The Power of the Weak Stomach

Why do some of the most highly talented people resist the temptation of being granted status in exchange for serving the neoliberal program? Vladimir reintroduces this question:

[What] accounts for those rare smart individuals who are immune to this pressure? Some years ago you left a memorable comment on Moldbug’s blog that has stuck with me ever since, asking why e.g. Steve Sailer didn’t become a New York Times opinion writer, and Lawrence Auster an Ivy League professor. Both certainly had the talent and opportunity, but instead chose a life of comparable obscurity and low status just because the regular mode of rationalizing progressive dogma somehow doesn’t work with them.

Yes, I remember that thread. Off the cuff, it may help to assume that the kind of a person who doesn’t sell his talents cheaply doesn’t necessarily, fully choose his dissent. It chooses him.

The things that create the dissident can be prosaic, such as an inability to network. But I think there is the genuine Disgust Threshold element at play too. I explored that angle in a post titled Disgust, which features Zbigniew Herbert’s poem “The Power of Taste” in translation:

It did not require great character at all
our refusal our disagreement and resistance
we had the necessary shred of courage
but fundamentally it was a matter of taste

The power of the weak stomach: it doesn’t even have to be framed in the language of principle. My parents, for example, were upper middle class strivers in a 1960s/70s Poland but they refused to join the Party and they went to church, and both of those things complicated their careers. Later, as a teenager in the U.S., I asked my dad if he didn’t join the Communist Party because he didn’t wanna be a sellout and he shrugged that it wasn’t anything that melodramatic — rather, he said, being in the Party meant that you’d have to spend a lot of time making ridiculous speeches to rooms full of people you couldn’t stomach.

In grad school, I could have greased my way to what I thought of at the time as a promising academic career — I was a popular T.A. and tutor and fancied myself an “inspiring teacher” — but I couldn’t take portions of the syllabus seriously and naïvely, on multiple occasions I discussed my reservation with the profs. They got snippy. I jumped that ship.

An organization I once disaffiliated myself from was home to people I respect as well as to those high functioning, with-the-program progressives. Shitlib faces, as Heartiste calls them, are overrepresented among those featured on that org’s web site. The soft-smug smiles, the “thoughtful” hand-on-chin poses in their professional portraits, the bio statements frontloaded with lib-signaling.

Which things in our progressive utopia make you sick?

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(Like a Degenerate: a NSFW parody of Lana Del Rey’s song.)

 

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355 thoughts on “The Power of the Weak Stomach

  1. Which things in our progressive utopia make you sick?

    I’m pretty sure I have an extremely low disgust threshold. Which things in our culture make me sick? For one, I cannot stomach even the idea of having sex with a woman who’s had other penises inside her; the very idea makes my stomach turn.

    There was a thread a few years ago on another blog (Foseti? Orthosphere? I can’t remember) where we were asked to describe how we became “reactionaries”. I explained, in keeping with the poem you excerpted above, that even in high school I never subscribed to the liberal baloney – it just always seemed obviously false to me. Now I suppose I would attribute this to a combination of disgust threshold and spergy honesty.

  2. The slight, squirrel-like hunch of a nearby woman’s back as she stares mindlessly into a rectangular widget. Bad female posture gets to me more than the tech stupor or superfluous boating laws

  3. Nothing is more sickening than the madness of seeing the DNC put the mother of Michael Brown on stage as if her son is some sort of hero.

  4. I was on track for spending my 20’s in that quasi-academic-quasi-NGO-quasi-State Dept fellowship world of “international education” in Europe.

    Two things tripped me up:

    1. I started off in the Balkans, where the cynicism, striving, and nakedly progressive/political nature of that world was on full display;

    2. I simply couldn’t stomach the people I was encountering. I realized I couldn’t spend my time — even drunk, fellowship cash in my pocket, with a beautiful Euro backdrop — listening to the mandatory drivel that came out of the mouths of State Dept employees, fellow fellowshippers, Peace Corps volunteers, and native strivers.

    I realized that working on cars in the Midwest among the hillbillies of my youth was preferable (or at least, more tolerable), so I returned.

    It took a few years to stumble on Moldbug. When I did, I needed no convincing of the Cathedral, as I had spend those early years hobnobbing with it’s State-and-Soros funded SWPL footsoldiers.

    As you say, this is certainly no heroic gesture on my part, and wasn’t really an act of moral courage. I just couldn’t sit through conversations without a look of naked disgust creeping across my face.

  5. Which things in our progressive utopia make you sick?

    How much time you got?

    An interesting idea that was introduced to me by the iconoclast James Bowery, was that Depression is a response to an environment where you can’t get angry and kill.

    I was slash am depressed for most of my life.

    Life sucks but what can you do?

  6. I know that PA is making a point, but i really don’t want to see

    Gay Crotch Syndrome

    [That’s a fair request. I changed it to a hyperlink. — PA]

    **********************

    A childhood friend turned gay and offered to get me off.

    His penis was mutilated and not able to appreciate and enjoy the vagina.

    The circumcised penis needs more pressure to get off and this leads to an increase in the incidence of anal sex and faggotry — but hey what does that have to do with the alt-right?

  7. I’m with Cam on how to tip my disgust meter; per his example, I almost wonder if those DNC speaker bookers aren’t GOP double agents, as I can’t believe any adult would seriously belief props like Brown’s mother hold any actual merit or sway among the undecided electorate…… Speaking of, there were other outrages of disgust or semi-disgust speaking at the convention: Meryl Streep, Star Jones, etc . The mere concept of trading on pop-cult success for political capitol and/or gain is sorta putrid in and of itself—– but of course such principle makes the world go ’round.

  8. Gay Crotch Syndrome

    What’s sickening is that there’s over 1 million people walking around with HIV in the USA right now, according to the CDC. I can’t imagine the cost of their health insurance over the next two decades when they all sign up for Obamacare, and who is going to take care of these folks when they’re old?

    20% of gay males are HIV-positive, and amongst gay black males the HIV+ rate is over 50%.

  9. ***…trading on pop-cult success for political capitol and/or gain…***

    I wasn’t surprised to hear of El Chapo cohorting openly with male movie stars like Sean Penn. These guys aren’t Godfathers, whether in politics or in the illicit realms. They’re imitating the movies. No living ‘real deal’ in the drug game has a Wikipedia page, be sure of it.

  10. ***I was slash am depressed for most of my life.***

    Exercise is the only cure. It’s retarded, I know. But develop your own “routine” and it becomes enjoyable. I’d have jumped off a cliff even before hitting my teens if it weren’t for cross-training etc

  11. Bryan Cranston is campaigning for Hillary and I overheard a liberal saying she would vote for Hillary if he told her to.

  12. Movie stars aren’t better than regular people. They are allowed to vote how they want, and I’ll vote how I want.

  13. Cormac McCarthy is second-rate. If he’d mingled with actual pirates, Indians and the like, then crystallized real experiences in letters, he might have my attention. Another think about progressive utopia: its allergy and fear is unmediated experience

  14. I’m not that annoyed by the DNC using Michael Brown’s mother. They want the black vote and are at least being honest about that. That definitely won’t help them with people in law enforcement.

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  16. I think you’re on to somethingn, but that isn’t enough to explain it and just deepens the mystery to why these individuals have such a set of stubborn disgusts, which in most other people are incredibly culturally malleable.

    Aren’t progressives always expressing ‘elitist’ / mean-girl-like sentiments of cliquish disgust regarding plenty of conservative or traditionalist individuals or lifestyle aspects? “These evangelical Christians make me want to vomit! Ew, I know what you mean. ”

    The visceral reaction meant to protect us from chemically and socially toxic circumstances can apparently be warped by the social context to almost any degree of unnaturalness if the individual perceives on some level that some set of protective revulsions is optimal for their overall success in their cultural and physical environments.

    Indeed, it has long been known that children can be socialized into genuinely enjoying what are disgusting rotten foods for almost any other group, so long as they observe high-status individuals enjoying it, and their bodies learn after some exposure that the substance, however foul, is nutriitious and won’t make them sick. Their brains will apparently go so far as to disable or reduce sensitivity to the usual aromatic and texture indicators that would normally indicate some item found in nature wasn’t fit to eat and should be avoided at all costs.

    In many cultures, demonstrating a strong stomach or ability to overcome nausea-inducing circumstances is a common signal of stoic masculinity.

    Indeed, if you think about it, many typical ‘adult consumption substances’ start out as too harsh, unpleasant, or disgusting for children, but they eventually learn to adjust and enjoy these things later, usually helped along through these socialized exposures.

    I think it was heartiste who posted an excerpt of an article about the malleability of female disgust instincts regarding certain sexual practices if they were in a relationship with a high value male, and I think the logic of this disgusy disabling feature extends naturally into other human affairs.

    Personally, I find that I have had to work at suppressing some of these implanted notions of social disgust in order to remain engaged in some alt-right venues and be able to assess claims fairly and with an open mind, and without letting any gut anxieties regarding the hazard of guilt by association manifest themselves in this instinctive way in the form of social repugnance or aversion.

  17. The whole fucking thing disgusts me, tbh. Where would I start? The shallowness and cluelessness of most people, for instance, living lies. But there’s still beauty and joy to be found if you know where to look.

  18. There’s a genetic component of WN that cannot be taught.

    To be a WN today means that one was able to reject all of the media propaganda and then to seek out the proper information. One has to be able to reject the tremendous social pressure the multicult exerts.

    But even within WN, there are members with rare gifts. Anders is a genetic freak; his ability was probably one in 10 million. Similar with Tim or Ted.

  19. I can’t fucking stand depressives and negative people. Just the other week I had occasion to loudly and publicly reprimanded a colleague for poisoning the office environment with his bitching and moaning. A married, educated fiftysomething professional, in managed accounts, who, it later transpired, was facing some marital issues (wife threatening divorce). A managing director heard me and took me aside, explaining that my colleague wasn’t performing and wasn’t going to be around much longer. By Monday he was gone. If you’re not here to win, then go home. GTFO.

  20. A divorce in America is something that can defintely cause depression.

    Why didn’t you teach him some MRM and PUA, LBF? It could have been a great opportunity, a teachable moment.

    Now, he’ll definitely be divorced. No job, no money, no wife or family. He’ll probably eat a bullet soon.

  21. Angst is for adolescence, if ever. If you’re still dealing with it at 20, you’re not in any physical condition to be proud of. Get your ass on a mountain and start doing sprints until you vomit in the rubble. If you’re too cool for the weight room, then it’s pistol squats, pull ups and clap push-ups — many sets until failure. Treat depression like a crazed whore that’s stalking your legacy and pillaging your soul

  22. Funny you mention that, Ryu, because he actually joked about cutting himself. Talk about awkward. He was also on drugs. Too much money. The emotionalism with these people is what I can’t tolerate.

    EPG ~ Exactly. Well said.

  23. Aren’t progressives always expressing ‘elitist’ / mean-girl-like sentiments of cliquish disgust regarding plenty of conservative or traditionalist individuals or lifestyle aspects?

  24. — Now I suppose I would attribute this to a combination of disgust threshold and spergy honesty. (Samson J.)

    For me it’s the low disgust threshold and innate Romanticism (capital R)

    — Nothing is more sickening than the madness of seeing the DNC put the mother of Michael Brown on stage as if her son is some sort of hero (Camlost)

    They’ve taken the gloves and the masks off.

    — I just couldn’t sit through conversations without a look of naked disgust creeping across my face (r.wilbur)

    Interesting thing to relate from your time in the Balkans. I was in contact with some of those Eastern Europe-focused NGOs when I lived in Boston, briefly under the foolish assumption that they are “there to help.”

    — Weight training is gay (Suburban_elk)

    I lift but when I want to mix things up with my routine, I spend 20 intense minutes with a heavybag.

    — I can’t believe any adult would seriously belief props like Brown’s mother hold any actual merit or sway among the undecided electorate (Nikcrit)

    It’s come down to identity. There is not much in the way of undecided voter anymore because everybody instinctively knows what side he’s on. Idiot white (lower case w) voters who are still with Hillary because compassion are going to be the last ones to seek shelter where they ought to have been in the first place. Whether they’ll be allowed in, is to be seen.

    — Bryan Cranston is campaigning for Hillary (Lara)

    That makes him an example of a talented person without much of a disgust reflex. On more than one level, in this case.

    — Aren’t progressives always expressing ‘elitist’ / mean-girl-like sentiments of cliquish disgust regarding plenty of conservative or traditionalist individuals or lifestyle aspects? “These evangelical Christians make me want to vomit! Ew, I know what you mean.” (Handle)

    That opens the doors to a whole new set of questions. How much of that is genuine revulsion and how much of it is an act they fool themselves with? If nothing else, the lib’s life is loaded with hypocrisy. They devote immense amount of energy, mostly with little self-awareness, into avoiding personal contact with the things they profess to believe.

    — Indeed, if you think about it, many typical ‘adult consumption substances’ start out as too harsh, unpleasant, or disgusting for children, but they eventually learn to adjust and enjoy these things later, usually helped along through these socialized exposures. (Handle)

    I still remember inhaling my first cigarette.

    — The whole fucking thing disgusts me, tbh. Where would I start? (Laguna Beach Fogey)

    “The slight, squirrel-like hunch of a nearby woman’s back as she stares mindlessly into a rectangular widget” per EPG is a very good start.

    — But there’s still beauty and joy to be found if you know where to look. (Laguna Beach Fogey)

    Can’t ever lose sight of that. Greek gods were superior to humans by every measure, but they envied us for one thing: our short life, and even shorter youth. As immortals, they knew that they could never feel life as intensely as we mortals do. With so much engineered ugliness around today, you value the commonplace revelations of health and beauty. With a keen eye, you see it everywhere.

    — To be a WN today means that one was able to reject all of the media propaganda and then to seek out the proper information. One has to be able to reject the tremendous social pressure the multicult exerts. (Ryu)

    Yes, and that means that you are a leader and not a follower. Not necessarily a leader in a formal sense but at minimum, someone who is capable of pointing natural followers in the right direction.

    — Get your ass on a mountain and start doing sprints until you vomit in the rubble. (Each Pond Gone)

    In my “Guilt and Atonement” post I wrote “Do something. The worst thing you can do is curl up and marinate in your dread.”

  25. Cormac McCarthy is second-rate. If he’d mingled with actual pirates, Indians and the like, then crystallized real experience

    At least he writes with periods.

    Calling Cormac second-rate, around here, is apostasy.

    Give me a break. He is god, and you are not.

  26. Because the frame of mass “white” man is an environment full of “selection pressures” shaping his very Self (through manipulation of his ego), he is not privy to the reframe that puts highly intelligent “white” males with a penchant for propheteering AS THE dominant “selection pressures” LEADING to our colllective descent.

    So the “deal with the devil” is a mass DISPOSSESSION of the white man to the very specific benefit of a high IQ “jewhite” cabal of faggots and dykes. A sexually degenerare and deracinated cabal seeking A DEFAULT status BY WAY of a self-annihilating mass of mere liberal mediocres.

  27. EPG almost won me over to his idiosyncratic style, but calling Cormac second-rate is SOOOO pretentious that i am going to vomit.

    Alright, kid — we are at war.

    Meet your new critic.

  28. If this octagon only has white fathers, “white” faggots and single “white” males in it… Who has been KO’d? Has anyone tapped out? Who is really fighting the good fight? Who is the real villain in this venue? And who will OUR God desire to “see” standing?

  29. In a radically autonomous society, sticks and stones never break your bones, but words shall ever destroy you.

  30. Cormac? Never heard of him.

    Must be a high IQ single “white” male “thing?”

    Or, is Cormac well known amongst white fathers with above-average intelligence?

    What pressure is there to change this dynamic?

  31. Cormac never had black friends whom he called “nigger” while staring them straight in the eye. Where are his southern stripes? He hangs out with the science worshipers in New Mexico. He is a Vonnegut that knows Texas is king. I’m sure he’d also pretentiously (and publicly) have nothing to do with semi-colons. He loves him some Apocalypse! But he forgot to live…

  32. EPG,

    I agree that calling out McCarthy is weak. As if just about every other living author known isn’t a more suitable target.

    This, from a guy who’s not all that enamored with his style of pedigree, his stark existential nihilist perspective.

    But cred where cred is due and all that.

  33. Cormac? Never heard of him.

    Cormac McCarthy is the ONLY author of our day and age.

    Jimminy Christmas, TD — you have no excuses, not to have read him.

    Start with No Country for Old Men.

    *********************

    By the way, thordaddy — saying that you have never heard of him; and EPG — calling him second-rate? reveals your own limitations.

    Cormac is god, and you are not.

  34. ***As if just about every other living author known isn’t a more suitable target.***

    Agreed. One should mainly go way back and way forward for artistic rivalry. Everyone thinks their own era is weak.

  35. EPG — you have talent, btw — otherwise i wouldn’t bother to insult you.

    My internet record is 20 and 2. I have had my ass kicked once or twice, as well.

  36. Elk…

    Sorry man… Haven’t read a fictional book in my entire life. I was a jock and then a father with really no in between. In fact, I’ve only read, I believe from sheer memory, two non-fictional books from front to back. That being Duesberg’s slam of AIDS and Hawking’s “brief history.” This isn’t some valiant stance. It’s just the facts, man.

    But the larger point is that white fathers don’t have the time as single “white” males must to immerse themselves in such “high culture.”

    Isn’t this the point?

    You have immersed yourself in Cormac BECAUSE you have no children?

    And now you take pot shots to obscure this simple revelation…

    WHICH SUGGESTS YOUR ACCOUNTABILITY as HIGH IQ single “white” male TO IMPRESS “high culture” on the descending “white” masses. (if you only had God-ordained free will and a sense of perfecting yourself).

    But you don’t do such a thing.

    Instead, your inteliigence tells you to let the “dummies” find “high culture” for themselves.

    I say you stay mired in “radical autonomy” as a result.

  37. EPG…

    Is that a serious discussion of “universal equality” between “black” “alpha” dyke and “white” “beta” faggot?

  38. Cormac was on Oprah.

    Kill me now and quickly.

    What could she possibly have asked him? what could he possibly have answered?

    Very much FAIL, Cormac.

    The themes that he introduced, were WHITE.

    Last man standing, and violence rules.

    And but to see him sitting there, with that bitch.

  39. Pretty much everyone in media or entertainment is Oprah-fied and worshiping at the altar of PC now. That should not be a surprise to anyone.

  40. elk-

    I read The Road (regrettably), and then saw a painful clip of him on Oprah. I thus avoided Blood Meridian, which men I respect have called unforgettable. Call me biased, if you’d like.

  41. The assumption Elk… And this is the general assumption of the alt-rite… Is per your high intelligence, you have with a knowledge of time-preference PUT YOURSELF at Final Liberation WHICH IS EQUAL TO a total annihilation of the self.

    SO…

    You are FULLY, WELL AWARE of the linear logical progression of “progressivism” FINALIZING in total annihilation of the self, ie., self-annihilation…

    BUT…

    You CANNOT STOMACH the most simplest and straightforward of solutions…

    And you will not even yield to the law of next RADICAL step…

    Radical autonomy –> white Supremacy.

    All HEALTHY-MINDED white men SHOULD find a collective will in striving towards Perfection.

    And you are not it…. A high IQ, high cultured, holdout.

    It’s worthy of depression.

    And so you get what you want.

  42. Wow… That’s Cormac? If he would have worn green, he’d be Gumby. And I saw his movie. The despair of an old man who didn’t fight when he could. That’s what I see.

  43. And speaking of that movie, it wasn’t that evil won at the end against the general theme of “happy endings.” It was that you really didn’t see evil win at the end. It was just kind of implied in the same way that it is implied that a “wise man” resigns himself to the fact of a diminished defense of his own life by his very own hands. The movie is a projected psychops of a highly intelligent “white” male who has come to grips with his tendency toward self-annihilation. “No country for old (white) men” is sheer propheteering, Cormac’s stint on Oprah is more subtle submission to an “intelligent resign.”

  44. So in very short order, the REAL TRUTH has turned the table.

    To be Cormac’d is to be infected with OLD “white” liberal pathology. So to have either resisted his work or merely avoided it by chance… Or to have properly deconstructed his pathology so as to resist infection… IS THE OPEN OPPORTUNITY to seek truly “high culture” not to the negation of a despairingly deceptive opportunity cost disguised as the wisdom of our elders.

  45. The idea that an “equal” society has a mandate to rid itself of its “bullies” is a profoundly liberated mindset. It’s multifarious effect can be gleaned from the dissolved “selection pressure” of a boy made to stand up to the “bully” all the way to the delusional denial of grown adult “white” males unable to “see” they are paid “bullies” of the zeitgeist and to all those situations in between where simple “white’ males just must bear the white teeth and white knuckles of the hated “bully” in a moment of REAL self-defense.

    Cormac “smells” of the anti-bully mindset. But a MOTIVATED anti-bully mindset drenched in the stench of anti-wS.

  46. <Wow… That’s Cormac? If he would have worn green, he’d be Gumby. And I saw his movie. The despair of an old man who didn’t fight when he could. That’s what I see.

    I am not sure that i would impress you either, at the bar.

    My bench is 200 and i can do 12 pull-ups right now, and that is nothing but who are you?

    You are missing the point, thordaddy. The message is the medium.

    He is a genius, and you are not.

    Have respect where it is due.

  47. A lot of this “be a better man”

    “Be a bigger man”

    is based on having had your dick clipped.

    An intact man doesn’t need to be bigger and better.

    thordaddy? you exist at PA’s pleasure.

  48. Who in the fuck is ‘Cormac’? Jesus Murphy, stop pretending this is some guy that ‘everyone’ has heard of.

  49. “Who in the fuck is ‘Cormac’?”

    Someone that will soon be forgotten, dick clipped or not. He flirted with the south from a distance. At libraries. Avoiding semicolons on typewriters. Playing hardball on Oprah. His own muse didn’t return his love, because he was too scared to look her in the face. Sling some yayo on the border in your formative years, and you start to see some things — and right through others.

  50. “Sorry man… Haven’t read a fictional book in my entire life.”

    That could explain your theoretical frameworks containing themselves to about six or seven highly repeated terms and expressions.

  51. “Trickin —

    Are you still working on your long-form article?”/i>

    No, not really; as usual for long-story ideas, i did some indexing of articles and other sources, but then fell back into procrastination mode….. However, I have been asked in the last few days to write for a ‘real’ periodical about the recent disturbances here in Brewtown, drawing from my own experiences here and from the perspective of my current gig..

    But your title has real promise.

  52. elk,
    Go to Google books and look up Harold Bloom’s “How to Read and Why” and then index-search the parts that focus on McCarthy; the last chapter in the book spends time discussing Bloom’s choice “modern masters” —– writers still living or only recently expired; Bloom speaks very highly of him, setting him atop even his other faves. If I remember correctly, the general thrust of Bloom’s analysis is that McCarthy is the literary legacy bearer of William Faulkner.

  53. “No, not really; as usual for long-story ideas, i did some indexing of articles and other sources, but then fell back into procrastination mode…..”

    What I meant to make clear that, having done daily deadlines or commissioned mag pieces, it’s hard for me to get deeply into a writing project unless it’s already been budgeted and/or commissioned.

  54. RE: “Russell’s paradox !!”

    I was unfamiliar from the term; upon reading the wiki explanation, i’m still not sure I get the precise meaning….. Would I have still been suspect had I said “your theoretical framework contains itself to about six or seven highly repeated terms and expressions. “

  55. Men, try to minimize revealing your private idols on Web forums. It’s bad for you, and even worse for the revered grinder in question.

  56. Elk….

    I think the beauty of our mutual provocation is that I get pushed closer to wS and you delve farther into radical autonomy.

    Nikcrit…

    I glimpsed through “Grapes of Wrath” and “A Heart of Darkness” once for a junior AP English class. Never read those two famous fictions from front to back though.

    I’ve also estimated 10k plus head collisions in about ten years worth of football.

    Say what you will.

  57. Go to Google books and look up Harold Bloom’s “How to Read and Why” and then index-search the parts that focus on McCarthy;

    Actually I’d recommend NOT reading that review until you have read the book as it contains spoilers. I do have to hop on the bandwagon and endorse Blood Meridian as one of the best novels I have ever read. The persistent theme of course is violence, and some would say it is far too violent. However having read Empire of the Summer Moon just before, I;d say the violence depicted in Blood Meridian was probably pretty accurate for that time and place in history. Empire of the Summer Moon is a great book for anyone who still believes in the “noble savage” myth. Nikcrit I think would enjoy it because it centers around Quanah Parker, the half blood ubermensch Comanche chief.

    https://www.amazon.com/Empire-Summer-Moon-Comanches-Powerful/dp/1416591060

  58. “I glimpsed through “Grapes of Wrath” and “A Heart of Darkness” once for a junior AP English class. Never read those two famous fictions from front to back though.”

    You were in Advanced Placement-level literary classes and never read a book in its entirety? You’d fit in at a lot of the schools I go to today…

    I could see you having read Conrad; there’s a bit of that man-in-the-wild-with-no-airs thing about you, too, or so your avatar is amenable to…. I also think of PA as “Conradian” in some of his ways; he disagrees but I say his racial frame of reference is exemplified in whole by Conrad’s “Nigger of the Narcissus.”

  59. “Actually I’d recommend NOT reading that review until you have read the book as it contains spoilers. I do have to hop on the bandwagon and endorse Blood Meridian as one of the best novels I have ever read.”

    My comment was directed at elk and i’m pretty sure he’s read McCarthy’s books….. but the rest of you should heed MGE’s advice and steer clear.

  60. tdaddy, Dostoyesvki can be winning literature for the street smart. I also skated through AP without getting near their “lists.” A good strategy.

  61. Harold Bloom — a lit critic from the Bronx?? Only in the USA. I will never read him, but he has my respect.

  62. I realize I have very few almost no male friends. Guys my age disgust me because of their petty jealousies of my success with women. They call me a womaniser or say my “lifestyle” is a turnoff to women and I “need to be careful”! about my reputation.

    I now have “plates” who are in their 20s and love banging and hanging out without cramping my lifestyle.

    I hate how instead of bettering themselves people put me down for my initiative.

    It’s so much easier to be a silent drone. Get along go along.

    Having strong opinions and not accepting bad behaviour means I end up cutting a lot of people out of my life.

  63. Nikcrit…

    No… I’ve never read a fiction from front to back. I have read “Inventing the AIDS virus” by Duesberg, “A Brief History in Time” by Hawking AND “The Art of Selfishness” by Ayn Rand.

    Duesberg set me onto the zeitgeist. Hawking exposed the LIMITS of material reality and Rand showed me the “radical autonomy” in Objectivism.

  64. Harold Bloom… And a closing of the American mind…

    Just not because MRKN “teachers” preach anti-(white) Supremacy…

    And certainly not because they “proselytize” the mandate of “equality.”

    And excuse me for repeating myself like a naughty parrot.

  65. The only Cormac M I’ve read is “All The Pretty Horses,” which I found ok but not exceptional by any means. Maybe that was the wrong choice. If you want to read a Western, try “Butcher’s Crossing” by John Williams.

    At any case, I’ve been on a William Dean Howells jag. Much under-rated writer (too “realistic” for the high falutin’ set). He really gives you great insights into America in the 1850s to 1880s ish. What a land it was! In fact, I would recommend “A Boy’s Town” which is a thinly disguised autobiography of his days growing up in somewhere Ohio. Truly amazing how boys could live in those days. Never bored for a second, despite the lack of iPhones. Here’s a good line:

    “But they came back to that at last [the desire to get a gun], for that was the normal desire of every boy in the Boy’s Town who was not a girl-boy, and there were mighty few girl-boys there.”

    I suspect now the place is overrun with girl-boys.

  66. “Harold Bloom… And a closing of the American mind…”

    That was Alan Bloom. I found that book very impressive when it came out, but I was much more a Muh Conservatism! guy back then. I wonder how it would stand up today?

  67. Harold Bloom — a lit critic from the Bronx??

    The pre-Great Society Bronx. Back then Jews like him had fistfights with Irish or Italian kids, with all of them progressing up through the ranks of society afterwards. Now the Bronx is mostly an apocalyptic wasteland full of eternal zombies whose ancestors will live similarly 250 years from now.

    And excuse me for repeating myself like a naughty parrot.

    We forgave you for that long ago.

    I was unfamiliar from the term; upon reading the wiki explanation, i’m still not sure I get the precise meaning

    When you used the term “frameworks containing themselves” I assumed you were referencing that concept from philosophy/semantics. To be honest, I don’t fully understand Bertrand Russell much, either, but what you stated was reminiscent of some of the theory discussed by him and his contemporaries concerning proofs and logic. (even if you didn’t intend it that way)

  68. Never bored for a second, despite the lack of iPhones. Here’s a good line:

    Hell, I’m 43 and never spent a second of my childhood daylight time indoors myself. I can’t believe how little time kids spend outdoors now, they don’t even play in their fenced-in yards anymore and I think that youth are a lot more sickly nowadays as a result.

  69. Lol… That just goes to show you that I speak truth even with my genuine mistakes. I actually googled Harold Blood + closing of Ameri… Search. And of course did not bother to look beyond the immediate first entry which “falsely confirmed” Harold Bloom as author of that idea ^^^ in my mind.

    Nevertheless… Neither Allan nor Harold would attest to the Truth that the “teachers and preachers” of the MRKN mind have closed “it” with their anti-(objective) Supremacy and thus rendered millions upon millions of white boys unable, unwilling and just plain unaware of the endeavor to perfecting their mind-fullness as the sheer essence of a true education.

  70. Some WNs develop their systems with virtually no external influence.

    FP was like that. Thordaddy seems to have done it also. Manson too. The danger is sounding crazy.

  71. It’s not really indoors versus outdoors so much as it is just the plain density and intensity of one’s “selection pressures” discounting the givens and giving fellow humans dominate “selection pressure” status. The common sense idea is that “indoor” equals greater pressure versus “outdoor” equaling less pressure. But, this is really all dependent upon the human beings and their personal “selective pressures” within one’s physical AND psychological promixity. So this is the real point of contention for a small child and his gradual isolation to a mere room, yet starting out from his origin on the family outdoor farm through his indoor schooling amongst peers and now alone with his digital device granting global access to an infinite array of virtual “selection pressures.” So “we” envision AND NARRATE the anti-social being anti-social, but it is just as easy to envision and narrate the last of the true socially capable taking real life-saving refuge from the earthly outdoor mob of anti-socials.

  72. I have to say that today, I find Muzz women more attractive and marriable than white women, PA. That’s my lack of weak stomach.

    White women have lost modesty as a virtue. A woman should not display her body to men other than her husband. It marks her as an attention whore.

    I’ve seen very touching displays by Palestinian women who actually support their men in jihad against Israel. It’s very rare to find such support from a white woman. Most men won’t support a white jihadi.

    WNs who convert to Islam solve all those PUA and MRM problems in one fell swoop. I find it much less contradictory than combining WN and Christianity or Paganism.

  73. Ryu…

    In mathematics, who is better?

    1 or 2?

    They are not equal?

    If you are deracinated and this is evidenced to you by your desire for radical sexual autonomy via miscegenation THEN you must train yourself to re-racinate or declare imperial intent in the name of “white supremacy.”

    The way you have it is PURE ASSIMILATION INTO the pathologically DERACINATED (read: anti-racist) religion of Islam.

    And you still do not recognize that the Supremacist doctrine of Christianity is being infected and pathologized with this very same push to deracinate… Miscegnate… And assimilate.

    So you are an EXPONENTIAL FORCE AGAINST genuine wS.

    Get your head out of your arse.

    They HAVE TO COVER THEIR FEMALES from head to toe!!!

    Such is the consequence of desiring radical sexual autonomy…. Polygamy… Goat-fugging… Pedophile… Rape.

  74. Anti-racism means you can’t look at your father’s face and see truth…

    But peer upon Harold Bloom’s face and “see” wisdom.

    He craps rabbit turds, after all. I can see it in his face.

  75. That was Alan Bloom. I found that book very impressive when it came out, but I was much more a Muh Conservatism! guy back then. I wonder how it would stand up today?

    Yeah, but my understanding is that the late Alan Bloom could only really be considered a “conservative” when it comes to studying classical educational ideals.

    I’d caution against adopting him as an icon of White Nationalism, or be prepared for the same kind of disappointment that Cormac just provided. Bloom was a big fat liberal democrat just as you would expect. If he was alive today he’d be an Obamist to the core.

    In general, the only public figure, entertainer, pundit or politician I’d ever put money behind is Pat Buchanan.

  76. I find Muzz women more attractive and marriable than white women

    She won’t stay Muslim, meek and deferential for long if she becomes educated, takes off the burqa and no longer surrounds herself exclusively with other Muslims.

  77. that comment of yours sounded like it was coming from a ´testosterone troll.¨

    That’s why I can’t read CH. That site is chock full of commenters that complain about how they couldn’t get laid as the quinetessential nice guy in their 20’s and 30’s, then went out and read up on PUA and “now I’m 45 and banging 3 different hot 22 year-olds …. and they’re not strippers or whores… and everyone is soooo envious of me!!.”

    They’re as comical as the obviously fake product testimonials that companies put on their own Web page.

  78. In fact commenters, especially off-topic ones, who sound like cartoonish or c. 2007 era anachronistic PUA caricatures, are attacked as derailers.

  79. **I have to say that today, I find Muzz women more attractive and marriable than white women, PA. That’s my lack of weak stomach.**

    I can’t agree at all that is a “lack” of disgust – I would say quite the opposite. You’re so disgusted by the state of white women that an alternative seems more appealing. N’est-ce pas?

    For myself, in any event, I can say that I find the Muslimas enormously appealing. I worked with a lot of Syrian families last year and came to find the hijab (though not the niqab) quite charming and endearing. Not to mention that Middle Eastern women are gorgeous in general.

  80. CH’s commentary was at its peak when threads would combine political and sexual commentary. It pains me to say it, but the Chateau’s best years are behind.

  81. Who cares is *you* find Muslims chicks fine or not (read: sexually averse to white female)…

    You should never boast of your willing deracination and subsequent unwillingness to re-racinate AMONGST a group of actual race-realists.

    Have you ever written of your flattery fetish for faux-lesbians?

    Radical sexual autonomy is the scourge of the white race.

  82. And as far as Harold Bloom goes he was an avowed socialist and workers’ party type to his core.¨

    No! Why do you assume that? Because heś Jewish and attended and taught at Ivy League colleges? In fact, heś a cause-celebre for his anti-p.c. screeds and due to jealousy and political differences, heś been falsely vilified by more traditionally leftist critics.

    Read the last paragraph in his wiki profile, titled ¨Reception, Criticism and Controversey;”many here, in fact, would relate to his conservative aesthetics and sympathize with his p.c. persecutions by authors and fellow critics.

    Just because heś Jewish and was raised in the Bronx or whatever borough, heś not necessarily some sort of Bernie Sanders clone! (your stereotyping of the beltway is as bad as if i assumed every Atlantan drove a pickup truck with gun racks.)

  83. Just because heś Jewish and was raised in the Bronx or whatever borough, heś not necessarily some sort of Bernie Sanders clone! (your stereotyping of the beltway is as bad as if i assumed every Atlantan drove a pickup truck with gun racks.)

    Whoa, Whoa. I’m not making it up, Trickin’. At the same time that leftists were calling him “racist” for saying that Maya Angelou didn’t belong in the cannon with Shakespeare part of his main defense was “I’m socialist, anti-capitalist and a Trotskyite” and so forth. I saw it in an interview. I’m sure he’s added the “anti-racist” badge to his uniform by now.

    Also, I don’t know if you’re familiar with Hebrew Biblical scholarship but he also ruffled a lot of feathers by arguing that one of the sources of the most ancient material had to have been codified by a woman and he also ascribed all sorts of feminist leanings to that source.

  84. Nope, sorry to call you out but i ain´t conceding on this one; he was consistently known for ruffling the feathers of liberal peers; once, some fem-prof accused him of sexual assault based upon some inappropriate group that supposedly took place 20 years earlier……. along purely critical lines, his reviews and criticism was very traditional, western-canon embraces based upon classical virtue, beauty and literacy……. Bloom is not your lib-yid strawman.

  85. Huh? So, he is smart enough to love the traditional Western cannon. That doesn’t mean he isn’t just another stock lib in his actual politics. They’re not one and the same.

  86. WN needs a religion to build around. Christianity is too weak and is too hard to fix now.

    Islam is anti-semetic, pro-male, and pro-tribal. It’s also the only religion pushing back against the Americans. Iran is one of the few countries on Earth without extradition treaties with Murka.

    It is not without precedent. The Baader-Meinhof Faction worked with the PLO. They were nearly 100% white.

    Older WNs have told me about that Qaddafi sponsored WN groups in the 80s. I’ve heard about them going to Libya to train.

  87. “Bloom is not your lib-yid strawman.”

    Bloom (Harold) had the good sense to avoid falling into the grievance mode of literary criticism: black this, gender that. He also didn’t denigrate his literary standards for the sake of the latest PC tropes. In this he was, indeed, not your typical lib-yid.

    In fact, a bit of digging shows he’s rather not typical at all. Check this out, when asked about Obama in 2011:

    “Obama is a great disappointment to me. I was taken in by him when he began his campaign. He is obviously a person of some intellect, and he has genuine rhetorical skill. He looked at one point like a Marcus Aurelius. But now we have to call him a pseudo-Aurelius, because as president he’s been mostly a continuation of his predecessor, fighting Bush’s wars and accepting his changes. With the campaign coming, the old Obama who worked such charm in the last presidential elections will reappear, but this time we shouldn’t be fooled. I probably should have voted for Hillary.”

    OK, it’s not perfect. He was clearly bamboozled by Obama — a person of some intellect!! — but he had the balls to admit he was fooled. I also liked that when Slate asked the very stupid question of various Poindexters — “Has Art Helped You Make Sense of 9/11?” five years after the fact — Bloom’s full response was: “I’ve seen absolutely nothing adequate to the event. It may be another sign that our culture has grown numb.”

    A strong reply.

    OK, he’s certainly no White Nationalist by any stretch, but as far as academic pointy heads go, there are a LOT worse.

  88. “He looked at one point like a Marcus Aurelius.”

    A sucker’s a sucker. Will definitely never read him.

  89. WN needs a religion to build around. Christianity is too weak and is too hard to fix now. — Ryu

    This is an example of a radical autonomist propheteering to a mass market unwittingly willing to buy contradiction, false equation and complex “simplicity.”

    The contradiction being an ideology in need of religion.

    The false equation being Christianity = too weak now.

    And the “complex simplicity” in the UNREALISTIC notion that a Supremacist doctrine (Christianity JUST IS THE ONLY true claim to objective Supremacy) is in need of enlightened fixing.

  90. Perhaps contrarianism is just as much an inherited trait as Liberalism. As someone who considers himself Alt-right I think that the positions I have taken are the result of deep foundational beliefs – yet, if I am completely honest, I would have to admit that temperamentally I am more comfortable inhabiting a fringe position. I sometimes wonder what I will do if our side emerges triumphant. Will I be content with victory, or will I get bored?

  91. “That doesn’t mean he isn’t just another stock lib in his actual politics.”

    He’s been subjected his entire career to fellow critics and academicians who accuse him of being too into dead white men, insensitive to ‘people of color’ and indifferent to the horrors of ‘the patriarchy,’ particularly those affecting tenured female professors and their undergrad-co-ed arm candy.

  92. He is a better man than me.

    Ironically — he likes to say that same phrase to me.

    “You’re a better man than me.”

    Do you get the self-referential irony? … high iq club members only ,,,

  93. Sorry PA — i know that i am putting on your patience … but on the other hand isn’t vodka Polish in its origin?

    I know some Slavic words. Sweet Water. Vodka. The source of life. The source of the Volga.

  94. It has been an epic thread — i can’t hardly follow it.

    You all are the best men.

    The self-selected best gay men — in the hayloft — alight, so that is a joke that failed.

  95. Three wives spanning 45 years with 24 years of marriage and only two children, one at 29 and one at 65 and the HBDers cannot tie these social and biological facts to McCarthy’s very own work.

  96. “Gay men” used to mean something regenerate… Now it is an indication of one conducting psychological war on his fellow white men.

  97. He looked at one point like a Marcus Aurelius.

    LMAO. He’s just a white liberal in blackface.

    I do see one parallel, though – Marcus Aurelius was a stoic, which involves self-denial and sacrifice, kinda the same way that Obama surely had to endure suffering in noble fashion when he had to grudgingly give up white women and marry that wookie for the sake of his political career. (he knew that a black politician married to a white woman cannot advance)

    He’s been subjected his entire career to fellow critics and academicians who accuse him of being too into dead white men, insensitive to ‘people of color’ and indifferent to the horrors of ‘the patriarchy,’ particularly those affecting tenured female professors and their undergrad-co-ed arm candy.

    YAWN

    Didn’t you read the stuff on this post when PA created it? Didn’t you see the part about “why didn’t Larry Auster become an Ivy League professor”? Well, this ^^^ is why.

    Bloom laid with the Ivy League dogs and got fleas. Doesn’t make him worthy of praise. A grown a*s man is supposed to have some testudos and defend himself from bogus charges, so being a crotchety old man getting into spats with feminist professors is no feather in his cap. He should’ve just moved to a slightly lower-tier school that is less overtly political about its academics, and where his obviously superior appreciation of Western arts and literature would be rightly appreciated.

  98. Thomas Jefferson would have made a superb literary critic. But there were bigger fish to fry at that time.

  99. — BTW: here is a podcast with Pleasureman in which liberal disgust reactions of the sort i mentioned are discussed from about [1:15:00 to 1:25:00]

    https://radio.therightstuff.biz/2016/01/26/the-daily-shoah-episode-69-cucksters-last-stand/

    (Handle)

    I listened to that, it was fascinating. The visceral hate or “disgust” an SWPL female expressed for some Southern hunters that the host described … I am familiar with such scenes. I don’t think it is the gut-disgust I have had in mind I this and the previous post. It seems like a product of brainwashing, which entailed a projection and concentration of a liberal bitch’s stoked aggression toward other things, focusing it like a magnifying glass on Christians or rednecks. As the hosts put it, it seems downright unnatural — and it is disturbingly sadistic — like brainwashing that rechanneled other emotions into that raw hate. Female status consciousness and in-group conformity-imperative is mixed in.

    It is a female phenomenon (and gamma male in milder forms). Something like hysteria.

  100. @PA “Testosterone Troll” hilarious.

    Check this out, especially at 2:00 “Triggered”… there’s an entire series of these compilations..,

    These types desperately WANT confrontation because it makes them seem significant. Engaging with them only encourages them. Walking away or ignoring works better.

  101. — Perhaps contrarianism is just as much an inherited trait as Liberalism. As someone who considers himself Alt-right I think that the positions I have taken are the result of deep foundational beliefs – yet, if I am completely honest, I would have to admit that temperamentally I am more comfortable inhabiting a fringe position. I sometimes wonder what I will do if our side emerges triumphant. Will I be content with victory, or will I get bored? (J.Killmaster)

    That’s a good question. I can relate. From a personal angle, I’ve kept my contrarianism down to the level of harmless humor that never challenged the legitimacy of an order when I happened to believe in that order.

    — Ellen Degeneres catching flak for her “racism” (Camlost)

    LOL. The picture is surreal. It’s circled the moon’s dark side over the Sea of Self Annihilation to reappear on Houston’s radar in a clown suit.

    — Check this out, especially at 2:00 “Triggered”… (Walawala)

    The blockade footage is pure Type 1 Protest from “Welcome to Hell, Stray Lambs”. The “Triggered” monologue is related to that weird female hysteria that ties into my comment a few minutes ago. These insane SJW testimonials are right out of “I saw Goody Proctor with the Devil!”

  102. Hey PA, not sure if you noticed, but the video you linked “HERE” in that previous post about anti-invader chants in Poland has been removed for violating YouTube’s anti hate speech policies.

  103. EPG…

    The first clue is “white (s)upremacy.” This clue EQUALS liberated conception. Ergo, in the liberated conception of (s)supremacy the inversion is “degeneracy.” So the formula states “white (s)upremacy” = white degeneracy. Jefferson was the “founding theorist” of “white degeneracy” OR THE THOUGHT OF PHYSICALLY SEPARATING from “blacks.” You understand this? White degenerates want to separate from “blacks” and this makes them white (s)upremacists.

    Yet, none of what Jefferson proposed was in the spirit of white (S)upremacy and these racial hucksters know it.

    The first separation is all psychological.

    And these nigels and niggers ain’t up for that task.

  104. Jefferson would destroy photoshop whole, and send Ellen to a Jamaican prison to “train for the 100m” with a set of men a bit less amenable to the Globalist Olympics.

  105. I did not know that Jefferson favored repatriation. He always saw it best that the USA remain an agrarian nation and not pursue industrialization and urbanization to the same degree as the UK.

  106. Jefferson would destroy photoshop whole, and send Ellen to a Jamaican prison to “train for the 100m” with a set of men a bit less amenable to the Globalist Olympics.

    Oh, there’s my queue to mention my favorite HBD anecdote – Ellen would just end up like Amanda Kijera, the white SJW who went to Haiti to teach feminist anti-colonial drivel and show that violence against women is “overstated” on the island… and promptly got raped while spouting off about white privilege during the actual act. LMAO.

    I never get tired of mentioning this story!! If I ever start my own blog I will name it after her:

    http://www.europeanknightsproject.com/liberal-feminist-amanda-kijeras-haitian-adventure-rape-haiti-white-privilege/

  107. EPG…

    Let me clarify so as to not give the impression that I write contrary to Jefferson’s sensibility.

    What Jefferson proposed was NEVER CONCEIVED OF as “white supremacy.” It was instead a practical solution to a real problem.

    Similarly, Pierce, Rockwell, Covington, Duke, Linder, Breivik, Roof, Manson, Hitler, etc… Not one EVER SELF-INDENTIFIED as “white supremacist.”

    Put these two truths together and ask yourself how YOU got to “white supremacy?”

    Can I just state unequivocally that EPG is a “white supremacist” when he has never claimed to be a “white supremacist” nor spoken the phrase “white supremacy” or ever tied any of his beliefs to “white supremacy?”

    So there is the liberal conception of “white (s)upremacy” whose very existence is contingent upon “black lives matter.”

    And there is an absolute conception of white (S)upremacy where “black lives won’t matter.”

    Pick your war?

  108. What Jefferson proposed was NEVER CONCEIVED OF as “white supremacy.” It was instead a practical solution to a real problem.

    Similarly, Pierce, Rockwell, Covington, Duke, Linder, Breivik, Roof, Manson, Hitler, etc… Not one EVER SELF-INDENTIFIED as “white supremacist.”

    The term “white” is extremely new and only come into heavy circulation after LBJ’s social engineering, I think.

  109. Yeah, it actually weakens The Saxon Stride, like artificial light. We need precision, not battery-operated slang.

  110. EPG…

    There is no argument negating the reality of a German Supremacist or a red Suoremacist (h/t: Vox Day) or even a black Supremacist.

    BUT…

    The ENEMY OF THE ZEITGEIST just is the “white supremacist.”

    The enemy of the five fingers of liberalism (h/t: Firepower) and its slimy “white” palm just is the genuine white Supremacist.

  111. That word “white” in “white supremacy” WAS PURPOSELY USED to hide a particular assassination within a general assault. In other words, by attacking ALL WHITES as “racist,” the real “supremacists” amongst them can be persecuted, jailed and sometimes killed without much white racial backlash.

  112. Camlost…

    Your added information only bolsters my conclusion that nearly all possess a LIBERAL conception of “white supremacy.”

  113. Good link EPG.

    I am that good on the piano.

    More or less. The instrument of Kings. It is a gift, to have that talent.

    My ear is not that good, but that is why those German geniuses keep it in tune.

    PA don’t let me doxx myself, but i know a 100 songs, all the lyrics and chords, by heart.

  114. cam,
    Your 9:31 p.m. Aug 17 comment is just one long and slippery evasion. ‘

    C’mon, man; you lost that point —— and it wasn’t a big one; Bloom’s been a lifelong pariah among the academic left; they way you initially described him wasn’t just a bit too extreme but wrong in the ‘you got it inverted’-kinda way. peterike’s point about him was right, too.

    No biggie —– SO GIVE IT UP.

  115. Is it really disgust? Perhaps, but that’s not been my experience. I would ask the host this — can you ignore an argument you cannot refute? I can’t and, so far as I can tell, that seems to be not an uncommon attribute of those who don’t go along with the Narrative.

  116. I listened to that, it was fascinating. The visceral hate or “disgust” an SWPL female expressed for some Southern hunters that the host described … I am familiar with such scenes.

    SWPL’s are absolutely obsessed with shaming the “wrong kind of white people.” They’d never say an ill or even remotely critical word about blacks, Muslims or other 3rd-world denizens, though.

    It’s getting exponentially worse with each passing month as we get closer to this election, and as Obama gets closer to his last days in office and his administration drops any pretense about their commitment to identity politics.

    But nothing is funny than Eric Holder’s investigation referring to the Nidal Hassan shootings as “workplace violence” and then Loretta Lynch attempting to scrub the 911 calls in the Orlando shooting so that all references to Islam and ISIS were removed. The DOJ eventually had to cave to public pressure and release the full, redacted 911 calls, though.

  117. RE: the feud over Cormac McCarthy’s artistic merit and the discussion by thor, elk and EPG,with elk eventually saying: “Cormac was on Oprah.

    Kill me now and quickly.

    What could she possibly have asked him? what could he possibly have answered?

    Very much FAIL, Cormac.

    The themes that he introduced, were WHITE.

    Last man standing, and violence rules.

    And but to see him sitting there, with that bitch.”

    LMAO! I’m inclined to say that you guys are in moments charming in your naivete. But then I realize these such online venues are sort-of escapes from the day-to-day realpolitik, so one can make points freely and devoid of practical reality getting in the way.

    To wit: you can’t get cred as a national author unless you promote at venues like “Oprah;’ just ask Jonathan Franzen how he’ll go about promoting his future works after he publicly went on higher-than-thou vanity walk in te national press —– (never mind that the ironic fact that he publicly refused Queen Oprah brought upon the book-promotion level he so high-mindedly shunned makes for a ironic footnote —- which he may have been clever enough to have anticipated, etc.).

    IOW: I know you guys know all this in sober and appropriate moments; but you don’t get to play the game at that level without showing up on ‘Oprah’ and “Ellen” and all the other venues…. I recall talking to a guy i know fairly well; a former pop scribe who went on to write the biggest PUA book to date; he told me how, upon doing a guest-segment on “The View,” in which he got a full ten-minute bit to promote his book, he went to the ratings-and-stat page at Amazon and watched his book just shoot through the roof in terms of sales upon the day of broadcast. He sold tens of thousands of books based on that appearance, never mind all the secondary and multi-level happenstance promo such meta-hype can also trigger!

    This higher-than-thou guilt-by-association game would make publicists and other realpolitik entertainment forces do one of three things: laugh, spit or cry. lol!!

  118. Nikcrit isn’t your point more relevant to pre-internet publishing? Some of the most successful print authors today — like Vox Day and Mike Cernovich — make a killing specifically because they are bypassing the gate keepers.

  119. — Is it really disgust? Perhaps, but that’s not been my experience. I would ask the host this — can you ignore an argument you cannot refute? I can’t and, so far as I can tell, that seems to be not an uncommon attribute of those who don’t go along with the Narrative (Thales)

    Not sure I follow the question.

  120. — not sure if you noticed, but the video you linked “HERE” in that previous post [“Welcome to Hell, Stray Lambs”] about anti-invader chants in Poland has been removed for violating YouTube’s anti hate speech policies. (Walawala)

    Yeah, I saw that a while back. Unfortunately YouTube has taken down a number of videos I linked to in my posts. Nature of the business, I guess. Not all of them had been political, either. The video you refer to was excellent, showing footage from several football (soccer) stadiums and fans’ thunderous anti-invader chants. There are lots of such videos around, but few that include English subtitles like that one did.

    In cases where a video was central to the original post, I took the time to type out all or key parts of the video, anticipating that it may indeed be taken down at some point. Examples: a Hungarian economist’s frank speech about the EU, and a German girl’s complaint about the migrant invasion.

  121. EPG: “…realpolitik entertainment forces…”

    Nikcrit, it’s very clear what altar you kneel to!”

    Well, I don’t see how I ‘kneel’ —– but wasn’t it clear upon establishing my bona-fides where my POV was coming from, Mr. Integrity?

    I mean, a big city daily newspape and the top national pop-rock magazines are hardly intellectuals organs of innovation unsullen by commerce, no?

    And I’m not discounting any of the political observations advanced; I’m just slightly amused when I imagine some of the thoughts and declarations uttered here would go over in that environment —- or at least ‘that’ of what I experienced, which is going back ten years now.

    PA: IDK much re. Vox Day. But it’s my observation that the big 90s publishers and forces, with their advantage in resources, have merely marshalled x-percent of said force into 21st-century modes of production; i.e., while that makes room in the margins for relatively smaller online book, music, etc. producers and publishers, it still means the putnams and other major groups and subsidiaries will dominate the game, re. of the contents’ format (i.e., take for example music downloads; all the major player’s corporate pedigrees trace back to traditional 90s giants, a la Apple, etc).

    But I suppose EPG is correct; if i could get a book deal and actually got it done and into production —- and then received a promotional appearance offer from Oprah? I’d take it. But I still don’t see how that would comprise a “kneel to.”

  122. LMAO! I’m inclined to say that you guys are in moments charming in your naiveté.

    Forgive us then oh wise man.

    Trickin, if you want to jam sometime … i might be up for it …

  123. “Some of the most successful print authors today — like Vox Day and Mike Cernovich — make a killing specifically because they are bypassing the gate keepers.”

    Really? IDK. i’m not dispelling that out of hand. But i have a hard time believing ‘the most successful print authors today’ part of your observation —- though, again, i don’t have specific numbers to counter with. I mean you’re talking about massively different levels of fundamental means and resources.

    Look, the topics and modes of production change —– and with technological change there CAN sometimes be real revolution —— but my inside-but-dated pereception is that, to a large extent, the song remains the same: the big boys have heirs and pass down their advantages, yet there’s always room for an upstart to finagle his way into the game. Still, by and large, the status quo persists.

  124. — and then received a promotional appearance offer from Oprah? I’d take it. (Nikcrit)

    There is nothing wrong with accepting promotion from establishment figures if you do it without compromising yourself. What’s wrong is to compromise yourself for their approval. But it’s best if you do not rely on their platforms, having built your own.

    — And i could teach you diminished chords? (Suburban_elk)

    Can you play the entirety of Pink Floyd’s “Wish You Were Here” on the guitar, including its famous dueling-guitar opening notes? How ’bout the first solo in Comfortably Numb? I’m no musician, but I do take pride in having taught myself the guitar at age 38 and I can play those two songs and a few others fairly well. Just braggin’.

  125. elk: “Trickin, if you want to jam sometime … i might be up for it …”

    I recall you earlier mentioning that you ‘played to.’ But i didn’t know it was specifically piano (I’m a guitarist)… Anyhow, i said in earlier back-n-forth with u that i’ve been into 12-tone jazz and heavy pop interpretations, pursuits that bring with it lots of YT surfing of covers, etc.

    Which, among pianists tackling stuff, i thought this was interesting: a cover of ‘ten years gone’ by zeppelin ON PIANO… i’ve always been intrigued by that zep song; it was the hardest to learn as a kid and to this day, it’s my favorite of theirs… but this is the first time i’ve evere heard it being tackled by a pianist:

  126. PA, i sent you that song, Number 12 Train, arranged by (((Jerry Silverman))) … and so outed myself. Do you remember?

    Who has the got BALLS to play that song?

    … I do.

    But i still need the chart, i still need the book.

  127. — PA, i sent you that song, Number 12 Train, arranged by (((Jerry Silverman))) … and so outed myself. Do you remember? (Elk)

    Yes, you tried to post a video of yourself playing, which I zapped because it was a full-on self-doxx. The audio quality was so-so but your playing and singing sounded excellent to me. I’ll add this if you don’t mind: from the camera’s angle you look much younger and fitter than I expected.

  128. p.s.@elk,

    Actually, the very song discussed and posted, Ten Years Gone, features diminished chords in in it —- at least when you play the standard-tuning tablature of the song …. Most vids and tabs perform or transcribe the song with a Drop-D tuning instilled. interestingly, when you watch various youtube vids of zep playing it, they’ve done it both ways; ditto for the yt covers of the song.

  129. Your White Supremacism concept needs more “pop”, TD.

    Make it REAL, less abstract.

    Words are always less than meeting someone who can actually fulfill those promises. I think I understand WS better than you do, because I spend more time on it each day. I value my training more. In the 1980s, it has to go to Tom Platz or Rich Gaspari. One has to inspire other whites.

  130. Speaking of the establishment, the other day via Sailer I got the idea of posting real talk over at The Atlantic. Got into a bunch of tussles, brained a few folks good, called out some cucks, spoke bland racial truths. Got banned in a day and a half, all my posts deleted. Diversity is our strength!

    Today Drudge reports that Twitter shut down 235,000 more accounts that “promoted terrorism.” I wonder how many pro-Trump or alt-right accounts were snuck into that number.

  131. nikcrit: “along purely critical lines, his reviews and criticism was very traditional, western-canon embraces based upon classical virtue, beauty and literacy……. Bloom is not your lib-yid strawman.”

    –I understand what you’re trying to say, but you’re mistaken. Relative to Derrida/Foucault/Lacan imbibing Marxist Studies types, sure. Yes, Harold Bloom affirms individual genius, Western greatness, and even at times a certain sort of love of beauty. That much is, at least superficially, true.

    But when you get into the thickets, you will notice how extraordinarily H. Bloom works to Judaize everything. He tries to make over Shakespeare into a gnostic. He uses Talmud in his readings of practically every Western worthy. He is quick to take offense at purported whiffs of “anti-Semitism.”

    His treatment of “Hamlet” is shockingly revealing, for he openly discards everything to do with God, justice, and morality, repeatedly and frantically asserting that somehow Prince Hamlet cannot REALLY be concerned with avenging his father, or redeeming his mother, or obeying God, because Hamlet is too schmart for that and so the true theme of the play must only be navel-gazing skepticism and Hamlet’s preoccupation with his own verbal genius. In “Hamlet: Poem Unlimited” this nonsense reaches a crescendo when Bloom openly dismisses the Bedroom Scene, accusing Hamlet of fulminating like a Pentecostal preacher at Gertrude, because to Jewish Bloom it is simply incomprehensible that a grown man of staggering intelligence and sensitivity could actually concern himself with the prospect of his mother being a whore.

    I should also note that in the Emersonian essay-length chapter on Hamlet in Shakespeare: Invention of the Human, Bloom avers that the prince died a (ahem) ‘virgin’, while two years later in Hamlet: Poem Unlimited Bloom asserts, equally without justification and entirely without noting his own self-contradiction, that Hamlet was a man-slut. How typically Jewish . . . .

  132. nikcrit: “IOW: I know you guys know all this in sober and appropriate moments; but you don’t get to play the game at that level without showing up on ‘Oprah’ and “Ellen” and all the other venues…. ”

    Jeez louise, nikcrit. Was he not already “famous” before Oprah? Hadn’t he already in fact been adapted for film?

    I actually saw part of that interview when it came out and I was watching out of morbid curiosity. My impression (but this is however many years old) was that Oprah was relatively respectful and Cormac relatively stoic. Sure, it would be “childish” to revere his books and then disown him because he did the interview. But it’s also a Kay-Michael “who’s being naïve now” moment for you, to assert that High Literature (if that’s what “Blood Meridian”, H. Bloom’s favorite postwar novel, is) depends upon “playing the game”– at least if “the game” involves as much as going on Oprah. Allan Bloom, come to mention it, appeared on Oprah when I was a teen, and I’m afraid he came off quite poorly. Playing the recluse, if it comes to that, can do quite as well for sales as becoming a media-whore. Franzen (not a very good writer) embarrassed himself by supplicating after his high-minded dismissal– THAT was his mistake.

  133. There is an entire school of early/mid 20 century Jewish critics and writers who went part-way with us on the big questions but couldn’t accept or understand the European spirit. Harold Bloom, Alfred Kazin, Cynthia Ozick, isaiah Berlin. Lawrence Auster broke through where they didnt and it must have been through his sincere conversion to Christianity.

    Lucius: great points on Blooms misreading of Shakespeare.

  134. Berlin’s writing was particularly vicious on European Romanticism, on down to attacking our concept of honor. He’s best known for his anti-communist polemics, including the famous “crooked timber of humanity” argument, which he borrowed from Kant, iirc.

  135. Ryu…

    I’ll never reject a fellow (w)S willing to inspire me to fly even higher.

    But because this ALL STARTS psychologically then your VARIED use of terminology FROM “white supremacist” to WS does not at all suggest a coherent conception of wS.

    Certain Origin + Mutual Destination = Solid Identity…

    “white” is the SELF-evident social construction/genetic generalization MADE NECESSARY by a general assault on the “white race” FOR THE PURPOSE of PSYCHOLOGICALLY assassinating its genuine wS.

    So to truly understand wS is to put yourself in the position of this virtually silent psychological assassination.

    The effect being our high-cultured, high IQ “white” males UNABLE and UNWILLING to tie their past and the love of this high-cultured past TO THE PAST’S DESIRE for objective Supremacy…. The past’s desire for (white) Supremacy.

    Psychologically assassinated.

  136. OntoLOGICALLY-speaking, the healthy-minded man DESIRES (P)erfection.

    In reality, very few men actually desire (P)erfection.

    They’ve been targeted as Russian Orthodox, European Catholic and American German Protestant by the anti-white Supremacists.

    A General Assault to cloud a Targeted Assassination. GATA.

  137. “Jeez louise, nikcrit. Was he not already “famous” before Oprah? Hadn’t he already in fact been adapted for film?”

    Yes, Lucius, it wasn’t mandatory for survival.
    But: if you come from my experience and the perspective it garners, which one might call the ‘critical commercial’ perspective, when imagining such a move and posture from that world, what Franzen did, or how anyone shunning such publicity appears, the effect is outright galling.

    I mean, I can imagine his ‘team’ back at the publishing house: publicist, media coordinatory, content editor, grammarian editor, etc., all the way down the line. Those folks’ jobs are evaluated in large part on how well their author does; i.e., so picture a mid-town conference room filled with said cast with Cormac at one of the prominent seats… And then and there, with earnest high-minded reserve, he casually mentions that he refused some pesky promo requests from Oprah’s Book Club and from a ten-minute feature-interview on ‘The View’; hey, he appreciates all the sweat being produced by his promotional and editing team, but he just doesn’t feel comfortable indulging such crass and sesnationalized coverage, however much it’ll beef up the bottom line, y’know?

    Show me such an individual, such a high-minded artiste, in this day and age —– and I”ll show you someone who’s soon to be unemployed.

    Because by 21st-century standards such a person is acting ‘unemployable’; in the age of digital media and networking; success is a team process, a slow accruing of many-upon-many market ‘streams’ and ‘revenue sources’ —- the day of the big-score mega-sensations is all but over. Seen any bands whose success is reminiscent of the Beatles and Beatlemania lately? No, in the land of niche marketing and colloborated efforts, success is a team sport, not an individual endeavor; this, despite the ironic 21st-century term, ‘independent artist.’

    As the ‘indy’ film director James Schamus once said: “If you want to be TRULY ‘independent’ in this day and age, I suggest you go get your pencil and write a poem…

    As for Bloom and his ‘Gnostifying’ tendencies, I’ll humbly defer to you on that. My main point, to which you seem to begrudgingly agree, is that Bloom is NOT the Marxist 60s-like Jewish lib stereotype that Camlost blatantly implied he was. Not even close.

    As for your interpretations of Bloom’s take on Hamlet, again I’ll defer; I humbly admitted a while back here that me being among that second or third generation of NAM college-goers, I understandably but somewhat regrettfully focused on modern-lit and journalism over more classic lit, here at home and stateside. Guilty as charged. Hence, my humility when you gently condescend some of my pre-modernist interpretative ‘over-reaches.’

    I’m telling you, though; compared to some of my fellow-NAM classmates in college, I’m a goddamn Renaissance Man; I mentioned last spring a guy I know who’s taught at a communiy college for over 20 years who did his doctoral dissertation on the movie “Superfly.” lol..

  138. “Playing the recluse, if it comes to that, can do quite as well for sales as becoming a media-whore.”

    I truly don’t know if the ‘recluse strategy’ would work today; it may have as recently as ten years ago. But today? I’m not so sure.

    Do you think someone coming up now and deploying the “Pynchon strategy?” (incidentally, Pynchon is another high-fave on Bloom’s list in “How to Read and Why.”

  139. edit: “Do you think someone coming up now and deploying the “Pynchon strategy” could succeed nowadays? (Incidentally, Pynchon is another high-fave on Bloom’s list in “How to Read and Why.”)”

  140. “…while two years later in Hamlet: Poem Unlimited Bloom asserts, equally without justification and entirely without noting his own self-contradiction, that Hamlet was a man-slut.”

    I’ll say that I looked him up (an interview, also morbid curiosity), and observed him boast on and on about how much he ‘could retain’ when reading. How often he read. How reading loved him. How his wife had to cut his reading sessions short. How he drowned himself in verse as a boy. All this in a grey, deeply dejected monotone. Is this a critic? I’ve never seen a conscious one to date. I’ve seen some formidable art historians, but never a literary critic.

  141. “Playing the recluse, if it comes to that, can do quite as well for sales as becoming a media-whore.”

    Speaking of media-whores, the saddest, most effeminate, metrosexual, skinny pants wearing attention whore in the USA (Ryan Lochte) is getting in to deep doo-doo over the story he made up down in Brazil.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/18/sport/us-swimmers-olympics-robbery-questions/

    He’s killed his budding reality TV career before it could even begin. What a fruitcake. I can’t believe that male American athletes behave like him.

  142. ” Is this a critic? I’ve never seen a conscious one to date. I’ve seen some formidable art historians, but never a literary critic.”

    Maybe part of the problem is we tend to put too much responsibility in the hands of critics? Or we ‘over-rely’ on them. Back in the day, i tended to read several daily (newspaper) critics and get a consensus view; furthermore, do that for a while and you tend to get a grasp no particular critics biases and interests, etc.; i.e., Kakutani at the nytimes would always push hard on The Narrative particulars while, say, Jonathan Yardley at the washpost.com was a bit more accomodating to pre-p.c. sensibilities; ditto for pop critics…….

    Here’s an outrage that might get steam coming out of Lucius’ ears: newspaper staffs are often understaffed during certain, busy times of year; consequently, critics would have to wear more than one hat. For instance, at my top-30 daily, I, while mainly a music critic, was also the back up movie critic, reviewing about 30-plus movies per year. I also did about ten-to-fifteen book reviews each year.

  143. “…did his doctoral dissertation on the movie “Superfly.”’

    “…getting in to deep doo-doo over the story he made up down in Brazil. He’s killed his budding reality TV career before it could even begin.”

    Is this an empire? An echo of one? Where are we?

  144. Maybe part of the problem is we tend to put too much responsibility in the hands of critics? Or we ‘over-rely’ on them.

    Indeed, and criticism is the most Jewish of arts. Look at art (painting, sculpture) and literature (novels, poems) in the 20th century. How many great Jewish creators have their been? Very few, and quite a number of those tagged “great” are vastly over-rated (Philip Roth, Herman Miller, Harold Pinter) largely for Tribal (and political) reasons. Painters? Who, Chagall? Nowhere near one of the greats. And Jewish architects have been positively poisonous. Daniel Libeskind, Frank Gehry (nee Goldberg). These men create monstrosities that are deliberately dispiriting and hostile to the host culture. Same as the dreadful half-Jewish sculpture Richard Serra.

    Ahhh, but in criticism Jews have shined! In the sense that they’ve taken effective control of those fields, and THEIR views are largely the received views. Thomas Wolfe pegged the art critics in “The Painted Word” — Clement Greenberg, Harold Rosenberg and Leo Steinberg. The Cultureburg! These three hostile Jews defined “modern” art in our world and “validated” the ugliness of it. The same is true of literature and schools of literature. Deconstruction, that vile acid thrown on literature? Why it’s from Jacques Derrida, the French Jew!

    Jews don’t have the souls to be great creators for the most part. But they are born to be critics.

    Oh sure, I’m sure there are exceptions, there always are. But by and large Jews have not done much of note in the arts if you take away their Jewish cheerleading that turns something as ghastly as a Richard Serra sculpture into “great art.”

    PS – While Jewish song writers shone in tin-pan alley (much of that a result of ethnic networking keeping out other writers), Jews are surprisingly poorly represented in rock and roll, with the great exception of Dylan (who is sui generis anyway). Lou Reed? Ok, he was good. Paul Simon? Billy Joel? The Ramones? That kind of runs out the list. The Billboard Top 30 Jewish Musicians is really a pretty embarrassing list of B, C and D listers.

  145. “…success is a team sport, not an individual endeavor; this, despite the ironic 21st-century term, ‘independent artist.’”

    Nikcrit, you’re a journo I know, but some working artists differ in a big way. The ‘death of the author’ is simply another philosophical position, articulated largely by lightweight R. Barthes. Really shows your lack of journalistic integrity to abide so unquestioningly to such unoriginal myths.

  146. I guess encouraging a journo would be kid territory. Beta in PUA terms. I wonder if he is hanging it up, and what PUAs do in retirement.

  147. On the Aurelius reference: prompted me to pull out my old copy of ‘Meditations.’ I don’t think Aurelius would much appreciate Shakespeare. The Stoic never “trifled with the elements.” The real thing. Recommended. if not on your shelves already.

  148. For every Vick, Sprewell, Tyson, Rodman, Bond, Lewis, etc., “we” need a blond-haired, blue-eyed “white” Olympian turned greened-haired, criminally-inept pseudo-Lochte-ness monster TO MAKE “IT” ALL EQUAL!!!

  149. EPG: “Nikcrit, you’re a journo I know, but some working artists differ in a big way. The ‘death of the author’ is simply another philosophical position, articulated largely by lightweight R. Barthes. Really shows your lack of journalistic integrity to abide so unquestioningly to such unoriginal myths.”

    I don’t even have the mental resource to know exactly what you’re accusing me of… but, no, I’m not suggesting anything as severe as ‘the death of the artist…. However, I do think we’re in a interesting bind (which is how i’d put it), in that the 21st-century digital has subverted some forms of art creation, production and evaluation that we didn’t quite anticipate. I’ve gone on about this before but to cut it short that ‘didn’t anticipate’ basically comes in the form of glut via surplus content. Also, the fact that anyone nowadays who CAN produce art DOES produce it, and put it before the masses via Youtube and other digital platforms; that, in fact, sort-of DOES create a ‘death-of-the-artist’ scenario, at least in the classic romantic notion of the Lord Byron concept, in which the sensitive soothsayer who, through sheer transcendence alone, breaks from the streets and shines his magic down upon the masses. IOW: gone is the enticing myth that only a gifted few can produce art worthy of public attention and when someone does you’ll know about it; that aforementioned ‘glut’ comes in both form and redundance.

  150. “…art … via Youtube and other digital platforms; that, in fact, sort-of DOES create a ‘death-of-the-artist’ scenario…”

    Good night, and good luck.

  151. No Nikcrit…

    The schism between art and anti-art is as self-evident as the schism between “racist” and anti-racist NO MATTER HOW YOU CONCEIVE THINGS, eg., conceived liberally or conceived absolutely.

  152. Harold Bloom wrote a (surprisingly awful) Renaissance dramatic pastiche (I believe he characterized it as Marlovian rather than Shakespearean) for “Vanity Fair” magazine back during the W. years, employing Bush, Cheney, Condie, et. al (did Feith or Wolfie make the dramatis personae though? I don’t recall) to skewer them as a den of villains. For somebody so vastly well-read, he has a surprisingly slumberous style.

    He’s a self-described “nihilist”, as is Woody Allen and as were (if “Ravelstein” is to be taken at face value) Saul Bellow and Allan Bloom. It’s shocking that so many bright Jews can embrace such a foul identity– more shocking still, perhaps, how a nihilistic universe demands of them they vote a straight Democratic ticket.

    I don’t quite believe Allan Bloom was a complete Jew warmonger Zionist supremacist, but he’s very problematic. Something Thordaddy said above about reading Ayn Rand’s The Virtue of Selfishness brings to mind a mental connection I finally made between Rand and A. Bloom, based upon passages which had bugged me since my teen years, but I’ll try and get back to that . . . .

  153. Lucius Somesuch…

    An “art” of selfishness JUST IS psychological warfare aimed at those truly desirous of PERFECT meaning in (A)rt.

  154. : “Take the cross from the Locthte-ness monster. He doesn’t deserve it.”

    Yes, what exactly do you mean with this statement about Ryan Lochte?

  155. Trickin — I ain’t low-class; you are.

    Smiles and respect and the Blues.

    Number 12 took my baby
    I could not keep from cryin

    Number 12 took my baby
    I could not keep from cryin

    Sometimes i’m not myself
    Sometimes i feel i’m dyin

  156. It is an honor to hang here.

    Do you want some tomatoes, old boys?

    I don’t got no giants, this year. Giant tom’s officially start at 32 oz.

    I got two or three 25-ouncers, my own subspecies that i bred, and resistant to Verticillium Wilt; a real world accomplishment, kids!

  157. “In spite of your mixed race, you might be better adjusted.”

    Hey, you work with the cards you’re dealt…….. I’m curious about your cover song; can you post it sans the personal I.d.stuff?

  158. Truth is, I didn’t even take SAT’s OR GRE’s; my mediocre B+ GPA was enough for me to get heavily courted by my undergrad and grad school; I knew and had plans for my post-h.s. career solidified by early my junior years of h.s…… Yeah, the follies of AA academia politics back in the grand ol’ 90s…. and to rub it in, i got a sweet grad-school stipend plus tuition to boot……. Do I feel guilty? Nope. You take what you can grab in the U.S. of A. I just try to ‘give back’ and then pat myself on the back; it’s the American way, I guess……but if it’s any alt-right conciliation, i’m pretty sure my sci and math scores on those tests would’ve been considerably lower than the others; so revel now in your ancestral advantage and rejoice in your, umm, mass supremacism! I know others like me, similar pedigree; we do our best to get along; hard for me to think we’re enemies……
    What would you do if you found yourself living in generational absurdity, I humbly ask?

  159. For every Vick, Sprewell, Tyson, Rodman, Bond, Lewis, etc., “we” need a blond-haired, blue-eyed “white” Olympian turned greened-haired, criminally-inept pseudo-Locthte-ness monster TO MAKE “IT” ALL EQUAL!!!

    He’s about to be crucified. I often make odd mistakes on this iPhone that nevertheless speak to something else. So I ask you to edit that “t” out because Lochte-ness monster is not worthy of the cross.

  160. South African Van Niekerk clocked 43.03 in the 400. They’ll only get faster, while The Games themselves have lost their glory. In Olympics long past, it wasn’t rare for athletes to dominate across the spectrum (distance, sprints, discus, gymnastics, etc.). The age of hyper-specialization keeps sport in its tightening aluminum grip.

  161. — Stock tumbles as Q2 earnings drop 10%, with Target’s leadership claiming that the bathroom issue and conservative boycotts are not having any bearing on those numbers. (Camlost)

    Handle pointed out that the short-term hit to profits is an “investment” of sorts, in securing government approvals and other advantages that come with prog-conformity cred. It was a good point — especially as medium-term strategy where most corporations think myopically in quarterly mentality. Still though, it strikes me as risky strategy longer-term: will middle class White female (their core market) boycott sink them? Will prog regime be around forever and if not, will the stink of their over-eagerness to supplicate to passing hysteria taint them in the long run? Similar with Starbucks.

  162. Well, both Starbucks and Target are inherently doomed if the “browning” demographic changes to America continue. They’re two large companies that have a clientele that is far whiter than average America, for cost reasons.

  163. German interior minister supporting ban on some types of burqas:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/19/europe/germany-veil-ban/index.html

    The officials intend to have the face veils banned in public places where identification is required — such as registry offices, schools, kindergartens and government offices — saying that they did not fit in with Germany’s society.
    “Full-face veils, as mentioned, we reject this. Not just the burka, any full-face veils that only shows eyes of a person,” said Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere at a press conference held by members of the Christian Democratic Union and their allied Christian Social Union, which govern in a coalition.
    “It does not fit into our society for us, for our communication, for our cohesion in the society…. This is why we demand you show your face.”
    The proposed partial ban is to promote security and national cohesion, de Maiziere said, denying that plans for the ban were to appease the increasingly popular right-wing AFD party.
    “We do what we deem is right, and the AFD can behave in their own way,” he said.

  164. — We are all doomed

    I have ZERO tolerance for this kind of demoralizing bullshit. If you want to indulge in despair, you’re free to off yourself. But don’t do it here.

  165. Also, on the topic of the Olympics. The Sprints are the glamour event, for a reason. People aren’t fish, people live on land.

    There was a shot of a shirtless Usain — and yeah he is beautiful.

    Does he dope? what do you all think.

    But on that topic — 100 meters is an arbitrary distance. White people and japs are tops at the 40 and 60.

    100 meters is an arbitrary distance.

  166. 60 meters is an official race in the NCAA, it’s generally won by the same people who are best at the 100m.

  167. In training, (fast-twitched) whites are consistently quicker. A single go for all-out race and the select darkies inexplicably get it together. One go. Anyone remember doing 10s and 20s for football? The 100/200 on a steep MOUNTAIN would be regularly dominated by whites like J. Wariner.

  168. I would have thought my (anglo saxon) sense of humor was sort of redemptive!

    Your Polish nature is more stoic. Your Polish nature does tolerate drunkenness — too familiar, perhaps?

    That is a fair summary of our conflict. I am funny, you are stoic. It is what it is.

  169. I’ve got a Lithuanian compadre who can seem stubborn. He doesn’t seem to ‘get it’ sometimes. When I say ‘it,’ I mean the whole slipshod quasi-American comedy. Frankly I often admire him for it.

  170. “What would you do if you found yourself living in generational absurdity, I humbly ask?”

    lolzozlzolz Well, your candor is commendable, even disarming. But, in all seriousness, if I were you I’d go sign up for the Millers Analogies Test and take it just for personal curiosity’s sake.

  171. PA, you’d ban someone for speaking the truth?

    The white situation is GRAVE in the US. We have no money and very few soldiers. The case for armed revolution has been made for over 30 years. There is no one left to fight back. There may be 20 million duck hunters, but all of them combined could not shoot one human being without state permission.

    Survivalists and many WNs keep waiting….for a collapse that never comes. That’s because the USG has total control, even over the stock market. The USA is a police state here and now, as bad as they accuse the USSR or Nazi Germany of being.

    I have to twist arms to get WNs to support those who do actually fight back.

    If only you had ***ZERO*** tolerance for the niggers, spics and kikes, PA. You should show that fighting spirit against the enemy, not your comrades.

    Demoralization is NECESSARY. Voting will not work. Surveys will not work. All those legal methods will not work. The system WILL NEVER allow legalized WN. Ever! It is done without permission, despite rules, oaths and directorates. Those pipe-dreams need to be completely destroyed.

    I support the real WNs, probably the only ones who will survive the future.

  172. You should be looking for people who push, who challenge, PA. Those are the real leaders.

    It’s the most important thing – if they are scared of you, a voice on the internet, what would they do against the USG, with all their soldiers and cops? Are your words and threats more than a gun or interrogation?

    These rules are a shit test. Would a real WN let some rules stop him? Will the white race allow itself to be genocided because the USG outlaws white nationalism? Or do we tell the USA to go fuck itself?

    This is a huge WN issue. I don’t follow rules or laws that don’t benefit me or my people. WN needs more criminals and terrorists. Because they are the only ones who can fight back. People scared of rules can’t do it.

  173. “Grave” is not the same thing as “doomed.” Yes, it is an unjust and horrific situation worldwide– all the more so if you accept, or even humor the possibility, that at least some “mass casualty” atrocities are manufactured psy-ops created as part of a campaign of anarcho-tyrannical mind control (“you’ll just have to accept children being run over by Islamic ‘refugees’ on a weekly basis– this is the new West and what are you, RACISS?!).

    Even so, our enemies are not omniscient and clearly there are personalities and events which operate, to their great consternation, beyond their control. The BREXIT vote is not something they could have wished to turn out as it did. They wanted American boots on the ground in Syria years ago, and their foot-stomping has become all the more desperate and anxious. Putin governs. Orban governs. Assad governs. Probably at this point they would dearly love to replace Hilary on the strings and find a prop that doesn’t need the Secret Service taking her hand in one hand and putting the other on her shoulder. Donald Trump is the nominee, and no matter how much the MSM abuses the English language, his campaign is far from “disastrous” or “over”. If the LA Times is correct that he’s pulling 14% of the black vote, this is a canary in the coalmine that many more Americans will not heed the dismissal of Trump as a divisive extremist and will instead vote for their and their children’s best interests.

    And good Lord, tattooed felons do not represent the sons of the Gospels and the Aeneid. By all means, stockpile, train, do what you can to prepare for survival– and rebuilding civilized norms– under a Hobbesian collapse of the social contract. But shun despair.

  174. No reason to ban Elk… Not when such a poingnant and on going display of self-annihilation can serve as a very teachable moment on how to stay clear of the infection that is “radical autonomy.”

  175. Ryu…

    In case you hadn’t noticed, your conception of “white supremacist” IS EXACTLY THE SAME, ie., equal to, the conception put forth by the Jewish anti-Supremacist.

    And as long as you are both “right” (wink, wink), you both may stand firmly in the wrong.

  176. In a radically autonomous society, sprinting in a straight line at full go for one hundred meters is the very essence of athleticism.

  177. If the LA Times is correct that he’s pulling 14% of the black vote

    Trump will win easily if he gets anywhere near that figure. But everything I see the media posting claims that Trump is down something like 93-4 with blacks, even worse than Romney.

  178. Elk…

    Honestly… What’s the humor in your gig? This is being asked by a fellow Anglo-Saxon WHO NEVER SENSED “humor” in this sphere “we” roam and the domains “we” comment at?

    In my analysis, you’re conducting psychological war against your fellow whites WITH NO GOOD END IN MIND. Your total act is to make palatable to the many “white” lurkers about a certain self-annihilation.

  179. If you are “black” and not entirely brain dead to the political mores of MRKA circa 2016 then you shall never cop to voting for Trump.

    BUT…

    Trump’s entire plan was predicated on taking just enough of that chunk of semi-sane working class “blacks” in the key swing states so that losing “black” everywhere else 100% – 0% would mean nothing in the big scheme of things if he were able to pull just 5-8% in the swing states.

    At the very same time, his campaign took the absolute steam out of what was then a pre-Trump racially-inspired laser-focus on nigger-on-white savagery and put it directly on miggers. This is ACTUALLY a deleterious flip of the script for wn.

  180. Nobody is banning The Elkster. The man is my Hibernian bro.

    — The BREXIT vote is not something they could have wished to turn out as it did. They wanted American boots on the ground in Syria years ago, and their foot-stomping has become all the more desperate and anxious. Putin governs. Orban governs. Assad governs. Probably at this point they would dearly love to replace Hilary on the strings and find a prop that doesn’t need the Secret Service taking her hand in one hand and putting the other on her shoulder. Donald Trump is the nominee (Lucius Somesuch)

    It’s easy to see the grave things and overlook the existing and emergent resistance, the US elites’ very satanic nature catching up with them. Men with skin in the game don’t opt out and when sufficiently cornered don’t compromise. I was at an upscale mall yesterday. The quiet desperation is palpable. It’s as though everyone is watching and biding time. Even the teenage girls. Everybody knows that a true patriot today burns the Murkan flag.

  181. Ryu…

    Your mathematics break down at Perfection and so one finds justification in a multiverse (patterned redundancy) and quantum foam (assymetric redundancy) AND THEN WILLINGLY IMPRESSES this vice-grip of anti-Singularity on the totality of his life culminating in a rationalized self-annihilation.

    There is NO SUCH THING AS total lawlessness. At minimum is The First Law of Perfection… NO REDUNDANCY… Anywhere in the UNIverse.

    Your desire to exalt “criminals and terrorists” IS YOUR PROJECTED EXPECTATION of TOTAL LAWLESSNESS…

    So you DESIRE THE IMPOSSIBLE so as to require OPERATING by “any means necessary,” e.g., as a criminal and/or terrorist.

    What you cannot do is successfully tie this psychological profile to GENUINE white Supremacy….

    And this is for the very simple fact that the genuine wS cannot conceive the impossible and then impress this unreality with degenerating effect.

    There is no such thing at total lawlessness and if there were then “criminal” and “terrorist” would have no discernible meaning. “We” are then in a state of radical autonomy.

  182. We are all doomed, in a demographically browning America.

    Well yes…. if nothing changes. But change is in the air friend. Trump — God protect him, and I mean that — has already shifted the landscape. When he wins, well all bets are off. My hunch is he’s ten times the white nationalist he hints at on the campaign trail. Not only will he do what he’s said — build that wall — I think he’ll go full blown zero immigration policy.

    The winds are blowing even harder in Europe, but then they are in a far more desperate situation. The Huguenots didn’t know they were all going to get slaughtered the night before the knives came out. Ol’ King Louis 16, bless his naive soul, didn’t see it coming. Napoleon was a punk, and then he was a nationalist leader, and the globalists worst nightmare (yes, they were around even then). The Romanovs didn’t realize how far the Jews had gotten in their Bolshevik perfidy, and then they were dead. (One of the great crimes in history, naturally expunged from the American mind.)

    One thing about history: heads roll when they least expect it. Keep the faith. We’re not done yet.

  183. thordaddy — you are a demonstrable humorless Son-of-a-Bitch. You couldn’t be more of a picture.

    The fact that you don’t get the joke, proves my point.

  184. No Elk…

    This isn’t a place of jokes and humor. Never was and never will be.

    But…

    To your underlying point, I’ve made plenty a people laugh and cry and cry from laughing.

  185. Elk…

    It’s simple man…

    YOU USE YOUR HIGH INTELLIGENCE to advance wS or you SHOULD BE DESPISED by any healthy/minded white man.

    You either reject or embrace this stance?

    What’s it going to be?

  186. Elk…

    You revert to “gracile”
    Because you regress
    To reptile
    All determined to be determined
    Is a redundancy
    Like viciously vile
    Your brains are needed
    Not your smile
    Not your best time
    In the mile
    But on the conception
    Of a Land of white Supremacy
    Is where you COULD BE
    Most agile…

    Why do you keep tossing the ball aside?

    All the while…

    Lamenting…

    Disappearing…

    Come back…

    Pent up and penting…

    Unrelenting…

    Just for a minute.

    With no real repenting.

    But still apologizing?

  187. The type of man who changes things today is more Attila or Vlad than Jesus.

    I salute the AB, ABT, Nazi Low Riders, Skins, all of them. If any white man goes to prison, they are the protectors.

    They have carved out a niche for themselves in the most forbidding environment possible for a white man: an American prison – surrounded by minos on one side and the USG on the other.

    I put no faith in “normal, good” people. They are only good for paying taxes. They’ve had 50 years to do something in the US, and they haven’t made any moves. Then they damn heros like Tim or Anders.

    Survivalists are useless. You’ll get NOTHING from them. I know them well. The collapse happened decades ago. We are living now in the aftermath.

  188. Twenty-one years bouncing alcoholics….

    It does not matter if you now troll the archetype….

    He exists and the higher his IQ, the “higher” is his psychological war.

  189. Ryu…

    You can’t have it both ways…

    Police State = easy as sheeeet to get into and stay in prison = hard as sheeeet to stay out of IF you are a genuine wS.

  190. I don’t drink, TD. I have no use for that stuff.

    Where would America be without alcohol and drugs? Life is so hateful here, the majority of the population needs some diversion from it.

  191. Ryu…

    It’s not the alcohol. It’s the psychological war revealed by the alcohol. Elk is conducting this psychological war so as to not be accountable for his intelligence FAILURE. His oft-repeated attempts at deconstructing my physical presence is in all the same vain. You think he’s the first to divert and distract with the psyche-ops that is “his mind over my matter?”

  192. “Well, both Starbucks and Target are inherently doomed if the “browning” “

    Anecdotally, i see evidence of your point re. Starbucks. But Target? Not so much. Rather, Target seems to draw aggregate ethne of whatever it’s locale. I moved a year ago from living very close to a Target; demo was working-to-middle-class white and Hispanic, about 50-50. There’s easiliy a big enough NAM class in most cities that will opt for Target over the less-expensive Walmart or wherever.

  193. “I was at an upscale mall yesterday. The quiet desperation is palpable. It’s as though everyone is watching and biding time. Even the teenage girls. Everybody knows that a true patriot today burns the Murkan flag. “

    Sorry, but I just gotta ask: how would you empirically qualify such a premonition? Your vision seems little more than a desirous reverie.

  194. What’s the nature of the “white” anti-wS of high IQ?

    In cuckspeak, it is asked what is the nature of the high IQ “white” liberal?

    In passive liberal speak, they ask, “who are the progressives?”

    In order to “level the playing field” AS A high IQ “white” anti-wS…

    YOU MUST DIABOLICALLY DECONSTRUCT the spiritual, intellectual and physical being of your fellow white man.

    The WORST thing Elk could accuse me of was spreading anti-wS.

    And I challenge him to the charge?

    For make no mistake, I accuse Elk of spreading anti-white Supremacy.

  195. In the game of life, ninety-nine percent of the players tap out first. That one percent emerges as a “default elite” with only one percent of them ever having twisted a single arm.

  196. TD — you are right, of course, … but then you are not an alcoholic. It is a decease, pal — so have some sympathy.

    Just have a laugh, or be quiet. Them is your choices.

    Ok?

  197. Sorry Elk… I believe in God-ordained free will.

    And your conduct of psychological war against the minds of immature white boys is the issue.

    Not that you conduct this war “under the influence.”

    That’s a given.

  198. I am inclined to defer to you, sir … but maybe that is part of the disease.

    It is an official diagnosis.

    I didn’t choose to come down with alcoholism. Cut me some slack, men.

  199. The idea that the white man of high IQ does not ultimately control his dis-ease is the signal to the sharks to his pre-determined fate.

  200. PA, I’m glad you got called out in the comments at Vox Day’s today. I’m pretty disappointed to see you stoop to the sort of foolishness that VD has been espousing for the past few months; viz., that cryptic features of one’s writing style offer an instant diagnosis of “Gamma” male, a category I’m not even convinced is real.

    Truth is, it’s unusual that I saw it, because I don’t even usually read the comments at Vox’s. It’s interesting that paradoxically, Vox’s blog is one of the best and most important in the alt-right, yet his commentariat is among the worst, with most commenters being unoriginal, unfunny, paranoid caricatures of internet tough guys who “can’t wait for the shooting to start”. And, his sycophants are the worst.

    But lately it’s been even worse, with Vox’s insistence on holding Gnostic-like secret discernment of which words and phrases people magically make someone insincere. It’s petty and nauseating, but most of all it just usually isn’t true.

  201. “And, his sycophants are the worst.”

    Hey, in tems of the alt-right, it’s not so much the sycophants that worry me; rather, it’s those growing legion of “psychophants” —— they’re the ones who with all those musket-ready violence fantasies. lolz.

  202. Samson J., I wouldn’t call that “getting called out.” A reader whose comment I criticized stood by what he said.

    Nikcrit, if you can’t see what we… never mind. What’s the point.

  203. Nine ten Nordic
    Near morbid
    A psychological diaspora
    Shaped
    As a flamed out menorah
    No light
    At the end of the candle
    An Aryan hoots
    Sayonara
    Squinty-eyed confusion
    Hits hysteria
    His teary eyed stare
    Steers
    A myriad
    Of thought and actions
    Of perfection
    Made mysterious
    Nine ten Nordic
    You must clear the air
    And make the re-appearance…

  204. I got a new line, with the girls,

    You’re beautiful, and i am old

    The twenty-something 9s, and 10s, respond, “You’re ok.”

    I think that counts for something.

  205. I just want a girl with broad shoulders, strong arms, and birthing hips … or is that asking too much.

    Beauty, though? it literally kills me. I can’t be around it.

    It hurts. You guys know the feeling?

  206. PA is too grim, with that Polish personality.

    And nikcrit is too motherfuckin black.

    Ironically, Camlost is the whitest mother here. (i call it like i see it, boys)

    (EPG and thor are also white)

    [“LOL” is overused and misused but I did laugh out loud at this comment. — PA]

  207. Realistically, PA, you have strong stomache. Be glad, man. Poland has one of the highest incidences of alcoholism in world.

    Without gay faggot googlin, it is right behind Finland and Russia.

  208. Elk: could well be. I’m lucky in not being too susceptible. I love me some IPA buzz and then I like to feed it a little more but my saving grace is being able to stick to the limit I decided on at the beginning.

  209. Without letting you get the last word — you are the best blogger… — Elk

    Yes… That’s why he’s a white Supremacist and “we” are all here.

  210. “Nikcrit, if you can’t see what we… never mind. What’s the point”.

    Yes, it’s your POV. But it isn’t universal. That’s all I’m saying; but bonding among kindred souls requires a sacrifice….. Soooo, into the fire I go!

    You do a great job articulating the burdens of ‘you and yours.’ But not everybody has the same impulses, forged from the same formative circumstances and experiences. So I guess my voice here is always contained to social compromise. Oh well, though I can see and accept that therein lies a foundational limit.

  211. Samson: “PA, I’m glad you got called out in the comments at Vox Day’s today. I’m pretty disappointed to see you stoop to the sort of foolishness that VD has been espousing for the past few months; viz., that cryptic features of one’s writing style offer an instant diagnosis of “Gamma” male, a category I’m not even convinced is real.”

    –I’ll admit, I was taken aback when VD read “The Red and the Black” and pronounced Stendhal– STENDHAL–a “gamma”. That was, of course, demonstrably wrong, and I should hope Vox would offer a penitent libation to the literary Pantheon for his hubris.

    However, many aspects of style and “voice” are not at all “cryptic” as you suggest– indeed, Vox has justly preened himself (and fellow writers by extension) on his ability to catch authorial tells. And if you’re referring to PA picking out the word “sorry”, well yes, that sort of “sorry” is very huffy, in a self-righteous, blustering, mouth-breathing sort of way. it’s a self-anointing kind of self-referentiality. It’s not so much that it’s a false regret (though of course it’s that too); rather, that silly “sorry” somehow is supposed to confer some magic AUTHORITY upon what the commenter is about to say. It’s like the headlines blazing HILLARY REFUTES HEALTH RUMORS. lozlzozl You mean “Hillary DENIES health rumors”? “Hillary CONTROVERTS” perhaps? But “sorry, but . . .” does not a refutation make. And that “Verne” fellow’s response was far too limp to call a calling-out. You should see what I treat that f**kwit “””uh””” with! Really, Samson, don’t be so anti-eponymous.

    There is nothing petty about sorting out abusive trolls when, as heartiste not long ago noted, we are living in an hour of wolves. It’s not a question even of ideological purity per se– it is a question of sincerity of intent. Even taking a monstrosity like the aforementioned “””uh””” at its “word”, dragging itself out to glom onto serious discussions with reams of morbid exhibitionism and inchoate vitriol is an act of hatred and must be dealt with accordingly. And such disgusting caricatures, shot through as they are with palpable inconsistencies and contradictions, are rendered proven as the psy-ops they are: a deliberate falsification and uglification of the agoras in which we have come to debate our civilizational survival. So swords are drawn. If you’re a troll, don’t whip out your pisser for a sword fight because that’s not gonna be “Muh Rain” you feel on your feet.

  212. uh is brilliant, but yeah he is dick.

    Anyone who presents a compelling idea? gets credit for presenting that idea.

    Yeah he a despairing person, probably from Hasbara.

  213. I like how Alex Linder said,

    Jews are brilliant. They are almost as smart as whites.

    Whatever happened to Alex, by the way? He was going to be the great intellectual white racist, but then his health failed.

  214. The idea ought to be iterated, for the sake of consistency.

    It is simply that Globalism is a platform, and we have to buy the whole dog. We don’t get to buy the good parts of the dog — we have pick up his poop too.

    The poop being the multi-race environment. We don’t get to live in a global environment without it.

    How do we enjoy the resources of Africa, without the responsibilities?

    The answer is obvious — a strict authoritarian responsibility — but we can’t bring ourselves to do that because we are gay.

  215. The resources of Africa, is this computer. And we don’t get to have this computer, without Usain Bolt (great name, by the way) winning the Olympics.

    Sorry that angers you, … i am just the messenger.

  216. And we don’t get to have the resources of Africa, because we can’t justify (to ourselves) slavery; because we can’t justify white supremacy.

    I am not despairing, just calling it like i see it.

  217. You know you are old, when you can’t open a jar, … and so decide to go hungry.

    Did you know that AA is full of emotional women of above average intelligence?

    I got 50 thousand one-liners, but they aint gonna all be home runs.

  218. My future wife is from AA. I just talked to her.

    Very smart girl, but she is in a so-called “significant relation”.

    She is playing me for attention. Typical woman tactics. I just said to her that i had spare 9-volt battery, to share for her fire alarm. She is upfront conscious of the symbolism.

  219. AA is a beautiful thing. I recommend anyone to attend one of their open meetings.

    They often fulfill the expectation of being full of losers; and then literally, Mel Gibson walks in the door.

  220. I’ve had some wetback associates that were more WN than Ryu. They soundly understood chess, the general workings of the Irish Mob, and the full beauty of life as a free man. Also appreciated the grandeur of an open bar more than any white I’ve known. They treat their almost universal alcoholism like a loyal old Xolo dog who will sometimes bite, not a disease. Globalism is a disease, alcoholism may be nature’s very philosopher’s stone.

  221. “In a radically autonomous society, sprinting in a straight line at full go for one hundred meters is the very essence of athleticism.” (thordaddy)

    My sentiments exactly!

  222. Many whites have a genetic disposition for strong drink. I had, or have, that also.

    One has to replace that with an activity that punishes using alcohol. The key is to find a different addiction; maybe even one that makes you stronger or smarter.

    It’s the same concept as abstainance to cure porn-addiction. Our enemies know the weakness of the white race. They profit from our addictions. Of course, the jew has his own weaknesses – particularly greed and goy blondes women.

    For me, it was seeing that booze didn’t give me anything I wanted. It has no nutritional value. It weakens the body and clouds the mind. In our business, there is little margin for error. Alcohol will not help one at all there.

  223. Are you having some problems with Voxie, PA?

    I can help you, if you wish. His style is the opposite of my own and I have no worship of him. He has had no influence on me.

    You shouldn’t be afraid to talk or write with any white man. Not anymore. WN is the hardest thing in this world. And the higher one goes, the more challenges there are. It makes everything else easy in comparison.

  224. Walmart is a product of drinking the wrong beers at the wrong time. Sometimes a quality drink or apertif is called for by the Good Lord himself. Keep step with these moments, for they will determine your fate.

  225. Vox has already claimed to be a red Supremacist. That’s all the convergence from him that is needed.

  226. Ryu: I have no problems with Vox. The comment upthread referred to a disagreement with one of his commenters. I’ve learned some things from V.D. From his post today:

    “For us, life is not struggle, struggle is life. We are not drained by conflict, we are energized by it. We crave victories, both small and large, and one merely gives us the taste for more and inspires us to go in search of the next. We are always winning because the game never ends and there is no clock to run out and save our enemies from us. And we know that levelling up only means the next enemy will be harder.”

  227. Elk: a three-day bender… who has the stamina for that?

    Nikcrit: you don’t understand, I am not fantasizing or venting. I am describing objective reality, to the extent it is possible to grab at what I’m trying to understand. Nobody in 1859 or 1913 expected war. The buildup of tension is today is a very real thing.

    Thordaddy: we all have a blood/guts allegiance to something beyond ideology. It’s raw and tribal, even if we don’t understand it or if our own sense of identity is unclear. Underneath everything, I am a Polish nationalist. When I read an article about Merkel growling in Poland’s direction, I see red and I’d fire at the Bundeswehr, be it Hans or Ahmed in that uniform.

    White nationalism is two different things, as I understand it. On the blood/guts level, it is — as I see it — an emergent White American identity movement, heavily Anglo/Celtic/Germanic in spirit.

    But it also has an ideological level, in being a sense of brotherhood among people of European descent — Whites. 14 Words is my secular creed. Its strength and its critical importance is that it lets us ally with each other against external threats. “No more brother wars.” No more siccing orcs & muds on each other. Regardless of nationality, we Whites aren’t too different from one another. WN’s limitation (as an ideological position rather than an American nationalism) is that its “no more brother wars” flies out the window when a brother attacks us.

  228. Long thread. Anything good here?

    I first started reading Vox in the late ’90s, or maybe around 2000 or so. One of his WND colleagues was in Southern Africa at the same time I was active there.

    I always thought Vox was younger than me, given his touchy online personality, like a little brother you love to tease, but I was surprised recently to discover that he’s older.

  229. It was a thread for the ages. Speaking of age, “Fogey” used to make me think youre an old dude. We’re probably the same age. I graduated HS in the late 80s.

  230. I think we’re about the same age. I look younger, too, full head of hair and no wrinkles, despite the time I’ve spent in the sun. A hint of grey in my blond beard though.

    Gin is my drink of choice. Like the late Queen Mother, I drink it every day. Been drinking it since age 15 or 16, when a neighbour in London gave a bottle to me. In fact I’m drinking a G&T as I write this. It transports me to a different world like no other drink.

    I should probably stop.

  231. I’m hoping for a Paris-Berlin-Moscow Axis.

    There’s a Polish enclave in nearby Huntington Beach. I’ve known a few of those guys, including one tanned, shaven-headed Pole who surfed every day and made a ton of money finding luxury cars for wealthy buyers in Hawaii.

  232. Quite a few have had one foot here in effect, one (or both) securely in the Pedigree Palace in spirit. I feel NASA-like developments endowed White European consciousness with a comparable psychological feature on the cosmic scale. Do we feel ‘mentally rooted’ to the earth itself when it’s rocket prospects and ShKAS revolvers rather than horse and musket?

  233. I just got off a 20-minute conversation with my AA girlfriend.

    We got a date for the park, on Monday.

    Her iq is maybe 140. Wish me luck, friends. She is 5 foot 10, German Swedish with eyes blue as the sky.

    Obviously any kids would be susceptible to that alcohol problem, but other than that they would be genius class.

    I just have to woo her. Wish me luck.

  234. PA…

    In one sense, the “beauty” of this instance of radical equality is in the order of its inevitability and yet in the aftermath will be the most unequal of reactions.

    Every bouncer cringes at such a potential knowing well the actual rules of the “game.”

  235. I think I hear you TD: you’ve itched to deck a mouthy belligerent but you knew what consequences would follow. In your case, you also have to stay professional and not lose your cool or subject your employer to a lawsuit.

    In this case, it was different. A man’s gotta do what needs to be done.

  236. I would post over at CH, but seemingly on perma-mod.

    In my opinion, the blog host there doesn’t know how to manage the technical details, of running a web-based service.

    It is not to his credit.

  237. Having that kind of traffic, and not managing your site, is a poor reflection of the message. He doesn’t get that basic point?

    Or maybe i am just modded. ha

    But when all the other jerks are allowed there, that doesn’t seem too likely.

  238. 1“I support the real WNs, probably the only ones who will survive the future.”

    I have a relative who’s a retired law-enforcement officer of the court; he swears that the only hard-segregated state prisons exist in Illinois and California; I myself would guess otherwise, particularly when it comes to figuring how things work in southern state prisons. But he’s adamant ab out his claim. I know enough about ‘the system’ in my state where i can vouch for his claim though.

    I wonder if, this being the second decade into the 21st-century, there exists a ‘mixed’ enclave and culture within the larger prison population? “I demand some lutefisk and cabbage with grits and black-eyed-peas; culturally compatible prison chow for all!!”

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