and their consent to our cultural hegemony in the public space. We can back it up with — Camlost’s point — our ability to make the indoor plumbing run. They, on the other hand, are unwilling to tolerate us, they repay any overture of tolerance with furious efforts to humiliate us, they won’t separate from us, and they have nothing in the way of hardware-based leverage on us.

  70. They have had control of the central nervous system of our body politic now, for a long time.

    People get their identities from the central nervous system of their culture, and that identity has lead them astray.

    *********

    There was a link to a Canadian journal with an interview of the American actor Michael Shannon, which actor was a real darling of the critics and the favorite of that hot director from Arkansas (home of the Clintons!) — and it turns out that Michael Shannon, in spite of his seemingly shitlord face, is another hysterical liberal who despises Middle America and mocks Middle Americans for killing themselves.

    It is telling that he references specifically the suicide epidemic of White America, so he is not in the dark re current trends — but his reaction is not sympathetic.

    His reaction is hysterical. It is confused and self-loathing. There is a self-contradiction in his identity.

  71. As the editor of National Review and a longtime writer for the mag, it’s sort-of funny to hear O’Sullivan described as a ‘academic Marxist.” That is a sign on how paleo far right aggregate conservatism has gone in recent times…

    You are confusing Dan O’Sullivan (who wrote the aforementioned column in the Jacobin, a Marxist publication) and John O’Sullivan the NRO editor. Still your point stands.

  72. I don’t mind Trump’s tweet about it, either. It was probably good to address it.

    No no no… Absolutely not… the president should not be wading into every little micro-dispute like this. That is a job for his foot soldiers. The fact that a few SJW Broadway actors can taunt him so easily is bad news. Trump’s reaction is exactly what they were trying to achieve. It lets them know they still have the power of the megaphone.

  73. oh! oops! Ummm……. “Never mind,” to quote Emily Litella.

    I still agree with your overall point and I’d like to see a link to your “speculative scenarios” or a reiteration of them.

  74. Symbiotic regression… This is the “nature” of the relationship between the dull “white” mass and the jew-nigger-migger-homodyke-jihadist liberationist movement… Bounded and rivaled by radical sexual autonomy and driven to murderous madness by white Supremacy, real or deceived.

  75. Yet…

    There also exists a symbiotic regression between the dull “white” mass and the white “intellectual” class. This vicious circle (degenerate redundancy) is maintained with a subconsciously, subversive submission to a white female’s “fundamental right” to kill the high IQ “white” boy from the beginning coupled with the “intellectual” claim to the “right” to self-annihilate given the reality of “infinite regress,” ie., absolute degeneracy and Total Entropy.

    Each “side” provokes the other to only fall deeper into thier false belief which are solely intended to sabotage the other and “win” the race to self-annihilate..

  76. Here’s the comment; think i may have been tipping on a few on that particular evening!

    ” MGE: Thank God liberal snark humor is on its way out. Everyone is sick of smug liberal fussbudgets.

    NIKCRIT: I sense that too. My example of the trend i submitted a couple of weeks ago: that stupid SNL ‘Beyonce is Black” skit, that was just idiotic in its dated irrelevance.

    A cultural shit seems ominous and already well into the works. But what i can’t yet garner is what’s the new zeitgeist? Black paleocon sentiment, a la Stacey Dash? I’m thinking its going to be some kind of half-sucessful attempt to reconcile black American aesthetic with pre-60s white Americana —– its artistic edge and challenge will be to champion and revive pre-civil-rights black and white cutting-edge while somehow refiguring Uncle Tom-isms —- the REAL taboo of ;post-60s liberal sentiment and race relations— to somehow merge and make hip an amalgamation of Glenn Campbell and Flip Wilson, Tammy Wynette and Aretha Franklin at a pop-cellular level symbiosis!

    I see it somehow; the volkgeist are sick of the sort-of over-established or hyper-established, or make that uber-established polarity —– yet, they’re a half-century steeped in brotherhood ethos and coercion and thus have to resolve their familial-by-now connection.”

    I see the recent Trump triumph as speeding up the scenario i suggest above; though i’m sure the rest of y’all will and do think I’m nuts and would prophesize almost the exact opposite to be coming….. In any case, I do know that the future is rarely in cahoots with the wishes and hopes of hardline political idealogues.

  77. Cam, i’m note sure of the specifics, even though i saw the vids, but i think trump’s Tweet was to retort the boos he got upon entering the theater, though you may oppose trump’s showing his disdain to that gesture as well.

    IDK. You may be right — that it’s perhaps bad form to let his detractors know they made an impact.

    But i’m just disgusted by the fact that they were booed upon entering the theater; that is just low-class by any fukin’ index you can muster. Geez-louise!

  78. correction: i think trump’s tweet was to protest the boos PENCE and his entourage received upon entering the theater….. beyond the pale sour-grapes behavior IMO

  79. Nikcrit…

    Bitches NEED slap downs…

    The only gamble is in the aesthetic of the backhand.

    Trump needs work in this area.

  80. These girlish actors think the “safe stage” emerged from Nothing. And so they can hardly help to create a universal drama.

    Mediated drama queens are a sure sign of total degeneracy.

  81. Next thing you know, Scam Newton will be demanding a “safe field” with eleven Goldbergs, Shapiros and Wises playing “defense” in a virtual stadium surrounded by a moat of flowing niggers.

    [That is a vivid visual — PA]

  82. “Convergence” is the wrong word and grants too much gravitas to the self-annihilating enemy. Infection is the mechanism and separation the antidote.

    “Stooged” is a much more appropriate word for phenomenon of the liberated infection emergent in the individual situated voluntarily within a “converged” organization.

    Clearly, all the individuals within an organization that has been “stooged” are now being actively stunted and retarded… Ergo, this individual is now a stooge of the liberationist movement… The individual has committed his very flesh to the alter of Final Liberation.

    Unless he embraces a “subversive” counter reaction?

  83. The stooge requires a socialist “nation,” otherwise what lucrative opportunity to stooge?

    Matriarchies pine for socialism.

    Your race is your mother in the matriarchy.

    The Jew qua Jew desires matriarchy.

    The Jew’s RACE is his mother.

    The Jewish RACE desires a “nation” of socialists.

    The Jew qua MODERN Jew is liberated Nazi.

    The Jew as Jew is the premier STOOGE.

  84. Nikcrit…

    A people possessing Perfection as their metaphysical reality cannot live coterminously with a people who possess no metaphysics AND believe such dispossessed state of mind is the very qualification to ruling the physical world.

  85. If you define your race through your mother as most non-Aryans races are apt to do THEN a nation of socialists will eventually be effectuated.

  86. Until I posted the above link, i noticed that Thordaddy had a, umm, “symbiotic flush” on the face page’s “Recent Comments” column. Ten in a row and counting and I’m as bewildered as ever.

  87. “If you define your race through your mother as most non-Aryans races are apt to doap”

    I thought that was mainly the province of Judaism in determining who’s-who in the case of mischlings; I would’ve guessed that racial determinism among, say, East Indians and other Asians, follow patrimonial descent, but you’re saying their maternal in terms of defining bloodlines?

    Cam’s going to take that hard. 🙂

  88. We can back it up with — Camlost’s point — our ability to make the indoor plumbing run. They, on the other hand, are unwilling to tolerate us, they repay any overture of tolerance with furious efforts to humiliate us, they won’t separate from us, and they have nothing in the way of hardware-based leverage on us. (PA)

    This reminds me of a Camille Paglia quote that always stuck with me:

    We could make an epic catalog of male achievements, from paved roads, indoor plumbing, and washing machine to eyeglasses, antibiotics and disposable diapers. We enjoy safe, fresh milk and meat, and vegetables and tropical fruits heaped in snowbound cities. When I cross the George Washington Bridge or any of America’s great bridges, I think: men have done this. Construction is a sublime male poetry. When I see a see a giant crane passing on a flatbed truck, I pause in awe and reverence as would for a church processions.

    This is why I find it so frustrating when Brandon Dixon, who culturally appropriates the white man’s culture by playing Aaron Burr in Hamilton, uses his racist platform to lecture our VP elect Pence about “diversity.” News flash Brandon: white men invented your AIDS medication. Without us you would be wasting away in a nursing home riddled with Kaposi’s Sarcoma.

  89. “This is why I find it so frustrating when Brandon Dixon, who culturally appropriates the white man’s culture by playing Aaron Burr in Hamilton, uses his racist platform to lecture our VP elect Pence about “diversity.””

    See, while I get your point and agree with it in my particular way (I’m simply appalled at the bad form and manners of browbeating and booing —– booing! —– an educated and civilized human being who paid admission to the browbeaters’ performance!)

    But I disagree with your sense of genetic endowment and propriety; are you closer to Burr and European technological innovation than Dixon? Should you two go on the George Lopez’s show and undergo next year’s schtick —- a ‘Who’s Whiter?” as opposed to “Who’s Blacker?” segment.

    For instance, I don’t particularly feel that, say, PA has more claim to the merits of Thomas Jefferson than I do. If I was like them and other race realists, and accorded my personal loyalty and cultural fealty along strictly racial lines, then I might. But my darkly complected father wouldn’t and he graduated from an arguably top-5 national medical school and IMO would justifiably feel more kinship and bragging right to the European/technological-innovatioin corrolary, as he studied its canon of learning and did it well enough to earn his advanced degree and practice rights.

    Tell me: if that famous white internet character you used to jokingly post at times, ‘Grandpa, the senior citizen who would use his flatulence to make cigarette ligthers shoot flames, were to claim white-west bragging rights because of his genetic pedigree, should my father be humbled and defer to him?

    From my perspective, it’s so homely, all these racial-ownership claims of superiority; in fact, I myself often feel galled when some race-realist dipshit tries to putting me down at SBPDL or some comparable site over a ‘white’ subject and history in which I CLEARLY know more about than they do.

    There is not a little bit of hubris in the bold and brave man-o-sphere.

  90. Personally, I think this actor would have looked cooler just thanking Pence for attending his show. He made himself look a little silly giving a lecture to an empty seat.

  91. — For instance, I don’t particularly feel that, say, PA has more claim to the merits of Thomas Jefferson than I do.

    There is a reason why I wrote the post in second person.

  92. But I disagree with your sense of genetic endowment and propriety; are you closer to Burr and European technological innovation than Dixon?

    Do you go on Very Smart Brothas and admonish those guys for irrational displays of racial pride? Do you do it to the Chinese or the Jews? Probably not, because it is white Euro culture that is supposed to be universal, for everybody. Scratch that — only the good parts. The unsavory elements, like slavery, colonialism, Holocaust, well that belongs to us alone for every white person to grovel over. Even the fart igniting grandpa you mentioned is expected to apologize for his “white privilege.”

    One wonders if this Brandon guy would be so enthused about a historical black character portrayed in the inverse scenario as the Hamilton show. He would probably screech about cultural appropriation. (In 2012 h3 said in a tweet in 2012 “St. Patty’s day weekend is like Christmas for black dudes who like white chicks. Happy holidays boys.” He then followed with another tweet that for every racist tweet in response, he would fuck a white girl. Talk about appopriation. Jezebel, predictably gave him a pass on that.)

    Having pride in one’s race or ethne is about having an aspirational sense of volk. It is something that everyone except whites are encouraged to have, but taboo only for us. Your comment is an example of a complaint that is only ever directed towards white people. It falls in line with what PA said upthread:

    The black friend of yours exhibits the limitation of possibly all non-Europeans, an inability to comprehend the fact that people outside of their race have their own identity, agency, destiny; it’s all about their utility to them.

  93. And to put this brouhaha in context, keep in mind that the producers of Hamilton put out a casting call specifically for non-white actors. No whites need apply for this period drama about white people!

    http://www.snopes.com/hamilton-non-white-casting-call/

    [“No whites need apply” — given the context, it’s like someone was seeking a surefire way to fail, or at least to self-marginalize –PA]

  94. Personally, I think this actor would have looked cooler just thanking Pence for attending his show. He made himself look a little silly giving a lecture to an empty seat.

    That would be the classy thing to do, instead of making smug moral overtures, let your art stand for itself.

    I thought Pence’s response to the affair struck the right note. Someone really needs to take away Trump’s twitter account. He is embarrassing himself by stooping to the level of the SJW’s and showing how easily he can be baited and perturbed. His job is to set the tone and let the foot soldiers do the rest. Oh yeah and his annoyed tweets in response to the SNL sketch – very bad form. Every president gets mocked on SNL and takes it in stride. He is just revealing how fragile his ego is which will open him up to further attack.

  95. I checked out an excerpt of Hamilton. It did look kind of entertaining. If I can get over my annoyance about it, I would probably like it. Tickets prices need to come down first.

  96. Trump might be trying to seem in touch with his people. I haven’t watched Saturday Night Live in years. I guess Trump watches it.

  97. People with fragile egos don’t make a billion dollars in New York.

    He has a combative personality, and is ‘touchy’. Not the same thing — at all — as a fragile ego.

    Every president gets mocked on SNL

    It has been observed many times that Obama was not mocked on SNL. Is there even a single clip, during these last eight years?

    Trump should probably not be tweeting as president — but on the other hand, he can’t really make a mistake, in that regard.

    He knows that we know that he knows, that we know …

    Which was sorta my point about the “literal” interpretation of his words being the wrong way to go about things, the wrong way of getting the message: the wrong way of communicating.

    When someone is on your side, what he says is interpreted with that in mind.

    And with Trump’s appointment of Bannon as Chief Advisor, there can now be no doubt that Trump and his team are hellbent on doing the right thing.

    The distinction between civic nationalism and white nationalism can wait.

  98. Someone really needs to take away Trump’s twitter account. He is embarrassing himself by stooping to the level of the SJW’s and showing how easily he can be baited and perturbed.

    Trump is not embarrassing himself on Twitter, because he is not embarrassed.

    Trump dominating twitter is the opening act of his working-over of the establishment media.

    In addition to immigration control and the wall, that has to be priority. And honest elections.

  99. As to Twitter, it’s served him well during the primaries and in the general election campaign. He is a master strategist, he is always sober, so I am not going to question his use of this medium.

    He is also doing what Reagan tried (in Gipper’s case unsuccessfully due to the limitations of technology in his day) — to circumvent the establishment media in communicating with the world.

  100. Elk – I disagree. He is the president (elect). A few broadway actors and the SNL cast should be beneath his notice. He is simply giving them the attention and power they are looking for. He’s giving them exactly what they want on a platter.

  101. @MGE…. Yes, I’ve admonished black commenters over anti white bluster, including what you specifically asked me.

    But more specifically, nothing I lamented in the comment of mine you’re responding to complained about acts of whites asserting ethnic pride. I agreed with your retort, except for the part in which you said my comment exemplified your complaint. I suggest you re-read it and reconsider that particular contention of yours.

  102. It has been observed many times that Obama was not mocked on SNL. Is there even a single clip, during these last eight years?

    Steve Sailer has talked many times about how writers just can’t seem to find anything funny (or critical) to print concerning Obama.

  103. Trump is not embarrassing himself on Twitter, because he is not embarrassed.
    Trump dominating twitter is the opening act of his working-over of the establishment media.

    At first I thought that Trump should stay off twitter as well, but you’re right – this is just another plank in his policy. Every time he blows up at the media they’re actually the ones who are coming away looking petty and foolish, this is bringing a big correction and readjustment for them.

    And all of this feuding against the biased media is really helping further his #1 accomplishment, which is making core Americans see that this is no longer their country.

    Media trust in the USA is at an all-time low:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx

  104. It has been observed many times that Obama was not mocked on SNL. Is there even a single clip, during these last eight years?

    The media has made it a point to not cover Obama’s gaffes, like this one which I doubt that anyone here has heard about:

  105. well, that’s a pretty petty call out. I think a ‘pass’ should be granted in those cases in accord with how close that person is to the country-and-language in question. To wit: if someone living in the U.S., particularly Arizona or Texas or some other border state, and one says someone from Mexico ‘speaks Mexican,” they get the ignoramus tag because someone in such proximity should be able to make the right call.

    But if some, say, working-class farmer in Iceland said as much, I say give him a pass.

    Obama should’ve known better; i bet he in fact does know that Viennese folk speak German, but the context had him discussing Viennese residents and a Viennese event first and then the language designation arose, so he matched it to the context —– ergo his error.

    IDK: do you think his gaffe really warranted that ‘Stupidity’ sobriquet at the end of the video, by no less than one Robert Heinlein, who’d agree with the point I made, i bet, rather than he would apply the quote referenced to him.

  106. well, that’s a pretty petty call out.
    Obama should’ve known better; i bet he in fact does know that Viennese folk speak German,

    Yeah, it’s a minor thing to me, but he is a Nobel Prize winner though, right? But my point wasn’t necessarily to poke fun at him for this as Austria is a relatively small country population-wise and TBH I don’t know the name of their Prime Minister or even what type of government they have.

    But something like this should be fodder for humor from the Onion or the John Stewart types, if you ask me.

  107. I think a ‘pass’ should be granted in those cases in accord with how close that person is to the country-and-language in question.

    Well he was granted a pass, which is the point: It is a funny clip, and yet it hasn’t made the rounds.

    It is kind of a classic mistake: Quick, what three languages are spoken in Austria?

    Well but of course, every shitlib from a good family has to know the answer to that question! I mean, you did the Grand Tour after college, right? what are you from Nowheresville or something?

    That piece of trivia is a good example of the type of knowledge that is was once a mark of the college-educated, and which knowledge is actually though cover for a more in depth understanding. A person might not know jack about the history of Central Europe, but at least he would know what countries Austria is surrounded.

  108. And further, that particular mistake reveals an ignorance about Central Europe — and this from the President of the United States?!

    That is not obscure knowledge, that there is no Austrian language. Give me a break. To what extent is it Frisian in the straights of Denmark, that would be more forgivable.

    And the excuse that it was a slip of context and or under pressure would only reveal that he is not the cool and collected public speaker that is part of his schtick.

  109. Making Obama’s case, around these parts especially now, is a hard row to hoe.

    He is already fading into obscurity, it seems. Trump is a gold-plated armor monster meme versus Obama. Who was that guy exactly, again, anyways?

    Maybe now his Harvard transcripts will get leaked. Not that that would be all that interesting. I would guess that he would have been considerably assisted there, as necessary by the staff so that he would get good marks, if it is indeed the case that was a deep state candidate.

  110. “And the excuse that it was a slip of context and or under pressure would only reveal that he is not the cool and collected public speaker that is part of his schtick.”

    Nitpicking. Total and complete….. Coincidental elk, I thought about another race- based bias of yours that you couch in the guise of objective criticism and outrage: your presumption that Henry Louis Gates is a undeserving and token AA; I just read an EXCELLENT essay and feature piece he wrote about James Baldwin nearly fifteen years ago. I’m quite you would agree if you were unaware of who wrote it and PA or some other white alt-righter on this blog didn’t initiate the aggression, which invariably is your cue to attack.

    Look it up on the ‘net; and for good measure, look up his even better feature piece on the former NY Times book critic Anatole Broyard, which is just superb writing from a professor and author who expertly intertwines elite sourcing from high black and white literature and can do so in two or more various languages, despite being a native-born academic who never lived anywhere else of length but in America. (Cue: some dimwit to make a obligatory mention of Cornell West, one of the two or three other black authors they can mention ‘das Googling!”).

    Anyhow, back to Obama and his horrible and revealing faux paux: I think it’s trite in this instance, to criticize him, that is. But I would add that I think it’s low-class and petty to make sport of anyone’s language ability or disability or capability as a public speaker, of any rank to boot.

    To wit: GWB once had the same title as Obama, and he was an infinitely less-gifted public speaker and off-the-cuff intellect —- yet I am on the record saying that I think GWB doesn’t deserve to be criticized repeatedly for his profound ineloquence. (however, in terms of the 2000 election, i once said that the American electorate to seek a president whose intellect allows him to make serious and thoughtful decisions about, say, war and the economy and allows him to do as much with the grammar and syntax level of a confident adult —– but that, it turns out, was asking too much.).

    So no, Obama didn’t earn that particular dis for the ‘Viennese flub.” Trump has and will make more and worse flubs; btw, he’s also an inferior public speaker to Obama.

    Ask and answer this one to yourself (so you can do so honestly): Who would you take in a celebrity round of Jeopardy that matched up Obama vs. Trump?

    (p.s., i apology in advance for my heightened bluster level this week; I’m off all week (big city public school districts began last year making MON-Wed of Thanksgiving week ALL non-student-attendance days. The reasoning? In the last few years, aggregate attendance has been so low during Mon-Wed of that week, averaging in recent years a staggering 35% or so, that they decided to defer to said truancy element and give in by alloting them the entire week for the holiday! lol!! So, I have too much time on my hand, even though i’m enjoying waking up around 9 a.m. with no sound of an alarm clock ringing in my ears.)

  111. I think Trump being on Twitter is a good thing. He just needs to show some restraint. I like Obama well enough, but he certainly is not perfect. I once told a liberal he smokes and she did not believe me. I actually like him better when he is not so good.

  112. @ Trickin – you still didn’t really address one of my points. Why do you think the Austria gaffe wasn’t reported more widely? It seems I’m the only one here who knew of the existence of that incident.

    As far as Henry Louis Gates goes, he is an absolute freaking genius who doesn’t get the credit he damn well deserves for coming up with a brilliant solution to solve the slavery reparations quandary:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/23/opinion/23gates.html

  113. Ask and answer this one to yourself (so you can do so honestly): Who would you take in a celebrity round of Jeopardy that matched up Obama vs. Trump?

    I would defer to Steve Sailer’s opinion on that question.

    Conceivably they might be evenly matched. It is hard to say. Jeopardy! intelligence is a very particular type. Broad based knowledge combined with alacrity and confidence, wins the game.

    ***********

    The original topic though, was that the culture at large, as purveyed by comedy shows such as SNL, has maintained this shibboleth about Obama’s intelligence.

    He was written up repeatedly, back when he came on the scene, as being one of those “smartest guys in the room”. And that always seemed improbable, to the extreme — and not just because of his race.

    That concept of the “smartest guy in the room”, is flawed in itself, but that is a whole other topic. However it seemed that Obama took it to heart, and cultivated that air about him, in lieu of demonstrating his supposed brilliance.

  114. Whether or not Obama’s reference to the Austrian language was a forgivable gaffe or not, is not a question for his critics at home, or his sympathizers, though.

    In terms of diplomacy, such question is measured by the impression it made on the audience there at that time. What was the context of that speech, and who was the audience, and what did they think of it?

    In my opinion it is likely that his audience were amazed that he would make such a mistake, and that their estimation of him would be adjusted accordingly.

  115. “Why do you think the Austria gaffe wasn’t reported more widely?”

    You already answered your question: it’s because the Onion and SNL and their likes already have proven their heavy bias to leftist rhetoric, shibboleths and other iconic symbols of leftist partisanship.

    And Obama rarely disappoints when it comes to indulging those symbols.

    Or put it this way: you could run some of those SNL skits, nearly verbatim, but on say, a conservative show which makes sport of liberal folly versus clips of democratic political maneuvers, and those very skits of O from SNL would go over as comedic at these hypothetical conservative show —- say, if Rush Limbaugh went into a half-hour cable-tv show a la Howard Stern.

    The ‘two sides’ don’t share the same sense of absurdity and hilarity, so there’s no shared recognizance of what constitutes entertaining political theater.

    There’s long been an imbalance of political comedy, with a dearth on the conservative end.

    That, btw, was the genius of Rush Limbaugh, back in the late 80s; while there were tons more conservative-vs-liberal radio shows, those that existed were all earnest screech but lacking in outright comedy and parody —- until Limbaugh stepped in.

    Speaking of, people don’t realize just how big and wealthy and groundbreaking, yet personally low-key Limbaugh is; here’s a nice profile of him commissioned by Cathedral Central:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/magazine/06Limbaugh-t.html

  116. this story here explains very well how Trump pulled off winning traditionally blue upper-Midwest states; it applies to Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota —- even though Minnesota did go to Clinton.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/opinion/campaign-stops/not-your-grandmothers-wisconsin.html?ref=opinion

    I think Walker’s victories in recent years greatly helped create a climate in which Trump could win Wisconsin; particularly among the voters residing in northern half of the state.

  117. I honestly don’t think most conservatives would find Obama’s mistake all that humorous. It was an understandable slip up, definitely one I would make. I’ve heard intelligent people accidentally speak Spanish to people from Brazil. These things happen.

  118. SNL did a good sendup of the SWPL hipster set this week. I never watch the show anymore because it got too black, but I’ll occasionally find a good sketch like this on YT

  119. MGE, SNL got toBlacko you say? I don’t know about that. That sounds sort of silly to me.

    But regarding that skit you posted from last week’s episode of SNL, that was very self-deprecating. That’s a positive sign of maturity in my opinion; that Saturday Night Live would be that self-deprecating.

    I be feeling the Winds of Change in the air!!

  120. Mudsharking does complicate the picture here though:

    Thanks for finding Tricia Todd for me, she will be the first 2017 nominee for Camlost’s world famous and prestigious “Amanda Kijera award:”

    http://auroradreams23.livejournal.com/

    She’s one of those miscegenators that enjoys the misery, that’s a link to her online blog about the “tumultuous” relationship and her constant hope in her faith and belief that he would change after allegedly recommitting himself to God.

    I’ve seen a bunch of murdered miscegenators who document their misery in a diary like that, and then eventually get murdered. I may have to split them off into a separate award from the Kijera.

  121. “She’s one of those miscegenators that enjoys the misery, …..”

    Do you consider yourself and your blonde girlfriend miscegenators? And if so, is it ‘misery’ you experience or does the relationship make you happy?

    Actually, as you claim in the case of Todd, I’ve been in interracial ‘relationship,’ (or at times “flings” or, moreso, “encounters) in which I think the p.c.-politics and material-status circumstantials played the biggest part in making the encounter happen..

    I thought i was on a creative juggernaut a week or so back, fessin’ up to some of those encounters 20-years back in junketland. I was heavily amused and thought I was being entertaining by offering some, umm, blow-by-blow psycho-racial-sexual descriptives that came with the travelogues —- ‘the reluctance in the form of tepid suction during some of those p.c.-inspired blowjobs during decadent evenings while junkateering,” but no one else seemed amused.

    Damn, there goes another moment of literary inspiration. Lol!!

  122. “Thanks for finding Tricia Todd for me, she will be the first 2017 nominee for Camlost’s world famous and prestigious “Amanda Kijera award:””

    Y’know, i’ve read up on this and other type interracial romances-gone-evil that are posted here and at other such sites, and I often feel confused from wondering what ingredients are in play to whip up that kind of homicidal-love-spurned passion necessary for the kind of homicidal mayhem that results.

    I mean, take this Todd woman: she’s pleasant, reasonable, nice, normal —– but is she such a prize to cause insufferable loss that would drive a man to murder?; Apparently so, but why? A normal girl with a normal heart and a status-quo feminine vulnerability on display that seems to become amped up once her maternal instinct is in play upon her having a child. That’s all fortifying but hardly the kind of experiences that would seem to inspire felonious passion and revenge. I mean, going superficially by the guy’s looks, rank, social position and seeming level or reason and type personality, how hard would it’ve been for him to find another mid-level women and temperament to take up with; i.e., what in the hell about Todd drove him to homicidal mayhem? I know you guys think black males think of any white female as some sort of above-all ‘prize’—- b ut that’s not true. I could blink twice and have married such a woman, and that is not in any way reducing her but merely noting a normative standard that is abundant and universal and most probably available around the block from outside this door!

    There must be some other element in play to trip off these “Othello Complex” type tragedies.

  123. — what ingredients are in play to whip up that kind of homicidal-love-spurned passion necessary for the kind of homicidal mayhem that results

    Camille Paglia explained that in a one-liner 25 years ago: the woman instigates the abuse because it makes the sex hot.

    If she’s extremely manipulative, narcissistic, has poor impulse control, and has the “zookeeper complex” as Heartiste dubs it — it is easy to see how she pushed Todd past his threshold of self-control. Domestic violence dynamics in modern America are almost always female-driven. In other words, the bitch is a solid nominee for the Amanda Kijera award.

  124. I mean, take this Todd woman: she’s pleasant, reasonable, nice, normal —– but is she such a prize to cause insufferable loss that would drive a man to murder?;

    Nope, she’s not super special, but the brothers don’t beat their lady according to the degree of her “specialness” or quality/rarity. Ockham’s razor suggests a more simple special – that nigg*s is crazy.

    I know you guys think black males think of any white female as some sort of above-all ‘prize’—- b ut that’s not true.

    You are correct – the brothers that beat their white chick are generally treating her the same violent way they would’ve treated a black female.

    I could blink twice and have married such a woman, and that is not in any way reducing her but merely noting a normative standard that is abundant and universal and most probably available around the block from outside this door!

    Yes, I believe it. But let’s be honest here and say that you’re not exactly the blackest of black males around in behavior, cultural tastes or complexion.

  125. I know you guys think black males think of any white female as some sort of above-all ‘prize’—- b ut that’s not true.

    But you must also admit that when a black male gets his hands on some money or status it vastly increases his chances at finding himself a prized white woman, right?

    Isn’t your father a doctor? What overwhelming percentage of African elites get their education in Europe and marry a white woman?

  126. Reason #3051 you don’t want to rely on blacks – this is what the black principal allowed to drive a bus full of elementary school kids at Woodmore elementary in Chattanooga.(93% black) Five kids dead after driver speeds and screams “are you ready to die” at the last second before hitting a telephone pole:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/us/tennessee-chattanooga-school-bus-accident/

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/cx2h9b7ukaa-x5t_1366480331.jpg?

  127. Camlost / nikcrit: do you think there’s method to his madness in alienating the media, or do you think he is just settling petty scores? I could see it both ways. I think maybe a decade ago, the president would not be able to get away with making enemies in the establishment media, but nowadays it seems the traditional new outlets are weak and scrambling for revenue. Trump probably smells the blood in the water and knows he can get them under his thumb.

    I LOL’d at his tweet today about his meeting with NYT.

    “I cancelled today’s meeting with the failing @nytimes when the terms and conditions of the meeting were changed at the last moment. Not nice”

  128. ‘the reluctance in the form of tepid suction during some of those p.c.-inspired blowjobs during decadent evenings while junkateering,” but no one else seemed amused.

    I thought it was funny!

  129. At first I thought Trump would just make himself look bad with a continued war on the media, but now I’m loving it because he’s the one coming out smelling like a rose.

    Either way, he surely isn’t going to stop. He’s 72 and DGAF.

    At the core though, this attack on newspapers is continuing his greatest achievement – showing core Americans yet another way in which this isn’t their country any more.

  130. “Camlost / nikcrit: do you think there’s method to his madness in alienating the media, or do you think he is just settling petty scores? I could see it both ways. “

    He’s definitely doing it for different reasons in different moments; IDK, if he has some deeper sophistry in play and sometimes just pretends to be a loose-cannon; i do know from looking through clips from the 80s, he’s a more complicated character than he often portrays.

    I look at the media shift as a 90s-commencing phenomena in which the traditional ‘one-to-many’ form of information media gave way to the many-to-many form, brought on, of course, by the internet and all its budding forms of stewardship. The gloss is that many-to-many ‘democtratized’ the stranglehold of the press, and it did in many ways. But there are also tons of problems, complications and disorientations that have been wrought I.T. media: glut, poorly sourced info; incoherence, abundance, heavy fragmentation; one-to-many media tended toward monopoly, but many-to-many media is amateurish and unreliable.

    Media gatekeeping always has the potential to corrupt, but in some ways it helps keep things orderly. The Sulzbergers were the premier world agenda-setting force in the 80s and early 90s, but history has all but assured that Brin and Page and Zuckerberg who were the fin de siecle-force rulers of the world and on into the 21st-century.

    That is a pretty heavy about-face in terms of clout.

  131. “It has been observed many times that Obama was not mocked on SNL. Is there even a single clip, during these last eight years?”

    Sure he has; i can even picture the cast member who played him, a recurring character. i recall a skit making fun of his ‘brackets’ stuff, in which he was solving some geopolitical conflict and crisis via ‘bracketology.’

    But even if there hadn’t been any parodizing skits, that wouldn’t be surprising because SNL is a consistently left-wing-espousing entity and Obama is a leftist politician. Did people ask why Limbaugh never made fun of Reagan?

  132. “this is what the black principal allowed to drive a bus full of elementary school kids at Woodmore elementary in Chattanooga.(93% black)”

    Low blow; plenty of fine, upstanding negro bus drivers.

    But more to the point: unless you know something particularly askew about this case, the school principal has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with who’s driving the school bus; the district subcontracts with several bus companies; this is on the bus company and the HR dept.’s quality control level.

  133. But even if there hadn’t been any parodizing skits, that wouldn’t be surprising because SNL is a consistently left-wing-espousing entity and Obama is a leftist politician. Did people ask why Limbaugh never made fun of Reagan?

    I guess you are right, that it is an inane point that SNL has a lefty bias.

    They don’t hide their slant and what kind of blockhead expects them to?

    A better question though, is are they funny?

    The vid clip MGE posted above is very current and somewhat surprisingly takes into account the memes of the AR and the wider conservative criticisms about lefties living in a bubble. And it was sort of funny. But not super duper funny.

    *********************

    The point has always been that they have been missing the real joke, which is on them. And with that skit, they are acknowledging that.

    But we have two Americas now. Those who want to be fags in Capital City, and those who don’t.

  134. Low blow; plenty of fine, upstanding negro bus drivers.

    This is what happens when you allow blacks to take over the administration of anything, though. The standards slide quickly and many shortcuts are taken.

    In one white flight suburban Atlanta county (Clayton county) guess what happened when they finally elected their 1st black majority school board? (to much fanfare and rejoicing)

    Their mismanagement got so immediately bad that they became the first public school system in the USA to lose accreditation since 1969. Property values plummeted and it took years to even get provisional sort of accreditation back.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/29/education/29clayton.html

  135. “Their mismanagement got so immediately bad that they became the first public school system in the USA to lose accreditation since 1969.”

    Yes, I only have to recall that huge ‘cooking-the-test-scores’ scandal that hit Atlanta’s public schools several years back; what a shameful debacle; big problem with public schools, if i may tangent for a moment here: it’s meta, of course, but part of it that the sytem of managment and authority is set up in a way in which figureheads will suffer and get nowhere if they acknowledge the truth.

    “The truth,” of course is that for all intents and purposes, “Closing the gap” is about as practical a possibility as is “squaring the circle”; I.Q., test-scores and the entire strata of their proxies are consistently stable and proven indicators over time, and that we’re now two, maybe three generations deep in terms of generations lost, and schools have to look at their role as more social-conditioning and vocational tech centers than what we think of when summoning traditional liberal-classical social and natural -science education; The curriculum has to match or at least be mindful of the real social politik that exists! ‘

    And right now it simply doesn’t. And that is a huuuge waste of time and money —- but anyone in charge and of relevance to public ed who says what I just did —– be they school-board members, superintendents, city mayors, state governors or other public-ed bureaucrats, direct or indirect, would have nothing to gain, or even lose their job outright, by saying what I just did.

    So, in turn, the charade simply moves along.

  136. “a Brooklyn organic grocery store plays “Sweet Home Alabama” and chaos ensues:”

    That is so tiresome and ridiculous; sometimes you see this stuff (i.e., this ‘sweet-home’ article, and, say, that photo showing the reaction of the Obama team meeting the Trump team that someone submitted here the other day) and you really got to wonder if they’re kidding, because it’s hard to believe that people can become that serious and full of conviction to a silly-ass stereotype way of being and perceiving….. I wonder if that ‘liberal bubble’ skit on SNL was intended more as high-minded self-compliment than critical self-reflection?

  137. That photo of the Obama staffer crying was absolutely real. There could be some debate about whether she was giving tears of joy or pain, but the photo was not doctored.

  138. I agreed with your retort, except for the part in which you said my comment exemplified your complaint.

    To understand where I am coming from, please listen to this Stefan Molyneux podcast, at the very least from 27:00 onward to the end. It is only 5 minutes, but he sums up what I believe more eloquently than I could ever hope to.

  139. This from the freshly released word-for-word transcript of Trump’s sit-down with the NY Times editorial board and political reporter staff:

    “DEAN BAQUET, executive editor of The New York Times: As you describe it, you did do something really remarkable. You energized a lot of people in the country who really wanted change in Washington. But along with that — and this is going to create a tricky thing for you — you also energized presumably a smaller number of people who were evidenced at the alt-right convention in Washington this weekend. Who have a very …

    TRUMP: I just saw that today.

    BAQUET: So, I’d love to hear you talk about how you’re going to manage that group of people who actually may not be the larger group but who have an expectation for you and are angry about the country and its — along racial lines. My first question is, do you feel like you said things that energized them in particular, and how are you going to manage that?

    TRUMP: I don’t think so, Dean. First of all, I don’t want to energize the group. I’m not looking to energize them. I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group. They, again, I don’t know if it’s reporting or whatever. I don’t know where they were four years ago, and where they were for Romney and McCain and all of the other people that ran, so I just don’t know, I had nothing to compare it to.

    But it’s not a group I want to energize, and if they are energized I want to look into it and find out why.

    What we do want to do is we want to bring the country together, because the country is very, very divided, and that’s one thing I did see, big league. It’s very, very divided, and I’m going to work very hard to bring the country together.

    I mean, I’m somebody that really has gotten along with people over the years. It was interesting, my wife, I went to a big event about two years ago. Just after I started thinking about politics.

    And we’re walking in and some people were cheering and some people were booing, and she said, you know, ‘People have never booed for you.’

    I’ve never had a person boo me, and all of a sudden people are booing me. She said, that’s never happened before. And, it’s politics. You know, all of a sudden they think I’m going to be running for office, and I’m a Republican, let’s say. So it’s something that I had never experienced before and I said, ‘Those people are booing,’ and she said, ‘Yup.’ They’d never booed before. But now they boo. You know, it was a group and another group was going the opposite.

    No, I want to bring the country together. It’s very important to me. We’re in a very divided country. In many ways divided. “

  140. “But it’s not a group I want to energize, and if they are energized I want to look into it and find out why.”

    Thank you for your interest and concern, Mr President Elect.

    Yes we are energized, and here is why.

    As White Americans, we will not be dispossessed of these our Homelands.

    We are given the mandate of destiny, to defend them. And so we will.

    ******************

    There is nothing esoteric or obscure in who we are, or what we are about.

    The political entity of this country is indeed a compromise. And we work with the reality on the ground.

    But politics comes from culture, and culture comes from identity, and identity is a reflection of race, and there is no getting away from this, and Mr President, you know all this. And we know that you know. And you know that we know that you know.

  141. Now that the AR has broken mainstream, there is a false front to it.

    Richard Spencer has stepped up into that role, for which he was born — for god’s sake, he was sieg heil-ing on camera at their recent conference in DC. What a clown.

    ********************

    A public disavowal of the AR by Trump, is to be expected. He cannot be president, and say that he wants to encourage racism.

    Aw shucks!

    Whatever, that’s cool. Ultimately though, “racism” DOES have to be acknowledged for what it is, which is right as rain.

    Racism is right as rain. As long as people are pretending not to prefer their own, there will be a disconnect between their “ideal” forms of government and civil discourse, and the reality on the ground.

    If our ideals are not in line with the basic human premise that is communities built up from families — then those ideals will be destructive to the people who matter most.

  142. “Racism is right as rain”

    A better metaphor:

    Racism is rain

    We are all attached to 20th century history at this point, and as long as the world is sustained to some considerable extent with a global economy? people will not be getting their ideas from the natural world but rather from the dissemination of the false narrative aka the shadows on the wall of the cave.

    The notion that a people ought not to prefer their own, requires that that people be already on the dissolve.

    (That people has already begun to dissolve, when their preference for themselves can be pathologized with a word.)

    And they are dissolved by a cultural and community network that is beyond the bounds of their personal extended kin-group.

    It is popular to sum up this point with the meme of SCALE, but it should be noted that the original sage Confucius himself was adamant that people did best when they were confined to their own villages. So it is not a new observation.

    **********

    This global social architecture is what allows for the poz. People are not evolved to live in a global society. So that is the disconnect that is experienced between those who want to evolve into Capital City Citizen Faggots, and those who stay in their own villages and true to their roots.

  143. — This from the freshly released word-for-word transcript of Trump’s sit-down with the NY Times editorial board and political reporter staff:

    What did you expect him to do — agree & amplify with his own Sieg Heil?

    Interesting how he segued from that subject into his displeasure with Melania being booed.

  144. Racism is rain

    And the AltRight articulates the dream of millions. We’re merely its spokesmen.

    What happens to a dream deferred?

  145. “What did you expect him to do — agree & amplify with his own Sieg Heil?”

    Why not? He’s quite candid about his expressing his ID in most other matters? Some need to do some research on his past; there’s no reason to think he has such an urge. None.

    “What happens to a dream deferred?”

    It goes back to the minds of those who projected it upon him and others, THAT’s what happens!

    “Interesting how he segued from that subject into his displeasure with Melania being booed.”

    That was an encapsulated bit from the sit-down that I posted, not the full, unedited transcript that the Times ran. (Actually, Trump opened with a three-minute unasked-for response about how much he was going to get the press to ‘like me’ even if you ‘don’t like me yet,’ etc. He then explained to a hypothetical press and public how he was going to transcend limitations of presidents before him, and then, again unrequested, he regaled the reporters and editors by explaining that he didn’t even try to win the popular vote —– but that he could’ve if he wanted to, but instead focused more practically on the electoral college.

    In short, he led off the meeting with a summation of the incredibleness of his win.,,,

    But: I get your point; and to show, once again, that my schadenfreude, like my being, can extend both ways, I offer you this quite outright hilarious link to bask in….

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/fashion/presidential-election-healing-yoga-vigils-meditation-self-care.html?contentCollection=weekendreads&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=c-column-middle-span-region&region=c-column-middle-span-region&WT.nav=c-column-middle-span-region

    Ya just can’t make stuff like this up this year, eh? Lol!!

  146. to wit:

    here’s the first sentence of that nytimes story link i just posted; again, you SIMPLY CANNOT MAKE SUCH NONSENSE UP!

    “They were a cheerful, if slightly dazed, group last Thursday evening at Voz, a store on Elizabeth Street that sells ethical fashion made by indigenous people…..”

    Wow!!

  147. “What did you expect him to do — agree & amplify with his own Sieg Heil?”

    Why not? He’s quite candid about his expressing his ID in most other matters? Some need to do some research on his past; there’s no reason to think he has such an urge. None.

    LOL, you have truly gone off the deep end now. He’s not a white nationalist nor an alt-righter, hence there’s no “ID” to express along those lines.

    You’ve got quite a girlish screechsteria thing going on with Trump, you’re not rational in the least. For whatever reason you think that because alt-righters support him as a candidate then he must somehow exactly match their every want and need or the whole thing explodes.

    Stop trying to play the wise, discerning middle guy and just admit that you’re a butthurt stock, offshelf, garden variety liberal Obamist like any other.

    he regaled the reporters and editors by explaining that he didn’t even try to win the popular vote —– but that he could’ve if he wanted to, but instead focused more practically on the electoral college.

    He didn’t try to win the popular vote. Do your research.

    He appeared something like once in Texas and once in Georgia, two GOP strongholds of 10+ million population where he could’ve ran up margins that would’ve made the popular vote more tight, if he needed to. But the popular vote isn’t what wins it.

    Hillary was + 3.5 million raw votes in California, +800K in Illinois and +1.5 million in New York.

    This bubble chamber states account for all of the discrepancy, and then some. These are states that Trump didn’t even bother with very much, and for good reason.

    In short, he led off the meeting with a summation of the incredibleness of his win.,,,

    His campaign outsmarted Hillary’s in every conceivable way:

    1. The endless grievance parade at the Democratic convention was not strategic in the least

    2. “Stronger together” was a dumb, stale slogan that had ZERO affect in the working class/rust belt areas where she had to perform at least as well as Obama.

    2. Hillary was aloof and didn’t lift a finger unless she saw an opportunity to satisfy a focus group, minority photo-op or opportunity to wag her finger at core Americans for some perceived slight (“deplorables”)

  148. “Stop trying to play the wise, discerning middle guy and just admit that you’re a butthurt stock, offshelf, garden variety liberal Obamist like any other.”

    Whaddya talking about? I’m not butthurt; and re. T being a WN? I said he ‘has no such urge,’ a sentence or two before you needlessly chastised me over saying or implying that he was, though i did neither.

    You are the one who seems to be not reading too carefully. Something needs to be clarified; i have no trump schadenfreude; i could imagine getting along with him, having a fraternal-driven mutual-put-down-humor-type camaraderie; i would be much more ill-suited temperamentally in the company of HRC. My only real political fronting involves me having to bite my tongue upon hearing outrageous liberal/leftist platitudes about public ed at staff meetings, inservices, worshops, etc., ad nauseum.

    And I have no angst or anxiety about budding WNs; rightly or wrongly, I don’t take them very seriously and summon the sort-of survivalist, ammo-obsessed social misfit who many here champion and romanticize but I believe is a albatross for those interested in pushing sober and potentially obtainable white-right agendas.

    Unlike most, I seek balance and communal race relations for those who want as much. But what’s rare if not revolutionary in my philosophy is I seek clear communication and non-vilification WITH THOSE WHO WANT AND SEEK RACIAL SEPARATION; i believe there is sickness and unfinished business among those who have to hide or clandestinize their social impulses. I think some of the polarity is unnecessary and unhealthy and particularly ironic because, via modern Euro-created technology, can be successfully circumvented.

    Cam, don’t be such a gloat-filled banana and beef-up your reading comprehension! 🙂

    Happy Thanksgiving, my blog buds!

  149. But what’s rare if not revolutionary in my philosophy is I seek clear communication and non-vilification WITH THOSE WHO WANT AND SEEK RACIAL SEPARATION; i believe there is sickness and unfinished business among those who have to hide or clandestinize their social impulses.

    What do you suggest is the unfinished business?

  150. And I have no angst or anxiety about budding WNs; rightly or wrongly, I don’t take them very seriously

    @nikcrit —

    Are the participants on this blog WN, in your opinion?

    Since, as you say, you don’t take them seriously, do you expect that they should they take you seriously?

    And if not, what is the point?

  151. Trump and Bannon. Serious people such as they? i can’t imagine they have time for online larping. Too busy.

    No but on the real it is taken for granted that there is some value in reading and writing and participating.

    I have my doubts about it too, nikcrit. It really is mostly for fun, a way to demonstrate my rapist wit which doesn’t get enough appreciation in real life from the cows around here. Fucking no good worthless piece of shit skank-ass ho’s.

  152. Everyone likes to talk about themselves, but you can only be interesting to other people to the extent that you talk about them, but since you don’t know them, we have to settle for talking on what we have in common, which is two things: white women and politics.

  153. elk, that’s a good question and one that makes me realize that I didn’t parse my own definition of WN enough before dismissing it.

    I guess I would technically define WN as those who seriously want to create a segregated white ethnostate —— and some here do, including the blog host.

    So yeah, you got me. But: Going by my own qualifcated offering on ‘why i come here,’ which you later asked as well, I offered that my particularly unusual if not revolutionary aim is to “seek clear communication and non-vilification WITH THOSE WHO WANT AND SEEK RACIAL SEPARATION.”

    I went on to say that i believe problems arise for those who have to suppress such wishes, and/or get socially punished for doing as much —- thus, the source of that ‘unfinished business.’

    That’s a good point you nailed me on; i really wasn’t very clear about that.

  154. “Fucking no good worthless piece of shit skank-ass ho’s.”

    Many people in this country, especially among the alt-right and man-o-sphere crowd, would argue that the Twin Cities area contains some of the finest-looking women in the U.S.

    Perhaps you’re like me in the sense that, having grown up around Scandinavian women from Day One, you’re somewhat unenamored with their iconry; it’s just not that rare a commodity in the Upper Midwest, no?

  155. There’s this Somalian girl who works the counter at my health club in the northern suburbs. She’s a refugee who’s been here for 15 years; until last spring she lived in St. Louis Park before coming here for college; she says the older, longtime Somalian immigrants are embarassed by the wildness of the newcomers.

    I think her look is interesting and unusual relative to most of the black girls in Milwaukee: she looks and talks like a white girl from Apple Valley, but her skin tone is dark brown; she looks sort of like Iman, the model who was married to Bowie, but younger and less jaded. Her boyfriend is a white engineering major; funny part is, unless i’m making too much of it, I get the vibe she’s flirting with me, even though i’m very likely twice her age. (there is no chance i would push to find out if she’s serious. zilch).

  156. “Racism is rain”
    Comes down on Jew
    Like wholly father
    Disturbs the dirt
    Sprouts real Cain
    Which then enables
    A virtual Bane…
    The Anti-Racist
    Pumping hate through his veins
    Hiding under human
    Makes war
    On every normal thing…

  157. What it takes to navigate the “matrixs” is a penchant for “radical autonomy.”

    Donald Trump is a radical autonomist by way of the corporate mechanism who just started thinking about politics a few years ago. Lol!

    Donald Trump will make deal with whomever facilitates in the maximizing of Donald Trump’s autonomy.

    A genuine white Supremacist can make Donald Trump deal in the deepest and most substantial of psychological manner.

    Starting with Trump AS white father and ending with Trump as an “elite” anti-(white) Supremacist.

    This ^^^ is not a good face.

    It would be the face of total deception.

    The false “face” of a radical autonomist.

  158. The Somali culture around here does not seem to object to their women marrying out.

    Perhaps they figure, like the jews, that as part of their strategy.

    They are by nature ethnocentric, so it would seem odd that they don’t object to their women marrying out, but it is a fact that (it would seem) they do not.

  159. Without doing any research, there are 100 thousand Somalis in Minnesota, so that is about 2 per cent of the population. And of course they have made inroads into local politics.

    They are “smart” like that. They know the value of it. Whereas White Americans, don’t grab for those opportunities.

    The local PBS state politics weekly round-up is called Almanac, and it is a much revered show with a long tradition, and it is left-leaning. Recently on their panel was the newly elected state legislator from Chanhassan, which town is comparable to Apple Valley but less suburban and more rural, and whiter.

    And what do you know, their new legislator is a 20-something, maybe 32, mixed brown Hispanic. She is hot, like a solid 8.

    But the point being that she is young and ambitious and in a powerful position, and she was elected by white people from the exburbs.

  160. Those young people in the state legislature? the ones i have seen, the young ones who are not white are openly advocating for diversity and all that, whereas the white ones are stuck in the old politics of liberalism and “principled” conservatism.

    It is that missing link that the AR was trying to address. If you an aggressive young go-getter (with a full head of hair!) and not white and get into the state legislature, you advocate for diversity. And if you are white and get into the state legislature, you are generally not an aggressive young go-getter (with a full head of hair), but more likely a pasty-faced fatso on about “muh values”.

    Now that Trump has shifted the Overton window, we can say that immigration has got to stop and etc etc etc. But the point i wanted to make is how, among ambitious young white people (with good hair), local politics was about the last thing they would have wanted to get into.

    The channel of local politics, the reality of it, the schmoozing, the losers, the grease — not very glamourous. For squares, and even for them not cool.

    Whereas for the local blacks and browns, the ones who get into the political scene are HIGHLY ESTEEMED by their peers.

    The political process has become in exercise in milking the cow of America. And so if you are a core American, what kind of person is attracted to the idea of milking his own mother?

    Whereas if you are not white, it’s not milking your own mom, it’s stealing the eggs from the hen-house.

  161. “It is that missing link that the AR was trying to address.”

    The missing link is the political process that doesn’t advocate for ourselves.

    The AR has been trying to address that. But now the AR is commoditized. The scuttlebutt on the cool kids forum is that the AR is dead and that Spencer killed it with his +5 Salute of Death.

  162. “Now that Trump has shifted the Overton window”

    How so?

    I don’t know enough about her to say with certainty, but it’s my hunch that she would be totally culturally alienated if she was forced to go back to Somalia; she came here when she was a preschooler, for God’s sake She’s more grateful and contented and less disgruntled than you are. So why does she ‘have to go’ and just why is it such a easy read when determining if she’s a ‘giver’-vs-‘taker?’

    Geez, talk about ingratitude! I’m betting she’s not a immigrant who runs a clandestine blog about how awful America is. I’m for free speech as much as the next guy; but the comparison I just suggested is what immediately would come to mind for many-upon-many native born Americans, NAM and non-NAM alike.

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