The Alt-Right’s Settled Debates

Why Define a Consensus on what’s been Settled?

To move forward with our proper focus, the destiny of Western civilization. To distinguish between the legitimate revisiting of old assumptions and the distracting rehashing of old arguments.

When were those Questions Settled?

Between 2008 and 2013. The great debates on male-female dynamics, race, and the future of our nations shifted into high gear in 2008 at Chateau Heartiste and related blogs. I single out the Chateau because that’s where the passion and the new ideas churned and then fanned out to the broader culture. The July 13, 2013 acquittal of George Zimmerman was a watershed moment for us and it marks the anti-White narrative’s Stalingrad collapse. That date is a fitting marker for when the big questions were internally settled.

What is the Alt-Right’s Baseline Consensus?

The points below are what all but the most eccentric among the nationalists, manosphere writers, traditionalists, and libertarian neo-reactionaries agree on. Most of these points come across as moderate relative to much of the writing out there, being that they represent an overlap in the sometimes competing visions within the Alt-Right’s big tent.

So here is the Alt-Right consensus:

Blacks. They require assistance in achieving and maintaining a level of civic and material comfort on par with that of other races. Quantity + Equality = Can’t Have Nice Things.

Christianity. It is not an internally settled matter. For some, Christian faith is a non-negotiable foundation of our identity with implications on the afterlife. Others see it as detrimental to our vitality.

Democracy. In its present form, it is the rule by those who control the formation of public opinion and whose interests are not aligned with the interests of the voters. The two-party system in the United States is real, just like pro wrestling.

Family. While the role of extended families varies by culture, the traditional patriarchal model is the only one that provides a healthy environment for raising children.

Immigration. It is harmful to Western nations at present levels, low-skill immigration in particular. Manifest incompatibility between host and guest populations belie the economic- or demography-based arguments in favor of mass immigration.

Institutions. Traditionally conservative or masculine institutions such as the Republican party, the military, large corporations, mainline churches, and professional sports have been coopted by liberalism.

Islam. Don’t let it in.

Jews. As self-identified minorities with an enduring identity, they have acquired — justly or not — a reputation for subverting their host nations. Israel is a model of practical nationalism.

Multiculturalism. Diversity is not our strength. The involuntary comingling of disparate peoples is not “enriching.”

Race. It is a fundamental element of a human being’s identity. The human biodiversity model is predictive on the macro scale.

Religion. A purely materialist philosophy is insufficient as a pillar of a culture or an ethical system. Nobody wants to die over a contract.

Russia. It is not a potential threat to any Western nation beyond her near-abroad European neighbors. An enemy-of-an-enemy is an ally, and our common adversary is U.S.-led globalism.

Sex. The female is attracted to male power, charm, and confidence. She has contempt for male weakness or supplication. The male is attracted to the female’s youth, beauty, and femininity and is repulsed by her physical or moral decay.

USA. Her foreign and domestic policy is controlled by interests whose ambitions are at odds with the welfare of her own citizens, the existential question of Western nations, and geopolitical stability.

Whites. Interracial obligations do not justify self-destructive sacrifice on the part of the White benefactor, nor are they mandated by any notion of historic debt. Charges of racism fail to explain the disparity between the achievements of Whites and others.

Women. They crave male leadership and go batshit without it. Given the power, they will destroy their world, especially from the voting booth. Don’t listen to what she says — watch what she does.

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150 thoughts on “The Alt-Right’s Settled Debates

  1. Excellent. 2008 was an important year, for a few reasons. It hit the big time around 2013.

  2. The July 13, 2013 acquittal of George Zimmerman was a watershed moment for us and it marks the anti-White narrative’s Stalingrad collapse. That date is a fitting marker for when the big questions were internally settled.

    The Duke Lacrosse case (2006) was my personal watershed moment, partly since I went to college nearby and know the area very well.

  3. The Simpson trial was when I had my eyes opened to how differently most blacks think from most whites. I still get along with blacks on a day to day basis, but I no longer expect to see eye to eye with them on any issues involving race.

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  5. My moment was being a kid in the late-90s, fighting with nogs and experiencing vibrancy firsthand in Cleveland.

    I had no idea about CH until 2013. Shame.

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  7. There is only one alt-rite consensus that matters and as such renders all other issues as merely a case of the broken clock being “right” twice a day.

    And so on the issue of the existence of Jesus Christ AS EVIDENCE of empirical Perfection and thus falsification of “universal equality,” the alt-rite IS FIRMLY AND UNDOUBTEDLY on the side of “universal equality.” Ergo, the alt-rite IS FUNDAMENTALLY egalitarian.

    So the “intellectual core” of the alt-rite is the most radically autonomous “entity” on the scene.

  8. Of course, the mass of alt-rite converts cannot conceive the above as the most practical path to an all descent… Universal equality equals fundamental egalitarianism EQUALS total degeneracy. They cannot “see” that they argue the “myth” of Christ BECAUSE they cannot foresee the consequences of denying conceptual Perfection, ie., objective Supremacy, AND unwittingly pay homage to “universal equality.” The diabolical “nature” of our “default elite” is in the very fact that the masses are mediocre by definition, but will not then “see” the “default elite” as objectively Supreme. This can only create a grand madness WHEN our “default elite” deny their “objective supremacy” with their boot on “OUR” necks.

    BUT…

    It is in fact TRUE that “our” “default elite” is not objectively supreme. They are totally degenerate. “Leading” the way to an all out descent. And with a “white” mass equally anti-(white) Supremacy (including core and mass of alt-rite), it’s a done deal short of mass conversion to wS.

  9. And wS just is a racialized white Christianity contra modern deracinated “Christianity.” And thus, to know the core of the “intellectual” alt-rite is to know “it” to be against a racialized white Christianity (even as “it” falsely protests deracinated “Christianity”).

    So from the mind of the zeitgeist is a deconversion from a racialized white Christianity. This is passively-aggressively understood as anti-white Supremacy.

    And if ALL ARE anti-white Supremacy THEN none are racialized white Christians, ie., genuine white Supremacists. Game over.

    Thank God, the genuine wS JUST CAN COME INTO EXISTENCE… And all white males may apply… Themselves.

  10. I believe it is safe to include the debate of hierarchy in the above list. There is an alt-right consensus that hierarchy in all aspects of society is a good thing, and many of the above points tangentially address this. Whether it be hierarchy in the family, one’s religion, form of government, or economy, the alt-right has consistently denied the blindness of libertarians, anarchists, a notion of equality by default, etc.

  11. I was originally going to have more points in the post. For example, I considered including: “Homosexuality: a psychological defect. Teh Ghey can be your virtuoso ally or your most annoying enemy.” Also, points on economics, art, and many other contentious things could have been shown but I had to cut the list somewhere.

    As Lucius wrote in his linked commentary on this post, this post is in fact is “an ecumenical consensus in view,” which is why most of it sounds more moderate than my other writing. This post is not a list of demands, which would take an extreme starting point as per normal negotiation strategy. Rather, the points in it are (as I noted) areas of agreement.

    For example, an MRA will shy away from racialism in the interest of an anti-feminist alliance, a WN will be more forgiving of female mischief in the interest of creating the next generation, Eastern European nationalists are wary of Russia while US nationalists are enthusiastic about her, and neoreactionaries (whose role on the Alt-Right is in my opinion overstated in media’s articles) are more open to multiculturalism. Or the Jews item: the aim was to show where Aryan Skynet and Lawrence Auster would agree. So my aim in this post is to illustrate the things that all but the most radical within those aligned movements agree on. Such an acknowledged consensus will then keep our narrative from getting derailed by bad-faith or merely obtuse revisiting of old contentions.

  12. You didn’t address crime and gun control. But most of these positions vary little, if at all, from Populism. You didn’t discuss economic organization and I think that is where Populism veers left — it’s a mix of left and right.

  13. Rob: yeah, some of those I didn’t think of and others just had to be left out for the sake of keeping the post concise and limited to the most internally contentious subjects.

  14. To distinguish between the legitimate revisiting of old assumptions and the distracting rehashing of old arguments.

    Hmmm. Somehow I get the feeling that some of the discussions between you(PA) and me inspired this post. lol.

    [yes — PA]

  15. the aim was to show where Aryan Skynet and Lawrence Auster would agree.

    How might you elaborate on that point?

    [not sure I follow. — PA]

  16. The Duke Lacrosse case (2006) was my personal watershed moment,

    I think the Duke incident was a much more egregious example. The bias was immediate and overt: the D.A.’s zeal coupled with a complete disregard for the facts was stunning; ditto for the mediated letter signed by dozens of Duke faculty. In every aspect of that case, “The Cause” was cut-and-dry above the evidence, the discovery…. It was crazy—– and though many don’t acknowledge it today, many mainstream media outlets said as much at the time. Even MSNBC, led by Daniel Abrahms (sp?) was shocked by the lack of jurisprudence in that case from the get-go.

  17. Even MSNBC, led by Daniel Abrahms (sp?) was shocked by the lack of jurisprudence in that case from the get-go.

    Well, there was also a highly prominent NYT editor who commented on that as well.

    But I’m pretty sure that Rachel Maddow was given almost unlimited airtime on MSNBC to talk about this ad nauseam, she’s the type that would maintain that those Lacross kids should be found guilty due to the “larger issue” at hand.

  18. thwack,

    According to that genius Lucius, I am you. Or a Jewish girl.

    PA,

    Good summary. Now, let’s talk about the only variables that really matter — money, commodity flows. Examine those points from the cost-perspective alone, else assume that ideology is the primary motive in human behavior. It isn’t. This is the secret reason WN and the Alt-Right refuse to reckon with it: they fear it cannot be solved ideologically.

    Blacks: options in a perfect scenario would be removal, quarantine, and actual genocide. I’m ruling out genocide as it’s actually never occurred at the numbers implied here, not even close. Quarantine allows two options: somewhere blacks already live in great numbers; somewhere unfavorable to human habitation. In the former, we’d be eliminating a sector of economic importance, such as port cities or supply lanes; in the latter, we’d be consigning them to death. This is all apart from the cost of actually rounding people up, which the Blacks would resist in spirited if disorderly fashion.

    It is assumed that, in this perfect scenario, all the money currently going into supporting Blacks would be immediately thrown into the project of removing them from white living space. While that will not happen, if it did, removing them would still probably cost much more than the money going into their support in a single fiscal year — plus lives lost in widespread urban warfare. There is, obviously, no will to pull that off, and so many whites are mixed in with blacks that a good number would join the resistance.

    This leaves one actual possibility: continuing to support them in our midst, but with new rules, i.e. apartheid. And as with anything else, we are inconceivably far from finding the will, opportunity, or resources to bring this about. In short, Blacks are our permanent burden; as Americans, they are us, in effect.

    Christianity: There is big money resting in and flowing through Christian coffers. Those most closely identifying with Christianity are for the most part cucked or willing to be cucked. A much smaller number are online pretending to be “orthodox” or “traditional” to jazz up their miserable insignificant lives. Thus, in the perfect scenario, far more Christian noise-making would come from whites opposing the new order than those trying to impose in the name of Christ, the money would follow, and so Christianity may be construed as much more of an impediment than not. Ideologically, for those on the far right it is worthless, and mainly a symptom of extreme alienation.

    Democracy: Saying “in its present form” implies that it has an essence that is being disserved by the way it’s done in America, which is the same argument made by academic leftists who defend Communism by claiming what happened in the Soviet Union wasn’t “true Communism”. Essentialism gets us nowhere. The American system must be analyzed as it is without undue emphasis on its alleged principles. As such, it is more useful to think of it as an international clearing house for goods and services than as a nation. To the extent that shit is going very wrong for American whites, it is precisely to the extent that America is, and depends on being, “weltoffen”, i.e. a global franchise. And as the delegate business makes pretty clear, we’re far enough from the Swiss plebiscite that clinging to this idealized notion of “democracy” is mere romanticism. More, people would have no clearer idea of they were voting for even in a plebiscite, for the simple reason that modern society is far too complex for average people to comprehend at all, and even for above-average people to bear in mind day to day. The total movements of capital and industry have to be modeled by egghead programs that generate network maps which very, very few have the ability or patience to understand. This is all quite far from the simplistic notion of “democracy” to which people cling as if to a dinghy at sea in the middle of a storm.

    Family: If one ignores the economic presuppositions of the patriarchal family, or even the different forms of that family – nuclear vs extended – one has already idealized it as something that can occur anywhere, that was imposed rather than something that evolved in place, very much as feminists think of it, as a “system”. But it isn’t a system and so cannot be reintroduced by fiat — it was a mode of habitation in certain times & places that has now become obsolete in America, owing to factors such as crowding, culture, and the centralization of wealth.

    Jews: If Israel is a model of practical nationalism, their long-term prospect as a nation is anything but. Their demographic problem is actually worse than ours, in that they are dealing with a space only three-thousand sq miles larger than New Jersey, with two inimical populations fighting a war of the wombs. Palestinians exhibit classical r-selected reproduction, while Jews, ignoring the carrying capacity of their habitat (“K)”, exhibit a purposeful r-selected strategy. This is highly dysfunctional, and will not end well for either people. Thus, if this is a model of practical nationalism, it is one with even greater disaster baked in. As for American Jews, whatever one may say of them, unless we find ourselves in the perfect scenario, nothing at all can be done about them. Given that there is a fraction of American Jews who support Trump, and aren’t hostile to racialism, the question is still open whether one should cultivate this or continue the borderline psychopathic Lucius/Tourette’s identification of anyone not posting Taylor Swift Nazi memes as a “Jewish agent”. Anyway, with a greater average household income per capita than any other demographic, and 25-35% of domestic billionaires, the money is on their side, and that’s that.

    “Religion. A purely materialist philosophy is insufficient as a pillar of a culture or an ethical system. Nobody wants to die over a contract.”

    Reductio ad absurdum, of course. As a materialist, I have no desire to die over a contract either — probably less than your average believer, it seems to me. Further, no one proposed the materialist worldview as a “pillar of culture or ethical system”, and of course you’re assuming culture and ethics are imposed, not emergent. In a perfect scenario, you’ll want materialists at the top working with your idealized faithful ruler, for the sake of a comprehensive strategy if nothing else. When you rule out another perspective, you get lost in the tunnel of your own … and you invade Russia in winter.

    Russia: Nowhere does the failure to reckon events from a geopolitical perspective become more apparent and fatal to any political ideology than when talking about Russia. Russia’s long-term prospects economically are mostly dim, but thanks to geography and a virtual monopoly on certain critical commodities, they will be able to punch above their weight-class on the world stage. And they may have more growth in the future as American growth declines and so on. The bottom line is that America is in cooperative competition with Russia for the same scarce resources — rare earth elements above all, in my opinion. As those become scarcer, the pinch will be felt in all industries where those elements are absolutely critical (space exploration, medical instruments, etc.). There are several intersecting lines between Russia and America (such as Chinese soft power) which, completely irrespective of ruling ideology in either country, guarantee and necessitate competition; and given the human tendency to exaggeration through ideology, this guarantees a slippery slope into an underlying tone of hostility. America wasn’t declared Russia’s enemy by people we dislike: it became so on the world stage as competitive powers. Life is either about competition with other entities or it isn’t. If it is, competition will loom slightly larger in life than cooperation, which is in fact what we see — everywhere, in every level and domain of life. There is really no grounds for “cooperation” when this view is taken. In the perfect scenario, Russia could not even send weapons or troops over here to help out an insurrection given the American military’s monopoly of both oceans and the airways … unless we assume the military will swing wildly pro-white, which is insane thinking, and anyway still depends on critical industries which will be more concerned with revenue than ideology, etc.

    “USA. Her foreign and domestic policy is controlled by interests whose ambitions are at odds with the welfare of her own citizens, the existential question of Western nations, and geopolitical stability.”

    In a world of 7.5 billion humans, there can be no such thing as geopolitical stability: first premise. Let me not merely reject this assertion, let me magnify it: life is in competition against other life. When the numbers of a breeding population spike as humans have done in a closed habitat, you’re looking at exponentially more conflict among units. There is no stability, there is no steady state, there is no world peace. So to speak of one nation or another being at odds with “geopolitical stability” – which isn’t your perspective, anyway – ignores this fundamental fact and engages in essentialism, as though if one could just solve for x, y would result. Not how it works. Now, there is a case to be made that if one could just solve for Israel, there would likely be more world cooperation than obtains today, but this is a special case. America is obviously much larger with its tentacles everywhere, and to the extent that we depend on this and that to have our lives as they are, or even close to what they are, this entanglement is obligatory. Ditto Russia, though the Russians still exist at a lower threshold of material entanglement with the rest of the world. Those interests and ambitions controlling the direction of the country are also emergent, not imposed, from the very conditions which made you and I possible; so there is no disentangling that, either, as much as we hate it. The “existential question” for white nations is really this: what do you want to hold on to? To the extent that white people are unwilling to sacrifice things that make their lives comfortable, to that extent are they trapped by, implicated in the very state of affairs extirpating them, making their evolved strategies obsolete and maladaptive.

    In sum, white nationalism – “alt-right” is a cute but useless rebranding – suffers from some critical false premises, and these bear fruit in logical impossibilia. The first false premise is that white people are a “we”, i.e. a coherent population group with unified interests (group selectionism). The second false premise is that ideology occurs in a vacuum, i.e. does not depend on material presuppositions allowing for the social luxury of ideology and its transmission (social constructionism). The third false premise that nations occur in a vacuum and “all would be well if x, y, z were not so”. I guess I could multiply these, but you get the point.

  19. Also, I left out those items that I basically agree with, or don’t see as more complex than the WN/alt-right version of things.

    For example, Islam: unquestionably, the Muslim völkerwanderung is a net evil for white people. On the other hand, this isn’t primarily a religious problem, but a Darwinian one: it has to do not with Islam as an ideology, but the surplus populations of African and Near Eastern societies, who carry with them a hostile ideology which lends itself to biological despotism. When someone says “military-age males” and “rapefugees”, they’re speaking in biological terms without acknowledging it.

    For the record, if I had to construct my own utopia or perfect scenario, it would be rigorously authoritarian, not very fun, probably theocratic — acknowledging that some kind of superstition or religiosity is the human norm, thus most conducive to “happiness”, and so more efficient with a view to social control. As I see things, this will likely be the shape of government in the near future anyway, though not theocratic, owing to constraints of infrastructure in balancing growing populations and diminishing resources — probably not to a successful end.

  20. In my opinion, white people’s problems are that they are not healthy because of their living arrangement.

    In some comment elsewhere, someone was relating that his relatives were all like “we deserve it” when they were finally argued into a corner and had to acknowledge that whites were getting demographically replaced. And that is also my impression about how regular above-average white people feel about things.

    Until that changes, nothing can be done for them.

  21. Well, that’s a moral interpretation of an amoral problem. Internalizing harm by thinking “I deserve it” is a way of taking symbolic control of the threat, a defense mechanism against something that can’t be fought off because it didn’t arise from one’s own actions in the first place. In all things the human mind seeks agency, preferably its own, and will project it anywhere.

    But concluding with statements like “until that changes” is precisely what I mean by “solving for x” assumptions: it is assumes a grossly simplified state of affairs in which one variable or another is selected as being the only agent responsible for that state. Asserting that to be so, it follows that if it – “x” – could be tinkered with, everything would be different. This is of course utopianism, the imaginative construction of a perfect world in which everything one prefers is given. In that respect, it serves the same function psychologically as Bernie supporters imagining they can vote their way out of debt into free college.

    People actually have to break the habit of assuming that what white people think or do matters. It doesn’t. You can think yourself up to the moon and back, and the real world won’t budge an inch for you in the meantime because human society is so much bigger than you or millions of you. It’s billions of people and trillions of dollars in vested interests, which will sooner crush millions of you than alter their course.

    There is no “deserve” here beyond the extent to which we proceed from and depend on the selfsame system as is crushing us. But in that sense, “deserve” loses its moral dimension, and we are left with a sadly neutral recognition of the mere fact that what we would like to defend is the same state of affairs that brought about our demise as a nation. You could kill every last Jew in the world and you would just bump the Hindus up to first place in household income and Chinese in the number of billionaires. The quixotic fixation on dei ex machinis can never account for the totality of factors because it proceeds from one factor or another, which it magnifies as having generated the totality — the easier to imagine that the totality is not accidental, but constructed, thus amenable to correction.

    BAM. Ok, I’ll shut up.

  22. Good summary. Now, let’s talk about the only variables that really matter — money, commodity flows. Examine those points from the cost-perspective alone, else assume that ideology is the primary motive in human behavior. It isn’t. This is the secret reason WN and the Alt-Right refuse to reckon with it: they fear it cannot be solved ideologically.

    Not everything is about money. Your entire comment is biased by the presumption of man as homo economicus. We are more than a collection of materialistic impulses that are corralled and catered to by an economic system.

    Let me not merely reject this assertion, let me magnify it: life is in competition against other life.

    It doesn’t have to be. As PA stated in an earlier post, Christianity teaches us that we don’t have to live like animals. You have a very dark vision of humanity that you likely think is hard headed realism. Maybe you need a sabbatical from whatever hedge fund you work at in order to get a more grounded perspective on things.

  23. Uh,
    Isn’t what you explain and proscribe is true for any expansive social or political theory; the proverbial ‘x’-factor is profoundly sublime and transfiguring.

  24. Well, there was also a highly prominent NYT editor who commented on that as well.

    Who is that? Howell Rains? The guy who got his ass cooked in that Jayson Blair scandal?I remember he, Blair and Stephen Glass hooked up for a a media event in Jersey—- a sorta post-modern “Liar’s Club.”

  25. PA –

    I loved this post. Your writing is succinct and clarifying.
    Richard Spencer and Ramzapaul did a recent podcast in which they argued for a big-tent alt-right. As someone who considers himself to be on the more moderate “Steve Sailer” wing, I will respond with some of my ideas when I get the chance (Im off work tomorrow)

  26. Who is that? Howell Rains? The guy who got his ass cooked in that Jayson Blair scandal?I remember he, Blair and Stephen Glass hooked up for a a media event in Jersey—- a sorta post-modern “Liar’s Club.”

    Dan Okrent was the name, had to google it.

  27. “Your entire comment is biased by the presumption of man as homo economicus.”

    Your entire is comment is biased by the presumption of man as more than homo economicus. By the way, bias shouldn’t be verbed. Also, I stick with Homo sapiens, as all organisms practice an economy of sorts.

    “We are more than a collection of materialistic impulses that are corralled and catered to by an economic system.”

    Says you. By the way, economy means “rule of the home”. Are you more than the rules of your home? ever been homeless? ever been lost in the woods and hungry? Just wondering.

    “As PA stated in an earlier post, Christianity teaches us that we don’t have to live like animals.”

    Even Christians have to eat. Most of them eat animals. That means they kill animals to eat them. Which is what other animals do. Oh, I see, men are not animals. Well, I guess a completely different set of rules applies — except where you need the other set, of course.

    “Maybe you need a sabbatical from whatever hedge fund you work at in order to get a more grounded perspective on things.”

    I have exactly $13 in my bank account. Now it’s going to be, you’re a pessimist because your life is hard. Spare me the ad homines.

    Anyway, I guess PA and you lot are “Christians”, so that nixes any headway with Darwinian logic, i.e. the praxis of actual organisms.

  28. “Uh,
    Isn’t what you explain and proscribe is true for any expansive social or political theory; the proverbial ‘x’-factor is profoundly sublime and transfiguring.”

    Most of them, yea. Geopolitics – not in the way Haushofer meant it, or a Dugin means it today – is exempt in that it examines the actual relationships between nations and the things they need at a given threshold of consumption. In other words it is a method, not an ideology, descriptive and not prescriptive, leaving aside writers’ biases, areas of emphasis, etc. The false consciousness inherent to WN stems from refusing to examine the prescriptive mode of their premises, that is to say, the “is” versus the “ought”, realia (that which is) versus desiderata (that which you would like to be). Very simple.

  29. And that is also my impression about how regular above-average white people feel about things.

    I think part of your problem is that you live in Minnesota, which in my opinion the most cucked state I have ever visited. It’s so chock full of drippy white liberals I would drink myself to death if I lived there.

    You know that video I linked to the other day of the anti-Trump protestors? Well, that shrieking liberal dude with the weird haircut, who is now known as “AIDS Skrillex”, was doxxed by someone at 4chan. Guess where he is from?

  30. I feel like I’m surrounded by fucking SJWs when I look at my Twitter TL and its 98% idiots whining about Tubman on the new $20

  31. Mr. Auster used to point out how the anti-wS, arrogantly firm in his materialist “metaphysics,” nonetheless successfully co-opted the language of wS to his advantage over a dull mass.

    Uh… Per your materialist “metaphysics” (example of co-opting a language that one cannot actually speak), you CANNOT POSIT the perfect scenario so as to provide yourself what appears to the dimwitted as a meta-plot that a coherent materialist “whole” might strive towards.

    What elk was saying and what I have been saying is that high IQ “white” males like yourself operate from a basic premise:

    I do not have a right to exist from conception.

    And it because the “smartest” of the “white” male is a self-annihilator and thus destined to “help” annihilate the white race, that he must deceive and distract his spiritual adversaries by co-opting the language of “perfect scenario.” Because in a TRULY perfect scenario, one has a right to exist from conception.

    And so this is part of that internecine psychological war THAT COMES BEFORE ALL this other talk. A head divided. Alt-riters are just acute evidence of this divided head.

  32. But Tubman on the twenty is really just a step closer to white man going full cashless society… All “money” is electronic.

  33. “As PA stated in an earlier post, Christianity teaches us that we don’t have to live like animals.

    Western Christianity has been great and all but if you look at the behavior of the Pope and other religious leaders recently I don’t think we can risk too much reliance on it as a tradition any longer. Some of them are the ones making it their life mission to import Somalis or evangelized Pacific Islanders.

    Also, in our new multicultural world our own brand of Christianity is becoming exposed to different types of Christianity espoused by people with whom we don”t have much in common, like Brazilians, Copts or Nigerian Christians. It would be better for White Nationalism if Western Christians didn’t see themselves as having religious kinship with these folks.

  34. Camlost…

    If you look at a thing wrong does that make “it” wrong?

    Forget about the worship of Christ…

    Now think about the worship of The Perfect Man?

    Such is both highly logical and TO YOU, unbelievable… As in, a perfect man is unbelievable… Inconceivable… Not having ever or will have ever existed.

    The trick of “liberalism” is to convince you that the consequence of the above BELIEF (contra the evidence of Christ) IS NOT a TOTAL PERSONAL descent. Such that in the form of an equation, “we” just know:

    Rejection of empirical Perfection = Total descent.

    Man doesn’t float…

  35. “Dan Okrent was the name, had to google it.”

    Oh, he was the ny times’ official ‘ombudsman’ in the 90s —— a vintage newspaper position that caught a retro vogue in the early-to-mid ’90s but which has now fallen out of favor again.

    It’s my opinion that the very qualifying abilities of a newsroom’s ‘managing editor’ entail ombudsmanship.

  36. Now think about the worship of The Perfect Man?

    I’d rather not.

    Oh, he was the ny times’ official ‘ombudsman’ in the 90s —— a vintage newspaper position that caught a retro vogue in the early-to-mid ’90s but which has now fallen out of favor again.

    And I would guess that his sort of open-minded, independent-thinking liberal is a dying breed at the NYT. The insane MSM treatment of the Michael Brown and Omar Thornton cases suggest to me that the younger generation in journailsm is entirely politicized now.

  37. It’s amusing when a materialist implicitly argues the illegitimacy of a social construction such as the “white race.” There is no need to deny both “our” historic and current penchant for self-annihilation. The question is the means of perpetuation? Is it a collective will or an individual will first? Clearly, there is no collective will to prolifically breed. Nor is the individual will to prolifically breed very strong. So to the extent that the “white race” manifests in the virtual world to inevitable seep out into the psyche of the real world, the basic premise should be DESIRE to exist from conception. This basic individual axiom of the high IQ white man is what infuses social construction of the “white race” with real legitimacy.

  38. no, what I meant specifically, is the ‘ombudsman’ is sort of a antiquated concept, sort-of like hired court jester or lyre player, on retainer to the royal court.

    I mean, paying someone to ponder whether your journalistic enterprise is unbiased and unswayed by lucre and other corruptible forces is what EVERYONE in a newsroom is supposed to be already thinking about—- the higher editorial staff there to refine the consensus into realpolitik newsroom policy. The managing editor and editor merely finalize that process—– it shouldn’t require one more hierarchical ‘step up’ to make it official; I mean, I sorta picture this guy wearing a robe and crown resting his chin on his palm while pondering self-interest vs priority.

  39. I mean, paying someone to ponder whether your journalistic enterprise is unbiased and unswayed by lucre and other corruptible forces is what EVERYONE in a newsroom is supposed to be already thinking about—

    OK, I get it. You’re saying it should already be everyone’s innate responsibility. Well, yeah but I don’t know enough about hour newsrooms work to know if that’s rational or not myself.

    But I have noticed that ESPN.com is continually talking about appointing a new Ombudsman lately, I guess they have a different person hold the title for a few months at a time.

  40. I’d rather not. — Camlost

    Lol… Yes, “man,” “we” understand. “We” understand so well that “we” can translate the above as, “I never have.” Such that you your Self has never been put up to “you” your perfected Self.

    THAT’S EQUAL TO SAYING YOU ARE NOT A WHITE MAN…. You are not a part of the white race… The white male puts himself up against the white man as a matter of course. And the white man JUST MUST put himself up against the white Supremacist, EITHER real OR JUST CONCEIVED in your own high IQ “white” male mind?

  41. “It would be better for White Nationalism if Western Christians didn’t see themselves as having religious kinship with these folks”

    What about black -vs- white American Christians?

    One of the most striking halfrican contrasts that made an impression on me was when I was young and would go to stoic and solemn white Episcopalian .services in prosperous Midwestern suburb, with my maternal grandmother; then, in summer, i’d be sent to see my paternal grandparents in Birmingham, I’d be taken to these converted-house church services, featuring stand-and-deliver Baptist hollers and throwdowns, replete with big black ladies passing out while wearing big fruitboat hats and hailing ‘sweet Jesus’….. that’s quite a contrast for a young developing mind.

  42. i’d be sent to see my paternal grandparents in Birmingham, I’d be taken to these converted-house church services, featuring stand-and-deliver Baptist hollers and throwdowns, replete with big black ladies passing out while wearing big fruitboat hats and hailing ‘sweet Jesus’….. that’s quite a contrast for a young developing mind.

    Those ladies pass out from fatigue because Southern black folks stay in church for like 14 hours on Sundays. But down here they now have massive megachurches run by Creflo Dollar or TD Jakes. Or you coulda been a pyramid builder like the Nuwaubians:

  43. An SJW, a feminist, a liberal, a cuckservative, and a conventional Republican read my list above. They strongly disagree with every item on it.

    Now, you put Lawrence Auster, Steve Sailer, Half Sigma/LoTB, Vox Day, the MRA guys from The Spearhead, Dalrock, Jared Taylor, Heartiste, Roosh, Mencius Moldbug (prior to his latest “distancing”), Thordaddy, Tanstaafl, and a hardline WN in the same room.

    Is there any item on my list which they will reject as too right wing or otherwise as too radical?

  44. Uh — “For the record, if I had to construct my own utopia or perfect scenario, it would be rigorously authoritarian, not very fun, probably theocratic — acknowledging that some kind of superstition or religiosity is the human norm, thus most conducive to ‘happiness'”

    The recent post titled “Freedom” looked at that. Summary: in an anarcho-tyranny, mere tyranny sounds nice. But the European spirit doesn’t do well under unmitigated surveillance and regimentation. We thrive under a touch of chaos and when free to deal with it.

    Additional speculation: varies by race? Totalitarian ant-hives endure in Sinic cultures like China and DPRK.

  45. uh
    “The first false premise is that white people are a “we”, i.e. a coherent population group with unified interests (group selectionism).”

    This is what thwack keeps complaining about.

    From the “Good News” thread (thwack in response to my question):
    “A coherent White nationalist narrative would entail white people answering deep existential questions such as, What is a white person? What is a white person required to do? Is being a white person a voluntary association? Is “whiteness” material or immaterial? WHEN does a person become a white person? At what age should a child be held accountable for knowing they are a white person? Can a white person reject their white classification? If so does that make them nonwhite?”

    It’s true, these questions are not “settled debates”.

    It’s funny how Jews, Blacks, Mestizos, Muslims, Gays, or anyone else can’t really answer these questions either. Yet they are able to organize into advocating for themselves as “coherent populations with unified interests” with tremendous efficacy. Why is it that our dreams are the only ones that are supposedly impossible because we can’t all agree on these questions?

    The idea of White racial destiny is a dream. A dream that terrifies our enemies, as can clearly be seen by their behavior.

    Something I like to occasionally bring up is that it is actually far less taboo for Whites to put down others, e.g. non-whites, Muslims, ect., than it is to uplift ourselves.

    If you start up a conversation with some random white people, even liberals will quietly agree with you they think blacks are stupid or Muslims are barbaric or some other such thing if they think no one is hearing. But if you try to convince them that the White race is beautiful, ingenious, or anything, they will look at you like you sacrifice kittens to Satan.
    Something is WRONG with this. This is the key.

    Great power lies buried here. It’s terrifying for good reason.

  46. Oh and I forgot to wish all of you gentlemen a happy 4-20.
    Let’s all spark up a spliff for uncle Adolf’s birthday. PA is exempt cuz he’s Polish. Dammit I don’t have one!

  47. nikcrit |
    To distinguish between the legitimate revisiting of old assumptions and the distracting rehashing of old arguments.
    Hmmm. Somehow I get the feeling that some of the discussions between you(PA) and me inspired this post. lol.
    [yes — PA]
    ——————————————————————————————————————————————————————
    hey Nik, you finished using my cock?
    You know Im gonna hafta start chargin you for taking credit for my work?
    You didn’t inspire shit; it was my nearly constant hammering away about the lack of a coherent white nationalist narrative on the “Good News of the Week” thread that “inspired” PA to subconsciously go into damage control mode and produce a post called “The Alt-Rights Settled Debates”
    I ain’t mad at him; nobody really wants to see the organ grinder go to the monkey for a loan.
    Did anybody else catch it? Nikrit makes the claim, which allows PA to cosign and in doing so they split credit for the inspiration which gives PA the necessary cover to deny he produce it in response to me. You guys all ran over here to discuss a topic I was generating as if you were afraid to do it in front of me? What is this, “Planet of the Bitches?”
    Even Heretic Phi ran over here with whiny bitch face on and said: “This is what thwack keeps complaining about.” Like he is revealing something nobody knows?
    (((shakin my head)))
    But like I said before, I ain’t mad at ya; just recognize the image translators work FOR the construct, so if I can see you, so can your enemies; and unlike me, they’ll kill ya.
    Now, where was I?
    Oh yeah, I was dealin with that ni66a playin “ring and run”:
    It’s funny how Jews, Blacks, Mestizos, Muslims, Gays, or anyone else can’t really answer these questions either. Yet they are able to organize into advocating for themselves as “coherent populations with unified interests” with tremendous efficacy. Why is it that our dreams are the only ones that are supposedly impossible because we can’t all agree on these questions?– Heretic Phi
    No dog, its not funny, its simple logic; think about it, when Jews, Blacks, Mestizos, Muslims, Gays… advocate for themselves, who do they address their demands to?
    Exactly, white people, the people IN CHARGE. The reason Black Lives Matter don’t protest in the ghetto is because there ain’t no white people there.
    “Why is it that our dreams are the only ones that are supposedly impossible because we can’t all agree on these questions?”
    Let me translate what you said and see if you can get it for yourself?
    It’s funny how prison INMATES can’t really answer these questions either. Yet they are able to organize into advocating for themselves as “coherent populations with unified interests” with tremendous efficacy. Why is it that our dreams are the only ones that are supposedly impossible because we GUARDS can’t all agree on these questions?– Heretic Phi
    get it?
    if not, go back and review the Sunic/Fraser vid I posted because they beat that question to death. Sunic kept grilling him and Fraser kept to his gunz clarifying and simplifying to the end. Sunic is under rated as a scholar and a lot of people are ducking Fraser.

    But if you try to convince them that the White race is beautiful, ingenious, or anything, they will look at you like you sacrifice kittens to Satan.
Something is WRONG with this. — Heretic Phil

    Not necessarily. When you got a good thing going, why draw unnecessary attention to it? There is only liability in such behavior. Don’t you know the first rule of white club is don’t talk about white club?
    What country you from?

    In addition, every white person knows that one day, (if they hang around long enough) they will NOT be beautiful. or ingenious… instead they will be back in the state they held when they came into this world: pale, bald, and toothless; drewling and shitting themselves…
    They kill babies don’t they?

    PS– some people consider both the term and the very concept “alt- right” to be suspect? Some white nationalists think it may be a cloak designed to dilute white nationalism into a grab bag that allows anybody to be one. I had never really thought about what the term really meant until I heard it ripped apart on Renegade broadcasting. Greg Johnson and Counter Currents Publishing? They really push the term “alt right” because it gives a legitimate voice to a bunch of faggots like them who consider homosexuals to be the natural aristocracy of the white race. So far from “settled debates”, the alt right could be nothing more than a confusion incubator.

  48. Thwack, is there any way we could interest you in learning how to use the italics or boldHTML quote? You’d be a lot easier to read.

  49. Thwack: hey Nik, you finished using my cock?
    You know Im gonna hafta start chargin you for taking credit for my work?
    You didn’t inspire shit; it was my nearly constant hammering away about the lack of a coherent white nationalist narrative on the “Good News of the Week” thread that “inspired” PA to subconsciously go into damage control mode and produce a post called “The Alt-Rights Settled Debates”

    (Sigh) Thwack, More than a week ago, PA responded to something I said with the following reply.

    “April 9, 2016 at 8:58 pm
    [The “ideological adversary” thing — certain questions were debated and settled between 2009-2012. As far as I am concerned, and many on the Alt-Right, we’ve moved on to focus on the destiny of White people, not the distracting anti-racist (however packaged) points of yesterday. Much of the ire that comes your way is the impatience of those of us who find the revisiting of certain forms of multiculturalism, blank-slatism, racial accommodationalism, White man’s burden, “be nice,” inclusiveness/tolerance-talk, and related concessions to be an irritating distraction and a hiderace to the things we want to talk about. You are failing to understand that and it comes off as either obtuse, entitled, or arrogant and it pisses people off. Alt-Right blogs are not the place where Black concerns are aired. — PA]”

    Furthermore, PA SAID TO ME THAT I WAS THE ONE WHO INSPIRED THE POST RE. ‘SETTLED ALT-RIGHT POSITIONS.’

    Think a bit more before you go into these ‘bold’ and ‘iconoclastic’ replies and contentions. First of all, is there really any worthy credit to claim here? Who inspired a post about topics that are already settled? Is that a topic that inspires authorship and bragging rights?

    But in the future, I promise to let you know when my muse fails me and I need to steal some of your insight and luster, ok?

    .

  50. But if you try to convince them that the White race is beautiful, ingenious, or anything, they will look at you like you sacrifice kittens to Satan.
Something is WRONG with this. — Heretic Phil

    Not necessarily. When you got a good thing going, why draw unnecessary attention to it? There is only liability in such behavior. Don’t you know the first rule of white club is don’t talk about white club?

    Thwack has a little bit of a point here. Plus, whites do trend towards modesty.

    Did anybody else catch it? Nikrit makes the claim, which allows PA to cosign and in doing so they split credit for the inspiration which gives PA the necessary cover to deny he produce it in response to me. You guys all ran over here to discuss a topic I was generating as if you were afraid to do it in front of me? What is this, “Planet of the Bitches?”

    LOL, just one day after you claimed to have the ego under control, here you go taking credit for something no one cares about?!! That’s mighty black of you.

    Reminds me of that old Chris Rock skit:

  51. The concept of credit-due is tricky, as you separate ideas that had become part of the vernacular from ones where you ought acknowledge their author. For example, Heartiste redefined “alpha and beta” and it’s now so ingrained in everyday speech it’s become like public domain. In contrast, VD’s scale with the “gamma” thing still feels like it needs crediting because, while derivative of CH’s, it’s less known and more systematic.

    Also, there are new words, memes, and impressions that circulate, which influence others’ thinking. For example, a lot of my posts here are a result of thinking about something a commenter wrote and then taking it a few degrees of separation away from the source, even to the point of me forgetting the original comment that sparked the thought. In such cases obviously, nobody is credited. It’s a conversation, not a chain of custody. But in cases where I am consciously using a commenter’s direct language or his original idea, I credit him.

    There is a meme that may have originated with me: the usage of “lampposts” in political settling of scores. To my knowledge, it’s never been part of English usage in that context. However, I heard it a lot as a kid in Polish when adults talked about communists. And I started using that word at Le Chateau in 2007, before things got political there. CH picked up on it and now it’s everywhere.

    By the way, I catch myself using the “settling of scores” phrase occasionally, such as above. That comes from SOBL/28 Sherman who once wrote “the 21st century will be one of deglobalization and a settling of scores.” The phrase rang well with me, so I’ve used it a number of times since.

  52. BTW, checking on comments this morning, first thing I saw was Heretic’s birthday wishes. I LOL’ed and will be in a good mood for the rest of the day as a result of that comment.

  53. Furthermore Thwack, at the start of commenting in this very thread; this exchange took place between me and our blog host

    Nikcrit April 20, 2016 at 10:03 am
    To distinguish between the legitimate revisiting of old assumptions and the distracting rehashing of old arguments.

    Hmmm. Somehow I get the feeling that some of the discussions between you(PA) and me inspired this post. lol.

    [yes — PA]

    It’s a dubious distinction, my inspiring the topic of ‘outdated arguments.’

    Why would you want to lay claim to it? More, why would he lie about it? If anything, I would think he would be compelled to put a dubious distinction on what he thinks is a dubious character: you.

    Your bluster and ego don’t even make basic, self-serving sense.
    But you neither see that nor care if you did.

  54. “you CANNOT POSIT the perfect scenario”

    I don’t. It is WN who do that, which is what all ideology does. I focus on the flaws in that ideology because, as we see per PA, one permits oneself the conclusion that matters are “settled”. I say they are not, quite far from it. If your premises are specious, your conclusions have more psychological than strategic value. Again, it’s like some asshole doctor said to me after diagnosing my disease: What part [of your body] do you most want to keep? All I say, all I’ve ever said, is that it’s up to each individual to save theirself from the times, that the grounds for this to be a “movement”, a collective action, are and have always been — totally absent.

    PA, I trust you wrote this post in tacit agreement with those who believe such definitions settled. If not, my apologies.

    “I do not have a right to exist from conception.”

    Only the very deeply depressed think this way. Literally no one else. And the fact that it’s thinkable doesn’t make it a valid proposition, anyway (unicorns eat garlic cotton candy — is that real?) I don’t think in terms of “rights”, and anyone who does, is simply mired in the moral interpretation of things. Find me one living white person who has had that thought, either explicitly or as a “feeling”, and you’ll have found a psychological exception. There is such a thing as pushing the extremism of the other side too far in one’s conception of it, very much as is done with characterizations of Trump. What you do here is push the bounds of how white people feel and think to a logically absurd point, amounting to a straw-man.

    Consider reeling it in, and at least attempting clean grammar.

  55. Speaking of midwestern Halfricans, Prince has died. About this is do not care a lick. But oh dear, the over-the-top praises for this (vastly overrated) “musical genius” are going to be up to our nose holes. It’ll be even worse than the praise storm for the (vastly overrated) David Bowie.

    I have to remember not to log in to Facebook for at least a week to avoid all the weepy cuckudile (sic) tears being shed for this musician who — let’s just say it — appropriated white musical culture at every step. But that’s allowed because “cultural appropriation” is a street that only goes one way.

  56. Actually, I think Prince had two black parents. It’s a misconception that his mother is white, probably due to “Purple Rain.”

  57. “thwack,

    According to that genius Lucius, I am you. Or a Jewish girl. ”

    –Hey Sarah, when you’re fetching around for a White Knight (of Color!) to “let’s u and him fight”, it might pay to keep the bruthas’ words and identities straight. But maybe it’s the wrong Hasbara shift for you?

    All that brain-adderalled patter, but always a little “Help, I’m drowning!” signal to start things off! Is that considered sexy where you come from?

    “Your entire is comment is biased by the presumption of man as more than homo economicus.”

    –And yet, “yo momma” jokes still rub salt. Funny creature, that economic man.

    I’ll generously allow that “entire is comment” is some sort of typo, but what sort of construction is “by the presumption of man . . . ?” That should read something like: ” . . . is based on your presumption that man is more than mere homo economicus”.

    Can’t you do even one thing right at all, (((“””uh”””)))? lozlzolz

    Dance, girl, dance!!

  58. “Actually, I think Prince had two black parents. It’s a misconception that his mother is white, probably due to “Purple Rain.””

    That’s true.

  59. “But the European spirit doesn’t do well under unmitigated surveillance and regimentation.”

    Doesn’t matter. The future isn’t about patting the soil around this delicate European spirit. It’s about declining resources and overweening human numbers pushing ever more non-whites into our living space, and surviving in such a way that life still seems worth the trouble. If that isn’t what we have now, which would be why we’re all here, then there’s no strategy in poetic phrases or theoretical misconceptions. As Wandrin used to say, “Freedom or cohesion — your choice.” I’ve had a devil of a time persuading anyone to cede ground here for reasons I’ve been over before. I guess it’s easier to stick with perfect idealizations over imperfect possibilities. I like your nostalgia, I’m the same way — but like it or not (and I don’t), the future will and must be techno-totalitarian.

  60. Suburban_elk is at the center of the mediation universe for the next 24 hours or so; say ‘hi’ to Jon Bream if you see him out and about pundit-izing

  61. I just read some localized Twin Cites coverage; interesting he was at the Dakota Jazz Club on Tuesday night, a place I referenced here several weeks ago while referencing the innovative white jazz combo Happy Apple; get out there elk; do some local foot reporting —— it’s very fishy for there not to be a ’cause of death’-attribution to the story this long after the fact for such a big star…there’s some real turf to tear through for a blogger seeking to make a name for himself…… this is a big story; peterike’s fear’s notwithstanding, this monumentous occasion will only become moreso—– already a USC professor of jazz studies said Prince was as immense a legend and innovator as Duke Ellington —– a stretch IMO but probably par for the forthcoming course.

  62. I’m inclined to hold back on the criticism of Prince. He produced, arranged and wrote everything. He taught himself to play countless instruments although he didn’t necessarily have a 1st-rank voice. Then just as he became a pop megastar he effectively from the pop world and did shows where all he did was play piano or strum guitar and play the blues. Had he wanted to he could’ve been bigger than every pop star in history, doing cameos and having guest producer appearances by everyone under the sun instead of withdrawing to his basement for months at a time to write songs and play by himself.

    Plus he never sold his music out to the bastaridization of Hip Hop sampling or advertising, AFAIK.

    And (most importantly) he stayed the hell out of politics and didn’t toe the Democratic party line like so many other musicians of less ability.

  63. — “the future will and must be techno-totalitarian.”

    Nobody knows what the future will be like. Human nature makes history cyclical. Technological progress is linear — but — the technological arms race (driven by human nature) makes technology cyclical in its effect too. There are now more cars but less smog in LA than thirty years ago. The nuclear bomb eliminated wars between major states. Nasty governments have more power to kill their own people now than 80 years ago, yet due to mass media, you can’t have Cheka mass-murdering European villages anymore — civilian pacification became stone age again, with imported Somalian apes ass-grabbing girls in Stockholm, where a club (a baseball bat and the will to swing it) disperses them.

    Yeah, there are satellites and drones, but drone operators have families in unguarded houses. The government deployed the TV for brainwashing but technology’s arms race countered it with the internet.

  64. One of the things that makes history cyclical is the decadence of the elites. By decadence I don’t just mean their moral degeneracy but also the fact that once a faction secures power it (and its mercenary classes) lose faith in their original mission and become motivated by short term opportunism. Who gives a fuck about MLK anymore? Civil rights is now desperate (BLM) or retarded (tranny bathrooms). Power is also fissile.

  65. “Plus he never sold his music out to the bastaridization of Hip Hop sampling or advertising, AFAIK.

    And (most importantly) he stayed the hell out of politics and didn’t toe the Democratic party line like so many other musicians of less ability.”

    yeah, he certainly was a black pop anomaly in that he created his own pop mythology machine; he didn’t just take the goodies that WB decided to handover; that’s pretty tough to refuse when you’re a poor boy who makes good; his contemporary peer, MJ, certainly didn’t break the mold as much. I disagree with peterike in that he was a poor singer; he was solid in the established standard of his era, contemporary R&B pipes, which he took further into crossover rock/pop, with a new market created attesting to that fact. this is a big story; Bowie and Lou Reed marked the end of the new-wave/alternative rock pioneers reign; but Prince was equally revolutionary in the pop schematics, and more commercially substantiative, too, FWIW.

  66. I liked Prince a lot. It will be interesting to see how he is eulogized.

    Growing up here, in the 80s, Prince was essentially God.

    As far as a pop musician, he had it all, the vocals, the chops, the lyrics; the looks.

    I can see how he is not to everyone’s taste, but his musical accomplishments are undeniable. His good albums, his best three or four, are albums in which every song is different (from the others).

    Also, his lyrics were evocative. When Doves Cry is some sad shit.

  67. I saw Prince in concert in 2001 and he was a whirlwind on stage. He changed costumes like crazy in between playing guitar, bass and piano on stage. Then he finished all of his classic hits and he was response was “now that all of that is out of the way I hope y’all don’t mind me playing some real music” and he proceeded to jam the blues, do acoustic and perform some unreleased material. Some people were offended. He didn’t care.

    Prince’s catalog is enormous, only a fraction of it is released. His recognized hits are only a tiny, tiny section of his known music, but lots of people act like his only releases are what you saw on MTV. He’d rather be known for pretty much everything else. If he still saw himself as a pop diva he would’ve been pimping himself on stage for the last 10 years collecting major $$ checks and performing with people like Justin Timberlake, Jay-Z , Taylor Swift and Dave Navarro. He kept his distance from rappers as well, he was reluctant to say it but if you read his comments carefully you’ll see that he had little respect for the declining artistry of hip hop, plus the corruption of lyrics as rap delved into materialism and the outlaw image.

    He also supported at least one Minnesota republican at one time, I don’t remember the details but I assume that the guy was a Jehovah’s Witness, like him. And journalists had been asking him for 30 years when he’d be leaving cold Minnesota to move his studio to California, his reply on many occasions was the the frigid weather there “keeps the bad people out.”

  68. And I don’t know quite how to phrase this properly, since I’m out of my depth discussing music and the business behind it – but Prince opposed ad-driven digital music and free downloading from the beginning. At the time a lot of people (like myself) opposed him doing that and thought he was just being a selfish old fogie. But I’m pretty sure that acts like him or Metallica foresaw the corruption that it would bring to popular music from the very beginning – and look at what we have now – commercialized, market analytics-driven or producer-driven pop with both “white” and alternative/rock music completely dead. R&B itself is little more than hip hop’s bastardized child now, as well.

  69. “Doesn’t matter. The future isn’t about patting the soil around this delicate European spirit. It’s about declining resources and overweening human numbers pushing ever more non-whites into our living space, and surviving in such a way that life still seems worth the trouble. If that isn’t what we have now, which would be why we’re all here, then there’s no strategy in poetic phrases or theoretical misconceptions . . . .”

    Sarah, I’m so pleased to see how these past weeks have brought such a tremendous change in your skillset! Once you were only gazing into your armpit ulcers and dusting the armrests for stray hints of Percocet, and now look at you! A veritable Carlyle, a Burckhardt, a–

    –No wait, you’re just a defeatist troll who thinks White men can never get around to sinking boatloads of refugees. We will. And we’ll clear Calais with maximum prejudice– just for a start. But if YOUR delicate soil is too touched, you can always settle them in the Golan Heights. Or, you know, surrender them to the rightful owner, at that!

    By the way, baby, you know you still haven’t thanked me for my exalted ballad in your honor! lozlzolz It ain’t “When Doves Cry”, but you need to add it 2 Ur Play List! Let’s rock!

    THE DEFRENESTRUASHUN OF SARAICHERIBB lozlzlz

    The JIDF came down like the wolf on the fold
    And its trolling was rolling in untruth desouled,
    And the stink of their bullshit was like foam on the pee
    When uh’s arm makes her mom go Squee Squee Squee!

    Like banknotes Bernankied when sheckels are green
    That host with their boast in AMOGing were keen;
    Like you lose with Cruz ere QE hath blown
    To her sorrow the morrow saw Sarah alone.

    For a Great Books ac’lyte turned his eye to the breeze
    And saw uh at all’s throat or else at their knees
    So he sniped the slight bit of the twit’s limp wit
    Exposing her posing and her hardened k*k* clit.

    And there lay the troll with her sexholes gaped wide
    But the pride of the Huwhite she could not gain inside
    For our loam’s not on loan to non-Aryan babe bits
    So the bitch was compelled to strum her fat slits

    And there lay the fattie mouthbreathing and frail
    With a baguette on her brow and her breath all stale
    And the comments were silent, the likes unclicked,
    The pencils were staggered, for this dick’s a chick.

    And the minders of Soros are all in the tank
    And the ADL bundlers ran under the bank
    And the wit of the Gentile, sharp’r than Shebrew nail
    Hath unmasked at last the next chateau Shemale!

    –Now don’t go all “party over, oops, outta time” on us sweetie! DANCE for me, Sarah

  70. uh
    ‘“I do not have a right to exist from conception.”

    Only the very deeply depressed think this way. Literally no one else. And the fact that it’s thinkable doesn’t make it a valid proposition, anyway (unicorns eat garlic cotton candy — is that real?) I don’t think in terms of “rights”, and anyone who does, is simply mired in the moral interpretation of things. Find me one living white person who has had that thought, either explicitly or as a “feeling”, and you’ll have found a psychological exception.’

    Here. I have always struggled to believe the rightness of my place in the world. I’m attracted to National Socialism because Duty gives us all a place. I don’t want to be a part of a society that doesn’t want me. I demand a path to my place at the table. Even if I have to napalm the table and build another one.

    Alas, I was born male. Nature and society doesn’t give us intrinsic value; this we must create for ourselves. If Lucius is right about you being female, I suppose you wouldn’t understand never having been valued “just for being you”.

  71. I’m a bit like Camlost in being out of my depth on music (other than my lil self-taught guitar hobby) but I appreciate Prince’s music and his I guess image, you could call it. Not exactly keeping up with him, I nevertheless had an impression of artistic and personal integrity. His music on the whole (at least the hits I am familiar with) aren’t my thing but the song “Purple Rain” is sublime to my non-expert judgment on multiple levels. The outro with those otherworldly falsetto vocals is one of my favorites.

    I share Peterike’s cynical bracing for fools on Facebook outdoing each other in the ostentatious mourning.

    Is there a famous person whose passing I took with a sense of personal loss? Prince a little, given his qualities as described by Camlost. And Cobain, for personal and circumstantial reasons I may get to some other time.

    Purple is my favorite color, BTW.

  72. Lucius — nice work man! It’s got meter, it’s got rhyme, it’s got juicy imagery and a sense of comedy AND urgency. As it goes with poems, one must slow down, read it slowly and sound the words out in his head to appreciate the effect.

    I’ve had a shitlord-themed draft for a post for a while now. Got the story line, got the imagery, but I’ve been trying to write it as a sonnet and it’s sat there, stalled, for months.

  73. I’m attracted to National Socialism because Duty gives us all a place.

    My instincts go “Right-Populist”, which is what I called my views before “alt-Right” became a word. It’s a similar orientation. It’s based on a vertical, organic social organization, that has a place for a criminal class, working class, middle class, and natural aristocracy within a single national family, all with mutual loyalty and obligation. One thing I instinctively react against is centralized control over a society.

  74. Hey, thanks PA!

    But forgive me for being rushed, I just wanted to remind “Sarah” she needs to call her buddy Wrong Side of History, because over at heartiste he says he hasn’t seen her in a while! lolzlz

    I know you probably friendzoned Wrong Side, Sarah, and that’s way harsh. Maybe you could give him a handjob or something just for having your back all the time– I mean, if that wouldn’t be too “ouroborosian” (as you once put it) for you?

    You “guys” (pro-tip: you two really need to quit skimming past the parts where we tell you calling men “guys” is passé. Or maybe this is just a deliberate passive-aggressive thing you guys do?) I think could make a really cute couple.

    Sure, Sarah is hugely verbose and self-pitying, while Wrong Side of History is more like a Zen master if a Zen master’s koans had absolutely no content and served no purpose except to tap people on the shoulder and dude-bro them like he’s your friend even though apparently he’s always miffed with every thing the Alt-Right does and everything the Alt-Right says?

    But like, you guys are SO SYMPATICO! I mean, it’s almost CREEPY lozlzozlzolz

    Anyway, not to try PA’s patience but I wrote Wrong Side of History a romantical little effusion just to give him encouragement to act on his feelingz so ok here we go!!! lozlzol

    And did those trolls in ancient time,
    Stalk upon heartiste’s comments keen,
    And was the Holy Book of God
    Not used to unmask trollers green?

    And did Wrong Side’s gratuitous N-bombs
    Dropped where none had used them
    Serve the antifa’s agency of harm
    By misdirection the Alt-Right to confuse ‘em?

    Bring Wrong Side his Fascist forearm!
    Bring Wrong Side his failed satire!
    By interference lubed for the j00s
    Let Wrong Side be impaled on his true desire!

    I will not cease from mental fight
    Nor shall my pen sleep in my hand
    Till we’ve erected Heartistesalem
    In our White and troll-free land.

  75. I’m taking in some of the post-Prince spin and punditry; i see Cam’s favorite pop pundit, Toure, is getting new life as he’s getting chauferred around midtown to punditize at the cable-and-entertainment-news stations. He may even get a second Prince book out of all this! lol!

  76. thwack
    “Even Heretic Phi ran over here with whiny bitch face on and said: “This is what thwack keeps complaining about.” Like he is revealing something nobody knows?”

    Funny how I don’t need to insult you to feel better about myself. Wait, Dog, that’s not funny, it’s simple logic. Think about it.

    “No dog, its not funny, its simple logic; think about it, when Jews, Blacks, Mestizos, Muslims, Gays… advocate for themselves, who do they address their demands to?
    Exactly, white people, the people IN CHARGE. The reason Black Lives Matter don’t protest in the ghetto is because there ain’t no white people there.”

    What am I, all your fucking nannies?

    Since the plan is for there to be no Whites, I wonder who they plan on addressing their demands then?

    “It’s funny how prison INMATES can’t really answer these questions either. Yet they are able to organize into advocating for themselves as “coherent populations with unified interests” with tremendous efficacy. Why is it that our dreams are the only ones that are supposedly impossible because we GUARDS can’t all agree on these questions?– Heretic Phi
    get it?”

    No I don’t get it. Because prison inmates don’t “unite” very well but prison guards do. Last I checked. And as I don’t rule your black ass it is in no way a valid comparison. How am I holding you in prison? If blacks want escape from me, where can I go to be away from blacks? Where can white children go that they won’t be used as meat to redistribute among black and brown kids to make their schools better? Oh, wait, nowhere. It’s US who are in the PRISON of multiculturalism that WE want out of but will be shot for trying to escape, because we only exist to make nice places for browns to invade.

    That Fraser video is really loooong and boring and tiresome. I don’t really agree with much that Fraser says, except that WASPS are a unique interest group that is unique culturally and historically from other Whites. All it is to me is proof that we have all the diversity we need. If there’s anything specifically you would like me to address please give me a timestamp and I’ll check it out.

    “Not necessarily. When you got a good thing going, why draw unnecessary attention to it? There is only liability in such behavior. Don’t you know the first rule of white club is don’t talk about white club?
    What country you from?”

    A good thing going? What, our displacement and destruction and genocide by demographic engineering? What good thing? Our independence, our sovereignty, our identity? Our enemies seem to be drawing all sorts of attention to the “white club” for it’s (our) eradication.

    Fundamentally, I guess lemmings believe the hate spewed against our people. Because they don’t fundamentally believe in the right to exist from conception. I’ve never been part of any “White club”. But I’ll be destroyed if I try to make one.

    All the rhetoric against nationalists is about “stopping hatred.” But it’s not hatred of the other that is really what’s taboo – it’s disbelief in self-hatred – denying the hatred of one’s own kind – but only if you’re White.

    Donald Trump can say many of the Mexican immigrants are “rapists”, lots of Muslims are “terrorists”, but he can’t say that Whites are… well, ANYTHING positive. At all. Why?

  77. What you are saying is that white identity is irrelevant, as we are mere cogs in a globalized capitalist system, a system that in the near future will strain and eventually collapse under the weight of billions of people demanding scarce resources; and that any notion of identity – white or otherwise – will be crushed under the wheel of this economy. It’s a grim scenario to contemplate. I however strongly condemn this “homo economicus” conception of man. It is the same false conclusion that Marx made, that history and destiny is merely a function of resource allocation. Marxism or capitalism simply can not account for the infinite refractions of human consciousness, aspirations and achievements. What inspired Socrates to contemplate his shadow on the cave wall? What propelled Paul traverse the Mediterranean world to spread the Gospels thus laying the foundation of the Holy Roman Empire? Whether or not you believe it was divinely inspired, it was most certainly not about money. Furthermore you fail to account for future breakthroughs (this is what nikcrit keeps saying) that will most certainly be invented by white people, that will push humanity forward. For instance, I see one possibility on the horizon – those clever Germans are very close to building a cold fusion reactor. If it is successful and scalable, we could be looking at a future of limitless clean energy.

  78. Prince is one of my favorite musicians. I was tuned into him during my few years living in Minneapolis but sadly never had a chance to see him live (his tickets were always sold to his fan club first, I think). His androgynous persona is a characteristic of many great artists. His death underscores the seriousness of the opioid epidemic in this country.

  79. Something I like to occasionally bring up is that it is actually far less taboo for Whites to put down others, e.g. non-whites, Muslims, ect., than it is to uplift ourselves. . . . .I’ve never been part of any “White club”. But I’ll be destroyed if I try to make one.

    Very true. They are terrified we will go our own way and leave them back in the stone age. Listen to the speech given by Richard Spencer “Why Do They Hate Us”

    http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2015/4/23/why-do-they-hate-us

    Why do they hate us?

    Secretly—and gradually not-so-secretly—our enemies are giddy imagining a world without us, just as so many Whites embrace their own oblivion. White guilt is the foundational morality of the global transformation we are now experiencing, what could be called The Great Erasure. It is a transformation of a world created and once dominated by Europeans into a world that features many European shapes and forms—democracy, feminism, free love, iPhones—but which is a world without Europeans in it.

    In other words, “Sit down and let us abolish you.”

    Opposing this coming world—and offering alternatives to it—is the mission of our movement.

    In order to achieve this—in order to learn to fight again—we must rise and greet the dawn with a clear conscience.

  80. I feel like I’m surrounded by fucking SJWs when I look at my Twitter TL and its 98% idiots whining about Tubman on the new $20

    It would be more fitting to put Tubman on the $5 dollar bill, because that is their median net worth: 5 bucks. While we’re at it, let’s put MLK on the all EBT cards.

  81. Heretic Phi: .I’ve never been part of any “White club”. But I’ll be destroyed if I try to make one.

    MGE: Very true. They are terrified we will go our own way and leave them back in the stone age……..Secretly—and gradually not-so-secretly—our enemies are giddy imagining a world without us, just as so many Whites embrace their own oblivion.”

    I hear this a lot and agree with the perception that there is white resentment. But if there is terror at the thought of whites leaving the rest of humanity in the stone age then why would anyone want a ‘world without whites?’

    For my part, I’m in fact terrified by the thought of white erasure.

    His death underscores the seriousness of the opioid epidemic in this country.

    Very depressing; i woke up for a bit and tuned into some of the all-night tributes and reports ar filtering in, confirming my immediate but worst fear for this situation: yet another fuckin’ grim reaping junk trip; i cannot tell you how many friends and friends-of-friends i’ve seen succumb to that shit, street or pharmaceutical in form; when Narcon first came out i thought it might be some sort of salvation —— but now i think people just up-the-ante riskwise thinking they have some catchall comeback and salvation.
    Well, if it couldn’t save someone with Prince’s means and access to precautions and hundreds of other advantages, it may just be a wash in its ‘aggregate’ effect.

  82. MGE | April 21, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    “HP – sorry I linked to the transcript, not the speech. Here is the correct link”

    Yeah I watched that speech on the AMren channel last year. Richard Spencer is an inspiring young leader. He’s the type of guy who makes me embarrassed to be hiding behind my keyboard on the interwebz and want to get out and meet real people. It’s just that awful need to keep a job and pay my gargantuan student loan debt is all. Shit! Why the fuck am I such…
    Damn it.

  83. PA:
    “My instincts go “Right-Populist”, which is what I called my views before “alt-Right” became a word. It’s a similar orientation. It’s based on a vertical, organic social organization, that has a place for a criminal class, working class, middle class, and natural aristocracy within a single national family, all with mutual loyalty and obligation. One thing I instinctively react against is centralized control over a society.”

    But we know how that song goes. Aristocracies are “natural” for a few generations in the Spring and Summer of a civilization, and then they become entrenched and weaponize the criminal class to exploit the working class and undermine the middle. We must share a destiny together or our class interests will divide us again and again. There needs to be something to unite and arbitrate the classes for the good of all of us. May I presume you’re aware of Rockwell’s chapter, “The Shipwreckers”? I would argue that the djooze are just exploiting a weakness that was already there.

    This was a big part of what made the German experiment successful within Germany – it’s focus on peace between classes. The model of “equality” had been a useful tool created by enlightenment thinkers in describing why society owed all of it’s constituents justice and fairness. But it was flawed in that it was false. Not even the most brainwashed SJW really believes that a street junkie is “equal” to a medical doctor. The rejection of Equality allowed for a more philosophically sound reason for mutual cooperation and beneficence to take hold – shared Racial Destiny.

    I’ve never been “right” or “conservative” anything. I was a “leftist” growing up in the ’90’s. I was affiliated with pro-marijuana legalization activist groups when I was still in foster care. I was “pro-gay” but that was at a time where homos had legitimate complaints. Basically as an adolescent I was willing to stand up for the idea that it wasn’t the state’s or anyone’s business if I wanted to smoke a joint and/or suck a dick if I wasn’t teaching this behavior to schoolchildren, because it didn’t harm anyone else. And it got me kicked out of Care and made me homeless.

    I knew I was smarter than most people, but I was totally fatherless so I didn’t have the skills to fix or build anything. Or fight, or play sports. I couldn’t fix a lawnmower or catch a ball to save my life but I was a whiz in science class. An “education” was actually the only sensible route for me compared to most people.

    To me a “conservative” was someone half my intelligence who thought that they should go to college and I should flip their hamburgers because I was 16 and sleeping under a log in the park, but they had a stable middle-class family to grease all the skids for them. A “right winger” was someone who was my inferior but thought they were better than me because I was born into unfortunate circumstances.

    I didn’t realize at that time actually most of the people who hated me and wanted to keep me down because I was poor (and White, and male) were actually leftists. That most “conservatives” were working class.

    Later when in college I started digging to find out what motivated all of this hatred against my race and I found out what the “Race Problem” was from the horse’s mouth, I went into a sort of transitional phase. Within a few months I went from Socialist to National Socialist.

    What’s interesting in retrospect, is….

    how little of what I believe actually changed.

  84. It is weird that both Bob Dylan and Prince were from Minnesota.

    Dylan despised being from Minnesota, at least when he was young. He would say that he was from someplace else.

    Prince on the other hand, seemed to incorporate it into ‘who he was’.

    Both those guys are GIANTS on the scale of popular art and music. Quadruple-A or whatever, the very highest ranking, and even at that rank they have an affixed plus (+).

    And both those guys men were very different from the people they were surrounded by. And also they both came from a time back before everywhere was the sameplace.

    Purple Rain (the movie) tries and captures a little bit that elusive essence of place. Minneapolis and Saint Paul where Prince was from was a River town with a black community not entirely separated from their people downstream.

    I don’t know that anyone can say that that is all gone now: but that is all gone now and the world is “one bland place”.

  85. a time where homos had legitimate complaints

    Speaking of homos, how disappointing that Bruce Springsteen, FORMERLY known as the Boss, has ‘come out’ in favor of trans in the little girls room.

    How disconnected from reality does one have to be, to not have a realistic assessment on that issue?

    I can’t really square that. A lot of people are pointing out that the liberal coalition is over-reaching there.

    It just goes to show that the momentum of all this bureaucracy and media, is not only separated from, but in its essence is in opposition to, human nature the Natural World.

    Hey Bruce, no one is advocating that gays be thrown off buildings or anything mean like that.

  86. It is a transformation of a world created and once dominated by Europeans into a world that features many European shapes and forms—democracy, feminism, free love, iPhones—but which is a world without Europeans in it.

    All of these things that you mentioned will decay or disappear in proportion to how much those of European descent decline in numbers. They cannot be sustained by others.

    Dylan despised being from Minnesota, at least when he was young. He would say that he was from someplace else.

    Didn’t Bob Dylan always claim to be from New Mexico?

  87. I’m not a big fan of this new term “alt-right”. Because it draws a circle around the wrong spot.

    I’ve always believed that Nationalism’s failure is due to targeting the “Right” instead of the “Left”.

    A “Rightist” is someone who is a realist, who is motivated by fear of losing what he has, who want’s to keep things the way they are because he is afraid of the negative impact of change. Who respects authority, and tradition, and fears and distrusts the alien and new. But someone who cherishes what he has, someone who can be relied upon by his community, someone who is not likely to be fooled by charlatans. The fabric of his society, the upholder of moral and cultural standards.

    A “Leftist” is someone who is a dreamer, who is motivated by wanting to make the world a better place. Who wants to explore and experiment and change things because we must adapt. Who must seek out problems and solve them. But someone who is often fooled and led astray by nonsense and who is overly affected by emotional manipulation. Someone who can be easily seduced by lies.

    It is understandable why Nationalists came almost exclusively from the “Right” up until, say, 2008. And why it was doomed to failure until then for the same reason.

    Put it this way.

    A “Conservative” is someone who knows what is the right but is too chicken shit to stand up for it.

    A “Liberal” is someone who has bought into a false religion of hatred and lies (Political Correctness) but is willing to fight to the death to achieve what they believe is right. And even as their fantasies crumble around them, they keep continuing to believe in their insane vision because no one has offered them a better one.

    So, who do we need to get shit done here? I mean really. Come on, guys.

  88. For Liberals, we are asking them to disbelieve what they have been taught and believe in a new vision.

    For conservatives, we are asking them to change their fundamental natures from being reactionaries to being visionaries.

    It looks like conservatives have a shorter distance to travel, because they are more likely to understand and easier to get through to. But which change is going to be more successful in the long run?

    The answer is this:

    More free shit for special interest groups and anti-White misandrist propaganda and artificial quotas cannot make racial inequality and discrimination and hatred go away.

    But a homogeneous nation can.

    Endless bureaucrats and regulations and an ever expanding government cannot deter the powerful from preying on the vulnerable. A parasitic lawyer class sucking the wealth out of the nation cannot create justice and fairness.

    But a shared racial destiny can.

    Welfare and no-fault divorce and judgement-free abortion cannot stop children born to irresponsible women from growing up with huge social disadvantages.

    But a Lebensborn can.

    Fashionable environmentalism and hipster protestors drinking out of paper Starbucks cups cannot stand up to vested corporate interests to stop our forests from being destroyed, or restructure our society to make it sustainable and less wasteful and dependent on oil. But, where the land belongs to OUR children,

    an empowered State founded on the principle of Blood and Soil can.

    Teaching children that “we are all equal” does not stop them from excluding the ugly kid and picking on the weak kid and teasing the dumb kid. Because propaganda and feel-good lies cannot make us all beautiful and healthy and brilliant, so that no one has to feel defective or unwanted.

    But Eugenics can.

    Flooding our “magic dirt” with aliens cannot reduce hunger and suffering and war in the third world by giving up our people’s living space.

    But a united White Race… could.

    When a Socialist becomes a Nationalist, that’s exactly what you get. When the castrated White Bernie supporters discover that the browns and feminists never respected them and don’t need them anymore, that’s when shit gets interesting.

    I, Neo-Nazi, have everything Liberals want all wrapped up in a shiny package with a swastika on top.

    The Professor-Priests of Political Correctness offer our youth Shame, Fear, and Oblivion.

    I offer them Hope, Glory, and Destiny.

    And that, my friends, is why we’re going to win.
    😉

  89. I’ve always believed that Nationalism’s failure is due to targeting the “Right” instead of the “Left”.

    Nationalism was never going to come from the left in the USA. As a country we were too successful, too powerful, too big and therefore strongly invested in the system. However, if you didn’t like something about that system you didn’t have to challenge it – you moved west or south, found some land of your own and ran things your way locally. Land ownership is still one of the key differences between the American right and the right in Europe – successful whites in the USA have always owned land and felt tied to it in a way that is very specifically American. Our right of prior generations didn’t even feel the need to make English our official language, a simple which could’ve saved a few minor headaches now.

    And now leftism in America is composed of a huge, predictable voting block of NAM’s, single white women, gays and rootless cosmopolitans, even though the country is still around 75% white. They surely aren’t going to embrace nationalism.

  90. Heretic: — “we only exist to make nice places for browns to invade.”

    Lawrence Auster hammered on that. He described the liberal worldview of Whites as substance-less beings capable of either being angels who do nice things for coloreds or devils who are racist. Coloreds in this cosmology are beings with no moral agency, whose purpose is to serve as material for Whites on which to work out our moral struggle (ie. being nice vs being racist.)

    Needless to say, I reject any version of that worldview, even in its mild forms, wholefuckingheartedly. Just reading Heretic’s line above starts to make me angry. That is an example why Anti-Racism is the most dehumanizing ideology ever concocted by the Ultra-Parasite’s brain. Examples of how this so pervasively plays out in life. You can imagine a Black household in a White neighborhood; they aren’t noisy and don’t cause problems BUT — their mere presence knocks a fraction off everyone else’s property values on that street (a significant portion to the properties immediately next door) while the Black residents consume the social capital of those very same neighbors. In concept, the mere sight of a Black kid in a White neighborhood leaving his bike outside overnight can be illustrative of our cosmic cucking. It’s a flaunting of that household’s devouring of our high-trust environment while if a few more were to move in, we’d have to put bars over all of our windows. Countess other such examples. Indian immigrants owning our coffee shop chains via SBA loans, plopping their Ganges asses in our intimate community space. I could go on and keep listing examples.

    America has turned into a dystopian shithole, even in my own observation since the early 80s, a time that in retrospect seems as though an equilibrium/compromise has been settled bewteen White Lebensraum and the integration push. The insipid smiley face that’s been slapped on this farce of a political system it is wearing away now and is about to fall off.

  91. Shakin mah mothafuggin haid: a White cuck cop pulls over a Black who was driving his kid without a child seat and instead of giving him a ticket, BUYS him a child seat. There is some media photo-op of them later hugging. Need I elucidate why I’m puking into my toilet right now? America has become an acid-trip in a carnival mirror funhouse.

    http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/127528799-story

  92. “All of these things that you mentioned will decay or disappear in proportion to how much those of European descent decline in numbers. They cannot be sustained by others.”

    I pretty much agree, which explains why I believe that it’s foolhardy to wish for ‘a world without whites.” …… y’know, I won’t rehash it, but this sort-of racially interdependent need-and/or-burden is what inspired me to come up with the debated theory in your “No” post.

    Dylan despised being from Minnesota, at least when he was young. He would say that he was from someplace else.

    “Didn’t Bob Dylan always claim to be from New Mexico?”

    No, or if he did it was just one among many places he claimed to have been from. Elk is correct in that Dylan seemed to be somewhat embarrassed by his humble Hibbing roots; what's egregious to me is the way he publicly disclaimed his family. But what's also relative here is that Dylan was creating his mythology in a sort-of traveling hobo minstrel folklore that no longer really exists; his idol was Woody Guthrie; the romanticism involved hopping train-freight cars and strumming impromptu ballads —- a sorta 1930's populist-rural socialism to counter the effect of the Great Depression. Dylan, in various chronicled moments, also claimed to have: traveled with a circus; was born on an Indian reservation; rode train freight cars out west for several years; lived in Mexico, etc. In truth, he was just another middle-class white Jewish kid from the hinterlands whose first move from home was in the Twin Cities to attend the University of Minnesota.

    I've always been intrigued by Minnesota's fame pedigree: Dylan, particularly Hibbing: one small town produced Dylan, Former Boston Celtic Kevin McHale and the late Charles Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi.

  93. “Shakin mah mothafuggin haid:”

    Would your apoplexy be any less intense if the ‘struggling dad’ and the altruistic police officer were both either white or black?

    [Yes. — PA]

  94. “It’s a flaunting of that household’s devouring of our high-trust environment while if a few more were to move in, we’d have to put bars over all of our windows.”

    But is that so literally true? To the extreme you offer to exemplify? Or is that hyperbole, however much understandably so?

    I mean, i was sorta surprised when you told me how you were familiar with the neighborhoods and residents of Prince George’s County; i.e., that you were familiar and even a bit conversant with the D.C. area’s burgeoning middle-class.

    [on the microscale, moneyed Blacks in this region range from pleasant and smart people to primitive single mother ‘boons in the employ of the fed gov. PG county has a certain legend about it but most of it is the usual sprawling suburban ghetto, with just a few upscale Black neighborhoods. I don’t live in that county but my sense is that much of its cachet dates back a few decades. Moneyed Blacks prefer NOVA or other Maryland counties. On the macro scale, my ‘hyperbole’ is a straightforward illustration of the one-way burden that Whites are saddled with. The whole arrangement is invisible like water to fish when you’re used to it but at historic perspective or simply at closer thought it’s a hideous, murderous oppression. — PA]

    And while I could see how those residents could pique your social senses and theoretical positions, I could see you conversant and respectful toward such folk on a neighborhood level; i.e., i could imagine you making domestic truce with such folk, in the sense that you there’d be enough mutual respect to not have to worry about petty thievery amongst neighbors, etc.

    I just don’t get the ‘fealty based SOLELY on race’ aspect; perhaps I don’t because I don’t have such division from the ‘genetic get-go,’ so to speak. Maybe that’s the qualifying component to having such a view, even if it’s currently latent.

  95. What’s a hinterland? Next thing you’ll be telling me that Kansas isn’t in the midwest lol.

    I’ve seen at least one interview with Dylan where he claimed to have grown up off route 66 in New Mexico as a child. But, like you said, a quick google search seems to show him claiming to be from lots of places, but never Minnesota. Maybe it wasn’t exotic or cool enough?

    When I was in Missouri
    They would not let me be
    I had to leave there in a hurry
    I only saw what they let me see

    He surely couldn’t have lived in every place he’s sung about, that’s for sure.

  96. Instead of continuing on with giving him a ticket for tinted windows AND for not having his daughter properly strapped in, Scaglione told LaVonte to follow him to Walmart.

    The two of them must have been quite a sight. LaVonte, a black man covered in tats, and a white police officer walking through the aisle together. As LaVonte puts it, you would have thought they were best friends.

    He’s got money for tats and tint but not a baby seat. That’s mighty black of him.

    And on his hilariously typical Facebook page he brags about his Air Jordans, too.

    Would your apoplexy be any less intense if the ‘struggling dad’ and the altruistic police officer were both either white or black?

    The difference is that white men/fathers tend to have a sense of shame about being this needy, but black men are completely fine with it. Before 1990 the MSM wouldn’t have run an idiotic tidbit like this – these things are symptomatic of the Africanization/hyper-feminization of our society – personal responsibility being cast aside for feel-good stories about how it takes a village.

  97. “Before 1990 the MSM wouldn’t have run an idiotic tidbit like this – these things are symptomatic of the Africanization/hyper-feminization of our society – personal responsibility being cast aside for feel-good stories about how it takes a village.”

    Yeah, i don’t like it, either; i see the effects of kids having their selfish, conceited personal interests and me-first attitudes condoned and reinforced by the media and govt.

    How can you win over such forces? I try to convince these kids, who generally trust and like me, that they’re biggest concern is NOT rabidly racist and homicidal police officers—- which, when you get down to it, is the meme that the officer in babyseat story is reacting to.

  98. How can you win over such forces? I try to convince these kids, who generally trust and like me, that they’re biggest concern is NOT rabidly racist and homicidal police officers—- which, when you get down to it, is the meme that the officer in babyseat story is reacting to.

    Well, underclass kids who believe such things just aren’t being parented very well, they’ve got no home training so you’re not likely to inspire them to unlearn all their bad habits in your 45 minutes a week with them. Bad parenting often consists of leaving kids idle to have their heads filled with craziness that they hear from other kids, from TV or other adults. In an ideal situation those kids would have parents at home whooping their backsides and telling them that the only thing they need to worry about is keeping their mouth shut, following teachers’ directions and getting the right grades…

  99. I don’t have a problem with what the police officer did, it’s not like he gave him drugs.

    It won’t be long before the lawsuits start rolling in due to haphazard enforcement of the baby seat law, somebody 5 states away will claim that they’re being singled out since this LaVonte guy didn’t get a ticket but they did.

  100. Having to use a car seat is going to make this man work harder to take care of his daughter. Yes, he should have bought it himself, but I still see it as a good thing. Forcing lazy people to do things right is good. Especially, when they need to put in the effort.

  101. Would your apoplexy be any less intense if the ‘struggling dad’ and the altruistic police officer were both either white or black?

    I also have a problem with it because blacks are always complaining about how their singled out for DWB. (driving while black) But this is a typical situation showing that they show a constant tendency to never have their shit together – license, insurance, registration and baby seat.

    [additional reason why that cop was irresponsibe: ghetto Blacks’ fear of the police keeps many of them behaving with some semblance of respect for the law or for others. But if they start getting ideas into day haids that cops are teddy bears who reward your irresponsibility with buying you things… well, imagine the 80-IQ noggin processing that. ALSO: they aren’t going to respect a huggy teddy bear cop, making the inevitable future TNB front of a cop result in another Dindu Nuffin lying dead on the asphalt and another officer’s life destroyed. — PA]

  102. OT: couldn’t resist posting this link; i’m sure you fellas can decipher the intent behind this former DNC chairman’s Governor’s executive order, no?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/governor-terry-mcauliffe-virginia-voting-rights-convicted-felons.html?ribbon-ad-idx=3&src=trending&module=Ribbon&version=context&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Trending&pgtype=article

    RE: DWB; I have to admit, i’ve played the current zeitgeist to my advantage in such situations; I know that a lot of cops, especially younger ones, don’t like the taint of being considered racist or biased toward blacks —– so, whenever I’m stopped, which has been for speeding in the 1–20 over range or pulling a rolling stop through a stop sign, without shame I just become incredibly polite and contrite and so far have been let go with a warning.

    “But this is a typical situation showing that they show a constant tendency to never have their shit together – license, insurance, registration”

    Yet in fact, I bet that’s unnecessary, because when the cop runs my license and learns that everything in terms of license, insurance, registration and —- more than anything —- no outstanding warrants, they have this look of surprised content on their faces and are almost apologetic for having stopped me, before sending me on my way. lol!!

  103. The current push to restore voting rights to felons is just pandering to the black vote,plain and simple. I’ve heard the DNC run ads on black radio stations telling voters that they should pressure their representatives to repeal laws barring felons from voting.

    Those laws against Felons voting are set at the state level, not federal. Not every state handles it equally.

    No other ethnic group besides blacks clamors for these laws to be overturned. Whites and Asians have too much shame to ask for it, and Latinos don’t care enough about voting to make it an issue.

  104. FWIW, PA’s agitated bold-faced footnote replies to various commenters have been very amusing to read in recent weeks; something about you, when your annoyance-level is high, so goes your rhetorical concision and wit, which in sum IMO renders especially enjoyable commentary; i.e., added touches such as “80-IQ noggins” and “day haids,” add a sorta dark-comic tone to remarks you intend to be somber and rightly so.

  105. There is only one way to describe the event that is this “pig purchase baby seat for nigger” and that is a false flag of the most degenerate mind. Because “we” are post-Liberation, it is the default assumption that all “feel-good” stories are in reality throughly infused with degeneracy. This manufactured story ACTUALLY turns a cop into a pig and a black male into a nigger. The totality of their mutual action is simply RADICAL AUTONOMY. The sum effect of this false flag is the subtle allowance of cops to be pigs and black males to be niggers and the healthy-minded white man must just stand silent in agreement. Pigs and niggers GET TO RUN A LITTLE MORE WILD TODAY and the healthy-minded white man is a little less free.

  106. Uh… When you says you don’t think in terms of “rights” THEN are you saying you reject your mother’s “right” to have aborted you? Or, even with your high IQ, you just cannot think about the “right” to exist from conception or your mother’s “right” to have aborted *you* at co conception.

    Does it makes sense that the highest IQ “white” males, sensitive to an existential crisis, have never pondered something so basically relevant? As “anti-feminists?” As believers in the “right” to own property?

    If you do not believe in your right to existence from conception THEN you are a self-annihilator. This is a claim that one rejects as false or accepts as truth. I accept the above as truth and therefore those who are self-annihilators should have their freedom minimized with extreme prejudice. What do you think?

  107. Heretic Phi…

    Clearly, both the “conservative” and the “liberal” reside in the mind of the high IQ “white” male. That he can give an accounting of this dichotomous “worldview” further suggests a “third way” in which one can objectively analyze the above dual mindsets. Some might call this the alt-rite.

    The reality is that you simply have not come to a firm conclusion on genuine wS. And although all the “enemies” with any historical knowledge would cite Rockwell a “white supremacist,” he never claimed such a label for himself AS HE WAS genuinely “national socialist,” ie., AGAINST white Supremacy… For an “equality” amongst whites AND STILL AGAINST the greatest of spirited white warriors leading the charge. This is the PRICE OF EQUALITY no matter the demographic makeup. This just is the cost of anti-white Christianity. “We” already have “national socialism” and you are suggesting making the betrayal that much more acute by ridding the scene of brown to which so many “white” socialists draw cover. Ok.

  108. Various comments.

    Car seat episode. I see Indian and Arab and (((Russian))) types driving with kids not in car seats all the time. They just don’t care. More flipping the bird to the nation that let them in.

    A “Leftist” is someone who is a dreamer, who is motivated by wanting to make the world a better place. Who wants to explore and experiment and change things because we must adapt.

    Mmmm, mebbe. A Leftist is a vainglorious fool who is obsessed with showing you that he’s better than you are, in every possible moral dimension. That’s why modern Leftism is so Jewish. It’s all one-upmanship and status whoring. That’s why the combination of Leftism and social media has been so toxic. Leftism also contains a massive dose of self-destruction, the ideology of suicide. This is typically Christian Leftism, as Lefty Christians have fully incorporated the Jewish command of “Kill thyself.”

    Dylan and Prince as “equals.” HAH!!

    Part of Dylan’s very nice poem about Hibbing.

    I am still runnin’ I guess
    but my road has seen many changes
    for I’ve served my time as a refugee
    in mental terms an’ in physical terms
    an’ many a fear has vanished
    an’ many an attitude has fallen
    an’ many a dream has faded
    an’ I know I shall meet the snowy North
    again-but with changed eyes nex’ time ’round
    t’ walk lazily down its streets
    an’ linger by the edge of town
    find old friends if they’re still around
    talk t’ the old people
    an’ the young people
    runnin’ yes . . .

    but stoppin’ for a while
    embracin’ what I left
    an’ lovin’ it-for I learned by now
    never t’ expect
    what it cannot give me

  109. Dylan and Prince as “equals.” HAH!!

    I recall a thread back at 28SHERMAN in which we were weighing in on some sorta cliche hypothetical like ‘if you could take only one artist’s recordings to a deserted desert isle, which one would it be?’, and you replied, handsdown,”Bob Dylan ‘ That shocked me, cuz it seemed to be so at odds with your unpretentious, man-on-the-street common-sense conservatism (or at least as the impression gives from your online avatar, of course); i think of Dylan as the antithesis of the kind of pop figure you’d be intrigued by.

    Then there’s the whole quasi-cultism of the man himself, which is outright creepy at times IMO —– some half-assed Grateful Dead-lik pedestalizing combined with a goofy Jim-Jones-like follow-the-leader stupefecation; i recall very vividly reviewing Dylan at this 2500-seat theater show in the mid 90s, and directly behind me was this sorta aging Brooklyn-accented former-hippie type dude, who kept bellowing idiotic fan platitudes like, “It is a privilege to sit before ya, Bobby? We are blessed to be in your presence, Bobby! It is a fukin’ prihhvileeege, sir!” and i was just overwhelmed with contempt once i realized his behavior wasn’t part of some larger joke.

    And to be clear, i’m no Dylan hater; in fact, i once was very intrigued by him, in middle-school; the whole Lord Byron-like, charismatic visionary troubadour schtick appealed to my middle-and-early-high-school vanity and persona. But IMO such a pop mythology doesn’t age well, as there’s nothing worse than a commercial, second-tier “Dylan-like’ artist.

    Peterike, did you ever hear of the famous verbal battles between Dylan and the infamous Jewish writer and ‘garbologist,’ A.J. Weberman? The latter was a 60s-Marxist radical who formed his rightist conspiracy theories by studying the actual personal garbage of powerful pop and political figures, a la Dylan and Richard Nixon, amongst others. in 1970, Dylan was still accessible enough to the public to countenance guys like Weberman and be concerned about th loopy-ass things such nuts would write, so he actually argued with the guy, some of said arguments existing now in tape and were made into a LP, buttressed by pop-punk songs writtn by fellow NY cult nutball, David Peel.

    Check it out:

  110. Camlost
    Thwack, is there any way we could interest you in learning how to use the italics or boldHTML quote? You’d be a lot easier to read.
    ——————
    Are blax allowed to used the white mans HTML?
    I don’t want to get banned for violating PA’s special rules designed to limit the abilities of blax?

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    Nigrit
    Your bluster and ego don’t even make basic, self-serving sense.
But you neither see that nor care if you did.
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    Are you following me now?
    Please stop and go away.
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    peterike
    Speaking of midwestern Halfricans, Prince has died. About this is do not care a lick.
    ————
    I was late to the Church of Prince; I only became a lay person because white girls loved him. When they would say “you sexy mother fucker” I didn’t know they were quoting a Prince song because that one wasn’t played on the radio. Indeed, he was a talented genius; but like Hendrix, Alice Coltrane, Theolonious Monk and other unorthodox black artists, our perception of them is “tainted” by the Western artistic cultural construct we grew up in. I consider them not much more than black people who failed the initiation.
    I once heard a presentation by James Burke where he said; “they are not linear thinkers like we are.” Though many may take offense at his observation, it might be accurate? Accurate in an “epi-genetic” kind of sense where the patterns form the notes instead of the other way around. To sum up what was so good about Prince requires a quote about Hendrix by guitar lord Jeff Beck; “you never knew what was coming next.” Even his death caught ni66as off guard. R.I.P Prince

    Favorite Prince song?
    House quake;
    that song has to be the cause of at least one documented deck collapse.

    PS– and to which ever clown said Prince had a weak voice; you must not be a singer? His dynamic range and endurance were excellent.

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    Lucius Somesuch
    “thwack,
    According to that genius Lucius, I am you. Or a Jewish girl. ”
    –Hey Sarah, when you’re fetching around for a White Knight (of Color!) to “let’s u and him fight”, it might pay to keep the bruthas’ words and identities straight. But maybe it’s the wrong Hasbara shift for you?
    ——————–
    PA, this kind of silly playground fruity game of tag crap ruined the Chateau; do yourself a favor and send this clown back to CH.
    Thanks.
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    PA
    — “the future will and must be techno-totalitarian.”
    Nobody knows what the future will be like. Human nature makes history cyclical. Technological progress is linear — but — the technological arms race (driven by human nature) makes technology cyclical in its effect too.
    ————————
    What PA is really trying to say is “the penis mightier than the sword”

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    Camlost
    And (most importantly) he stayed the hell out of politics and didn’t toe the Democratic party line like so many other musicians of less ability.
    ———–
    Slow your roll Cam.
    Shortly after the Baltimore riots, Prince did a Baltimore concert in memory of Freddy Gray. At the end he invited states attorney Marilyn “downs syndrome” Mosby ( the one who charged all 6 officers) on stage for some black power clenched fist nonsense… a clear conflict of interest which the defense did not allow to go unnoticed. She brags about coming from a family of law enforcement professionals; but leaves out the part about them getting fired or forced to resign. She has made a dogs meal out of the Freddy Gray case and I predict all officers charged will walk.
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    Suburban_elk |
    Speaking of homos, how disappointing that Bruce Springsteen, FORMERLY known as the Boss, has ‘come out’ in favor of trans in the little girls room.
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    Is he a White Anglo Saxon Protestant?
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    Lunatic Lie
    That Fraser video is really loooong and boring and tiresome. I don’t really agree with much that Fraser says, except that WASPS are a unique interest group that is unique culturally and historically from other Whites. All it is to me is proof that we have all the diversity we need. If there’s anything specifically you would like me to address please give me a timestamp and I’ll check it out.
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    No Derelict lie,
    I will not try to help you understand what professor Fraser made so plainly clear. Why? Because I know you don’t want to hear it. You’re scared, you’re terrified; but don’t feel bad bro. Clarity has that effect on weak people; matter of fact, it often breaks their concentration; for that I apologize.

    There is a reason that video only has 5 views. White people like yourself can’t take it. Can’t take what? They can’t take a white man with hahyooooge brass balls, standing up, pointing his finger at you and saying “the white man has no clothes on!” Like I said before, theres no reason to be ashamed; even Sunic was struggling at times…

    Your response to Fraser’s diagnosis was the equivalent of “no comment”; and for a dude who CLAIMS to care about the future of the white race, thats a disgraceful, straight up bitch move.
    Matter of fact, so far, every white man on this blog is ducking Fraser?

    Even the pet monkey/staff mascot nickrit is silent?

    Thordaddy?

    anybody…?

    hello? hello? is this thing on?
    What is this? A group punk out?

    *sigh*

    Look, its not like you gotta face this kind of information everyday. I thought y’all were man enough to handle it, I guess I was wrong?
    you clowns can duck and dance around the subject all you want, but at the end of the day you still gotta decide; are you a white man?
    or just another punk.

  111. Thwack…

    Those are inadequate options for the “white” male…

    It’s either radical autonomy or genuine white Supremacy.

    A will to do anything, ie., homo-sexual “nature” versus a will to do all right, ie., a will oriented towards objective Supremacy.

    It is here ^^^ that one finds, quite paradoxically, both the true schism and the real source of friction, chaos and conflict.

    As a modern “black,” there is simply an inverted order where the healthy-minded white man “sees” friction, chaos and conflict in radical (black) autonomy and a his will to do anything whereas a “healthy-minded” “black man” “sees” friction, chaos and conflict in genuine wS and the his will to do all right.

    The reality is that these diametrically-opposed perception DEMAND a separation or…

    “We” bear witness as “we” type… “We” are here as testament to the near end result of matter and anti-matter “forced” to co-exist. Total degeneration of the white man so much much so that he does not even conceive of wS anymore and EITHER does the modern “thwack.”

    Hello thwack… Are you really black or “black?” A black “perfectionist” or radical “black” autonomist?

    Those are your only true options.

  112. It’s crazy how basic is the Narratove and yet NO ONE whispers the exact same story to the next guy.

    If the pivotal character is “white man” and the plot is his eventual annihilation THEN the meat of the story is a “white man’s” total degeneration.

    BUT…

    This total degeneration of the white man MUST BE FROM THE PLACE of a former white Supremacist.

    So in cliff note style, the Narrative is anti-white Supremacy and the elimination of the white man through his ideological embrace of anti-white Supremacy.

    Literally, every white boy in MRKA over the last 50-60 years has been methodically “educated” to be an anti-white Supremacist.

    AND YET, not a single high IQ “white” male who has been privy to the Narrative… Whispers a not-so-exact rendition of the “narrative” to others… Can seemingly conceive that contra the zeitgeist of anti-white Supremacy should stand the white Supremacist as self-evident solution.

    It’s almost unreal… Evidence of a mass of “white” males in a state of radical autonomy.

  113. @Thwack,
    Though you have what i consider the dubious distinction of referring to me as “nigcrit,’ the only other commmenter in the alt-right to do as much was the infamous “Dell” aka “Eponymous,” at Guy White and Sagratsays, I have to say i was impressed by your music insight, and the citing of Alice Coltrane—— and the nod to Hendrix via Jeff Beck; I too see a Hendrix-to-Prince legacy bearing (however predictable an observation), though I consider Prince the much-less seasoned acolyte of the two, at least certainly so when comparing the two performers solely in the realm of musicianship and musical innovation.

  114. “but stoppin’ for a while
    embracin’ what I left
    an’ lovin’ it-for I learned by now
    never t’ expect
    what it cannot give me”

    Yeah, i didn’t see this at first; i guess this could be construed as a reckoning and making peace with his roots.

  115. Is he a White Anglo Saxon Protestant?

    I do not know the answer to that, and will venture a guess.

    Going by his looks and his name, Springsteen sounds English and he is from Jersey so i would say old American, traditional American stock, sometimes called WASP.

    (WASP is of course a dubious designation. It has become out of fashion, both by white-haters and white advocates too.)

    And wikipedia says …

    “His father, Douglas Frederick Springsteen, was of Dutch and Irish ancestry, and worked as a bus driver, among other vocations, although he was mostly unemployed. Springsteen said his mother, Adele Ann (née Zerilli), a legal secretary and of Italian ancestry, was the main breadwinner.”

    So that would definitely be core American. Old American on his father’s side, and some 19th century Italian and Irish, both of which mix into the core old stock.

    Yes, core white Americans have fucked-up and liberal views. What is wrong with them, i thought that people from Jersey – and Italian and Irish at that – were hard-headed realists and tough guys who know the score; but apparently they too suffer from self-defeating tendencies: delusions that niceness and tolerance will be helpful to degenerates and other hostiles; rather than used against them.

  116. Well that is some impressive Dylan lore, i might listen to that stuff later. Also i like the poem.

    My experience with some of those same people, is that they are very unfriendly to outsiders. Well, it’s actually more like they hate people from the Twin Cities. Hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate … people from the Twin Cities. Did i say that they hate people from the Cities?

    There was a local story five years ago or so, about some local North Country degenerate peace of shit, who got a lifetime ban from the National Park upthere, for harassing the tourists. He made a habit of it, he would get drunk and then go to the trailheads and terrorize the families.

    If it sounds like some harmless fun, it really was not because he was menacing families with children, and there were firearms on his person, which campers are not permitted. So that is pretty much some bullshit, i would like to have seen him killed. But the Legal System’s penalty, what they would like to think of as a ‘solution’, was to ban him from the National Forest. (Technically i don’t recall whether he was banned from just Park or was it the entire Forest; it very well may have been the latter.)

    I have had two or three run-ins with those guys. They generally are not the ‘heart of gold’ nice guys that some people seem to think. They are more like angry clannish hill people without the redeeming qualities.

  117. Both Prince and Hendrix had white guys in their most famous bands. That is a frequent observation, and a significant one, i would say.

    Of course they both played with many bands, but with both of them, their most famous bands were more-or-less entirely white.

    The movie White Men Can’t Jump had that scene in it. Hardman Snipes was saying to Deluded and Foolish Whiteboy that Hendrix was a black thing that he couldn’t understand , but then Harrelson pointed out the cassette tape that Hendrix’ band was white. To which Snipes did not have an answer.

    Prince’s most famous band was The Revolution. And like the similarly named Experience? it was white: four out of five white if the movie is accurate, and according to the credits that was his band. It had the two famous girls Wendy and Lisa, who most likely were at least halfway lesbian; and then a white guy on drums and another white on keys; and then another black dude on guitar, which other black dude is most definitely the least featured (of the band) in the film.

    Those details and their significance hardly needs elaboration … or does it?

    What does it mean then?

  118. The suggestion from nikcrit that the eulogizing of Prince is an opportunity for anyone who has something to say about it.

    And the thing is that everyone does … because he was that big of an artist.

    I have to say that he is only celebrity death i have ever cared about, at all. Not to get all liberal and gooey like a facebook faggot – but i feel bad that he died in what seem circumstances inauspicious.

    Only the good die young, indeed.

    I have already seen two thoughtful and considered ‘articles’ by my peers on the social media platform, about what Prince meant to them and to us and our times.

    He has his doubters, on this thread – but there is no one from the post 60s generation, in the culture of popular music, with his reach. No one that i know of and can name, even comes close.

    I am trying to think who it might be.

    Bueller anyone, anyone?

  119. twack is obviously a white dude. LARPing as a black guy lol.

    There was a guy on glpiggy who used to say something like “white people dont have babies. black people have many babies”. Anyway he was the only other person I ever knew in my entire life who used the word “blax”.

  120. There was a guy on glpiggy

    I enjoyed trolling as Promoting Justice whenever that character appeared. Chuck and I had some good off-line laughs about that.

  121. then another black dude on guitar, which other black dude is most definitely the least featured (of the band) in the film.

    That would be Dez Dickerson, who was arguably the most accomplished musician beside Prince in that lineup. I’m not interested in disowning any white influence in the band; I think the band, being marketed as an interracial band, with this allegedly (though not really) biracial frontman and prominent white members, serves your point and is likely responsible for much of the band’s social cachet-turned-international sensation. But its popularity, period, wasn’t really a result of innovative and transcending musicianship, black-or-white-based; IMO that was more the novelty of Prince putting forth a charismatic version of a trend that was st right then cresting on the pop zeitgeist. At that time, it was radical simply to have black musicians playing hard-rock atop funky rhythms and arrangements; when the “Minneapolis Sound’ first broke nationally, it was the Time that first drew the majority of the national attention, t hough Prince was already being primed to don his punk-funk boy wonder mythology; people sometimes now overlook that Prince, more than the Time, had already established himself in what was then a hard-and-steadfast black, R&B legendary mythology, via his monster single from his second album, “I Wanna Be Your Lover,” which, then, at the tail-end of the segregated pop-rock-vs-R&B top-40 chart radio, was a R&B hit on the level of something in the rock world along the lines of “Stairway to Heaven”—– a song played several times a day for month-upon-month. “Lover” was a monster of a single, some of my earliest pop memories as elementary school kid hearing that song all summer long, with its long, drawn-out repeat-beat ending.

  122. Here’s a much-abbreviated rendition of the original vid to “Lover”; notice Prince still had a fairly ‘black look’ vs the more androgynous and ‘biracial’ visage he ascended to steadily for his career from “Purple Rain” on….. Myself, like a lot of NAM Prince fans, tend to prefer Prince from his debut “For You” days up to, say, “Dirty Mind,” in 1982 or so, over his later, crossover mega-hit albums. Or maybe it was that double album, whose name i can’t recall this second —- the one with “All the Critics Love you in New York” and “Why Don’t you call Me Anymore” on it —- that represents Prince’s becoming a cross-racial sensational…..

    (I’m thinking that, given current news events, this tangent isn’t too egregious, as we’ve built some purple momentum up in this post; but if our blog host feels i’m wrong on that, please feel free pull rank and reel in your halfrican commenter from hereonin in this post, 🙂 )

  123. Wait, what? You were Promoting Justice?

    Yep I did eventually “out” myself in a thread you probably missed. It was a ton of fun. Even Anti-Racist was initially freaked out by someone who sounded like he’s taking that militancy stuff for real. When trolling under that character, I avoided giving out my normal writing style by sticking to simple subject-verb-object sentences and no punctuation except periods, even in a question.

    Nikcrit, good stuff on Prince.

  124. Wait, what? You were Promoting Justice?

    LOL, I figured it out just before you made it known publicly, but you had me fooled for a while, also. What I couldn’t get is how fast you’d answer anti-racist every time he posted something. It rattled him in a hilarious way and made me think you were doing both Anti-Racist and Promoting Justice as a joke.

  125. What I couldn’t get is how fast you’d answer anti-racist every time he posted something

    I remember that. I had just gotten a smartphone and kept refreshing the thread to look for new AR comments. Chuck confirmed for you(?) that the IPs are different, I believe.

  126. AR was a real troll though. He still appears at various blogs. Under different handles but the same talking points and cadence. He popped up here too but I have his credentials blocked.

  127. AR was a real troll though.

    LOL, maybe I need a lesson on the definition of the term but I tend to consider a “troll” to be a smartass who knowingly posts contrarian stuff simply to upset everyone at a particular Internet site. They may often post things they don’t actually believe strictly for their ability to cause rambunction. Anti-Racist just struck me as some low-IQ, but sincere brother who thought he was really fighting it out for “the struggle” but who wasn’t particularly gifted in his language and rhetoric skills. He’d get a hold of one little tidbit news item and then shotgun it across the Internet at every alt-right site that would accommodate him…

  128. The Sailer post on Prince is good. I won’t summarize, go read it yourself. He calls prince “uncool” and i think that is sorta right.

    There is a lot more to say about him and his times and his death. It is as big as a pop music culture event gets.

    I re-watched Purple Rain and was quite willing and inclined to be critical, but the movie stands. On the yes or no, positive or negative, 1 or 0, up or down scale? it passes with ease.

    I give it a 2 on my 2-point scale: 0 for don’t bother, 1 for worth watching, and 2 for extra special.

    The other thing about Prince that was not mentioned (on this thread), in his list of attributes, is his dancing. Holy shit that guy had all the moves. He was WITHOUT A DOUBT a much better dancer than, say, Michael Jackson.

    The other larger factor about his fame and celebrity and appeal, that almost goes without mentioning, is that white people loved him very much.

    At the end of the credits to Purple Rain is the message,

    May u live 2 see the dawn

    Prince was the highlight of our times, in some ways. Back before America was irreparably sundered as it is now.

  129. As for child seats, what’s next, seat belt laws?

    Hey if you want to circumcise your baby boy go ahead, but do make sure he wears his seat belt?

  130. He was WITHOUT A DOUBT a much better dancer than, say, Michael Jackson.

    You could disagree on the subjective merits of the music of Prince vs. Michael (I love both but prefer the latter) but to say Prince is a better dancer is Objectively false by any artistic standard. MJ is hands down one of the best dancers to have ever lived .. virtually all hip hop style dancing is based on his template.

    Consider this is a “Settled Debate”

  131. AND YET… For all that artistic dance style, mj will be forever remembered for that infamous crotch-fingering that is now the favorite symbolic gesture of the down-low nigger.

  132. Of course the Jew’s (not a typo) reputation is deserved. Christ. Why include that disclaimer? Even here you are anonymously afraid of (((it))).

    I guess you still have a job and hence something (((they))) can take away from you.

  133. Why include that disclaimer?

    That wasn’t a disclaimer. The original post wasn’t a description of MY opinions; it’s a list of minimal common agreement among all factions on the Alt-Right.

  134. MJ is hands down one of the best dancers to have ever lived .. virtually all hip hop style dancing is based on his template.

    And MJ took his “template” from James Brown, he openly admitted it himself. To a lesser extent, he was also influenced by Fred Astaire, Sammy Davis Jr., Sam Jacke, Jackie Wilson, etc. Michael’s innovation was in coordination with the song, and coordination in group dances like you saw in Thriller, Beat It, Smooth Criminal, Remember the Time, etc.

  135. Pingback: Alt-Right Intro | Alpha Jed

  136. since we’re a bit O.T. and into music tonight, I don’t recall us mentioning this sorta odd fact about Dylan; apparently, he has several mulatto children with various black backing singers of his over the years. I had heard of one relationship and possible child; but this story includes pictures of one or two of the kids and some reportage with attributed quotes.

    And these women are definitely not what most in the manosphere consider to be Alpha Arm Candy:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1179512/Bob-Dylan-hid-marriage–daughter–15-years-Could-concealed-TWO-brides-FOUR-children.html

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