Emotion And Writing

Sorcerygod writes in reaction to the previous post:

Well, I’m impressed PA, that was a very well-written and pieced-together article. I’m glad I found your site.

But can I offer you a hint? Inject a little more emotion into YOUR DAMN DIATRIBE. It is a diatribe, isn’t it? If you truly believe that whites are getting swamped, and you object to it, then show it.

Intellectually, you’re basically flawless.

Emotionally, you come across as a too-calm professor adjudicating a dispute between two teenagers who got promoted ahead of themselves to his class. You need FIRE!!!. You need ICE. Let loose your caveman or your circus acrobat, shine, dazzle ’em. I don’t ask you to reduce the intellectualism — which is delightful — but show us more of who you are.

When you read Heartiste, notice that he takes gory delight in the “shiv” and laces his neologistic profanities such as “shitlibs” and “shitlords” and “the Skittles man” with hatred, cajoling admiration, and amusing approval. You can *feel* his vibe through his words.

I have nothing but praise for your mind … now work on your heart.

Hey now, “Williams Syndrome” drew blood. Nonetheless, I sincerely appreciate the compliment. Secondly, I admire Heartiste’s writing. In fact, I once called him the best writer of our generation and six or so years later, I am even more convinced of that. But his style is rapier wit, mine is different. Finally, thanks for spurring my thoughts on the tangent of writing and emotion.

When it comes to feeling, I’ll put it frankly: while writing, I don’t care much about my feelings. Rather, I approach writing more like a meditation, similar to a musician absorbed in the strings on his guitar until the sound resonates with the rushing flow somewhere just out of reach. T.S. Eliot had some thoughts on that:

Poetry is not a turning loose of emotion, but an escape from emotion; it is not the expression of personality, but an escape from personality. But, of course, only those who have personality and emotions know what it means to want to escape from these things.

I don’t write to express my emotion because no reader cares about that. Writing is about creating an emotion in the reader. It’s not about jerking off in front of the girl, it’s about making her feel horny and then fucking her. Do I evoke emotion in readers in posts where I aim for that effect? I’m nowhere near the 10,000 hours of practice but in my honest judgment: so far, so good. Examples of where that rushing flow was deafening and I swung for the stands:

Scribbling out a blog post is the farthest thing from my mind when I feel strong anger or passion. But there is one post I wrote because I couldn’t contain my rage — and as I learned, that is not a good way to write. The torturous process involved three days of drafting screeds and deleting them, finally accepting that I have no words to match the subject, except for my incomplete adaptation of a Mellencamp verse. I still get a lump in my throat when I visit that post, and not because of anything I wrote there. It’s #LoganTipton.

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174 thoughts on “Emotion And Writing

  1. I enjoy your writing just the way it is. If I wanted you to write like somebody else, I’d go read him twice.

    The blunt name-calling is Heartiste’s weakest point anyway. By far.

  2. Find the writing style that fits. I think I’m almost there.

    I enjoy your levelheadedness.

  3. I appreciate your writing and it’s been a daily visit for a little while now. You don’t need to explain your endeavors or evolving ‘style’ to anyone. To me it’s a levelheadedness with a certain latent heat that’s definitely intriguing.

  4. In language acquisition, if the non-native speaker is exposed to the language before a certain age, usually given around 12 or 13, his use of it becomes native-equivalent; essentially no accent.

  5. CH is a popular blogger; hardscrabble is 500 times a better writer.

    The best writers of our generation probably work for television. The Sopranos would be my vote: Terry Winters and David Chase himself, for instance.

    The best writers went into tv and movies. That is where the money and prestige is (or it was, before 10 years ago). It is the money and prestige that motivates someone to put out a product.

    In any case, everyone is limited by his audience.

    The other best writing talent went into comedy, either behind the scenes or on the stage. Those were the most perceptive people and the best with words. But comedy has become wrecked with constraints.

  6. Writing for the internet is a different thing than writing for tv and movies and the comedy stage, though.

    Perhaps it is impossible comparison.

    Back when i was growing up, ‘being a writer’ was presented as a noble or virtuous or manly thing, to which the best creative talent should aspire.

    Boy were we mislead … what kind of idiocy. But an example of that aspirational voice would have been Hemingway. But what they didn’t tell us (or at least the point that i didn’t get), was that to be Hemingway, one had to FIRST go fight in the Spanish civil war and learn about horses, and go fishing on a rickety old boat … and THEN sit down with a bottle and pen at the desk, and give a nice account, of what happened.

  7. “…one had to FIRST go fight in the Spanish civil war and learn about horses, and go fishing on a rickety old boat …”

    As to all laws there are exceptions, but this is pretty accurate. The best prose I’ve read came from men who have killed.

  8. “The best writers of our generation probably work for television. The Sopranos would be my vote: Terry Winters and David Chase himself, for instance.” – me, above

    Those guys are not our generation though, they are boomers. And so that would go against the point.

    Writing for the internet is inevitably reduced to the attention span of the traffic.

    Frog memes is what it is about. Greg Hood at Radix is good, but even he is too long. Janos at Clusterfuck is a brilliant wit weirdly dogmatic on fascism. Porter writes great political essays but sometimes that syntax is too 19th-century.

    What people are really looking for is THEIR voice,

    “I don’t write to express my emotion because no reader cares about that. Writing is about creating an emotion in the reader. It’s not about jerking off in front of the girl, it’s about making her feel horny and then fucking her.” – PA

    I might quibble that it is (not) specifically about emotion; i would rather say it is about creating a tone of mind, a frame that includes both emotion and reason, and then that thing above those that is both and more.

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  10. “the best writers went into tv and movies.”

    What’s ironic about the Hollywood food chain is that the writer is the lowest in the pecking order: the first to get his or her submission revised, edited or cut; the least paid (of the creative hierarchy) within a given project or ‘go’, and usually the least vested in terms of having clout with the financiers or decisive talent and any other disproportionately powered element of a given enterprise. The writers are an afterthought…… a good book about television comedy writers was a book on the history of SNL; can’t recall the author’s name but he was the TV critic at the Washington Post for many years….i’ll look him up…..Tom Shales.

  11. I had a friend that wrote many screenplays per year and sent them to Hollywood studios over and over for a period of 15 years… never got anything back but cookie cutter auto/formletter responses. But he never gave up and one day a studio called him out of the blue and offered him mid 5 figures to buy one of his scripts!!

    He was so ecstatic about it that he flew out to California and picked up the check immediately, then processed a fast name change so that he could actually cash the check, since they had written out to his pen name, of course. He tells me that he wrote it as an expensive blockbuster buddy cop movie, and that he will probably never know if the studio uses any of the elements from his screenplay – part of the agreement is that they can change, mutilate, swap or extract anything they like, at their own discretion.

  12. Your writing style is actually perfectly well suited to your masterfully clear articulation of your ideas. It strikes me as calm yet deeply committed, and so in the happy medium between detachment and melodrama. It meets the tests of style, clarity, and grace. You come across as erudite, keenly observant, insightful and wise, while still animated by the passion of a man who has a firm grasp on who he is and what he believes.

  13. You seem like a very emotional person to me. Having a calm, rational writing style does not indicate a lack of emotions, in my opinion.

  14. What is this female Lara doing here? Why don’t you fuck off and die?

    Now, to an actually important post . . . mine.

    Since you are quoting Sorcerygod, let me Sorcerygod make a few comments.

    I’ve carefully read all the comments to my trigger-piece, and I’ve come to the conclusion that PA has a higher mental calibre of readers than does Heartiste. *clap clap clap* . Okay, but you’re pulling them in by sacrificing a larger audience. That’s the first point. The greatest writing is the ability to go H I G H then low. I’ll demonstrate now.

    Watch and learn.

    HIGH: Your emotions, PA, are the color to your painting. They make you manifest to the world, silhouetting you, shading you, shadowing you. When you’re just intellectual, you risk becoming monotone . . . AND YOU THEREBY LOSE THE MESSAGE YOU’RE TRYING TO SEND!

    LOW: Feeling is, like, pro energy. I fucking need to see who I’m talkin to. I want action, not just words. *nodding, nodding, snapping fingers* Like this. Not braggin, but I make it so’s guys FEEL ME. I pulse, I freak, I dance. *spins, head back, tongue up in there* All the time I’m syncing with the reader I’m feelin him and he’s feelin me. We got a telepathic flow goin back and forth, don’t you know? Like, when I write, I don’t just zone out into this little whitefloor world o my own, but I gotta CON-nect, gotta MERGE, and to do that I need HEAT. You gotta feel me burnin up while I write this. And the more emotions, the brighter the rainbow that is me.

    By the way, has that cunt Lara slit its own torso yet from vagina to sternum? I want to see feminine INTESTINES spilling out. Go away and never come back here.

    *bows to PA* Carry on. I’m sure we’ll have an interesting . . . dialogue. Ellipsis! Had to put it in!

  15. By the way, I like the outpouring of critical support and loyalty for PA from readers — only, not so much at the abandonment of critical thought.

    PA could be a better communicator. You guys are holding him back by telling him no improvement is necessary or possible. That’s what girls do for girls. (“You’re great! Yes! Absolutely! I agree with you! Exactly!”) One of only many reasons *sour face* that females are an abomination on the face of the Earth.

    The only route to take is to treat chicks as toys, harvest them if you have the good looks and pleasing, cutting persona (I do), and then — get rid of them, worse off for having met you, although of course they had the brilliant moment of sharing your godlike company for a mere instant of the flux of time . . .

  16. Scriabin: Strictly intellectual, yet the most exotic liquor of the 20th century

    Chopin: Dogmatically emotional, but doesn’t quite make the grade (caveat- Revolutionary Etude)

  17. Sorcerygod…

    What are your thoughts on homosexuality where homo = same = exact same = self?

  18. Making comparisons between PA and Heartiste and thus attempting to draw comparisons between their respective audiences makes no sense when one recognizes a a nascent conviction for wS and no conviction at all. That such antithetical orientations would then translate into concurrent writing styles subsequently ASSUMES equal audiences. And nothing could be further from the truth.

    Sorcerygod… Assume you are speaking to a core of aspiring wS.

    So did you come here to repulse?

  19. All, mighty thanks for the positive reviews! As a teenage chess player, I realized that one needs to both win and lose — win to stay confident, lose to keep sharp. Likewise, sincere praise and intelligent criticism are important.

    Sorcerygod, line your horses up, man. Less “shit,” more “lord.”

  20. As a teenage chess player, I realized that one needs to both win and lose — win to stay confident, lose to keep sharp. Likewise, sincere praise and intelligent criticism are important.

    In chess you learn a lot more from the bad losses than you do from the easy wins.

  21. It can be reduced to two things. Having something to say, and then saying it.

    Brevity is often given as the number one feature of good style, and though i would tend to agree, there is a tension between brevity and style. If people are reading for entertainment, then brevity is a problem.

    Like a good sex session featuring that same tension. Poor you doesn’t want it to be over too soon; while concurrently a convincing finish wants for timeliness. Animals make love as champions. Literally. Big cats and bears especially, though frogs too. The large mammals though not so much; very awkward.

    A problem with the younger political commentary is that the intellectual slaboration on things (politics), is part of the illusion that our thoughts have anything to do with it: the illusion that they are effective rather than reflective: primary rather than secondary. (They do and they don’t, and i am no expert, but our animal intelligence is more primary, and when things get elaborated to a level more complex than that, are thoughts on things are so much humdrum and pretense.)

    As an example of our animal intelligence, Porter recently wrote,

    The war [in which Whites figure out what to fucking do about the invasion of their habitat] is being waged mostly in that semi-conscious plenum space between instinctual self-preservation and a perpetually shifting ratatouille of moral imperatives. More objectively it represents that unpleasant friction between the fight or flight subconscious, which still recalls the pain of disregarding obvious threats, and elevated conscious minds, which are intelligent enough to be convinced of anything.

    I criticized him upthread for his syntax, but so that there are no hard feelings, the phrase “that semi-conscious plenum space between instinctual self-preservation and a perpetually shifting ratatouille of moral imperatives” is a touching one and which reaches into the very space referenced; and perhaps even considerable as an example of the aforementioned conflict.

  22. As the kids might say,

    He never fails to disappoint.

    Me being a literal idiot, read that as a mistake (rather than a joke), for about 50 times.

    But its emetic referent being not just the seemingly unintended mis-logic; but also the character of the person in question always being possessed of that certain insufferibility, that awful knowing talent and backed up usually enough with a rude health.

    Yeah. He’s good. Fucking asshole.

  23. I’ve stated the dilemma in much simpler terms, but the key insight is the shifting of the burden of accountability to maximize one’s personal autonomy. The truthful perception of “our” existential crisis does not fall uniformly across the white race. In fact, “we” cannot even arguably claim that the most intelligent within the white race can even perceive an existential crisis. But, what “we” do know is that IF an existential crisis exists then the highest IQ “white” males are accountable for a solution. This, logic dictates. And then to use one’s intelligence to create the illusion of “transcending” YOUR dictated logic is the stuff of radical autonomy. The highest IQ “white” male is hiding the fact that he will not fight for anything and has no solution to an existential crisis. Fighting, for him, is the stuff of less intelligent beings. But, he doesn’t even put his high IQ into persuading lesser IQs to fight for something. Anything. Total fail for “our” class of high IQ “white” males.

  24. Brevity
    Is part levity
    A lightness
    Against the heavy things
    A fraction
    Of the friction
    Inducing angel wings
    To write
    With flight
    In mind
    Might take all your pain
    Because you fight
    In light
    Of the shortness gained…
    That brevity.

  25. If you want to see what emotion mixed with intelligence looks like, why not visit my site:

    http://www.sorcerygod.wordpress.com

    I’ve only just started this month, but I’m gathering steam. I don’t know how PA got his readers, but I’ve been advertising on the streets of my city, and so far I have some 630 visitors and over 3000 article views, meaning they’re being read again and again. If you don’t like the top articles, scroll down to some of my stories and articles on making money.

    PA, How did you get your readers? For that matter, how does anyone on WordPress? I found you by clicking on your name in the Heartiste site, and I found Heartiste because someone glowingly referred to him on one of the manosphere sites, perhaps rooshv, who I found because he criticized the girls of the Toronto area, and I live in the Greater Toronto Area, the southernmost tier, by the “hook” of Lake Ontario.

    I will be frank. My goal is to eclipse Heartiste and returnofkings.com. To do so, I’ll have to sink low and dirty and aim high and naughty. When I write a story like “Desert Idlers” (which introduces a third major type of man, beyond liberal or conservative) or “Raping Oprah Winfrey to Death” (which isn’t quite satire, because I want her to die, painfully), I engage in fiction for purposes of, shall we say, proselytization. I want the Good Word of Sorcerygod to be an actual, living influence in men lives.

    I think PA is sacricing up to 80% of his audience by sticking resolutely high-brow. Typically, this is presented, ala Nabakov or Mailer or Cheever, as a stand for art and taste, but realistically, it’s an expression of an inability to write well colloquially. I also think they too suffer from an arid lack of emotion.

    Well, toodles. I’ve got to check my website.

  26. Nabokov? No butterfly collector suffers from “lack of emotion.” As novel and colloquial as “Raping Oprah Winfrey to Death” sounds, Canada remains Canada. Don’t play w/ fire

  27. Horrible advice, so bad in fact I’d IP ban him for his treachery whether it was intentional or not. Good writing comes from author’s ability to evoke emotion in the reader, not by using the medium as an excuse to emote. Heartiste is a unique talent, that doesn’t mean emulate his style.

    [I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. For now. — PA]

  28. — How did you get your readers?

    I have been around as commenter “PA” on a couple of very good blogs since 2004 and many fellow-commenters liked my posts.

    — I will be frank. My goal is to eclipse Heartiste and returnofkings

    And you will. I guarantee it — IF you deliver more value than they do. What is value in blogworld? It’s originality, insight, style, content, helpful information, wit, relevance, and very importantly — good commenters. What isn’t “value”? Self-indulgence.

  29. sorcerygod… If you want to top Heartiste and RoK readership then it won’t be done targeting men. You must aim lower for the male liberationist.

  30. I’ve taken to this blog because PA is very level-headed, mature and always cognizant about the image we ought to project forth if we want the movement to grow. The heavy name calling by people like CH is pretty infantile and suggests a degree of social maladjustment, which is the last thing we need to be associated with.

    In contrast to PA, some alt-right bloggers have crazy delusions of grandeur and take their blogging waaaaay too seriously for my taste. The younger ones are especially bad about that, chirping about the huge changes they’re going to inspire in society when they don’t even have 5 regular commenters yet.

  31. Philomathean
    Horrible advice, so bad in fact I’d IP ban him for his treachery whether it was intentional or not.
    ——————————–

    Thankgod somebody said it.

    Sorcerygod is a perfect example of everything thats wrong with the internet.

    First of all, PA ain’t CH.

    Second of all, CH ain’t shit so stop suggesting everybody ride his cock, m’kay?

    PA has his own style and you got no business tryin to change it cause “it is what it is…” so stop bothering him.

    And stop bothering Lara too. Nobody here has a problem with her; why are you trying to invent one? This ain’t the chateau faggot, so stop trying to stink up the site with you size double plus extra retarded ego.

    Chateau Heartiste is the “Myspace” of game blogs; a bunch of white guys training to act like ni66ers…

    (((shakin my head)))

    The internet is a terrible guage to measure anything because the people who comment may be 12 years old? In addition, its full of fraud. Did you know the staff of Craigslist places fake ads to help generate traffic? They monitor what people are searching for and then place fake ads with that content. They got y’all eating your own feces.

    Do try to get out more.

    ————————————————————————–

    Now, where was I?

    Oh yeah; I think the movement should reconsider the concept of “mudshark”; in part because it screams butt hurt and lack of abundance mentality? It kinda reminds me of the Harley Davidson riders who mouth off about “rice burners.” At the end of the day, a motorcycle is a motorcycle; and when you get T-boned by a car at an intersection, your death is not any “cooler” because you died on a Harley…

    Everytime you see a “mudshark”, instead of getting mad at her, you should get mad at all the white guys who:

    didn’t talk to her
    didn’t ask her out
    didn’t date her
    didn’t MARRY her…

    You guys are slippin.

    I know lots of white women like that because they call my black ass up and try to share their pain and hurt with me. Look around? Instead of focusing on the ONE white woman pushing the stroller with the brown baby in it; what about all the white women walking by childless?

    The mudshark meme is a weak tactic because the female sexual selection mechanism is largely a function of PROXIMITY; it always has and always will be. Trying to shame and scare white women away from black cock just makes you look weak and insecure. If you’re a great white shark and you see a female great white shark, and you don’t swim up to talk to her? You can’t get mad when you later see her swimmin around with an orca, or even a penguin…

    Its not her fault. She’s doing exactly what bitches are hardwired to do. Letting yourself get annoyed by it, or worse, running around snapping photos of inter racial couples like “Laguna Bitch saggy tits Fogey” is just creepy and weird; worst of all, it distracts you from that “Jaws Music” which is supposed to be for you?

    If you want something, just get the fuck up and go get it. Stop whining about what the next man got.

  32. The mudshark meme is a weak tactic because the female sexual selection mechanism is largely a function of PROXIMITY; it always has and always will be.

    You’re right about that.

    And the PROXIMITY applies not only to physical location but to socioeconomic class as well – white women still don’t choose any mate who is significantly below them in standard of living and/or social graces. If she’s choosing a mate of low quality it’s probably because her nurturing was also of low quality.

  33. In case I wasn’t clear enough in the post, at no point was the changing of my style in play. I used Sorcerygod’s comment as a launching point to the subject of emotion in writing.

    He’s almost certainly a teenager. He’ll find what works for him.

  34. ” I’ve taken to this blog because PA is very level-headed, mature and always cognizant about the image we ought to project forth if we want the movement to grow. The heavy name calling by people like CH is pretty infantile and suggests a degree of social maladjustment, which is the last thing we need to be associated with.”

    This, from a guy who has made “coon” jokes when the subject of blacks has come up on earlier alt-right sites like GLP and OneSTDV and who clearly should know better. …. Fukin’ unbelievable.

    The goal isn’t to come off as effete or pious; i hear the ‘n’ word daily in my work environment; no, it’s a huge tactical blunder to trade in crude slurs, as its prevents or often outright kills more subtle alliances and coalitions for reasons that are obvious when they arise but that cannot so easily be anticipated; it’s terrible diplomacy…… I think many in the alt-right and other emerging or controversial groups know as much, it’s just that another big reason for such groups are its ‘bonding-and-venting’ aspect and ability to give shelter from p.c. witchhunts —– but when it is engaging with the public and looking to establish its public integrity, that very ‘bonding-and-venting’ service becomes a target on its back…But a bit of tactical diplomacy can go a long way in preventing later headaches.

  35. I am not one for using racial or ethnic slurs, but blacks super sensitivity to them suggests an inferiority complex. Certain groups seem much more sensitive about them than other groups.

  36. This, from a guy who has made “coon” jokes when the subject of blacks has come up on earlier alt-right sites like GLP and OneSTDV and who clearly should know better.

    Oh, please. *** rolls eyes *** The only time I’ve thrown out a slur is in argument with people like Thwack, at a time where it was just two grown men saying (admittedly) excessive things in a semi-private environment like this. I’d prefer to just describe or display behavior and let that speak for itself when it comes to anyone, white or black. And I certainly wouldn’t use “coon,” that’s a pretty passe term in case you didn’t know.

    You just have this tendency to get upset when people say things about black people that you don’t like, possibly for fear that such “essentialization” will lead to you being associated with such behavior yourself. But then you get equally upset when I liken your cultural tastes to the least black man on the planet – Barack Obama. But this is a blog for big people, we’re not wearing kid gloves here and maybe you’re oversensitized to race issues due to what has to be a painfully and oppressively PC work environment that you see every day in public education.

    But anyway, all of that is fine, I welcome the criticism and the moderating voice, and PA must see it similarly since he embraces you being here and engages you regularly.

    For instance, you got your panties all bunched up in a wad when I posted the link about Toure and Souljah Boy in the “Shout out the slave masters” story. But I didn’t use slurs and didn’t need to – that one told its own tale. You (literally) got upset simply because I posted the content and you didn’t like it.

  37. @Camlost,
    B.S., you’re trying to put the ‘effete p.c. snob’ tag on me and that is precisely why I offered my pre-qualifying denial of such intentions.

    As for my “p.c. public education work environment,” please, don’t make me laugh; the daily, hourly crudeness i encounter would be labeled ‘sub p.c.’ in character and ambience. And don’t back-pedal now re. your using slurs that seem like they would come from Bosshog on old “Dukes From Hazzard” episodes; you know damn well that I know that YOU know better, but yet you’ve used stupid slurs here but mainly at earlier blogs we frequented, as we’ve already exchanged gripes on this very topic.

    My only adamant point was the very one YOU made yourself a few comments up: THAT YOU ALIENATE IDEOLOGICAL FENCE SITTERS< UNDECIDES AND OTHER POTENTIAL NEW RECRUITS WHEN YOU TRADE IN CRUDE, LONG-CONTROVERSIAL SLURS!!!

    So thank you for making the point yourself initially this time..

  38. B.S., you’re trying to put the ‘effete p.c. snob’ tag on me and that is precisely why I offered my pre-qualifying denial of such intentions.

    See, there you go getting defensive. You have a habit of jumping to excessive conclusions – all I said it that sometimes you get upset when I post “essentializing” content you don’t like, but that’s far short of calling you a “PC snob” because you wouldn’t have made it this far along participating in alt right bloggerdom if you were one. It’s self selecting – I actually respect you for your strong stomach and endurance.

    As for my “p.c. public education work environment,” please, don’t make me laugh; the daily, hourly crudeness i encounter would be labeled ‘sub p.c.’ in character and ambience.

    Yes, but hearing the n-word from the actual “horse’s mouth” is surely different than the sanitized blank-slaterism that surely emanates from faculty. But correct me if I’m wrong, maybe they’re realistic in smaller groups or private situations but surely not in policy meetings or groups. And BTW, we already know that the n-word is heard frequently amongst “at risk” kids and also that it’s a term of endearment when the “at risk” students say it to each other, you don’t have to keep reminding us. I actually attended 50+% black public schools in the 80’s and 90’s – back before the n-word was actually said in public so shamelessly by the n-words.

    And if you look through your archive you’ll see that you’re confusing me with someone else – I generally take pains to make my “racist” point by other means without actually using slurs, I prefer terms like brothers, Obama supporters or “youths.” It was Thordaddy that was going back and forth with you on all of this “the n-word must acknowledge that he’s the n-word or else he’s an even bigger n-word” type of stuff, not me.

  39. Mudsharking being a function of proximity requires the condition of White men being hog-tied while niggers drift about plugging their spores into White wombs. And yeah, that’s pretty much what we have today.

    And my attitude is that No, Blacks can’t have our trash because that’s just “plan B” for women who’d rather not take care of themselves, and that distorts the market in nasty ways. The untouched low grade White women Thwack talks about got that way through their fault alone. No normal woman suffers for lack of male companionship.

  40. “hearing the n-word from the actual “horse’s mouth” is surely different than the sanitized blank-slaterism that surely emanates from faculty.”

    That’s a myth and I’ve talked about this before: Well, it’s not exactly a myth—– that template p.c./blank-slatism that you refer to.
    Rather, specifically, it’s not so much a fervent and ardent belief held by public school teachers and administrators but rather steadfast and proven tactical language, delineating long-established and opposed blue-vs-red sides on education policy and symbolic language to use when lobbying for next-year’s budget and other self-interested politics that are buoyed by well-worn pieties.

    IWO; teachers sometimes mouth stuff they don’t necessarily ‘believe’ for purely ideological reasons. And before you go raising your finger toward those ‘hypocritical libs,’ tell me GOP and other generally red-pill ideologues and nut-and-barrell-cucks don’t do the same thing.

    Anyhow, that’s a separate issue you’ve touched upon but one i’ve wanted to hold forth on for a while now.

    Still doesn’t shield you blowing smoke non some of your past ‘Deliverance’-style references to making ‘coon jokes’ on Obama’s behalf.

    Just be grateful I don’t recall the specifics, nor have any comments from those blogs in my ‘personal archive.”

    LOL!

  41. PA – I’d have to ague that varying degrees of youthful wiggerness often proceeds mudsharking for a staggering percentage of low class white women who indulge. It doesn’t just spring out of a vacuum and that especially describes the ones who make the bitter mistake of killing their economic future by finding the path of eternal single motherhood (spawning a mulatto child).

    Is there really any benefit in insisting that this is the fault of the mudshark alone? Even if that’s true, someone should have been there smacking her upside the head and monitoring what friendships and entertainment she’s partaking in from birth. The breakdown of Christianity has been damaging in that regard, and entertainment and diversity/multicult thinking has partly filled the void for youth and I’d expect you to agree with that point, at least, since you’re definitely an aficionado of European high culture.

    There’s a reason that upperclass Romney or Clinton daughters don’t go this route, and it’s about education, fatherly behavioral expectations and cultural tastes as much as it is about money or attending the same schools with blacks. Like I’ve always said, anything that relies on women to make the right decision is doomed to failure, doubly so if it’s young women.

    Blacks can’t have our trash because that’s just “plan B” for women who’d rather not take care of themselves, and that distorts the market in nasty ways.

    Well, my biggest gripe is that brothers are running about making these fat white girls think they’re sexy and “thick.” They’re mimicking the Oprah-fied shamelessness of black women in having the nerve to wear tube tops, stretchy pants and strappy sandals that have their fat rolls sticking out like puffy, leavening bread baking in the oven.

  42. PA to Camlost: “Blacks can’t have our trash “

    PA,
    I wonder: when you addressed that statement to Camlost, in your mind were you speaking ‘white man to white man?”

    If the answer is ‘yes,’ that would confirm what I thought and, truth be told, if i were white and I was the one who made the above remark, I think I too would be thinking of him as a ‘white man.’
    Of course, all this goes to show the power of phenotype, as Cam could have up to 50%+ Asian genetic haplotype—- yet as long as he’s got those Ron Howard-like freckles and forelocks, he’s good-to-go for membership in the white club while this dusky mulatto could have more caucasian genes than he..

    Point being, either one of us has an equal chance of sullying the white gene pool, even though only one of us looks much more likely of being capable of such a task.

  43. “Blacks can’t have our trash because that’s just “plan B” for women who’d rather not take care of themselves, and that distorts the market in nasty ways…… my biggest gripe is that brothers are running about making these fat white girls think they’re sexy and “thick.” They’re mimicking the Oprah-fied shamelessness of their fat rolls sticking out like puffy, leavening bread baking in the oven.”

    You guys crack me up in some of your descriptions —– you reach and find a level of illustrative description that, absent this incendiary topic, otherwise fails you! …

  44. in your mind were you speaking ‘white man to white man?”

    I wasn’t concerned with who I was addressing. I was expressing my opinion regardless of audience.

  45. East Asian men have more trouble getting white women than white men do. They don’t pursue white women nearly as aggressively as black men do. In addition, they are seen as responsible fathers. That could be the difference in PA’s feelings.

  46. the most unforgivable sin any artist can make is the one which the young mr. s-o-r-c-e-r-y-g-o-d makes in spades:

    taking oneself too seriously.

  47. Mudsharking being a function of proximity requires the condition of White men being hog-tied while niggers drift about plugging their spores into White wombs. And yeah, that’s pretty much what we have today.

    Yes, exactly. A comment at Radix featured the following image,

    I have written on a similar theme, from a personal perspective, many times. About how the larger conflict plays out in individual lives.

  48. Once lived with a guy from Taiwan. Very sociable, had great creative talents. He did alright. Though responsible fathers could be a bit over-generalized, extrapolated across that spectrum.

  49. “I have written on a similar theme, from a personal perspective, many times. About how the larger conflict plays out in individual lives.”

    I’ve heard you say this before but, yes, I thought you were talking about something different.

    I view what you lament, and what you point out in the white-on-red text above, is a self-annihilating white tendency that is ultimately like Whiggerism: self-destructive and self-denying but ultimately transitory and temporary; i.e., I don’t think the specifically negative aspect continues long into adulthood. Rather, I think what you describe (and what is described above) as a utilitarian manifestation of ‘white guilt’ —– which I believe is misguided but someone expected during any period of intense social change and makeover, as was 60s civil-rights era.

    Yeah, I look at said period as a net positive, while wishing to see the unfortunate ‘over-reactions,’ i.e., p.c. excess, white guilt, etc. as something to even out in due time. While white alt-righters here more likely view Civil Rights period as the source malady to today’s social malaise.

  50. “passing envy.”

    Actually, that’s my existential dread and a fact that makes me think that , in fact, I might be anti-white…… i fear going to bed and waking up and looking like this:

  51. Gladwell is doing that on purpose. If he would just tame that nappy mess down to his massive head he would like less crazy and electrocuted.

  52. But correct me if I’m wrong, maybe they’re realistic in smaller groups or private situations but surely not in policy meetings or groups.

    Actually, I wrote out my reply and public-school-staff defense before I read all of your comment that I based my reply on, specifically overlooking the above quote, which more or less addresses what I needlessly explained, etc…… so, ACC: 1, Big10: 0…….. re. Gladwell. there’s nothing ‘wrong’ with him; it’s just that i’m mixed but don’t like the deeply ambiguous look and i think mixed people who aren’t fundamentally black are more prone to that uncanny valley thing; Gladwell isn’t that; he’s sort-of a mix of Aspie white and black machismo, the resulting effect is unusual but not ‘weird.’

  53. OT, but somewhat related to Gladwell, since he and Nassim Taleb apparently had a lengthy correspondence at some point. Also to emotion and writing. Taleb:

    “…how do you inch closer to an artisan? First, a new definition of an artisan:
    1) does things for existential reasons,
    2) has some type of “art” in his/her profession, stays away from most aspects of industrialization, combines art and business in some manner (his decision-making is never fully economic),
    3) has some soul in his/her work: would not sell something defective or even of compromised quality because what people think of his work matters more than how much he can make out of it,
    4) has sacred taboos, things he would not do even if it markedly increased profitability”

  54. what you point out in the white-on-red text above, is a self-annihilating white tendency that is ultimately like Whiggerism: self-destructive and self-denying but ultimately transitory and temporary; i.e., I don’t think the specifically negative aspect continues long into adulthood.

    It is simply wrong, to suggest that someone’s place on the social hierarchy in adolescence and young adulthood aka high school, has no bearing on subsequent development in life.

    It matters less for those whites who are more successful, and more to those who are less.

    If someone is ok with the present situation, then that measured effect (which measured effect is impossible to measure — i use the word to make the point that the effect is intuitive and undeniable, and hence measured) — then that measured effect is simply how things are and nothing to worry about; the better whites will transcend those problems eventually, and the best whites will hardly be affected by them in the first place.

    If someone is not ok with the present situation, they will consider that measured effect to be a problem.

    I can’t put it any more clearly than that.

  55. “If someone is not ok with the present situation, they will consider that measured effect to be a problem.”

    A lot of young Whites consider that measured effect, of their place on the adolescent hierarchy as adversely affected by macro race trends — to be having an impact on their quality of life; in the moment at least, and the extent in the future if as yet to be determined — all in all, to be significant enough to complain about.

    Any assurances from blacks, that they will grow out of it, will be taken with a grain of salt, to say the least.

  56. I am muddling my terms, in a hurry to get the point across: Measured effect is referring to the subsequent effect on their life, of their present position in the social hierarchy which is adversely influenced by macro race patterns.

    To suggest that there is no such effect, is simply advocating for the present circumstances: “Everything will be ok, you will grow out of it.”

    With all due respect, nikcrit, you are not advocating for white youth. To all appearances you are advocating for the current multi-race living arrangement. This is not news. We are at cross purposes.

    We want the best for the next generation; and part of that entails them having the best during the crucial years of their youth.

  57. It is up to the white people to say whether or not it is a problem, that they want to deal with and “overcome”.

    Hey kids, do you mind playing second fiddle (aka sucking some dick), in high school, knowing that IF you are not a general fuck-up, you will grow out of it, eventually?

  58. Knowing quite a few things about growing plants, i can tell you all that the secret, is that for EVERY DAY, you want the best conditions for em.

    You don’t let the weeds get their energy when they are young, knowing that they can make it through, in spite of that.

  59. All that said. If i had another view no things, perhaps i would say, OTSS bitches!

    If i were to say it, you could consider me a football coach or something. I have your interests at heart, and i don’t want us bogged down with fuck-ups?

    In any case, parents want what is best for their kids. Which is why they move them to white school districts. Those parents are worried that the multi-race environment will adversely affect their children.

  60. I enjoy it just the way it is. There is great emotion in what is left unsaid, in the ‘spaces in between,’ if you know where and how to look for it. Hope you don’t become a drama queen chimping out all over the place. Leave that to the chicks and chimps.

  61. If he enjoys things the way they are, then why does he read things … and complain about the way they are?

    Such an obvious contradiction.

    I suggest it is an egotistical showcase.

    Not that my ego doesn’t play into things.

    For example, who has more jokes, and more to the point, more substantive thoughts, on this blog, Suburban_elk or LBF?

    If my previous posts fall flat, then refute them.

    LBF openly advocates for killing people, and war. Give me a break. Any talking that, is full of shit.

  62. I notice that no one called him on his statement, that he looked forward to the day that he could kill people like that. People like that, being a half-Paki half-White, supporter of white advocacy.

    Without retrieving the exact quote, that is a close enough paraphrase.

    I half-way called him on it. I said that that is not a selling point.

    It is an indictment of this blog, that no one – except me – called him on that. It indicates that either that is an agreeable position, or that the other people are intimidated by him; or perhaps that they don’t give enough of a shit about opinion on things.

    Which is it?

    There is talk on just this thread, about this blog being serious in its tone. If it is serious in its tone, and no one calls statements such as that — than the last interpretation offered above is off the table: and either such an asinine statement is in agreement with the members here; or people are intimidated by the guy; or they just don’t want to bother with him anyways.

    Which is it?

  63. Realistically, if you want to talk about killing people who do nothing against you except are only half-white.

    That is a STATED position that gets no rebuke but a half-way one in the form of a joke, from Suburban_elk.

    Talk to me about seriousness.

  64. My position is that i do NOT want to kill people whose only offense is that they are half-white.

    The more i think about it, it’s like what the fuck.

    I come into agreement with the critics of this blog, and of the alternative right in general.

    Talk about a wasteland, when a well-known voice gets away with that, and this is supposed to be serious advocacy here?

    Kids, you don’t need to tell me about the realities of violence. That’s not my point. The point is that such calls are misplaced, and it that is not made clear, than what’s the deal.

    Are such calls NOT misplaced, then? If that is a misunderstanding, on my part, and that such calls are what this is about, then by all means i relinquish to their voice.

  65. People have different tastes for interpersonal drama.

    But are not these my arguments fairly reasoned and on a point?

    That is cool, i will drop it. The contradictions i point out stand, however; unless i see a damn good refutation; and good luck with it.

  66. I’ll say two things…

    For LBF, this is entirely within character.

    Secondly, you must reassess your own notion of “measured effect” and then make illegitimate LBF’s desire?

  67. The criticism that my style tends toward drama was obviously correct. Whatever, who cares. I don’t disregard those criticisms, and if they are meant well, then great.

    The topic of personalities that are drawn toward drama, and that re-create their own problems, could be elaborated on, but now is not the time.

    ***********************

    The original point that i was addressing, and that aroused LBF’s pithy disregard, though, is a good one, and worth the time.

    I am not bitching or complaining about it, and neither is my position on how sheltered our kids should be, stated.

    However, if we are looking for white living space, then that position is implicit! and i specifically can not be criticized for making its case.

    To repeat its classic example, of white families, and most especially white moms, moving their kids to white school districts, in order to protect their children.

    Well that EXACT SAME TOPIC is the theme posted image — but instead of being stated from the perspective of the moms, it is from the perspective of the kids themselves.

    So whatever. If the concern is stated by the moms, we take it seriously; and if is stated by the young adults, we mock them.

    In a way that makes sense, because if they are young adults, then part of their growing up, is to mock them for their weakness.

  68. “I notice that no one called him on his statement, that he looked forward to the day that he could kill people like that. People like that, being a half-Paki half-White, supporter of white advocacy.”

    We all know of course that he has ‘the right ‘ to his controversial thoughts; I too took note of it and felt a passing urge to ‘call him out’ on it but then figured ‘why bother,’ as I’m pretty sure it’s known we disagree on a lot of issues.

    Still, I commend you for going before your fellow commenters and registering some dissent from the act. It amazes me that some people don’t see the irony of how it appears to indulge violence fantasies under the guise of a self-fantasizing avatar.

    If I was or if I ever run my own blog, I’m pretty certain I would ban racial epithets and personal violence fantasies by commenters; I’m confident my reasons are principled and free of moral vanity.

  69. Secondly, you must reassess your own notion of “measured effect” and then make illegitimate LBF’s desire?

    I am not sure i follow this.

    My notion of Measured Effect, in the context above, is simply stated with the analogy of growing plants.

    A plant that is not taken care of, does not get as big. The measured effect of that plant’s less-than-ideal growing conditions, is how short it comes up.

    If that plant was neglected and will not produce, at some point it is destroyed. Do we do that with suffering young adults then, is that your point?

    The original hypothetical target of destruction was not a suffering white young adult, it was a half-caste, so perhaps this analysis does not cover it.

  70. “Realistically, if you want to talk about killing people who do nothing against you except are only half-white……That is a STATED position that gets no rebuke but a half-way one in the form of a joke, from Suburban_elk……Talk to me about seriousness.”

    Not so much here, but there are many places in the alt-right blogosphere that consider ethno-racial composition alone and in and of itself grounds for execution; writ large, such ethos lays the philosophical groundwork for ethnic cleansing…..IDK, I think I’m sincere in my belief that 21st-century communications technology makes it feasible and requisite that those of deeply opposing ideological bents can communicate and possibly even up-the-comprehension levels of each others ideas and dispositions. But if there’s any one issue that gives me pause or is capable of summoning in me a trickle of fear of my identity being unveiled, it’s stuff like this… (knowing whether to take it seriously or not is not a vantage point privy to newcomers to a given blog. And even then, given the anonymity in general, it’s ultimately a crap shoot.

  71. “The more i think about it, it’s like what the fuck.

    I come into agreement with the critics of this blog, and of the alternative right in general.

    Talk about a wasteland, when a well-known voice gets away with that, and this is supposed to be serious advocacy here?”

    This is a problem at partisan blogs,period; don’t matter if they’re left or right.

    it’s the nature of a budding movement: on the macro level, they’re trying to gain legitimacy; they academically and rhetorically challenge the prevailing orthodoxy of a given issue, then slowly supplant it by taking over the very platforms the current orthodoxy now rests upon.

    But budding movements also service a micro mission: a clubhouse to bond-and-vent and break the conventions and taboos and other strictures that are a result of the status-quo and its resulting groupthink.

    So you get these egocentric derring-do bad boys, who indulge the transgressive frisson and do stuff like threaten to “kill niggers” and “rape dykes,’ or whatever else avataristic bad boys do. The irony is the fact that, beyond sabotaging any genuine political power and capital their movement might be worthy of being granted, the fact that they do all that anonymously negates all the subversion in place of a rote and predictable cowardice.

    These types are all over the internet; they’re the political dissident equivalents of parlor pinks: rather, they’re “parlor fascists.”

  72. Elk…

    I took away from your “measured effect” the voice of the very disaffected. That one of these disaffected voices seems to advocate for unjust killing is rather unsurprising. But your real compliant, IMHO, isn’t the killing per se, but the apparent illegitimacy of such homicidal desire. Yet, this just goes back to the idea that you register no “measured effect” because you are not at all that disaffected with the way things are.

  73. I’ve stated before that the zeitgeist leaves only two options… Separation or annihilation. And although it’s rather simple to conceive of being annihilated by the enemy, it is infinitely more difficult to conceive which enemies are to be eradicated when a clean separation is violently opposed.

  74. Radical autonomy = nonfreedom…

    Just reading the summary, the techno-logical bluff just must be the fallacious lies of the high IQ set essentially selling a “technology” that advances human freedom beyond all comprehension while vehemently denying that The Perfect Man is that very “technology” to advance human freedom beyond all comprehension.

    In other words, our high IQ set is selling “advanced” technology so as to rob “us” of our maximized human freedom… Er, using “technology” to deny the legitimacy of striving towards Supremacy.

    Such a predictament inevitably leads to a self-annihilation.

    And this is exactly where “we” are at… High IQ “white” self-annihilators selling suicidal “technology” to the white masses.

  75. thordaddy, you put too much stock into “IQ.” This is a modern construction. Run with the ancients and you stay bulletproof, body and soul, no fail.

  76. EPG…

    What you mean is that I’m attempting to take from the high IQ “white” male class what they don’t deserve… The Keys to the Kingdom.

    There has been a massive intelligence failure, liberally-speaking. In absolute terms, our MOST INTELLIGENT “white” males have massively failed to deliver what is personally obligated due their high intelligence.

    It’s so bad that to be a high IQ “white” male (>140) is to be a pathologically deracinated self-annihilator… Anti-white Supremacist… And fiend for radical autonomy.

  77. If you believe there to be an existential crisis THEN high IQ “white” males just must be the most accountable. Logic dictates.

    BUT…

    Because they are so “bright,” most still remain ignorantly immersed in their “creative” narrating of reality.

  78. “The Keys to the Kingdom…” There are seven of them, each one currently bent up and degraded.

  79. The eminent question facing the genuine wS is whether to fight his enemy using “any means necessary” THUS legitimating “universal equality” and perhaps falsifying wS. The fact of the matter is when you combat radical autonomy with radical autonomy, egalitarianism rules the day.

  80. it’s the nature of a budding movement: on the macro level, they’re trying to gain legitimacy; they academically and rhetorically challenge the prevailing orthodoxy of a given issue, then slowly supplant it by taking over the very platforms the current orthodoxy now rests upon.

    OK agreed but let me take you to task for a sec:
    What are some pragmatic solutions for dealing with the black underclass so they aren’t terrorizing our cities the way they have been since the civil rights movement? I mean, just wander over to stuffblackpeopledontlike and you will see people just boiling over with rage with whats going on. And I don’t blame them.

    I’ve tried to engage you on this topic before, but you seem more interested in mudsharking and pie in the sky racial eschatology.

    BTW – thanks for the insurance tip – I went through a broker and found a much better premium.

    Cam – the other reason car insurance is so high in Michigan is because they have this stupid Personal Injury Protection law, which mandates insurance companies to dole out lifetime payouts for medical care related to car accidents. It sounds good on paper but in reality leads to all manner of fraud and abuse. basically getting in a fender bender in the wal mart parking lot can amount to winning the “trailer park lotto.” Find the right doctor for you intractable neck pain and he can set you up with a steady supply of oxycontin and can fill out all the right forms to get you set up with SSI… There’s a whole industry of lawyers that facilitate this. See the commercial below:

  81. What are some pragmatic solutions for dealing with the black underclass so they aren’t terrorizing our cities the way they have been since the civil rights movement? I mean, just wander over to stuffblackpeopledontlike and you will see people just boiling over with rage with whats going on. And I don’t blame them.

    In addressing this question, let us keep in mind “pragmatic” which sort of excludes separate race-based ethnostates.

    The two or three ideas i would suggest.

    First, and most appealing to simple-minded white racists, which includes most of the alt-right though they of course don’t like to think of themselves as such. A stable race hierarchy in which the race on top is not abusive toward those below it. The practical problem is that the talented members of the lower-placed races get screwed; and their talent is lost (at least to those above them); and it is simply unfair to them.

    Second. More and more strict controls on people. No more anarcho-tyranny, and in its place tyranny.

    Third. I don’t know what else to suggest.

    Tyranny in service of law and order will not work, not simply because the government is in the hands of anti-whites, but also because the government’s power is fading out, with the decay of the techno-structure that is the basis of its economy and power. The military is the basis of its power, but that too is connected with the techno-structure.

    So for the third idea, this is what will work, and is practical. And it is simple, and it is obvious, and this is the idea that the alt-right can get behind and espouse — though they will have to be very careful in its presentation. Whites have to fight their way back to respect.

    Whites have to take back the streets that they have lost. They are not able to do it right now, because they have the good excuse that it is not to their advantage to fight back, at this point, or so it seems. The pros and cons of fighting it out, for them, represent somehow, a trap. If they fight now, they lose. If they don’t fight now, are the odds to their favor increased in the future or are they decreased?

    That is the only advice that i can come up with. What other advice is going around, Vote and Trump and hope for the best? Meh.

  82. In order to fight back, whites have to cohere their collective identity. I don’t know that voting for Trump does that or not.

    White Identity is inevitable, but the political process cannot deliver it.

    The problems that we face have to do with the scale of our society. We can’t have effective (collective) identity when society is at this scale. Trump won’t descale it. He doesn’t think like that at all. Trump is rah rah progress.

    The vote for Trump is a practical measure in terms of the wall, and the economy for hapless Americans. But as for whites, they are on their own.

  83. Speaking of SBPDL, one of the stories that might (or might not) be featured there, is how a 54 year old man – who hasn’t to my been identified as white but of course he is – said “Really?” to two blacks as they dumped some trash from their car onto the street at a gas station when the container was right there, and they proceeded to beat his head in. He had traumatic head injuries though he has been released from the hospital.

    But the fucking killing detail to this story, which is St Paul MN, is that the police only released the very clear service station video image of one of the perps, after something like 5 days, and during which he had been at large the entire time. They would have had that video within hours, and then they did not release it, for pc reasons? What. the. Fuck.

    St Paul, in case anyone cares, is full of these worst types of stories. It is a rash there, especially. Heads getting based in all the time. Teachers, kids. The blacks there have a special hatred. Or maybe it is just typical.

  84. The other comment i have is on the Milo presentation at DuPaul university, to which there is a link on this thread, i think.

    What’s the deal with the dancing black girl. It is unclear to me that she strikes him or not, but she puts her butt in his face and waves it at him, and not in a nice way. To which Milo somewhat brilliantly takes himself into the crowd. Huge symbolic and actual winning move, that.

    But the level of debate, is them dancing at him, and him insulting their clothes and pointing out his own superior shoes that they “can’t afford”.

  85. But the black woman’s attitude in the DuPaul University BLM and Milo debate, or whatever exactly it was, is every bit the problem.

    She doesn’t get what she wants, so that is what she does. It is pretty crazy stuff. Frustrating to watch, sad and ugly. What was the deal with the black pacing in front of Milo while he was on stage, was he supposed to be Milo’s bodyguard?

    But white people are very angry. It is in insane situation and it can’t continue. The example above from the life-threatening felony assault in St Paul, of the police not releasing the identifying picture. For the record, that detail is fairly speculative, and picked up in a local comments thread.

  86. I was initially intending to re-emphasize my point ‘of contention’ from upthread, about how the current race situation, the extant race hierarchy, plays out in individual lives and has an effect on those individual lives; not because that idea needs to be gone over a third time, but rather because that idea is simply the basic premise of politics. It is the idea that the personal is political.

    I have made this point many times – and taken heat for it before too.

    White people are unable to admit the problems that the current race situation causes them personally, because that indicates that they are not Donald Trump. And those same white people don’t want to be reminded of others’ suffering. To which i say strongly, grow the fuck up. Unbelievable really … except not.

    It’s really NOT unbelievable, that white people are unable to acknowledge their situation, because they are as children. And i don’t say that as a cheap shot at anybody particular – it’s not a cheap shot, it’s the truth. White people have suffered some sort of developmental retardation where they can’t care for themselves. And now they can’t even talk about their situation with a sympathetic perspective, on their own boards, without being told to shut up.

    Hahaha. It is a good thing you have me to point this out.

  87. But the black woman’s attitude in the DuPaul University BLM and Milo debate, or whatever exactly it was, is every bit the problem.

    She doesn’t get what she wants, so that is what she does. It is pretty crazy stuff. Frustrating to watch, sad and ugly. What was the deal with the black pacing in front of Milo while he was on stage, was he supposed to be Milo’s bodyguard?

    She won’t pay any price for that, even though Milo had to pay $1000 for security (which stood by and did nothing).

    Similar to that episode in California we discussed recently where the black female had a problem with the dreadlocks of the white kid due to “cultural appropriation.” She was pretty blatantly and provocatively putting her hands on the white kid with the same sort of disregard for his personal space.

    But all the MSM could muse on was whether or not it’s “OK” for whites to wear dreadlocks and whether or not his act truly qualifies as “cultural appropriation” – with the subtle intimation that it would be ok to assault him if he “had it coming” for committing that great sin. Not a single media outlet portrayed it as an attack, they were too busy debating the merits of her accusation:

    http://www.jewishpress.com/multimedia/video-picks/can-cory-goldstein-wear-dreadlocks-sfsu-employee-cries-cultural-appropriation/2016/04/03/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/31/can-a-white-guy-have-dreadlocks-this-puzzling-viral-video-wades-into-the-politics-of-black-hair/

    http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/dreadlocks-cultural-appropriation-row-intensifies-as-students-come-forward-to-provide-more-context-a6963251.html

  88. What’s the deal with the dancing black girl. It is unclear to me that she strikes him or not, but she puts her butt in his face and waves it at him, and not in a nice way. To which Milo somewhat brilliantly takes himself into the crowd. Huge symbolic and actual winning move, that.

    And it’s funny because the Washington DC police recently arrested 2 black females for “sexual assault” for jokingly twerking, groping and grinding on a black male customer they didn’t know in a gas station:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/police-arrest-woman-wanted-forcibly-twerking-man-article-1.2431793

    So, the point is that University, the MSM and Big City Law Enforcement thinks it’s ok to assault and physically menace the white guy with impunity if he may have the wrong kind of political views like Milo or the Dreadlocks kid, but this fairly innocuous episode is a “sexual assault” of such magnitude that huge police resources were spent finding the perps?:

  89. The head of Georgia’s black GOP says some interesting things about Donald Trump and predicts that he could get up to 20% of the black vote nationally:

    http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/05/28/a-bar-bet-on-donald-trumps-appeal-to-african-americans/?ref=cbTopWidget

    “Donald Trump does not propose to heal the racial divide,” Smith said. ”That is a liberal proposition. Liberals are always talking about healing the racial divide. Conservatives legislate to affect behavior. We don’t legislate to affect the healing of somebody’s heart. Or changing people’s minds.”

    So what will make the GOP nominee-to-be attractive to black voters? “Trump’s platform position on making sure Americans are considered first,” Smith answered. Tightened immigration, plus an economic boom.

    “Trump is saying, ‘I want to make it easier for you, because you will have to compete less with other people,’” Smith said. ”That is a better solution than what the Democratic party left tends to propose.”

    Smith doesn’t begrudge Donald Trump’s appeal to whites. ”We beat down white people. We‘ve beat down the idea of being a proud American. We’ve beat it down and we’ve disparaged it. Those people, they have fears and concerns, too,” he said. “And those people deserve an advocate.”

  90. In order to fight back, whites have to cohere their collective identity.

    I agree. We currently do not have the language to articulate our identity and advocate for our self preservation in the face of an orchestrated effort to diminish our influence. Merely pointing out reality is tantamount to heresy these days.

    White Identity is inevitable, but the political process cannot deliver it.

    Reactionaryfuture in a recent post (can’t recall which one) contends that development of a white identity will inevitably provoke a violent backlash from the powers that be aka Cathedral.

    St Paul, in case anyone cares, is full of these worst types of stories. It is a rash there, especially. Heads getting based in all the time. Teachers, kids. The blacks there have a special hatred. Or maybe it is just typical.

    It’s typical.

    Google “Jody Patzner Minneapolis,” but only if you are in a sour mood. Otherwise it will ruin your day. Shot in cold blood for a bike while he was delivering lasagna to a sick neighbor. There was 3 witnesses to his murder, there was an arrest, but ultimately no one snitched so the killer walks free to this day.

    “We’re moving,” Hesser said. “I’m getting out of Minneapolis. When you can’t leave one block from your own house, that’s ridiculous.”

    You know the story of North Minneapolis. It was a nice neighborhood until the Section 8 vouchers started rolling in.

    But white people are very angry.

    Yes, and the cathedral is trying to silence our anger because they are afraid of their narrative collapse. But in the long run that is a dangerous strategy. The anger bubbles under the surface and has the potential to boil over.

    I say, let it all out. Stop coddling blacks, making them perpetual helpless victims. They shouldn’t be sheltered from what we are really feeling, from OUR anger. Rub their noses in it like they have been doing to us for years. A little shaming can go a long way.

  91. But all the MSM could muse on was whether or not it’s “OK” for whites to wear dreadlocks and whether or not his act truly qualifies as “cultural appropriation” – with the subtle intimation that it would be ok to assault him if he “had it coming” for committing that great sin. Not a single media outlet portrayed it as an attack, they were too busy debating the merits of her accusation:

    Of course. They are doing what they always do, practicing advocacy journalism in favor of their pet minority.

    The question is: Why? On an earlier thread, you said it is “man bites dog” but I think there is more to it than that.

  92. One cannot have a COLLECTIVE identity that does not then coalesce around a single belief.

    And for the regenerate-minded, forward-looking, upwards-gazing white male of the last 1500 years, that BELIEF was in The Perfect Man… He who makes the claim of “universal equality” UNTRUE… He who tenders redundant phenomena AS THE EFFECT of a Singularity.

    Now “white man” has no such collective belief…

    AND SO there will be NO collective “white” identity.

    It’s radical autonomy or wS for each and every self-identified white male.

  93. @MGE,
    I truly don’t know the answer to the question you ask above in a joking, rhetorical tone; my hunch is that the answer is ‘gang wars,’ as Chicago’s gang situation is more contentious and possibly even larger than what it is in NYC.(o course, as Cam, countless others and one of my professors from when I was in grad school pointed out, it can’t be gangs causing all that homicidal mayhem, because why would those fellas get violent over drug profits and turf since those employed by the drug trade barely earn minimum-wage incomes. There’s simply NOTHING to fight over).

  94. o course, as Cam, countless others and one of my professors from when I was in grad school pointed out, it can’t be gangs causing all that homicidal mayhem, because why would those fellas get violent over drug profits and turf since those employed by the drug trade barely earn minimum-wage incomes

    LOL. I knew we weren’t finished with this yet.

    Look, I’m gonna put it this way – if street-level drug dealing made that much money, then whites or other, brighter and less impulsive folks would be doing it, and doing it better. Just think of what would happen if the national fast food wage was actually raised to $15 per hour – none of the screwups currently ruining your drive thru order would be there any longer, they’d be outclassed by better workers. And there’s a low point of entry that keeps prices under control – if some young dealer is making money what’s to stop the hoodies from 2 blocks over from making their grand entrance into the business, too?

    But yes, street-level dealing can make many, many multiples of the minimum wage. But that’s still not “a lot” of money by my standards. Does it really take a DEA expert to figure out that corner drug dealing obviously isn’t a complicated business proposition like investment banking if these completely inept, low IQ teens are able to set up shop? During my own time partying with a wide range of people the dealers I’ve known with the most money are on the nightspot scene moving the $ high dollar, high margin designer drugs like Coke or Molly, they regard the lower stuff with complete disdain.

    I don’t care what you say, Trickin’ – nobody gets rich off standing on a street corner selling $10 rocks to crackheads who have to rob a bodega or steal money out of their grandma’s purse to get their next 20-minute fix. Just because some young dealer gets arrested with $6k in his pocket it doesn’t mean he’s “rich” – after he sells inventory he’s got to got pay off his creditors and also re-up for another round of product and that isn’t cheap.

    Trafficking and high-level distribution is waaaay different, it’s the domain of brighter, more organized people and it means you’re higher up the pyramid, taking less exposure/risk and keeping more margin.

  95. So you deny the nigger’s penchant to kill for “nothing?”

    We’ve discussed this at length. No, I don’t deny it but i don’t personally see it. The ‘kill for nothing’ subset you decry makes me summon scum like the murderer of Logan Tipton and others of that ilk.

    I don’t see that in my personal life; perhaps i’ve dealt with some of that bent before they tipped fully into the dark side but i’ve yet to hear about a formr student or student associate, as i’m not a teacher per se, who took a nihilistically violent for-no-reason path.

    If i did encounter it, i would decry it and criticize it without sociological cant —— whether before those sympathetic to my politics or before those who’d wish me nothing but ill will.

    Now please be mindful of what i said today or in many earlier exchanges if you’re going to over some more cryptic criticism.

  96. PA – I’ve decided that another symptom of Williams Syndrome is the complete inability to refuse to “take the bait” – our two sufferers from that region comment here the most but seem to always lose sight of the fact that the Internet is just one big trash heap for fanciful comments of various degrees of feasibility or usefulness.

  97. “Trafficking and high-level distribution is waaaay different, it’s the domain of brighter, more organized people “

    Ahhhh, you might be very surprised at how ‘street’ or ‘low IQ’ are some of trafficking figures higher up the food chain.
    I had a public role and image that suggested that i was a music-industry figure of some renown in the rap world —— so, a lot of these ‘workers’ and ‘distributors’ accorded me a status and access that i really didn’t merit, though their youth and relative ignorance didn’t kknow as much, etc….. So the point i’m making is I saw a lot of relatively private and insider stuff re. that world; much more than i would’ve if left solely to my truly nerdily indifferent world. (i.e., because i was a pop writer who had access with names and figures those kids cared about, they in their relative ignorance would accord me a status equivalent to that of a small-time David Geffen or something, which is of course absolutely absurd, etc.).

    But through that lopsided granting of deference, I saw a lot of that world than i otherwise would’ve, etc……. Look, let’s call a truce on this one; what you say and exemplify in your last comment is true enough in theory; i’m sure actual cases exist…. but you guys are way, way, way off about the profit margins and evident realities of urban contraband; for one, all those inner-city curbside crack ‘ho follies are true but there are also teenagers driving to the ‘burbs in rental cars and dropping of their product as well on a routine basis, as we speak in fact.

    Truce, Mr. D.E.A.?

  98. i’m sure actual cases exist…. but you guys are way, way, way off about the profit margins and evident realities of urban contraband; for one, all those inner-city curbside crack ‘ho follies are true but there are also teenagers driving to the ‘burbs in rental cars and dropping of their product as well on a routine basis, as we speak in fact.

    Well, yes I see the validity of your point. And the margins are certainly there, but the question is whether a rank-and-file dealer generally has the impulsive control to stay in the trade long enough to build true wealth. Those you mentioned who are crafty enough to branch out into safer, higher $$ return markets in the suburbs probably represent the higher IQ stratum of the bunch – they’ve got to have the personality and social ease necessary to make many different social groups feel comfortable doing business with them.

    Anywhere that drugs are legal or semi-legal (Panama, Amsterdam, etc.) the prices fall precipitously. Hell, even McDonald’s only makes maybe 30 to 60 cents per customer after all overhead, they’re just a big brand with billions of advertising budget hoping to cajole you into buying the one thing that they can actually make money on – the beverages. (thus they always want to sell you a combo to capture that value)

    Are we going to argue about the black folks living in the mountains thing now, or what? You’re still heated over that one after all these years, I’ll wager. lol

  99. Nikcrit that economist did actual quanitative research. What you have are case studies. Unless you have some actual numbers to back up your claim, all you have is a plurality of anecdote, which is not data.

    Btw white people should not wear dreds for the simple reason that they look and smell like shit.

  100. Btw white people should not wear dreds for the simple reason that they look and smell like shit.

    My same feelings on white women who put in braids, makes my stomach turn. No excuse for it, unless she’s in a commercial for Sandals Carribean resorts. Don’t they know that braids are for women who have shitty natural hair?

  101. Nikcrit…

    But you not PERSONALLY experiencing these violent savages says NOTHING as to how the rest of “us” perceive this COLLECTIVE called “niggers” and HOW a UNIFORMLY truthful perception works to solidify a COLLECTIVE white identity.

  102. W Kamau Bell goes all the way to Portland just to babble on and on about how there’s no black people there (as if we didn’t know):

    … and of course he finds such a demographic “problematic,” but then goes on to note the relative prosperity and peacefulness of the city, without venturing into why that might be.

    Of note, Kamau Bell is married to a white woman. I wonder what kind of masochism is involved in that relationship, with this guy finds who finds white people so problematic yet is married to one.

    That entire series is just more Cathedral propaganda along the lines of “White People Bad. Diversity Good.”

  103. complete inability to refuse to “take the bait”

    He isn’t taking my bait, which actually really isn’t bait. It’s a sincere question:

    What is to be done about the disproportionate violence that “afflicts” the black underclass.

    What do you say to the white people who have been pushed out of their homes or have been personally affected by this violence? Why should we have to live like this? Is that a legitimate reason for separation?

    He won’t go near those questions.

  104. Another day, another DPS scandal. This one costing the taxpayers $1.3 million.

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/05/23/detroit-public-schools-corruption-tutoring-scam/84787254/

    The blacks in this city are constantly pissing and moaning about “tha man” taking over their school district, but left to their own devices, they seem to care not a lick for actually educating the kids they hold out as hostage to get more “fundings and programs and sheeit”

  105. “our two sufferers from that region comment here the most but seem to always lose sight of the fact that the Internet is just one big trash heap for fanciful comments of various degrees of feasibility or usefulness.”

    True. But only to the extent that one wants that to be true. IOW: You and those engage you can set the tone for commentary quality.

    Simple enough fact for us simple folk up heah’ in “William’s Syndrome” country!

  106. MGE: “What is to be done about the disproportionate violence that “afflicts” the black underclass……What do you say to the white people who have been pushed out of their homes or have been personally affected by this violence? Why should we have to live like this? Is that a legitimate reason for separation?……He won’t go near those questions.”

    Why are you being so symbolically contrary and accusatory toward me in recent months? I’m the same person I’ve always been; and I’ve always been forthcoming toward the questions you now re-ask….

    What’s to be done? HTF should I know? All I can do is do my part: i’m a biracial male who’s lived in both integrated and segregated, white and black, neighborhoods. Currently, I live in a neighborhood that’s about 60% NAM and work in an environment that is about 85% NAM.

    I’ve asked and initiated many of the questions you now ask me here in a petulant context; get radicalized all you want but please don’t revise your blogging history and interactions for your own selfish reasons. I am not a black apologist, which is the tone or at least insinuation you suggest when addressing me on matters you have doubts about.

    But to answer your question the best I can: Since i don’t conceive of one, big ready-to-wear solution, i can only offer a piecemeal approach as to ‘what can we do about it?’

    Vocational-tech curriculum; basic classes that cover basic ‘personal-living tasks’ and day-to-day situations, (e.g., how to: talk to a social worker; deal with utitility service collectors; conduct yourself to the police, stay in touch with your P.O., and other basic-life tasks which, when left unattended for a short time, tend to blow up and into much, much bigger problems.

    Meanwhile, on a more meta level, legislate public-aid initiatives that do not foster their perpetuation: push birth control, add strictures to public aid and assistance —— in short, take steps to NUMERICALLY LIMIT the net number of people living of the national social-safety net. Yes, it’s possible to enact a kind and friendly form or class-population genetics through such measures.

    I’ve never claimed to have some big, single answer to disproportionate NAM dysfunction and all that leads to in terms of metrics. Still, I love that part of my heritage without apology or evasion.

    For that reason, I want to change those squalid facts as much as you do.

  107. “Is that a legitimate reason for separation?”

    As for this issue specifically? As i’ve always said: “Go for it —– but be careful what you wish for.”
    I see valid arguments coming from both white separatists and black separatists; however, i do think there are a lot of false and easy assumptions: for instance, i don’t think whites would go en masse for such a measure that a lot of race realists just simply assume; also, along those same lines, i don’t think it would be a split nation, but rather an annexing like some of the ruby ridge types would predicate; say, a few states in the Northwest…..IDK, I think out of the fallout there’d be some place for me and mine —– call it the Mutt Prarie; me and mine too have gripes to politicize and whine about, dammit! (Now get me my musket and my wilderness backpack!)

  108. “Nikcrit that economist did actual quanitative research.”

    Leavit has walked back his initial narrative —– htat chi s.side dealers make minimum wage —– big time since the shite hit the fan. He never expected that bit of book-sales-minded wind to pick up the way it did.

  109. PA-
    And my attitude is that No, Blacks can’t have our trash because that’s just “plan B” for women who’d rather not take care of themselves, and that distorts the market in nasty ways. The untouched low grade White women Thwack talks about got that way through their fault alone. No normal woman suffers for lack of male companionship.
    ——————–

    Should white women whom you regard as “trash” respect your opinion?

    Indeed, while you are correct regarding “No normal woman suffers for lack of male companionship”; what they do lack is QUALITY male companionship, as evidenced by this blog even? YOU want to limit white womens options so they are forced to choose punks and faggots like “Laguna bitch tits…”

    Sorry bro, but it ain’t happenin. Its too late for you to put the shit back in the horse. The “market” won’t be distorted, that IS the market; and you just got bitch slapped by the invisible hand (Adam Smith Rape!)

    Face it PA, at the end of the day, you don’t really know what women find attractive because….

    Exactly,

    You’re not a FEMALE.
    For all your white puffery and boosterism, it may come down to SEXUAL bio-chemical self organizing processes at the molecular level that no one understands?

    or just a big dick?

    Your shame farming limits no one but yourself; must suck to be you?

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    nikcrit |
    I view what you lament, and what you point out in the white-on-red text above, is a self-annihilating white tendency that is ultimately like Whiggerism: self-destructive and self-denying but ultimately transitory and temporary; i.e., I don’t think the specifically bla bla bla fukcin bla….
    ————————-

    Why the fuck does everybody try to make excuses for white failure? When blacks fail y’all have no problem blaming our inferior subhuman genetics…. but when whites fail, you generate a two mile long train load of sophisticated, complex excuses designed to strip away the white mans agency?

    Why you lyin?

    Im not givin the white man no statue; Im givin him guts; and jabs, and left hooks, and kidney punches… why should he have it easier than me?
    Fuck him; and everybody that looks like him.
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    thordaddy |
    EPG…
    What you mean is that I’m attempting to take from the high IQ “white” male class what they don’t deserve… The Keys to the Kingdom.
    —————–

    Thordaddy reminds me a Professor Andrew Fraser; he can’t get no love from his own people despite his brilliant descriptions and explicators…
    ———————————————————————————-

    MGE |
    Of note, Kamau Bell is married to a white woman. I wonder what kind of masochism is involved in that relationship, with this guy finds who finds white people so problematic yet is married to one.
    ——————–

    Oh thats easy; we tell ourselves we were lucky enough to get the ONLY good white woman; “all white people should be killed! Except for “Becky”, she’s different…
    There is also a type of white woman who is turned on by the prospect of “taming the beast”; “yeah, he says he hates white people but thats cause he ain’t met me and my platinum pussy…” What is the name of that fairy tale character that could talk to the animals?
    Its kinda like that.

    Tarzan does it too. Theres a lion charging the “Great White Hunter” who is rasing his gun to shoot when Tarzan pushes his gun out the way, steps in front and says: “unk, nakima, bomongani! and the lion either stops and sits down, or turns around and walks away…

    To sum up, if you are a salmon that can date a grizzly bear?

    You must be a bad bitch to be around him all covered in honey but he doesn’t eat you? Nicole Simpson found out the hard way; OJ was her pet wolf she treated like a German Shepherd
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    Lara |
    I am not one for using racial or ethnic slurs, but blacks super sensitivity to them suggests an inferiority complex.
    ——–
    Nawh,

    It just depends how good you are at it. Part of the reason CH banned me was because my white racial slurs were drawing blood and demoralizing readers. I didn’t start it, I was just playing the game like everyone else. To the contrary, white people can get very upset when you know where to “punch” them. At the Chateau they got so upset they called ME racist and accused me of making EVERYTHING about race?

    Yeah, hilarious isn’t it?

    I’ll share my name calling theory with you guys that stems from biblical interpretations of Genesis. Mans first “assignment” was NOT learning how to make fire, or how to jack off, it was NAMING THE ANIMALS. The act of naming something implies dominion over it; its kinda like a type of sorcery because its connected to the eternal logos thru WORDS. This is why people get so upset when you call them “out of their name”; even when no one else is around?

    It works too.

    For example, calling black people “negroes” instead of “African Americans” is a technique racists use to strip them of their geographical origins and make them into NOT a person, but a “thing”; a thing with no history, no origin…

    Same thing with the term “rain forest”

    What?

    Thats the fuckin JUNGLE.

    But white people don’t like the “jungle” cause the jungle is scary… so they changed the name to “rain forest”; now the white people want to save it; who the fuck wants to “save the jungle?” Thats where ni66ers and viet cong live?
    And friggin zeeka virus, ebola and other shit I can’t pronounce…

    Name calling is a type of sorcery; I hope all you pinksters get it?
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    Camlost
    Well, my biggest gripe is that brothers are running about making these fat white girls think they’re sexy and “thick.”
    —————————–

    Yeah man its called GAME. We’ll say anything for a piece of ass even if its not true. Ni66as is guilty as charged. No shame in my game, (I fucked some fat white girls (with big tits)
    Besides Cam, this very quality that annoys you may be the only reason YOU exist?

    take a trip to the museum of Natural History; lots of hominids CAME and went?

    Do you ever think about when you OUTTA HERE?
    Record deal and video OUTTA HERE?
    Mercedes Benz and Range Rover OUTTA HERE?
    No doubt BDP is old school, but we ain’t goin’ out!

    (yes you can post the vid Nikcrit)

    Yes, thirsty ni66as are annoying; and so are those “mammy” Oprah type negresses too; but those behaviors may have allowed sapiens to survive some very lean times and by logical progression, put you in the position you in today?
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    Suburban_elk |
    I notice that no one called him on his statement, that he looked forward to the day that he could kill people like that. People like that, being a half-Paki half-White, supporter of white advocacy.
    ——————

    Elk, at the risk of accidentally agreeing with thordaddy; the beach fag does have a point?
    If you are serious about the survival of white people, then you must agree people like Nikcrit must be physically terminated? ESPECIALLY if they are smart, talented, attractive…?

    You can’t have these people walking around among you because it will cause a white women, in a moment of weakness, to “stray” and the next thing you know you flooded with Labradoodles?

    Laguna beach fogey is simply following racism thru to its logical conclusion?
    Trying to make racism a rational ethos is a fools errand; but I like watching people attempt it.

    Carry on.

  110. — Should white women whom you regard as “trash” respect your opinion?

    Very much so, since I am helping bring about way of life in which women are accountable for their decisions.

    — Face it PA, at the end of the day, you don’t really know what women find attractive because…. // Exactly, // You’re not a FEMALE.

    I know exactly what women find attractive, which is why I do well with them.

  111. “Laguna beach fogey is simply following racism thru to its logical conclusion?
    Trying to make racism a rational ethos is a fools errand; but I like watching people attempt it.”

    Yeah, part of the reason i started commenting at r.r. blogs was to test my media-studies theories that new telecommunications technology would allow an unprecedented amount of intellectual interaction among ethno-ideological ‘others’ —– but that somehow the techno would alleviate some of the tension and misunderstanding.
    Well, perhaps I too was on somewhat of a ‘fool’s errand,’ because while the new platforms can and do all i suggest, they also enhance the old, reliable enmity and resentments, up to and including passive/anonymous threats to kill those who committ the transgression of alien blood and phenotype.

    IDK if such reckoning negates all I maintain about 21st-century social relations. But I’m certainly no longer deluded that scumminess and cowardice are human aspects that are quite adaptable in evolutionary terms, quite amenable and up-to-speed in our technocratic ‘here and now.’

    [go visit the many black twitter accounts that are brimming with ‘kill white people’ shit. Thordaddy nails it when he points to the nigger’s demand for liberation without separation. As to Laguna Beach Fogey, he’s having a good time right now, not concerning himself with various commenters getting vapours over the kind of comment that every nationalist, from the dawn of time, has ever made, usually to hearty laughs. — PA]

  112. Maybe he was right, maybe i was wrong. I will say, that i have never seen the guy make a point. Or even a joke that is not based on his persona. That is extreme narcissism, but it doesn’t seem to bother him.

    [Elk, my approach is, that if someone is not trying to fuck with me or lie about things that matter, I’m good with him. I remember LBF from old Roissy comment threads, his blog goes back years, and as I noted in the “Philistinism” and “It is a very good year” posts, I find value in his aesthetics and attitude. — PA]

  113. Elk, at the risk of accidentally agreeing with thordaddy; the beach fag does have a point?
    If you are serious about the survival of white people, then you must agree people like Nikcrit must be physically terminated?

    I think it is pretentious to speculate on such matters. I think that the alt-right is pretentious to speculate on the nature of race destiny. I have participated in it. I consider it a mistake.

  114. It is a parlour game, and parlour talk.

    And the question inevitably becomes, who has the biggest parlous penis?

    Just as in a real parlour conversation, everyone is trying to be the biggest wit.

    I think i have done pretty well, but it is competitive and someone is always looking to score a point.

    I plan on fading back, and just insulting people who say things that are a little bit off. That seems to be the most effective strategy for the parlour penis rounds.

    [come on, man. slap some sense into yourself. It’s nothing like that. Rather, recognize the element of idealism that Nikcrit talks about — communication. The “parlour conversations” have a lot going for them. –PA]

  115. “but the question is whether a rank-and-file dealer generally has the impulsive control to stay in the trade long enough to build true wealth.”

    Umm, I’ve seen nineteen-year-old ‘distributors’ with the poise and reserve of Bobby Fischer in his prime; not only do they reflexively ignore and never touch the contraband in their laps that their white professional customers have succumbed to and spent tens of thousands of dollars in ‘rehab’ learning to conquer; i’ve also seen some of those wayward kids eventually parlay their family generational occupations into landowner class rank and position throughout south-side Chicago.

  116. “As to Laguna Beach Fogey, he’s having a good time right now, not concerning himself with various commenters getting vapours over the kind of comment that every nationalist, from the dawn of time, has ever made, usually to hearty laughs. — PA]”

    Duly noted. My comment’s intention was to note that regardless of any ‘technological enhancements,’ certain rhetorical verities maintain in the brave new world of communications, etc. IOW: I was berating MY naivete; not being a moral scold over others’ actions. In any case, I readily concede to you equal amounts of black nihilism toward figurative ‘whitey’ out there in the communicative ether; you weigh and adjudicate these debates as a white-vs-black tit-for-tat; fair enough, but please simply remember that I don’t reflexively do the same when weighing these matters, because my allegiance cuts across racial lines, i.e., i consider myself as much ‘white’ as I do consider myself ‘black.’ That conceit may not register with you but it’s real in me and genetically evident in me from the get-go, so it should at least be believed by debate adversaries, if not feted or respected.

    I spend plenty of time com bating black nihilism, day after day, hour after hour.

  117. “Thordaddy nails it when he points to the nigger’s demand for liberation without separation.”

    Incidentally, that is a bylaw of “Thordaddyism” that is totally bogus; almost every black american separatist movement, a la the “Nation of Islam,” i,e., a heaviliy revised and chickenshack American-ized rendtion of muslim asceticism, is heavily separatist; Thordaddy’s comic and common error among neo-white-reactionaries is he assumes the african-american’s language, cultural and adaptive connection to white-western culture is some sort of reliance or neurotic dependence on white patronage.

    It is not; rather, it’s merely acknowledgement of the simple anthropological fact that African Americans are a hybrid culture, nature and historic character; their language and customs are inextricably tied to pure white-west history, as is their very blood and genetics.

    They’re unique hybrid beings, beings which I love and who maintain a very unique and persevering mark on history with unique talents and unprecedented cultural burdens. Their cultural measurements shouldn’t be restricted by the duality in their current composition and historical coming into being.

    To be clear, I am not an apologist for black shortcomings; but i’m also not an apologist for the human sloth of more privileged heritage and stock.

  118. Totally bogus?

    Not in my lifetime have I ever heard or read of a single national “black” figure including Faracon demand a clean separation from the white man.

    Not.one.single.time.

  119. Not a single “black” athlete…

    Not a single “black” entertainer…

    Not a single “black” politician…

    Not a single “black” pastor….

    Who of credibility within the “black collective” has ever made a serious demand for separation from the white race?

  120. “Who of credibility within the “black collective” has ever made a serious demand for separation from the white race?”

    American blacks share European language, culture and gene stock; they’re an amalgamated people. You want a disconnected separatist pulled from thin air. So either they come into being or, if society follows your wishes, they’ll be thwarted and possibly eliminated. History awaits a chapter that’s yet to be written…

  121. Why are you being so symbolically contrary and accusatory toward me in recent months? I’m the same person I’ve always been; and I’ve always been forthcoming toward the questions you now re-ask….

    I don’t mean to come off as petulant or accusatory but maybe that impression stems from my exasperation with the recent commenting stream and it’s relentless focus on mud-sharks or thordaddy’s cryptic aphorisms (Please tell me where can I get a thordaddy decoder ring?) As a pragmatist and an optimist I am genuinely interested in your views on how these quality of life type of issues can be addressed. I’m sure you have some ideas along those lines as someone who has an academic background in sociology, who is on the ground managing the chaos, and who is free of the cant that usually comes with the former 2 items. I asked about separation because I see that as the most radical praxis of the race realist theories discussed on the alt-right. if one wishes to counter that outcome, what are the realpolitik policies that can improve relations in the here and now?… idk I have settled or come to peace with most of my existential concerns in life; none of them have much to do with race, so when it comes to this really abstract racial theorizing I’m just bored to tears.

    PS – I don’t have an archive of every comment you ever made 7 years ago, so if I’m asking you to repeat yourself it’s simply don’t recall what have said in the past.

  122. Maybe I’m off topic at this point, but I find your writing to be profoundly emotional. One needn’t wear their heart on their sleeve to be touched or to have the ability to move others with words. Sometimes it runs like a current beneath the words themselves, an energy that can be felt through the cold characters of type as they appear on a screen because it conveys some deeper truth. I’ve always enjoyed your comments over the years where ever I have found them and appreciate your willingness to share them as a part of a narrative that stands on it’s own with this blog. It’s also nice to see some of the comments from people who’ve expressed their own sense of self over the years- thordaddy, nikcrit, suburban elk, etc. I have always taken something from them that I lacked before.

    Many thanks and no criticism.

  123. Ni66as is guilty as charged. No shame in my game, (I fucked some fat white girls (with big tits)
    Besides Cam, this very quality that annoys you may be the only reason YOU exist?

    ^^^ Exactly!! ^^^

  124. “Who of credibility within the “black collective” has ever made a serious demand for separation from the white race?”

    Thordaddy, why is it a surprise to you that blacks never advocate for separation from whites? There’s no upside to that for them. Everything that blacks love about modern society comes exclusively through proximity to whites. Why else would huge volumes of sub-saharan blacks risk life and limb to jump on rickety boats and reach Italy?

    almost every black american separatist movement, a la the “Nation of Islam,” i,e., a heaviliy revised and chickenshack American-ized rendtion of muslim asceticism, is heavily separatist;

    Please. Black people can practice true asceticism about as well as they express good money management principles.

    The Nation of Islam has maybe a paltry 8,000 actual devout, orthodox followers in the USA who actually live by all of Farrakhan’s strictures on a daily basis. The rule about eating once a day and avoiding all southern or fried foods is especially onerous to potential followers. Farrakhan may draw a big crowd of cheering blacks to rallies but then they go home and return to life as usual, it’s all talk – they really don’t want to be in societies composed solely of blacks and give up the standard of living they can have in historically white countries despite all their crying about “racism.”

  125. PA | May 28, 2016 at 8:00 pm
    — Should white women whom you regard as “trash” respect your opinion?

    Very much so, since I am helping bring about way of life in which women are accountable for their decisions.–PA

    Your logic is deeply flawed PA because you are attempting to demand accountability from white women, while at the same time, deny them autonomy by limiting their sexual options; its as if you are holding a mechanic accountable for repairing your car, while at the same time attempting to deny him access to ALL the tools in the tool box.

    — Face it PA, at the end of the day, you don’t really know what women find attractive because…. // Exactly, // You’re not a FEMALE.

    I know exactly what women find attractive, which is why I do well with them.-PA

    If you do so well with white women, why are you obsessed with limiting their sexual options?
    Oh I get it; you want to help all the loser white men who don’t do well with women?
    Thats not helping them PA, thats hurting them because they will never learn how to be attractive if you distort the sexual market place by trying to limit white womens options.
    Why don’t you instead, teach white males how to be attractive like you are?

    Why don’t you have confidence in the white man like I do?
    ——————————————————————————————————————

    [redacted. Watch it. — PA]

    ————————————————————————————————————–

    nikcrit |
    Umm, I’ve seen nineteen-year-old ‘distributors’ with the poise and reserve of Bobby Fischer in his prime; not only do they reflexively ignore and never touch the contraband in their laps that their white professional customers have succumbed to and spent tens of thousands of dollars in ‘rehab’ learning to conquer;
    ————————————-

    Yeah man. Being a successful street level drug dealer in the inner city for any length of time takes a lot of skill; Ive never had a job that difficult, and Ive had A LOT of shitty jobs. The pressure, uncertainty, epic Darwinian levels of competition… those ni66as should try to join the bomb squad so they can relax. The main reason why there are so many black drug dealers is because its the only job where if you are a black male with no skills, no education, no hope, NO PURPOSE… they will hire, train and have you work, AND get paid ALL IN THE SAME DAY.
    Given the prospect of being strangled by the police for selling single cigarettes, slinging powder may be a rational alternative for some people.
    ————————————————————————————————–

    thordaddy |
    Not in my lifetime have I ever heard or read of a single national “black” figure including Faracon demand a clean separation from the white man.
    —————————

    Thats because its logically impossible. If white people could never do it, what makes you think blacks can? White people got all their power and wealth through integration and interaction with nonwhite people and they still do today Why do you keep pedaling this myth of “separation?” There is no such thing and never has been; segregation is NOT separation.
    ———————————————————————-

  126. The main reason why there are so many black drug dealers is because its the only job where if you are a black male with no skills, no education, no hope, NO PURPOSE… they will hire, train and have you work, AND get paid ALL IN THE SAME DAY..

    In other words – their inability to see beyond anything besides instant gratification makes them unsuitable to advanced economies.

  127. Blacks make better drug dealers because they don’t fear prison. It would hurt their business if drugs were legalized.

  128. IF the people around *you* sense and make vocal their belief that *you* are not doing your “best…” Manning up… Taking the bull by the horns… Solving the problem of self-annihilation… THEN *you* have several obvious defense mechanisms at hand. One, is just play deny the charge. *You* are doing your best and manning up. Two, deny your accuser’s concept of the “best.” Better yet, deconstruct “it” and make it look terribly evil. And thirdly, the last defense takes a special psychological something akin to an “autistic alpha.” This defense JUST PLAIN feigns obliviousness to the whole accusatory milieu exposing a hybrid alpha-autistic being possessed of truly radical autonomy.

    NOW…

    Change “best” to “Supremacy” and “see” how it changes the results of YOUR defense mechanisms? “See” how is radically changes the accusatory paradigm.

    Explicit to striving towards Supremacy IS separation from degeneracy at both the individual and collective levels. Otherwise understood as a SOLUTION to violently enforced integration.

    The key to a reframe is the proper conception of racism which is an immersion into the father(s).

    YOUR race is most particularly your father(s).

    Anti-racists HATE their father(s) and look to defy, defile and desecrate their father(s).

    Only the father has the obligation to provide and protect and when it doesn’t come perfect there is a whole world out there ready to make their grievance known.

  129. Thwack…

    When I accuse you of failing to strive towards Supremacy as a black man, you are at a loss.

    First, your LEARNED LIBERAL (anti-racist) REACTION is to say, “Of course, I do not strive towards Supremacy as a black man.”

    BUT…

    It is NOT AT ALL OBVIOUS under careful inspection of your contribution here that you are not, in however flawed a manner, doing that exact thing.

    NOW…

    You are LEFT TO DECONSTRUCT “Supremacy” and “black man” or both IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN the anti-black Supremacist frame.

    Meaning… IF you really do not come here as an aspect of a black man striving towards Supremacy THEN you simply lack any knowable concepts of either objective Supremacy or black man.

    So you are here in a state of radical autonomy seeking its greater maximization over the “racists” who would have “it” prejudicially minimized.

  130. Nikcrit…

    My point stands…

    There are NO RECOGNIZABLE black Supremacists ANYWHERE.

    Ergo, there is no collective “black” will to separate from white degeneracy.

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND how much this scandalizes the historic black man?

  131. @cam,
    My point is that, because American blacks are a hybrid of African and European stock, they would fit naturally in a Sub-Saharan environment only a bit better than white Americans; IOW: African Americans are not Africans and the divide between them and Africans is even greater than is the divide between white Americans and Europeans, because of the less-severed language and cultural ties.

    You just can’t resist the quick degrading joke, even if it’s entirely irrelevant to the issue at hand.

  132. From the link upthread about the Aztec fighters,

    Spanish eyewitness description of Aztec warriors

    It is one of the most beautiful sights in the world to see them in their battle array because they keep formation wonderfully and are very handsome. Among them are extraordinary brave men who face death with absolute determination. I saw one of them defend himself courageously against two swift horses, and another against three and four, and when the Spanish horseman could not kill him one of the horsemen in desperation hurled his lance, which the Indian caught in the air, and fought with him for more than an hour, until two foot soldiers approached and wounded him with two or three arrows. He turned on one of the soldiers but the other grasped him from behind and stabbed him. During combat they sing and dance and sometimes give the wildest shouts and whistles imaginable, especially when they know they have the advantage.

    **********************

    From watching Gladiator, we all how difficult it is too defend against a mounted attack, and consider one man standing an hour against three or four horsed.

    What the wiki link does NOT mention; it is more or less a 100 per cent certainty, that those decorated Aztecs were heavily dosed with peyote, for an edge in vision and anticipation.

    The upper classes of that society dosed for important occasions like death battles.

  133. From watching Gladiator, we all how difficult it is too defend against a mounted attack, and consider one man standing an hour against three or four horsed.

    Yes, standing infantry has no chance against mounted cavalry, you get ridden down with ease. The only option for the infrantry is emissile fire (javelins, arrows, etc.) but if that mounted cavalry has missile fire of their own then that becomes lethal – as history saw with Genghis Khan, whose forces perfected the art of shooting massed fired from horses.

    If you watch the main battle scene in “Return of the King” you see where the Rohirrim plow through a large formation of standing soldier. In the book it’s described in much more complexity, Tolkien was a veteran of World War I himself.

  134. There is something unseemly about a half-Pakistani pontificating about white advocacy without the usual suspects displaying their familiar gaits… So much so that a DESIRE to “see” a time when these types can be killed IS NOT EQUIVALENT to the nigger who kills for “nothing.”

    So the existential crisis doesn’t fall upon the white race in uniform fashion. It, for all that “we” know of LBF and “Admiral Cod,” falls upon just his archetype the most.

    In short, IF “we” agree to something unseemly about a half-Paki speaking white advocacy with no concurrent friction THEN it is up the LBF archetype to snuff out this unseemliness.

    Inducing desire to kill “it” is a good start in this project.

    The very antithesis of the nigger who kills for “nothing.”

    So what is bothering the Elk the most?

  135. Q: How can a half-Paki talk about white advocacy without the typical colored crusaders making their noise?

    A: He doesn’t ACTUALLY talk about wS or the advancement thereof.

    So it seems much the same, an apparent high IQ half-Paki (scientifically Caucasian?) WILL NOT put his mind on the highest thing.

    TOTAL FAIL.

  136. Cesar Tort talks of anti-Nordicism which he might say is implicit in the Williams’ Syndrome. His thesis is that it was the blonde/red-haired, blue eyed northern Nordic who ruled the ancient empires finally succumbing to a miscegenating inertia that leaves the remaining archetypic remnants as some of the most insanely self-annihilating individuals on the planet.

  137. So one can imagine the antithesis to this ideologically-induced, self-annihilating miscegnating…

    But what is “it” outside indiscriminately destroying the forces of miscegnation which seem ultimately aimed squarely at the Nordic mythos of divinely-inspired rulership?

  138. Today’s political Lulz files:

    GOP leaders claim they’ve been building effective Hispanic “outreach” program for years and now it’s being wrecked by Trump:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/the-gop-spent-years-building-a-latino-outreach-projectis-tru?utm_term=.cf5rXnJkz#.gi7zQbGnk

    White flight from Democratic Party continues as the BernieBros# tag gets thrown at “entitled white males” who support Sanders in online flame wars:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-gore/bernie-sanders-is-not-mag_b_9144488.html

  139. Well, 169 comments at the time of my reply to this one. My reply may come too late to be read by many, but I’m going to make it anyway.

    First, I note some haters are going after me. It is inevitable that when you’re in-your-face as I can be, you’re going to have some. I also notice that PA is delivering a few barbs to me . . . which is good. Even if slyly delivered and too understated, they show a birth of emotion of a sort.

    Two replies to PA: One, I am not a teenager (what’s wrong with being a teenager anyway? insults like that are low and baseless) and secondly, self-indulgence is the fucking point of having my own website. You should check it out at

    http://www.sorcerygod.wordpress.com

    before you judge me based on a few helpful, *non-withering* comments I made.

    Obviously, I’m not just trying to “help” PA. Like Trump in the primaries, I want to make a splash by being a bit incendiary … of course, I also am bowling blue fireballs down the red line of Truth when I make comments about excessive erudition and deficient emotionalism . . . but that’s okay, if PA doesn’t want to grow and stretch, he can stay in a rock.

    Here’s a video showing Michael Bolton, and it demonstrates the power of emotions, and what they can do to women/krees. Look at the faces of the females in the audience when the camera pans on them. BTW, has that Lori chick died yet? Someone shovel its corpse in the incinerator on the way out the door.

  140. Nikcrit — hilarious. Unfortunately for NYT, we don’t care. They are flailing with boilerplate, content-free articles like that one.

    Sorcerygod – Please stop concerning yourself with my style or your comments will go the spam folder.

    PS: I got your Michael Bolton right here:

  141. Here is a sentence more or less at random from the NYT link,

    In America and Europe, the rise of anti-establishment movements is a symptom of a cultural shock against globalized postmodernity, similar to the 1930s’ rejection of modernity.

    Well then.

    It concludes with,

    Mr. Trump is no Hitler, but that’s not the point. Today, as in the 1930s, we are seeing the failure of the liberal mainstream to respond to serious challenges, even those that threaten its very existence.

    The article is accurate enough but shallow. The one interesting line was this,

    Setting aside debate about whether the rise of Nazism was built into the German DNA

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