The Liberal Personality

There is a consensus that a person’s political orientation is hereditary, following the notion that political orientation in broad strokes is a function of genetically determined personality traits. If true, then which personality traits put a person at risk of becoming a liberal?

“Liberal” in contemporary context means being, wittingly or not, aligned with globalism-enabling attitudes such as promotion of the procrustean leveling of differences among men and among nations, an impulse to attack one’s own traditional hierarchy structures, and complicity with forces that corrupt family bonds. Liberalism (or neoliberalism as I sometimes call it here when focusing on its globalist program) is a mutation of Communism.

As I see it, these four personality traits contribute to the development of the Liberal Personality; in their acute expression they create the so-called SJW, or Social Justice Warrior:

1. INFP

People with that Myers-Briggs Type Indicator profile are introverted, reliant on intuition rather than on sensory evidence in forming their worldview, they are emotion- rather than reason-driven, and are passive and open to experience rather than assertive and judging. The quintessential INFP personality profile is the poet. At their best, people with an INFP profile are visionary and loyal. At their worst, they fall into depression and passive-aggressive ways of dealing with others.

A person with an INFP personality gravitates to universalist worldviews, is willing to suspend critical judgment, and is susceptible to persuasion. If his thirst for transcendence is not already quenched with sturdier values, he is a mark for brainwashers in schools and in mass media.

2. Mid-Wit Intelligence

The liberal’s pretense to intellect can almost always be exposed as pseudo-dialectic and whenever engaged by one, I check-mate him in three moves. You know you’ve beaten a liberal in a discussion when one of these three things happens: he gets standoffish or angry, he acts dumb and pretends that you agree with him, or he slips out of the pin with a flippant quip.

Lenin coined the term “useful idiots” to describe his naïve sympathizers in the West. Sincere liberalism is the province of the mid-wit. A person with below-average intelligence won’t rationalize his experience to accommodate a conceptual model and a highly intelligent person sees through liberalism’s internal contradictions. If a highly intelligent person happens to be a liberal, it’s usually for Machiavellian reasons.

[UPDATE: Handle and Vladimir make excellent points in the comments on this item.]

3. High Disgust Threshold

If your disgust threshold is low, you will reflexively recoil from ugliness, habitat-contamination, and immorality. As I recently laid out in my post on prejudice, a person’s moral framework is a function of his visceral response to his environment, and that gut-response guides his judgment before he is socialized into his culture’s ethical system.

The level of a person’s disgust threshold sets the point at which he stops tolerating things that appear to be unclean, such as avoiding literal shit and up to abhorring abstract concepts like dishonorable behavior. The disgust threshold determines a person’s capacity for tolerating degeneration in hygiene, sexuality, aesthetics, and morality.

4. Low Empathy

This one is counterintuitive, with the stereotype of a bleeding heart liberal. In fact though, bleeding hearts are not necessarily liberals — they can be poorly-informed people or posers, often young or female, who’d act on their real views if push came to shove. My empathy quotient score, were I to be tested, would be off the charts. This is why I so deeply hate those who’d harm innocent people.

Having low capacity for empathizing with others is what makes it easy for a liberal to shrug off the evidence of liberalism’s toll on human beings. He is comfortable with breaking the eggs to make an omelet, or imposing an ill-fitting theoretical framework on reality and reconciling its cruelty with its elusive utopian promise. Apostate Communist intellectuals like Arthur Koestler and Czesław Miłosz wrote at length about the leftist’s devotion to ideological abstraction no matter the misery it inflicts on millions.

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109 thoughts on “The Liberal Personality

  1. Exhibit A – Hitler. When you can’t weld and skillfully realign your old man’s absurdities into some kind of real friendship, you’re on the bright-pink liberal tollway. This one feat is crucial for any man who aspires to steer clear of menstrual-reeking contradiction in thought and action. A failure to accomplish it can wreak deplorable havoc on this gullible species

  2. I have no doubt at all that there is some innate predisposition towards tendencies and preferences which line up along the axis of difference between our typical political coalitions. Indeed, as a father of multiple children of various ages, it seems that the recognition by parents of the inborn component of this and other aspects of personality can hardly be avoided, though Orwell was still right when he said that in a deluded culture, “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.”

    It makes sense that after thousands of years of civilization (depending of course on one’s particular heritage) that a group’s average dispositions would move somewhat in the direction of compatibility with the needs of organized society such as natural manifestations of martial and bourgeois virtues, and with an aversion to primitive hunter-gatherer impulses which would be maladaptive in a harsh, Malthusian agricultural society.

    But, as per Henrich’s The Secret of Our Success, cultural repression mechanisms were always much more intense, effective, and quicker to adjust than genetic change, and a sizable proportion of any society is always going to feel the instinct of liberation of forager desires from such pressures and a nostalgie de la boue. (See, e.g. Brooks quoting Franklin

    Benjamin Franklin observed the phenomenon in 1753, writing, “When an Indian child has been brought up among us, taught our language and habituated to our customs, yet if he goes to see his relations and make one Indian ramble with them, there is no persuading him ever to return.”

    During the wars with the Indians, many European settlers were taken prisoner and held within Indian tribes. After a while, they had plenty of chances to escape and return, and yet they did not. In fact, when they were “rescued,” they fled and hid from their rescuers.

    Sometimes the Indians tried to forcibly return the colonials in a prisoner swap, and still the colonials refused to go. In one case, the Shawanese Indians were compelled to tie up some European women in order to ship them back. After they were returned, the women escaped the colonial towns and ran back to the Indians.

    )

    As soon as the cruel selection pressure is relaxed even a little bit, such behaviors won’t be so immediately self-destructive so as to weed the most susceptible people out of the gene pool.

    Nevertheless, I think that genetics is a small contributing factor – and one easily overwhelmed by the others – in comparison to cultural exposures to environmental cues regarding one’s social context, most especially a special sensitivity for any signals emanating from those individuals who tend to enjoy the highest level of fame, prestige, influence, and authority. The instinct to unthinkingly ape, mimic, and go to extreme lengths to conspicuously affiliate with the attitudes of high status elites is, I judge, the key explanation for the popularity of modern liberal sentiments progressive ideology.

    As support for my conclusion I rely upon the fact that inborn characteristics are remarkably stable during an individual’s lifetime, while I have many observations of dramatic political shift in individuals when they are placed in a different social context, or when their life circumstances change in a significant way, usually involving family formation. If this were not true, then top Republican and Democratic strategists would not be obsessed with increasing or decreasing family formation rates in order to goose the proportion of their supporters, such efforts being entirely useless. But they are clearly not useless, and instead highly potent for these purposes, and so the inborn factor is less salient than the contextual factor. John Adams himself – anticipating the quote, ““If a person is not a liberal when he is twenty, he has no heart; if he is not a conservative when he is forty, he has no head,” wrote to Jefferson and said, “A boy of 15 who is not a democrat is good for nothing, and he is no better who is a democrat at 20.”

    One must always keep in mind Robert Conquest’s First Law, “Everyone is conservative about what he knows best,” and combine that insight with what Michael Crichton dubbed, “Gell-Mann amnesia”. People, almost regardless of type, and whether they admit or recognize it, are conservative about what they know best, and tend to scoff as any mindless progressive treatment of the subject they see in the popular press or mainstream media.

    But, alas, this does not degrade their assessment of a prestigious publication’s reputation for reliability, and they turn the page and swallow everything about every other subject outside their experience line, hook, and sinker. Because, subconsciously, they grasp that the broadcast signal is what everyone important and cool will believe, and so they had better get with the program and believe it too if they want to succeed and go untroubled in their particular social context.

    As for SJW types, I have always found them to be those who cannot reach higher levels of social status by competing on their innate characteristics or marketable merits, and so instead adopt the alternative strategy of signaling their superior ‘virtue’, which is like a trump card they can try to use to leapfrog those with genuine talents and accomplishments, especially since such demonstrations always carry with them the specter of a power deriving from a capacity to whip up a mob and thus stir up a nest of hornets to sting you into oblivion.

  3. Addendum: Hitler was no SJW. He was worse : a poetic justice warrior with no capacity for poetry and a deep envy of legit poets

  4. I can happily say I don’t know or associate with any liberals today, that I’m aware of. I’ve cut a lot of people out of my life. Excised the smug losers and signaling poseurs.

    It dawned on me at university years ago that the more a person emotes on behalf of some underprivileged population group, the more I know that person is a heartless shit IRL.

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  6. I think the description is largely accurate, but not so for the more virulent Jewish progressives. These people are working under an entirely different set of assumptions, ones which are actively hostile to their host populations. I don’t know the Meyer-Briggs well enough to say what they are, but they are certainly not INFPs. They are almost the opposite of that, being hyper-aggressive and extroverted.

    I don’t know what makes the Progressive Jews as hostile as they are and virulently anti-white, anti-West. It’s certainly more than cultural. I do think it’s genetic, which is why half-Jews can often be equally as nasty as the full blown types, but I don’t know what the trait profile would be, other than aggressive, hostile and degenerate. But why they seek, always, to undermine the societies in which they live is very, very strange and unique, I think, to Jews. What other group does this in the world? None I can think of, other than ultra-Puritan type Protestants, but they generally take their marching orders from the Jews, as do the cucked out Mid-western types. They don’t understand they are marching to the Jewish piper, but of course they are.

  7. I just tend to think of staunch SWPL’s and SJW’s as well-meaning but very disillusioned people on an extended childhood while they’re shielded by the political stability and economic safety of the West (even though they think that the modern USA dropped from the heavens intact in 1992 or something).

    Put their as**es in the 3rd world somewhere and they’ll come right back to their conservative ancestry in the blink of an eye.

  8. My SWPL friends have been posting crap like this on Facebook the past two week. They’re retconning native cultures to show that they support liberal ideals, in this case discussing the “four genders of the Navajo nation”:

    http://jezebel.com/5812179/the-navajo-cultures-four-different-genders

    LMAO. In my mind this is too ironic to even be funny, since this is the same crowd that would screech like banshees at the first hint of “cultural appropriation” yet here they go trying to mold other cultures into political agreement with them.

  9. ***“four genders of the Navajo nation”***

    I have a couple anarchist comrades with deep, claimed sympathy for ‘Amerindian’ indigenous cultures. It’s as if they think time has stopped and they themselves have no biophysical ties to this planet. For a group that professes to be anti-mechanical, their working, buried assumptions seem to be that they themselves are machines. A complete joke

  10. “The instinct to unthinkingly ape, mimic, and go to extreme lengths to conspicuously affiliate with the attitudes of high status elites is, I judge, the key explanation for the popularity of modern liberal sentiments progressive ideology.”

    Yes, and in the sentence before the start of the above quote, you note that a common ‘high-staus’ source are celebrities; there, along with the attempted second-hand status-mongering via adopting progressive nobility you see among everyday people and that social cue is a lot of narcissism being exchanged; much of the self-absorbed and myopic self-centeredness you see all over society today is transferred the same way..

    “People, almost regardless of type, and whether they admit or recognize it, are conservative about what they know best, and tend to scoff as any mindless progressive treatment of the subject they see in the popular press or mainstream media.”

    Yes! Absolutely.

  11. “But why they seek, always, to undermine the societies in which they live is very, very strange and unique, I think, to Jews.”

    I’m not familiar with his writings and their theoretical frameworks, but I think Kevin McDonald (sp) would argue that such undermining is a developed genetic trait in response to Jewish pogroms over history—— he explains it as a sort of defense/survival mechanism.

    Though I suppose that only begs a chicken-or-the-egg question of which developed first: the undermining or the take-no-prisoners survival mechanism?

  12. PA,

    “A person with below-average intelligence won’t rationalize his experience to accommodate a conceptual model and a highly intelligent person sees through liberalism’s internal contradictions. If a highly intelligent person happens to be a liberal, it’s usually for Machiavellian reasons.”

    I think you’re wrong about this. Not only does it seem to me that today’s elites are sincere progressives all the way to the top, but in fact, there is a way in which high intelligence often makes people more and not less apt to accept absurd rationalizations for fashionable nonsense. (As Orwell once said about some piece of communist propaganda from his own day, “One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool.”) I would even argue that the notorious female rationalization hamster looks weak compared to the high-IQ-powered hamsters of smart people trying to avoid crimethink that would jeopardize their status and self-image.

    Basically, the problem is that smart people derive much of their social status and self-image from being seen and recognized as smart. For this reason, they feel an intense pressure to conform to the social expectations of what smart people are supposed to believe. If this includes some obvious falsities, they will not react by calling out the naked emperor, which would risk losing their status — but rather by forcing their high-IQ super-hamsters into overdrive. In matters where these status and conformity pressures don’t exist, smart people will clearly have on average a more accurate view of reality; however, that advantage is completely canceled on topics where the hamster kicks in.

    (This obviously leads to an important question: what accounts for those rare smart individuals who are immune to this pressure? Some years ago you left a memorable comment on Moldbug’s blog that has stuck with me ever since, asking why e.g. Steve Sailer didn’t become a New York Times opinion writer, and Lawrence Auster an Ivy League professor. Both certainly had the talent and opportunity, but instead chose a life of comparable obscurity and low status just because the regular mode of rationalizing progressive dogma somehow doesn’t work with them. I still don’t have a good answer to this.)

    The trouble is, the sincerity of elite belief in progressivism is bad news, in that self-interested cynical Machiavellians could at least be expected not to kill the golden goose of civilization, whereas sincere fanatics might well do it. This is another important point: it’s tempting to imagine the enemy as cynical, Machiavellian, and motivated by venal interest, out of a desire for absolute moral clarity. People nowadays tend to view a sincere true believer as somehow morally elevated, even when wrongheaded. What’s needed here is a recognition that sincerity of belief is not automatically a virtue, and it can be a vice even worse than duplicity and perfidy when it’s motivated by delusional fanaticism or by rationalizations of fashiobable but pernicious beliefs.

  13. Here’s another observation relevant to the sincerity of smart people’s commitment to progressivism: a situation where the top elites are cynical about the official belief system, and only midwit rubes are sincerely committed to it, is inherently unstable.

    As I noted in the above comment, people, even smart people, will rationalize any kind of absurdity if their hamster perceives that this is a high-status belief and it’s risky and dangerous to disagree. However, while the hamster’s job is to produce beliefs that are at odds with reality, he is normally very accurate and well-tuned when it comes to figuring out what is the required high-status belief. Now, if the elites are in fact cynical, then for people who have some insight into the life of these cynical elites — a group necessarily much larger than the elites themselves — their hamsters will quickly figure out that the real marker of high status is not sincere belief but rather a plausibly feigned one, and that the really high-status people are laughing at true believers behind their backs.

    It’s easy to see how this will cause cynicism to trickle down and gradually spread. Eventually the whole system is running purely on feigned belief, where everyone is cynical and strongly suspects that everyone else is too. Once it gets to this, it requires only a single focal point of open dissent for the whole system to crash like a house of cards.

    History provides many examples of this scenario unfolding. It is basically the story of the final years of communism, as well as the usual outcome of official state religion when it’s imposed by rulers as a political tool without any genuine belief on their part. I don’t see it happening nowadays with progressivism, though.

  14. Belief in the goodness of man is part of the nature of liberalism.

    The belief itself is supposed to be a part of how it comes into being.

    It is very much an ideology.

    Even when things are on a downswing people will still want to believe.

    People want to believe in something.

    *************

    The prospect of life without some belief and faith is difficult.

    At which point the suggestion that we can believe in the goodness of man and a better future seems a right fine notion.

    The heroic model for an aspiring ideal, is in direct contrast to that. Conan doesn’t believe that people can be better; he just goes out and kills as many people in his way to the throne, as he can, or until he gets there.

  15. MacDonald’s slight of tongue was partially deconstructed by Auster, but never finalized. If “radical autonomy” just is the genetic make-up of the Jew then “any means necessary” just is the “way” of the Jews. And a “thing” that operates by “any means necessary” MUST BE ERADICATED or “it” MUST annihilate you. “It” is a parasite… A perpetuating parasite.

    But the “trick” is not in dispossessing Jews of any God-ordained free will THUS RENDERING said Jews spiritually and intellectually unaccountable…

    The REAL TRICK is in embracing this reduction into genetic determinism SO AS TO SELF-DISPOSSESS… To reject our inate sense of spirit to the point of rejecting our true free will FOR THE PURPOSE OF RIVALING DEGENERACY with “any means necessary.” Ergo, “we” become a “parasite” demanding annihilation.

    “We” won’t separate. “We” won’t eradicate. So “we” must assimilate to a fate that finalizes to a “self-annihilate.”

  16. All this society is too complex.

    Our animal nature is opposed to it.

    People posit that there is a sweet spot that allows for European style nations. And perhaps there was, for a time, in the circumstances of history.

    *************

    But on the topic, i think that a lot of real-world liberals (as opposed to the comic book liberal faggots who inhabit the internet), are simply liberals by default because the, uh, alternative right does not exist for them.

    They are not going to buy the model of Conan, and they are not going to buy the abbreviated version that we seem to come up with.

    What is the abbreviated version, again?

    Something to do with iq scores and the greatness of so-called Western civilization? We invented science but we also built the suburbs, so Western Civ is a wash.

    The Platform for the alt-right should henceforth be Fortress America and Fortress Europe and other associated Fortresses, and Theme Park Rest-of-the-World.

  17. “The Platform for the alt-right should henceforth be Fortress America and Fortress Europe and other associated Fortresses, and Theme Park Rest-of-the-World.”

    I do not think that is a good platform, for the alternative right.

    It is, however, a good political platform; and i would say that Trump is along those lines.

    A real platform for the alternative right cannot be adequately expressed in politics.

    The platform that the alternative right is seeking is coherent (and intact) identity.

    The Navajos are referenced upthread, and it is interesting how white people do look to the Indians for an identity.

    Yeah the liberals are retrofitting, but there are examples of Native American culture that are useful.

    The alternative right has not been able make that synthesis.

  18. White identity and white culture is a wasteland.

    There is no organic culture. There are no dances, no ceremonies, no generative rituals.

    Without REAL culture, white identity is meaningless and it will not last. And nor should it.

  19. It’s naïve to assume N. Americans were/remain strict pacifists. Typical error of various strands of anarchism. Most of these alleged sympathizers haven’t bothered to study N. American languages and the like themselves in any kind of detail (an admittedly fascinating subject). I’ve read the man who actually conceptualized democracy was a N. American who suffered from their version of autism.

    The tribes loved the hunt so much they donned the animals’ hides in pursuit and often prayed to the same beasts they spiritedly consumed. They deeply respected warfare as an art, and even consistently valued silence while at battle amongst the poisonous berries/weeds with another tribe.

    ***Fortress America and Fortress Europe and other associated Fortresses, and Theme Park Rest-of-the-World.”***

    That would be a “ho move” in gangsta talk. We Disney’d the globe, and must un-Disney it without shame or ignorance about what we’ve fortuitously triggered. We need less meme-curtained platforms, more dignified bridges of mountain-rock. If we can’t manage so much, I’m in favor of the red man. They would use our roller coasters and uber mobiles as scrap metal for harpoons – men sternly hunting as men.

  20. “The trouble is, the sincerity of elite belief in progressivism is bad news, in that self-interested cynical Machiavellians could at least be expected not to kill the golden goose of civilization, whereas sincere fanatics might well do it.”

    I think you’re right about a lot of the conceits and moral vanities re. moderate ‘progressivism,’ or what historically might be called ‘classical liberal common-cause government,’ but that you’re giving short-shrift to its more abstract goals and influence.

    Western political thought rests on that axis that weighs liberalism-vs-conservatism; idealism-vs-security. If either goes too far, of course, you get either immoral excess and lack of moral and social identity or, if to the right, a soul-stifliing conformity that can be anything from oppressive to self-negating. Historically and, i would contend, for near-future scenarios as well, both forms of western political thought are needed and in fact, western systems are ‘designed’ to go awry if liberalism or conformism gains too much administrative power during a given political tenure.

    In fact, that balance of powers and philosophy probably evolved from the contradictory tendencies you clearly pointed out in your long comment.

  21. elk: “There is no organic culture. There are no dances, no ceremonies, no generative rituals.

    Without REAL culture, white identity is meaningless and it will not last. And nor should it.”

    elk, I think ‘white’ or “European-based’ culture is so meta and self-evident in North America that you and many others (mainly libs, oddly enough) overlook it. I believe this country shows both its European roots but also shows a distinctly white ‘new-world’ culture that’s quite nascent at this point (as well as African-American culture — in the anthropological sense —– which some consider a pure, unfettered and thus uninfluenced ‘American culture,’ but I think it’s that as well as a unavoidable Euro-cult offshoot).

    There’s all the continental white traditions and cultures; there’s various regional cultures in this country that are repped by various Anglo-Saxon nations and strongholds.

    I think your and others critique of industrial and commercial culture in western nations sometimes gets incorrectly forged into white racial criticism. I happen to agree, emotionally, with a lot of your complaints about western public space/suburban sprawl/tawdry commercial spaces, etc. —– but ultimately those are aesthetic gripes that other ethnic cultures have yet to aspire to in terms of possessing the basic frameworks.

    (there’s a guy, a writer whose name i can’t remember; he has a science b ackground but wrote from a socio-cultural perspective; anyhow, he was like you in that he oft-criticized aesthetics of public space; anyhow, his thesis/explanation was that American innovations think in terms of scientific progress, and that its aesthetic effect is an afterthought, which only after the fact gets labeled and assessed. Along those lines, he’s written big critiques of suburban America, starting with Levittown in the 40s as his point-of-departure. ( Isn’t Levittown (sp?) a sort-of American ‘burb prototype? )

  22. We’ve lost our psychic ‘connection’ to silence itself. This happened in the 19th century, and is why Scriabin was a willing proponent of apocalypse. Going out with a festival; setting noise itself free so that silence could be appreciated again (and thus, music). When we all become tone deaf, the question isn’t science v. esthetics.

    Neither are operative on any meaningful (read: divinely supportive) scale. The question is, do you want to peeter out in a world in which slipshod weapons are mightier than men themselves – or reverse this pathetic scenario, hopefully for good? Apocalypse is a cop-out, which is what the implicit worship of the computer represents wholesale, albeit without a realtime Grand Concert to roll out to

  23. — This obviously leads to an important question: what accounts for those rare smart individuals who are immune to this pressure? Some years ago you left a memorable comment on Moldbug’s blog that has stuck with me ever since, asking why e.g. Steve Sailer didn’t become a New York Times opinion writer, and Lawrence Auster an Ivy League professor. Both certainly had the talent and opportunity, but instead chose a life of comparable obscurity and low status just because the regular mode of rationalizing progressive dogma somehow doesn’t work with them. I still don’t have a good answer to this – Vladimir

    Yes, I think remember that thread. Off the cuff, I guess it’s useful to assume that they (not necessarily Sailer and Auster specifically but any talented person who never embraced proggism) didn’t necessarily, fully choose his dissent. It chose him.

    Explanations can be prosaic, like bad breath or inability to network. And I think there is the genuine Disgust Threshold element at play too. There was a post titled DISGUST I did in December, which featured Zbigniew Herbert’s translated poem “The Power of Taste”:

    It did not require great character at all
    our refusal our disagreement and resistance
    we had the necessary shred of courage
    but fundamentally it was a matter of taste

    The power of the weak stomach. But it doesn’t even have to be framed in moral outrage. My parents, for example, were upper middle class strivers in 60s/70s Poland but both refused to join the Party and they went to church, and both of those things complicated their careers. As a teenager, in the US at that point, I asked my dad if he didn’t join the Communist Party because he didn’t wanna be a sellout, and he shrugged that it wasn’t anything melodramatic like that — rather, he said, being in the Party meant that you’d have to spend time making ridiculous speeches to a room full of people you couldn’t stomach.

    In grad school I could have greased my way to what I thought at the time as a promising academic career (I was a popular T.A. and tutor and fancied myself an ‘inspiring teacher’) but I couldn’t take segments of our syllabus seriously, and in a naïve way discussed my reservation with the profs, who inexplicably got snippy. I did jump that ship. Point being in this case that partly out of my obliviousness to politics and partly out of my unwillingness to bite my tongue, I am (happily) doing something completely different for a living now.

    One organization I was affiliated with a long time ago was full of these fully-on-board high-functioning progs. Highly intelligent people, many of whom I respect but also with what Heartiste dubs “shitlib faces” overrepresented among those featured on that org’s web site today. The soft/smug smiles, the “thoughtful” hand-on-chin poses in their professional portraits, the brief bio statements frontloaded with lib-signaling. Shudder.

    A ton of thought-provoking comments upthread. A whole lot more to be said in response. Not answers on my part necessarily, but more questions.

  24. Most genetic/evolutionary theories like this are interesting, but a simpler explanation is the sophistication and pervasiveness of propaganda most educated whites endure. Given enough time, liberalism (deconstruction) became the ideological gatekeeper of people’s thoughts and society’s default and only acceptable position. Realistically, it is asking too much of ordinary people to resist that. Contemporary people are more like androids than principled ideologues.

  25. — People, almost regardless of type, and whether they admit or recognize it, are conservative about what they know best (Handle)

    That’s true in a common sense sort of way, similar to how Newtonian physics works pedicably under normal conditions but when you get close to the speed of light things get wierd. Analogously, organizations today throw that conservatism irrationally aside, as we may be living in some wierd peak hysteria times. I’m thinking of Vox Day’s theme of the SJW Convergence in companies, churches, associations — how they embrace social justice to the detriment of their primary mission. Target’s bathrooms is an example.

  26. — I think the description is largely accurate, but not so for the more virulent Jewish progressives. (Peterike)

    True. In writing this post, I had an average White liberal in mind, someone whose liberalism is suicidal, rather than a predatory. Virulent anti-White Jews like Lerner-Spectre or political elites like Hillary Clinton are not liberals in the way a common person is; they are subversives and gangsters, respectively, operating often sincerely under the prog/liberal banner.

    And “sincerely” in their case, also happens to be aligned with their tribal or personal interests — than not being the case with an average liberal.

  27. I also think my liberal family members identify as liberals because that’s what they’ve always done. It’s just part of the way they see themselves in society. It’s unlikely to change. My great grandmother was the last conservative in our family. I also think the Jewish influence is a big factor. Many WASPs look up to Jews.

  28. I am glad there are liberals. I have no interest in changing their minds, even if I could. The sharpest conservatives are the ones surrounded by liberals.

  29. The Target bathroom decision to allow trannies to use the little girls room boggles the mind.

    Target is based in Minneapolis, and their demographic is striving middle class women who do not want to shop at Walmart with the Mexicans and blacks.

    These women do not want their cute little girls having to share the bathroom with a 6 foot tranny.

  30. Speaking of eunuchs i am about to go on a circumcision rant.

    The excuse i was looking for is the reference upthread to the shitlib face. CH gets a lot of his material from MPC.

    http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8368-shitlib-facespng/

    http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/9038-cuckbilly-elegy-jd-vance-his-precious-proles/

    And by way of contrast to the shitlib face,

    http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/9047-liver-eating-johnson/

    But the host at MPC is famous in the alt-right. His name is in contention for first place, in terms of influence. He posts as Pleasureman and Udolpho.

    His theory is that you (the general you) should not act like a sperg, and our problems will be solved.

    But last i checked, he thinks that the planes brought down the WTC, and further, that circumcision is not something to cry about.

  31. Liberal opinions are adaptive, and but it is not only about social status signaling.

    The whole kit and kaboodle of modern life, with all its conveniences pleasures luxuries and leisure, has to be justified, to be enjoyed. Recall that the controversial poster, uh, made this point.

    We can’t have everything we do and enjoy it, and at the same time consign the Africans to slavery.

    We do actually consign the Africans to slavery — but we have to pretend that we don’t so we allow a bunch of them to come here.

    In order to enjoy the fruits of globalism, we have to tell ourselves that it is good for everyone, and that is what liberalism is about.

    Is that a fair summary?

    **************

    I had a facebook acquaintance who was such an Oreo. Great musician. He was good with memes, and in support of my conservative postings made the memorable comment, which was probably in circulation then in that part of the country which was DC,

    Red is the new Black

    However he unfriended me after my rants got too explicitly racist.

  32. The funny thing is that I ended up defending black people in my discussion with these liberals. They act as if blacks are incapable of doing anything for themselves. I pointed out there are a lot of middle class black people out there.

  33. I went out last night, and it really confirmed some observations about the self-selected people who go out to the bars around here.

    The incidence of race-mixing among those people is high. But i would say that putting a number on it misses the point, because exactly what does that number mean?

    There is only one bar around here. Actually there are two, but one is happening and one is lame.

    At the happening bar are players. Players — what does mean to you?

    Some of these people are young and strong, and have functioning sex organs, and they are using them.

    But of these people, i would say that 10 per cent, maybe one in 6 — is white girl and black male. Wow — that is a lot. And these white girls are hot. Bar hot, which means what it means.

    *****************

    A quick anecdote. As i walked up to the door, three hard-ons walked out, tattoo’ed twenty-something players, and the youngest and dumbest tried and give me a hard look and i looked him down easily and he averted his eyes and spit into the ground. And weirdly then the staff came out and asked if they paid their tab.

  34. ***They act as if blacks are incapable of doing anything for themselves.***

    De facto, the liberals are mercilessly derogatory toward the negro; when the aspiring darkie is out with a hoard of SWPL hipsters and feels part of the crowd, I feel like letting him in on the jibe. They think they’re taking Africa herself for a walk to a freak folk concert — a way of relegating an entire sociological milieu to the rank of a pet labrador plucked from the woods

    At core, they’re incapable of squarely seeing them as individuals. Generally I just chuckle at these things though. I’m not one to stick up for the imitative negros — I suspect such a p.o.v. is often somewhat mutual. They think they’re out boozing with actual Deutschland, not its intentionally blind failures

  35. Speaking of music, the alt-right should jump on the folk ship. It hasn’t been explored sufficiently. I can see a hybrid of metal and folk and other such tinkerings. Not country, not rock, not acid genre. Something else. Someone get on that

  36. The Papuan war dance.

    There was a guy who would hang, all day every day, at the Lakes, go around them 5x per day, doing that dance. It moves about 3 mph but feels good. In case you just might have to kill someone, your joints are oiled.

  37. The Papuan war dance. Give me credit for introducing this meme.

    You know of what i speak.

    It was featured in the netflix documentary about the lost Rockefeller scion who went native after his canoe flipped out in the wide ocean and they thought he was lost and dead but no! his superior genetics saw him through.

  38. So Arthur and I, we soon drew our own hogs
    and scarce gave them time to draw their own blades
    when a trusty shillelaghs came over their heads
    and bid them take that as fair warning

  39. I’m confident Jerry Garcia would be alt-right, more for the potential imaginative offshoots it furnishes the mind with than the nascent politics it’s articulated

  40. There is such a thing as a liberal WN, PA.

    Most WNs are indeed conservative and right-wing. That may be why WN loses so often. Logic and reason can only go so far in this world.

    One can be a Communist WN, a Satanic WN, a Muslim WN or any number of variations. I would be bold to say that the right wing WNs are not strong enough to win.

    Don’t lie to yourself, PA. If you are so concerned with innocents, what about the millions killed by our War on Terror? More empathy would teach you that the USA and Europe are just getting paid back for what they did in the Middle East.

    You’ll stagnate unless you diversity your sources. I recommend Osama. He was a tremendous military leader.

  41. ***One can be a Communist WN, a Satanic WN, a Muslim WN or any number of variations.***

    So it’s like shopping for apples at a Super Walmart! I reckon all sides are too chickenshit to go after tech itself. It’s the new messiah, right, left, and on the fringes. I’ve seen one WN and he isolated himself to the point of total irrational absurdity. It was Kaczynski.

  42. No, it’s the TRUE meaning of diversity….having many forms and methods, until one works.

    I salute diversity. But the real diversity, not the American version. All views equal to compete – pro gay anti gay, pro white anti white, pro woman anti woman. The Murkan version is fake, because they only allow pro gay, pro woman and pro mino views.

    Ted Kaczyinski was a genius. He got his PhD at about 20 years old. He was still a genius when he became the Unabomber. No WN alive admires Ted more than I do. And he was right to fight back against technology.

    His writings on liberalism are as true now as they were 20 years ago:
    “Those who are most sensitive about “politically incorrect” terminology are not the average black ghetto-dweller, Asian immigrant, abused woman or disabled person, but a minority of activists, many of whom do not even belong to any “oppressed” group but come from privileged strata of society. Political correctness has its stronghold among university professors, who have secure employment with comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual white males from middle-to upper-middle-class families.”

  43. There are Muzz WNs. There’s a guy with a red beard who is popular in Britain. I’ll find his name for you. WN is a racial movement, not a religious one.

  44. Ryu…

    You cannot question genuine concern for “innocents” with a disingenuous concern for other “innocents.” That’s real libacious liberation that someone even more radically autonomous might take notice of?

    Are you attempting to be “recruited” with this line of radical jihad autonomy is better than UncleBeast’s radical autonomy?

  45. I read Industrial Society and its Future one night after using some unarguably useful techne to scuba dive that afternoon. Makes one think these things must be delineated and put forth much more clearly than they have been. He might have done so himself if he had diligently talked to others instead of hoard up in that cabin.

  46. Ryu…

    All your variants of wn SHOULD have you conclude a wS as the aim of being for all white males. The effect is clear as day. There is no INHERENT objective Supremacy to any nation UNLESS there is a strong and unrelenting desire for objective Supremacy at the individual level. Ergo, a “nation” of socialists… The MRKN “nation” circa 2016… A “nation” of liberals who reject objective Supremacy CANNOT SUSTAIN and can never come to be IN THE FIRST PLACE with such a fatal “first principle.”.

    Ted Kaczynski is a self-annihilator… He was indicting HIMSELF… High IQ “white” male… And the nerds he was amongst… The literally “nuts and dolts” of UncleBeast’s global machinations.

    He has STILL NOT CONVERTED to wS after “seeing” the self-annihilation that is “white” liberation through “advanced” technology.

  47. Kaczynski knew what was at stake. It’s human consciousness. But no one will ever stop fumbling around about their surface identity. In the meantime, their particular psychological heritage is becoming one with the homogeneous computer. Autonomy indeed

  48. It may boil down to one world language, and it won’t be black, red, or White. It will be “code.”

  49. The Target decision and the other conspicuous corporate alignments with progressivism now that the culture war is lost is actually quite a fertile area for discussion, and I would encourage you to write a post on the topic. I would suggest, however, that these signaling affiliation and alliance with the progressive state is in fact a good long term business decision even if generates short term costs or PR troubles. The reason is that the regulatory apparatus is so arranged that it can make life hell for any company on any pretext, either through active prosecution or passive aggressive delays, or in the alternative, grease the skids for any of the innumerable business initiatives which require government approvals.

    In this regard, a company doesn’t have to be faster than the bear, just faster than their competition, who then becomes a warmer target for the heat seeking missile of the SJW mob or arbitrary state.

    Notice that all the progressive politicians are constantly railing against Walmart and obstructing the opening of new locations, while target gets a pass.

    Thus, to curry favor with the state/mob in an era of an increasing and biased state role in these affairs, by means of these obnoxious and blatant displays, could make perfect long term business sense for any entity with a decent feel for which way the winds are blowing.

  50. We get attached to these tools, because we’re conditioned to think they exist in a more permanent sense than mankind. If the belief grows ubiquitous and deep-rooted enough, it will magically come true

  51. Target is like the TSA… A large scale conditioning of the masses to an increasing level of tolerable sexual degeneracy. These corporations gone “anti-corporal” are signaling to the perceptive that they are actually in the business of “white” racial self-annihilation and within their business model is an inherent implosion.

    Can you “see” the prophet in that?

  52. Notice that all the progressive politicians are constantly railing against Walmart and obstructing the opening of new locations, while target gets a pass.

    Kinda like how NYC keeps getting a pass on its stop-and-frisk policing policy while the media focuses on places like Ferguson and Baltimore.

  53. Ryu…

    It doesn’t seem to computate in your moral calculus that Muzz who mass murder sexually degenerate “white” liberals in acts of self-annihilation DO SO FOR A REWARD of realRADICAL SEXUAL AUTONOMY in the form of seventy-two virgins for eternal smashing.

    And you “respect” that?

    And you “respect” the “moderate Muslims” who give this ALL-OUT (read: eternal) sexual degeneracy a vast and unscrupulous cover?

  54. ***Ted Kaczynski is a self-annihilator***

    Ray Kurzweil and the so-called transhumanists are the real self-annihilators. They are really out of line philosophically – look at their proud, blatant flight from the real. The whole thing is creepy beyond expression. Is this what we as whites have come to: a simultaneous suicide on both the mental and physical fronts? A cyborg is not a transhumanist; it’s a pseudo alien. And I guarantee you the real E.T.s are laughing at them

  55. elk: “But of these people, i would say that 10 per cent, maybe one in 6 — is white girl and black male. Wow — that is a lot. And these white girls are hot. Bar hot, which means what it means.”

    Uh-oh! Elk is trying to incite PA into banning him. lol.

  56. The notion of immortality cannot be psychologically sustained unless one envisions his fight against Evil.

    Immortality… Just because “I” transgress humans… Lacks all detail to one’s attention.

  57. “But of these people, i would say that 10 per cent, maybe one in 6 — is white girl and black male. Wow — that is a lot. And these white girls are hot. Bar hot, which means what it means.”

    16% means that the miscegenation rate falls by about 1% per county as you move Westward from Milwaukee…

  58. the alt-right should jump on the folk ship. It hasn’t been explored sufficiently. I can see a hybrid of metal and folk

    Dude, maybe you already realize this (if you’re into such things), but folk metal is way, way ahead of you. YouTube is a literal playground of folk metal bands, usually from Scandinavia or Eastern Europe. They’re not necessarily explicitly alt-right, but their music nonetheless drips with ethnic pride. In fact because this pride is integral to the music, it might even be better that these bands aren’t explicitly political; better to let our people enjoy music and then discover *why* they enjoy – viz., because it celebrates their heritage – than to force-feed them the equivalent of musical ‘preaching’ (in the same way that most contemporary Christian music is forgettable because it tries to “force” feelings that should come naturally, while the music that endures is the stuff where the composer’s joy was palpable, e.g. the Hallelujah Chorus or any Bach).

    My favourite of these bands is called Korpiklaani, but there are many others. Here’s their version of a traditional Finnish polka:

    A non-metal version (also enjoyable) can be found here:

  59. Samson – kind of punkish, but an intriguing angle. Agreed on the political thing. I’m not in music, but often go to it for ideas/regeneration

  60. And there is exactly where “ethnic pride” devolves to when ethnic achievement is totally detached from any conviction for objective Supremacy… Punkish.

  61. I don’t think most Muzz believe in the 72 virgin thing, TD.

    It would be like saying Christians do what they do to go to heaven, where there is no sex, and therefore self annihilating. It’s a game we play, that the pagens go to Valhalla, the Christians go to heaven, and the Buddists are reborn.

    I do salute the way Muzz oppose the USG. That is magnificent. They are great warriors to survive everything the USG and Israel have done to them.

  62. “I do salute the way Muzz oppose the USG. That is magnificent. They are great warriors to survive everything the USG and Israel have done to them.”

    What have they “survived” exactly? The US and Israel haven’t tried to genocide them, only to destabilize their nations so they can’t be threats to Israel. At that we’ve done a very, very fine job, at the cost of tons of US blood and treasure. But muh Israel! Incredible what we’ve expended at their behest for no damn good reason.

    The Muzzies are dreadful warriors. All those nations and they haven’t been able to wipe Israel off the map. You really can’t be a more terrible warrior than a Middle Eastern Muslim. They stink.

  63. I only wish WNs did as well as the Muzz, especially the mujahaden. The mind of most WNs wouldn’t even allow them to shoot soldiers.

    WN pacificism is sickening. The enemy is genociding us. Yet, most WNs say don’t fight back. Don’t do anything, because its dangerous. Cops and soldiers serving our enemy are let off the hook. No American cop or soldier has done anything for the white race in recent history.

    Just imagine the balls it would take for a WN to hang 4 military contractors over the highway overpass.

    Muzz in Iraq and Syria have survived: torture, no knock raids, drone strikes, US occupation, assasination attempts, indefinite detention at Guantanimo, Abu Ghraib, and many other things for at least 15 years. And they haven’t given up.

    The Palestinians have endured far worse. Jews torture their children, and they haven’t given up either. 50 years of it.

  64. Uh-oh! Elk is trying to incite PA into banning him. lol.

    Dd you have to “lol”?

    We wouldn’t hate you so much, if you didn’t.

    But you want to be hated. (tell me about it)

  65. The ruby Splenda of e-battle, or packaged Stevia of the tranquil digital comatose? It’s a circle chasing its own curves. The Muz who slice up other peoples’ genitals like jealous ex-wives on meth probably derived it from some sort of Western entertainment. The SWPLs call it Indie Arthouse Horror. The insects across the ravine call it their offensive game plan. The answer to this lies in the mirror, gents. We’re all contributing to some degree. Go into it

  66. Uh-oh! Elk is trying to incite PA into banning him. lol.

    Elk is describing what he saw. You are crowing about it. So who’s trying to get banned?

  67. Yeah, I think some folks have been watching too many cowboy movies in their eagerness to put a black hat on one side and a white hat on the other to denote the “good guys.” It’s almost childlike, akin to the fanciful dreams of liberals.

    Muslims have to resort to guerilla tactics and terrorism because they’re too selfish, uncooperative and short-sighted to form a real nation. They’re just a bunch of stupid little disjointed tribes and sheikdoms getting their as**es kicked all across the globe. Arabs outnumber the Israelis by about 35 to 1.

    As far as the Muhajadeen of Afghanistan goes, they’re barely out of the dark ages and have the shortest life expectancy for males on the planet. The only reason the Soviets were involved in Afghanistan is because a few Soviet-backed and supplied tribes cried to Moscow for help against their other goat-f***cker rivals and allowed the Soviet military to build bases there. They were all to eager to stand by and watch the gunships come and shoot down their other Muslim co-religionists. They are NOT honorable people at all, despite the romanticizing that may go on.

    For nearly 1300 years Arab slavers took Western captives, invaded Southeastern Europe and the Balkans, and stole Sardinia and Corsica from the Europeans and occupied Spain until 1492. For nearly 1000 years they raided in the Caucasus, Hungry and Russia for female slaves and castrated the captured males to work as bodyguards, mercenaries, administrators and laborers. The Circassians of Egypt are descended from them to this very day, as were the Jannisarries of the Ottoman empire. Portraying the Muslim world as innocent and put-upon is quite laughable.

    And there’s absolutely no way that White Nationalism and Islam are compatible. I can’t stop laughing long enough to even detail the myriad of (mostly obvious) reasons.

  68. “Dd you have to “lol”?”

    Very mildly ironic riposte IMO, referring to longtime back-n-forth with blog host on this subject; we’ve outright joked about it before.

    But then, if the intended recipients themselves are a bit peeved, maybe it was out of line…… Soooo, if that is indeed the case, apologies extended to all concernedV

  69. Camlost, I have not heard about the Circassians before.

    Many stolen, purchased or willing Circassian emigres ended up spread throughout the Arab World. The Ottomans were particularly fond of Eastern and Central European captives due to the beauty of the women and due to the fact that the various sultans could use them as virtual clone soldiers (a la Star Wars) due to them having no prior political alliance in being so far from home.

    Some Circassians eventually rose to power, intermarried and took control of Egpyt for a time after the Mongols swept thru and killed the Caliph in Baghdad in around 1260 (Mameluke dynasty) going from slaves to rulers based on superior military prowess and political skill.

    Also, if you read Voltaire’s Candide it talks a bit about the awful fate of European travellers taken by Arab slave traders or pirates, there’s many other accounts beyond that. It’s estimated that as many as 300 million non-Muslims were enslaved and dispersed by Arabs from 600 AD to the present day. The legend of Vlad the Impaler (Dracula) was based on a kernel of historical fact surrounding the continual Ottoman incursions into central Europe, and their brutal military tactics.

    Miguel de Cervantes of Don Quixote fame fought in the Battle of Lepanto, a crucial victory for Western Europe (coalition of Venice, Genoa, Spain) that finally brought some measure of safety to European by stopping Ottoman naval superiority in the Mediterranean. The Ottoman Empire lasted until 1922.

  70. On mudsharking: When I encounter a licorice bather, they’ll often eye me intently and hopefully – regardless of whether the attendant brotha takes notice. I refuse eye contact, but in a way in which it’s clear I’m consciously avoiding her hungry gaze. Gets to both of them

  71. When I encounter a licorice bather

    Does she bathe herself in licorice… Oh, I see — she bathes a licorice stick in herse… ew gross. I saw a horrid sight today. The mudshark was formlessly obese and her children were divided into ones who appeared to have a black father and ones who appeared (this is a rarity) to have a mestizo father. Her genes, her manifest slovenly housekeeping, projected themselves onto her sprogs, who were — no mincing of words — hideous. Fucked up facial proportions, fat and stupid looking. What made the scene poetic was her clear, intelligent voice that belied her gutter-trash fatness and the high-WASP names she gave her dysgenia-trophies. Come tribalism, where will those fat horrors go? Come end of affordable insulin, where will those fat horrors go? Evolution’s apparent future and evolution’s dead-ends are hard to tell apart when pinned in a fragment of non-moving time.

  72. Just ask those militants in Golden Dawn in Greece if they think that Islam is compatible with White Nationalism. I think they may know something about the subject.

    The Ottoman Turks dominated and subjugated Greece from the 1400’s to the 1800’s and massacred Greeks scattered throughout the Eastern Mediterranean. Greece was finally able to throw off Turkish colonial domination with help from France, Britain, and Russia and most Turks left Greek soil, except for the foothold that Turkey still has on the European continent on the Western side of the straights of Bosporus centered on Istanbul.

    But now Muslims want to just trample through Greece and turn it into another cra*phole “Islamic republic.”

  73. ***…trample through Greece and turn it into another cra*phole “Islamic republic.”***

    Some things went down in Greece before humans sprang up that would make even the Gods cringe. You can sense it. But it’s beautiful territory. Sadly, I had to look up “Golden Dawn,” instinctively associating with Crowley and his hermetic order. Good for them.

  74. If your metric is “radical autonomy” then Jihad and wn are intimately intertwined by “any means necessary.” If the metric is wS then wns and jihadists are ETERNAL enemies AS antithetical entities.

    Ryu, you Just be prepared to declare your “metric” and the consequences due thereof.

  75. And it doesn’t matter what individual jihadists think is true. What matters is what Islam claims as “truth” and seventy-two virgins for eternal smashing upon a self-annihilating mass murder of infidels IS THE UNDISPUTED CONVERSION ACT into Islam martyrdom.

    So if you really, really loved chocolate, nougat and caramel, should you be able to mass murder all the candy bar consumers SO AS TO BE rewarded with a never-ending supply of the Milky Ways?

    So it takes a special kind of crazy to envision either total annihilation or absolute pleasure after one has sought out absolute pleasure and total annihilation, respectively.

  76. The symbiotic regression of Islam and the modern “white” west could not be more obscene. In the east is a worldwide demand to annihilation with an otherworldly reward of absolute pleasure. In the west, is a global demand to absolute pleasure in the certaIn expectation of a total annihilation. So the twisted conceit of the jihadist is in his worldly sexual suppression in stark contrast to the sexual licentiousness that is the modern westerner AS a real sacrifice deserving of his own other worldly pleasure of absoluteness.

  77. Even if diversity was somehow in the cards of destiny, it wasn’t supposed to occur forcefully under feverishly-abbreviating auspices of a video-phonic vortex. Diversity as key moral criteria rather than occasional/possible happenstance side-effect fosters man’s demotion to an outright abstraction (e.g. “the plugged-in human family: glimpsed ONLY on the iphone! Succumb!”) — a subdued diversion of the same order as the very gadgets serving as graphic lube for this embarrassing miscellany.

    I’d guess some of those players really pushing it are cynically doing it to satirize the idea, unknowingly making slave-like caricatures of their own integrity and habitat

  78. PA, you do realize the irony here. You, as an outsider, an Eastern European and a Pole to boot, one who utterly lacks the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals (talk to Vox Day on his theory**), are claiming that you do indeed possess the inherent qualities required to perpetuate Western Civilization. Nativists held your kind in contempt for your alien ways of life, yet by the power of magic dirt you have transformed yourself into one of the natives. The stench is indeed unbearable.

    **The Preamble to the Constitution of the United States of America contains an extremely important phrase that is almost always ignored by those who appeal to it, or to the men who wrote it, in defense of immigration. It states:

    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    The key phrase is this: “to ourselves and our posterity.” The blessings of liberty are not to be secured to all the nations of the world, to the tired and huddled masses, or to the wretched refuse of the teeming shores of other lands. They are to be secured to our children, and their children, and their children’s children.

    It is clear that even to the fourth generation, immigrants are prone to maintaining their primary loyalty to their ethnic group, if not their nation of origin, rather than to the nation to which they have nominally grafted themselves. They are guided by the principle of “what is good for the Irish” or “what is good for the Jews” rather than “what is good for the Americans” or even “what is good for the USA”.

    No immigrant, or child, grandchild, or great-grandchild of immigrants, should have been permitted to vote or hold any office. Had the USA instituted such a policy, it might still be America instead of a multi-ethnic, white-minority idiocracy on the verge of crumbling into violent conflict and ethnic partition, as the ignorant public entertains itself by pretending to believe that Hamilton was either black or Hispanic.

  79. You’ve commented here earlier in similarly peevish tone under a different handle.

    And your shit’s all confused. Western Civilization does not equal Anglo-Saxon does not equal American.

  80. you do realize the irony here

    A better question would be, do you?

    Since your intended point is that non-founding stock white Americans are incompatible — PA’s demonstrated enthusiasm for this nation state, and specifically failure to grasp that, is ironic.

    There is a contrary troll with the same handle at Sailer’s. He is usually ignored.

    ******************

    However; on the question of non-founding stock Americans, the classic examples are not the jews (because they’re the jews), it is the Eye-talians and dirty Irish.

    And there are issues about those peoples. But in the present situation, it is an irrelevance, and only suitable for conversation’s sake, and by trolls for trolling. But it’s a tired troll.

  81. Ax, a necessary edit,

    Since your intended point is that non-founding stock white Americans are incompatible — PA’s demonstrated enthusiasm for this nation state, and specifically your [Corvinus’] failure to grasp that, is ironic.

  82. That issue has been talked to death, and has been part of the American Question since forever, since back when America was a bright shiny light to the world, and Ben Franklin has his doubts about the Germans.

    As far as go the Irish, their not fitting in is “ironic” because they were closer genetically to the Founding Stock, but their culture issues, their legitimate grievances towards the English which they carried over to this country– was the cause of their ethnic activism against the established classes.

    Them carrying over their long-term grief against the English, was unfair (on their part). And if this were a different country, or rather if this country were in a different place in its history — i would have legitimate fucking problems with the Irish and their activism.

  83. A contemporary classic on the theme of Irish immigrants and their hard feelings and their problems with the core Americans, is (of course) ‘Tis by that filthy fuckin mic Frank McCourt.

    He was first generation, and came over early last century, and had a hard time with it, on the streets of New York. However his genetic quality saw him through and won the day.

    He looked like he was from a filthy village, with bad eyes and teeth (and i think under-sized), and couldn’t lose his accent, nor his background — and really, nor did he want to, or that would have been dishonoring his mother and his country.

    But the humor contained in his writing is fairly unbelievable. First rate memoir, and it gives a picture of that very big issue from the last century that we grew up hearing so much about.

    The one theme that i will relate, is his picture of the core Americans, at New York University, after he finally got in and without a diploma, on the GI bill. He paints QUITE a CONVINCING portrait of core Americans at college, and just how superficial they were, in their pursuit of “education”. What education meant to them, versus what it was to Frank.

    And by extension, what were their values. Who were those prosperous tall and beautiful people with perfect teeth, then? The ones that he mocks so mercilessly were from New York City, for the most part, and so there is that.

    But they seemed, in his story, to be awfully shallow people. And the American values back then, mid-20th century, … all about “making it.”

    Making what, exactly? Obviously making the scene, as it were. But it turns out that the criticisms of those shallow meaningless values, the pursuit of the American Dream? well it turns out it was all a bunch of shit, that meaningless scene and those shallow people.

    Those were the values of our elite class? Look what they have done for us.

  84. My previous post could be refined, and the questions it deals with deserve careful consideration. But it is not necessary to get it just right.

    But the basic idea is that those tall beautiful people with perfect teeth, whom McCourt went to school with in NY, and sort of wanted to be amongst, turned out to not have much in the way of an IDENTITY, that Frank could relate to.

    And guess what? that lack of an (ethnic) identity, so in contrast Frank, has lead us to where we are.

    The theme of how the beautiful Americans seemed to lack an ethnic identity, IS explicitly treated, though obliquely. ‘Tis is a work of genius, in my estimation. A case where the popular taste is on the money.

    And so that raises the question, Where are the other great memoirs from last century and but living memory, … from the core Americans?

    What is comparable from core America?

    As we know, Core Americans have some identity issues. And our lack of a moving body of work, in this case specifically memoirs, is yet another example of our hollow selves.

  85. I am not well read, anymore, but the popular enthusiasm for that guy’s work, makes my point better than anything.

    Remember growing up, how we all so “lucky to be an American.”

    That was a truism, but one that we believed in. I don’t believe in it, anymore. It didn’t pan out. And it is not just the financial situation, and the suburban cultural wasteland, it’s a lot of things.

    This living with only a promise? Well, it’s better to live without needing a promise, of a better tomorrow.

    It’s better to live, in memory of the past.

  86. PA…

    “You’ve commented here earlier in similarly peevish tone under a different handle.”

    I’m just following protocol here.

    “And your shit’s all confused. Western Civilization does not equal Anglo-Saxon does not equal American.”

    All three are wrapped into one. From Vox Day–“If Americans can find the courage to consciously reject the myth of the melting pot and expel the Mexicans from the American Southwest, the Arabs from Detroit and the Somalis from Minneapolis, they can reclaim their traditional white Anglo-Saxon Protestant culture. This is highly improbable because so many descendants of that culture have rejected it in favor of the vibrancy of diversity while those who haven’t are far too frightened of criticism and social rejection to even articulate their thoughts.”

    Anonymous Moose…

    “Since your intended point is that non-founding stock white Americans are incompatible — PA’s demonstrated enthusiasm for this nation state, and specifically failure to grasp that, is ironic.”

    It was Vox Day’s point, not mine. My focus is on how PA has the audacity to ride on the coattails of “true whites” and enjoy the fruits of their labor while working feverishly to deny other groups of his “benefits”.

    Do you fit Vox Day’s criteria?

    “There is a contrary troll with the same handle at Sailer’s. He is usually ignored.”

    Corrected for accuracy –> There is a regular contributed with the same handle at Sailer’s who is generally responded to.

    “However; on the question of non-founding stock Americans, the classic examples are not the jews (because they’re the jews), it is the Eye-talians and dirty Irish.”

    Except the Italians and Irish are white and European, and are potential converts to the Alt Right. So why would anyone want to disrespect potential allies in the fight against SJW’s and the Coalition of the Left Fringe Groups?

    “And there are issues about those peoples.”

    There are issues with ALL ethnic groups and races, my short-sighted friend.

    “But in the present situation, it is an irrelevance, and only suitable for conversation’s sake, and by trolls for trolling. But it’s a tired troll.”

    Disqualify, disqualify, disqualify.

  87. No muddlehead, Western Civilization, Anglo-Saxon, and American are not “wrapped into one.”

    — My focus is on how PA has the audacity to ride on the coattails of “true whites”

    The few people who have ever accused me of being less than White have always been resentful talented tenth or curry-Indians.

    — and enjoy the fruits of their labor while working feverishly to deny other groups of his “benefits”.

    So that’s what it’s about: he’s upset I am opposed to non-White immigration.

  88. All three are wrapped into one.

    It’s funny how our Founding Fathers themselves never described it that way, nor is “Anglo-Saxon” referenced in any of the documents they created. In addition, the French, Irish and Scottish aren’t “Anglo-Saxon” and all were well represented in both the Continental Congress and in state legislatures of those days.

    If this is the same “Corvinus” from Sailer’s site then these sorts of dumb comments are to be expected.

  89. “No muddlehead, Western Civilization, Anglo-Saxon, and American are not “wrapped into one.”

    Dialectic is required on your part here. I suggest that you employ it.

    “The few people who have ever accused me of being less than White have always been resentful talented tenth or curry-Indians.”

    If the nativist arguments from the late 1800’s are accurate, you and your ancestors represented the filth of Eastern and Southern Europeans. Only those of stout Anglo-Saxon heritage served as the conduit to Western Civilization superiority and American exceptionalism. Do you really think they desired to have their culture being watered down by immigrants of notoriously questionable character, that being swarthy Poles and Italians?

    Consider SenatorIn the late 1800’s/early 1900’s, Senator Henry Cabot Lodge articulated the necessity for literacy tests and other measures to weed out, at worst, or outright deny, at best, the inclusion of “new” immigrants into American society:

    “It is found, in the first place, that the illiteracy test will bear most heavily upon the Italians, Russians, Poles, Hungarians, Greeks, and Asiatics, and lightly, or not at all, upon English-speaking emigrants, or Germans, Scandinavians, and French. In other words, the races most affected by the illiteracy test are those whose emigration to this country has begun within the last twenty years and swelled rapidly to enormous proportions, races with which the English speaking people have never hitherto assimilated, and who are most alien to the great body of the people of the United States.”

    Interesting how you assume the redeemable qualities that only Anglo-Saxons possess, in the name of “fellow white brethren”. Ironically, you are opposed to non-white immigration even though your ancestors had been labeled being other than white and thus incapable and unworthy of assimilation. So, were those nativists egregious inaccurate of their assessment of YOUR people?

    Camlost…

    So what is your handle on Sailor’s esteemed blog? Let’s talk about your ignorant comment. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, rather than calling you an outright moron.

    “It’s funny how our Founding Fathers themselves never described it that way, nor is “Anglo-Saxon” referenced in any of the documents they created.”

    While there is no explicit reference to Anglo-Saxonism in those documents, assuredly Anglo-Saxonism directly influenced their creation. And they did describe it in that way.

    The study of Anglo-Saxonism by Thomas Jefferson played an integral role in the concept of American identity. His comprehensive survey of Anglo-Saxon customs and law provided him with a precedent for revolution, assisted him in crafting the Declaration of Independence, and served as the model for our constitution. That knowledge based was a political tool to justify the separation of the American nation from the British Empire and to function as the foundational pieces of a national government. The Founding Fathers at the Constitutional Convention acknowledged Jefferson’s investigations and the importance of preserving their heritage; thus, the embodiment of these principles are clearly identifiable in the documents that undergird our country.

    “In addition, the French, Irish and Scottish aren’t “Anglo-Saxon” and all were well represented in both the Continental Congress and in state legislatures of those days.”

    Which would call into question Vox Day’s argument that America was never observably a “nation of immigrants”. Praytell, why were those groups represented? What political party, the Democratic-Republicans or the Federalists, did they align with? Why?

  90. The study of Anglo-Saxonism by Thomas Jefferson played an integral role in the concept of American identity.

    Jefferson was also a known Francophile who wanted the US to ally closer with (and emulate) agrarian France more than England. His ideas borrowed heavily from Rousseau and Voltaire, and he said as much himself.

    Interesting how you assume the redeemable qualities that only Anglo-Saxons possess,

    Again, just an all-around dumb angle for you to take. Our founding fathers never said anything even remotely resembling this. I smell curry.

  91. Curryvinus, you failed at dialectic when you muddled Western Civilization, Anglo-Saxon, and American as the same thing. American nativists were right; BFD: I don’t want Americans in Eastern Europe either.

    I see what you’re trying to do here but you’re trying to lift stuff that’s too heavy for you. Stop dumbing-down my comments section.

  92. A lot of people are also very confused about what “Anglo-Saxon” even means, including our dusky friend here but also some others who should know better.

    English political and socio-cultural tradition is infused with quite a bit of influence from the Norman French, the Modern French, the Roman occupiers of England, classical Greece and Rome and even the Hebrew bible.This is all separate from the Anglo Saxon people themselves, who don’t include others with whom they intermarried and absorbed, to various degrees – the Celts, Picts, Irish, Scots, Welsh, Cornish, Jutes, Frisians, Norman and Breton French, Lombard/Frankish French.

    Think in terms of the scene in Braveheart where the pagan Picts were recruited as mercenaries, they were pagans and painted themselves. (but they actually fought stark naked according to historians, and they were already in the British Isles before the Angles and Saxons migrated there)

    So, when WN’s talk about whites “going tribal” again it’s curious because “white” has never been a tribe, nor has it even been a concept since the 1960’s. The concept of “whiteness” is probably LBJ’s only worthwhile achievement. Northwest Europeans have not thought tribally for nearly a millenia.

  93. I’ll confess to not being completely clear on the definition of Anglo-Saxon. I always thought it referred to post-1066 inhabitants of the British Isles. As far as I know, in 20th century America it’s been used as shorthand for the US founding-stock English protestants, or WASPs. I knew an older man in the late 80s who carried a Klan card (doubt he was active) and talked a lot about “Anglo-Saxons”.

    The concept of Whiteness though goes back to at least the 1790s. It appears in the Acts of the First Congress of the US, which says that “any alien, being a free white person […] may be admitted to become a citizen…”

  94. PA…

    “Curryvinus, you failed at dialectic when you muddled Western Civilization, Anglo-Saxon, and American as the same thing.”

    That is YOUR characterization. “Muddled” refers to bewildering confusion. I used the term “wrapped up”, which means “involved in; bound up with”. Clearly, Western Civilization, Anglo-Saxon, and American are “bound by” several related characteristics.

    “American nativists were right; BFD: I don’t want Americans in Eastern Europe either.”

    You are simultaneously being obtuse and using deflection, which I thought was only possible by Alinsky henchmen. Old-stock Americans, whose ancestors were Anglo-Saxon, clearly harbored hostility toward your kind, as evident by Senator Lodge. He stated the problem succinctly–Southern and Eastern Europeans were culturally corrosive. Anglo-Saxon ideals, i.e. the political and social aspects created by, from his perspective were being destroyed by waves of foreigners with their own culture and no desire to preserve nor adopt.

    To quote someone who know all too well, “It’s telling, is it not, how all of these foreigners and immigrants just happened to produce a new definition of American that included them, a definition that was not held by the Founding Fathers. Nor is it a coincidence that this self-serving definition was subsequently used to justify the largest invasion to have ever taken place in human history, an invasion that has severely weakened the once-mighty American nation.”

Your ancestors were part of that invasion.

    You are an invasive species. Hey, don’t put the blame on me, I don’t make the rules.

    Again, was Lodge and his ilk egregiously inaccurate of their assessment of YOUR people, that being the Polish, at that particular point in time?

    “I see what you’re trying to do here but you’re trying to lift stuff that’s too heavy for you.”

    We don’t care. You have to demonstrate exactly how and why my statements “weak” rather than make a standard SJW parry.

    “Stop dumbing-down my comments section.”

    

The train is fine, PA, the train is fine.

    Camlost…

    “Jefferson was also a known Francophile who wanted the US to ally closer with (and emulate) agrarian France more than England. His ideas borrowed heavily from Rousseau and Voltaire, and he said as much himself.”



    You cavalierly dismiss the impact of Anglo-Saxon society on the crafting of our bedrock documents. Jefferson was an expert in Anglo-Saxon culture, with those ideas absorbed by the Founding Fathers. From a political party perspective, Jefferson sided with the French out of respect for the 1778 treaty that boosted American morale and gave the Continental Army a formidable naval ally. I thought alpha males keep their word. Further, as a noted agriculturist himself, it is unsurprising that he sought to expand that industry to line his, as well as his supporters, pockets.

    “Interesting how you assume the redeemable qualities that only Anglo-Saxons possess.”

    I don’t assume anything. It’s inherent that I possess those most desirable traits.

    “Again, just an all-around dumb angle for you to take. Our founding fathers never said anything even remotely resembling this. I smell curry.”



    You smell your ass getting handed to you. If you are going to make reference that I took a “dumb angle”, then engage in discourse. Make an argument to challenge my assertion.

  95. “we don’t care”, “the train is fine”… funny shit, watching your clumsy misuse of Vox Day’s comment section lingo. You are a dullard. Your entire comment is a reiteration of your laborious earlier comment.

  96. We don’t care. You have to demonstrate exactly how and why my statements “weak” rather than make a standard SJW parry.

    Look Curryvinus, you need to get back out to the storefront checking the register and making sure the lottery tickets and camel lights are fully stocked.

    If our forefathers didn’t like Poles they wouldn’t have welcomed Kosciuczko and Pulaski with such open arms. And we still can’t stop laughing at your comical inability to fathom the difference between A-S culture and A-S people.

  97. PA…

    “funny shit, watching your clumsy misuse of Vox Day’s comment section lingo. You are a dullard. Your entire comment is a reiteration of your laborious earlier comment.”

    You get a taste of your own medicine, and you respond just like the Vox Day’s prey. It’s precious.

    Camlost…
    “If our forefathers didn’t like Poles they wouldn’t have welcomed Kosciuczko and Pulaski with such open arms.

    It’s not the forefathers during the Revolutionary War, it’s the nativists from the late 1800’s/early 1900’s.

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