The Coward and the Mudshark

The Coward. The angel says to the young man: “You have nothing. I can give you a chance to have something. Would you like that?” The man nods his head. The angel says: “This evening at 8:00, be at the intersection you know well. Stand there and wait. Then run into the flames. I will protect you. It will burn but you will save a life.” The man asks: “And if I don’t go?” The angel says: “You have free choice. I know that you are afraid.”

The man looks away to think. The angel is gone. The young man opens a beer, sits down. Restlessly, the hours go by. The noisy television may as well be in orbit. It is 7:50. He gets up and goes to the refrigerator for another beer.

The Mudshark. The angel says to the young woman: “The men you wanted don’t want you, so you go to those other men.” She says: “But DeShawn is fun and he can be really sweet!” The angel’s face clouds over and he says quietly: “Burying your talent is a sin.” He continues: “You can have a baby like you, except with hope. Do you want that?” She nods her head apprehensively. The angel says: “This evening at 8:00, be at the intersection you know well. Stand there and wait. You won’t see me but I will be there.” The angel disappears.

Her cell phone buzzes. Hours later at 7:50 she listens to DeShawn’s video game in the other room, she herself alone on his mattress.

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343 thoughts on “The Coward and the Mudshark

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  2. Mudsharkery is pure r-selection. Having a child that resembles them is not important because rabbits feel less desire to bond with their spawn.

  3. So the angel hooks up the mudshark with the coward and the coward gets cucked by shitavious? Is that how this ends? “Run into the fire, I will protect you.” lolzzzzozlzozlzo

  4. “she herself alone on his mattress”

    Mattress, not bed. This is key. I can picture it.

  5. — So the angel hooks up the mudshark with the coward

    That’s not the scenario I had in mind when writing this but it did occur to me a couple of hours after posting it.

    — I’m intrigued by that chap’s skull structure

    That is a nameless character played by Artur Barciś that recurs in each of the ten installments of The Decalogue. He appears very briefly as an incidental character in a key moment of each episode. Through his silent expression, he reflects a judgment on the protagonist, whose conflict ties to the episode’s respective Commandment. In most interpretations of the series, he is said to be an angel powerlessly watching a human being work out his moral dilemma. In the original post he appears as a road crew worker making eye contact with someone who is preparing to commit murder (Decalogue 5).

    Here he is in Decalogue 1, foreshadowing a tragic event:

  6. Something I was conscious of in the two stories was John Milton’s sonnet “When I Consider How My Light is Spent”

  7. ” About
    It is easy to point fingers. And this blog is not a place where we point-and-rage or point-and-mock. That would be a waste of my time, and yours. This place is a vehicle for understanding ourselves and our world toward doing the things that need to be done — starting with ourselves.”

    [Nikcrit, are you pointing out a failing of mine or are you reacting to something that you don’t like for a personal reason? — PA]

  8. Neither, or perhaps a mild bit of both; a certain perspective might consider the immolation of a hypothetical ‘mudshark’ to be acts of both ‘point-and-rage” and “point-and-mock.”

    If it’s figurative, the so be it—— but i guess i’m sweating a bit over such a deed is considered something that ‘needs to be done.” hahah.

    [I see. Like I replied to the commenter above, I did not consciously think that the two characters are going to meet. I imagined them on entirely separate paths. In my thoughts, the fire had nothing to do with her. Then again, what the author says about his work is of limited utility because art is in part a non-conscious process, as I myself had said. Interesting interpretation. — PA

    PS: this notion that she will be immolated is not supported by the story because she is promised a baby like herself. On the other thread it sounded like you were thinking that DeShawn is killed in the fire, which is also arbitrary on your part]

  9. really? I guess i interpreted it differently than you, the author, did while writing it. In that case, it would be fair to say that I was then ‘wrong.’ So i guess the homely scenario I suggested —-a bunch of r.r. alt-righters reveling in the immolation of a hypothetical male-half of a mudsharking —– didn’t take place in literary form.

    As Emily Litella would say: “Never mind.”

  10. Yeah they’re both going to an “intersection”.

    So what I’m reading is that a White man who is a coward is the moral equivalent of a mudshark.

    But I don’t get it. Motive is all messed up. First of all, what is the coward afraid of? And I know some alt-righters like to think that White women go with nogs because White men reject them.

    Bollocks. In this horrid SMP, any halfways reasonably attractive white female still young enough to offer anything has nice white boys falling all over themselves at her feet in droves. They fuck niggaz because the white boys are pussies. Wishful thinking there. Coal burners don’t want White babies. They want to spawn more of nikcrit and then find an obedient white weakling to pay the bills.

  11. — So what I’m reading is that a White man who is a coward is the moral equivalent of a mudshark.

    Yes. The story asks if the most pathetic — as opposed to the most evil — representative of each sex can find redemption. The bigger picture is that neoliberalism (or whatever you want to call this program of dissolving nations) brings out the worst in everyone. Casualties litter this landscape.

    — what is the coward afraid of?

    Unspecified. It’s a given here. Cowardice is a quality of character that informs all of a man’s motives and actions. The angel’s comment “you have nothing” establishes him a loser and his fear of showing up at 8:00 confirms his cowardice.

    Mind you, fear alone is nor cowardice. Inaction in face of fear is. Fearlessness alone is not courage, as nobody admires a sloppy drunk opening a set or getting into a big dude’s grill.

    I’m working with minimalist form, making each story eight lines long. You can read it on a metaphoric as well as on the literal level. Is an intersection an actual road or a decision point that he and she are “familiar with”? What is the fire — a literal car accident or a metaphoric purifying flame? Also, what is that “talent” that the angel mentions? The Milton sonnet I mentioned clarifies that. And Milton himself was writing about the parable of talents from Matthew (I think). You can see each story as a parable of the squandering of capital.

    — some alt-righters like to think that White women go with nogs because White men reject them.

    It’s overwhelmingly the case. Not all white men though, just the attractive ones.

    — Coal burners don’t want White babies. They want to spawn more of nikcrit

    They don’t go into it wanting a biracial baby. They go into it for the same reason any female goes into a sexual relationship: to fuck. Especially when we’re talking about nonmarital relations. Babies are an oops, which is why birth control and abortion are popular.

    — then [mudsharks] find an obedient white weakling to pay the bills.

    True, in sofaras you qualify that with ‘weakling.’ 

    Whenever you write about women, I get this image of a virago in stiletto heels strutting over prostrate males. You ascribe nonexistent power to women. Maybe it’s different in your area, but from my perspective mudsharks are by and large (heh) pathetic and alienated. They do put on a hard cynical front though (underneath of which there is little soft substance any more), for good reason.

  12. They don’t go into it wanting a biracial baby.

    Au contraire— I see many-upon-many 25-and-under women say they want precisely such a baby….. I interpret it as 1) One of many results of their being incubated by a tepid-yet-rabidly ‘diversity minded’ popular culture, and; 2) their resulting personal ethos from being in such a culture has them thinking a mixed baby covers the zeitgeist, so to speak; in this environment, one often hears young, unformed pronouncements that equate biological racial admixture to be synonymous with social idealism and social nobility.

    [I heard an actress or such on a shock jock radio show some years back get blindsided by her host’s “do you date black guys” inside joke question and her stammering “no… but I wouldn’t mind” out of obvious deference to pc. Those girls tell you that personally?

    I’ve never heard of any White woman of any age actively and sincerely express a desire in having a brown baby. — PA]

    To be clear, I find such tepid social platitude probably as squalid as you do, though for differing reasons —– but trust that such sentiment IS out there and in abundance.

    [I flat-out don’t believe you.]

    Sometimes it seems our blog host gets a bit overly adamant with his beliefs on this issue, particular when ‘one of his own’ puts forth a view on ‘mudsharking’ that’s at odds with the ever-thickening Alt-right orthodoxy on said matter. lol!

    [add that to other ever-thickening orthodoxies: setting puppies on fire is bad, ice cream and onion don’t go together well.]

  13. I don’t share PA’s strong views against mixing, but I’m also not one who ever had much of an interest in it. My husband and I are similar ethnically, even though I didn’t set out looking for that. As someone who isn’t the most together person, I’ve always been more attracted to responsible men. I didn’t want to have to take care of anyone. That ruled out a lot of black men right there.

  14. “Those girls tell you that personally?”

    Yes! Absolutely! And please trust that I have no goal of intentionally putting forth a loaded or biased recollection.

    Look, we’re interacting on a relatively novel medium, at least historically speaking: twenty years ago, two people of our backgrounds and social preferences and tendencies very likely would not be encountering each other; we quite naturally would be f2f-surrounded for the most part with those that agree with our views —— not out of dogma, but out of intuitive serendipity.

    Bottom line: it makes sense that we disagree and that we each seem incredulous toward the others’ personal experience on this matter: I work in a school district in which over 35% of the white female teachers, administrators and other staff are married or have formed interracial families —– and I don’t think it’s the result of any particular social-missionary venture, but rather just natural interaction; even in the suburbs I’ve lived in, I for good reason naturally gravitated toward middle-to-upper-middle center-left cliques in which cross-ethnic pairings were either coincidentally common to mildly feted, in ways both of us have at times deemed silly or pretentious or merely ho-hum biz-as-usual.

    Is it really surprising that Nikcrit and his clan interact more with center-left folk more inclined toward casual-to-romantic interracial relationships than does Mr. and Mrs. PA and the boys during their respective recreational weekend downtime?

    Of course not. In any case, I’m not lying or ‘juicing the stats;’ i’m just conveying my anecdotal experience and pointing out that it shouldn’t be surprising that my and your anecdotal experiences vary in the extreme. (To me, this jibes with my frequent mention of how for the most part white ingenuity and technology creates game-changers generation-to-generation; we now talk and share a level of intellectual intimacy, via 21st-century digital communication technology, that would be very, very unlikely if it was only twenty years ago.

    “I don’t share PA’s strong views against mixing, but I’m also not one who ever had much of an interest in it.”

    I didn’t really phrase my statement/question to you properly; not so interested in your personal view re. miscegenation; but rather what a white or black female, or for that matter any demographically disassociated and thus disinterested party would think of the alt-right’s frequently portraying and vilifying participants of interracial interaction in a cartoonishly redemptive vein, i.e., ‘”burning the mud” or “branding or cutting off the hair of mudsharks,” —- – the whole alt-right tendency for publicly sharing their revenge fantasies toward those who engaged in interracial sex.

    IMHO, I can’t think of a single better way of creating cross-racial intrigue in an otherwise young and disinterested white female. It’s right out of the PUA book, in fact! lol!!

  15. I work in a school district in which over 35% of the white female teachers, administrators and other staff are married or have formed interracial families

    35%? No way that can be true unless that’s a tiny, tiny sample size.

    On average less than 7% of white women marry outside their race nationally. B-W pairings are most common in military towns or working class areas in the South, not in places like Milwaukee where all of the region’s blacks are crammed tightly into 3 or 5 neighborhoods and blacks generally attend public schools that .

    Blacks are doing the worst in places like Minnesota or Wisconsin, their poverty rates are sky high and blacks there tend to attend schools that are overwhemingly black. High segregation decreases the chances of B-W pairings by an awful lot.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/12/interracial-marriage-who-is-marrying-out/

    And within this 7% “outmarriage” figure it should be noted that white women are far more likely to marry an Asian or “Hispanic” rather than a black male – a lot of the recent rise in interracial unions is driven by the W-H and W-A pairings in the Southwest and West coast.

    And degreed white women are far less likely than other white women to marry outside their race, especially black males due to the class issues involved.

  16. Yes! Absolutely!

    That’s what I thought. Sounds like they were being normal women, being nice to you. Don’t listen to what they say, watch what they do. It’s from the PUA book, in fact! lol!!

  17. “And within this 7% “outmarriage” figure it should be noted that white women are far more likely to marry an Asian or “Hispanic” rather than a black male “

    the figure i cited included all NAM and non-NAM races, but i would guess that blacks were still the most common minority in that equation, they or Hispanics…… The upper Midwest does not have a very large Asian population…….

    Hence the 35% seeming doubtful to you? Who knows? That figure could include everything from white females marrying coal-black men to incognito Asian banana’s like you! lol!!

  18. “That’s what I thought. Sounds like they were being normal women, being nice to you.”

    Lol! No, you don’t get it. Or more you simply can’t even fathom the kind of white female I’m speaking of…. lower-to-lower-middle-class, some middle class; product of urban public-school districts, who move on to the local commuter urban UW branch or the area technical colleges….. These women range in looks from below-average to striking, speak in urban dialect…. to them, cable television like “The Housewives of Atlanta” is something to rush home for. …. It’s like I said; this lot is so far removed from you and your sensibilities that you can only assume I’m putting out some wishful projections….Not everyone pedestalizes non-liberal white yuppie-dom. Its merit is yours to define, but it’s not some objective absolute measure, nor something that everyone aspires to if they can possibly attain it.

    [to the extent you’re telling the truth, we’re talking complete and utter depravity. Not the mere ‘sharking (which is impulsive and hormonal) but a White woman’s active desire for a non-White child. I am not a yuppie and I don’t live in a bubble, I see my share of white-trash, but this is completely unheard of. In isolated cases that can be written off as mental illness or some other kind of fuck up, a calf shatched by jackals as part of nature’s culling of the weak. Or simply something to be regarded as a vive l’difference oddity. But on a larger scale (which I do not believe that this occurs on) we’re talking systemic national failure. A Defcon event that presents us with a choice of reset vs extinction. –PA]

  19. Those are the women who should be trying to marry up. They are going to end up with kids in the underclass if they marry beneath themselves.

  20. I guess this is the biweekly mudsharking flame war…
    I’ve noticed no one ever talks about black women in these discussions. It’s as if they don’t exist in the equation. We all know of black women who are just as vocal and vitriolic about mudsharking as PA is.

  21. PA, lara,

    I’m not advocating; i’m describing a very real and relatively sizable part of the urban demographic…..

    PA: you’re gloom is fantastical; I cannot believe you don’t see a sizable such chunk in the D.C.-Baltimore area; in fact, I’m pretty sure you and SOBL discussed at length how you’d see “Mudshark hair” or whatever on such girls in a working-class area of Baltimore, the place where, coincidentally, some ‘hot’ WWE promoter was raised or something, no? In any case, I don’t know if we’re talking past each other, but I am talking about something that is fairly common. You just understandably choose to live in a very, very white subset of the urbane whole…… And with all due respect, you fit well into a non-vituperatively cast ‘yuppie’ label: full-time professional, wife, kids, health clubs, weekend happy hour imbiber of microbrews…… I’m just saying, dude.

    [Some things one has to be fanatical about. Again, I’m not denying that ‘sharks exist or saying that once there, they don’t acculturate to low class black norms. I’ve seen gutter level white trash as near norm: example being a tatted pig with a (White) child telling a cashier that she don’t need no man cause her son is all the man she needs. What I’m denying is that there are White women in significant numbers who want to have a mystery meat baby. — PA]

  22. Those white women sound as if they basically consider themselves black. There is another level of lower middle class to middle class people who try to distance themselves from blacks and their dysfunction. They know it wouldn’t take much to end up in the lower classes themselves.

  23. I have a white kid in my neighborhood who falls into this category. He and his half brother are being raised by their grandparents. The grandparents are responsible, but his mother is a screw up. His father is trying to get himself together with mixed success. When this kid had to chose a player for a video game he straight up refused to take the black player. He is not overtly racist, either.

  24. Can anyone else “see” this game as the battle of self-denial? The alt-rite seemingly denies just that raw “white” female degenerate… That “white” female immersed in a “life” of self-annihilation to which miscegenation is merely one aspect (but largely in line with hatred of the father). And Nikcrit, it’s as though he cannot “see” that if you feed a newborn puppy, dog shit, right from his beginning and give him nothing else that you cannot then pat yourself on the back for publicly recognizing how your good, little puppy eats dog shit.

    The radicals believe that because so many mirror their self-annihilating ways that this then translates into being a great puppy master.

    So there is a convergence where the issue of healthy-minded white female and miscegenating is concerned. First, there is raw desire and temptation to eat dog shit sometimes covered in gold and chocolate and then there is the shit-giving of the zeitgeist on its mass scale.

    Each side, wedded to their own radical autonomy, persist in a denial as a matter of maximizing their respective autonomy’s.

  25. A race of people reject miscegnation because they reject a purposeful racial self-annihilation. One reason “we” despise “black” male/”white” female miscegnating is because “we” recognize that the individual “black” male HAS NO IMPERIAL INSTINCT… He has no real conviction in assimilating another “remnant” of “white supremacy.” In short, he do “white” girl fo’ fun and game. And to the flip side is something quite equally devoid of imperial spirit. A real desire to be assimilated and racially annihilated, the degenerate-minded “white” female is lost in the zeitgeist.

  26. “I’ve noticed no one ever talks about black women in these discussions. It’s as if they don’t exist in the equation. We all know of black women who are just as vocal and vitriolic about mudsharking as PA is.”

    Yeah, I’ve made note of that. And I actually sort-of act as ‘devil’s-advocate’ re. that issue, making it a point to observe and inquire of certain black female attitudes re. miscegenation.
    My gut would lead me to believe what you (MGE) says —– that black females are uniformly against bm-wf relationships —– but in truth, I don’t see that because, i think, prole black females, pretty much of any age, don’t define ‘black’ via phenotype, but much more so via dialect, and class-affiliation…. i.e., the black girls i casually converse with don’t resent Kim Kardashian; in fact, they don’t consider her to be white. I know, me too — but they don’t. For one reason, I bet, it’s because many females who are technically, racially ‘black’ are lighter in physical phenotype than Kardashian.
    This is another issue that perhaps you and Camlost can back me up on: it’s my claim that blacks, much more than whites, define ‘race’ by language, dialect and self-affiliation and loyalties than they do strictly on skin color. Anyhow, I’d freely admit that ‘color’ is an issue within intra-black female class consciousness; within the black world romantically, lighter-skinned black females are more highly valued than dark-skinned black females, while the effect is neutral to outright inverted when considering intra-black black-male SMV—-BUT: despite that awareness among black females, I sincerely don’t think they resent white females, or that a ‘white female’ is valued more sexually than a light-skinned black female. I think such a presumption is a white conceit, though it makes sense and almost seems logical to think as much.

    Perhaps the racial dynamic among black men works like this: they like a light-skinned black female, perhaps even to the point of her looking like a ‘white woman,’ but they’d prefer her speech, dialect and self-image be that of a black female…. Still, even if you consider that, I think black and black-cultured mean would prefer a lighter, dark-haired attractive female who may or may-not seem ethnically black over an outright blonde-haired, Nordic-looking white female.

    In any case, I’m not entirely sure exactly how the eros, mythos and pathos interacts and emerges. But I am quite sure it’s a lot more complicated than one immediately thinks.

  27. There is something much simpler at play in regards to “black” females against bm/wf miscegenating and that is their recognizing of the fact that modern “black” male plunders degenerate “white” female for fun and games AND NOT FOR THE RACIAL STRUGGLE. Once, the black woman gave her “black men” unspoken approval to taint “white supremacy” by “any means necessary.” This is no longer the case because the “struggle” is largely media-manufactured bs. Even “black” female can “see” the concerted effort to exalt “white” female by way of supplicating modern “black” male which ultimately comes at her expense.

  28. Thor,
    Any racial theory you put forth —— but especially ones that involve eros and miscegenation—- why is so coincidental that the most natural, noble and truly ‘God-like’ are those that benefit, exalt and reify you and yours specifically?

    I mean, isn’t that a bit too convenient? Anything that doesn’t fall into your personal order is debauched and impure.

  29. Nikcrit,
    To answer your question, I think the best way to have your daughter marry a quality man is to be one yourself. Also, having a strong relationship with her while she is growing up will help make your approval valuable to her.

  30. Hence the 35% seeming doubtful to you? Who knows? That figure could include everything from white females marrying coal-black men to incognito Asian banana’s like you! lol!!

    LOL, ok good one.

    But 35% is for a place like Milwaukee. In a state that is 88 PERCENT non-Hispanic white.

    Seriously, both “pure” whites and blacks would be locally extinct in SE Wisconsin within 15 years if this number was anywhere even close to being correct, because you’d have only have a generation of mulatto superbabies and not much else.

    Please don’t go innumerate on us like your boy Obsidian, I swear that fool couldn’t be capable of getting through Algebra 1.

  31. “But 35% is for a place like Milwaukee. In a state that is 88 PERCENT non-Hispanic white.”

    IDK, Cam. I can’t find the pinterest photo essay and corresponding stats; it was something like that. Whatever the precise metric, it didn’t pique my casual, anecdotal sense of witnessing as much: you got to remember, the biggest by far interracial mix in Brewtown is among Hispanics and Poles (sorry, PA); the biggest demographic wipeout story in this state is how the near south-side of Milwaukee used to connote this charming mix of beer and sausage pubs, run by Poles and Germans —— but who now totally mixed and got overwhelmed by the influx of Hispanics over the last 40 years, to the point where the near-south-side is now totally Hispanic, and the mixes and purebred Germans and Poles have been pushed into the bordering south-side suburbs and distant reaches of the city proper. (not to be gratuitious, but i always found very aesthetically pleasing the many Pole-Mexican and German-Mexican mestizos here in town; I found it interesting the other day when you (Cam) went into that tangent about the particular beauty and charisma of Polish women, which I would define as an open and innocent demeanor or ‘feature-overlay’ that compliments their otherwise sharp and symmetrically pleasing features; I wanted to ‘second’ your observation and then add this one, but wasn’t sure if our host wanted to hear it at that point. lolzz).

    However, my point here is that I’m sure much of that 30%+ figure is comprised of white-Hispanic relationships, with the gender tabulation going both ways.

    By my lights, this is OK as long as both the distinct Hispanic and Polish aspects of the ancestry are maintained; however odd coming from me, I feel it would be a shame for the city to lose its old-town Germanic and Polish influences; but even in Chicago, where such a ethnic enclave still exists, there are signs of bastardization—– 21st-century corrupts ethnic purity via more ways than mere cultural, racial and ethnic miscegenation; European progress and technology does as much as well —– and those are things the alt-right and other r.r.-umbrella upstarts often brag about.

  32. “superbabies” LOL!

    Thanks for catching that. (*** pats self on back ***)

    But seriously, Trickdaddy has done gone crazy with these numbers – 35% !!!

    In a state that’s 6% black !!

    That means every brother is married to 3+ white women, and black women are just standing there barren, pristine, unsexed and childless (lmao) because why would brothers bother with them at those miscegenation rates.!!

    Seriously, that region will be ground zero for your Superman theory here within 5 to 7 years.

  33. Once all those Superkids come of age Trickin’ is going to head there and set himself up as leader – does anyone remember “The Emperor Jones” by Eugene O’Neil. 🙂

  34. @Cam,
    No! It was a figure and accompanying photo essay that I found while we all were debating some similar topic —- i think back at 28Sherman —— but I can’t find it now and am hesitant to go into detail for purposes of anonymity; the figure was an assessment of district employees marriage/relationship/personal background along ethnic lines—– NOT the city proper; and it also included Hispanics, which probably meant the many-upon-many Polish-and-German-Mestizos I noted upthread.

    I’m sure you realize that the cities in my state are a bit demographically askew from those up at the tippy-top of Wisconsin, no? (There was a time during my own lifetime when you’d be hard-pressed to find more than a half-dozen black Americans north of Green Bay. Lolzz!)

  35. Yes, but another thing is that recent Hispanic immigrants are NOT the type that marry white in any high numbers. They’re overwhelmingly of Indio/Native Mexican origin – short, squat, dusky and with serious language problems – some of them even still speak a pre-literate native Mexican language and don’t know Spanish.

    The highest white/hispanic mixing goes in the Southwest, far west and Florida – where you have Hispanics with longer 2-4 generation roots, and who speak English natively – think George Zimmerman and his fat white wife. Whatever Hispanics are flooding in to Milwaukee neighborhoods since the Reagan years cannot possibly speak English at a decent rate except for the children under 10, anyone older than that just jumped the border themselves and aren’t even second generation.

    But I do think you’ll make a fine ruler for this generation of superkids. You’ll be very Westernized and Euro-friendly and educated in the finest American schools like so many post-colonial African leaders. 🙂 🙂 🙂

  36. the many Pole-Mexican and German-Mexican mestizos here in town

    “Many…” What’s in the MN/WI drinking water supply? I’ve never been up there but Baltimore should be analogous. There was a large residential Polish community there in the early 80s but most have assimilated to White middle class America and moved out to the suburbs. They still visit on weekends if they go to the ethnic parish or to one of the ethnic Polish delis. It’s actually a pretty robust community, but no different than mainstream America except for the fact that the younger kids understand Polish fluently but speak it with a strong American accent.

    One thing I never see is any Mestizo/Euro mixing or its results. Latin Americans didn’t spread in large numbers beyond the US southwest until the mid-90s and most remain an insular but large demographic of mostly laborers who have no cultural connection with Whites and who speak primarily Spanish.

    Nikcrit writing his own porn?

  37. “Nikcrit writing his own porn?”

    That is insane; I’m typing today’s comments from absolute Ground Zero of the points I’m making; perhaps it’s more a case of ethnic replacement than amalgamation —– but I do see many-upon-many figurative “Luz Pozorskis” and “Consuela Bartkowicz,” I swear.

    I mean, I’ve got no dog in this fight; I’m a W.African-Swiss-Swede mutt who’s got nary a drop of Hispanic or Slavic blood in him.

  38. Wow! Robeson did a Eugene O’Neill play?
    That’s crazy….

    Nonetheless, I don’t know what I said that was so outrageous; I’ve never as much as embellished a stat here even when I’m personally vested or interested inasmuch —— which I’m not in this particular instance.

  39. Cam,
    what you say isn’t true here; there aren’t that many “South-American”-type Mexicans, ethnically speaking; the whole “short and squat’ stereotype you mention; many different physical types —– many puerto ricans too, whom get confused in ignorant tallies….. IDK; i’m sure it’s very different in the midwest than it is crap-ass muggy Atlanta. lolzz.

  40. I mean, I’ve got no dog in this fight; I’m a W.African-Swiss-Swede mutt who’s got nary a drop of Hispanic or Slavic blood in him.

    Hey, I’d never accuse you of arguing in bad faith, but I’m having fun with that 35% number because I think you may have misremembered the exact figure. You’re just not thinking and possibly confusing a few anecdotal examples for big trends, kinda the same way that nerds like whiskey go to the mall and see a few BM-WF couples and determine that white women no longer copulate with white men (since whiskey himself spends so little time around 3-dimensional white women he figures this must be true)

    But considering that Wisconsin is only 12% NAM you wouldn’t have enough brown men to go around. If the 12% NAM population is tying down 35% of white women that means that around 60-80% of married brown males are getting hitched to white women in that area. wow !!

    And isn’t Milwaukee consistently voted the most segregated big city in the USA for blacks? Yes or no.

    By your numbers, aspiring white female miscegenators would (literally) have to stand on the corner holding “will mudshark for cock” signs, or they’d have to pay the coyote smugglers to bring them a mestizo fresh from the border so that they could have a chance at getting one. The competition would be fierce. Maybe when all those ghetto blacks moved from Chicago to Wisconsin it wasn’t for the more generous welfare benefits in that state, it was to get 3-4 white women for each brother !!

    I distinctly remember the black leadership in Milwaukee being extremely militant and threatening massive violence back in the 90’s – I guess they pacified and co-opted them by giving them white chicks!!

  41. “But on a larger scale (which I do not believe that this occurs on) we’re talking systemic national failure. A Defcon event that presents us with a choice of reset vs extinction. –PA”

    PA you’re forgetting that most young women have grown up under a mulatto President for the last 7 years. How do you think that affected their socio-sexual cues?

    Yes man. Reset or extinction.

  42. Even more than that, every day young white females see white men walking on eggshells around blacks who themselves seem to have no concept of self-doubt. Stadiums full of cucked white males worshiping negros crashing into each other in polyurethane body armor as if they were gods of masculinity. And stuff like this:

    https://kakistocracyblog.wordpress.com/2015/11/19/a-sweet-gesture/

    By all appearances in our culture, the White man worships the great Emperor Mandingo and the courageous Congoid is the master race of the future. I hate to say it, but if I was a white female, the duty to preserve my race would be heavily at odds with my hypergamous drive. All the cues in my environment show me that white men are conquered weaklings who are on the way out of the gene pool.

  43. cam, here me loud and clear: the demo in my figures were the city district teachers, administrators and other employees within…… that caveat, plus the fact that it included white-Hispanic mixes or ‘mestizos,’ should greatly alleviate the doubts.

    Still, your figs surprised me; living in the city, i feel like i’m around nams all the time and at all levels……it’s funny what they say about black test scores being the worst in wisconsin and minnesota; i guess i just liked it here; i can’t imagine a better place to raise kids, white or black, than wisconsin or minnesota——– perish the thought, though, of raising kids down south or in D.C. or Boston.. we all got our biases; cheers to cool, dry weather and unlimited easy and free parking!!!!! (hammered out on a smart phone)

  44. https://kakistocracyblog.wordpress.com/2015/11/19/a-sweet-gesture/

    Heretic, the “anecdote” here was so vague as to be completely useless.

    I hate to say it, but if I was a white female, the duty to preserve my race would be heavily at odds with my hypergamous drive. All the cues in my environment show me that white men are conquered weaklings who are on the way out of the gene pool.

    Please don’t turn Whiskey on us, we’ve got enough of those in the alt right already.

  45. i guess i just liked it here; i can’t imagine a better place to raise kids, white or black, than wisconsin or minnesota

    I want to spend two weeks up there sampling the brats in WI and fishing for muskie and pike in MN. We have chain pickerel down south, they’re fun to catch but much, much smaller.

  46. (American women) x (public school employees) x (nikcrit’s high society) x (trickin’s recollection of same)

    equals 35 %

    But like on the real and shit, what’s the over / under for the percentage of Milwaukee employees of the public schools who are white female AND have a significant other AND that significant other is non-white?

    I put it at 15.5

  47. An acquaintance who is mulatto used to teach in the public schools in NYC, at the junior high or high school level.

    As i recall he was not a certified teacher for this state but he qualified there. Anyways he was not a big tough guy but apparently was able to handle those kids.

    Anyways he was a ‘charmer’ (as they say) and i bet he stuck his dick in 20 of his co-workers. Fuckin prick.

  48. I guess this is the biweekly mudsharking flame war…

    It had been too long …

    I’ve noticed no one ever talks about black women in these discussions

    At Caribou recently the barista was a black girl no older than 22, and she was BY FAR the most pleasant and pleasing of the six or 10 girls her age, who work up there. I said thank you (for my coffee) and she replied “It was my pleasure” with very much a look to go with it, and i got to thinking what it be like to game her.

    I came up with a line which goes something like, Do you have any talent?

    It is not an original line and the kids will recognize it for exactly what it is: an invitation to make sweet sweet love.

    But i could use that line because i have plausible deniability. I don’t get my dick sucked too often, but it happens once in awhile and these things have their own rhythm and schedule.

  49. It was just fun to get that obvious come-on, from a PYT. It was clear she took care of herself.

    But white women, white girls, whatever they are called, have very much of an attitude. I can’t really even get into the topic.

    There has been a lot written on it. Not so much here (with some exceptions) but elsewhere in the sphere.

    But what can you say? they have forgotten how to be charming. That feminine charm is now ANACHRONISTIC.

    Yeah baby! that’s the ticket: feminine charm is anachronistic. Nowadays they just want to stretch their yoga tight against their area and then dispense with the losers with the vag-denial symbol move where they grab the hem of their blouse with both hands and hike it down to cover their rear end, and act put-upon for the lascivious and lecherous losers who can’t stop looking at them!

    H/t btw Suburban_elk for the phrase: vag-denial symbol move. If ever a complex gesture was in need of a name, …

  50. My self-congratulatory h/t is not meant to be italicized. The italics were meant in the previous paragraph to indicate the “thought” process by which women tell themselves they are thinking.

  51. I was thinking on the busride home, how there is a lot more to be said, about all these things going on around.

    Personally i am a little bit overwhelmed and frustrated and worn-out and tired, and don’t know that i will be able to bring to bear the focus and concentration, to speak on the state of affairs of our common culture, beyond my own problems. But that state of affairs remains in chaos, and tomorrow will be much like today only moreso.

    Interesting times is the cliche that has become overdrawn, but i like to think how much it is an opportunity for anyone to make his mark, and to become known for a contribution in describing things.

    I myself am certainly interested in hearing someone describe my experience, or their experience and what we have in common; and find it VERY MUCH LACKING. No offense to my fellow readers and participants, but if there were someplace else i would be there now.

    So i call on you to draw your sword and mark these days our times.

  52. Your swords, damnit, your swords.

    There are many swords, not just one.

    Can you imagine, like, jousting. Do you think that you could do it, or could have done it?

    I would say that an equivalent skill might be pole vaulting. How many have the combination of strength speed and coordination to pole vault 3 meters?

    But jousting would be much more dangerous, for obvious reasons. Someone just as big and bad, and just as DESIROUS, was out to un-horse you.

  53. — I myself am certainly interested in hearing someone describe my experience

    To ask is to receive. I had something sitting in the Drafts folder and I’ve been feeling meh about it but it fits the description.

  54. nikcrit
    They don’t go into it wanting a biracial baby.
    Au contraire— I see many-upon-many 25-and-under women say they want precisely such a baby….. I interpret it as 1) One of many results of their being incubated by a tepid-yet-rabidly ‘diversity minded’ popular culture, and; 2) their resulting personal ethos from being in such a culture has them thinking a mixed baby covers the zeitgeist, so to speak; in this environment, one often hears young, unformed pronouncements that equate biological racial admixture to be synonymous with social idealism and social nobility.
    —————————-

    Nikcrit FTW
    Exhibit A: Barack Obama; is there any larger personification of race mixing kudos than a black president of the United States,

    [He’s a fay twink who really dropped the ball on playing the cool black friend — PA]

    raised by a white SJW single mom? I think there is also an unspoken symbolic skin color dialogue that occurs in both white males and females; but I’ll come back to that later.

    Nikcrit, Ive had the skin color discussion with 3 different white girls (yes I was fucking them); twice unprompted. Ive come to the conclusion that most white people are to one extent or another, color struck. You may get the “look” when the elevator doors open; but that color struck question is a rare discussion and I suspect the holy grail of something very, very white.

    They see color as not only something different, but something extra; like having a tail, or scales, pointed ears, fangs… this is what I mean when I say they are color struck .

    The reason I know they are is because I was too. I had at least 5 white girlfriend before I ever slept with a black chick; so when a white girlfriend came back from Portugal in February all golden brown. It struck me like I suspect it strikes them.

    [stop masturbating]

    My sister had to have an emergency cesarean section with my neice at 7 1/2 months because she had developed a fever and the doctor were worried the baby would be damaged. Everything went OK but afterward the black nurse told my sister that during the procedure the white male doctor kept commenting on the baby’s paleness; he did this several times and finally the nurse told him the father was white and that the baby’s LACK of color is NOT a problem.

    [yeah, those dumb white doctors]

    Met a girl from deep Eastern Europe(yeah I was stabbin it). I asked her about black people in her country and she said she saw some on Tee-vee Tarzan, jungle stuff growing up; said she was 20 when she saw her first black man up close (at a track meet) I asked her what she thought and she said “wow”
    I busted out laughing and said “is that it?” She said “yeah wow” (she could probably explain more in her language) but I didn’t press her.

    [an alleged mudshark was impressed with a black athlete. never happened before.]

    Nikcrit, these guys can try to complicate things all they want; mud sharking, degeneracy, drugs… but at the end of the day its real simple, its PROXIMITY. If you put males and females together they are gonna fuck;

    [and if you put males and males together, the white ones will always make the black ones their bitches unless the black ones are protected by a global superpower.]

    you clowns ain’t fightin me, you fightin nature. Yeah Im kinda cut and I got high verbal and as a black guy, that often presents as game…

    [on the internet, everybody has a ten inch dick]

    but I also consider color symbolically from the white perspective. In nature, color is often a signal or cue for many things. Take off all your clothes and stand in front of a mirror; the darkest parts of your body are the most sensitive; many albinos are legally blind because they lack melanin in their eyes; whens the last time a white horse won the triple crown?

    [how many types of hair color or eye color do blacks have?]

    The rarest animal in the world is the albino octopus; he can’t change colors to save his life. *rimshot!*

    [bantus eat albino humans]

    “racial admixture to be synonymous with social idealism and social nobility.” –Nikcrit

    Nikcrit, can you not bring yourself too use the word COLOR?

    Are you afraid it might cause PA’s head to explode?

    [why are you drawing attention to nikcrit when he’s trying to lay low after being called out on his creative statistics and tales of hispanic-flavored milwaukee supermen?]

    Personally I think its normal for a female to want a baby (fuck trophy) after a while. So where does wanting a COLORED baby fit in?
    One theory is that white people subconsciously understand and have known for millennia that they too used to be colored.

    [I don’t mind your racial resentments. It’s the voodoo logic that will get you banned.]

    They suspect this because they have long know they can’t produce a baby darker than themselves but dark people can produce a baby lighter than themselves.. Colored people may remind white people of something they lost — their color; and its possible some or all of them ain’t alright with it?

    [seriously, this color thing… we can’t relate to that one iota. It’s like listening to martians go on about red rocks.]

    Don’t shoot, don’t shoot… Im just saying…

    If a white woman likes the color on me; why should she also not like it on her baby?

    If your answer is the potential racism the baby may face; you are still ducking the color question because white women do it in spite of racism so maybe the COLOR compels them to do it anyway?

    [clearly, the mystery meat babies ain’t good enough for their fathers though.]

    Maybe they want the only thing the white man cannot give them?

    (PAs head just exploded)

    [from boredom as this post trails on… ]

    PS–Nikcrit, are you familiar with the color signaling in the alpha male lions manes?

    [do they wear gloves and get acquitted?]

  55. PA, trust that I’m not laying low; I am feeling some cog&dis in that Thwack’s recent arrival for nightly diatribes herd are merging my weekday 9-5 with my evening blog commentary indulgences. Til now thy trains simply would never meet!

  56. The rarest animal in the world is the albino octopus; he can’t change colors to save his life.

    hahaha

  57. Jokes aside, white people do not lack for color. That is just backwards. White people have the most color.

    But that has already been hashed to death in Race Polemics 101.

    So what’s the argument, really?

    Some white chicks are confused and easy to take advantage of.

    That is the situation, no one is arguing that.

    To the victor goes the spoils. When blacks have so much influence on the Street, they reap a lot of rewards in the form of pussy.

    The issue of contention for this thread, i would say, is what is it like for a white woman to have a black child.

  58. The extent that white people have forsaken their public space; what could they expect to happen?

    Young people are still going to go out and be somewhere, and it’s a free-for-all and someone and more to the point, some group, is going to be dominant in that public space.

    A lot of how this Confusion of Public Space has played out in blacks’ favor, at least speaking of here in America, is very much circumstantial. Our public space went to hell because … it was neglected because we were too busy driving around in cars in service to the economy. And it really is as simple as that.

    No one around in the public space because everyone lives in their cars. And those circumstances have FAVORED blacks, for the various reasons that it does (favor blacks). Blacks are less likely to be in the service to the economy, blacks are less likely to be in cars, blacks have more time to be out hanging around, blacks have more time to spend together bonding and forming groups to their advantage.

    I see all that as circumstantial; but still those CIRCUMSTANCES have played on the WINNING traits of the black phenotype (or is it genotype? or is that distinction wrong to apply here?).

    Interestingly enough, Kunstler – who i fixate on but is deservedly unpopular around here – this morning made a comment on the “greater crisis of black manhood” which is comically and diametrically in error, in that black manhood has been brought out and worked into shape, in this environment; and it is white manhood that is in crisis. Kunstler oh Kunstler why must your blind spots be so predictable.

  59. “[He’s a fay twink who really dropped the ball on playing the cool black friend — PA]”

    Nonsense. You know better. Why not just re-register your disapproval at-large with the halfrican POTUS; instead, your forging pseudo-speculative conspiracy into things to balm your ‘hata’ impulse. To each his own, but by doing as much you’re selling off your cred in terms of future debate cred.

    Nikcrit FTW
    Exhibit A: Barack Obama; is there any larger personification of race mixing kudos than a black president of the United States,

    I agree; however, I find it depressing that such a fact is being used as a debate dagger; the b-w dichotomoy is just so ingrained in folks, they don’t see how it stifles yet keeps that stifled dialectic just going on and on and on and on.

    Barry is not some evil cabalist; Cam, after denying it a few years ago, even acknowledged that B.O. has acknowledged the feasibility of HBD; I guess it’s a coat-of-arms thing among these card-carrying alt-righters. I mean, it’s not my place to question the fraternity of the ‘white disposessed,’ or whatever —— but why do they have to throw their alleged superior intelligence in the trash in order to brandish their in-group loyalties. Jeee-zuss!

  60. “and it is white manhood that is in crisis”

    Is such topic somewhat taboo?

    There is a thing called the manosphere, but that is a much derided ideology, and as political advocacy it seems to be in even worse shape than white advocacy – if that is possible.

    I guess we have to credit to the men’s rights movement, for being the one advocacy group that is doing worse than WN or the alt-right or whatever the as yet to-be-named white people’s party will be called.

    I may not be getting this joke exactly right, but that is some funny shit.

    H/t to MRA: thank you, for being even more of a joke, than white advocacy.

    Here is where i would normally insert a circumcision, but that’s not funny now anymore neither.

    If i sound worn out and cynical, i am not. I just find it hard to believe that the cause of white men in America is reduced to anonymous blogs and dipshits such as me making its case.

    Truly talk about theater of the absurd. There are no white men willing to say that we want our own country, and we want it now.

    That is what we have to say because that is what we want.

    Or is that not what we want?

  61. “[He’s a fay twink who really dropped the ball on playing the cool black friend — PA]”

    Nonsense. You know better. Why not just re-register your disapproval at-large with the halfrican POTUS; instead, your forging pseudo-speculative conspiracy into things to balm your ‘hata’ impulse. To each his own, but by doing as much you’re selling off your cred in terms of future debate cred.

    It is hardly a stretch to call Obama a fay twink. Even if he has put his (admittedly alleged) dicksucking days behind him.

    A fey twink is a judgment and it that applies to that guy. Nothing speculative or conspiratorial about it.

  62. “It is hardly a stretch to call Obama a fay twink. Even if he has put his (admittedly alleged) dicksucking days behind him.”

    Well, that would be left to the moral interpretation tendencies of those privvy to the accusation.

    I simply meant my reply in the spirit of it being a controversial accusation of a public figure that, if it could be empirically proven, would cause a tremendous reaction that would be negative for that figure —– but that hasn’t happened, which I say means that no one has gathered such evidence.

    So to put it forth anyway is then bad-faith rumor -mongering; and in terms of said moral interpretation, it’s not about whether he may or may not approve of the act he’s suspected of committing, but rather the rumor-mongerer wants the ‘tremendous reaction’ and its inevitably negative consequence.

    That’s all that obviously matters.

    (I suppose next we’ll see a round of rumors in which it claims said charge IS quite provable —- but if only the liberal elite would stop suppressing its being put before the public. haha.

  63. Nikcrit…

    There is nothing convenient in realizing as a white male one’s only viable option is wS… All other “options” reduce to the innumerable acts of self-annihilation.

    The wS, the angry “black” female and the conservative black father ALL REJECT MISCEGENATION for the act of self-annihilation that it represents… In secular terms, those above reject miscegenating because they reject radical sexual autonomy, ie., deracination.

    What “we” witness is the basic mechanism at work in the creation of a “default elite.” Create of mass of individuals desirous of radical sexual autonomy and you create a mass of self-annihilators. Ergo, a “default elite” comes from nothing.

    Clearly, spirited white Supremacists must be the last to yield to this ideologically-induced pathological deracination AND naturally come to define a legitimate elite.

  64. Elk…

    Separation is too abstract… Sustained separation is desired. And this cannot ultimately derive from the negative ethos emanating from the radical “black” collective, but rather, must be manifest in the individual desire for objective Supremacy. It is desire for objective Supremacy that can generate and maintained a sustained separation.

    Why can’t Moldbug conceive The Land of white Supremacy?

  65. Barry is not some evil cabalist; Cam, after denying it a few years ago, even acknowledged that B.O. has acknowledged the feasibility of HBD;

    Well, yes and no – I just reminded everyone of the Sailer article about when Obama told some champion cross country athletes that they were great at the sport because they were “born” to do long distance due to bodily advantages like long limbs, great lung capacity. He cited a book he had read on the subject:

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/obama-is-a-genetic-determinist-when-it-comes-to-sports-talent

    But we all know that Obama thinks that evolution stopped at the neck. Might as well put that one on PA’s list of alt-right consensus points.

  66. PA, I didn’t want to criticize the whole premise of your thread, but once they go black do you knowingly want them back?

    If nothing else, the outsized STD risk is not worth it.

    [Do criticize!  it keeps me sharp and I plan on writing more ultra-short fiction. (while praise keeps me motivated. one needs both). I mentioned in the comments that at least consciously I did not plan for the two characters to meet. I had a different redemption in mind for each, which is not provided in the story. — PA]

  67. “Don’t listen to what they say, watch what they do. It’s from the PUA book, in fact! lol!!”

    I do; in fact, it’s incredibly consistent patterns I notice based in anecdotal experience that leads me to suggest the scenarios I do.

    But usually when you guys don’t like what “they do” vs. “what they say,” that’s when you guys go into “outliers are rare” discourses and covers, lol!

  68. That would be similar to a president praising Navy Seals for being organized and cooperative due to their Germanic roots.

  69. That would be similar to a president praising Navy Seals for being organized and cooperative due to their Germanic roots.

    I could see Obama praising Germans for their industriousness and precision if he was talking to Angela Merkel at a state function in Berlin. That’s just media-friendly fluff, and he’s quite good at that. He went to Ireland and had the whole “O’bama” thing where he praise the Irish and hammed it up at a bar and drank a pint of Guinness.

    But that’s just for positive rhetoric, he surely couldn’t ever agree with the other side of HBD. That’s how the new PC works.

    He’d surely never even consider the idea that blacks always lag in western countries because their dispositions and behavior aren’t particularly well-suited for success in capitalist economies. We all know that the “system” is the problem and a multi-point plan is the only solution – the mere mention of blacks being responsible for their own misery would have him ready to dispatch Loretta Lynch to personally round up and jail the mass of hate/crimethink violators within a 10-mile radius if he could get away with it.

  70. white diversity?

    White people who are racists often make the assertion that their different expressions of hair and eye COLOR some how qualifies white people for the title of “worlds most diverse people” (perhaps they are claiming diversity is a good thing?)

    [is that supposed to be a zing? — PA]

    This claim is false because its based on a false premise; the false premise that “diversity” is only those morphological features that present enough for the naked eye can see. Further more, these white COLOR features they call diverse are the result of reductive genetic processes; specifically mutations. These mutations do not and cannot produce NEW information. They simply “distort” existing information which the environment then selects for IF it is useful and/or at least not harmful.

    Blond and red hair is the result of the reduction or absence (loss) of several OTHER melanocytes; same with eye color.

    [and a truck is red once you wash all the mud off]

    Like leaves on a deciduous tree, the reds and yellows are present year round but obscured by the green COLOR of the chlorophyll

    Get it?

    To sum up; you can go to the black junk yard and find all the parts to build a white person; but you can’t go to the white junk yard and find all the parts to build a black person because some of the black parts are missing.

    [novice race realists go ‘muh iq.’ afrocentrists go ‘muh junk genes.’]

    “Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father?”

    “He told me enough!; he told me you killed him!”

    “No, I am your father”

    Oh Im sorry, did I break your concentration?

    You were saying something about diversity?, please continue…

    Oh you were finished?

    Well then please allow me to retort:

    What did the original DOG look like?

    What?

    say what again mother fucker!, I dare ya!, I double dare ya!

    He wwwas big?

    Go on…

    He wass black?

    Did he look like a Dachshund?

    [why is fucking a daschund the holy grail of so many bruvvvas?]

    What!

    POW!

    DID
    HE
    LOOK
    LIKE
    A
    DACHSHUND!

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    Then whya tryin to trick him?

    noooooo I didn’t!

    YES YOU DID!, YES YOU DID!

    [for all your self image of being some poetry slam rhyme spittin knowledge droppin black rhetoretician, your one-trick act was written by a white dweeb]

    Now,

    another common meme expressed by racist white people is that Obama is gay, effeminate or in some way unmasculine… I can kinda see what they mean but Im also suspicious because so much of what racists say is affirmational instead of empirical. In addition they may be unaware or unwilling to admit black males don’t have to act stereotypically “alpha” to be consider and/or perceived as masculine BY WHITE PEOPLE; especially white females.

    [studio gangstas wept]

    This is another one of those holy grails of something very, very white that white people don’t talk about in front of us.

    Sure, its possible Obama is a little bit “fruity”; but its also possible Obama learned to tone down his masculinity because white people (white men) are more comfortable with nerdy, cerebral black males who fufill the white racist dichotomy that a black male can be smart or virile but not both (white men wanna reserve that presence for themselves)

    [vladimir putin appreciated obama going easy on him. so did various arab and asian heads of state he bowed to so deep he bumped his nose on the floor tiles. and raul castro who grabbed obama by his wrist and flapped it around. I can continue but the audience gets the point]

    Ironically, when I tone down my game in order to matriculate in white jobs and/or social situations, it doesn’t reduce my access to pussy. I think a lot of black guys adopt this posture and Obama may be one of them?

    [I was out with a couple of friends a few weeks ago and had a black waiter who reminded me of you. he acted out the black-boy oedipal complex of at turns ingratiating himself to daddy and pushing his buttons. We found him mildly annoying. if he were white I’d peg him as a classic gamma]

    The key is, this behavior does not inoculate you from ALL racist attack; indeed, I suspect it sometimes incites it. When Im in full retard Carton/Poindexter mode it seems to tempt some white males to read it as a sign of weakness and “act out.”

    You need to understand, racists attack you because they are racists; NOT because of what YOU say or do.

    [the black boy oedipal complex. That’s something a commenter at CH several years ago coined. A concept to give more thought to.]

    Their racist behavior is not in your hands. But it is sometimes in the white womens hands. You see; when the white man ain’t lookin at YOU, he’s lookin at HER.

    And if SHE’S lookin at YOU… you get the picture?

    A white woman you don’t even know can cause you all kinds of problems and you don’t even know it?; sometimes they do this on purpose. White girl game is real and they have no problem using you as a “tool” to get the white man they want; or piss off the white man they hate.

    Obama was a young, handsome black male attending an ivy league college in the 1970s; he had to have been beating white girls off himself with a stick? The fact no women are coming forward to write books or discuss their relationships with him is intriguing on a number of levels?

    In the final analysis, Obama does have game and he is smart. You hafta give it up to him on that. Despite his background, he is completely comfortable being president of the United States; just look how he carries himself? Confident, cool, relaxed… even some swag at times.

    [2008 called. It wants its media crafting back]

    You guys call this “arrogance”; but for most of you, especially you old white farts, your provincial backgrounds disqualify you from making such assessments.

    Shut up and sit down.

    Lara (who was named by her parents for the son they never had)says:
    “Obama has a personality of someone who has had everything come easy to him in life.”
    ————
    Yes Lara, its called ACTING WHITE; maybe he’ll stop when you stop?
    M’kay?

    [seriously, why are you here doing what you do? you will never persuade anyone because your dialectic is weak and your rhetoric is familiar. you will never mindfuck anyone here because you aren’t insightful. Just getting white mans validation (negative, positive, doesn’t matter) to fulfill psychological needs none of us here can relate to?]

  71. Thwack…

    You discount multiple origins?

    You ABIDE by “common descent?”

    Meaning, “diversity” tells “us” nothing additional to the claim of ONE origin.

    In fact, there would still be “evolution” EVEN IF there was absolutely no diversity.

    So it is not at all clear what principled stand you are taking?

    No one conceives The Land of white Supremacy as keeping captive radical “white” female liberationists.

    Separation will provide a clarity in desire for “black” male and his environment like never before….

    You don’t write as a father with black daughters… IF you could then you would instinctively write from a position of rejecting her radical sexual autonomy because the logical conclusion becomes like “white light.” No black father worthy of the characterization advocates for his daughters’ radical sexual “selections.” To do such a thing, even implicitly AS a not yet to be father of daughters, is to be nigger-like.

  72. Obama was a young, handsome black male attending an ivy league college in the 1970s; he had to have been beating white girls off himself with a stick? The fact no women are coming forward to write books or discuss their relationships with him is intriguing on a number of levels?

    He was a skinny beanpole who looked like Curious George.

    But actually, we do know quite a bit about several of Obama’s former white girlfriends, especially the wealthy Australian Genevieve Cook. But Obama showed excellent foresight in (apparently) dating only well-to-do white women, who have the class and desire to keep relationship matters private and not spread all of their prior business in the street, like endlessly dramatic black women are wont to do.

    And Obama’s biggest stroke of genius was knowing that he could not advance far in politics if married to a white woman. As a matter of fact he also foresaw the need to star far away from traditional black leaders to early in his career – try finding a photo of him with Al Sharpton before the 2012 election, but no the Reverend Al has been to the White House 60-70 times per year since then.

    And there’s ZERO evidence that Obama ever dated a black woman before Michelle – see Harold Ford, Junior’s political implosion to find out what happens to black American politicians that marry white women. You have no power base on either side. I’d call it the ultimate sacrifice having to give up white women for that oversized, awkward, entitled, shitty thesis producing simian of a wife he has now.

    “Obama has a personality of someone who has had everything come easy to him in life.”

    He was raised by white people, who gave him a stable, k-selected upbringing that allowed him to have the right disposition to move through the political ranks. He’s the perfect white guilt, Dennis Haysbert candidate that enabled many liberal whites to felt cathartic about noticing black incompetence. Had he been raised in a black household he never would’ve had the same ease and lack of overt anger and aggression that hamper black politicians from achieving high office.

  73. This claim is false because its based on a false premise; the false premise that “diversity” is only those morphological features that present enough for the naked eye can see.

    LMAO… as Sailer always says, blacks are quite diverse… in the genes that don’t mean anything. But in all other ways blacks are about the most predictable people on the planet, bar none. They vote for the same candidates, eat the same food, obsess over the same music, regurgitate the same tired slogans, have the same terrible money management and materialistic tendencies yet spend bizarrely little effort countering the stereotypes that they claim to despise so very much.

    Yet if you look at the postings we get here from Thwack, ranging from the comical semi-boasting on sexual matters to the passive/aggressive threats that he thinks to be effective, you see a picture of blacks still sitting there highly pleased with themselves thinking that they are so mysterious, inexorable and inscrutable to white people. ROFLMAO That explains their penchant for making up “exotic” names that mean absolutely nothing.

  74. — the postings we get here from Thwack, ranging from the comical semi-boasting on sexual matters to the passive/aggressive threats

    Thwack, it was fan to trash-talk with you but it’s time to call it quits. You can still do your one-a-day comment but if it does the things Camlost describes above, I will ask you to stop commenting here.

  75. thwack your octopus joke was pretty good, but this today is weak sauce, teenaged-level stuff.

    You don’t know your audience, at all.

    You are telling yourself that ‘we are like that’ for your own reasons. You have that idea in your head, and you are playing from that outdated script.

  76. Cam
    “PA, I didn’t want to criticize the whole premise of your thread, but once they go black do you knowingly want them back?

    If nothing else, the outsized STD risk is not worth it.”

    I’ve come to the conclusion that we can’t exclude women from our future for interracial sexual experimentation, otherwise we might as well just throw in the towel and go extinct.

    Before I knew better even I racemixed once when I was young (I had NEVER been taught a “racist” idea in my life). But as I was doing it I could feel it was wrong, fundamentally because I wouldn’t want to have a mixed-race baby.

    I think the ones who actually crap out a niglet have a biracial child – or want to – are dead to us. But it’s possible that there’s too many and we will just have to cattle them for our race to survive.

  77. Also the confrontational style is not cutting, it’s a tell.

    I am 100 per cent willing to engage and allow for adult criticism and conversation; but this wham bam thwack stuff is for kids.

    Presume that you are speaking to your equals, you can be sure that they are out there. That’s Adult Internet 101.

    Talk about grandiose and delusional: the self-image that this black guy has in his head that he is going to … do what exactly, put us in our place?

    Everything he is doing is about his own drama, and where he fits into a hierarchy wherein the race categories are bumping up against each other and not settled.

  78. “where he fits into a hierarchy wherein the race categories are bumping up against each other and not settled”

    That is the situation, and it is natural that people of the contesting races are trying to establish their position. But the take of this character thwack is a bad cartoon.

    It’s Super Blackman!

    It’s not even a bad joke, it doesn’t even qualify.

  79. “This claim is false because its based on a false premise; the false premise that “diversity” is only those morphological features that present enough for the naked eye can see.”

    LMAO… as Sailer always says, blacks are quite diverse… in the genes that don’t mean anything.

    Right. I pretty much stopped reading there. If someone is going to act like they know about something they don’t, it goes to show that they are used to dealing with fools.

    Lewontin’s fallacy was not easy for me, a non-science guy, to understand, but the basis of it is that most genes do not affect appearances and behavior and fitness, and that most genes do not matter; and it is the differences that matter.

    It’s the differences that matter.

    Which comports with common sense. There’s more genetic variation within Chihuahuas than between Chihuahuas and Great Danes, but that genetic variation within the breed is not what makes the differences that matter to their breed and fitness and survival; the differences that make them who they are, as dogs.

  80. I’ve come to the conclusion that we can’t exclude women from our future for interracial sexual experimentation, otherwise we might as well just throw in the towel and go extinct.

    Hmmmm I agree that such things can be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. I don’t brag like others here but I’ve been with more than 1 or 2 women myself and I’m not foolish enough to think that there hasn’t been “experimentation” for some of them prior to being with me.

    But I don’t agree that the alternative to shunning the mudshark is extinction. Not at all. Maybe for you. As the good book says, if your right hand offends thee, cut it off – maybe it’s better to proceed into the hereafter that way.

    Before I knew better even I racemixed once when I was young (I had NEVER been taught a “racist” idea in my life). But as I was doing it I could feel it was wrong, fundamentally because I wouldn’t want to have a mixed-race baby.

    Thankfully, even in the horniest and dumbest of my youthful anti-racist wigger days I’ve never felt the least bit attracted to black women to make this a reality despite their endless and enduring interest in me.

  81. Yet if you look at the postings we get here from Thwack, ranging from the comical semi-boasting on sexual matters to the passive/aggressive threats that he thinks to be effective, you see a picture of blacks still sitting there highly pleased with themselves thinking that they are so mysterious, inexorable and inscrutable to white people.

    Blacks would be better off if they were not having to impress whites.

    However, it is working for them. See for example the President of the United States of America. What a dull fish he is, and yet people were taken with him.

    For the record he does (or did) have a little of bit of ‘flair’ and charm, but just a reasonable above average amount of that stuff; and that was all it took. With just that modestly above average amount of charm, he was able to charm a nation? as some exotic mysterious man from the Islands with magical mysterious hoodoo powers who was going to (get this) … heal a nation?

    How’s that working out, America?

  82. It doesn’t matter whether thwack is a troll because fundamentally, “he” is always striking from the position of anti-wS… As “feminist,” as crypto-Jew, as real confident “black” male… As high IQ “white” male liberationist?

    Young white boys should be able to come here is learn how to steer the debate back towards wS.

    Thwack’s point seems clear enough to me…

    Very few here have a coherent conception of a viable white race… Very few have a sustainable conception of regenerate white man. Most are ultimately ethnically chauvinistic or subtly seeking a dubious collective passively labeled a “movement.”

    Where thwack falls short is believing that he is ultimately at odds with those that share a mutually-manufactured identity crisis.

    The real life thwack would have no issue in addressing “white supremacy” in that particular phrase. And make no mistake that real life thwack does indeed exist. Taking his conception of wS to task is then one’s only move IRL or the virtual reality.

    It is a tell when one will not write “white supremacy” versus “racism” that the person writing is not in fact “black,” but most likely a “white” male liberationist.

  83. “You are telling yourself that ‘we are like that’ for your own reasons. You have that idea in your head, and you are playing from that outdated script.”

    OK, but whites here certainly do that to ‘blacks,’ whether collectively or personally ascribed; Camlost is the king of reducing the subject in his field of observation to a convenient joke; he’ll even ignore evident truth and the specific caveats and qualifications of the particular debate mate in order to not mess up a punchline! 🙂

    I mean, come one: suburban_elk speaks the truth —— but that truth is universal among the races in ‘race debate.’

  84. And Elk… There just is something primitive about any domain that rejects objective Supremacy…

    Thwack’s act is the act of all radical liberationists… The apoearance of “transcending” the primitive without “submission” to objective Supremacy as “operating paradigm.”

    A singular material origin + no final destination = total chaos…

    A certain spirited origin + a final destination = solid identity…

    EVEN IF reality posits a single material origin THIS SPEAKS TO THE subsequent reality of human biodiversity NOT ONE IOTA!

    That “whites” are mere “parts” of “blacks” IN NO WAY speaks to the illegitimacy of separation nor the “righteousness” of forced integration.

    The true division is amongst those very few spirited white man faithfully ordained with free will as a gift from God (and exercising such gift to his maximum extent) and those who simply embrace radical autonomy and a pleasurable self-annihilation.

    So thwack…

    Do you possess God-ordained free will or not?

    [this was an interesting comment. — PA]

  85. “Thankfully, even in the horniest and dumbest of my youthful anti-racist wigger days I’ve never felt the least bit attracted to black women to make this a reality despite their endless and enduring interest in me.”

    Don’t fool yourself, Chiquita-Incognita: every time we fucked a white female, you miscegenated as much as I did. Yes, I know that your genetic makeup makes it possible for you to convincingly be annointed Grand Wizard of the DeKalb county KKK. But YOU know the truth even if no one else does!….. LMAO!

  86. A smart
    “black” thwack
    In fact
    Acknowledges
    A man with God-ordained free will
    And “man”
    Not so intact
    There is no communication
    A void
    To avoid
    So devoid
    It’s called “crack”
    Schism and chasm
    still full
    Of heat and spasm
    And smart, “black” thwack
    Fails to rise
    To a challenge…

  87. The “enemy” revels in “identity crisis.”

    So “we” naturally identify him and make him run from the impression UNTIL he reveals a true identity.

    When he cannot conceive a better response than “equal” action, ie., he identifies “you,” ensure that he sculpts the most truthful reality SO AS TO FORCE his “equal” concession, ie., demand a true sculpting of himself.

  88. Blacks would be better off if they were not having to impress whites.

    Yes, this is partly what I’ve been meaning when PA and I talked about blacks and their derivative existence in relation to whites. Thwack struts around holding himself in stereotypical fashion trying to put on the air of some painted-up mandingo warrior beguiling the terrified white folks with the sheer ferocity of his enigmatic, jungle-tastic gyrations – but he’s really just the biggest minstrel fool of them all. He’s Al Jolson without the white man underneath.

    I guess he thinks we’re all from some whitopia or something and that we are easily shockable, either way it’s quite entertaining. It’s almost like Pacific Islanders and their haka dances aimed at dissuading the enemy from fighting when you really didn’t know what you were doing in the first place. And everything he’s doing is pretty much old hat, even down to his mightily black habit of phrasing all of his statements in “last word” fashion. (i.e. childish stupidity like “now sit down!!”)

    Camlost is the king of reducing the subject in his field of observation to a convenient joke; he’ll even ignore evident truth and the specific caveats and qualifications of the particular debate mate in order to not mess up a punchline!

    Hey don’t rag on me for my reluctance to mar a good punchline, I’m merely an instrument through which comedic genius flows… (and I also have this habit of noticing.)

  89. Don’t fool yourself, Chiquita-Incognita: every time we fucked a white female, you miscegenated as much as I did. Yes, I know that your genetic makeup makes it possible for you to convincingly be annointed Grand Wizard of the DeKalb county KKK. But YOU know the truth even if no one else does!….. LMAO!

    LOL. First of all, there’s no KKK In Dekalb County, you’re thinking about Forsyth or farther north. Second of all, everything I’ve done is completely allowable under the terms of the Tripartite Pact of 1936. 🙂

  90. “[seriously, why are you here doing what you do? you will never persuade anyone because your dialectic is weak and your rhetoric is familiar. you will never mindfuck anyone here because you aren’t insightful. Just getting white mans validation (negative, positive, doesn’t matter) to fulfill psychological needs none of us here can relate to?]”

    I gotta say, you and Cam get absolutely animated and on fire when you get into back-n-forth with Thwack and Obsidian. Now, it’s the default obvious next move, but i have to think that it’s because they’re the only black commenters offering what we might loosely agree is “standard black prole” repartee, though Thwack if often outside that descriptive…… You two become absolutely electrified when engaged with those two; it’s the flipside of Thwack’s confrontational position whenever he argues with self-described white ‘raycists.’

  91. Yeah, elk’s 4:43 comment is right on….. I think i figured it out and it’s uninspiring news for me: when you don’t care about someone —— don’t connect or desire or relate to one’s essence, physically, mentally or whatever, it’s easy and fun to drop all principles and formalities and just turn ‘the other’ into a cartoon.

    I mean, I’m always calling for a new level of candor and believing that 21st-century digital platforms like this allow for as much, ‘cuz they bring intimacy without risk—– but that ultimate disinterest is allowed to manifest at a new and higher level, too.

    Humble pie or bitter fruit?

  92. @Cam: LMFAO!

    I forgot about that ultimate 20th-century cynical alliance; do you recall the John McNeill from Guy White? a college kid in Iowa who was torn over being called a racist and for being proud of his white heritage?

    Anyhow, he told me that there exist pictures of Hitler sporting a kimono?

    That would be priceless.

  93. Thwack: ” I can kinda see what they mean but Im also suspicious because so much of what racists say is affirmational instead of empirical. “

    I don’t think anyone capable of objectivity and evident truth could argue with the above, even though I would privvy the more generous and expansive interpretations of the term ‘racist.’

  94. I gotta say, you and Cam get absolutely animated and on fire when you get into back-n-forth with Thwack and Obsidian.

    I like Thwack, he’s funny and inventive, but probably very young (as you guessed). The only black commenter I never had time for was Abagond, he’s the most cartoonish I’ve ever seen and not an original thought or phrase in his body.

  95. — I gotta say, you and Cam get absolutely animated and on fire when you get into back-n-forth with Thwack and Obsidian

    Camlost was on a roll today. I audibly laughed more than once. Though your “Chiquita-Incognita” was pretty funny too.

    As to Thwack, I thought a bit more about my request that he drop his act. I made that request because the trash talking wasn’t what one calls ennobling discourse. And to be frank, my counterpunches felt like I am beating up on somebody who is in over his head. However, it occurred to me that (a) it is entertaining, (b) Thwack is an adult, and (c) he is not mentally retarded, so why the hell not. So Thwack: carry on, one a day. Just be aware of how your audience sees you.

    PS: I was at my most truly “animated” in my flamewars with whorefinder at CH one or two years ago. He and I are cool now but those battles were wild.

  96. another common meme expressed by racist white people is that Obama is gay, effeminate or in some way unmasculine… I can kinda see what they mean

    Yeah, well black people themselves kinda thought Obama was a weak sissy fraud when he got his black ass trounced by the real nigga Bobby Rush in the 2000 election for Illinois’ first district. He lost 61% to 30% and most of his meager support came from white latte liberals. Black people didn’t give a crap about him and stood by while Rush labeled him as a stiff professor outsider and “an educated fool” who came from one of the white neighborhoods in the District. His only prominent support was from Father Pfleger, others said he wasn’t black enough and painted him as weak.

    (c) he is not mentally retarded, so why the hell not.

    Whoa, whoa, whoa – not so fast. This is not yet certain or ready to be added to your list of “settled debates.”

  97. so much of what racists say is affirmational instead of empirical

    “White people are beautiful and deserve to live.”

    That is an affirmational statement. Or is it an empirical statement.

    It is an affirmational statement; and so, what?

    What we are doing is constructing an argument in the Form of Identity.

    *******************

    Empirical statements are presumed to be without attached value judgments.

    “White people have green eyes, more often than do non-whites.”

    “White people have more and differing coloring schemes than do non-whites.”

    Those are empirical statements, and they are a little bit on the dry and spergy side. If someone wants exclusively empirical statements, go to some physical anthropology forum and hash it out with them.

    Value judgements are very much at the center of contention. What is at stake, is the question of what and who is valuable. That is what we are arguing for. So of course the terms and the arguments are going to be value-laden and aspiring toward same.

    However empirical statements have their place too.

    “Black and brown have a limited color scheme. Whites have more variation in their color.”

  98. If the statement that “so much of what racists say is affirmational instead of empirical” is meant as a criticism it is shallow and weak; though as an observation it is accurate.

    As a criticism it is weak because the topic is people and their race and their place; and so there is no removing of human agency and its ascriptions of value which are aspirations.

  99. “Yeah, well black people themselves kinda thought Obama was a weak sissy fraud when he got his black ass trounced by the real nigga Bobby Rush in the 2000 election for Illinois’ first district.”

    (Sigh) Once again, we’re back to re-interpreting history to fit nicely one’s own conceits…I was familiar with that race; Rush used a technique that had become popular once a second, more-privileged class of black pols emerged from the activist-oriented original-class type, a la Rush, Jesse Jackson and countless others.

    Given natural electoral tactics, it made sense for Rush to pull “more genuine” card on Obama; other educated, relatively-more-privileged black pols like Corey Booker was subjected to such tactics by political rivals, too.

    But nope: Rush preyed upon Obama because he was an effete, sissy who was very likely gay, right?

  100. But nope: Rush preyed upon Obama because he was an effete, sissy who was very likely gay, right?

    LOL, well I didn’t say “gay.” But effete, yes. “Sissy” may have been a stretch. Others said that he was “stepping out” by deciding he wanted to run from Hyde Park.

    But Obama is the one constantly joking about “not being black enough” so I think something must have stung him from those days.

    Anyway, I don’t give any credence to any of the Obama “gay” rumors. I think it’s much more fascinating to talk about the fact that Michelle was the only black woman he’s ever been with, and likely only because it was a political necessity. But I surely don’t think that any closet- or quasi-gay may could stomach sleeping with something as big, gangly, loud and unsexy as Michelle, that’s for sure. For that reason alone I’m sure that he doesn’t have a gay-curious bone in his body.

  101. “vladimir putin appreciated obama going easy on him.”

    Well, Obama wasn’t as easy on Putin as “W” was….. Rather, Obama looked into Putin’s eyes and saw that he was a duplicitous rogue…lol..

    [you are invested in obama’s image, I understand. but he was tooled on a regular basis by other heads of state or committed unforced errors like supplicative bowing. I can’t imagine someone similarly introverted like ben carson being such an overt bitch or commanding so little respect thru his presence. look up a gif or a video of raul castro flapping obamas wrist for everyone’s amusement. — PA]

  102. “he was tooled on a regular basis by other heads of state or committed unforced errors like supplicative bowing.”

    I could imagine Obama, as well as someone like Bill Clinton, lacking a bit in terms of assumed and reflexive social graces, protocols and formalities given that they’re both from much-lower socio-economic classes and cultures than most or nearly all earlier US presidents in modern times (though Carter may be another exception). Plus, any anthropologic behaviors and/or gestures inherent to African-Americans specifically could only seem alien coming from a US president, given the absolute and context-free novelty of the circumstance.

    For Clnton, Obama and maybe Carter —- to some extent they’re improvising; they don’t have the genetically endowed pedigree of, say, The Bushes, which is a rather ironic example, because as a generational burden the Bush brothers adapted cultural gestures that sought to absolve them of their landed class privilege and birthright airs. W in particular often assumed a pseudo-egalitarian disposition during public social events.

    [You’re reaching on Obama, defending the indefensible and buttressing your point with irrelevant examples. Clinton and W commanded the room each in his own style, as per their job descriptions. Back to Obama: don’t overcomplicate it. He is a president of a global superpower with strong support from half of the country and he doesn’t act it. Thwack brought him up as a case study in mulatto supermanhood using the 2008 media-constructed image in which he was a blank slate to White libs a little bit like Bernie Sanders now, except also with racial reconciliation (hah!) projections. But he is the opposite of a superman. If biracialism is a best-of-both-sides vs worst-of-both-sides gamble, Obama is closer to the latter.]

  103. I could imagine Obama, as well as someone like Bill Clinton, lacking a bit in terms of assumed and reflexive social graces, protocols and formalities given that they’re both from much-lower socio-economic classes and cultures than most or nearly all earlier US presidents in modern times (though Carter may be another exception).

    Maybe class is an issue, but so is ideology. With Obama you just have to accept the fact that he’s been conditioned to take it in the rear from non-Western leaders, because brown=good. When he visited Cuba he faced a bizarre counterattack from Raul Castro that the USA has a “double standard” on Human Rights since we don’t have a socialized retirement and healthcare system like the glorious ones they have in Cuba – and Obama’s response was to kowtow like a b**ch and say “yes, I welcome that valid criticism” instead of defending the USA and pointing out that Cuba doesn’t even have free elections or a free press.

    [remember that 1996 debate?

    Gore: my opponent is a good republican, unlike the others

    Kemp: *beaming* why thank you thank you thank you!

    — PA]

  104. Michelle grew up with big, tough masculine black men in her life. That is probably who she feels most comfortable with. Because of her academic success, she probably felt most of the black men who fit that description were not intelligent enough for her. Hence, she settled for Barack. Life is all about trade offs.

  105. Because of her academic success, she probably felt most of the black men who fit that description were not intelligent enough for her. Hence, she settled for Barack. Life is all about trade offs.

    Black women who want a husband have to take whatever they can get, they don’t have much choice in the matter.

  106. Plus, any anthropologic behaviors and/or gestures inherent to African-Americans specifically could only seem alien coming from a US president, given the absolute and context-free novelty of the circumstance.

    Like breakdancing?

    I thought that Obama’s background, certainly more so than Bubba Clinton’s, was supposed to be somewhat suited to positions of high office and dignity. What is his background, anyways?

    Again i agree with Camlost,

    With Obama you just have to accept the fact that he’s been conditioned to take it in the rear from non-Western leaders, because brown=good.

    When he bowed to the Saudi leader, that was something. Bush held the guy’s hand, like a confidant man would, but Obama gets down to give a blowjob?

    I remember arguing with a trueblue liberal about that gaffe and what it meant, and it really is something that reveals how liberals misunderstand the nature of politics. My liberal friend was all like, “If he wants to do that and show them that he respects their culture, then more power to him.” Those liberals think that we can, essentially, submit, and get something from that posture.

    That bow was a gesture of submission, and such gestures on the international stage in those circumstances are not overlooked, and they cannot be forgiven.

    What kinda idiot makes a gaffe like that?

  107. “With Obama you just have to accept the fact that he’s been conditioned to take it in the rear from non-Western leaders, because brown=good”

    Perhaps that is so. But I would guess that such folly is the manifestation of ideological coping than ideological positioning; and if so, that’s a pretty perilous position to put your country in for the sake of your own ideological development and/or anxiety.

    Being a younger halfrican but still barely within his generation (and a fellow-product of his advanced-degree alma mater), I would think his psyche would know that brown=less developed, however sobering; though ‘less-developed’ doesn’t mean ‘less good’ or deserving of anything undesirable.

  108. a case study in mulatto supermanhood using the 2008 media-constructed image in which he was a blank slate to White libs a little bit like Bernie Sanders now,

    Exactly.

    Bernie is from a homogenous, small and ucomplicated state (Vermont) where he didn’t have to make many tough decisions or face the rancor of a deeply divided electorate. He’s about as nameless, faceless and flavorless as your average domestic Japanese politician.

    Obama had basically ZERO political record of any kind, having short experience and about 40% “present” absentee votes during his time in the Senate. What the media loved to term as his “broad appeal” partly stemmed from the fact that he never had to get off the fence and take a stand on many things and risk alienating either side of specific particular issues. Gay marriage is the perfect example of that, he really didn’t advocate for it staunchly until his run-up for the 1st Presidential election, since LGBTQ stuff just isn’t a factor in elections within majority minority or heavily Democratic districts at the state level.

  109. Just to repeat myself, it is unforgivable, to bow to a foreign leader. The symbolism of the protocols is not a joke.

    Obama was not up for the job. He couldn’t even respect some necessary forms.

    Disgraceful. He likes to disgrace the United States of course. But even so, he disgraced himself, which does go to questions of his gayness.

    And also, about my liberal friend’s reaction. Liberals reveal their naiveness about politics and reality, by overlooking that gesture and what it means.

    Liberals forget that politics is REAL. Yeah it is a show, but at the same time it’s real, and if your leader is sucking off the other guy, that is not in your interests, and you shouldn’t vote for him.

  110. “Black and brown have a limited color scheme. Whites have more variation in their color.”

    Well, I guess if you adhere to the “One-Drop” rule, which most RR’s demand. But then you give credence to ‘blacks’ who are lighter than many southern-European white people; America’s one-drop-informed definition of ‘black people’ is often why you see American blacks consciously or subconsciously define ‘black’ in a way that’s seemingly indifferent to phenotype (though they just might be comically obsessive about the role hair texture plays in such crucial determinations. lol!)

  111. But then you give credence to ‘blacks’ who are lighter than many southern-European white people;

    But isn’t “lightness” amongst blacks only a feature amongst Western blacks due to recent admixture with Europeans? It’s hardly a natural attribute of blacks, except for maybe the Bushmen of extreme Southern Africa (like Mandela) and they weren’t necessarily that light anyway.

    Most current Africans range from dark coffee to jet black.

  112. “But isn’t “lightness” amongst blacks (mainly) a feature among Western blacks due to recent admixture with Europeans?”

    Yes, I thought that was a point I was emphasizing. In this country, someone could be 1/16th of African blood but would still be herded into the ‘black’ category.

    [on the macro scale the one drop rule kept north america white by preventing male mixing with darker women and then having their mixed children integrate with other whites, which is how some arab and latin american countries became by and large brown except for their ruling classes. preserving the european phenotype requires measures that ensure purity. of course, that is true of all races: a mulatto looks nothing like an average ghanaian. — PA]

  113. Yes, I thought that was a point I was emphasizing. In this country, someone could be 1/16th of African blood but would still be herded into the ‘black’ category.

    Yeah, but the original, original point is that Thwack was arguing in favor of some alleged “genetic diversity” that blacks evolved on their own versus whites – but when you do that you can’t claim a feature (light skin) that only had genetic roots in white admixture, right?

    And actually there might be a lot of genetic diversity amongst blacks that we don’t see expressed in the modern world or especially in environments outside of Africa, notably some physical hardiness features or resistances to disease or other detrimental conditions specific to that continent. I’ve got no reason to doubt the oft-repeated “out of Africa” claim you hear from some scientists who say there’s wider genetic diversity within one single African village than there is in all of rest the Western world. (the question is what do those “diverse” genes do)

  114. The utter incomprehensibilty of speaking of “purity” in the dark shadow that is a rejection of objective Supremacy is evidence of one’s radical autonomy.

    The technological barrier to perpetuating “white” skin has been usurped. The technological prowess to perpetuate white Supremacy DOES NOT EVEN register in the minds of most “racial purists.”

    The book-learned “race-realist” is a farce. Someone very embarrassed by being so late to the party and attempting to cover-up this embarrassment with a barrage of scientific-sounding “racisms.”

    IF you are a white man and you procreate with a whiter female THEN her children will be LESS white than their more white mother and will be more white than their less white father.

    Now, if you are a white man that procreates with a less white woman then your children will be more white than their mother, but less white than you.

    Which scenario is preferable and how does “racial purity” so derive from what amounts to the only two realistic procreative paths?

    Lawrence Auster spotted the reductionism of the “racial purists” long ago… What he did not conclude was that ultimately the most staunch “racial purists” where actually radical liberationists who fundamentally rejected genuine white Supremacy. They are “purists” who reject Perfection and so are bound to a self-annihilation.

    And of course, this is the reality… Most “racial purists” crash and burn… Yet, the delusion is that they crash and burn as genuine wS and not as an unseemly and unsavory minority of radical liberationist.

  115. Obama goes to UK for Town Hall, audience behind him filled with headscarves while he speaks:

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/british-writer-hits-obamas-for-promoting-muslim-agenda-in-uk/?sc=iar

    [I got Tin Tin comic books for my son, who likes them quite a bit. Reading them is interesting for me as well: I had read them as a kid and vaguely recall the different stories … except that i didn’t speak English when I originally read them, just went by the illustrations back then. I’m struck by the pre-madness England in those comic books. — PA]

  116. As far as Obama… Again, there are certain tells as to whether one is de facto homo and Obama has shown several. But because the analytical framework is so distorted and the dominance of the materialist paradigm so certain even the highest IQ “white” males can hardly make a valid judgement.

    Homo=same=EXACT SAME=self…

    Homo-sexuality = sexual attraction to self…

    Homo-sexuality = “right” to “love thyself”

    Now, THIS REALLY IS Liberalism in its most primitively “pure” form…

    This is ^^^ radical sexual autonomy in its most simplest, concrete manifestation.

    This is ^^^ a DIRECT ASSAULT against the First Commandment in the only manner a materialist can truly strike.

    So “yes,” Obama is de facto homo…

    Whether he is also a sodomite? How does the Narrative usually tell that part of the story?

  117. Obama has implicitly stated that Michelle possessed a “right” to annihilate his daughters at conception up until birth and has explicitly stated that his daughters possess the same “right.”

    This ^^^ is very homo-sexual.

    This is the clearest evidence of a perpetuating self-annihilator that one could possibly come across. Romney-esque, one might say. And before Trump, who was the last “great white hope” tarnished by ties to “white supremacy?”

    Total theater of the absurd for a land of absurd spectators.

  118. PA
    — the postings we get here from Thwack, ranging from the comical semi-boasting on sexual matters to the passive/aggressive threats
    Thwack, it was fine to trash-talk with you but it’s time to call it quits. You can still do your one-a-day comment but if it does the things Camlost describes above, I will ask you to stop commenting here.
    ————————–

    Are you following me?
    I didn’t mention you in my post?
    I didn’t say anything to Cam in my post?
    I dindu nuffin; so why are you trying to oppress the black man?

    Oh wait a minute. i get it; its because I talked to the white girl isn’t it? You mad because I responded to Lara, and she’s white and so now you think her baby is gonna come out black… I wasn’t tryin to pick her up, I dindu nuffin;

    ok so I smacked her around a little bit? so what, happens everyday, get over it gameboy and stop acting like you never seen a true playa.
    ———————————————————————————————————————-
    Thordaddy
    So thwack…
    Do you possess God-ordained free will or not?
    ————
    Dude, you should seriously consider starting your own blog because PA is not gonna tolerate me discussing your PHD, dismantling your comments, numbering the sentences… in order to determine exactly what you mean, and then responding to it; on HIS blog.

    He doesn’t want me to understand anything because he is trying to oppress me because I accidentally talked to a white woman. You have some interesting positions but I can’t discuss them while Im being attacked unjustly. he only allows me one post a day because im black
    —————————————————————————————————————–

    Camlost
    The only black commenter I never had time for was Abagond, he’s the most cartoonish I’ve ever seen and not an original thought or phrase in his body.
    —————-
    Finally, something we agree on. Abagong banned me a few years ago because I dared criticize black peoples pathological behaviors; specifically black women. His audience is 90 percent black females and they stink up the threads with their nonsense.

    He tries to write an article a day; which makes his website more McBlog than blog, a mile wide and an inch deep… its a pep rally and therapy session for blax where they pump themselves up on lies and falsehood and pretend to be “intoolechchooall”
    The most interesting behavior on his site is his practice of banning or deleting comments for something he calls “Mock Ebonics.” Evidently, people were coming there and making comments that sounded like escaped slaves, so he made a rule that if you used any ebonics in your comment, he would delete it.

    But like the cunt that he is, he was very selective in this rules application. Im from the South so its normal for me to use words like “ain’t”, “gonna”, “fixin to”… he deleted so many of my comments because of words like that, that it actually became difficult to write anything? Finally in exasperation, I accused him of trying to force black people to talk like white people; and on a supposedly “pro black” site, this really pissed him off; I think I said something like, : “you want comments stupid enough to sound black; but written in perfect English grammar?” His blog is a black moron incubator but I gave them hell. Go over there and post as thwack and see what happens; you will provoke ni66ers to kick buckets.
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    nikcrit
    “I’ve noticed no one ever talks about black women in these discussions. It’s as if they don’t exist in the equation. We all know of black women who are just as vocal and vitriolic about mudsharking as PA is.”

    “I think black and black-cultured men would prefer a lighter, dark-haired attractive female who may or may-not seem ethnically black over an outright blonde-haired, Nordic-looking white female.”– Nikcrit
    ———————
    You are correct Nikcrit, and we do talk about it; the problem is, racist white men project their obsession with very pale, blonde or red headed women onto nonwhite men thinking we want them for the same reason they want them; guess what? We don’t. That “buns in the oven; future of the white race…” nonsense is a perfect example; we don’t think about that when gaming a white girl; thats your job.

    If a black man is married to a white woman its because SHE got him, not HE got her. As the late great Patrice Oneil often stated “Its not a womans job to GET a man; its a womans job to KEEP a man. Black woman hear this and tell Patrice to go to hell. White women hear it, accept it, and act accordingly; they are very nice on the front end; in addition they have the advantage of being comfortable making themselves vulnerable. White women are nice on the front end but hard on the back end.

    Black women are nice on the back end but hard on the front end. Black women protect themselves with this hard “membrane” that takes game to penetrate; but if you can penetrate it, IF you can penetrate it, theres a great soft, juicy, sweet center waiting for you; these are the ones who will hide a gun for you. Y’all think OJ “got” Nicole Brown Simpson; but actually, it was SHE who got HIM. and once she did, she tried to put a “short leash” on him and he killed her. What was she thinking? She was thinking like a white women.

    Black women may present as anti mudsharking but thats just their self interest speaking. If white men would marry them? they would drop black men in a heart beat and never look back. I have this theory that “angry pro black women” don’t really want justice, they just want the white womans position as the white mans “queen”; get it?

    If feminism is the white queen challenging the white king for rule of the kingdom? Then black woman are the broke ass “peasant girls” who would be perfectly happy marrying the king and functioning as his subordinate.

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    thordaddy
    Thwack…
    You discount multiple origins?
    You ABIDE by “common descent?”
    —————-
    No; its just that Darwinians have enough difficulty adequately explaining hominid evolution occuring in one place; multiple origins just makes the problem more complex….its like adding hay to the haystack. Like I said before, white people have had intuitive knowledge of their African origins for centuries; myths, fairy tales, folklore…; but especially when they began sailing around the world and found black people far from Africa.

    Today its common for people to accuse this blac or that black of having “white” or “Asian features”; but they are reading the book upside down. These features existed in Africans long before any white people existed in Europe. Even today there are still short, flat faced, chink eyed yellow people in Africa; they are going extinct, and though they don’t have long straight black hair; one theory is non coding gene expression (epigenetics) could account for its later presence in modern Asians and white people.

    You people call it “junk DNA” but most of you have closets, basements and/or garages full of “junk” you refuse to throw out because you have an intuitive sense that “one day, “I might need that.”

    For what?

    “I don’t know, but Im gonna keep it around till I find out”

    The key is being able to find it when you need it.

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    Subhuman_elk
    “The issue of contention for this thread, i would say, is what is it like for a white woman to have a black child.”

    And I say all you hafta do is ask an old childless white women to get the correct answer to your question. Dude, you’re thinking like a male. Have you ever seen a woman give birth? Can’t you see whats occuring? Thats HER baby. It may or may NOT be yours; but she and damn well everybody else KNOWS its hers.

    Listen Humpty, do me a favor. I want you to go and look for some bear cubs (grizzly, polar or black). When you find them, I want you to grab the one thats most fucked up; ya know, gimpy leg, crooked eye… and start walking back to your house with it.

    You won’t make it; and your funeral will be “closed casket.”

    You white supremacists are getting to be regod-damn-diculous. All these childless white women walking around and you focus all your rage and anger on the ONE with the dark baby?
    Are you retarded?
    (((shakin my head)))

    Its a fucking BABY and its mother; just like you once were. Son can’t you see?

    The question you racist buffoons need to ask yourselves is: “what is it like for a woman to have a CHILD?”

    Slowburban_elk
    “but the basis of it is that most genes do not affect appearances and behavior and fitness, and that most genes do not matter; and it is the differences that matter.’
    It’s the differences that matter.
    ——————————————————–
    Most genes don’t matter?

    Did you run that statement past the albino, the hemophiliac or someone suffering cystic fibrosis?

    Whats that?

    Oh, its the DIFFERENCES that matter?

    Oh, you mean like the differences between having a gene and missing a gene?

    Dude you got short legs and long antlers; you should probably go sit down… talk to PA… ask him to transfer you BACK to Starbucks… get yourself your old job back making Lattes and sweet fruity drinks… you’re good at that.

    Ok, Im done.
    *Now bring the flames*

    AAH-WHOOOOOOOOGA!
    AHH-WHOOOOOOOGA!

    DIVE!

    DIVE!

    DIVE!

  119. Another tell was the media-manufactured image of Obama as the premier “alpha male.” They literally littered the virtual world with some flabby, shirtless Obama beach shot that apparently had the masses going wild. It was literally the body of a 14 year old boy, twenty pounds overweight who’d never seen the inside of a weight room (what demo does that arouse). There was literally not an ounce of “alpha” in the picture. This is another media-tell that Obama was or will be de facto homo.

  120. Thwack…

    To the degree that mudsharking should be a social issue worthy of substantial reduction it is so justified by the broken bond between white father and white daughter and black son and black mother.

    To continuously obscure a hatred of father/daughter as the root cause of mudsharking, the radical liberationists will have “us” believe it’s merely a female’s primitive desire for child… Any child. Yes, perhaps this is also the case in some instances. It does not substantiate at all to explain the totality of current reality in regard to mudsharking.

    To be with a lot of “white” females and possess a one hundred percent mortality rate equals what? Mutual desire? Co-liberationists? Desire for self-annihilation? De facto homos? If ALL THE PLAYERS are fundamentally the same, what’s the game?

  121. “Like breakdancing?”

    Well, yeah, sort of…. At least the more basic elemental ethnic moves and gestures that go into breakdancing. I’m simply saying that anthro-ethnic physical aesthetics manifest over time in an evolutionary sense —— and such aspects showing up in the physicality and physical movement of a US president would be striking due to its prior total absence.

  122. Thwack, please use italicized font to separate your commentary from your commentary…. it’s fairly simple:

    Before the first character of intended italics, do this:

    After the last character of intended italics, put this:

    This will make your comments much easier to process; as is, you like to present multiple perspectives but don’t like the rhetorical devices that make such a mix easier to digest.

  123. Abagong banned me a few years ago because I dared criticize black peoples pathological behaviors; specifically black women. His audience is 90 percent black females and they stink up the threads with their nonsense.

    He tries to write an article a day; which makes his website more McBlog than blog, a mile wide and an inch deep…
    The most interesting behavior on his site is his practice of banning or deleting comments for something he calls “Mock Ebonics.” Evidently, people were coming there and making comments that sounded like escaped slaves, so he made a rule that if you used any ebonics in your comment, he would delete it.

    LOL… ahhhh, that explains it. There’s always been something unsettling about his blog – I tried to figure out what’s wrong with it but you’ve cut right to the chase as to why it sucks so very bad. And I’m saying that as someone who can regularly thumb through The Root or The Grio (without somehow losing my lunch) just to see what is being discussed there.

    Black women are nice on the back end but hard on the front end. Black women protect themselves with this hard “membrane” that takes game to penetrate; but if you can penetrate it, IF you can penetrate it, theres a great soft, juicy, sweet center waiting for you; these are the ones who will hide a gun for you.

    Well, black women aren’t hard to penetrate but yes they will show some crazy dedication… and help their man hide way more than just a gun:

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-07-02-cutts-hearing-waived_N.htm

  124. thwack is too interested in his own personality, or what he might think of as style.

    The last thing anyone wants is another black personality.

    Black personalities are tedious, because they are full of themselves. That is not true of all black people, but it is true of a good percentage of the younger males. The default for black young males, is to equate volume and self-aggrandizement with accomplishment and success.*

    I have credited him with one or two points, and might be willing to recognize a point in today’s post; but on the balance, when weighted against his boring style, why bother.

    The common sense stuff, sometimes called wisdom? black people can be good at that, because their experience; but on the other hand, they have come to think that they alone have to cope with the hard realities of life. Mother / child, blah blah blah blah blah, yeah we know.

    * That is a well-known observation, and goes a long way in clarifying the essential difference between white and black. White people want to accomplish real things; whereas for most black people, they are satisfied with projecting their personality, and that passes for accomplishment. In their defense, for most black people – and if truth be told, for most people in general – that might be the most that they are capable of accomplishing.

    And so to finish disputes: thwack: try and keep that (previous paragraph) in mind when posting. Black style is a joke and a liability. It is literally a joke. If someone can make a point with words, that is talent, but someone faking a point – which thwack does more often than not, for instance his obfuscation and thick-skulled idiocy regarding junk genes – belongs in a separate classroom.

    Hey, separate classrooms, now there is an idea. Or can you imagine white children, say the children of the white people reading this, in a classroom with thwack’s. Could you imagine yourself, in a classroom with thwack?

    I rest my case.

  125. I did spend a half-hour writing that response, so that is a victory for … who, exactly?

    What is the issue that is up for debate, anyways?

    This multirace arrangement, under its present conditions it is degrading.

    Because the race groups are in a struggle for dominance, and the white race group is not meeting the challenge so well.

    That is where we find ourselves.

    I am 6 foot 10 inches with a 13 inch penis and a 500 lbs bench press, so no one ever messes with me, damnit.

    No but on the real, the Fight gets tiring, and at my age i am not duking it out with anyone. What i want to do is inspire the youngbloods to kick some ass. Or in the alternative, help the creative and intellectuals get their chops into shape.

    RaHO-wa!

  126. Wouldn’t it be great to have a 13 inch penis.

    There is an awful netflix sockumentary called How Big is Your Penis? and it features the true story about the biggest man in the world, who got stopped ala Spinal Tap at the airport for smuggling (true story) and it turned out that he was smuggling his dick onto the plane. The guy has to tape himself up, every day. What a hassle.

    He is also a Scandi and obese and not goodlooking at all, and i think he was living in NY and appeared pretty gay.

  127. In high school Aerosmith was playing and my friend said wouldn’t it suck to have a ten-inch dick and i said well that’s easy for you to say.

    No i’m kidding it didn’t go down like that. I know, those jokes are self-limiting and reveal personal problems that no one wants to know about. I get it, totally get it. There is no excuse for that stuff.

    Very frustrated, very sad and lonely. I know those comments are also inappropriate. I am trying to read through the Culture of Narcissism, and he makes the point that people became narcissists by default because THERE IS NOTHING OUT THERE.

    I was like wow! that was published in 1979, so people have known for quite some time about these same very problems that are still now grinding good men down into self-destructive particles of nothingness.

    He criticized his contemporary intellectuals for having the cause and effect of the malaise of self-absorption and narcissism backwards: they thought that the culture was petering out because everyone was self-absorbed; but he insisted that everyone was self-absorbed because there was no culture for them in which to live their lives.

  128. Because the race groups are in a struggle for dominance, and the white race group is not meeting the challenge so well. — Suburban_Elk

    This isn’t the right frame. There is a “system” of perpetuating self-annihilation with each deviant variant egging on the other to pass that “finish line” first. The healthy-minded white man HAS BEEN THE MOST RESISTANT to this “system.” The healthy-minded white man will not choose a perpetuating self-annihilation, ie., a continuum of degradation. The “white” liberal (and all liberationists) on the other hand IS DRIVEN to forcefully integrate every last healthy-minded white man into this prophetable enterprise ALL THE WAY through to Final Liberation. Ergo, when the last healthy-minded white man chooses Final Liberation, this is the true extinction of the white man and PROOF of the “truth” of Liberalism.

    In addition, this same process of perpetuating self-annihilation is an acute affliction amongst The Chosen Ones, the radical “black” collective, the homodyke and the jihadist. Even the marauding migger is a perpetuating self-annihilator.

    So there is a collective force only “united” in its desire to violently integrate all human beings into its protracted continuum of self-degradation… A symbiotic regression.

    And it is only the genuine wS that stands opposed… That can stand opposed as a matter of ontological first principle

    What is the alternate course?

  129. Thwack man
    Let’s play pac man
    Eat the ghosts of
    white Supremacy
    Like a real black man
    Banned by Abagond
    Don’t mean sheet magne!
    BOTH anti-wS
    So it’s a dubious script, Stan
    Academic Abagond
    Just more strict than
    Freely wheelin’
    Thwack
    Who’s attack
    Ain’t a blog a day
    But a comment away
    Ready to play and say
    Whatever his heart
    Parlays…
    I bet you
    rap reciprocation…

    You balk… You talk.

    Are you a black Supremacist?

    Cuz you walk thatwalk…

  130. The only true conflict between a thwack and Abagond is the degree to which the individual “black” can “liberate” from wS. Abagond IS TRUER to the multi-generational script of “white supremacy” whereas thwack ENJOYS the “fruits” of a greater liberation. It is in the visibility of these opposing narratives made apparent by a thwack attack that an “academic” like Abagond must slap down the lack of discipline in a rogue student. Twenty-five generations of truly believing that one has operated under the paradigm of “white supremacy” and within one generation is appears like an incredible diabolical joke to the likes of thwack! In return, exposing Abagond’s resistance to the “progressivism” he so deeply desired… A resistance to thwack liberation from “white supremacy” rendering “it” a mere “joke.” Academic Abagond cannot feel anything but psychologically assaulted.

  131. Michelle is no beauty, but she is more pulled together than a lot of black women. I could see her being an asset to any middle class black community. She’d be the type to run the Home and School, probably a leader to other black mothers. It sounds like a lot of her racial resentments developed at Princeton. She probably felt out of place. Barack and her definitely seem mismatched. I could picture him married to a pretty, kind of nerdy white woman. He couldn’t handle a bombshell type.

  132. I wonder if more intelligent black women tend to get lured by high paying, affirmative action job offers, and have less time for community work. With white women, there is a lot more competition, so you do have plenty of intelligent, competent women looking for things to do.

  133. With white women, there is a lot more competition, so you do have plenty of intelligent, competent women looking for things to do.

    Highly qualified white women can find a husband that makes enough money to support them and their family, so they can take on community work, be a stay at home mom, work in non-profits or take on careers that are less lucrative but have lots of time part-time flexibility (like real estate).

    Black women, not so much.

  134. I could see her being an asset to any middle class black community. She’d be the type to run the Home and School, probably a leader to other black mothers. It sounds like a lot of her racial resentments developed at Princeton.

    Michelle Robinson and her family were big-time community assets to the South-shore black community in Chicago (its middle-to-upper-middle-class) abutting Hyde Park; she and her brother were also bigtime benefactors to Chicago’s black working-class—– this was notable and was well-known in Chicago even before Michelle had even met Obama.

    The Robinson’s were commendable people by any standard but especially conservatives: they cam from lower-middle-class stock and options, excelled, attained levels beyond those bestwoed on them, and upon becoming successful maintained sacrificial levels of devotion to working-and-middle-class blacks. Michelle’s last job before becoming first lady was sort-of a trophy, HR-head p.r.-like job, but everything she did prior was commendable and substantiave, if i recall the order of things correctly.

    Her brother, too, was of a similar path; leading scorer at Princeton, successful prep and college coach; not sure of his corporate attainments —– but community do-gooders who become affiliated with the POTUS and subsequently end up with rather cushy jobs are hardly eye-rolling feats attained only by privileged NAMs.

    You and yours are resentful of NAMs, period, and pissed at your material white ‘betters.”
    And I guess that would be a bitch.

  135. Michelle’s last job before becoming first lady was sort-of a trophy, HR-head p.r.-like job, but everything she did prior was commendable and substantiave, if i recall the order of things correctly.

    She used political connections to get a job as an HR “diversity enforcer” for $450K annually with a hospital system. Neither commendable nor substantive. Personally, I’m ok with overpaid people and with cronyism/nepotism in private industry, not public sector. But you’re right if you’re trying to imply that abuse of political connections is not strictly a black thing (far from it) but that’s why conservatives want smaller government in general.

    The Robinson’s were commendable people by any standard but especially conservatives: they cam from lower-middle-class stock and options, excelled, attained levels beyond those bestwoed on them,

    Not really interested in praising black folks for stuff that white people do every day. Do you need me to post that Chris Rock video again?

    upon becoming successful maintained sacrificial levels of devotion to working-and-middle-class blacks.

    From Hyde Park?

    Yes, their idea of “devotion” to blacks is Barack getting into office and constantly advocating for bigger government at every turn. Or Barack trying to expand gun laws everywhere in the USA so that we can all be as safe as the citizens he represented in Chicago. Or Michelle going on TV to lament how racist the USA is because some white lady at Target mistook her for someone that worked there. Or, better yet, Obama sending his children to almost exclusively white public schools but then having the nerve to lament when whites send their children to private schools, since they allegedly soak up an “anti-government ideology” there (translation – they don’t worship his black ass or view another of his 25-point federal programs as the solution to all eduation problems)

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/05/13/obama_criticizes_children_attending_private_schools_contributes_to_less_opportunity_for_all_our_kids.html

    Michelle’s brother Craig Robinson (not to be confused with the actor) has coached some Division 1 basketball but now works on ESPN as a basketball commentator.

  136. Talented tenth blacks like yourself are coddled in our society. That’s why I say Barack lacks a certain something, he has never had to deal with adversity. A certain toughness comes from that.

  137. There are black middle class people, there just aren’t enough of them relative to the black underclass. There is a huge white middle class with a large range of skills. That just does not exist for blacks.

  138. “Not really interested in praising black folks for stuff that white people do every day.”

    True dat. But ‘dat’ wasn’t my point, which was: WHY do blacks get criticized for doing what ‘white folks do every day?” Your previous comment actually begs that very question.

    “There is a huge white middle class with a large range of skills. That just does not exist for blacks. “

    This is absolute nonsense and part of a much bigger issue. First, after granting that identiy politics exist, are huge and affect many-upon-many things for-and-against whites and blacks, we need to address this myth by the anti-affirmation action crowd that professional career and labor skills are or even can be accorded after measuring a candidate’s worth via real, finely measured increments of worth, skill-level, ability, adding up to ‘merit.’

    Here’s a truthful antidote to that toxic myth: for every professional job that is filled by a competent individual, there are a 1,001 other competent people of every color who will never get that job; i.e., they weren’t denied or overlooked because they didn’t possess that oh-so-perfect mixture adding up to ‘merit.’

    And in fact, along those lines and in response to smirking observations like this—–

    “Talented tenth blacks like yourself are coddled in our societ”—– I say: Yes, at times that is true, but at times the opposite is true. Let’s take my career field; urban education: let’s say you have 50 M.A. education-field candidates from the Midwestern hinterlands and one black M.A. from the city in which the kids come from who is a NAM? Does my ethnic bona-fides matter in that case? I would say: Yes.. But if you’re worried about that relative (and true) advantage, said edge can just as often turn against you. To wit: any newspaper entertainment staff or school administrative ledger that had ONE Nam already on board, you can almost bet that NAM no.2 throwing in his application is doing nothing less than wasting his or her time….. Yes, ‘reverse discrimination’ knows no color. One could take that situation I just described and equate it to the economic principle of ‘scarcity,’ in which a particularly distinct element (or, in this case, job candidate) goes up in value in direct proportion to his relative market ‘rareness,’ or, scarcity.

    I’m not trying to be disingenuous or secretly relishing whipping up resentment; all-in-all, I think contemporary times are somewhat advantageous to relatively high-skill NAMs nowadays. But that edge does most certainly cut both ways —- yesterday, today and tomorrow, fo’ sho!

  139. The bottom line is that affirmative action is used against qualified white people. That is what it is designed to do, and that is what it does.

    The argument that it cuts both ways is terrible. So the second NAM applicant doesn’t get the same benefits as the first? Are we too really believe that assertion applies across a wide range of public sector employment? Preposterous. There are quite a bit more than one black at the Government Center. I guess they didn’t get the memo that they only needed to hire one.

    Affirmative action is the scourge of race relations in this country. And that blacks in general support it, is a mark against them, in reality and in the mind of every single last non-priviliged white person in this country.

    Anybody who works in the capacity of a diversity coordinator is a parasite. Literally, they meet the definition of parasite. They are sucking the lifeblood from others.

    And to say that Michelle is “no beauty” is way too generous. Her looks are an embarrassment.

  140. In Minneapolis it is a Hot Issue that blacks are “under-represented” in public sector employment, even today where it seems they are everywhere. So it’s affirmative action in full effect and overdrive. They do not hire just one and leave it at that. That is not how it works in the public sector here.

  141. I am not trying to start a fight by mocking Michelle’s looks.

    Hillary Clinton is terribly ugly looking. Ugly as can be. Nancy Reagan was no peach, but she was very old.

    But the thing about Michelle’s looks, that is embarrassing – FOR BLACKS – is she has that primitive throwback look.

    We are all just supposed to pretend that some blacks don’t look like apes, because it’s sensitive.

    Michelle looks like an orangutan. If we were not in this stupid clown world, we could be tactful about such things; but as it is, it needs to be said. She looks like an ape.

  142. “They do not hire just one and leave it at that. That is not how it works in the public sector here.”

    I was being casual and anecdotal, but I was spontaneously thinking “private sector’ rather than “public’ when coming up with those examples. fyi, my job is ‘publc’, and while the school district’s administrative is ‘public’ in terms of funding, it’s not part of the bargaining unit guild, so it’s budgets and staffing priorities are overseen by almost purely monetary-minded groups and committees, hence it’s sorta private in its concerns and priorities, though clearly not as much a non-publicly funded entity is.

  143. For a talented tenth black, I would generally agree working with other blacks is probably one of the harder routes you can take. You are still working with white people’s money, but I know dealing with underclass blacks all day is not easy. Another admirable route would be to be a skilled tradesman, something the black community lacks. Obsidian understood this, although I think he was unable to make it happen in his own life. The easiest road is probably working with liberal whites.

  144. Michelle isn’t pretty, but she isn’t obese, and she keeps her hair neat. Low class black women are often very heavy and sometimes leave the house with their hair going in every direction. That is a tell tale sign of ghetto to me.

  145. I hope that nikcrit isn’t called to defend Michelle’s honor here and can let that remark pass.

  146. The insidiousness of AA can only be recognized within the context of “universal equality.” At one time, black men would axe what an “even playing field” actually looked like and at least feigned desire to create it? Now, “we” just take it as a matter of fact that there was never to be an even playing field. That the aim and intent of AA is to RELENTLESSLY affirm an EQUAL SUFFERING between modern “black” and the former black slave. It is in this ethos — that modern “blacks” suffer from a “white supremacy” every bit as real and foreboding as that suffered by their slave ancestors — which defines the modern “black’s” inscrutable desire for AA at the very same time the other side of his mouth beggars for just an “even playing field.” The distorted “black” reality is that an AA regime destroyed is tantamount to falsifying an equal suffering amongst the “black” collective through all time at hands of “white supremacy.” Ergo, AA must stand by any means necessary.

  147. “For a talented tenth black, I would generally agree working with other blacks is probably one of the harder routes you can take.”

    Working with “other blacks,” many of them “underclass,” is the part of the job that I like most in my job.

    I’m going to share this and it’s heartfelt and I hope not something that anyone takes cynically: but one of the major things relevant to me in my professional development is this: I had a ‘good’ job, almost a privileged job, in that the pay was a very, very good upper-middle-class income with a generous expense account—- but it was a job in which ‘relevance’ and ‘commitment’ are very, very fleeting and eventually begin to leave you in direct proportion to one moving on in years.

    to wit: On a macro level: you wake up, you’re 28 years old; you’re in a swanky downtown Chicago hotel shacked up in side-by-side suites with, say, Soul Asylum, and you’re moving along in talking to people and gathering interesting bits and anecdotes, and slowly but surely compiling your chronicled minutia into a bona-fide magazine story that pays a relatively ‘very generous’ yield for what one could say is amusing but hardly important news and information.
    You do all this with a nice expensive account to accompany your other perks.

    But: such a feeling is a lot more fulfilling when you’re, say, 22, rather than 28. And, beyond those real privileges and dare even say blessings, you are spending a lot of time with petty, self-absorbed and vain young people; those who aren’t part of your inner-circle are petty and self-absorbed in their flexing of ‘hata’ impulses, which you also generate in abundance. All-in-all, and surely but slowly, you find yourself living life in a sort-of ‘gilded absurdity —- though not THAT gilded, because you’re always fawning over, noting and tending to subjects that are MUCH more gilded than you, which is never for a second forgotten.,etc.

    On the Micro level: And you’re doing as much for professional peers that are more or less peers who are decisively UNimpressed with my personal talents and offerings; i.e., i can’t talk to them about stuff like race and class and future cultural imaginings like i can here and even if i did they —- being peers — would be quite unimpressed with my musings.

    But in the public-school grind, coalescing, bonding and collaborating with a student body that I never quite got to know in MY adolescence, being the surburban-ized halfrican that I am, I get to impart some insight, wisdom and dare say advice that, whether or not it is good and useful, is actually APPRECIATED by those who value such offerings and welcome my intentions, at least in a way that my former peers wouldn’t, and really when you get down to it, couldn’t.

    It of course was hard in a sense giving up my former life, even though signs that it was time to do as much were everywhere. So the fact that my whole meta/macro industry was imploding anyway, (print journalism) actually made my decision and destiny easier.

  148. So whereas an Abagond has invested quite some effort in imposing this equal suffering amongst the global “black” diaspora through his academic defense of AA, a thwack has invested very little time in defense of AA thus representing to an Abagond a liberated “black” ingrate who has given next to no thought to the ABSURDITY that is “equal suffering” over time at that hands of an indomitable enemy that seems rather nonexistent.

    Yet, even this vast gulf between two radically liberated “black” males presses no influence upon their MUTUAL AVERSION to genuine wS.

    When this is the corrected frame then their internecine dispute is petty and distractionary.

    The modern “black” is radically liberated. It is the “job” of the “talented tenth” to take “it” to a final liberation from “white supremacy.” What does this exactly entail? It entails some kind of self-annihilation. Abagond “sees” this where thwack is not supposed to. In every way there is a vicious Abagond/thwack cycle that seems to exacerbate the growing insufferability of the “black” collective.

  149. edit: “i can’t talk to them about stuff like race and class and future cultural imaginings like i can here AT THIS BLOG AND IN A INNER-CITY PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT and even if i did…..” it should be.

  150. Yes Nikcrit…

    But if you really desire to get down to the nitty-gritty then you must assess your students’ take on “white supremacy?” Are they more Abagond, thwack or Nikcrit? And how does each uniquely distorted perspective help or hinder their future outcomes?

  151. “you must assess your students’ take on “white supremacy?” “

    You, like the other whites here and at similar sites, just don’t realize and/or refuse to acknowledge that city black h.s. kids and generally city blacks under-25 barely know any or acknowledge whites, negatively or positively..

    That urban black indifference and contemplative-white omnipresumptiveness I would characterize as a mutually symbiotic act of self-denialhilation . lol!!

  152. you must assess your students’ take on “white supremacy?”

    Nikcrit, the potential for comic misfire of the above aside, do you have any latitude with faith-based direction when you counsel students?

  153. You, like the other whites here and at similar sites, just don’t realize and/or refuse to acknowledge that city black h.s. kids and generally city blacks under-25 barely know any or acknowledge whites, negatively or positively..

    Only where you live, sir.

    That doesn’t describe the far less segregated South.

    But I do find it funny that blacks who don’t know any whites still manage to marry 35% of Caucasian women in Milkwaukee, as you described. 🙂 🙂 Must be a lot of arranged marriages going on there.

  154. So they are more thwack… Not at all invested in AA nor subservient to the “equal suffering” meme?

    But still…

    They are anti-wS when axed, no doubt?

  155. “But I do find it funny that blacks who don’t know any whites still manage to marry 35% of Caucasian women in Milkwaukee, as you described

    I didn’t say that; i said what you say above minus the VERY SPECIFIC CAVEAT AND DEMOGRAPHIC QUALIFIER OF THOSE 35% BEING CITY DISTRICT EMPLOYEES.

    But being the deceptive LCD addict that you are, you REPEATEDLY ignored that clarifying detail of mine. 🙂

    “do you have any latitude with faith-based direction when you counsel students?”

    You mean incorporating scripture or other religious-based info in any advice I give out?

    [yes, or even just asking the student if he has though of praying, etc without him bringing it up first — PA]

  156. @PA,

    IDK. I’d bet it’s in some sort of policy protocol, but i can’t recall ever seeing it; I’m pretty sure it would be cited and used very sparingly. I mean, you got low-education security staff and teacher’s aides, in which, say, middle-aged black women freely discuss scripture in precautionary ways, and i can’t see administration taking them to task via some lofty “You imposed religious views into your supervisory capacity over students, etc.”; informally, I would know how to protect myself with qualifying rhetoric that those aides and security staff likely wouldn’t. But i’m still pretty sure it’s not a big factor in district internal affairs investigations, etc.

    With that in mind (and being ‘mindful of’) I’d say the answer to your question is ‘yes.’

  157. As long as its black females talking about the Bible they can quote scripture all they want with impunity and no one will take them to task.

  158. yeah, cam’s right on that. I mean, can you imagine some school administrator in atlanta taking to task one of those ‘sweet jesus, lordy be’ woman for imposing religion into the public education sphere?
    It’s much more likely that the dept. superintendent would BE one of those bible-quoting ladies.

  159. Camlost
    Obama had basically ZERO political record of any kind, having short experience and about 40% “present” absentee votes during his time in the Senate.
    ————————–
    So?
    Adolph Hitler was a lowly corporal in the German army? He had no experience as a captain of industry or brilliant military tactician? He got to the top with charm and charisma the same way Obama did; so why you mad bro?

    This ain’t checkers, this is chess fool; you do what it takes to win.

    Think about it?
    Every great actor ACTED his way to the top yet you worship them?
    You slay pussy with the game you got, not the game you want; why is this so difficult for you to accept?

    You do what it takes to score; you don’t get points for yardage
    ——————————————————————————————————–

    Suburban_elk
    Again i agree with Camlost,
    With Obama you just have to accept the fact that he’s been conditioned to take it in the rear from non-Western leaders, because brown=good.
    When he bowed to the Saudi leader, that was something.
    —————————-

    Two bulls are on the top of the hill looking down on all the cows in the valley. The younger bull says to the older bull: ” Lets run down there and fuck THAT cow!” The older bull calmly responds: “lets WALK down there and fuck all of them.” You guys are so insecure about your own value that you spend too much time on posturiing and not enough on execution.

    There is great game in deferring to your lessors;

    “that man was your friend, and you killed him, like a fly…”

    Really? he’s my friend?

    Why?

    Because I bowed to him at the royal reception?
    (((shakin my head)))

    Son can’t you see?
    Obama was playin his ass; thats his job, thats YOUR job; but noooooo, you wack jobs are so busy trying to LOOK alpha that you forget to play the ENTIRE chess board.

    No female can stay mad at me more than 24 hours; everyone that has tried has failed; and Ive said and done some foul ill shit to them. The reason they can’t do it is because I already know WHY they can’t do it.

    Its got absolutly nothing to do with standin there all grim and stonefaced like Putin.
    ——————————————————————————————————-

    Suburban_elk
    However empirical statements have their place too.

    “Black and brown have a limited color scheme. Whites have more variation in their color.”
    ————————

    See, he just did it again; he made another affirmational statement; and you clowns fell for it. Think about it? white people lack color; how do you get “more variation” out of something you lack?

    His sentence should read: “Whites have a limited color scheme. Non Whites have more variation in their color.”
    But that would make it an empirical statement and racists don’t do truth; hence their constant affirmational statements.
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    Lara
    Michelle grew up with big, tough masculine black men in her life. That is probably who she feels most comfortable with. Because of her academic success, she probably felt most of the black men who fit that description were not intelligent enough for her. Hence, she settled for Barack. Life is all about trade offs.
    ————————-

    Uh, Lara?
    You’re pretty smart, and I admire your intelectual curiosity and willingness to TRY to step outside of your whiteness to investigate the mindset of Michelle Obama… I mean after all, you are 100% woman, and you are married; so it is not like you are without portfolio?

    I would only suggest you extend more of your own marriage motivations to Michelle before attempting to reveal her motivations.

    Unless that is what you are already doing?

    You are married, correct?
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    nikcrit
    “But isn’t “lightness” amongst blacks (mainly) a feature among Western blacks due to recent admixture with Europeans?”
    Yes, I thought that was a point I was emphasizing. In this country, someone could be 1/16th of African blood but would still be herded into the ‘black’ category.
    [on the macro scale the one drop rule kept north america white by preventing male mixing with darker women and then having their mixed children integrate with other whites, which is how some arab and latin american countries became by and large brown except for their ruling classes. preserving the european phenotype requires measures that ensure purity. of course, that is true of all races:

    a mulatto looks nothing like an average ghanaian. — PA]
    ————————-
    But a “mulatto” DOES look like an average Morrocan, Lybian, Egyptian… I have 3 nieces and nephews with a white parent and I fuck with their heads all the time by reminding them they look like they are “of terrorist descent”

    “you order that mother fukin goat cheese falafel crap and Im leaving”

    Let me quarterback back this:

    ” ah yes, waitress, she’ll have the HAM-burger, medium rare with AMERICAN cheese; and make it GREAT!”

    Nikcrit, do you know about the “Zwarte Piet” festival the celebrate in the Netherlands every year?

    They also have another festival every year (forgot what its called?) where they dress up in black face and costumes and re-enact the “Moors” invading and kidnapping people. It looks like a fun time; but now PC people are trying to ban it as racist. It may already be banned?

    Black people get mad when white people dress up and impersonate them; but this is incorrect. Think about how we act when we visit the monkey exhibit at the zoo?
    think about what we do?

    Exactly,

    we hoot and holler, jump up and down….
    What are we really trying to do?

    We’re trying to get the monkey to validate us, to confirm our authenticity. Ain’t no shame in that game. Martin Heidnegger wrote an entire book on it called “Being and Time.”
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    Camlost
    I’ve got no reason to doubt the oft-repeated “out of Africa” claim you hear from some scientists who say there’s wider genetic diversity within one single African village than there is in all of rest the Western world.
    (the question is what do those “diverse” genes do)
    ——————————
    Most of them don’t do nothin until SOMETHING tells them to wake the fuck up and act. YOU call this “junk DNA”, I call it Epigenetics. You gotta call it something because DNA does NOT account for non coded gene expression; so if the answer ain’t from “within”, it must be from “without?”

    During a live version of “Wild Thang” ,halfway thru Hendrix starts playing “Strangers in the Night”; then he switches back to “Wild Thang”; was that a “translation error?”, a mistake? A random mutation?

    WTF?

    Which song is older?

    Its obvious Hendrix was familiar with the “DNA” (code) of each song; but the key is: where did the SIGNAL come from to SWITCH on “Strangers in the Night” and then switch it off?

    The audience?

    Or Hendrix?

    You are not your khakis.
    ——————————————————————————

    thordaddy
    So “yes,” Obama is de facto homo…
    Whether he is also a sodomite? How does the Narrative usually tell that part of the story?
    ———–
    This is why you gotta pay attention to thordaddy no matter how laborious or enigmatic his comment is.
    ————————————————————————————-
    nikcrit
    Thwack, please use italicized font to separate your commentary from your commentary…. it’s fairly simple:
    ———–

    I know; but does PA allow blax to use HTML on his blog?

    He doesn’t want blax to have the same ability to function as white people; thats why he hates Obama.

    If I start using HTML some white girl is gonna have a black baby…is that where electrolytes come from?
    —————————————————————————————

    Camlost
    Well, black women aren’t hard to penetrate but yes they will show some crazy dedication… and help their man hide way more than just a gun:
    ——————
    By “penetrate”, I don’t mean “fuck”. I mean getting through their “shell” to the point they point they drop their all their defenses and allow themselves to experience pure vulnerability like a real woman should? This is hard to do because of the years of damage they take growing up in a racist society.

    Black males come under attack too; but our masculinity validates us even as we are attacked for it. Black females don’t have any such mechanism unless you kinda sorta give it to them. To sum up, they don’t trust you; and you know what? Why should they?
    —————————————————————————————–

    Lara
    Abagond has no sense of humor. (Rare for a black person)
    ————-
    yeah, I noticed too.
    I think he’s from the Caribbean; one of those small islands where students are taught in that strict Victorian no nonsense, wear a uniform, corporal punishment, brutal, teacher = God, “you wanna go to school or you wanna cut sugar cane in the hot sun all day… systems. They can seem arrogant and stuck up if you don’t know about it.
    ——————————————————————————–

    Suburban_elk
    thwack is too interested in his own personality, or what he might think of as style.
    ————-

    I think Suburban_Elk is too interested in my personality and my style?
    well, he also seems to be interested in big cocks too?
    ——————————————————————————————————–

    Lara
    Talented tenth blacks like yourself are coddled in our society. That’s why I say Barack lacks a certain something, he has never had to deal with adversity. A certain toughness comes from that.
    ——————–

    What?

    He’s dealing with the “adversity” right know in the form of your racism.

    You think you’re the only white person to attack black people unjustly? He’s been dealing with racist white people like you since day one, just like I have. Meanwhile, as a white woman, you wouldn’t know adversity if you tripped over it; and even if you did, all you gotta do is start CRYING and Oprah will come over and hug you and invite you on her show to share your hurt and pain with us…

    *vomit*

    Look racist white people; at the end of the day, despite all of your criticism, caterwauling, anger, butt hurt and resentment… Barack is the president and Michelle is the first lady. You’ve had 8 years to come to terms with it but you still can’t seem to understand that they won?

    Why do you clowns insist on trying to hand out points for yardage?

    “oh he’s gay, and, and, and… she’s ugly and and and…”

    What?

    Barbara Bush looked like the Quaker Oats man?

    Lara, I know you’re a white; (with a name like that WTF else could you be?) but as a married woman, you should not be boarding the short bus with all these other losers. As a married woman you know good and well that she did the same thing you did: went for the best deal she could get. That what you did, thats what my mom did, thats what EVERY woman trys to do.

    The only thing different about Michelle Obama is she actually pulled it off; so why you hatin?

    Matter of fact, you can hate Obama for his policies; but Michelle didn’t run for First Lady? Do you think she thought she was marrying a future president on her wedding day?

    She probably just felt lucky to be getting married LIKE YOU DID.

    Does Michelle need to be smacked around from time to time and reminded how lucky she is?
    Sure; but so does Mrs. Neil Armstrong (she divorced him AFTER he became the first man to walk on the moon)

    Do you feel lucky?

    Well do ya?
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    Suburban_elk
    The bottom line is that affirmative action is used against qualified white people. That is what it is designed to do, and that is what it does.
    ———–

    Nope, “affirmative action” is compensation for racist white people like you practicing racism right now.

    Im 100% certain some white people have helped me because they knew white people like you were attacking me UNJUSTLY. I didn’t know who was attacking me; BUT THEY DID. Now I know too.

    And now you in trouble.

    So now you duckin me, now you takin early retirement, now you fakin Alzheimer’s disease…

    Thats alright, I ain’t mad at ya, its hard being a white man today:

    “Once upon a time, you dressed so fine
    threw the nigs a dime, in your prime,
    didn’t you?

    Welcome to my world Casper.

  160. Adolph Hitler was a lowly corporal in the German army? He had no experience as a captain of industry or brilliant military tactician? He got to the top with charm and charisma the same way Obama did; so why you mad bro?

    It’s called reading comprehension, my nigga. Try it sometime.

    I was making a larger point that Obama was a blank slate because he lacked experience, not that I thought his meager experience was BAD in and of itself. I’m well aware that many of our presidents were former generals, lawyers and log choppers without political background.

    Barbara Bush looked like the Quaker Oats man?

    LOL, I will give you points for this decently funny quip, but again my point is that Michelle Obama is vaunted as some great beauty by the media. I don’t expect too many 50 year old women to be lookers, first lady or not. And I also pointed out that she is the classic Affirmative Action case – she acknowledged her shitty test scores, wrote a terrible, barely literate thesis about being black (what else?) and got a 450K$ annual public sector “diversity” job thru political connections – btw, that salary is higher than that of the Presidency itself.

    I think he’s from the Caribbean; one of those small islands where students are taught in that strict Victorian no nonsense, wear a uniform, corporal punishment, brutal, teacher = God, “you wanna go to school or you wanna cut sugar cane in the hot sun all day… systems.

    Sounds like what “you people” need here in America considering the utter lack of home training conferred by your crappy parenting skills.

    Its got absolutly nothing to do with standin there all grim and stonefaced like Putin.

    Look, I’d be all for Obama’s new style of ass kissing foreign policy if he kowtowed for the cameras and for the photo ops on the front end, but then got some actual policy concessions on the back end when it’s time to play hard ball. That method would’ve gotten the bad taste of Bush out of the mouth of world leaders, and sure is cheaper than starting new wars that cost $1 billion per month like Iraq/Afghanistan did for nearly a decade.

    However, once he got that Nobel Prize strictly for being black he starting thinking his actually job is just the ass kissing, in and of itself.

    Meanwhile, as a white woman, you wouldn’t know adversity if you tripped over it; and even if you did, all you gotta do is start CRYING and Oprah will come over and hug you and invite you on her show to share your hurt and pain with us…

    Because, as white folks we actually find permanent solutions to adversity that conquer it. You know, shit like air conditioning, medecine, roads, walls, science, bridges, toilets, boats, etc. – meanwhile endlessly struggling and fumbling blacks can make millions in entertainment or sports but still live check to check and end up broke 10 minutes after their career is not “poppin'” anymore.

    Most of them don’t do nothin until SOMETHING tells them to wake the fuck up and act. YOU call this “junk DNA”, I call it Epigenetics.

    In other words, your genotype doesn’t leave you well suited for life in modern western civilization… I tend to agree.

    Nope, “affirmative action” is compensation for racist white people like you practicing racism right now.

    We should compensate you for being so politically and militarily weak that you couldn’t defend yourself from other niggas that wanted to drag you to the coast and trade you for rum and pistols? No thanks.

  161. During a live version of “Wild Thang” ,halfway thru Hendrix starts playing “Strangers in the Night”; then he switches back to “Wild Thang”;

  162. thwack came to play
    at the pool
    he’s there all day
    he won’t go away

    he’s at the pool
    and at the pool
    he will stay

    the cat named thwack

    what he wants to say
    is never clear
    it’s never dear
    it’s never near
    might as well be near-beer

    what he wants to say
    might as well be gay
    to listen to his neighing gay-say

    the horse named thwack

    that horse is black
    and is sad under attack
    a black horse that’s left his barn and can’t come back
    that sad black horse they call thwack

    a fool named thwack
    offered advice
    that didn’t make sense
    it was met
    with indifference

  163. @elk,
    amusing verse, but we’re all foolish here at times. btw, i don’t think anyone but upper-midwesterners of roughly our age are going to know what ‘near-beer’ is….

    OT@PA,

    After you posted that Verve vid a week or two ago i revisited a bit of their music and some of their videos; i don’t think i ever, not even once, saw those guys perform, be it club days, or full-size venue days….. maybe if they were the undercard of some multi-act bill, festival or something, but nothing clearly comes to mind. I know that ‘bittersweet symphony’ was a big hit, but as oblivious as it seems, i vaguely thought of that as some U2 song, or U2-ish song that may or may not have been by them, but that i didn’t pay much attention to;; i like the vid a lot more than i do the music to that song.

  164. — I know that ‘bittersweet symphony’ was a big hit, but as oblivious as it seems, i vaguely thought of that as some U2 song, or U2-ish song that may or may not have been by them

    You may have read about this, the manager(?) of Rolling Stones songs sued The Verve over ripping off an obscure Stones song. To my untrained ear, the two songs sound nothing alike, but he won and Verve guys have not made a cent on Bittersweet Symphony

    — i like the vid a lot more than i do the music to that song.

    I like both. The song’s opening notes sound arrestingly upbeat to me. For some reason I really dig the part where he says “the airwaves are clean.” Glad you like the video. Obviously, I imposed my own interpretation over the “shitlord’s progress” but still, it fits due to the coherent narrative trajectory that begged me to impose a story arc over it.

  165. Thwack’s use of the r-word… it’s impossible to take anyone who uses it in earnest seriously as a comedian or whatever. A Black person complaining about racism admits to the Black’s innate inability to compete with Whites on a level playing field, so he’s making a pleading appeal to two parties: to the gullibility of the White person on whom the word works and to the metaphoric Dobermans I mentioned in the newest post.

    He is asking the White man to drain himself of his human essence. Bleed him until he’s a lobotomized automaton who sees no race.

    Or, he’s being disingenuous. After all (to use the analogous European example) — muslim migrants to all those countries whose young people cheered “Refugees Welcome” are gracious guests. Or back to the USA — why is it always the non-racists who get polar-bear’d? A couple of months ago a couple of yooofs stabbed a liberal gay activist on the DC Metro in broad daylight on a “good line.” The Red Line just outside of Union Station, which I travel on occasion. And yet I am very racist and Blacks generally like and respect me.

  166. I know; i recall when that case was in the news; it’s outrageous—– the alleged plagiarism, was supposedly re. to the two chords IN THE VERSE, the most nondescript part of western pop music by far. I mean, if you’re going to indict that, you might as well accuse half the american pop canon of cannibalizing the other half! I think i recall jagger or maybe richards himself saying it was silly (which would mean that the stones themselves don’t fully own that particular piece of their back catalog, which i think they lost in a milestone legal dispute in the early 70s, in which the stones more or less have to consider some date in the early 70s, around their Sticky Fingers period, as Day-One in terms of their royalty ledger and back-catalog debut…

    the most famous pop-plagiarism case i would say was the case of George Harrison’s “My Sweet Lord” being cited for over-appropriating the Chiffons “He’s so Fine.” That was much more egregious than the Stones snafu, but still absurd IMO.

    You be the judge; did Ashcroft pinch to much? Or did he not?

  167. Thwack’s use of the r-word… it’s impossible to take anyone who uses it in earnest seriously as a comedian or whatever.

    Well, the use of the term has expanded quite a bit. It now simply denotes anything black people don’t like.

  168. — the alleged plagiarism, was supposedly re. to the two chords IN THE VERSE, the most nondescript part of western pop music by far. I mean, if you’re going to indict that, you might as well accuse half the american pop canon of cannibalizing the other half

    Something I quickly noticed as someone who taught himself to play the guitar at 38 and makes no pretense to musical talent is that the A-D-E chord pattern is part of many pop, rock, and country songs. Or G-C alternating with A-D.

    — George Harrison’s “My Sweet Lord” being cited for over-appropriating the Chiffons “He’s so Fine.”

    Also Radiohead’s “Creep” for plagiarizing The Hollies “The Air that I Breathe.”

  169. As i read it, and to give him the benefit of the doubt: the implied goal of his participation here is to help White Advocates improve their game in politics, and that by way of their interpersonals.

    Black Americans would be natural allies to white Americans in this their hour of need. That sounds like some drama, or the set-up for a movie of the future – but it is actually very much true, for various reasons which can all piece together.

    Most simply, that America will be a better place to live in if white people are in charge; and how ironic is it, that the Americans best placed to open the door for explicit white politics, are blacks.

    It is pretty ironic. I want to repeat this point until it is proven untrue, or until white people themselves affirm their identity, with or without any help from their former slaves and current rivals.

    **************

    Speaking of affirmations; in today’s post, thwack again failed to grasp a basic point that i made upthread, about the value of affirmations as opposed to empirical statements, in the arena of identity politics. So the guy cannot be reasoned with. I will not recap the point under contention, that he failed to grasp, because i summed it up fairly well the first time. (Affirmations are essentially value judgments, and as such are more appropriate for identity politics than empirical statements which are the realm of something else entirely; and anyone placing empirical statements on a pedestal in this political argument is a fool or worse: a pretentious fool.)

    Affirmations are what it is about. Though they require caution so that they don’t seem too gay,

    Yay! i am white

    would be an example of a gay affirmation.

    Yeah i have a big dick

    would be a more typical black affirmation, but comparable in a mirror image sort of way.

    **************

    As for thwack’s suggestion that epigenetics activates junk dna; frankly who here is qualified to speak on that question?

    I am not, and am 99.99999999999 per cent that neither is he. If someone does want to take up that question and in layman’s terms, and can do so with some knowledge and authority, please do.

  170. I take back what I said about the two songs (Stones’ and Verves’) sounding “nothing alike.” In Nikcrit’s video, there is a lot is similarity. I probably listened to the wrong Rolling Stones song earlier. Just did some cursory web searching on the lawsuit. The Verve did negotiate to sample from the Stones song, but the plaintiff asserted that they used too much.

    I can see the songwriting credits being extended to Jagger and Richards, but the 100% loss of of royalties ruling is absurd.

  171. really? I don’t see that, and have some relatively contextual and detailed opinion on the subject of pop plagiarism. See, at this late date, or even decades, there have been so many songs using a familiar bluies-pop chord sequence, the combinative possibilities were exhausted literally decades ago, at which point a more sophisticated method of similarity was applied —- or m ake that ‘had to be applied’ if pop plagiarism was to remain an actionable practice, thus illegal. So, eventually, the melodic overlay of certain chordal sequence, keyboard or guitarist-based that sequence, was introduced into the measure of appropriation —– and here too there is little to go on, as is this case in many-upon-many pop songs, i.e., the verse, or the part of the song that features the one-time lyrics, the story aspect —- NOT the repeated chorus which often features the song title — is nondescript to the extreme in this case. “The Last Time” itself is derivative of a bah-zillion blues and gospel artists’ records, who of course don’t have the lawyers and public-sentiment overlay (nor the accrued-royalty level) that make these absurd lawsuits A) possible and B) monetarily worth the bother.

    In any case, even without any of what I said considered in one’s determination, i don’t see hard similarity in those two verses. Perception is a very subjective field —– and for some a quite expensive one! lol

    [my ruling: the judge was probably a baby boomer who resented a genx band — PA]

  172. “The Verve did negotiate to sample from the Stones song”

    Really? I didn’t even know that much. If so, it must—- has to be! —– a case of the Verve not following AGREED UPON STIPULATIONS. such stipulations are usuaslly the physical length of a sample of a literal pre-existing song, in this case being the Stones’ “The Last Time.” It has to be some cut-n-dried pre-agreed-upon aspect that was violated, some quantitative measure that wasn’t followed.

  173. lara — “There is a huge white middle class with a large range of skills. That just does not exist for blacks. “

    nikcrit – This is absolute nonsense and part of a much bigger issue. First, after granting that identiy politics exist, are huge and affect many-upon-many things for-and-against whites and blacks, we need to address this myth by the anti-affirmation action crowd that professional career and labor skills are or even can be accorded after measuring a candidate’s worth via real, finely measured increments of worth, skill-level, ability, adding up to ‘merit.’

    Here’s a truthful antidote to that toxic myth: for every professional job that is filled by a competent individual, there are a 1,001 other competent people of every color who will never get that job; i.e., they weren’t denied or overlooked because they didn’t possess that oh-so-perfect mixture adding up to ‘merit.’

    Superman, before I even jump in to address this absurdity, I hope you’ll answer three questions – (1) have you ever done any real volume of hiring for white-collar jobs, and then had to stake your own name on the results of those you chose? (2) have you ever had to sign paychecks to both NAMs and white people? (3) have you ever stopped to wonder why blacks are always filing mass “disparate impact” lawsuit for police and fire jobs, but never to much more lucrative software programming or sales positions?

  174. Cam, there’s a logical argument that AA is unfair; but it’s usually countered with this hackneyed argument driven hard by the the false premise that employment is accorded after parsing some finely quantifiable increment of merit; y’know: some high-end elite position with 50 4.0 GPA Ivy-league graduates applying and the lucky winner found after pouring offer his just-right mixture of public service and other extracurricular distinctions. Looks? Nah, they don’t matter. Money? Nah, don’t matter if the candidates Dad is a big-wig alumni who donates five-figures every year to the school or company’s endowment fund or charity funds. Connections with executives at the place of employment? Nah, that’s beyond the pale —— in the white corporate world, everything is bestowed through objective consideration of a pure and absolute ‘level playing field.’
    I actually served on the ‘admissions committee’ of my humanities dept. graduate-admissions committee; (that role itself was a politicized spot, probably to tend to ‘diversity’ considerations. I just think it’s funny that conceit that AA is this supreme and SOLE outrage in an otherwise egalitarian vetting process.

    No, I like my equating of AA with the economic principle of “scarcity.” In my particular job, ethnic background was arguably a very valid consideration on who would be granted the position. In good faith, I conceded up front that the current zeitgeist favors skilled NAMs who’ve, beyond their race and ethnicity, have distinguished themselves in universally quantifiable ways, i.e., GPA and extracurricular deeds, etc.; and I even acknowledged that one could make a logical argument that outright nepotism and other elite in-house maneuvers are conceivably valid in the sense that they are the right of the accomplished in the preserving of ‘their’ institutions.

    But the outrage toward AA, buttressed by these insinuations that it’s this rare, out-of-character concession to biased priority, is a joke.

    Even in IT and other NAM impoverished fields of employment, there are valid pro and anti AA arguments; it’s just the frequent criticism of it being some sort of uniquely outrageous priority that makes me laugh.

    Now when you come back and attack my reply here, please consider the many qualifications I made to your points in that rebuttal. 🙂

  175. p.s. @Cam: And to answer your numbered questions, they are “no,” “no” and “no.”

    Here’s a consideration, though off the top of my head: Being, say, a white scion —— avg. grades and record but your parents are multi-millionaires and generous endowment benefactors; and being a NAM with good grades —— both are personal fates that are, more or less, beyond one’s individual will and —– here and now in the early 21st-century —– are fates that can largely determine your outcome in certain applicable endeavors.

    So why is the scion accepted and understandable in AR circles but the AA candidate not so much, if at all?

    Self-interest is understandable —– but it should at least be acknowledged IMHO.

  176. So why is the scion accepted and understandable in AR circles but the AA candidate not so much, if at all?

    A very valid question. I don’t have any problem with Michelle Obama reaping the benefits of “privilege” that can exist in a capitalist society when you have good parenting.

    What I do have a problem with is her continuing to bitch, whine and moan about “racism” like when she went to Target and got mistaken for working there by some white lady.

    See the difference?

  177. At an Ivy League school, how much more likely is it that a randomly selected black student has been favored by affirmative action than that a randomly selected white student by whatever it is that randomly selected white students are supposedly favored by?

    How many legacy slots are there at those schools, and how unqualified are the kids who fill them.

    I bet 90+ per cent of the black students in the Ivy League would not qualify by their test scores. There is that one kid from Nigeria.

  178. There is such a thing as Privilege and it comes in its white form and its black.

    But it’s not what it’s cracked up to be. nikcrit seems to think that there is a lot of white privilege in the form of legacy admissions to wherever – high level schools and jobs and society. But those legacy tracks are out of reach of 99.whatever percent of white people, so imbuing white people with that sort of privilege is a misleading idea.

    And it is a misleading idea that still exists in the heads of a lot of non-whites. It certainly is promulgated in the media. But that upper class track has been overgrown and lost to the weeds since a long time ago. I don’t even know that it even exists. How many actual Old Money families are there?

    Aside from the Bushes and Elaine Benes is there even one?

  179. The Unfairness of the comparison of white and black privilege, in its role of helping with admissions and good jobs, is that:

    Every single last black face qualifies for the black privilege of affirmative action;

    Whereas only the select few whites qualify for the white privilege.

  180. “Whereas only the select few whites qualify for the white privilege.”

    Only the select few whites qualify for the white privilege that helps with admissions to good schools and sinecures and high society, is what that statement is intended for.

    The more general white privilege of other white people being more comfortable around, is another story.

    But if the issue is admissions and good jobs, the relevant race-based privilege is more accessible to blacks than it is to whites.

    A black person only has to lose the ghetto style and he gets the privilege of favored selection; a white person has to have a legacy connections or something similar, and 99+ percent of whites do not have that.

  181. My point is for smart blacks, there are more useful jobs they could be doing for the black community than what they often end up doing. There seems to be a shortage of swim clubs in Philadelphia. Some enterprising black person should look into creating swim clubs. There is plenty of cheap real estate.

  182. There seems to be a shortage of swim clubs in Philadelphia. Some enterprising black person should look into creating swim clubs.

    Black areas can’t sustain a swim club financially any more than they can sustain decent amenities like corner shops or full service restaurants.

    And the question of qualified lifeguards is big issue, too. Here’s what happens at swimming pools in a black area:

    http://kfor.com/2015/06/29/witness-lifeguards-couldnt-swim-perform-cpr-when-teen-nearly-drowned-at-community-pool/

  183. “Some enterprising black person should look into creating swim clubs.”

    I thought we were told that we lack swimming ability in the aggregate.

    Are you trying to drown us?

  184. Aside from the Bushes and Elaine Benes is there even one?

    @elk: Yes, there are plenty; I saw some at UW and plenty-upon-plenty in Hyde Park; there are rich families created during every boom and era —— I mean, some of the second-tier executives at Microsoft may not be household names, but they’re often worth tens of millions of dollars.

    And not to nitpick, as I got your larger point re. overall b-vs-w entrace-exam scores, but there are plenty of scion fuck-ups at Ivies or their equivalent; at UC there were shiteloads of freshmen undergrads driving around in BMWs (a present for the feat of graduating from high-school), who’d fail their classes, get junked up on ‘scripts and screw around in m yriad ways —– the whole upper-middle-class (and higher) forms of dissipation; and though I can’t prove it, I would be very surprised if a lot of kids lie and cheat and in a million other ways ‘buy’ in some form their grades, despite the insane grade-inflation that already exists.

    At the grad school level, there are tons of dilettantes floating around; only in law school and med school do you see pretty much everybody on the up-and-up. (And maybe not even in law school; to wit: I remember seeing a story in the nytimes re. some reprints of syllabuses from the law school classes taught be Obama; the questions were surprisingly rank and simple and there was even a note by him saying words to the effect of “No, you don’t have to type your paper; but if you hand-write it make sure its legible, etc. It struck me as very high-school-ish, almost remedial.)

  185. I thought we were told that we lack swimming ability in the aggregate.

    You know damn well that black people can’t swim, you didn’t need us to tell you so stop playing the passive voice:

    http://www.takepart.com/article/2015/06/29/nothing-funny-70-percent-black-americans-cant-swim

    Amongst that 70% who can’t swim some have sat by watching kids drown:

    http://abcnews.go.com/WN/teens-drown-wading-louisianas-red-river/story?id=11312631

    Swimming just doesn’t come easy to blacks due to bone density and hollowness issues – a black swim instructor told me that once. Swimming is easier and buoyancy comes natural to you if you have large, hollow bones in the joints, especially in the leg, ankle and wrist.

  186. Here’s that story re. Obama’s style and approach while teaching law,

    We really didn’t need to be there to know that he injected race, class and gender into every subject.

  187. Cam is rather cranky today; perhaps this quote from the Obama story will encourage him to reboot this morning:

    He was wary of noble theories, students say; instead, they call Mr. Obama a contextualist, willing to look past legal niceties to get results.

    For another, Mr. Obama liked to provoke. He wanted his charges to try arguing that life was better under segregation,

    [“ooh, oooh, pick me, professor, pick me! can I answer that one??”]

    that black people were better athletes than white ones.

    “I remember thinking, ‘You’re offending my liberal instincts,’ ” Mary Ellen Callahan, now a privacy lawyer in Washington, recalled.

  188. I saw that story; how do they explain the hiring process if y ou have a lifeguard at a public pool who can’t swim.

    Do you think Affirmative Action was in play?

  189. He was wary of noble theories, students say; instead, they call Mr. Obama a contextualist, willing to look past legal niceties to get results.

    LOL. In other words, “Who, Whom?” is more important than actual commitment to objective laws or standards.

  190. I saw that story; how do they explain the hiring process if y ou have a lifeguard at a public pool who can’t swim.

    Do you think Affirmative Action was in play?

    Nah, not in this case. It’s not like your normal teenage, college-bound whites were applying for this job and getting turned down – this is in area of South Dekalb where there’s probably almost no white youths living within (literally) a 10-12 mile radius in each direction.

  191. During a live version of “Wild Thang” ,halfway thru Hendrix starts playing “Strangers in the Night”; then he switches back to “Wild Thang”;
    ——————-

    Thanks a lot for ruining my analogy Nikcrit. You completely fukced up the context by posting that retarded youtoob clip. Who ever made that video should go shoot themselves in the head; and your monkey ass should be forced to clean up the blood.

    Fukc this gay ass internet

    …………………………………………………………………………………………

    Suburban_Elk
    As for thwack’s suggestion that epigenetics activates junk dna;
    —————————————–

    Where did I say that?

    I never said that.

    I said “DNA does NOT account for non coded gene expression”. YOU are the one making the “junk DNA” activation claim.

    The only claim Im making is; its ridiculous to imply foresight and agency to a random, unguided, purposeless, MINDLESS phenomenon;
    and,
    you ain’t your fukcin khakis bro.

    ———————————————————————————————-

    Lara
    There seems to be a shortage of swim clubs in Philadelphia. Some enterprising black person should look into creating swim clubs. There is plenty of cheap real estate.
    —————————-

    “and everyone lived happily ever after with Unicorns, Rainbows and Dolphins… *sigh*”

    lara,

    You are so friggin white it hurts

    (((shakin my head)))

    Don’t you know that before you can make any place for black people you gotta figure out how to keep idle nigros, drug dealers, trouble makers…. from camping out in your parking lot? This pool would be empty and the parking lot would be full. Full of what?

    Full of nonsense thats what; loud gangsta rap “music” , nigros waxin they rides, doing oil changes, eatin fried chicken, drug transactions, pimp activity…

    Girl you got a lot to learn.

    Maybe one day when you lose as much money on neegrows as I have, you’ll be as smart as I am.

  192. Don’t you know that before you can make any place for black people you gotta figure out how to keep idle nigros, drug dealers, trouble makers…. from camping out in your parking lot?

    Full of nonsense thats what; loud gangsta rap “music” , nigros waxin they rides, doing oil changes, eatin fried chicken, drug transactions, pimp activity…

    Down South many gas stations have solved that problem by blasting classical musical in the parking lot. That clears ’em out quick.

    Down here at Freaknic you had 200,000 nubian kings and queens migrate into town every spring to loiter for a whole week. They’d force malls to close down 3 hours early because they’d just go to the food court en masse and stand there. (literally, they’d just stand there, buying nothing and posing and posturing until the fights and gunfire start). After getting removed from there they would choke up major thoroughfares and park their cars at major intersections blocking the road, at which point they’d just get out and party in the middle of everything – they would set up grills and folding tables and start having a cookout – right in the middle of the street in Downtown Atlanta, right under the skyscrapers.

    In Myrtle Beach they have “black biker” week during Spring Break and the businesses there would just close for the entire week since they didn’t make any money, and inherited nothing but trouble and headache. But then the DoJ stepped in and forced the businesses to stay open or face major sanctions.

    overall b-vs-w entrace-exam scores, but there are plenty of scion fuck-ups at Ivies or their equivalent; at UC there were shiteloads of freshmen undergrads driving around in BMWs (a present for the feat of graduating from high-school),

    Funny story, I used to date this hot prole country girl who worked in a construction office, I’d visit there on Friday afternoons sometime. It was all white female admin girls there, including one really thick and not-so-cute white girl who was well known to be a coalburner who always had a layabout brother sponging off her.

    One day all of us were sitting there and she’s talking about shopping for a new car and I say “well, why you really need to find yourself a BMW” She’s like “oh, maybe a sedan?” And I’m like “No, maybe a Black Man Working” to the intense laughter of all the people there, she even had to chuckle her own fat self.

    I missed my calling, shoulda been a comedian.

  193. Thwack, you were more toned down in today’s comment. Regarding your comment yesterday, I was too busy to reply in-line but one thing I wanted to respond to: your possibly facetious or disingenuous statement that Black women have hard fronts due to racism. Allow me to retort. I’d blame early sexualization. No, not makeouts behind the bleachers in junior high school with a boy. I mean things like formative memories of hearing her mother fucked by fly-by males, some of whom may have also messed around with her.

    Remember my comment a while back about Whites having warrior-wiring and Blacks having fucker-wiring? There is this unsettling thing for non-Blacks to see, which is little Black kids (male and female) getting preternaturally rhythmy to a song they like and shaking their hips in ways that would have been frowned upon at a non-Black high school prom. I don’t know how much of it is normal and natural for Blacks, and how much of it comes form rap/TV/wurlstarhiphop/whatever. Oprah Winfrey talked about her uncle or another adult male molesting her at her young age. The male-male down-low thing. Shit that happens in places no White light shines that I don’t want to know about.

    Black women and racism? I once saw a gargantuan, jawly, lifeless-eyes Black woman with a kid or two loading up a nice minivan with bags upon bags of Bed Bath and Beyond merchandise and I wondered, what transactional value does she bring to the market to get all that stuff? Then I thought, why is she so hippopotamly fat? Whoever sticks his dick into her hard-to-reach-with-toilet-paper areas is not of the same specie as I am.

    What’s racism got to do with her life? Racism is as irrelevant to her life as the Bondy–Chvatal theorem.

  194. I mean things like formative memories of hearing her mother fucked by fly-by males, some of whom may have also messed around with her.

    That’s a racist comment !! (unless depicted in a black movie by Lee Daniels and then it’s not only true but somehow also commendable, high cinema to show it)

  195. There is this unsettling thing for non-Blacks to see, which is little Black kids (male and female) getting preternaturally rhythmy to a song they like and shaking their hips in ways that would have been frowned upon at a non-Black high school prom.

    Tosh 2.0 covered this hilariously:

    http://tosh.cc.com/video-clips/sklsrt/20-seconds-on-the-clock—kids-grinding

    Also, my video about the pseudo-stripper dances at the pep rally in black-run school district here. Officials at the school weren’t suspended until whites outside the county started complaining and the local news showed the video:

  196. LOL that video. That, and Thwack’s description of a parking lot reminded me of a commenter elsewhere who said that at some level, some Blacks must be perplexed with White tolerance.

    — 200,000 nubian kings and queens

    I’m reading Tin Tin comic books and its amazing how good they are on a number of levels as well as being funny. There is this one story in which Tin Tin goes to a fictitious Latin American country and gets caught up in local intrigues, in which a despotic local general/strongman takes a liking to him and impulsively commissions Tin Tin to be a colonel in his army. One of the general’s advisors says “but sir, we already have 20,000 colonels, and only 20 corporals…”

    In that same story, there is a subplot about an American Oil executive bribing that same general to declare war on the neighboring country in order to annex its oil fields. His objective was to grab those fields before British Oil gets there first. The general takes the bribe and the next day, his newspapers stoke war-fever in the populace, who take to the streets to go to war against that neighboring country.

  197. One of the general’s advisors says “but sir, we already have 20,000 colonels, and only 20 corporals…”

    I’m convinced that every African name translates to King, Queen or Prince.

  198. @PA,
    PA, your 12:31 p.m. comment is nothing more than you eloquently articulating your absolute alienation from those of African descent. There’s also a heavy cultural alienation, but it’s first and foremost an intercontinental disconnect of humanity.

    It’s interesting, because in my mind your anti-black soulmate here, Camlost, suffers from an inverted form of alienation: disgust and despair over hte fact that he was a whigger in his formative years and is now ashamed of having such an aspirational identity. This results in over-compensatory behavior when it comes to the denigration of blacks; every puerile insult is supplemented by a scientific detail and precision (hence, the detailed explication of how ‘bone density’ accounts for that black inability to swim; or the tendency of blacks to stay away from “higher-seal-level residential areas” because social-welfare benefits abound less in such an environment).

    I think PA had a more neutral acceptance of blacks, if not black aspiration, upon coming here. Cam’s founding encounter with negritude was more primal, archetypical and, thus, traumatic. Still, both you two are overcompensatory in disavowing your negro shadowselves

    I should’ve been a shrink, eh? I’m sorry, I’m sorta disavowing my claim of being against amateur mind-reading. But I recall that avatar Rifleman back at GLP venturing those psycho-racial profiles of you and PA and despite me not thinking much of his commentary, I thought he touched upon something prime and foundational in theories about you two, even if I didn’t necessarily agree with the thrust of said analysis.

  199. One of the general’s advisors says “but sir, we already have 20,000 colonels, and only 20 corporals…”

    And a lot of tropical people just never learned how to cooperate because they never had to – they never conquered the physical barriers that kept tribes apart. Papua new Guinea has HUNDREDS of separate languages despite being smaller than Texas and having a population of only around 7 million – but most rural settlements have no traffic with others because of the heavy vegetation and difficult terrain, so “big man” tribalism still rules the roost.

  200. (hence, the detailed explication of how ‘bone density’ accounts for that black inability to swim;

    Nik, please read. I said that swimming doesn’t come easy to some people for physiological reasons. Heavy, compact muscle is not great for buoyancy but almost anyone can learn to swim well enough to save themselves. But for some people that might require swim lessons.

    It’s like saying that Vietnamese people aren’t ideally suited for becoming 1st-Team All NBA performers due to short limbs, small hands and smaller stature. It’s just a fact.

    For someone who played and now follows several sports you sure act pretty clueless about this stuff. Would you prefer that I spout off liberal MSM platitudes about how grrrrrls can compete with men in anything they put their mind to? (including becoming heavyweight MMA champ in the men’s division one day)

  201. @MGE,

    What’s outrageous in that Detroit scandal is the vendor was the sort-of ringleader of the whole scame and is into the tax payers for over $5.7 million —— five times more than the teacher featured in the scandal —– but they let BOTH of them roll over on the others and cut leniency deals with them. God only knows what kind of damage the “Big Fish” in this undercover operation pulled in

  202. Nikcrit…

    There is something shameful in acting nigger. And there is something suspiciously alien about the radical “black” collective. Fortunately, EVERY “black” individual can decide for himself whether he’ll be nigger, whether he’ll join the radical “black” collective or whether there will be a convergence of both… A “black” individual turning nigger as he enters the radical “black” collective?

    In the meta-racial scheme, this ^^^ is our general reality for the last 50 plus years only now set to an exponential conversion.

    “Black” individual –> nigger –> radical “black” collective…

    ThIs ^^^ a solid identifier with incredible explanatory power.

    The default assumption is that Abagond, thwack and Nikcrit exist ALL IN ONE nigger’s mind.

    Your conceit, Nikcrit, is that the nigger is not the dominant “black” individual while the “white supremacist” is the lowliest of whites.

    This perverted frame is evidence of your radical autonomy.

  203. “Nik, please read. I said that swimming doesn’t come easy to some people for physiological reasons.”

    I’m not questioning the scientific validity of your observations; I’m pointing out how they come off in contrast to your general pattern of backing up your crude slurs with obligatory scientific cover —– I’m noting the effect that creates. I’m making subjective observation here, not disputing something empirical.

    What’d you think of my Freud act there re. you and PA? Am I on to something?

  204. My cousin was densely muscled as a child and he would sink rather than float. He still learned to swim. It’s a parental responsibility to make sure your kids learned to swim. My brother is opposed to HBD because he thinks black people will use it as an excuse. I think he has a point.

  205. I personally don’t care if a black dance squad dances suggestivly. I’m not sure why any white person would care.

  206. The motivation to destroy “white privilege,” ie., a subjective privileging amongst whites, is strong evidence of the near absolute nonexistent of “black privilege” (and all subjective preference in a radically liberated society). So when the media tells “you” that “blacks” are “tribal” this is, first, liberal euphemism for “primitive,” BUT IS PERCEIVED by the dull masses as “blacks” strong in privileging other “blacks” because all are “black.”

    In reality, “black” self-annihilation is the stuff of demonic proportions. There is literally no solution to “it” OTHER THAN BECOME ITS cannon fodder!

    And even though so many “white” self-annihilators share this fundamental pathology that JUST MUST be a breakdown in father and family, there are those wS that stand opposed and recognize “white privilege,” even in its flawed execution, is a sign of the white man’s desire for CIVILization.

    Where does this ethos exist amongst the “black” collective AS A PUBLIC VOICE?

  207. I personally don’t care if a black dance squad dances suggestivly. I’m not sure why any white person would care.

    You realize that’s a public school and an official event?

  208. What’s outrageous in that Detroit scandal is the vendor was the sort-of ringleader of the whole scame and is into the tax payers for over $5.7 million —— five times more than the teacher featured in the scandal —– but they let BOTH of them roll over on the others and cut leniency deals with them. God only knows what kind of damage the “Big Fish” in this undercover operation pulled in

    Norman Shy is the elusive ringleader.. I’m not sure what kind of deal he cut, but I’m sure he will get more than just a slap on the wrist.

    This is just the latest and frankly least shocking annual DPS scandal, in a district where the executives are among the highest paid in the country.

    http://www.wxyz.com/news/fix-my-schools/facing-bankruptcy-detroit-public-schools-executives-are-still-among-the-highest-paid-in-the-country

    In 2009, the state governor appointed Robert Bobb as the emergency manager of the bankrupt school system. For the first time in years, the district underwent a proper audit, in which they found over 250 “ghost employees” had been cashing paychecks for years at a time. A few high level embezzlers were shaken out and prosecuted in that audit as well.

  209. disgust and despair over hte fact that he was a whigger in his formative years and is now ashamed of having such an aspirational identity.

    Disgust, despair, shame? wtf ….nah… not at all. Why? Rap was actually somewhat decent back then, lol. And I had a glam rock phase for a while and also wanted to cut my hair short on one side like the Thompson Twins for a minute but my family never would’ve let me get out the door looking like that. You didn’t have any youthful phases that you outgrew?

    I don’t “reject” or hate blacks, not at all. Which is probably necessary since I’ve got several talented tenth types on my payroll, many of whom make anywhere from 1x to 4x the median salary here in the country.

    I’m just honest about black folks and don’t need to ascribe any qualities they don’t have, but they’re just as human as the rest of us. Like anyone else, their success in this economy depends on their values, behavioral traits, abilities and demeanor.

    Individually blacks can be cheerful, funny and pleasant to be around. They tend to enjoy the moment right where they are without needing any special surroundings or circumstances, and others could stand to learn something from that. But when you get around too many black folks in one place (along with some liquor) there’s gonna be some sh** going down – that’s just a fact. If the USA still had the demographic profile we had in 1983 I wouldn’t be so worried about how our changing ethnic fabric will affect the future of the country, to be honest.

  210. People are certainly allowed to have an opinion, I just think ultimately their own parents and teachers can decide what is appropriate or not. I’m not really interested in cheerleading and dance competitions, so I’m probably not the best person to ask.

  211. “I’m not sure why any white person would care.”

    It’s their chance to present their centuries-old Calvinistic repression as something as something honorable and superior to pagan urges and inspiration.

    Which I suppose it is: all that redirected eros and energy to fuck was transfigured into technological innovation and other forms of advanced civilization.

    So between the pagans and the west, I”d say it’s a draw.

  212. I think the “wigger” archetype is definitely outdated. I just don’t think wiggers really exist anymore in any serious way (aside from Rachel Dolezolozlz) because the pop culture zeitgeist is sooo mixed up now. That is, it is not necessary to be a wigger to seriously enjoy black music or culture, and vice versa. In my professional circle I know suburban white guys who listen to almost exclusively hip hop and soul without any irony or affectation, and I also know of youngish working to middle class black folks who listen almost exclusively to IDM, and go to electronic music festivals like Electric Daisy Carnival and do tons of Molly. Yeah the cultural lines are still there to be sure, but it just isn’t considered weird to cross them, to the point that there is an archetype of “wigger” or “oreo” for those that do.

    This stands in contrast to Nikcrits description of the 1990’s pop scene in which you had hyperagressive gangster rap on one end of the spectrum, and the mopey navel gazing grunge artists like “Soul Asylum” on the other …. all this against a backdrop of the easy money of the 90s. this is why I think nikcrit gets himself in a bind with describing whites as “enervated”. That was probably true in the 90s but i don’t see it really anymore. whites are much more aspirational and unapologetic than they used to be.

  213. Norman Shy is the elusive ringleader.. I’m not sure what kind of deal he cut, but I’m sure he will get more than just a slap on the wrist.

    This is just the latest and frankly least shocking annual DPS scandal, in a district where the executives are among the highest paid in the country.

    Vendors almost always start kickback schemes when it comes to local government, especially school systems. You’ve got to have to the good sense to keep it small, though. This case was of such $$ huge magnitude that I just can’t believe they didn’t think they’d get caught in an audit.

    A lot of the times the corrupt outside vendors are longtime friends or relatives of the school officials.

    In my time on the business side I’ve wined and dined a few movers/shakers to the tune of a few thousand spent on golf/vegas trips or at the strip club. But you’ve gotta do it all in cash, keep it under control in regards to size and have some sense of danger. These people were completely out of control, sloppy and stupid.

  214. So between the pagans and the west, I”d say it’s a draw.

    In other words, the pseudo-stripper booty shaking at a public school event is fine in your eyes.

    This is why blacks never get anywhere as a people, they have no independent standards of their own, no class and no conception of how your values affect your economy, society and childrearing. Blacks are the ultimate in permissiveness and lawlessness, they didn’t want to see OJ walk because they thought he was innocent, they just don’t want to see a black man disciplined or facing consequences.

  215. It’s their chance to present their centuries-old Calvinistic repression as something as something honorable and superior to pagan urges and inspiration.

    Which I suppose it is: all that redirected eros and energy to fuck was transfigured into technological innovation and other forms of advanced civilization.

    So between the pagans and the west, I”d say it’s a draw.

    Camille Paglia advances a similar argument in Sexual Persona, except that she would say that the pagan elements were never fully suppressed in the West.

    Also she would not say that civilization was just redirected eros.

    Wikipedia has a better summary than I can provide:

    “Portraying Western culture as a struggle between masculine, phallic, sky-religion on the one hand, and feminine, chthonic, earth-religion on the other, Paglia seeks to show that Christianity did not destroy paganism, but rather drove it into the underground of Western culture, to later emerge in Renaissance art, Romanticism, and contemporary popular culture, especially Hollywood. Drawing on the Greco-Roman polarity between the Apollonian and Dionysian, Paglia associates Apollo with order, structure, and symmetry, while identifying Dionysus with chaos, disorder, and nature. She then proceeds to analyze literature and art from the premise that the primary conflict in Western culture has always been between these binary forces.”

  216. . “That was probably true in the 90s but i don’t see it really anymore. whites are much more aspirational and unapologetic than they used to be.”

    I think you sort-of pigeonhole a few of my views into one tidy theory —– which I suppose we all do when casually interpreting someone one else’s opinion.

    About the enervated thing: I’m not saying it;’s evident in the pop zeitgeist; i use that term in theoretical sense to describe the sorta ”raceless or racist” bind that b-w relations sorta stalemated into. I”m sorta confronted and witness to the 21st-century, ‘post-90s’ reality through my jobs at high schools and commuter colleges; I agree and disagree with you: whites are no longer en thrall fo blacks — but ‘black’ culture and attitude is much more part of the mainstream now; whites and blacks are very amalgamated culturally today compared to in the 80s and ’90s, though that evident truth is disheartening to guys like PA, who still predict some stone, cold and hard b–vs-w balkanization that is just around the corner.

    It’s sorta interesting to hear Heretic Phi give his view of the current racial and popular zeitgeist; he’s about the brightest of the younger posters on this blog, and his matter-of-fact observations racially and culturally that are intuitive to him IMO confirms a lot of things that you and I have said over the years about future race relations but that the hardline AR folk disavow.

    The future holds more racism and more anti-racism all at once: atomized technology and social networks create atomized demographics.

  217. I think white people don’t want their daughter acting like a slut because she will turn off a quality man for anything but a short term encounter. Even then, he might not want her.

  218. Is Norman Shy black? White? Or is he a ….. Shylock?

    Lol. .. I have no idea.

    You’ve got to have to the good sense to keep it small, though. This case was of such $$ huge magnitude that I just can’t believe they didn’t think they’d get caught in an audit.

    That wasn’t the case for Detroit for years. The entire govt was corrupt from top to bottom. Massive fraud was the norm, not the exception. Kwame Kilpatrick was a straight up gangster and ran the city like a criminal enterprise.

    The people got so sick of it they finally, and gleefully, elected a white guy as mayor to clean it all up!

  219. I think you sort-of pigeonhole a few of my views into one tidy theory —– which I suppose we all do when casually interpreting someone one else’s opinion.

    I’m not trying to pigeonhole you… in fact on the “No.” thread, I asked you some questions about your theories and you ignored it. in fact, you responded to a comment I had made but addressed it to Cam. Interestingly, thwack did the same thing on this post; he attributed a comment that I wrote to you.

    It’s sorta interesting to hear Heretic Phi give his view of the current racial and popular zeitgeist; he’s about the brightest of the younger posters on this blog, and his matter-of-fact observations racially and culturally that are intuitive to him IMO confirms a lot of things that you and I have said over the years about future race relations but that the hardline AR folk disavow.

    I agree HP is very bright. Much more so than me. I kinda pop in and out of these comment threads so I don’t have a full grasp of what he is positing though.

  220. “I agree HP is very bright. Much more so than me. I kinda pop in and out of these comment threads so I don’t have a full grasp of what he is positing though.”

    Just to be clear: I think you’re bright too; i just didn’t put you in that ‘brightest of the youngster’ category because, rightly or wrongly, I don’t consider you to be that young anymore; if you were indeed “Chad,” you and I go back to Guy White and had tangents conversing at the Lesacre Du Temps (AKA ‘Chuck”) and sagatsays blog, as did Camlost as well…. So face it, old boy, you ain’t no longer a rookie!)

  221. Trust me I know that I’m not a youngster anymore and I’m not insecure about my intelligence, so I don’t have any qualms about freely stating that I think HP is brighter than me. when it comes to verbal ability just about everyone here is head and shoulders above me, which is why I like reading these blogs. PA’s comment above about the black woman at Bed Bath and Beyond cracked me up…. Where else can you get such gleeful candor over racial issues?

  222. I’ve been doing some selling on Craigslist recently and I will say every black person I’ve dealt with has been responsible and polite. They were all men. I also did some volunteer work recently and was paired with a well spoken, polite, light skinned black woman. She was easy to work with.

  223. “This is why blacks never get anywhere as a people, they have no independent standards of their own, no class and no conception of how your values affect your economy, society and childrearing. “

    Dude, that reply of mine you cited is clearly a joke and all but a total concession. Damn, wasn’t the joking hat-tip to the cold-weather culture and people who know how to sublimate their sexual urges into techno-industrialized societies all but conceding your point? You southern Evangelicals don’t even know what special rewards your blindly chaste purity brings!

    But as MGE noted, Camillia Paglia is willing to break it down for you. She’s a big hit in Birmingham and other Bible Belt towns.

  224. “in fact on the “No.” thread, I asked you some questions about your theories and you ignored it.”

    I did? Sorry, that was purely an oversight on my part. It’s so far past that it’d be awkward to respond this late. But i’m sure we’ll circle-jerk back to that mood and subject again sometime soon, as is our wont. 🙂

  225. “Also she would not say that civilization was just redirected eros.”

    Hmmm, she might if you changed “civilization’ to ‘techno-industrial culture.’
    And if not, Wilhelm Reich, one of her clear influences, would.

  226. “Thanks a lot for ruining my analogy Nikcrit. You completely fukced up the context by posting that retarded youtoob clip”

    Thwack,
    What was so corrupting in my youtube clip; i thought it sort-of neatly played up the contrast in the dueling renditions, though i wish they extended each Hendrix excerpt by an additional ten or fifteen seconds.

    How was your concept ‘fucked up?”

  227. You southern Evangelicals don’t even know what special rewards your blindly chaste purity brings!

    Well, I will surely never find out, lol.

  228. Paglia is a dyke. So if one is beholden to HBD then Paglia must think like a dyke. And if one agrees with the thinking of a dyke then one is de facto dyke, ie., de facto homo. One then protests that one merely agrees with the “facts” that Paglia puts forth and not with her dyke ethos… On second thought, one doesn’t even recognize a dyke ethos when it claims that the fundamental struggle is between white man’s d$&k and chaotic nature? One just agrees.

    No young man, the fundamental struggle is with those white men striving for Supremacy and a global mob set against them. This is thr crucial battle within the West… Between a tiny remnant of wS and a global monolith of anti-wS. A true Epic. Your only options are wS or anti-wS, period!

  229. Paganism is “egalitarianism amongst the gods.” Intellectually impossible and thus rationally discarded by the white race. The attempt to revive “it” in the vacuum that is anti-white Supremacy, ie., racialized white Christianity (contra deracinated liberal “Christianity”), shall be SOLD like every thing else is sold in this time of total degeneracy, by way of implicit and explicit sexual relativism.

    And who better to make that sell than a radical dyke that has so feverishly run her course that she found herself at Final Liberation with a customer base of one. Now, in the bowels of the alt-rite, she has identified herself an equal radical sexual autonomist… A core with a de facto homo mentality. A cabal that “sees” the main struggle as between “man and woman” and not “white boy and his Father.”

  230. In the tradition of the white race, one’s “race” at the most intimate level is his father… And his father’s father… And his father’s father’s father… All the way to the God-Father where he finds a total convergence with a critical mass of fellow white man. Racism proper is one’s immersion into this personal epic ALL THE WAY THROUGH to the battle of a Master Race.

    Anti-racism, on the other hand, is the ideological attempt to destroy the entire reality above. Anti-racism is truly pathological. Infectious, by design, anti-racism has its rooted intellectual gainsay in the sheer hatred for all things “father” WHICH ONLY BECOMES more acute as reality becomes more bleak.

  231. Edit….

    “The attempt to revive “it” in the vacuum that is anti-white Supremacy, ie., [against] racialized white Christianity (contra deracinated liberal “Christianity”), shall be SOLD like every thing else is sold in this time of total degeneracy, by way of implicit and explicit sexual relativism

  232. It’s sorta interesting to hear Heretic Phi give his view of the current racial and popular zeitgeist; he’s about the brightest of the younger posters on this blog, and his matter-of-fact observations racially and culturally that are intuitive to him IMO confirms a lot of things that you and I have said over the years about future race relations but that the hardline AR folk disavow.

    So I went back and read HP’s comments on this thread.

    Are these the candid observations you are referring to?

    ” They fuck niggaz because the white boys are pussies. Wishful thinking there. Coal burners don’t want White babies. They want to spawn more of nikcrit and then find an obedient white weakling to pay the bills.”

    * * *

    “By all appearances in our culture, the White man worships the great Emperor Mandingo and the courageous Congoid is the master race of the future. I hate to say it, but if I was a white female, the duty to preserve my race would be heavily at odds with my hypergamous drive. All the cues in my environment show me that white men are conquered weaklings who are on the way out of the gene pool.”

  233. he’s about the brightest of the younger posters on this blog

    So nikcrit is offering his opinions on people’s intelligence, again?

  234. Since nikcrit brought up the topic, of other people’s intelligence.

    What were your college boards, nikcrit.

    I guess 1230, is that about right?

  235. I hope things don’t get nasty, let me qualify that estimate.

    1230 is smart, and it is an honest estimate. But by white standards it is nothing special.

    My own iq used to be higher than it is now. They say that your score stays steady, but i think it requires some maintenance.

    **************

    nikcrit has established as something of a gatekeeper on this blog. His evaluation of Heretic Phi above is an example of that.

  236. Black Americans are in position to help White advocates make their case.

    So White advocates would do well to keep their feelings (and thoughts) in mind.

    The Core America is white, black, and indian, in no particular order, with a sliver of hispanic and asian.

    These groups might form a Coalition of the Willing to be based on race realism, and not subsuming of any group’s race identity.

    An Alliance based on circumstance. We are not naturally friends and allies, but historical circumstance has brought us together, and We Declare,

    Thomas Jefferson once said, that all Men were created Equal.

    We are left at a loss, for the words of a Great Men.

    Let Us make our image Anew, so that Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (just the pursuit) are not the stuff of legend but instead our daily bread.

  237. What were your college boards, nikcrit.

    I honestly don’t remember, at all. I know my IQ via W.A.I.S and/or Standard-Binet tests consistently averaged in mid-low 120s range; plus, i and others have said i may get a perceptual bump a few points higher because of higher verbal IQ than overall IQ (or however that sentiment should be correctly phrased).

    As for the rest, just hold off for a moment: I’m not going out of my way to praise Heretic Phi; I just said that i think some of his forecasts and assessments on the current zeitgeist in terms of priority, values, race and how all that coagulates to forge future trends, are fairly smart, specific and a few instances already prescient; I mean, phrases like “one of the smartest” and “pretty smart” are often short-hand compliments for “puts it all nicely together” and “I agree even though I overlooked that point myself,” etc; I’m not putting forth any detailed personal assessment of Phi that is specific, has an agenda or is overly presumptuous. I think elk takes intelligence assessments as more an absolute denouement that do I and I have no desire to use such estimates to put one down or in their place, case may be. (FWIW, I do think it’s a common conceit for whites to use IQ-assessments and their averages to maintain their own self-confidence and air of superiority; I mean, i bet most caucasian alpha and their female equivalents could give a flying hoot over brandishing their aggregate IQs.

    As for me being a gatekeeper on this blog, Idk about that. I’m pretty sure PA wouldn’t approve of a halfrican overseer of his r.r.-driven alt-right blog! 🙂

  238. “These groups might form a Coalition of the Willing to be based on race realism, and not subsuming of any group’s race identity.

    An Alliance based on circumstance. We are not naturally friends and allies, but historical circumstance has brought us together, and We Declare,…”

    I love this! It captures in a few lines my raison de tre in the blog world; I believe that the above could serve as a mission statement and that to the extent its substance could be genuinely felt, that it could provide moral and philosophical absolution.

    I recall PA and Trainspotter saying words to the effect of: “I don’t care if every halfrican was a genius; i’d still prefer whites because ‘they’re not us”—– I understand the sentiment, and feel something similar toward blacks and any inscrutable summation involving aggregate mean IQs and comparative crime figures; all the while, i have biological connection to their aggregate ‘betters,’ too!

    [This is what I wrote on the subject of miscegenation: “Even if EVERY instance of mixing created a halfrican genius, I’d be against it because it isn’t us.” This isn’t the first time you’re sloppily misattributed something to me. Please stop doing that. — PA]

  239. “Are these the candid observations you are referring to?”

    Sorta. Once you take away the in-your-face ‘bad-faith’ aspect; overall, his assessments concedes more evolutional interaction between the races, rather than the wishful-thinking-driven ‘evermore polarity and balkanization between the races’-ism that the AR constantly demands and forces into their forecasts.

  240. Wow… I’m a little shocked you would even “sorta” cosign to those comments. Once you strip away the bad faith, there’s not much left at all. It’s all pitiful white self loathing, but quite flattering to you I’m sure.

    I have a better idea where you really stand now.

  241. What? You cherry pick some negative remarks, then ascribe them to me and my convictions? I already told you what i liked re. phi’s sentiments —— his acknowledging the extent of how much ‘everyone’s correct’ across the prog-vs-right spectrum; how there will be ‘more racism AND more anti-racism; how the rhetoric is peaking yet getting more hackneyed at the same time, etc., ad infinitum.

    He seems to sense what I try to get my head wrapped around —— how the atomized technology created atomized culture and how, ergo, fragmented clicks, social networks, grievance groups, politics, etc., some racially consistent and some quite mixed.

    Why the suspicion of schadenfreunde all of the sudden? Lol!

  242. Dude, HP basically stated that he believes the evolutionary future of the white man is to be a cuckold… to which you responded, “his assessments concedes more evolutional interaction between the races, rather than the wishful-thinking-driven ‘evermore polarity and balkanization between the races’-ism that the AR constantly demands and forces into their forecasts.”

  243. I think PA is a somewhat tribal person, he does not seemed as obsessed with IQ as some others. Plenty of Slavs are screw ups. Mixed people sometimes try to act as if they have superior insight, because they know what it is like to be two different races.. Their insight is limited just like everyone else, they only know what it is like to be themselves. Anyway, if you try to please everyone, you’ll end up pleasing no one.

  244. There are plenty of non mixed blacks who are good people. It’s not like I need a mixed person to help me get along with and relate to black people.

  245. There are plenty of non mixed blacks who are good people. It’s not like I need a mixed person to help me get along with and relate to black people.

    The Mulatto Ubermensch will solve all problems.

  246. A comment that PA made awhile back to nikcrit stuck out to me. It was something like “We get it nikcrit, you see white people as genetic feed for blacks.” It seemed a bit presumptuous to me, and I figured that’s why nikcrit never responded to it. But in light of this recent exchange, I am leaning toward’s PA’s assessment.

  247. That was hyperbole on his part; my compliment was based upon a long comment he write around Xmas, forecasting the prominence if future alt right thought. i referenced that several times.

    Why are you so determined to bast my balls today? You’re overlooking stuff you usually don’t

  248. Yeah, I feel like Nikcrit is always looking for the best deal and whatever side offers him that, in a particular situation, is the one he decides to identify with. It’s as if he can always avoid anything negative by quickly switching sides.

  249. Writing of HP, he seems textbook modern high IQ “white” male self-annihilator. One whose “intelligence” has him reject worshipping in principle while ascribing to the dull “white” female mass an innate desire for what amounts to anti-(white) Supremacy in the flesh and blood. So there is a symbiotic regression at work in the mind of HP (and Nikcrit)… A mutual desire to self-annihilate rooted in one’s hated existence from conception. It’s deeply pathological and yet “modern” society very much appeals to its unabashed expression.

  250. Lara…

    Nikcrit is a radical autonomist in search of genuine wS having concluded long ago that the search for genuine “black” Supremacy was futile and “halfrican” Supremacy has no real conceptual basis of substance. Normally, that part of yourself that should express that part of yourself given to the creation of life just is not over time going maintain the “halfrican” trajectory. It really is, for Nikcrit, wS or total annihilation, ie., Final Liberation.

  251. I’m starting to think people like Obama and Nikcrit benefit from some problems and misunderstanding between blacks and whites. It gives them an important role to play.

  252. Plenty of Slavs are screw ups.

    I agree with this. However the Slavs in this metro are mostly ethnic Russians (and not jews) and i have met some Serbs, and they seem to be very business orientated. Successful no-nonsense people. The MGM liquor store nearest here was managed and owned by a Russian, and the buy-in for that franchise and the politics for getting it, would have taken a lot of bucks, way beyond the means of local middle-class families. Weird how that works. The local people can’t swing it, but these connected networks of Russians (in this case), get their hands on the very limited and profitable liquor licenses.

    **********

    As far as goes IQ, i am of the opinion that it is not all that. It is well known folk wisdom that people with high iq’s are often distracted from their immediate surroundings. And immediate surroundings and awareness of same, also known as situational awareness, is its own type of intelligence, and it would seem to be inversely correlated with iq.

    As an example, the pygmies in Africa have among the very lowest iq’s in the world, but they are respected as the best hunters in Africa. (Or at least they were before the Great White Hunter appeared on the scene.) And that is no joke: the source of that observation is none other than the geneticist Cavalli-Sforza.

    And among white men, hunting is very respected as requiring all that a man can bring to bear. So how can stupid people be good hunters.

  253. I’m starting to think people like Obama and Nikcrit benefit from some problems and misunderstanding between blacks and whites. It gives them an important role to play.

    The relationship of black and white in America, is pretty unique.

    There is a shared culture. See for example Prince, or the Blues.

    Both of which turned out to be not cool enough for contemporary black Americans. They could not stomach Prince or the Blues, once white people got their hands on them, they had to disavow them; until they were dead, and then they became all black again or something?

    In any case, that question aside … black Americans are well positioned to speak about race realism, and whatever that certain something is, that elusive vision that white advocates are unable to articulate; they are well positioned for the obvious reason that in this current climate they have the social proof.

    A white race jesus, who will be black.

    Prince may have been Peter or Paul or whoever was that guy who came before Jesus.

  254. nikcrit |
    Thwack,
What was so corrupting in my youtube clip;
    ———–
    Its not really your fault. That clip destroyed the transcendent nature of the event FIRST by starting with Sinatra; then doing a butt ugly edit into Hendrix; they left out the only part that mattered; the TRANSITION from “wild thang” to “strangers in the night”
    WTF?

    Context completely destroy.

    Its an example of how the internet is making people dumber; just because you CAN do something doesn’t mean you SHOULD do it.
    —————————————————–

    thordaddy
    Lara…
    Nikcrit is a radical autonomist in search of genuine wS having concluded long ago that the search for genuine “black” Supremacy was futile and “halfrican” Supremacy has no real conceptual basis of substance.
    ——————-
    thordaddy, you need to get you own blog so I can go head to head with you and see if you got anything?

    Under scrutiny your obtuse existential spasms may fold up like cheap lawn furniture
    ——————————————–

    MGE
    The entire govt was corrupt from top to bottom. Massive fraud was the norm, not the exception. Kwame Kilpatrick was a straight up gangster and ran the city like a criminal enterprise.
    The people got so sick of it they finally, and gleefully, elected a white guy as mayor to clean it all up!
    ———————————————————————————
    Yeah, sounds like what happened to Obama:

    “Bush/Cheney was a straight up gangster and ran the COUNTRY like a criminal enterprise.
    The people got so sick of it they finally, and gleefully, elected a BLACK guy as PRESIDENT to clean it all up!.

  255. FWIW,
    Whether I made it implicit or not, I should have —— but THIS is the speculative comment submitted by Heretic Phi that I largely based my praises on:

    ” Heretic Phi | November 6, 2015 at 1:58 am
    I think we’re underestimating the power of memes here. Grassroots psywar doesn’t seem to be doing anything but it is. Toppling the USSR seemed hopeless in the Reagan era but it was inevitable. Political Correctness has thrived on momentum but bits and pieces keep falling off. In the 1990’s, the Poz didn’t seem as big and powerful, but it was more ideologically intact. It hadn’t appeared to have caused as much damage yet but no one questioned it.
    For example, in 1995 you wouldn’t say in public that a child has a right not to be unnecessarily deprived of their father, because to do so would imply that a “woman couldn’t do it on her own.” But the ideology that fathers were vestigial was still new and untested. It doesn’t fly anymore. Even if feminism seems bigger and stronger, so is the opposition to it. The “white privilege” trope doesn’t seem any different now than in 1995, but it is. Almost no one doubted it back then and you didn’t dare question it. Nowadays everyone sees it as wealthy liberal moral posturing and its an open joke among normal people.

    The media has had to start calling White Nationalists as such instead of “Supremacists”. In Europe they have to say “Revisionist” instead of “Holocaust Denier” if they want to be taken seriously. PEGIDA seems pretty lame in it’s message but it’s normal people, not radicals. The fall of the BNP and the rise of UKIP seems to show a softening of the pro-white message, but this is commensurate with its trickling into the mainstream. BUGs tactics change the way that shitlibs have to talk. They have to alter their message in response to it, and they’re not 3 steps ahead of us anymore.

    They’re lagging behind, and acting *reactively to the right instead of *proactively, which is the opposite position they were in 20 years ago. They never anticipated the Trump phenomenon, or “Cuckservative”. They’re squabbling about what to do about it and getting nothing done, like the right has always done before. In Europe they didn’t know what to do because shaming tactics and persecution and fear were still effective, but becoming less effective every year, so they panicked and turned up the heat on the frog. Bingo. So even if the boat doesn’t seem to be moving much, that’s because there’s not a lot of velocity when the wind is changing direction.

    Think of the speed a ball is rolling as it goes up a hill, runs out of inertia and goes back down. Or a pendulum at it’s highest point.

    It doesn’t seem to be moving.

    I just wanna put it this way. Given that Political correctness is our state religion, the White population I observed around me in 1995 looked like this:
    -1% Fanatics/Priests (Professors, ect.)
    -10% Devout/Crusaders (mostly low-class punks/stoners/commies, antiracists think they are edgy rebels)
    -78% Believers (“Ignorant of their privilege,” e.g. haven’t figured out yet that they themselves are the target; genuinely agree with the narrative and are terrified of taboo thoughts but aren’t that worked up about it.)
    -10% Apostates/Sinners to be mocked and slandered (“Racists”, “Rednecks”, mostly “backward” older people)
    -1% Witches/Blasphemers to be irrationally feared and burned and the stake (“Neo-Nahtzees”)

    Today in 2015 it looks like this:
    -5% Zealots/Jihadists (SJW’s)
    -25% Fundamentalists (Stuck-up Shitlibs, antiracism is an upper-class status preening activity)
    -40% Followers (Mostly Baby Boomers who have to actively try not to think about it because it hurts their heads and egos to do so. Think they are still good lemmings but consistently reveal impious thoughts without shame.)
    -25% Unsaved/Impious to be looked down upon and preached to (Lots of Gen X/Y whites who don’t contradict the party line in public but show unbelief whenever they are in a safe space. Don’t have any ideological basis for their doubts but know something is wrong.)
    -5% Infidels/Heathens to be ostracized and persecuted (Various wings of NRx, huge constantly growing numbers of anonymous net-WN)

    Basically the Normal curve is becoming dimodal and polarized. Even if the center of the curve at the average is deeper in the poz, BOTH ends of the spectrum are growing. The false religion used to have everyone convinced that unbelievers were a tiny, irrelevant number of dangerous crazies who worshiped the devil. Even though their power has consolidated, they can’t do that very well any more, and unbelievers are beginning to know they aren’t alone. That changes everything. I could anticipate the winds changing about 20 years ago even though I knew it would be a while. Right now I’m sure I can smell it.

    Not yet. Soon.

    Blogs like this one serve the same purpose for us that classes in the Frankfurt school once served, and Communist gatherings served in the 1950’s, in the Golden Age of America when everything was better and more full of hope than it had ever been before. We are now coming in to our enemies’ Golden Age. We are building the ideology to replace the current one. That needs to be in place even if we’re not in control yet.

    [Great comment, beginning to end -PA]”

    (Pssst, Phi! You’re eventually going to have to weigh in on this matter —– or perhaps update your remarks from back in winter. What started as a reference coincidental to a larger unrelated point I was trying to make got convoluted into one of those blog tangents in which you may wind famous from…..lol! IOW: sorry for dragging you into this, but that wasn’t my intention!

  256. “I feel like Nikcrit is always looking for the best deal and whatever side offers him that, in a particular situation, is the one he decides to identify with. It’s as if he can always avoid anything negative by quickly switching sides.”

    Hey, even the chameleon gets captured sometime, y’know.

    But seriously: when have I ever played against or ‘switched’ sides? I recall saying here over a half-dozen times that I’m a black-appearing biracial and by large consider African-Americans in general to be a ‘mixed’ or ‘biracial’ race compared to its African heritage and ancestry back on that continent.

    I believe language, dialect and class-affiliation and consciousness, on both pop and sublime levels, are what draw out the deeper distinctions amongst blacks.

  257. “race realism, and whatever that certain something is, that elusive vision that white advocates are unable to articulate; they are well positioned for the obvious reason that in this current climate they have the social proof.”

    elk, I’m sort of intrigued by this, particularly the last sentence ——- but what exactly do you mean? I’m interpreting it in a couple of different ways. What precisely was your intended meaning there?

  258. nikcrit your desperate backpedalling on this by reaching back to a comment he made 6 months ago is not getting you anywhere. Read the above exchange in which you favorably endorsed Heretic Phi’s comment made on THIS thread, which I copied in my comment and asked for your explicit opinion on. Now read that comment again and ask yourself honestly how would you respond if your father was white instead of black.

  259. I’m not backpedaling; i don’t know what i contradicted. This has become a long thread and I’m not sure of the provenance of any particular comment at this point—– but I do know that I’ve referenced and referred to that Nov. comment of Phi’s on several occasions, once even in this very commenting thread.

    To wit: “I’m not trying to pigeonhole you… in fact on the “No.” thread, I asked you some questions about your theories and you ignored it. in fact, you responded to a comment I had made but addressed it to Cam. Interestingly, thwack did the same thing on this post; he attributed a comment that I wrote to you.

    It’s sorta interesting to hear Heretic Phi give his view of the current racial and popular zeitgeist; he’s about the brightest of the younger posters on this blog, and his matter-of-fact observations racially and culturally that are intuitive to him IMO confirms a lot of things that you and I have said over the years about future race relations but that the hardline AR folk disavow.”

    But you seem to be in a sorta conspiratorial ‘gotcha’ mood and who am I to deny a white man his fun.

    So, ok: I’m a half-black, half-white man who wants, above and beyond all else, seeks to denigrate white males; forget any composite impression gathered from ‘nikcrit’ and all he’s ever posited on this and other blogs, and let him now admit that all he wants to do is watch cuck porn and find other ways to humiliate the white man.

    Feel better?

  260. MGE,

    I don’t recall you specifically asking me for feedback on that particular comment of phi’s; if you did, i probably just absent-minded addressed my remarks to a subconscious composite of his remarks. But that Nov. remark and others by him expressing similar sentiments is what was on my mind.

    I don’t really know what I can do if you seriously are contending that i’m enthralled with some extreme anti-white hyperbole he made in this string. I would say that he himself, phi that is, was assuming heavy hyperbole in those moments —– though i do like the term “Conquering Congoid” and believe it should be appropriated by some up-and-coming rapper.

  261. “race realism, and whatever that certain something is, that elusive vision that white advocates are unable to articulate; they are well positioned for the obvious reason that in this current climate they have the social proof.”

    elk, I’m sort of intrigued by this, particularly the last sentence ——- but what exactly do you mean? I’m interpreting it in a couple of different ways. What precisely was your intended meaning there?

    I am suggesting that a black American can make the case for white American race identity, and no one will be able to call him a racist hater for making the case.

    And indeed it is not just his immunity to the charge of racism; the black man’s perspective of being disenfranchised and deracinated, is what is relevant to the white man in America today.

    It is a very large topic and theme. It is THE large topic and theme. And i am not up for it, right now or perhaps ever.

    But the problems that white people have now, white people in America, is that they don’t have much of an identity; and it might seem that blacks in America could relate to that.

    I think it would take some sort of black genius to do it. Genius in the empathetic and emotional sense.

    It is also an opportunity that could be exploited. Someone mentioned on an earlier thread the black intellectual what’s-his-name who was suggesting that white people here and now do have some legitimate concerns.

    But his milk-warm version is not what i am talking about. I am talking about someone speaking with real concern and real vision, and from the heart, about how white people are suffering for having lost their country, and even more than that, having lost their purpose and their identity; their very soul.

    White people themselves are not much able to articulate that loss, which is what i said in the quoted selection: white advocates cannot give voice to what it is they want. I think that, if the races could somehow find some common cause, that perhaps something could be achieved.

    When put in those terms, it sounds hopelessly idealistic, to think that various races will work together.

    I personally don’t think that anything can be done to improve the human lot.

  262. re. recent comments about Prince and the changes in his fan base: some of the alt-right blogs that have weighed-in on Prince’s legacy are claiming that Prince’s black fans ditched him once he did Purple Rain and became a bona-fide crossover superstar.

    Prince certainly had a majority black fan base on his first two albums, and began ‘diversifying’ his base on “Dirty Mind” and “1999,” but up to the end of his life maintained a significant number of black fans in his base. I’ve seen him perform upwards of a half-dozen times, most recently in 2001, one a theater show of about 3,000 and the other a outdoor amphitheater performance of 25,000 or so, both sold-out and i would say his audiences were about a 35%-65% mix of black-to-white fans.

    So, his base has gotten more white over the sweep of his entire career but he’s more or less maintained the balance that developed during and after “Purple Rain,’ his clear watershed release. There was a post at 28Sherman in which it was contended that his black fans had all but deserted him in recent years but have no come out and reclaimed him posthumously because ‘blacks are so desperate to have something to brag about,’ or words to that effect.

    That is a mix of bad faith and nonsense.

  263. Regarding Prince and his fandom, the point that is being made, is that he is being touted as black now that he is dead, but what was remarkable about his art and celebrity and career was its cross-racial appeal.

    Its cross-race appeal was the main thing about Prince, beyond the specifics of analyzing his music. To say it for a third time: the most significant thing about Prince, in terms of his life and his career, is how he appealed to both blacks and whites.

    But is the media talking about that, or are they framing Prince as a black thang?

    That is the criticism that in the alt-right, which SoBL is getting at, and his article is a riff off of Akinokure, which blog is popular with the younger set.

    There is nothing bad faith and nonsense about that point – or did the mainstream media ‘celebrate’ his cross-race appeal?

    The reason Prince as a cross-race phenom is touchy – is because cross-race relations have gone downhill since his peak. They peaked with Prince in the 80s and 90s, and now they are separated. THAT is the story, and Prince’s career exposes that.

    Will someone point out a Prince feature that deals with deteriorating race-relations as typified by his life and career.

    Prince: Popular in the 80s before black culture got too cool for school

  264. What made Prince great, is that he had a white audience.

    Same thing with Hendrix.

    Without their white audience, they would not even exist.

  265. That is what black people, is that whites take their best talent and make into something a little different, and then the po’ blacks folks dont got nuthin for themselves anymo’.

    And so Prince, now he’s a black thing.

    He wasn’t a black thing, though. That is SO OBVIOUSLY what is remarkable about him. He lived in fucking Chanhassan, for god’s sake.

    For those not from around here, i could ride my bike to Chanhassan today, and as suburb it makes Minnetonka (of the famous “purify yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka” line) look like Detroit.

    That half of his audience was black, as nikcrit says, doesn’t alter that point – in fact it makes the point: half his audience was white!

  266. Prince just goes to show, that blacks are at their best when they are dancing for whites.

    That IS a little embarrassing, for all parties involved.

    The Blues used to be the authentic black experience, and now it’s popular in Norway. Kinda sad. Those old cats playing for white cat ladies … now that’s the title of your article.

  267. The larger point that goes unsaid, is about the role of music in the drama of life, and how it has been transmogrified to fill that role in drama-less lives.

    That is a book length post, and i am sure there are many books about it. How the Blues filled that role for white people in their dull and meaningless lives in the dull and meaningless suburbs where they don’t have dances anymore, because dances are only for high school kids and senior citizens.

    Have i complained about that lately? Fuck this gay fucking place.

  268. White people can’t dance

    It’s not that they lack the coordination and the timing and ‘the moves’ – it’s that they don’t have the cultural sanction.

    That is an interesting take on that aphorism, and very much true. White people can’t dance. It’s not that they don’t know how, it’s that they are not allowed to.

    White people suck. There is something wrong with them. They don’t even dance.

  269. A lot of it gets down to having had their penises clipped off by the jews.

    What’s the point of dancing if you don’t even have a dick?

  270. My exposes always seem to end on that note.

    I don’t relish bringing up the topic, of ‘circumcision’.

    However, it is a fair criticism to make, that here in the alt-right, there in the manosphere, and everywhere else in the mainstream and at large especially in America – it is still taboo and unrecognized, and i would say un-evaluated in its significance.

    A whole generation, multiple generations, gets its penis deprived of the vast majority of its sensation, and then those generations fail to bond with their womenfolk, … and no one makes the connection?

    No one even suggests a connection there?

    How fucking infantile stupid and in the dark, does a culture and its intellectual critics and common sense, have to be?

    Well for an answer to that, let’s have a look at a America and its leading lights. And who would those be, anyways.

  271. Are there any critics of our culture, speaking to you right now?

    I try to think of who they are, and all i can come up with is some names in the blogosphere.

    And some fucking gay homosexual jew in Britain or something, is supposedly a new voice to listen to?

    In the past, were there ‘leading lights’ that – in the moment itself, in the flow of time – were looked to, to make sense of things?

    Was it ever like that. Supposedly opinion journalists got into that very privileged position. George Will, now there is a strong man. Or Thomas Friedman, that rat-face goofball who looks like he can’t make love to a human being.

    I could list a couple internet characters whom i follow. For them to be relevant, they have to be young enough to have some feeling left, some skin in the game. There are plenty of old guys who are very well read and informed, and have vast crystallized intelligence, but they seem to be removed from the pain of it all.

    The pain of living in this gay fucking place.

  272. George Will, now there is a strong man.

    George Will is about the biggest cuck I can imagine. He’s part of the “block Trump even if he wins the nomination outright” crowd. He needs to go into exile and never return, it’s people like him that destroyed the conservative brand during the Bush years.

    I’ve seen him perform upwards of a half-dozen times, most recently in 2001, one a theater show of about 3,000 and the other a outdoor amphitheater performance of 25,000 or so, both sold-out and i would say his audiences were about a 35%-65% mix of black-to-white fans.

    Prince’s shows were attended by plenty of black fans until the very end, but they were primarily in the older-35 generation. Popular music started to fracture in the early 90’s and black and white performers don’t often form acts together anymore, like they did in the days of Sly and the Family Stone, etc. Prince was highly aware of this trend and didn’t want this gap to widen, you can partly see that in Prince’s 2007 Super Bowl performance (called the best of all time) where he performed songs by Dylan, CCR, Foo Fighters and Cream.

    His last few shows in Atlanta had mostly black audiences. The idea that black fans abandoned him is a little dubious, just check his tours of the last 5 years and you can see that he featured tons of guest artists that were not hugely popular amongst white audiences, such as Chaka Khan, Live Warfield, Janelle Monae and a tons of various gospel singers.

  273. It’s white men who don’t seem to like to dance. White women seem to enjoy dancing as much as black women.

  274. We need less dancing in America.

    You can’t watch a morning TV show like GMA without them covering the latest “dance craze” across the US, whether it be the whip/nae nae, the Macarena, the Harlem Shake or endless dabbing. Most of it is started by blacks and then crosses over to others, and it all needs to stop. Crap like that gets posted to Youtube and all sorts of endless riffraff on the planet sees it and thinks that the USA is just a party, leisurely party where you just sneak, swim or crawl across the border and everything gets handed to you.

    Every TV commercial has people dancing around being stupid and hawking some product, the worst is that idiotic Dish Network commercial:

    Plus, aren’t we all tired of the same hackneyed, old punchline that white folks can’t dance? It’s used in an endless amount of advertising as well:

  275. “But is the media talking about that, or are they framing Prince as a black thang?”

    I agree with a lot of what you’ve said the past two days and I’m not looking for more argument, as my comments have created contention in recent days, but I would say that the Prince coverage has dutifully if insipidly covered his ‘rainbow coalition’ aspect.

    I think what you’re pointing out is the inherent ‘universal pile-on’ that occurs between identity group lobbyists and any celebrity big-news event, such as a death. A cursory run through RS online shows plenty of black-cred and props handing out to Prince, but also tons of hagiographic kudos for his having an integrated band and being a key in desegregating pop radio from its R&B-vs-Pop/rock stranglehold up into the 80s…

    I would figure the alt-right overall would prefer pop music to remain segregated and would not be sulking over blacks claiming —– or posthumously RE-claiming —— – Prince. Anyhow, I think what we’re seeing is self-serving use of Prince and his legacy that comes from all sorts of professional identity lobbyists.

  276. Camlost: Prince’s shows were attended by plenty of black fans until the very end, but they were primarily in the older-35 generation.

    That is true and something i neglected to point out or concede: the blacks at Prince shows are much more likely to be older. Prince’s oldest album are almost pure R&B.

  277. Ok Nikcrit, I see it was a misunderstanding on your part.

    The exchange went as follows:
    You made a comment about HP being a bright newcomer and that “his matter-of-fact observations racially and culturally that are intuitive to him IMO confirms a lot of things that you and I have said over the years.” I concurred with the assessment of his intelligence, but said I was not really familiar with his ideas. The following day, I went back to read his comments in this thread, I then copied that comment about the Conquering Congoloids and asked “Are these the candid observations you are referring to?”

    https://paworldandtimes.wordpress.com/2016/04/24/the-coward-and-the-mudshark/#comment-4208

    To which you responded “Sorta….”etc, ect…

    Which seemed out of character for you which is why I responded “Wow… I’m a little shocked you would even “sorta” cosign to those comments.”

  278. but I would say that the Prince coverage has dutifully if insipidly covered his ‘rainbow coalition’ aspect.
    but also tons of hagiographic kudos for his having an integrated band and being a key in desegregating pop radio from its R&B-vs-Pop/rock stranglehold up into the 80s…

    Integrated bands were fairly common right up through the 80’s, including the ” big top 40″ pop days – I can think of groups like The System, Simple Minds, Thompson Twins, Fine Young Cannibals, etc. having at least one black member right off the top of my head and there’s many, many more. And this was before before the PC days of tokenism – these groups grew that way organically and not by design.

    Some of the reasons integrated bands died is because of the increase in producer/marketer power in choosing acts that get contracts, the decline of live instrumentation in pop music, the mainstreaming of rap, and the trend to not feature any new pop acts with members over 25.

  279. I hate to say it, but if I was a white female, the duty to preserve my race would be heavily at odds with my hypergamous drive. All the cues in my environment show me that white men are conquered weaklings who are on the way out of the gene pool.

    Yeah, I remember this comment now and I at the time I called him out for sounding like a Whiskey-ite.

    In other words, an alt-righter who can’t get laid and tries to put the blame on white women, when overwhelming research shows that white women marry outside their race far less than Asian, Hispanic or even black women, believe it or not. And the vast majority of women who stray outside their race do so with “Hispanics” or Asians, not blacks. And white men outmarry far more often than white women.

    In fact, Asian Women lead the way in outmarriage at about 5 times the rate of white women, Hispanic women somewhere around three to four times and black women twice the rate. (although the marriage percentage% for black women is extremely low compare to others)

  280. Lara,
    I didn’t know what you referring to at first. But when I saw your question i looked it up quickly on my phone and recall that I had heard about it.

    My opinion of it all is probably fairly common: I’m of course not for singling people out but i’m also for common courtesy too. I know firsthand how NAM kids can be pretty egregious re. communal courtesies; there’s also IMO an issue with adult NAMs, especially female, being on hypersensitive-alert in terms of feeling their in some way being disrespected, which creates a sort-of comical irony in that they’re super aware of the hierarchical protocols that their very collective being and consciousness has supposedly transcended. Bourgeois black irony is the finest.

    The money? it’s absurd —– but if you found yourself somehow in an absurd comedy that could bring you a million dollars for little setback, what would you do?

    I’m most curious about just how much each plaintiff got; their counsel seemed to be really reaching with that $11 million claim. I’d like to see how the actuarial calculations for such ‘damages.’

  281. I’m not looking for more argument, as my comments have created contention in recent days, but I would say that the Prince coverage has dutifully if insipidly covered his ‘rainbow coalition’ aspect.

    I hear ya, and your summary of the treatment of Prince’s death is concise. And i am sure that as a poster you would inspire less ire, if you didn’t seem to be enjoying yourself too much.

    ****************

    We need less dancing in America.

    You can’t watch a morning TV show like GMA without them covering the latest “dance craze” across the US, whether it be the whip/nae nae, the Macarena, the Harlem Shake or endless dabbing.

    I don’t even know what dabbing is. Dub step probably?

    Anyways things sho are different in Atlanta. That likely explains our different perspective on the question of how much dancing should be allowed in public.

    Up here it is not allowed. If that sounds like an exaggeration, it is not; the police will be brought in as necessary. They made a movie about that with Kevin Bacon and Chris Penn in his last acting job before he faded into obscurity, and the most miscast role in the history of moviemaking, Sarah Parker as horse face country girl.

    That movie is worth some jokes. “It’s So Bad It’s Good.” A defining moment in our generation. John Lithgow lives on.

  282. If they were being nice, but just loud, I don’t think I would have had them leave the train. Then again, I don’t run wine tours and doubt I would be good at it. They were given a full refund and free transportation back to their hotel. I was kicked off a bus once, for being drunk. I don’t think the thought ever crossed my mind to sue the bus company. My brother almost was forced to leave a train, in the Bronx, because he did not have money for a ticket. Luckily, another passenger offered to pay for him. Big groups can be loud, and big groups of black women, especially so. It must have been expensive, which may be why some customers were bothered by the noise. I think a refund and a ride back to the hotel was enough compensation.

  283. I know I don’t always behave perfectly, so I try not to get too offended when I’m called out on it.

  284. They made a movie about that with Kevin Bacon and Chris Penn in his last acting job before he faded into obscurity, and the most miscast role in the history of moviemaking, Sarah Parker as horse face country girl.

    Everyone insults the looks of SJP but I think she’s pretty hot. However, I’d still like to smack the crap out of her and her husband for their politics, but that’s a different subject.

    If they were being nice, but just loud, I don’t think I would have had them leave the train.

    I’d never take sides on right/wrong without being there myself, but way out west like that I’d imagine the workers and the staid wine-and-cheese type of white folks on that tour had never been around big groups of black women, especially when alcohol is present. That is a recipe for vibrancy, not quietude.

    They probably honestly thought those black women women were being disruptive on purpose, but nothing could be further from the truth. They just like to guffaw wildly, talk at the same time and get up in the aisleways to reminisce on the old dances they used to be in the club back in the day. They’re going to enjoy the moment, and why shouldn’t they.

    If the train workers were really serious about kicking them off they should’ve taken some video or specifically documented some of their alleged violations of the “quiet” policy, which I would guess had to be a written one.

  285. — I was kicked off a bus once, for being drunk.

    Was it on the Philadelphia beer fest where participating brew pubs have hired school buses taking patrons from one pub to the next? I went to one a couple of years ago. They’re a lot of fun and the buses do get lively as the day goes on.

    As to the wine tour, the story is an illustration of the zero-sum nature of “who owns the public space.” Whites don’t want to see loud groups of Black women, and certainly don’t want them booty-shaking. In an alternate universe, Black folks run their own wine tours for the Black clients, with the atmosphere tailored to their temperaments and sense of fun. In this universe, we just passively avoid dealing with each other.

  286. It was a campus bus at Penn State. I’ve never done a Philly beer tour. I had to walk off by myself, at least these women had each other. if these women had taken their lumps, and had a laugh at their behavior compared to the uptight white people, I wouldn’t be too hard on them. I might even find it amusing. It’s just with the lawsuit, they have positioned themselves as only victims, and they were not wrong in any way. They have been emboldened, not humbled.

  287. “They made a movie about that with Kevin Bacon and Chris Penn in his last acting job before he faded into obscurity, and the most miscast role in the history of moviemaking, Sarah Parker as horse face country girl.”

    Lol!! I know, there’s something that’s just especially absurd when they cast these sort-of beltway, insider-industry Yentas as backwoods charming goyim; I think an antecedent to the SJ Parker outrage you call out is the Debra Winger role in the 80s romantic-drama Urban Cowboy, in which ‘Sissy’ was a Stetson-wearing John Travolta’s love interest….. yeah, right.

    Then there was this absurd melodrama starring Sandra Bullock who ventures back to her smalltown home in Texas and reconnects with her high-school flame ——- played by none other than the flaming crooner Harry Connick Jr.(rimshot!).

  288. Suburban_Elk
    I am talking about someone speaking with real concern and real vision, and from the heart, about how white people are suffering for having lost their country, and even more than that, having lost their purpose and their identity; their very soul.
    White people themselves are not much able to articulate that loss, which is what i said in the quoted selection: white advocates cannot give voice to what it is they want.
    ———–

    This is why I like Suburban _elk. He does a great job of demonstrating how white people lie by creating narratives that are the complete opposite of reality.

    Professor Andrew Fraser laid the entire problem out, and even offered a solution; and all you white people ignored him?

    Or pretend you didn’t understand what he was saying?

    But thats alright because all this behavior does is solidify his hypothesis and provide further ammunition for it in terms of observed phenomena. You don’t want the truth because you can’t handle the truth.

    He has another presentation on youtube called “Immigration in a Globalist Utopia”; he just plows through all the nonsense, ignorance and apathy; watch it and weep fool.
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    Prince?

    There was nothing new or novel about Prince; it just seemed that way to white people due to their truncated, limited, LINEAR perspective of art. White people are all about classification, taxonomy… because the unknown scares them. They spend all their time trying to reduce everything and everybody to one of their materialist, reductionists explicators; so they and they alone are left as the only true agents.

    So when they “discover” someone like Prince, or Hendrix they can’t just enjoy or embrace them like non white people do because they are too busy trying to construct a logical “box” (category) and stuff them into. White people actually have a corrosive effect on black arts because their demographic (money) suffocates the organic nature of black creativity. Black artists like Prince end up becoming a parody of themselves because WHAT they do becomes more important than WHY they do it.

    To sum it up; music only has a “color” for white people; or people who think like white people. “Black music” is non linear by nature; if you were a musician you would know that there was nothing “white” about Hendrix or Prince’s music; hell, there was nothing “white” about Terry Kath’s music either? It is what it is; why isn’t that good enough for you white man?

    Hendrix slips in the first 8 notes of Yankee Doodle Dandy during the middle of a guitar solo and some how thats a “white thing?”

    Only in a white mans world.

    “Stonefree, to do what I please
    Stonefree, to ride the breeze
    Stonefree, I can’t stay,
    I got to, got to, got to get away”

    Prince overdosed on painkillers; but Im not sure if he believed his own bullshit because he had a carefully crafted “brand” or image that fed his demographic. Was that him? Or his “handlers?”

    Prince was 57. Thats too old to be still jumping off stacks of amplifiers, doing the splits… 4 1/2 hours a night; but would his fan demographic allow him to transition into anything else?
    Same thing with Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston.

    When white fans take you to the top of the mountain they don’t congratulate you; they put a gun to your head and order you to fly.

    The problem with white fans is they will have you getting high off your own supply.”

  289. Weak stuff again thwack. Your caricatures of white people are deliberately insulting; and you take that tack because you are used to dealing with people who are like you: people who have low self-opinions.

    Get a grip on who you are. Until you do, you have nothing to offer anyone here, or anywhere else.

  290. By the way, thwack, you say you are a musician. Bullshit. If you don’t put up your stuff, it is like saying you bench press 500 lbs: it is a joke.

    Only someone with very little to show in the real world, brags of their accomplishments online. Internet 101, you low-iq fool.

    People who have intelligence speak with clarity, not with deliberate obscurity to make it sound like they are coming from someplace special and unique. As if your life experience is special or unusual. Are you 30 years old? If you are, time to grow up.

  291. What an embarrassment, for black people. A caricature of pomposity.

    To sum it up; music only has a “color” for white people; or people who think like white people. “Black music” is non linear by nature; if you were a musician you would know that there was nothing “white” about Hendrix or Prince’s music; hell, there was nothing “white” about Terry Kath’s music either? It is what it is; why isn’t that good enough for you white man?

    Right there in that paragraph it is thwack saying that that music is not white; and in that same paragraph saying that music only has color to white people.

    Contradict yourself much?

    What an idiot. Get the fuck out of here thwack, you are wasting my time.

  292. The quoted selection talks about “white music” and “black music”, and puts those things in quotes, but the implication of the entire paragraph is that those are categories to be considered.

    Is that interpretation not correct?

    But the paragraph starts with, that only white people consider music in color; but thwack in that very paragraph is considering music in color.

    Ergo: thwack is white; or thwack is an idiot.

    Or thwack is a regular black guy who doesn’t know how to think logically with words, and just strings them together in a way that sound impressive, because it impresses other black people.

    Either way thwack, your idiocy is exposed. Counter the argument with some verbal reasoning, or shut the fuck up. You will get a fair hearing; chances are a thousand to one that you can’t address my criticism, with any coherent verbal reasoning. I look forward to your weak-ass efforts.

  293. One time in the Army I was sitting outside on a bench with a Black guy next to me. I think we were both Privates then. He was the type who likes to be noticed and validated, and since getting positive validation is hard, he always went the easy route for negative validation. And If any reader here has been in the military, he’ll know what I mean: he was the sort who trumpeted his accomplishments far and wide to anyone who’d listen, the accomplishments specifically being his demonstrations of proficiency in “shamming.” That’s Army lingo for avoiding work while appearing to be working.

    So we’re sitting on the bench and a squad of female trainees runs by in formation. He points out to me the female that he finds most attractive. In the spirit of man-talk, I point to the one that I do. Predictably, he gets that quarrelsome look on his face and goes “why you White guys always be likin’ them skinny bitches?” To stay in his frame would have been to explain why I “liked” the particular female I politely pointed to as least unattractive in the bunch. I opted out of the pointless debate and just shrugged his question off.

    I have no idea what just jogged that recollection.

  294. I should refrain from those insult wars. He insults me, i insult him, and then what.

    He insults me again, and then what. What is the point.

    Basically black and white people don’t like each other.

    What are we even arguing about? Prince? Who fucking cares. I like his music and have an opinion. thwack tells me my opinion doesn’t count because he is a musician. Why do i care what an internet blowhard says.

    Basically what is going on, is that this is an opportunity for a black guy on the internet to act like someone. And i take the bait by insulting him, because i don’t much like his type either. Great.

    Could we just agree, maybe to respect each other’s space?

    If not, then stick to the argument. Which is what, exactly? Linear and non-linear, what a boring cliche, what a boring criticism. Prince’s music is not non-linear, it is very structured. But i’m black and i know Prince better than you because i’m a musician.

    Ok buddy, whatever you say. thwack was run out of another sight because no one liked him. What kind of person hangs around a place where people don’t like him?

    That is such obvious psychology. A person who doesn’t like himself. Well thwack, i don’t like you either, so does that mean you are going to hang around here?

    To even suggest that “non-linear” is a way to describe Prince or his place in music is just stupid. It is grasping at straws, it is a non-sensical categorization: which is ironic because the criticism is that white people insist on categories in understanding music; but it is thwack who is categorizing Prince’s music as non-linear, as opposed to something else. Sorry buddy, we were actually just appreciating his music, before came in with your retarded (and not to mention pretentious) classification scheme.

  295. You all were having some good jokes, and i freaked out at thwack, and more or less upped a feud into being.

    That was a mistake. I would rather comment on the train incident.

    But one meta comment. It is always illustrative how the very problems under discussion, appear within the discussion itself.

    For instance, in the case of the train in California and the wine tasting, black women are being black women and obnoxious, and the white people don’t like it, and the next thing you know it’s a lawsuit and a big hassle for everyone, except that the plaintiffs are hoping for a payday.

    And compare that situation to how a black guy comes on the scene here, just being black, and gets on my nerves. Now i don’t speak for no one but myself, but it seems comparable. But in this here example, i argue back with the obnoxious black man and tell him to sit down.

    Whatever the differences in the details, it is yet another example of how different styles are opposed. Blacks often think that obnoxiousness is just fun, but white people don’t like that, it rubs them the wrong way.

    They probably honestly thought those black women women were being disruptive on purpose, but nothing could be further from the truth. They just like to guffaw wildly, talk at the same time and get up in the aisleways to reminisce on the old dances they used to be in the club back in the day. They’re going to enjoy the moment, and why shouldn’t they.

    No, those women knew they were being obnoxious, and were enjoying making the white people and their nice lives uncomfortable. At least that’s my opinion.

    I see similar stuff all the time, on the bus wherever. Those blacks love to make white people squirm. They live for it. And but then they have plausible deniability that they were just being themselves.

    But them just being themselves involves a LOT passive aggression that is hardly even passive.

    It’s not just obnoxiousness, it’s veiled and sometimes not-so-veiled aggression.

  296. “Oh i was just being myself, i like to thrust my pelvis around in people’s faces, i thought that was social behavior that they could groove on.”

    That is essentially what black people do all the time. You’re not uptight about that, are you, white man?

    They’re just having fun being themselves, and why shouldn’t they? They just cuttin loose, let em go, dont be oppressin em man.

  297. I would rather not have insulted thwack’s intelligence quite so explicitly. Kind of a cheap shot, on my part. Protocol is that i let him insult me some back, and then forget it.

    People and life by its nature exists at the limits of our tolerance, and at the limits of our ability to suffer it. The precept of Buddhism is Life is Suffering, but the common understanding of that precept is not really where it’s at.

    It’s more like Malthus. We are all going to push the boundaries of where and how we can live, to the maximum extent that we can endure. Maybe in the Afterworld there is a break, you can always see the Sun?

  298. Oh but won’t you proceed apace?

    *******************

    It’s funny (and illustrative) how people including characters online create the dramas that they want in real life.

    For instance i want to shout at black people and tell them that they are obnoxious, and tell them to shut up and go away and find their place.

    That is what i want when i see them wherever.

    And they want to be obnoxious, or what they call themselves. Now of course not all blacks are like that, but that doesn’t seem to matter. Because the larger trend is the fight for dominance, and whichever group is winning or on the ascent in that fight for dominance, will have its members who are in your face.

    That is the reality on the ground, that cannot be denied. Because we are primates and animals and we are in a struggle and a fight for life whether we like it or not, and our race groups are biological competitors, whether we like it or not, and the young dumb and full of cum ones are going to remind of that, whether we like or not.

    That is the larger pattern. It seems pretty obvious and undeniable, when it is put in such simple and plain terms.

    But we are supposed conditioned to transcend our animal nature because we are humans and good ones at that.

    Part of the equation of this competitive dynamic that gets complicated, is that when one is older and out of the fight, one is able to step back and not care as much, to find some peace and space within, and not worry about the commons and what is going on there. Or at least that is how it has been.

    Am i making any sense? It seems to me that this animal-style explanation is what works.

    The races are in conflict to the extent that they exist. And the conflict plays out in the lives of the representatives of the races-in-question, to the extent that they express their race.

  299. Someone like the thwack character comes in, and it doesn’t even matter what he says, he is just beating his chest. He doesn’t like white people forming their own groups, because what it portends.

    In his own head, his opinions make sense and are honest. He even thinks that they are metaphysical. That they are not expressed with internal coherence does not matter to him; to him that indicates that other people are not getting it.

    Arguing his concepts with him is a lost cause, because who cares. Ultimately all these concepts would want to be hashed out … if they have to be; but it would be better if they didn’t have to be, if instead we could work out our own ideas with people who we share values with.

    Because if we don’t share the same values, our ideas will never align.

    The situation of America and its mixed up population is still at large. It still needs a race real politics that appeals to its core.

  300. A good example, perhaps the best example, of shared values or lack of such, is behavior in public space.

    How blacks behave, versus how whites behave, is in itself, the difference THAT MATTERS and why we can’t get along.

    They are different animals and they will behave differently.

  301. There is something to the idea Steve Sailer put forth of “black male charisma.” There is a certain type of black man who can be very likable to white people. I think he generally falls somewhere between talented tenth black and ghetto black on the intelligence and class scale. He also has a sincere respect and appreciation for white people, while being very comfortable as a black man.
    Obsidian occasionally showed glimmers of “black male charisma”, but then he’d lose his cool.

  302. “we are primates and animals and we are in a struggle and a fight for life whether we like it or not, and our race groups are biological competitors, whether we like it or not,”

    Yes, yeah and for sure —– but that is a very, very fluid and ever-changing status, these ‘race groups.’

    Granted, I probably emphasize this because said ‘fluidity’ and ‘ever-changing”-ness is disproportionately relevant to me and mine. But that fact is meta for all in effecting the perpetually changing ‘here and now.” Again, i go back to my example of the state of race and race relations and how they affect identity in 1900 compared to those same questions and categorical definitions in 2000.

    Heritage has become a postmodern thing.

  303. LOL, nah that’s a just a guy that goes to lots of sci-fi and Marvel conventions, always decked out in Superman stuff. I’ve never met him but they say he’s sort of a cult or fan favorite wherever he goes.

  304. Prince’s music is not non-linear, it is very structured. But i’m black and i know Prince better than you because i’m a musician

    He should pat himself on the back for being one of the 3% of black Americans who can even name a song by Jimi Hendrix.

    If not, then stick to the argument. Which is what, exactly? Linear and non-linear, what a boring cliche, what a boring criticism.

    By “non-linear” he means untraceable chaotic, inscrutable….like black paternity.

    It’s a common theme that blacks try to float when they describe themselves as these mystical, artistic sun people… who sat there from the beginning of time with nothing but the most rudimentary of musical implements until the white man starting showing up on their coasts.

  305. Elk…

    I hear you loud and clear…

    Black wants all the perks of objective Supremacy without ever having to transcend radical autonomy.

    White wants to transcend the bounds of radical autonomy without giving due credit to objective Supremacy.

  306. Camlost |
    If not, then stick to the argument. Which is what, exactly? Linear and non-linear, what a boring cliche, what a boring criticism.

    By “non-linear” he means untraceable chaotic, inscrutable….like black paternity.
    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Shamlost and Slobburban_dildo are not musicians; but they wanna talk about music?

    Thats like two fat chicks who think they are qualified to talk about food because they eat like pigs.

    . You wanna know about food?

    Go talk to a chef or a farmer; not these two fat bumpkins spewing verbal lard, cheetos and high fructose corn syrup…

    In contrast, I AM a musician, and it has been my experience that many white people are uncomfortable working from the concept; they need a script; you can’t just look at them and say

    “yo, get in where you fit in, ahhhhhight?”

    They’ll just stand there all pale and stiff like The English Patient waitin for you to tell them what the fuck to do?

    Thats why I quit jamming with white GUYS. They fuck up your flow. They play each song the same way from beginning to end; then grab a seat and start polishing their moon rocks… that shit is annoying; we finally get the white girls dancin like HOs and you stop playing?

    Are you fucking retarded?

    (((shakin my head)))

    This is what they fucking do.

    BTW– my comments about non white people NOT being linear thinkers and non linear thought being the seat of creativity? Thats James Burke, from his history of technology colloquium series called “Connections” so stop hatin white man. Your attempts to turn all art into a racial battle just makes you look flaccid because thats not how music works.

    Your walls, barriers and borders are no match for my limbic rhythms and sonic transformations; in other words, fuck yo wall and fuck yo couch too.

    Meanwhile, you can’t write a song, so your career won’t last long.

    Just face the facts faggots; racism and music don’t mix. Its not “me”, my charisma, my ability to self assemble something out of nothing… Its called NATURE; stop attacking it and try embracing it for a change?

    For example; all these UK guitar lords we study and copy: Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck… even George Harrison and John Lennon… well guess who they studied and copied?

    thats right, a bunch of broke down, back of the bus, cotton PICKIN kuntry nigrows in the USA; Muddy Waters, Lightnin Hopkins, Robert Johnson, John Lee Hooker…

    yeah, thats how it works bitches; now go run and tell.

    Look,

    It takes a certain attitude to become a musician; unfortunately, its not one you clowns will ever have because you can’t stop hatin long enough to accept something for what it is; instead of what you want it to be (white)

    It must really, really suck to be you?

    get well soon.

    PS– Hows that transfer back to Starbucks coming along?

    Lemme know if you want me to talk to PA? I can make it happen for ya.

  307. In contrast, I AM a musician, and it has been my experience that many white people are uncomfortable working from the concept; they need a script; you can’t just look at them and say

    So effing what? Nobody gives a shit about anything you say here, flapjack. We don’t care what magnitude of musician you claim to be. Nobody cares who you claim to jam with… and if you’ve got to brag to complete strangers about your musical abilities that kinda brings your alleged skill into question…

    And black people don’t give a care about live instrumentation any more, anyway. Strumming a guitar just makes you a corny nigga Hendrix wannabe, you’re not getting any respect from black folks for that.

    Your black ass needs to be studying up for your GED equivalency instead of wasting your time flapping your blue gums about this crap, anyway.

  308. Another below average post.

    Put up or shut up. If you are any good, i will admit it, upon hearing your stuff. As it stands, you are nobody.

    Your posting is shit. You can’t even insult ME very well, hahaha. You lose.

    Walk the walk; where is your catalogue? My rep here is based on the coherent ideas i present. Yours is based on your imagination.

    thwack, the only thing you got going here, is the courtesy extended you by the regulars.

    The way you behave is an embarrassment to your race, everyone involved here, and likely in your life as well.

    You don’t play with white people because you are too good for them? What a loser.

    Please keep posting though – NO ONE has made a better case than you, that blacks are more trouble than they are worth. / hahaha

  309. What an embarrassment, to have guys like thwack around.

    It is fun to mock him, but that is not to anyone’s credit either.

    There are plenty of people who LIKE abuse; it substitutes for attention and even love. That is well known commonsense psychology, and sad but true: people who mistake abuse for affection, simply because it is some form of attention.

    They are not able to earn the respect in life that they would like to have. Respect is hard to earn. It doesn’t come from bragging about yourself.

    Black people, some of them, tend to brag about themselves. Embarrassing behavior, and unbecoming.

  310. On the general topic of how the alt-right ought to appeal to non-whites, it seemed (for a minute) that what’s-his-name might have been able to contribute.

    Too bad his interpersonals were prohibitive.

    The alt-right NEEDS the perspective of non-whites, especially here in America where they are part of the historical CORE population.

    I am trying to emphasize this theme, because it seems both OBVIOUS and as of yet UN-MADE: the alternative right needs to appeal to black Americans and the other core Americans.

    Is it a given assumption, that that would be a good thing? or is the case being made that instead we simply want to kill all the niggers? because that case too has its merits.

    More serious people such as those at MPC, consider the alt-right (to be) fringe politics that is doomed to oblivion; something in its nature makes it a non-starter; i think they generally consider that ‘the People’ aren’t down with it, and so what’s the point?

    nikcrit, if you are not familiar with MPC, you will have to go there for your article.

    They call Trump the God Emperor, and to them that is real politics and all this online stuff is essentially jacking off. Real online politics would be trolling twitter though.

    Forums for people who agree with each other are feelgood sessions. God damn niggers!

  311. It is fun to mock him, but that is not to anyone’s credit either.

    This last time he just broke down with hurt feelings and cried like a little b**ch when I questioned his judgment in music. Then he had a JNBN relapse and goes back to vacillating from predictable bravado and silly arrogance back to trying to look authoritative by giving us a comically superficial rehash of tired ass music history that everybody already knows. I guess when you’re a high school dropout you always have Internet boasting as your last gasp chance at feeling important.

  312. At MPC they are a little more ‘adult’ – which has its minuses too. Very one-sided on a lot of social issues, especially those regarding art and creativity. On those topics our discussion here are better than theirs.

    But their take, on the appropriate place for a non-white perspective on white identity politics, is that for non-whites to be involved, they have to “become white” (so to speak).

    Exactly what that means, is not for me to say, but it suggests that white interests and white advocacy, is a white thing, and that’s that: there are certain non-negotiables (values) and you are either with us or not.

  313. On the general topic of how the alt-right ought to appeal to non-whites, it seemed (for a minute) that what’s-his-name might have been able to contribute.

    Elk, you’ve mentioned this a few times and it’s not gonna happen. Do you just not know black people that well? These people don’t even lift a finger to provide for their own children, you think they’re gonna do the work it would take to be allies with the alt right?

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