The Mudshark: A Comedy Or A Tragedy?

A young brunette and a dark-skinned man are strolling about downtown on a nice evening, looking idly into the storefront windows they walk past. It’s not what you think. I was meeting up for drinks with a group of coworkers and as it happened, most of us were running late except the above-mentioned brunette and the Black coworker of mine, who were not a couple. To kill time while waiting for the rest of the group, they walked around for a bit. Later, she described to me the shock of noticing people’s reactions to the sight of them as a presumed couple. She said that she’s never experienced that before: every person she passed either gave her dagger-looks or froze her out. “How can somebody choose to live that way?” she asked.

On a crowded subway train, a petite White woman stood with her stroller turned away from me. I gave her a sympathetic smile as she jostled her way through the crowd to get off the train at her station. She caught that and responded glowingly. Then she turned the stroller, revealing a biracial child that obviously had a Black father, and — this was purely a reflex on my part — my friendly expression changed to a cold mask. She caught that too, and it showed in her eyes.

How about an East Asian perspective on mixing? Stationed as a U.S. soldier in Korea, I was out with a local girl one afternoon. We were cutting through apartment blocks and came upon a group of young boys who shouted something at us in Hangul. Her face turned deep red, she squeezed my hand and prompted me to walk quickly. Once clear, I asked her what they said. She replied “they called me a terrible name, I don’t want to tell you.” Two years later, now out of the Army and back in the United States, I was having lunch with another Korean girl. She mentioned that she had two Amerasian classmates in Seoul and told me that the half-White girl was very nice. She then scrunched her face into a portrait of disgust and added “the Black one was so ugly. Everybody hated her.”

Folks, I didn’t create the world, I just describe it. For pretty lies, you’re free to look at Old Navy ads. For ugly lies, turn on your television. And as for comedy, there is this story in the Observer, titled “The Tiresome Question I’m Often Asked About My Brown Kids: Where Are They From?” that transcends the sordid to reach for high farce:

I’m a white mother of six children, five of whom are children of color, and four of whom came home to our family through foster-adoption.

So… one out of six ain’t bad? Not exactly:

[M]y first child, Rory, who is my biological son. His father is Jamaican, and Rory, now 18, alternates between referring to himself as biracial or Black.

Sometimes you just have to laugh. The linked article is unadulterated comedy pinned on hackneyed bitching about normal questions that normal people ask her about her abnormal household.

But that spectacular story aside, what about the common and depressingly banal instances of mudsharking — does one laugh or weep at one woman’s self-removal from the common gene-pool? I guess it depends on whether you think that her straying was predisposed or an accident. Or to expand on that question, is exogamy effectively nature culling a defective female in a mocking form of subtractive eugenics? That is the case if you accept a deterministic explanation that ‘sharks are genetically predisposed to becoming morbidly generous and disloyal. In that scenario, female exogamy is a boiling-off dynamic similar to Amish youths who leave their communities for modern life.

Or is the eugenic explanation false because women are malleable, or like leaves in the wind that follow the strongest current? That would make miscegenation a tragic loss to all of us, no different, from the Darwinian perspective, than an ordinary teenage girl’s death in a traffic accident.

More succinctly then, is it fate or chance? I will leave that question to the reader, but first ask him to acknowledge a common overcorrection of sex-realism, the tendency to discharge women of their agency. When it comes to sex, from selecting the shade of lipstick to making herself vulnerable to rape, nothing a woman does is “by accident.” Rather, her choices, big and small, follow a ruthlessly Machiavellian, internally consistent logic that guides her toward the optimization of her reproductive outcomes. In a healthy girl living in a healthy society, that internal guide can lead her toward life’s end-game of triumphant grandmotherhood. In other cases, her inner guide will be a false song, as with women who delay pair-bonding and motherhood. Or its program will be hijacked,  as with girls who deform themselves in body and soul.

Mudsharks follow that hijacked behavioral template. Some are extreme submissives thrilled by being degraded. And what’s more degrading that the steps that lead her toward lumbering through Walmart with fatherless, identityless children?  Others are acting out the female equivalent of omega-rage, lashing out at their world in the most devastating way they can, exacting revenge on their fathers or former White boyfriends by staining their own branch to spite the tree. And yet others merely have exotic tastes and as with the author in that Observer article, they want the world to know it.

So is the crossing of racial lines always pathological? My answer would be that miscegenation is a breaking of a taboo. Sometimes nothing bad happens. Sometimes love has strange whims and two good people find each other across cultures. In fair-weather times, a touch of spirit for vive la difference can even turn up a genial “superman.”

But these are not fair times and fortunes are no longer in a forgiving mood. A big part of our former dispensation was society’s acceptance of the collective costs of individual discretion and indiscretion. Yet tolerance has its limits and human nature, with its aversion to cuckoldry and habitat corruption, asserts itself when pushed by circumstances such as the current demographic climate Whites are finding themselves in, facing an engineered future of being minorities in our own countries. Such a worst-case-scenario is frightening to a sane person. And that is why the future is identitarian, which means that you have to know who you are.

***

Wisdom is a product of patriarchy. Old women transmit their fathers‘ lessons to their granddaughters. The man is a tree, with women as vines wrapped around him, assuming his shape. Where there is nothing upright, the vine creeps along the ground. Woman — like any human being — has agency but she needs a man’s guidance to balance her sometimes conflicting instincts, and without that guidance she flails. This is why as men, we are responsible for directing women toward decisions that do not destroy their lives and snuff out our common future in the literal crib.

Because if we don’t, we are enabling their behavior, letting them forget that a woman’s burden — normally a happy one — is to draw support from the same men whose child she bears. Fucks and bucks from the same men, which is why when they go Black, a natural process kicks in wherein men drive their unfaithful women to exile — literally or into internal exile, starting with hardened eyes on a crowded train.

It can be difficult, such as when you are a father faced with the choice of either the humiliation of being a race-cuckold or the pain of disowning your daughter. Gentlemen, don’t fool yourselves — there is no third way. That’s why to avoid the dilemma, if you have a daughter, raise her right and give her all your love and protection as she’s growing up. And at the right age, let her know that there are things you will not accept. Then if she turns her back on you, you are free to cut her off with a clean conscience. A commenter at Chateau Heartiste offered the words for a hypothetical conversation with one’s mature daughter before it’s too late:

if you betray your people by sharing your love with outsiders, they will reject you. the outsiders will also reject you, because you’re not one of them. you will be totally alone. nobody will want you. ever.

you will have no safety. no protection. no friends. no love.

And maybe tell her that yes, you get it, Black people have become America’s national mascot and you concede that it’s now bad form to criticize them. But then add: “silly girl, it’s Black women who are supposed to have babies with them.”

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93 thoughts on “The Mudshark: A Comedy Or A Tragedy?

  1. I don’t see a lot of White women with negroes around here. The very few interracial couples I see usually consist of a fat bitch and chunky black. (I recently posted on Twitter a photo I took of such a couple at my local Starbucks). I do occasionally see White couples with adopted niglets or mongol children.

    As I’ve pointed out on other websites, I’ve been seeing increasing numbers of Asian male/White female couples, in which the Asian is distinctly beta and the European female is blonde and cute. I find these pairings incredibly odd.

    With these couples, I try to catch their eye and when I do I just shake my head. I’ve actually pointed and laughed at these freaks. What else can we do? It’s too early in the game to publicly shame them or beat them.

  2. I’ve also noticed White male/black female pairings. I’m not sure if these people are residents or tourists. With these couples, the rule seems to be that the White man is a nerd and the black woman is fat, coal-black, and extra-ugly. What do you call men like this?

    The one exception I can recall is a couple who used to run along Victoria Beach in Laguna Beach, but the man (from what I can remember) was some entertainment celebrity.

    There’s a blonde mudshark in Newport Beach or Costa Mesa who runs a popular blog about her mongrelized-negroized family, but I forget her name. I’ve seen them around in public. What a fucking spectacle.

    I see very few, if any, Hispanic male/White female couples. I suspect it’s a lower class thing and restricted to more blue-collar areas, if it exists at all.

    [The Mordor region is epicenter for BM/WF coupling and yet, it is objectively less common than it seems. I was at a crowded mall alone once, recalling a friend’s earlier plaint that mudsharking is “exploding.” So I decided to count the numbers and types of couples who appeared to be under the age of 35. On that particular day, I got to forty or so White-White couples within minutes and stopped counting them. As I recall this now, I did see one BM/WF couple but they were middle-aged. And there were two WM/BF couples. The sampling that day may or may not have been representative, but it went a long way toward dispelling for me the sexual paranoia of people who see a mudshark under every bed. Yeah, it obviously happens, otherwise I’d not have written this post. But the phenomenon sticks out so starkly that it makes us overestimate its frequency of occurrance. — PA]

  3. Had a HB8 giggling and hanging on to my every word in front of her groid lover at an Arby’s.

    I was left in a Schrodinger state of pessimism/optimism about the future.

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  5. Where “mudsharking” is two truly falling in love, no one who touts freedom of association may argue. Where mudsharking is rooted in anti-racism — whether it be the liberal conception of “racism” or the normal understanding of racism — there is pathology. And then there is the Narrative that deceptively sells the first scenario when it is the second scenario that represents the general phenomenon of mudsharking. At ground level, where mudsharking it is most thoughtless, it simply has NOTHING to do with true lovers finding each other. AT BEST, it’s fun and games. But to those who actually attempt to perceive… It’s a pathological deracination… A truly vulgar anti-racism… A toxic stew of hatred for the (white) father and letting the “black man” get even with the white man.

  6. “The man is a tree, with women as vines wrapped around him, assuming his shape. Where there is nothing upright, the vine creeps along the ground. Woman — like any human being — has agency but she needs a man’s guidance to balance her sometimes conflicting instincts, and without that guidance she flails.”

    Well said, sir.

  7. gold was never enough for the sailors
    weird-winged pirates scoffed at all flight
    steamboats’ strange buttons were their jailers
    sea nor sky settled their mud-missiled fights.

    one last wave soon drowned all trees’ whistling tailors
    a fresher whiteness, eclipsing blindness and sight

  8. RE. Thordaddy’s 2:36 p.m. remark: yet another rare instance in which Thor puts cut like radar through the fog and enveloping blindness and connects for a dinger.
    (How come you just can’t do that a bit more often?).
    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    “Had a HB8 giggling and hanging on to my every word in front of her groid lover at an Arby’s.”

    Hey, the right mise-en-scene, if it connects with your personality, can work miracles for ya!

  9. “The sampling that day may or may not have been representative, but it went a long way toward dispelling for me the sexual paranoia of people who see a mudshark under every bed. Yeah, it obviously happens, otherwise I’d not have written this post.”

    I’d say that is true, but what’s also indicative of paranoia or an even more familiar moderately neurotic fear is the inversion of the tendency you note —- the studied denial of cross-racial relationships in everyday, society despite evidential sway to the disgruntled individual’s own lying eyes.

    That is likely just as common a figure in society today. In any case, ominous rumination on the matter isn’t really necessary as sociological research has fairly sound data measurements on the topic, even if they are routinely disregarded.

  10. — Where “mudsharking” is two truly falling in love, no one who touts freedom of association may argue.

    If you apply freedom of association consistently, you will grant others the right to exclude mixed couples and any other kinds of people from their communities.

  11. I honestly don’t think most people are judging them, because most people don’t care.

    [my first paragraph suggests that people are judging them. — PA]

  12. I never bother asking if so and so is her child, because I don’t care. I think some of these women are looking for attention.

  13. I do judge them because I feel like they prefer black men because black men have lower standards. They don’t want to put in the effort to live up to the higher standards of white men.

  14. IMO, Thordaddy’s comment neatly set the tone for the point that are salient; it’s obviously a touchy subject (i’m pretty sure we agree, but i’d conceded that it’s probably particularly so for me) —– but I appreciate the fact that he’s qualifying the terms of discourse and disposition initially, which isn’t always the case, particularly among people who are far on one side of this often-polarizing issue. But most important, he sets up the social quagmires that are often behind or contingent or too easily derived by cross-cultural personal relationships, which of course can emanate from the individuals directly involved, but that are also often imposed by the larger societal neuroses and other cultural pieties, in which case they might be projected or culturally imposed in other ways.

    From the get-go in such discussion, i think it’s important to determine if the topic arises in one of those ‘cultural bonding’ type scenarios, common at sites like this one —- or if objective and impartially academic objectives are the goal; doing as much most surely helps avoid said discussions going awry.

  15. I judge these women, but not in the way they think. I just figure she was unable to attract a high quality white man, and then figured she would not have to settle as much if she was willing to go black.

  16. It’s not just looks either. Black men’s standards seem to be lower in other ways. I would doubt a woman’s character, family, etc. is as important to them. I suspect Nikcrit’s standards are higher than the average black man’s, but probably lower than a comparable white man’s.

  17. “my first paragraph suggests that people are judging them. — PA]”

    And my first impression of that paragraph was that our honorable blog host took a bit of creative license with that personal anecdote.

    [the anecdotes I write on this blog are all true, though sometimes obviously dramatized like the “radio signals” story in Shots Of Wisdom 3, or details are omitted in the interest of privacy. The downtown / subway / Korea stories in the o.p. all really happened as described. The fiction I write here is self-evidently so. — PA]

    Sure that wasn’t more hypothetical vignette than personal chronicle?

    I have no reason to doubt anything you’ve ever said; but i can’t imagine a professional at work saying something like that, even to a co-worker she was confident was sympathetic to her views.

    [the girl was not my coworker. She was from my personal circle.]

  18. I have noticed women in BM/WW relationships tend to seem somewhat defensive.

    Yes. The reason White women in BM/WM relationships are so fat is because they deliberately put on extra weight to appear more formidable to opponents and critics. They use their fat as a suit of armour. In her heart of hearts, a White woman with an African male knows she has degraded herself and has done something truly shameful.

  19. “Nikcrit’s standards are higher than the average black man’s, but probably lower than a comparable white man’s.”

    Lara, sometimes I wonder if you’re really serious when you say some of these things; you have a pitch-perfect sense of deadpan timing. I’m really not sure.

  20. sometimes I wonder if you’re really serious when you say some of these things; you have a pitch-perfect sense of deadpan timing. I’m really not sure.

    Comedy resembles reality, to a perfect pitch.

    As hardscrabble farmer put it: there is nothing funny about comedy.

  21. You are probably in the top %5 of all black men, but my guess is your women are about what an average to slightly above average white man gets. I didn’t mean it as an insult, I think a lot of white men can be too picky. The longer they are single the worse they seem to get.

  22. As to my inline comments above re. Nikcrit’s assumption that I make up or exaggerate my anecdotes in support of a serious posts’s thesis: think about how dishonest and for lack of better word, unserious that would be.

  23. Brothers don’t have standards, they will sleep with anything that isn’t black. And who could blame them?

    They’ve been passing the ugly shemale Kardashian around like a platter for 10 years, without shame. Not to mention the long line of black athletes and rappers that idolize, make babies with or even marry strippers.

  24. “ou are probably in the top %5 of all black men, but my guess is your women are about what an average to slightly above average white man gets. “

    Ok, time for a bit of adolescent flexing: I will venture out loud —– knowing full well that there is no way to prove as much and for that reason I’ll hereby be somewhat ridiculed —– that between the ages of 24-and-31 I fucked more 8s, 9s and 10s, of various races and blends of races, than did anyone outside of the top-five percent here or at CH or any of those manosphere sites where guys describe things like how they seduced away a ‘Groid’s’ mudshark while they were waiting from their sandwiches at Arby’s, etc….Lol~!

    FWIW, I would bet the house that i’m right on this projected metric, though I know i’m going to catch some serious shite for indulging this foolishness…

    Lara: give me a hypothetical composite of an ‘average to slightly-above-average white man’s woman?” lol!

  25. p.s.—- let me amend one projected metric: i change “anyone outside of the top-five percent” to “anyone of the top ONE percent” in regards to the CH site.

  26. I hear you, Each Pond Gone, but let me tell you how i did it:

    Nikcrit: “I’m one of the baddest motherfuckers of all time. I’m one of the best singers and one of the best lookin’ motherfuckers you’ve ever seen. Hold my drink, bitch. “

  27. LOL, c’mon Superman. Black males have a much more “expansive” definition of what makes up a “hot” girl than white guys who can actually get laid. It’s just a fact. Something 5-8 and 175 pounds can be “hot” to them, especially if it’s somewhat lightskinned and has straight, natural hair.

  28. “re. Nikcrit’s assumption that I make up or exaggerate my anecdotes in support of a serious posts’s thesis: think about how dishonest and for lack of better word, unserious that would be.”

    Hmmm. I don’t think it’s that egregious; first of all, the core elements of your story could be literally true —– the three people, the circumstance, the ethnic composition of those three people, etc…… the opening for a bit of creative license or fabulism or whatever comes in your interpretation of the facial expressions they gleaned or gave …… there’s lots of wiggle room for you to impart your perspective without violating the integrity of the factual details in the narrative…… in any case, I didn’t intend that as insult nor criticism, though i suppose it could be taken that way.

  29. “It’s just a fact. Something 5-8 and 175 pounds can be “hot” to them, especially if it’s somewhat lightskinned and has straight, natural hair.”

    Dude, i don’t even think that way; you’re the one who’s always putting that ghetto ‘dirty south’ aesthetic on everything; I would never hit that shite……. btw, you seem to know the nuances of “World Stars of Hip Hop” culture much, much better than I do——- I mean, I’m in the ‘hood myself much of the day, yet you seem to be the go-to here when it comes to picking up the latest dances like the ‘nae nae’ or whatever… Lol..

  30. [the girl was not my coworker. She was from my personal circle.]

    Oh. Just saw this. That changes my perspective…. and then I guess if someone was inclined to say something along the lines you suggested in your post, it wouldn’t be shared with the likes of me.

  31. I’ve got to say, if you were raised in TX you’re above this shit. But you still enjoy the feud.

    Rodeos are immortal, as it should be.

  32. Being able to discuss Iggy Pop at length surely puts our Superman into the “top 3%” of black males, right? I know I joke with him about being a zebra but being culturally white, genial and unthreatening surely gave certain amount of ability to meld into social situations with white women, especially young unmarried ones involved in the party scene of the music/entertainment biz. And despite the stupidity you see on CH and elsewhere, the real way to approach a white woman is from inside her social circle — all of this meeting chicks in bars and trying to “neg” your way into her pants is quite a bizarre idea to me.

  33. “I know I joke with him about being a zebra but being culturally white, genial and unthreatening”

    I disagree with this; I don’t believe being ‘non-ghetto’ is one and the same with being ‘culturally white.” That’s the biggest white conceit in the second half of the 20th-century.

    Besides, anti-anti-racist whites could make their claim more convincingly if they defined all black behavior as organically black.

  34. @PA&Thordaddy,

    I appreciate the fact that candor is used and no stone is unturned in describing the ‘unfinished business’-type neurosis that often informs cross-cultural romance and relationship and other psychosexual ‘actings out,’ I’m glad that there’s at least obligatory nod to such relationships being free from pathos or false nobility or any of the other many conceits that people sometimes lard such relationships with.

    That’s real progress and that is the truth and it deserves to be at least mentioned because it is important and it is true.

  35. I don’t believe being ‘non-ghetto’ is one and the same with being ‘culturally white.” That’s the biggest white conceit in the second half of the 20th-century.

    As a non-objective observer … nikcrit wins that point.

    ******************

    But, uh, by the way … trickin —

    that between the ages of 24-and-31 I fucked more 8s, 9s and 10s, of various races and blends of races

    Some of us got hard dicks, here and now.

  36. that between the ages of 24-and-31 I fucked more 8s, 9s and 10s, of various races and blends of races, than did anyone outside of the top-five percent here

    Hey; my esteemed worthwhile nemesis.

    You are basing your self-esteem on women’s perception. Rather than real-world accomplishment.

    That is tied into the theme of this blog.

    You are not your dick size.

  37. “That would make miscegenation a tragic loss to all of us”

    Having seen many white women who mudshark, I’m not so sure it’s really that tragic of a loss.

  38. I disagree with this; I don’t believe being ‘non-ghetto’ is one and the same with being ‘culturally white.” That’s the biggest white conceit in the second half of the 20th-century.

    No, I never proposed such a stark dichotomy – you did. But your ability to navigate (and meaningfully discuss) a very wide set of cultural tastes is not at all common amongst blacks, especially the younger generation.

  39. “that between the ages of 24-and-31 I fucked more 8s, 9s and 10s, of various races and blends of races

    Some of us got hard dicks, here and now.”

    — just saying that I put aside hedonism in my 30s…… I did foreacknowledge that I would catch shit bigtime if I took the bait in this mudshark post…

    I’m sorry….. I read that comment about our white commenter seducing the mudshark at Arby’s and teaching that sassy nigger a thing or two, and I snapped….

    Today, I’m still in the game; i mean, it’s functioning and intact, but no more rec fucking; most of you are married but when you’re in your wiser 40s and single you ironically can have sex almost whenever you wish but it just doesn’t feel right to be ‘closing the deal’ in ways prevalent in your 20s.

    It’s really true what they say about ‘mature sex’, or middle-age sexuality being more intense via being able to integrate spirituality and base emotional pathos and empathy into the purely mechanical communions of fucking; actually, the most soul-annihilating periods of sexual activity occur in your 20s and if you’re availed the props and conceits to indulge hedonism; that’ll fuck you up in ways that last!

  40. In fairness to Nikcrit, if he isn’t looking for wife/mother of his children material it makes sense to not be as selective.

  41. And there were two WM/BF couples.

    According to research, WM/BF married couples are slightly above the US norm in education, income and longevity.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/this-is-the-highest-earning-type-of-interracial-couple-2012-2

    Also notice that BM/WF marriages are only 1.3% of the total in the USA, and have a much higher divorce rate than WM-WF couples.

    I’m sorry….. I read that comment about our white commenter seducing the mudshark at Arby’s and teaching that sassy nigger a thing or two, and I snapped….

    I’m with you on that, I’ve got neither time nor anything to prove to random people at Arby’s, be it alt right-related or no.

  42. “If you apply freedom of association consistently, you will grant others the right to exclude mixed couples and any other kinds of people from their communities.”

    Yes, exactly… Which is why those who press mudsharking for ideological purposes almost never argue the “right” of true love. Such plea implies the right of freely associating and is thus explicitly separatist. Mudsharking, AS ideological mandate, is ultimately, self-refutingly separatist.

  43. Miscegnation is the liberationist’s “highest” conception of “inclusion.” Ergo, the radical liberal is mentally stunted by his strict materialism.

  44. “It’s really true what they say about ‘mature sex’, or middle-age sexuality being more intense via being able to integrate spirituality and base emotional pathos and empathy into the purely mechanical communions of fucking; actually, the most soul-annihilating periods of sexual activity occur in your 20s and if you’re availed the props and conceits to indulge hedonism; that’ll fuck you up in ways that last!” — Nikcrit

    So when do you start protesting against radical sexual autonomy and pathological deracination?

  45. “So when do you start protesting against radical sexual autonomy and pathological deracination?”

    I feel my being and consciousness always did reject those impulses; it’s just that I likely didn’t have the perception and conviction to articulate what possessed me of that feeling. That was the period I learned with all the force of bearing in my mind and body that soul impoverishment, depression and social alienation could occur even if you had all the social and material benefits and advantages that society teases you with and that one could dream of.And THAT will fuck you up in a hurry.

  46. “I feel my being and consciousness always did reject those impulses; it’s just that I likely didn’t have the perception and conviction to articulate what possessed me of that feeling.” — Nikcrit

    What does HBD “tell” you?

  47. I was watching Red Ice’s livestream at the Amren conference interviewing both luminaries and conference attendees to get their opinions on the conference. One of the first guys they interview is half Pakistani/half white with a white mother and pakistani father. I skipped the interview to resolve my cognitive dissonance of a mixed at a WN conference. But I was struck by Lana Lokteff’s gushing over him even though as far as EGI, the guy is a disaster. A bit odd for a WN conference. If you don’t take EGI into account then WN is just LARPing. On the one hand, unfortunately, I wouldn’t have the nerve to tell someone like that to get lost – he seemed decent enough, his admixture is not his fault, I’m an individualist in part, and who knows, at least he is an ally. Oth, I hate my own attitude.

  48. — A bit odd for a WN conference. If you don’t take EGI into account then WN is just LARPing. On the one hand, unfortunately, I wouldn’t have the nerve to tell someone like that to get lost – he seemed decent enough, his admixture is not his fault

    Amren is not the leader of our movement. It’s just one of many pro-White groups. I look at it this way: WN has a core vision and objective, which is the 14 Words. Everything else is detail to be worked out. I have no problem with alliances with pro-Whites of any race, provided that:
    – they are not leaders of the group in any formal capacity
    – they do not try to moderate our speech
    – if he’s a Jew, he doesn’t hide the fact
    – we don’t hold a misguided notion that we “need” them. We’ll take a sincere ally but on our terms.
    – they are not gushed over or held up as “see, we have diversity!” tokens; the frame to have is for THEM to be proud of having been accepted by us. For example, if you were to join a Buddhist monastery, the monks wouldn’t be trying to be accommodating of you or bragging about their diversity; rather, you would accommodate yourself to them. Or look at Trickdaddy here in these comments section: I like having him comment here but you don’t see me trying to wave him around like my “Black Best Friend” or try to make him “comfortable” here.

    Back to Amren, they do what they do, which is important work. But Amren’s existence does not preclude more hardline and racially exclusive groups working toward the same 14 Words goal. We’re a big, loose, leaderless grassroots movement.

  49. Those are my initial thoughts on broad pro-White movements. Ethno-nationalist groups in my view should be more pointedly exclusive about membership.

  50. I’m still formulating this thought. Alliance with others and granting them membership are two different things. It’s helpful to look at it this way: its ok to be open to allies/helpers of another race if your movement’s goal is to take down a common enemy. For example, anti-feminist or anti-sjw movements, or simply big picture anti-establishment objectives. Gamergate is an example of that. But in the case of a positive racial objective, non-White allies should be looked at with due suspicion. There is a comfort, camaraderie and morale element in racially or ethnicly pure association that’s a force multiplier.

    A genuine non-White ally wouldn’t get butthurt about getting excluded; he’d understand and respect identitarian limits and help in other ways.

  51. Jackson Pollock: didn’t get that painting was a man’s game. About sixty years later, the canvas is post-sewer, seemingly just pre- lady-like. The Church of Oneness is holding war and art hostage, wild sharks now treated like the disgusting catfish.

  52. I would also be suspicious of female WNs. I’m supportive of the movement (to a point), but I realise it just isn’t in my best interest to be too involved. I could see women, particularly young ones, causing all kinds of trouble.

  53. OT: I’ve just been invited to the Trump rally for this Wednesday morning in Anaheim [Anaheim: founded by Germans, home of Disneyland]. Is there any particular photos/film footage you goys want me to take? This should be fun.

  54. Have never seen a Greek mudshark.

    I recall a Roosh forum about three or four years ago in which the thread got all off-topic and turned into Greek Mudshark dreadfest, with all these reports of increasing mudsharkery culiminating in some sorta Jungle-fever-type bacchanal that took place in Cypress…To me, the idea of turning some niche of interracial sex into a sexual tourism and marketing plan is so squalid and soulless that I think the primary violation and lack precludes even having to moralize about the sexual creepiness inherent to it.

  55. Greece. If you drink Mavrodafni well after midnight and squint at the rocks, there’s nothing but aberrant shadows of American Indian orgies.

  56. — “To me, the idea of turning some niche of interracial sex into a sexual tourism and marketing plan is so squalid and soulless that I think the primary violation and lack precludes even having to moralize about the sexual creepiness inherent to it.” – Nikcrit

    Roosh’s PUA-guru business model was the selling of blonde dreams to brown omegas. The low point in his integrity was when he rationalized his travels as “love tourism.”

      — “My gf just said she won’t bail me out of jail in case something happens to me.” – Laguna Beach Fogey

    It’s time to get a new girlfriend.

    — “I’ve just been invited to the Trump rally for this Wednesday morning in Anaheim [Anaheim: founded by Germans, home of Disneyland]. Is there any particular photos/film footage you goys want me to take?” – Laguna Beach Fogey

    Definitely.

  57. I’m waiting for the environment in which we can kill such individuals.

    It’s not long coming, m8.

    Total War may not be a selling point.

    I didn’t see the video or know anything about the half-Paki, but some of those guys have old stock Central Asian white blood, and are more recently selected by a hard climate.

    As soon as resources are too scarce, people will fight for them. It is unlikely for there to be a calamitous-seeming shift. That doomer mentality is an illusion. What will be different tomorrow than it is today?

    The government is going to try and hold on its pretense of authority, but it is already failing.

    The internet depends on easy energy, and a technical infrastructure based on oil. It will have to be limited.

    But all these epic and grand events are historical, and even beyond history, on the level of race. But such realities are not the primary experience of the individual. They are by definition beyond the experience of the individual.

    The individual is ‘supposed’ to experience those Epics through his myths, but our myths are not currently adequate. Maybe they never were.

    You and i and probably everyone reading is likely to be dead and gone, before a new balance is settled, in how the races are distributed around the planet.

  58. “A genuine non-White ally wouldn’t get butthurt about getting excluded; he’d understand and respect identitarian limits and help in other ways. “

    That is certainly true. But possibly even more to the point, I would venture this about ‘non-white’ or in other ways, limited and pre-qualified ‘allies’: often the simple goal is to both give and get a more realistic portrayal and/or rendering of oneself and your views—- to ‘de-caricatureize’ both yourself and your views and that you glean from confrontational ‘others.’

    I’ve said it before but I contend that one of the quietly radical aspects of 21st political and identity-politics culture is the technological advances made in social media and other forms of ‘many-to-many’ vs. the old-school “one-to-many” forms of communication; i.e., it’s fairly an innovative and radical fact that ideological online participants such as, say, LBF and myself, now can possibly have relatively nuanced views of where each of us are coming from while a mere 20 years ago it’s very likely we’d never as much as be aware of the others existence and for very good reasons.

    And I’d argue that having A) a more clear and easily impressionable sense of yourself and your views is ideal; while B) having a more clear and non-caricaturized conception of your adversaries and other ideological opponents is equally beneficial.

    Of course that could get dodgy and make for awkward moments at times; but overall, I would argue that it keeps everyone involved more vital personally, or you might say in terms of keeping one’s political passions and outrages tangible and intact.

  59. Uh oh?

    Looks like PAs page views must be saggin; he had to play the “mudshark card” to generate some hits…

    (((shakin my head)))

    Im not going to address it other than note the hysterical anxiety these white males like PA experience is mostly in their skulls. It is written that people who obsess over a subject are actually attempting to repress a fantasy?

    [“obsess” is Marxist rhetoric for “disagrees with the program”.]

    I suspect some significant percentage of the anti race mixing warriors are actually “fascinated” by the concept? (look that word up) at the very least morbidly?

    [mumbo jumbo. If it were legal to push meth at schools and illegal to interfere with the pusher, many of us would be obsessing about drug addiction. — PA]

    “obsessive study” of a personal taboo is how the brain compensates for the inability to act on a specific taboo, whether personal or societal. After a certain age, everyone has some intuitive sense of the connection between sex and death. The racists white male takes this to the existential level with the concept of “racial death”; which interestingly may, MAY be what SOME white females experience, or are TRYING to experience when THEY sleep with a black man?

    Muddonna got a lot of mileage out of that video she did about the black Jesus? She inverted the symbolism of the crucification by “sacrificing” herself on the black mans cock in order to take away the sins of the world (white supremacy)

    [yeah, ain’t those (((entertainment industry))) rascals clever?]

    Ever had a girl call you “Jesus” during sex?

    She wasn’t really talking to you because…

    I’ll stop right here because I don’t want all you provincial types to hurt yourselves; I know your ears are already turning beet red, and your BP is spiking….

    But I do want to smack down a false comment PA made:

    “If you apply freedom of association consistently, you will grant others the right to exclude mixed couples and any other kinds of people from their communities.” — PA

    First of all, all couples are “mixed”. They are a mixture of male and female; each of which has a biological definition, and therefore, by logical progression, a LEGAL definition.
    There is no biological definition of “white.” The legal definition of “white” is so shaky that when as in the 1967 supreme court case “Loving V Virginia”; the state refused to APPLY it in their argument even thought it was their only chance to win.
    They went “all around the world”; but never asked, answered and/or raised the question: “what is a white person?”

    [oblique definition 1: we know who we are. Oblique definition 2: that, which all non-Whites hate because they can never be.]

    Until THAT question is answered the concept of “mixed” will remain null and void
    PA, what country are you from?

    I regret to inform you and your reverse polish notation ass that the name of THIS country is the UNITED states of American.

    [“American” was once an identity of a specific people. Everyone in the world knew what an American was. Today toothy Eritrean FOBers are called “Americans”. Whites have two ways to go: abandon the American identity or reclaim it, with all of the jostling that would come with that second option.]

    If you can’t handle it, maybe you should go back to poland?
    Or where ever those people who look like they crawled up outta ground zero come from?
    You can go now.
    ———————————————–

    And finally, Nikcrit,
    you talk too much.

  60. There is no money in WN. It can also alienate you from friends and family, and keep you from getting jobs. Maybe it’s easier for a half white person to avoid these bad consequences.

  61. Thwack…

    Where a truly regnerate WHITE racial consciousness will coalesce is around fidelity and faith in objective Supremacy and nowhere else.

    To thwack this “thing” at its conception… To thwack a truly regenerate white racial consciousness is to DENY objective Supremacy in principle. Ergo, there is no objective Supremacy SO there can be no white men who truly strive for objective Supremacy. Double ergo, *you* cannot even conceive a “master race.”

    To thwack a “thing” to death before “it” has opportunity to fully regenerate is to absolutely deny its Perfection.

    Thwack is clearly anti-white Supremacy attacking the true meaning of “white” to obscure his denial of white perfection, ie., his denial of white man’s concept of PERFECTION (a concept he lacks absolutely).

  62. I am seeing LESS WF/BM couples out this spring in places I used to see quite a few. My brother turned to me and said “Is the Trumpening having an effect already and on mudsharking?” Is it possible the public mood can shift in this regard? Perhaps anecdotal but I am sure many of these relationships are fads and I wouldn’t bet against the possibility that the toxic liberal environment we have endured can turn people off from race mixing.

  63. Well, I’m impressed PA, that was a very well-written and pieced-together article. I’m glad I found your site.

    But can I offer you a hint? Inject a little more emotion into YOUR DAMN DIATRIBE. It is a diatribe, isn’t it? If you truly believe that whites are getting swamped, and you object to it, then show it.

    Intellectually, you’re basically flawless.

    Emotionally, you come across as a too-calm professor adjudicating a dispute between two teenagers who got promoted ahead of themselves to his class. You need FIRE!!!. You need ICE. Let loose your caveman or your circus acrobat, shine, dazzle ’em. I don’t ask you to reduce the intellectualism — which is delightful — but show us more of who you are.

    When you read Heartiste, notice that he takes gory delight in the “shiv” and laces his neologistic profanities such as “shitlibs” and “shitlords” and “the Skittles man” with hatred, cajoling admiration, and amusing approval. You can *feel* his vibe through his words.

    I have nothing but praise for your mind … now work on your heart.

    — Sorcerygod

  64. ‘Obj. supremacy’ — cavemen might glimpse it at times, but those bats have never grasped it.

  65. “Intellectually, you’re basically flawless.”

    Fellating your homie on the Internet is something a man cares not to observe.

    “Rather, her choices, big and small, follow a ruthlessly Machiavellian, internally consistent logic that guides her toward the optimization of her reproductive outcomes.”

    Women lack the internal, step by step rational mechanism you describe. Your being projective here.

    “My answer would be that miscegenation is a breaking of a taboo.”

    You do realize that the English, the French, the Germans, hell, all European groups among the lower social classes refused to have their offspring marry outside of their ethnic group, right? It was only in the United States before this “taboo” was broken.

    Regardless, people have the liberty to marry and procreate with whomever they please. What you are advocating is fascist.

    “For pretty lies, you’re free to look at Old Navy ads. For ugly lies, turn on your television.”

    No lies, just reality.

  66. — Regardless, people have the liberty to marry and procreate with whomever they please. What you are advocating is fascist.

    People also have the liberty to not support the children of people who mix or include them in their communities. What you are advocating is communist.

    But then again, you admit that you believe your TV.

  67. Read GCM’s first comment again… How much more (un)consciously subversive can one be?

    And “he” probably says “gay man,” too?

  68. RE. the back-n-forth between PA and GCM: you’re both right; our 21st-century ‘technoatomocracy’ guarantees more polarization AND more miscegenation; more reactionary movement and more progressive politics; more fractualization and more centralized authority.

  69. White women who mix with negroes are, without exception, quite twisted in a way that other women are not. It’s rather hard to describe.

    Even those who mix with mestizos or Asians seem to be mentally off, although not nearly to the same extent as coalburners.

    White men who race-mix are usually either low-ranked or weird, but not generally mentally off.

  70. that between the ages of 24-and-31 I fucked more 8s, 9s and 10s, of various races and blends of races, than did anyone outside of the top-five percent here or at CH or any of those manosphere sites

    But you’re (I’m presuming) a white man, and men are designed to take the hottest woman they can of whatever race. And hypergamy dictates that nonwhite women will be open to white men in a way that white women won’t be to nonwhite men. Generally speaking, though, high-value white men end up with a high-value white woman rather than a nonwhite one simply because more white women make themselves available to him.

  71. “But you’re (I’m presuming) a white man,”

    “White men who race-mix are usually either low-ranked or weird, but not generally mentally off.”

    Lol! I love the way in partisan blogs that whenever any aggregate stat or symbolically relevant anecdote is reeled off, it just so coincidentally tends to reify every single aspect and anxiety of the gender/race and more detailed demographic info of the person stating as much.

    I mean, just how convenient and reassuring such coincidence as that, eh?

    The comment sections in those PUA sites say it all, IMO; I don’t take that shit seriously.

  72. What is relevant is each side pining for the unspoken pact.

    What is relevant is whether the “transcending” of the aggregate stat through the elevation of the symbolic antecdote is, in HBD-frame, DUE “white supremacy” or “black supremacy?” Or, better yet, having made the general phenomenon known, have you even made an honest assessment?

  73. Regardless, people have the liberty to marry and procreate with whomever they please. What you are advocating is fascist.

    OMG, the f-bomb.

    “But you’re (I’m presuming) a white man,”

    Depends on the topic. 🙂 🙂

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  75. When I ran a ‘dating, mating, marrying’ advice list, lots of the 30-yr-old young women were just … lost! They’d never even really known of how a normal relationship was supposed to go. Neither had I, but 15-20 years earlier; I had worked and studied hard and ‘awoke’; and I had never dated outside my race: the (((programming))) didn’t ‘stick’ with me. I carefully and judiciously sprinkled ‘awakening’ thoughts, views, and info into my seemingly ‘modern’ almost-“feminist” (it wasn’t!) advice. My purpose was “awakening young women from the ravages of feminism, one woman at a time!”

    One 30-yr-old White elementary school teacher “delicately” (okay, in fear of being called on it) expressed her “confusion” (she didn’t want to appear racist — i.e., go against her programming — but she really really did NOT want to date blacks! Just couldn’t say (write) so out loud. {eye roll}) She didn’t know how to answer on dating sites, when a black man asked her to connect.

    To her achingly major relief, I wrote back: “absolutely not; no, not at all, ever! It is entirely appropriate — and indeed I recommend VERY strongly — none of you ever cross racial lines. I also suggest you not cross national, religious, “heritage,” or any other lines! It’s hard enough getting a relationship to work just across male-female lines!” (And all along, I was feeding them facts and science and examples: men and women are hugely (biologically) different! Educating them on what they’d never heard.)

    I also ‘salted’ the advice with: “look, just having different family patterns for celebrating Christmas will cause tension! Your family always goes home, his family always comes to your house: one or the other of you will have to change how you do Christmas! Which religion to raise the kids in? And those are two biggies — how about which way the toilet paper is put on the holder? Or running the faucet while brushing teeth? There are enough adjustments you both need to make without adding in all the extra complications of race or nationality or religion!

    This gave the girls an instant — and completely defensible — excuse to never date outside their race! They had never had any such excuse (they’d never even heard the idea!); they did not know how to say no (gracefully — NICE girls have trouble saying “GTF away from me!”) — so they were … unhappily “forced” into ‘being open to’ dating “anyone.’ Give young women and girls a pattern (and scientific reasons) for how to gracefully get out of it, and most of them will be grateful — and will get out of it!

    (Help prevent mudsharking!! Catch ’em younger and teach ’em how to say no gracefully! Un-brainwash the brainwashed! Save the White girls!)

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