Is Anti-Racism A Religion?

Peterike forwards a post from Those Who Can See blog titled “When Progressives Get Religion,” which shows the parallels between religion and Anti-Racism (here capitalized). Specifically, the linked post addresses Anti-Racism’s similarity to Communism, which the blog’s author M.G. calls a nontheistic religion:

Communism, has been intriguing scholars for the last 100 years for its likeness to spiritual belief. The millions of pages written on the subject have taught us this if nothing else: The leftist, in his own way, seems just as prone to religious thinking as the rightist.

M.G. compares the tenets of Anti-Racism to traditional religion with generous use of visuals in a historical sweep from the Bolshevik era through Rotherham:

  1. Living our Faith (with subsets zeal and confession, sacrifice, and acts of piety)
  2. Dogma (subsets being doctrine, indoctrination, and utopianism)
  3. Fighting Heresy (with science denialism, ethnic denialism, and purging of heretics)

There is, however — and this is my contention — a key difference between religion and Anti-Racism: religion is adaptive for its adherents and Anti-Racism is maladaptive. Rather than sustaining its people, it devours them. That makes Anti-Racism, like Communism before, not a religion but a psychotic episode that at best mimics the outward forms of religious practice. The victims of both systems are the masses of people who had never consented to this new faith, yet they carry all of its burdens with none of its benefits. And that makes Anti-Racism not a religion, but a Jim Jones cult with partly-indoctrinated hostages.

A distinction without a difference? Not entirely. Genuine religions last millennia while left-wing zealotry burns itself out once it consumes the human fuel it feeds on. Revolutionary Marxism-Leninism died in Stalin’s purges in the mid-late 1930s and with his hit on Trotsky. Yet Communism’s destructiveness during its terror phase was unprecedented on the historic scale, the Ukrainian genocide being a better-known example. Wikipedia’s entry on the Holodomor’s death toll:

A 2002 study by Vallin et al.[…] estimates the amount of direct deaths for 1933 as 2.582 million. This number of deaths does not reflect the total demographic loss for Ukraine from these events as the fall of the birth rate during crisis and the out-migration contribute to the latter as well. The total population shortfall from the expected value between 1926 and 1939 estimated by Vallin amounted to 4.566 million. Of this number, 1.057 million is attributed to birth deficit

Birth deficit. That’s a statistic that the raw numbers of murdered don’t show. See the faces of Holodomor behind the numbers:

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And now, the faces of the victims of Anti-Racism:

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Radiance inside a ring of shit. That’s what I dub that collage from M.G.’s post. No, it is not dismissible as a sad compilation of people struck by a bad-luck event such as leukemia or a traffic accident; those things are not preventable in the aggregate, which would make the collage a meaningless invocation to futility. It is also not a representation of a free society’s rough edges because a free society provides its law-abiding citizens with avenues of recourse and deterrence against their victimization, and ours made lynching illegal. What the collage does, is it gives a human scale to liberal America’s animus against Whites. By using weaponized Blacks — and now the terror attacks in European cities and child rapes — our governments enable those outrages in order to demoralize and pacify us. What is the White birth deficit in desegregated America?

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While left wing ideology, be it Communism or Anti-Racism, is not a religion in my opinion, the utopian faith among its true believers is real. That utopianism was dramatized in Arthur Koestler’s 1944 novel “Darkness at Noon.” The dialogue below is between two characters in the story, both being Bolshevik revolution veterans during Stalin’s purges of the old guard. The prisoner Rubashov, who at this point comes to doubt his earlier revolutionary convictions, is interrogated by his former comrade Ivanov, a Party member still in good standing:

Rubashov rubbed his pince-nez on his sleeve, and looked at him short-sightedly.  “What a mess,” he said, “what a mess we have made of our golden age. […] in the interests of a just distribution of land we deliberately let die of starvation about five million farmers and their families in one year. […] We have built up the most gigantic police apparatus, with informers made a national Institution, and with the most refined scientific system of physical and mental torture. We whip the groaning masses of the country towards a theoretical future happiness, which only we can see. […] To me it sometimes seems as though the experimenters had torn the skin off the victim and left it standing with bared tissues, muscles and nerves …”

“Well, and what of it?” said Ivanov happily. “Don’t you find it wonderful? Has anything more wonderful ever happened in history? We are tearing the old skin off mankind and giving it a new one. That is not an occupation for people with weak nerves; but there was once a time when it filled you with enthusiasm. What has so changed you that you are now as pernickety as an old maid?” Rubashov wanted to answer: “Since then I have heard Bogrov call out my name.” But he knew that this answer did not make sense. So he answered instead:

“To continue with the same metaphor: I see the flayed body of this generation: but I see no trace of the new skin. We all thought one could treat history like one experiments in physics. The difference is that in physics one can repeat the experiment a thousand times, but in history only once […]

“For a man with your past,” Ivanov [said], “this sudden revulsion against experimenting is rather naive. Every year several million people are killed quite pointlessly by epidemics and other natural catastrophes. And we should shrink from sacrificing a few hundred thousand for the most promising experiment in history?

In his “Rivers of Blood” anti-immigration speech in 1968, Enoch Powell said that the supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. He was describing something that is the opposite of utopian ambitions.

Utopianism is hubris at its highest amplification. It is not religion, as those always counsel humility. But if one were to search for supernatural origins of both Bolshevism and Anti-Racism, he would discover that their animating flame comes not from the Divine, but from that other place.

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248 thoughts on “Is Anti-Racism A Religion?

  1. Hmm. Communism as a subset of satanism..

    Evil is a foolhardy pursuit of the good.

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  3. Anti-racism is definitely a new orthodoxy for liberals, no doubt about it.

    Lately I’ve been chuckling to see my SWPL friends on Facebook posting that idiotic “Open Letter to My Friends Who Support Donald Trump.” Has anyone else here come across this? It’s quite scary to think that white Americans think like this. When you read it you can see serious (and hilarious) religious-type undertones:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-nix/an-open-letter-to-my-frie_2_b_9293694.html

  4. “A 2002 study by Vallin et al.[…] estimates the amount of direct deaths for 1933 as 2.582” million.

    And that’s just for the Ukraine. According to the Russian State Duma in 2008, the total death toll for the USSR as a whole was around 7 million.

    Satanic, indeed…

  5. There is no such thing, in the context of the Left, of “anti-racism.” There is, instead, simply racism aimed at Whites. Indeed, both the Left and those they enable and pander to reject the real anti-racism endeavors that were enacted in past decades, e.g., “colorblindness.”

  6. Anti-racism as religion: the Negro is its Messiah, Jews its priesthood, and Whites its sacrificial victims, who are redeemed through their immolation.

    At its heart, anti-racism is anti-White and seeks the eradication of White people.

    We’re dealing with some very sick people. As I keep saying, debate and dialogue are not possible with them. What should be done? You and I both know.

    At this point the US regime is starting to double and triple down by importing Syrian ‘refugees’ into our communities, among whom are certainly to be found ISIS operatives.

    I have to admit to some disappointment at the (mostly) non-reaction of my German brethren to the invasion and colonization of Germany. I’m afraid the same apathy has taken hold of Whites in the US.

    I so want to go to war.

    It’s a mad, mad world.

  7. Again, Steyn is hammering home his victory. And also again, i don’t think there can be a clearer example of liberal idiocy, than their reaction to his performance, which he details in his latest post.

    Basically liberal feminist males, of the Canadian variety, say that they stand with women, but when those women are in Europe, their stories are made-up.

    Could cognitive dissonance be any more glaring, than that?

    ***********

    Very much an example of religious-like faith in something. Evidence be damned, this is our faith and that is the final word on the matter.

    It is frustrating and insane. To think of those liberals continuing with their status-mongering tweets.

    And what is the central tenet of their religion. LBF put describes it with some strong images.

  8. I don’t like referring to them as liberals, because somehow that is too easy and misses something.

    But whatever. It will all get sorted out, eventually.

  9. Sorry to be repetitive, but i think that Steyn has driven the nail all the way home and on several topics, but especially this one. From his article,

    Very true. One of the questions asked of Germany in the weeks after New Year was a simple one: Where are all the men? Well, here’s one answer from Stéphanie Kay – no relation to either Barbara Kay or Jonathan Kay, I think, but we’re all Kay all the time at SteynOnline; as they said in the Seventies, you’re a Kay, I’m a Kay. If you see someone in a Kay-Kay-Kay robe wandering around Indiana University, it may just be a Barbara-Jonathan-Stéphanie fan. Anyway, Mlle Kay writes:

    “So men concerned about sex crimes against women and children are either pathologically obsessed with sex (Schama) or frauds (Arbour). Have we got that? Well maybe that’s why, after 40+ years of feminism, no Western men seem to have been on hand to defend the women and children when these crimes occurred.”

    It turns out the new men – the ones Louise Arbour doesn’t laugh at – aren’t there for all those German women. And on the evidence of Munk Debate Tweeters they’re unlikely to be there for Toronto women, either.

    Really, hats off to him. Righteous stuff. I know he gets grief from hardliners for being soft on jews.

  10. Anti-racism is definitely a new orthodoxy for liberals, no doubt about it.

    Yes, but do you think said orthodoxy is more powerful an influence today as it was in, say, the early 90s.

    We’ve discussed this before, much of it in the OneSTDV and GL Piggy, as did Chad/MGE at the site run by the non-redhead ‘Chuck’ (who btw is by far the most convincing, scientific and reputable HBD proponent I’ve encountered in the alt-right). The apex of p.c. and/o anti-racist orthodoxy is past us; though I would give merit to speculation that says “the p.c. battle was won back then when the war-of-words were at their most furious volleys between sides and now it’s less contentious because the battle was won,” no?

    Personally, I think the last few years we’ve seen the first real pushback from p.c. orthodoxy; i know this will probably disappoint or more likely simply ‘not impress’ more raycist alt-right visionaries, but i think p.c. was the inevitable pushback from the changes that came during the civil rights movement. (which, i know, some here don’t even concede its basic justice; believing its just to tax certain citizens while denying their voting rights and access to publicly funded places and facillities—— but that’s another post and volley)

  11. I recall seeing Schama speak at some sort of Journalists convention in Chicago; he was pushing a book in which he compared the murder of George Parker, Francis’ brother and someone else whom i can’t recall at the moment. But the point and focus of the book was how it was impossible to do justice in chronicling events, journalistically, when a significant amount of time passage has occurred; IOW, it was about writing and chronicling ‘process’ moreso than story and personality… wasn’t schama also the new yorker’s or nytimes.com’s staff art critic for a spell?

  12. The apex of p.c. and/o anti-racist orthodoxy is past us;

    Well, I think the spread of PC is finished – it’s reached all of the converts that it’s going to garner. But social media, demographic change, and the Obama administration have carried PC infighting to new heights never seen before.

    You think something like that dreadlocks “cultural appropriation” incident could’ve happened before the Obama days? And keep in mind that this girl actually put her hands on the guy, it wasn’t just a little finger wagging or social media trash talking from afar.

  13. Steyn was a theater critic for the Times, if i recall correctly.

    Was makes this “sex scandal” so volatile is that Steyn, in his writing persona, is more-or-less acknowledging of his neediness or whatever, his not getting enough. A personable and funny little hook that a lot of guys can relate to.

    And so him acknowledging that, and then that being used against him, BUT THEN him answering back righteous anger and showing who is really coming from the heart.

    That is the argument in the form of Identity. It is not explicit White Identity, in that particular argument. But it sort of is.

    Their smarmy condescension or whatever it is, their cartoon characterization, got run through with a spear.

  14. I have nothing (theoretically) against voting rights and access to publically funded places, Nikcrit – it’s the destruction of freedom of association, and the concomitant destruction of private property that I objected to, and still object to. Of course, multiracial societies don’t work no matter what you do, because someone is always on top, the races are different, and, as the last fifty years have proved, no, we can’t be “color-blind”, and no, we can’t just all get along, so yes, I think that the Civil Rights movement was a mistake from the get-go. Malcolm X was right, King was wrong. This is what separate countries are for.

    And no, I was a grown working man back in the early 1990’s, and P.C. is MUCH stronger now than it was then. Take my word for it…

  15. Because anti-racism is hatred for the “father” then “we” are certainly not past anti-racism BY A LONG SHOT. In fact, hatred for the father would seem a proper response to being handed a plate of dog shit. And of course, if the trends only seem to trend more deleterious then there is both the motivation for an increasingly intense hatred for the father AND an impetus to self-annihilate.

    Now, since the Jewish anti-Supremacist must be at the “helm” of this diabolical plot per the Narrative of the “rightest of the right,” it could only be to cover for “The Chosen One’s” annihilation of The Perfect Son… The most reverberating act of self-annihilation in all the known world.

    So in secular game translation, it is a battle between those who attest to empirical Perfection and those who reject it. Supremacists versus anti-Supremacists… And because all things are racial, ie., through the father, then it is in concrete form, white Supremacists versus anti-white Supremacists.

  16. This isn’t quite right. The state-enforced religion is the broader concept of “Political Correctness.” “Anti-racism” is a “Crusade” or a “Jihad” of that religion. I’ve spent a lot of time deducing the terms, conditions and language, and deconstructed it as follows. This is not a complete list.

    Political Correctness: A religion of hatred, genocide and fear, that dictates, among other things, that the sole cause of all inequality between races is any existence of White Aryan people separately from others, and that our uniqueness and independence must be eliminated in order to achieve justice. It was originally created as a program of psychological warfare in the U.S. by Communist agents, but has taken on a life of its own that far surpasses any outdated “red” threat. It is currently the state-enforced religion of all Western Countries, which have become Politically Correct theocracies. It’s core value is always professed to be “equality,” the fluctuating definition of which is determined on high by it’s Professor-Priests and not subject to interpretation by the lemmings. Political correctness has other tenets but it’s central purpose is White Genocide. For example, “Feminism” is a constantly evolving sect of Political Correctness that has always required radically different standards of behavior from men and women of different races, because it has always had a racial agenda in addition to whatever it’s stated issues are at the time.

    Racism:Term originating from Josef Stalin and brought to fruition by the Frankfurt school. Politically Correct religious epithet similar in context to “unclean thought” or “sinfulness”. It is an accusation of 1) ill will toward persons of other races, and 2) the lack of faith in the racial aspects of the doctrine of Political Correctness by “non-diverse” people. According to what passes for Politically Correct “thought”, these dual meanings are synonymous because Rectards presume that no “undiverse” person could possibly question the genocide of our race without malicious motives towards non-Whites.

    The correct rational position on “racism” is analogous to the atheist position on “sin”; that is, we deny it’s existence outside of the religious context and do not believe in it.

    Racist:(n,adj) Politically Correct religious epithet equivalent to “heathen,” “infidel”(n) or “sinful”(adj). It is defined as 1](n) one who bears ill will toward persons of other races, 2) (adj) motivated by ill will toward other races, 3) (n) a “non-diverse” person who lacks faith in the racial aspects of Politically Correct doctrine 4) (adj) lacking in faith toward the racial aspects of Politically Correct doctrine. Rectards hold the respective noun and adjective definitions of “racist” to be synonymous based on the presumption that interracial malice is the only possible cause for disbelief in their psychotic delusions.

    Hate: (traditionally capitalized to distinguish the religious meaning from the secular emotion) Politically Correct religious epithet equivalent to “unholiness” or “witchcraft” designating all disobedience or dissent against the False Religion. While unbelief may be classified as “racism,” “sexism,” “antisemitism,” or “homophobia,” unbelief does not constitute actual dissent; as such at least one form of unbelief is a necessary but not a sufficient condition for “Hate”. Contextualized upon the presumption that the only motivation for dissent against the False Religion is hatred of someone different than yourself. Since this presumption is a lie, no actual hatred is necessary to constitute “Hate”.

    Hater: (traditionally capitalized) Politically correct epithet roughly equivalent to “witch” or “heretic”, one who dissents against the False Religion. Contextualized on the lie that all dissent against the False Religion is motivated by hatred of a group of victims.

    Hate speech: (traditionally capitalized): Theocratic designation for criminalized or semi-criminalized thought under Politically Correct rule. May or may not be hateful in any way, but it’s defining feature is that it always has the potential to cause unbelief or dissent against the tenets of the False Religion. Equivalent to the charge of “Heresy” or “Blasphemy”, it is usually prosecuted as a form of violent crime of intent, akin to “attempted murder/robbery/rape”. This is based on the idea that “non-diverse” people cannot control our own behavior, and if “undiverse” persons are led to question the False Religion they will violently attack diverse persons like rabid animals. Lemmings are supposed to believe the purpose of all “Hate speech” is to directly harm diverse persons through mind control of undiverse persons by way of “Hate”. Note parallels here between “Hate” and “witchcraft”, as it is functionally similar to demon possession.

    Anti-Racism: Politically Correct Fundamentalism as applied to race; equivalent to “Crusade,” or more accurately, “Jihad”. Based on the delusion of Fundamentalist Political Correctards that all inequality in the world comes from “racism” or lack of faith in Political Correctness, “Anti-Racism” is the purification of all unlike thought from the world. “Anti-Racists,” or Anti-Whites, have unwavering faith that when all unbelief in whatever definition of “equality” is required (as per context) by the False Religion can be stamped out, all humans in the world will miraculously become equal to one another in a glorious transformation. Anti-Racism is pro White genoccide because the end of the White Race as a unique and independent people is a requirement for the end of “racism” to fulfill the prophecy. Anti-Racism would seem to require intense stupidity or a shitload of really good acid, but consider the similarity to the Muslim belief that when Islam conquers the world, Muhammad will return to govern a paradise of eternal peace. Also refer to the functional parallels between “racist” and “infidel”.

    Anti-Racist: Politically Correct term equivalent to “Crusader” or more accurately “Jihadist”. The most common form of Fundamentalist Political Correctard. One who has animosity and often irrational hatred against all “racists,” or unbelievers in his or her religion Political Correctness, due to the delusion that all suffering, poverty, and inequality experienced by diverse peoples is caused by “racism,” or lack of faith in the False Religion by “undiverse” persons. Political Correctness teaches that humans in our natural state are all equal to each other because we are special in nature unlike other animals, and that “undiverse” persons destroyed paradise and created poverty and suffering by tasting the “forbidden fruit” of White Racial destiny. Anti-Racists require White genocide because as long as any Whites have hopes and dreams for the future of our people, the promised paradise can never be. Note the functional parallel between White racial consciousness, or the awareness of Whites of themselves as a people, and original sin.

  17. Heretic Phi, that’s a really good compilation and it is in line with the “Those Who Can See” blogpost. Where “Political Correctness” ceases to be like other religions is in the idea that religion sustains its followers, while PC destroys them. Look at all the androgynous faces at a Bernie Sanders rally or at a Slut Walk, along with their 0.02 TFRs.

    My point is that Jiahdism is adaptive for the jihadists because it lets them conquer other people. It’s also a perfect religion for desert Arabs and other people who are not too bright and who need strict rules to function. Political Correctness doesn’t offer anything adaptive for its true believers; while destroying its target, it spares those who keep their heads down and don’t take it too seriously during one of its SJW flare-ups.

    In the post I referred to PC as a psychotic episode. As such, it hacks into spirituality-seeking parts of the psyche, which is why it mimics a religion.

  18. My own terms, which I have designed specifically for psychological warfare against the False Religion. The name of my {program} is still classified as I haven’t unleashed it yet.

    False Religion: {classified} term for Political Correctness.

    Political Correctard: {classified} term for an individual whose ability to engage in rational cognition is held back, or retarded, by their uncompromising faith in Political Correctness.

    Rectard: Abbreviated form of “Political Correctard.”

    Fundamentalist Political Correctard(n): {classified} term for “Anti-racist” (n) or “Anti-White”. (n)

    Politically Correct Fundamentalism / Fundamentalist Political Correctardery: {classified} terms for “Anti-racism”

    Politically Correct Fundamentalist(n,adj): {classified} term for “Anti-racist” (n,adj) or “Anti-White”. (n,adj)

    Anti-White: (n,adj) Mantra (BUGS) term for “Anti-racist” (n,adj). Defined in Mantra (BUGS) thinking as: (adj) demanding that all Whites in all White countries, and only White countries, be required to accept and assimilate the immigration of millions of non-Whites, and by extension demanding White Genocide; and (n) one who advocates or supports this demand. The more specific {classified} definition of “Anti-Racist” is one who seeks not merely to implement White genocide but also to crush any opposition to it.

    As you can see, I think there is a minor but significant flaw in BUGS language. I suppose I overstep myself thinking I can outdo Bob in psywar. I understand that the message must be consistent to be effective, and it doesn’t work if we all just come up with our own definitions.

    Nevertheless, I still think mine is the best. That of course doesn’t mean I think I’m smarter than Bob, for the same reason Tyler Durden probably doesn’t think he’s smarter than Mystery, even though his shit is more advanced. It’s called standing on the shoulders of giants.

  19. And no, I was a grown working man back in the early 1990’s, and P.C. is MUCH stronger now than it was then. Take my word for it…

    I was college-age in the early 90s and I agree, PC today is much stronger. It surged in the early 90s, then some of its more extreme elements died down for two decades, and now it’s back with its SJWs.

  20. “I was college-age in the early 90s and I agree, PC today is much stronger.”

    I’m gonna have to disagree. PC today is much more aggressive, but it is weaker. You are free to question and challenge it far more. The sheeple are getting disobedient, which is why the clergy are getting more fanatical.

    There is no way Steyn and Farage would have been able to get half the audience in that Munk debate 20 years ago. They wouldn’t even have been able to HAVE that debate.

    I can’t find a current version of it. But in the late ’90’s I was watching a DVD and I saw a preview for “Shaft” (lol).

    The whole thing was just repetitive multiple clips of this big Negro looking badass while punching out White cops and slapping them around like little bitches. It was obvious disgusting racial hate porn which wouldn’t get a race-card pass nowadays because it was so obvious what it was.

    Yet back then Whites didn’t dare even question it. Ordinary White dudes would have actually physically attacked you for even mentioning what that trailer would have looked like if the races had been reversed. They were so terrified of questioning the religion they couldn’t even think that way.

    Also I’ve said this before but post-divorce visitation rights for fathers are much more reasonable now, at least in liberal areas. This is partially a consequence of the fact that the Family Court vermin knew had to readjust their doctrine when the first wave of kids who were denied access to their fathers for no reason were old enough to speak as adults. Yes, feminists still argue that fathers aren’t necessary, because now they HAVE TO ARGUE IT. 20 years ago you didn’t even suggest that a child needs their father because that would imply that a woman couldn’t do it on her own, and you didn’t dare.

    Though I must admit something.

    the WWII generation and Boomers are getting more politically correct with time. Doubling down on their folly.

    Younger generations, not so much.

    Also, traditionally liberal areas have been “burning out” on PC while more conservative areas have been “catching up”. If you are from Wisconsin, it certainly looks like PC is more powerful now.

    But if you’re at ground zero in lets say in San Francisco or the like, you can see where this is going a lot easier.

    Put it this way. Take a look at what States Trump lost in.

    No. If you’re 60 years old on a ranch in Utah, it certainly looks to you like PC is more powerful now.

    I agree with nikcrit. It isn’t.
    It’s just lashing out in fear.

  21. “I was college-age in the early 90s and I agree, PC today is much stronger. “

    Really? I thought I remember you seeing more or less what I did back in the OneSTDV and GL Piggy days —– that the mid-90s hey-day of mandatory sensitivity training at work, etc.; was the apex.

    At most, i’m willing to amend my view and say that the mid 90s was the peak indoctrination phase, so the propaganda was strongest, while nowadays, we’re in the post-‘mission-complete’-era, and with the orthodoxy in place and damn-near entrenched, there’s no longer the need for such co-ercive public relation and civic signs and pressure.

    “Of course, multiracial societies don’t work no matter what you do, because someone is always on top, the races are different, and, as the last fifty years have proved, no, we can’t be “color-blind”, and no, we can’t just all get along, so yes, I think that the Civil Rights movement was a mistake from the get-go. Malcolm X was right, King was wrong. This is what separate countries are for. “

    I think America is host to both your and my anecdotal view and praxis; convo/debates like ours here in this instance are common on blogs like this, but really think about it for a sec: is it really that surprising that we’re sorta both right on this? I mean, given what you know of the avatar ‘nikcrit’ —- i.e., what he’s said about his background and current attitudes towards race and socialization, it’s believable that i’ve developed relationships and social networks in which the people are multi-racial themselves or mono-ethnics who’ve either chosen to associate with ethnic others or have done so from both (the latter is a subset that i came from and know many-upon-many others who are similar, yet that subset here is often depicted as a cynical and politically deployed symbol of tokenism that doesn’t really exist. Well, in a sense it doesn’t —– FOR YOU!

    The problem is, neither ‘side’ takes each others position or ‘read’ seriously (and thus sincerely) because such raps and observations so often ARE just cynical socio-political tactics in the works, etc.

    Yet another reason for future-tech forums like these: you can get to know and hear the other free of cant and stereotype —– yet maintain the respectful distance and disassociation that one would have to concede upon dealing with ‘the other’ IRL and F2F.

  22. OT@Cam,
    Of all the years you’ve been watching or following, can you cite a NCAA tournament more exciting than the last 20 seconds of that NC-vs-Villanova final?

    I just watched a 35-minute highlight clip of the tournament covering the last couple of decades and Monday’s game to easily top ’em all.

    I’m also tripping on how old i’m getting in that I can recall being a teen and watching the last time Villanova won the tournament —– 31 fukin’ years ago!!!!!

  23. “I’m gonna have to disagree. PC today is much more aggressive, but it is weaker. “

    Phi, I actually recall you making a good, detailed remark about the current state of P.C. shortly after you first started commenting here; it was fairly nuanced in that you mentioned how it was sort-of more entrenched, but as you just said, also more open to attack; you went on to say how it was simultaneously stronger and weaker in several certain ways; i thought it was nice, tidy overview, but i couldn’t find it upon doing a brief search in the ‘list of posts’ tab..

  24. Nik
    “but i couldn’t find it upon doing a brief search in the ‘list of posts’ tab..”
    Yeah I think I know which one you mean and I couldn’t find it either. Trying not to be too repetitive here tho.
    That comment was trying to describe how the Normal curve was becoming Bimodal. Attitude is polarizing. And what I just said does segue back into that point. Fun times ahead.

  25. –Really? I thought I remember you seeing more or less what I did back in the OneSTDV and GL Piggy days —– that the mid-90s hey-day of mandatory sensitivity training at work, etc.; was the apex.

    You can re-read my comment immediately before that one.

    –Normal curve was becoming Bimodal. Attitude is polarizing.

    That’s a good way of putting it. In the early 90s the message was “be inclusive” and most people went along with it. In the younger circles, being cool was aligned with some from of identifying with PC. Things then calmed down for two decades but then the crazies, SJWs, Travon psychosis, BLM, fat acceptance, slut walks, bake me the fucking cake or I’ll ruin you, trransgender bathrooms began flaring up like dormant herpes around the time of Obongo’s reelection. Today the PC message is “die.”

  26. It’s just lashing out in fear.

    That’s a big part of it, but this is also what makes it so vicious while it lasts.

  27. Does anyone remember that 90’s movie “PCU”? I am going to have to go rewatch that.

    “I’m gonna have to disagree. PC today is much more aggressive, but it is weaker. “

    PC is weaker today because it’s definition has expanded so widely. It’s stretched thin by fighting a war on too many unsustainable fronts.

    25 years ago PC was fairly tame and consisted of things like Fortune 500 companies giving upper management “sensitivity training” to deter them from making boob jokes in all-company meetings featuring investors.

    Nowadays you’ve got screeching college kids saying they feel nauseous and threatened by “Trump 2016” scrawlings in chalk around their campus. Or college professors calling 911 upon seeing ROTC members doing traditional military marches around their campus with the ceremonial rifles:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/23/university-of-north-dakota-professor-vows-to-call-/

    “Of course, multiracial societies don’t work no matter what you do, because someone is always on top, the races are different, and, as the last fifty years have proved, no, we can’t be “color-blind”, and no, we can’t just all get along, so yes, I think that the Civil Rights movement was a mistake from the get-go. Malcolm X was right, King was wrong. This is what separate countries are for. “

    There’s a difference between a society and a nation. The nation is a modern, western ideal and can support multi-culturalism if there’s a common genetic base that allows co-evolution – for instance, the modern English are an amalgamation of the Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians that moved West after the fall of the Roman empire opened migration of Germanic peoples past the Rhine.

    Of all the years you’ve been watching or following, can you cite a NCAA tournament more exciting than the last 20 seconds of that NC-vs-Villanova final?

    UNC had an awful game plan. Villanova played a blatant post-fronting defense that they made no attempt to mask = and UNC played right into their hands by taking so many perimeter shots (even though they hit them at a better percentage than normal). That negated the huge size advantage for UNC. From Villanova’s perspective, when you employ that defense what are you hoping for? – you’re hoping that perimeter players take one look inside, don’t see an immediate opening for an entry pass to a big man, and so then skip pass the ball to the other side where some impatient dummy jacks up a long shot, of the type that you can get at any time against that defense. Dumb.

  28. “I’m gonna have to disagree. PC today is much more aggressive, but it is weaker. “

    Also, PC is now running amuck because it’s now under the charge of less bright and more blatantly envious people – blacks, lesbians, trannies, rootless cosmopolitans, FOB immigrants and hispanics. These people have less restraint and more obvious hostility to anything traditional about America. In the 90’s the stewards of political correctness were nice white ladies who went home to their (probably conservative) white husband, so they stayed somewhat grounded.

    These folks are producing PC tripe that is really just aimed at making each other happy, and will just never fly with the bulk of core America. For instance:

    1. Major League Baseball is down from 30% to 8% black players so this MUST be evidence of “racism”:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/magazine/the-unbearable-whiteness-of-baseball.html?_r=0

    2. Maria Sharapova makes twice as much in endorsements as #1 ranked Serena Williams, so this must be “racist”:

    http://financialjuneteenth.com/serena-williams-is-no-1-why-did-maria-sharapova-make-double-in-endorsements/

  29. PCU: “you crazy black panther and feminist activists, tone it down a little please and join forces with our Animal House redux crew against our common enemy, which is preppy White students who the movie makes explicit that they are not Jews.”

  30. @Cam,
    I’d never heard of that ‘financialjuneteenthday.com’ website, but it was very entertaining…lol!!

    (One of the b.s. clickbait links at the bottom of the page featured a “15 NBA Stars who are now Broke’ headline featuring a present-day Larry Bird for the photo—— but after I took the bait and clicked through the 15 profiles, alas there was no Bird in sight, tho there were some amusing tales of financial sloth, including that of one Greg Oden).

  31. OT: To refer back to the recent ‘1987’ post, does anyone remember that song from the Australian band Midnight Oil, “Beds Are Burning”? It came out in 1987 and enjoyed heavy rotation on MTV for a while.

    The song is about forcing Whites in Australia to give their land to the Aborigines.

    I remember watching the video and seeing how angry and crazy the bald-headed lead singer, Peter Garrett, looked as he twitched and gyrated around the Australian desert. It was a shock to see anti-White hatred made explicit in the popular culture.

    If I could pinpoint the date and time of my ‘racial awakening,’ it would probably be watching this video.

    The anti-apartheid demonstrations that we were subjected to in England in the ’80s also played a part, for I detected in the campaign an anti-White animus that some kaffirs and Bolshevik scum did nothing to hide.

  32. PCU, the People’s Campus, University

    That is in the Big 10, right?

    Good summary by Camlost, of what PC is these days. It is to make its practitioners feel better about themselves.

    I mean who can really be uncertain about the reasons why Maria makes more in endorsements than Williamson?

    I saw an add with Williamson on the internet, for some AI training assistance program, where the computer with its AI voice was going to help Williamson with her tennis training by talking with her (these new computers, what will they think of next?), and the computer went so far as to make a joke, praising ITSELF by calling ITSELF “the Venus Williamson of AI”, and Williamson’s response (to the computer) was, I wouldn’t go that far.

    Which is (unintentionally) funny, in how it reveals that tiresome typical black athlete immodesty and self-absorption, and but portrays it as if it is a winning characteristic.

    Cam Newton, anyone?

    The whole ad there is odd in how it misses (or at least i like to think it does). If those top athletes want to come off as more hip and more with the trends of people’s perception of things, they would back off the self-aggrandizement. But no, that is utterly beyond them. They are still selling their brand of me me me me me me me me me me me me me me, all the time me me me me.

    Like a rap video. And also like that bizarre triple postmodern facebook livefeed wherein the black vicelord was shot. Which black vicelord’s gangname was “the kid” and but before he was shot, he just wouldn’t shut up … about himself: His final words, “the kid the kid the kid the kid” bang pow bam boom.

  33. Clickbait – it’s tempting.

    I have fallen for it once or twice. The last time was for Three Foods that will Kill You with a picture of … beetroot.

    Beets are bad for you?! but then click on the link and it turns out that beets are good for you. Fool me once, shame on you! fool me twice, …

  34. One of the b.s. clickbait links at the bottom of the page featured a “15 NBA Stars who are now Broke’ headline featuring a present-day Larry Bird for the photo—— but after I took the bait and clicked through the 15 profiles, alas there was no Bird in sight,

    Clickbait ads do that a lot, using a thumb photo from someone who actually isn’t part of their “list” as you find once you actually play their game and read through their BS. It’s especially bad with the ones about “15 hottest X chicks” – and then the girl from the intro photo isn’t even discussed. I have no idea why they do this, but it’s annoying.

  35. The whole ad there is odd in how it misses (or at least i like to think it does). If those top athletes want to come off as more hip and more with the trends of people’s perception of things, they would back off the self-aggrandizement.

    Well said. I noticed the EXACT same thing about that particular Serena Williams artificial intelligence ad.

  36. That song had huge rotation. It was called Beds are Burning, or something else?

    Two details that stand out, is that they said that the lead singer was 2 meters tall or something, he danced like a weirdo, and the lyric “steaming 45 degrees” – very hot.

    The Abos in Australia are such a minor problem … compared to the rest of the world. If all we had to deal with were the aboriginal populations of Australia and North America, some accommodations could be made. See for example Canada. Here have however many hundreds of thousands of square kilometers.

  37. “I mean who can really be uncertain about the reasons why Maria makes more in endorsements than Williamson?”

    That reality is probably accountable for 90% of all the social hierarchy and natural order in the world….and that’s humbling.

    I mean, I bet those who didn’t luck out often feel the existential despair that they’re rightly entitled to.

    But also those who ‘lucked out,’ who somehow find themselves on the favored side of random, well, favor? They too eventually give in to a enervation from being favored for no merited reason —- or at least not by any what you might call ‘noble measure.’

    For both the winners and losers, it’s perhaps humbling to think the most profound and moving index of human interaction goes to the ones who’ve won the totally random lottery of physically proportioned and aligned teeth, facial features and body part proportions.

  38. Something to keep in mind about all of this is the great James Burnham quote: “the difference between a liberal and a communist is that the communist knows what he’s doing.”

    Most progs are dupes and fools. A small handful pull the strings. They are the real enemy, like a cauldron that produces Orcs. Yet they almost never pay the price for what they do.

  39. OT: To refer back to the recent ‘1987’ post, does anyone remember that song from the Australian band Midnight Oil, “Beds Are Burning”? It came out in 1987 and enjoyed heavy rotation on MTV for a while.

    I think “Beds are Burning” was about a very specific case of deep desert aboriginal settlements that was being discussed at the time, the lyrics refer to it. I don’t think it was advocating carte blanche for whites to just turn over the possessions and land.

  40. That reality is probably accountable for 90% of all the social hierarchy and natural order in the world….and that’s humbling.

    It’s humbling to you that affluent white women support tennis and black people choose to spend their disposable money in other ways? I don’t see any white women complaining about not being chosen to hawk hair care products on the cover of Essence.

    My point wasn’t that Sharapova is prettier than Serena Williams, that’s irrelevant. My point is that the black people complaining about this show a characteristically poor understanding of how the business world works, yet also have the nerve to shoot off their big flapping mouths about sports they don’t even watch and consumer goods they don’t even buy.

  41. Apropos of nothing, or maybe everything, I’ve noticed a growing trend when I’m on an airplane (which I’m on at the moment). More and more, people fly with the window shades down, even in the daylight. Why? So they can gaze at their devices or the seat screens. In this plane of I guess 60 windows, maybe six have raised shades. So we travel in near darkness, even in the morning.

    I love looking out airplane windows. I’ve logged over a million air miles, and it still fascinates me. These days, though, I’m an aisle man, as the call of nature has me heading to the bathroom too often.

    I’m also happy to report that my flight has two attractive young flight attendants. Granted, one is dusky woman of undefinable ethnicity (Indian? Peruvian? dunno) but that’s par for the course. I really hate flying and airports because you always get a concentrated dose of diversity, and you realize how very, very un-white America is.

    And along those lines, in the seats next to me are a 35-ish white American male — of a robust, masculine type — and his 25-ish Eastern European wife (I’m not able to parse the accent beyond Eastern Europe). I’d rate her a solid 8. With them is their infant daughter, a lovely little white girl, and the mother is cooing and ooing to beat the band. Those Eastern European girls! They haven’t yet learned they’re supposed to want “fulfillment,” and not babies. But I dunno, she seems pretty damn happy to me.

  42. “My point wasn’t that Sharapova is prettier than Serena Williams,”

    But my point was —– and from there, I noted that it’s sort-of humbling and enervating to acknowledge that despite whatever brains, smarts, wiles and sweat we put into some endeavor, perhaps the biggest, most decisive factor in our achieving our goals or obtaining something, anything, is the result of our God-given looks.

    I wasn’t proselytizing for liberal perspective or pieties or pushing ANY vainglorious goal or position…

    (What’s up, Cam? You’ve been misreading my impartings of wisdom” big-time lately!)

  43. I really hate flying and airports because you always get a concentrated dose of diversity, and you realize how very, very un-white America is.

    Maybe due to the TSA or other workers in airports themselves, but I’d postulate that American Airline travellers are far whiter than the overall American population due to cost. A much higher percentage of Hispanic and Black adults have never travelled on an airplane. I once made a very regrettable decision to go from Atlanta to Dallas via the super discount carrier Spirit Airlines and I thought I’d stumbled into the middle of filming of the next sequel to “Soul Plane” since it was so full of blacks with obviously little experience flying. They were literally screaming and hollering to Jesus with every bump of turbulence.

    I’m also happy to report that my flight has two attractive young flight attendants.

    Must be nice. Any time I see a thin, white flight attendant walking through Hartsfield or McCarran or DFW I already know that she’s with Aeroflot or Qantas or some foreign airline. All of Delta’s flights are now covered by 1 gay flight attendant and 3 linebacker-sized, Nell Carter lookalikes. And now that these fatties are “saturating” themselves into low-level management the last thing these hippos will do is hire any cute white stewardesses.

  44. “I think “Beds are Burning” was about a very specific case of deep desert aboriginal settlements that was being discussed at the time, the lyrics refer to it. I don’t think it was advocating carte blanche for whites to just turn over the possessions and land.”

    Thus spake Wiki:

    “Beds Are Burning” is a protest song in support of giving native Australian lands back to the Pintupi, who were among the very last people to come in from the desert. These ‘last contact’ people began moving from the Gibson Desert to settlements and missions in the 1930s. More were forcibly moved during the 1950s and 1960s to the Papunya settlement. In 1981, they left to return to their own country and established the Kintore community, which is nestled in the picturesque Kintore Ranges, surrounded by Mulga and Spinifex country. It is a community with a population of about 400. Kintore and the town of Yuendumu are mentioned by name in the lyrics, as are vehicles produced by the Holden company. “

    Never cared much for that band; boring ‘politically conscious’ wave-punk.

  45. ” I thought I’d stumbled into the middle of filming of the next sequel to “Soul Plane” since it was so full of blacks with obviously little experience flying. They were literally screaming and hollering to Jesus with every bump of turbulence.”

    Lol!! I swear man, I find it hilarious that you and PA live in these black-concentrated cities when your temperaments are soo completely ill-suited for such environs. You at least have some personal folklore at stake, having grown up around black Americans —– but PA must feel like he’s around a different species of life, having come from a 99% white country, despite his U.S. afro-introduction via the armed forces, etc.

    You guys need to move out to the part of the country that Elk and I call home —- The Great White North, lol….

  46. But my point was —– and from there, I noted that it’s sort-of humbling and enervating to acknowledge that despite whatever brains, smarts, wiles and sweat we put into some endeavor, perhaps the biggest, most decisive factor in our achieving our goals or obtaining something, anything, is the result of our God-given looks.

    Looks?! really? for a man? Men being overly concerned about their looks always strikes me as a little bit fruity, as many male models seem to be. I would’ve preferred richer parents, or to be 5 inches taller, or to be able throw a football well like Tom Brady.

  47. Peterpike ~ I’ve noticed the same thing. It’s highly annoying. I want there to be sunlight in the cabin, and I want to be able to see out the window. I always attributed the pulled shades to scared passengers who didn’t want to be reminded that they were in an airplane at 35,000 feet or whatever.

  48. “Men being overly concerned about their looks always strikes me as a little bit fruity”

    It is, IMO. But my point is that I think looks are a bigger determinant than people acknowledge; it’s pretty much conceded that that is the biggest index for success when speaking of females. But looks, symmetrics, physique—-that’s a big part of male positive reception as well.

    I mean, you cite Tom Brady’s precise passing; you think he’d have a hard time getting laid even if women out and about didn’t know that he was a pro QB but, rather, just some lawyer or account out on the town during the weekend?

  49. I really hate flying and airports because you always get a concentrated dose of diversity, and you realize how very, very un-white America is.

    Living in a high density area that’s dieverse (but has a large White/redneck working class) I often get an opposite feeling when traveling to cleaner parts of the country. It’s a very pleasant shock for me to see an all-White Walmart or a young, all-White back-area of a fast food restaurant.

  50. That’s how I felt when I moved from Connecticut to OC all those years ago. I couldn’t believe all the White people working at the grocery stores.

  51. it’s pretty much conceded that that is the biggest index for success when speaking of females. But looks, symmetrics, physique—-that’s a big part of male positive reception as well.

    Nah, with white women in 2016 I think it’s most important to be in the right social group and exhibit the behavior that they’re seeking, whatever that may be. Sure, looks go better with everything (as does money and/or height) but I don’t think that that women are anywhere near as visual/superficial as men when it comes to looks. Women don’t even often know how to describe men’s bodies that well, whereas every inch of the female body is quantified, fetishized and commoditized. A good -ooking guy who is shy, awkward and/or unsocial doesn’t get laid anywhere near as much as an outgoing, confident guy of B or B+ looks.

    all-White back-area of a fast food restaurant.

    The only place you’ll find whites in fast food in the deep south is in the Appalachian uplands, Florida panhandle (still very white) or at Chick-Fil-A, which gets a lot of young, fresh-faced whites working there because of their friendliness to Christians and policy of being closed on Sunday.

    I swear man, I find it hilarious that you and PA live in these black-concentrated cities when your temperaments are soo completely ill-suited for such environs.

    LOL, when I make observations like my “Soul Plane” comment it’s not out of malice, “race-hate” or even annoyance. I just fancy myself as funny, and I’m good at “noticing,” to steal a term from Sailer.

  52. Good looks definitely help with men. Tall stature, maybe even more.

    Game can always be learned. Height, facial structure, and physical deformities are permanent.

    Tall, good-looking men with Game clean up. Short, ugly dudes are pretty much fucked no matter what they do.

    Women don’t even often know how to describe men’s bodies that well, whereas every inch of the female body is quantified, fetishized and commoditized.

    There’s one part of the body that women definitely quantify and fetishize. Also, shoulders, chest, and arse,

  53. Sailer has written endlessly about that, but the “undiscovered talent” in schools is certainly concentrated amongst prole whites, especially in flyover country.

    Many researchers worry that I.Q. tests are biased against low-income and nonwhite children, and some recommend a more holistic approach that includes teacher referrals.

    LOL, I guess someone forgot to tell those dusky Indian and Chinese kids who keep winning spelling bees and science competitions.

  54. Good looks definitely help… Tall stature, maybe even more.

    Just because it’s Friday: I’m tall and good looking and I’ll confirm that. Rudimentary confidence and game awareness, and it’s yours to lose.

  55. PA – I actually wrote a term paper about the religious nature of Communism in college. My marxist professor (a secular Jew of course) was clearly irked by my thesis and discouraged me from writing it. He insisted that there was absolutely no religious features to the explicitly atheistic communist philosophy, and that I would have a very difficult time defending my argument. I then solicited the advice of a religion professor I was on good terms with, an Orthodox Rabbi, who completely agreed with my thesis and encouraged me to press on with it… I ended up getting an A I think. I dug up the paper out of my archives when I read your post and I was shocked at how good my writing was at that time.

  56. My fitness is maintaining pretty well, all things considered. Back to high school weight, or close enough. Biking and calisthenics. I will try and do 14 pullups here, in a minute.

    The whole muscle mass body building culture, i don’t like it, but each to his own. I understand that it is helpful if someone is cooped up at a desk or whatever, but ideally someone spends enough time outside and working on his feet and with his hands, that such weightroom stuff is beside the point.

    The last couple summers i have gotten into open water swimming, on a very modest level, but have worked up to over a mile, not at too fast a pace, but it counts.

  57. Yup an honest 14. I wanted to get to 20, which is the top score for the army test, but haven’t gotten past 15.

  58. I don’t know that they are actually military grade. Maybe a little kipping on the last one or two. But i have to guess that that is allowed to some degree, on the fitness standards. In any case it’s hard getting old. The young people today who are already fat and out-of-shape, they are in for it.

  59. “He insisted that there was absolutely no religious features to the explicitly atheistic communist philosophy, “

    Really? That is outrageously false to the point of comedy; hard to believe that your prof really believed as much, i.e., the whole monkish ‘V.O.P., etc…..

    I give you credit, though; i’m afraid to dig out some of my old college papers…. i bet yours were better, as i don’t tend to ‘pleasantly surprise myself in those rare times i do delve into the nikcrit academic archive. lol.

  60. The race realist’s worst fears have been realized; The raycyst’s reckoning has begun!

    One reason I maintain a subscription to NYT so I can keep track of the SWPL class’ humorous inversions of reality.

    The share of Hispanic children identified as gifted tripled, to 6 percent from 2 percent. The share of black children rose to 3 percent from 1 percent. For whites, the gain was more muted, to 8 percent from 6 percent.

    So there was a 2% increase in identifying black and white gifted children using this screening method, yet the white gain was more “muted?” But what about the hispanic share, surely the gain from 2% to 4% is significant evidence of how racist we are!

    But wait.. read the actual paper and you will see the obfuscation involved in this metric:

    State laws governing the District’s policies dictate that non‐ disadvantaged students must achieve a minimum of 130 points on a standard IQ test to be eligible for gifted programs. English language learners (ELL’s) and free‐or‐reduced price lunch (FRL) participants are subject to a lower 116 point threshold, known as “Plan B” eligibility. Even with this lower bar, however, the District’s gifted student population in the early 2000s was largely comprised of white children from higher‐income neighborhoods. Only 28% of gifted students in third grade were black or Hispanic, compared to 60% of all students in the District. Thirteen of the regular elementary schools in the District had no gifted children in third grade in 2004 or 2005, while the gifted rate was nearly 10% at the 13 schools with the lowest rates of FRL participation

    In response to these disparities the District introduced a universal screening program in spring 2005. Under this program, all second graders completed a non‐verbal
    ability test, and those scoring above a threshold of 130 points (for non‐disadvantaged students) or 115 points (for ELL and FRL participants) were eligible for referral to a District psychologist for IQ testing.2

    The increase in the Students Of Color into the gifted programs was mostly at the “Plan B” level! They simply created a lower threshold for entry, and then identified some more students that would meet the threshold, so it is not some statistical mystery why there would be this increase!

    These journalists seem to operate in the tradition of Walter Duranty in service of the liberal narrative. Durante was the NYT Moscow Bureau Chief for 14 years following the Bolshevik Revolution. He won a Pulitzer prize for Correspondence, which was later revoked because he flat out fabricating pro-Stalin propaganda. His biggest crime was covering up the Holodomor.

  61. In a time when the mad push for “universal equality” is literally crushing the life out of the white man, ASKING WHETHER “anti-racism” or communism or whatnot is a religion IS TANTAMOUNT TO ADMITTING ONE DOES NOT DISTINGUISH between a true religion and all the false “religions.” Ergo, one is SUBMITTING to a “universal equality” that states true religion = false religion such that in reality true = false. Universal equality.

    In the least, “we” can state anti-racism to be a false “religion” and thus no religion at all.

    At best, “we” can articulate exactly what anti-racism is… Hatred for the father all the way through to the God-father.

    In short, anti-racism is a “religion” so unlike any other religion to have ever existed that “it” is no religion at all.

    Anti-racism is hatred for the fathers, period.

  62. I give you credit, though; i’m afraid to dig out some of my old college papers

    Most of mine were crap. I was just really passionate about this topic and wanted to prove the professor wrong, so it wasn’t just about the grade. And yes – there was something personal about pushback against my thesis. You know these atheist jew commie college professors think they are sooo rational and above superstition. Lol

  63. But my point was —– and from there, I noted that it’s sort-of humbling and enervating to acknowledge that despite whatever brains, smarts, wiles and sweat we put into some endeavor, perhaps the biggest, most decisive factor in our achieving our goals or obtaining something, anything, is the result of our God-given looks.

    There are objective, reproducible studies that conclude as much, for men and women. Facial symmetry and height confer significant benefits across the board throughout one’s lifetime. But there are also studies that demonstrate that people at the top of a given hierarchy have trouble with empathy.

  64. “The increase in the Students Of Color into the gifted programs was mostly at the “Plan B” level! They simply created a lower threshold for entry, and then identified some more students that would meet the threshold, so it is not some statistical mystery why there would be this increase!”

    Agreed. Pure folly —– but is it really even necessary if your goal is to champion ‘the other?”

    I don’t think so: how about my novel idea, however outrageous: full concession that, yes, NAM kids in the aggregate have avg lower IQ and a host of other aggregate metrics that correlate with lower attainment of MUTUALLY AGREED UPON DESIRABLE OUTCOMES…

    And while such an outrageous position doesn’t answer do-all, end-all question of is that lower avg IQ due to qualitative or quantitative causation (though we all pretty much know deep inside that the answer is some ineffable combination of ‘both’), I face those metrics and still, without qualification, love my black kin, want the best for my black kin and believe with full sincerity that their lower aggregate scores does not mean they’r less human, or deserving of exploitation or social partitioning or anything of the sort….So i strive to mend the crisis of spirit and imagination that makes so many leftists afraid to face those evident truths, while i acknowledge and support the ironic white American majority that suffers from this current Civil Rights backlash, which is wrong and misguided..

    Okay, i can practically hear Cam and PA sharpening their knives. But that’s the closest they’re ever going to hear this halfrican postmodernist reach for a ‘can we all get a-long?” moment!!

  65. Lowering the threshold from 130 to 116 is quite a bit of lowering. And then those kids are all in the same class, so that the black and hispanic kids with modestly high 120 iqs are against whiz kids at 140.

    That can’t work out well. The really smart kids are getting dragged down, and the affirmative action ones will be out of place.

    And the kids themselves, at what point do they figure out about the unequal standards? I would guess that around 8 years old – hey (some of) these kids have 140 iqs – they are going to hear about and make sense of those numbers and think about their classmates accordingly.

    As always, it would be interesting to hear about the experience of those classrooms, from the student’s perspective. What must it be like for them. The racial conflict between those two groups must be exacerbated, by the different standards.

    It is another example of hubris. People can’t be made into what they are not.

  66. “It is another example of hubris. People can’t be made into what they are not.”

    Really! But just why is such an eminently simply and reasonable statement so routinely ignored by our bureaucratic elite today?

    I mean, take a movie like The Ice Storm, of 20 or so years back; Ang Lee’s fairly cogent and piercing deconstruction of the Northeastern upper-middle-class elite after dark; the neurotically sexualized wives, the curiously impotent and Aspied-out men; their bestowing such quirks upon their progeny, the whole inner-obsessed world and vices of America’s suburban-class gentry? Tons of goodness and outright greatness —- but hardly a class free or burden and brazenly reveling in their relative advantage.

    Now, put next to some of their kids an All-American middle-class or working-class white kid or middle-class NAM, with a 110 IQ, good looks and solid values: who’s the more valued entity in today’s America? I say it’s at best a draw, going by the pop-cult zeitgeist, (though that may not be saying too much) and in terms of personal fulfilment and day-to-day happiness, it’s probably the more prole profile above that is both exalted and unburdened in their existence.

    Hubris indeed; America has forgotten how to champion its various classes; a comedy of class resentments, you might say..

  67. Education needs to be completely reformed.

    Kids should spend their time doing useful things, and not book learning.

    Book learning is the best method of learning, for a small subset of intelligent people. Even among smart people, book learning is the best approach for only a subset. And somehow book learning has become the focus of junior high and school? (or at least it was when i was there in the 80s).

    It is preposterous, that 16 year old boys are reading about history or Steinbeck or as if they need to know about Camus or whatever passes for literature these days.

    If they are going to have to go to school, half the day should be spent in shop and or home economics, and the other half should be something else which ought to include fitness and sports.

    Reading and writing can be done with by the time even average kids are ten. How many kids need math beyond arithmetic? or literature beyond knowing how to read and write?

    High school kids are full of energy and they ought to working outside doing useful things. Our model is so fucked.

    The kids should cultivate the fields and cook their own lunches, for instance, and spend their time working on their cars, and doing crafts. And then an hour or three a day of math and science and languages and music for those so inclined.

    All that would require a “culture on the make” rather than what we got, which is a culture on the fake.

  68. Society – as in our living arrangement on this Earth – could be a nice place, even now under these pressing circumstances, but people are not able to work together and make intelligent decisions, on any level even locally.

    I sometimes think of crusading on the community level, but then what’s the point. It’s all going to hell in a bucket. There is nothing anyone can do.

    For instance though, like abandoned retail space in shopping malls. If there were any social capital, those could be used for community centers where people could put pool tables and pianos and make coffee and knit and set up a wood shop and get to know one another. The space is unused and where else are they going to do it.

    But it will never happen because for some reason.

    Whatever. The apocalypse. Or maybe “the economy” will recover! it’s right around the corner! Trump is going to Make America Great Again because he is gonna get some good deals and that will fix people’s will to live and they will stop cutting down all the trees and be inspired once again.

  69. I won’t go off the rails here. I admire people who deal with their problems more stoically. I have never been a stoic.

    My hope is to continue participating and offering criticisms about the alt-right.

    I don’t think that the alt-right is doing a good job. It is not integrating what the leftists don’t like about the right to begin with.

    There is no (white) advocacy within the system.

    White people will prevail once the system peters out and or collapses and things get local.

    White people will not be able to advocate for themselves, within this system, or any system, because the organization that works for white people is below a system-level.

    White people have to be their own sovereign selves. That was my point slash joke about Trump, and not conceding that he is more kingly than me, on the other thread. Obviously he is an impressive man, but no white man worth his salt wants to concede. We all want to be masters of our domain.

    There is an excellent movie with a terrible name, The Edge. Enough said? No? it stars Anthony Hopkins and Baldwin and their plane goes down in Alaska and they have to walk out, and become men. But would you defer to Trump, in that situation?

    But what is fun about that movie is the token black gets eaten alive by a bear. Excellent writing, excellent acting, the whole shebang. Stupid name though.

  70. Ever been to the website Return of Kings? i know i have!

    Two of their headline articles today,

    4 Effective Leg Fighting Techniques That Every Man Should Know

    How To Become A Commercial Fisherman

    And another,

    How To Work Up To A One-Armed Pull-Up

    Hey i am sympathetic. I wish i knew how to do a one-arm pull-up and be a commercial fisherman and knew even two or three effective leg fighting techniques, but there comes a point where a man’s goals aren’t so … cartoonish?

    ***************

    Yockey thought we could create an Imperium, and i think that Bowery leans that way too, so my contention that Whites can not prosper at a system-level, is just an opinion. What do you think, can white people work together at that level, and subsume their identity into an empire, or is their own kingly and sovereign self-conception too opposed to that?

  71. — MGE —” I actually wrote a term paper about the religious nature of Communism in college. My marxist professor (a secular Jew of course) was clearly irked by my thesis and discouraged me from writing it.”

    It’s either an obtuse or a jaded professor who gets irked at a student’s sincere passion for the subject he’s teaching. I was a TA and tutor during my stint in grad school and I always appreciated a student who was genuinely thinking about the subject.

    — Elk —“Yup an honest 14. I wanted to get to 20, which is the top score for the army test, but haven’t gotten past 15.”

    Good for you man! My exercise story of the day: work was slow this afternoon so I started working on a new post but felt mentally flat after a project I just completed. I knew what I wanted to write but pushing out the words was like trying to sprint up a stairwell after maxing out on the leg press. But then I rode a bike as part of my commute home and the 45 minutes of force-pumped oxygen into the brain was like jet fuel to the thoughts. So after the ride I wrote the whole thing in one sitting. It’s pretty good, and will be posted in the morning. Also — I can only take so much of reading about the events in Europe and I had my fill of it. The bike ride dispelled the gloomy mood.

    — Thordaddy —“ASKING WHETHER “anti-racism” or communism or whatnot is a religion IS TANTAMOUNT TO […] In short, anti-racism is a “religion” so unlike any other religion to have ever existed that “it” is no religion at all.”

    So you read my whole post, got to my last sentence in it, and we agree? By they way, you wrote this earlier as well and this is insightful: “Anti-racism is hatred for the fathers.”

    — Nikcrit —“want the best for my black kin and believe with full sincerity that their lower aggregate scores does not mean they’r […] deserving of […] social partitioningt”

    Sailer takes the view that Blacks are happiest when they get to be Black, or something to that effect. Why would you think that legal segregation — in the spirit of giving poorer Whites an opportunity for family formation and community in a hospitable environment — would be dehumanizing to Blacks? I wouldn’t feel dehumanized if I were barred from living in a Talented Tenth neighborhood, just as I don’t feel dehumanized from by being barred from moving into a 55-and-up community.

    — Elk —“Education needs to be completely reformed. // Kids should spend their time doing useful things, and not book learning. “

    You’ve written about that and you have been saying interesting things about that. The thing earlier about girls needing to do crafts nailed it.

    — Elk —“there comes a point where a man’s goals aren’t so … cartoonish?”

    ROK does what they do. You’re here and not there, so I must be doing something right.

  72. Yup an honest 14. I wanted to get to 20, which is the top score for the army test, but haven’t gotten past 15.

    Yeah, I dunno about pullups, though. It seems that the people with the highest scores do have some good strength-to-mass ratio and all, but technique sure goes a long way in this particular exercise. Knowing how to push the rules and swing your legs and use momentum seems to be very important.

    I wouldn’t feel dehumanized if I were barred from living in a Talented Tenth neighborhood, just as I don’t feel dehumanized from by being barred from moving into a 55-and-up community.

    No such place exists, black people don’t tend to stratify by class (education and occupation) very much. There’s no truly “middle class” black neighborhood anywhere if you consider test scores and crime rates, even the famed Baldwin Hills in Los Angeles has a petty crime and arrest rate several times the national average.

    And black folks always like to have friends over. Freaknic itself started as a small Atlanta gathering of HBCU students who couldn’t afford to go home for spring break. But within 10 years it grew to almost 250,000 other blacks joining the party and bringing mass chaos including looting, parking their cars in the middle of major thoroughfares and setting up cookouts with a DJ under the traffic lights, or (my favorite) just going to the Mall and standing there. (literally, just standing there)

  73. PA…

    Yes… We do agree. But it would have been better to title the post:

    Anti-racism is not a religion…

    And the attempt to make it so IS IN THE EGALITARIAN “spirit.”

    So by asking the question, you provocatively invoke the egalitarian “spirit” and inexplicably meet him on even grounds.

  74. The kids should cultivate the fields and cook their own lunches, for instance, and spend their time working on their cars, and doing crafts. And then an hour or three a day of math and science and languages and music for those so inclined.

    Maybe if the USA had the same teaching force and demographics that it had in 1970.

  75. Why are there no high IQ “white” males who believe in objective Supremacy?

    Which is the same thing as asking why ALL high IQ “white” males believe in “universal equality?”

    Which is the equivalent of saying all high IQ “white” males BELIEVE in total redundancy, ie., infinite regress… General entropy… Self-annihilation.

    How come the alt-rite “race-realist” can spot the insane drive for “(universal) equality” and the simultaneous demonIzation of the (white) Supremacist…

    But cannot “see” that these “things” stand as falsification of each other. Objective Supremacy stands as falsification of “universal equality” and total redundancy stands as falsification of Perfection.

    White man is a head divided. The “others” are just cover at this level of existential crisis.

  76. “Anti-racism is hatred for the fathers.”

    If by “the fathers” you mean patriarchy, then this is what I’ve been saying for months. Both liberalism and feminism are an assault on patriarchy, which is the only system that has ever yielded politically stable and economically wealthy nations like those of the modern West.

  77. No such place exists

    Surely you’ve heard of the vaunted Prince George’s County Maryland. It has neighborhoods that cater to high-six-digit-salary Black federal employees or executive-level Black employees of well connected federal contractors. I know that world well. Many of them are polo-shirt-wearing, jazz-listening Black Optimates, and often very nice people. Nikcrit would fit in with them well. There was a story a while back about “tensions” (media’s favorite word) in one such neighborhood because straight-up niggas from shit-parts of PG county started driving over to use the basketball courts in one such neighborhood.

    Also, a personal story: after I got out of the Army in the mid-90s and worked on finishing my undergrad degree, I used a bus stop (I was broke) in one such TT neighborhood. My 20-something self felt out of place among the nice houses.

  78. But it would have been better to title the post

    Nah. I respect you and I think you’re for real but you are very wrong about that. I have a feel for the needs of the target audience. Your skill-sets lie elsewhere.

  79. PA…

    The question CANNOT ELICIT an answer that doesn’t ultimately yield to Liberalism UNLESS you state from the outset that anti-racism is not a religion… Which is subsequently what YOU ALREADY BELIEVED in before you asked the question. So again, the purpose of asking the question was to provocatively invoke the egalitarian “spirit” AND MEET HIM ON EQUAL GROUNDS…

    Why though, is MY QUESTION?

    Have you roundly defeated his claim that anti-racism is a religion?

  80. Surely you’ve heard of the vaunted Prince George’s County Maryland.

    Yeah, Atlanta has similar areas in Southwest Dekalb and South Fulton, but they’re not actually middle class when you look at test scores, actually family wealth, stagnant property values and petty crime rates, even though incomes may be high enough to be comfortably above the USA median. And these places still sometimes lack decent amenities, like banks (instead of check cashing or payday loan joints) and good restaurants with actual, high quality table service.

    And the flagging property values there are primarily due to crappy school systems. One black-run suburban “promised land” here (Clayton County) recently became the first school system in the USA to lose accreditation since 1969, causing property values to plummet overnight. Another black-run area (Dekalb County) has been threatened with sanctions that could lead to loss of accreditation as well – and this is a county with a population of 600,000

    because straight-up niggas from shit-parts of PG county started driving over to use the basketball courts in one such neighborhood.

    In Georgia and the Carolinas the white homeowners in surrounding areas just remove the rims (but not entire backboard) at parks and playgrounds to keep the riffraff from coming.

  81. — the purpose of asking the question was to provocatively invoke the egalitarian “spirit” AND MEET HIM ON EQUAL GROUNDS… // Why though, is MY QUESTION?

    My target audience is not liberals or anti-Whites. They can’t be reasoned with. The purpose was to meet the reader on a ground that is familiar to him, “gain his trust” and work through the question together. I do not have a captive audience. Every reader who comes by here (hundreds every day) can choose to stop visiting this blog and if he visits, he can opt to not read the post.

    — Have you roundly defeated his claim that anti-racism is a religion?

    I gave it my best shot. What do you think?

    — And these places still sometimes lack decent amenities, like banks (instead of check cashing or payday loan joints) and good restaurants with actual, high quality table service

    Yep, sounds like PG County. Striver Blacks don’t have their own indigenous middle/working class as a support structure. It seems that most of them drive north to Columbia MD for a decent evening out.

  82. Islam is a self-annihilating “religion.” Its most incontrovertible conversion act is that of a self-annihilating mass murder in the name of Allah… It only escapes the critique of Western seculars because there is a mutual desire for radical sexual autonomy… Which is to say that the “religion” of Islam is also deracinated… Not of and through its fathers. In many respects, Islam is an anti-racist “religion” and there is now little wonder why “white” anti-racists so actively advocate on behalf of Muslims.

  83. PA…

    You basically stated that anti-racism is self-annihilating and therefore not a religion.

    Now you must tackle a self-annihilating Islam?

  84. Islam is a self-annihilating “religion.”

    Of course it is. All non-Western religious systems devalue the importance of the individual and prefer to present a nameless, faceless front to the outside. This is part of their attraction to those that subscribe.

  85. I face those metrics and still, without qualification, love my black kin, want the best for my black kin and believe with full sincerity that their lower aggregate scores does not mean they’r less human, or deserving of exploitation or social partitioning or anything of the sort

    Ok, so you’re having another Eric Holder “My Peeps” moment. Click below for me, please:

    http://tinyurl.com/h2gwdlo

  86. Camlost…

    Then the argument sways towards Islam as not a religion… And I much agree with this anti-egalitarian prejudice…

  87. White man has metaphysics…

    “White” male is strictly physics…

    The belief of the “white” male is now far past critical mass… “Ours” is. COLLECTIVELY, a strictly physical fate. A fate that says the high IQ “white” males of the present — many of them within the alt-rite — simply do not recognize Perfection as a “thing” conceivable… As a “thing” understood as objective Supremacy… Now ponder the absurdity? Where or how does this all break down? High IQ “white” male unable to conceive objective Supremacy, ie., Perfection… Unable to “see” this inability damns him to submission to “universal equality” when it is all said and done… He is strictly physical and has no metaphysics. A high IQ with no metaphysics? What does the definition of “high” in high IQ actually mean?

  88. The smartest “whites” just are responsible and will just be largely held responsible for the colllective descent. I’m of the mindset that there exists a very large swath of “white” males more than willing and able to have more abuse and degradation heaped upon them by a radically liberated society. But it is also the really smart people who outsource the culpability to the greatest extent possible which brings “us” back to that large swath of “white” males mentioned above. And then there is the one set of white man that simply seeks to write Truth as articulately as possible. He should, quite naturally, be known as a committed wS. Objective Supremacy is “hard reality.” The zeitgeist is a totalitarian “universal equality.” ONLY wS truly stands in opposition. But these “things” truly are of a head divided. The existential solution is ALREADY in white man’s hands or it is not? The most potent battle is amongst “us” with the “other” facilitating the side of “universal equality,” ie., anti-(white) Supremacy.

  89. Camlost…

    Anti-racism, strictly-speaking, is hatred FOR ALL THINGS father… From a son’s father, to a father’s father, to a father’s father back to a grandson as a grandFATHER and all the way to all fathers to the single father and all those unique father/Father relation with the white man’s God-father…

    The desire to collapse reality under a “universal equality” is motivated by a hatred for the above relationships understood to the be the prime civilizing relationships.

    In the context of a white male dominated society… The zeitgeist just is anti-wS.

    So anti-racism is cuck-speak for anti-white Supremacy.

  90. Then the argument sways towards Islam as not a religion… And I much agree with this anti-egalitarian prejudice…
    Anti-racism, strictly-speaking, is hatred FOR ALL THINGS father… From a son’s father, to a father’s father,

    Ok, yes I agree with both your points here.

    But do you agree with my other contention that there’s something particular about Western patriarchy (“fatherhood”) that has caused (and allowed) Western civilization to advance beyond cultures that haven’t had the same type of patriarchal structure(s), historically speaking?

  91. “Is Anti-Racism A Religion?”
    ————————————————————————————————————–

    It could be; but the key is; which came first, racism or anti-racism?

    [“Racism” is a word made up by Leon Trotsky. That, which the word aims to pathologize, came first because it is another word for “natural.” — PA]

    Answering that question will reveal which behavior is a religion and which behavior is a reaction to a religion.

    IF anti-racism is a religion, where did it come from?

    PA is reading the book upside down; RACISM is the religion. anti-racism is a compensatory REaction to racism.

    Of the following, which came first:

    Venom or anti-venom?
    The virus or the anti-bodies to the virus?
    Submarines or anti-submarine warfare?

    When it comes to the religion of racism; Anti-racism is the equivalent of atheism; its adherents are at their very best, apostates, heretics, blasphemers…

    Think about it?

    In places like South Africa and the United States, the racial laws were all designed to LIMIT the behavior of WHITE PEOPLE; the same way we today have laws preventing adults from marrying children…

    Are white children born anti racist and must be taught racism?

    Or,

    are white children born racist and must be taught anti racism?

    [http://www.newsweek.com/even-babies-discriminate-nurtureshock-excerpt-79233]

    If your cat has 3 kittens and your child doesn’t throw the darkest one in the trash can, is she practicing anti-racism?

    If a blind Polish immigrant votes for Obama, are they practicing anti-racism?

    BTW- PA, it really means a lot to me that a college educated, cosmopolitan, worldly white person such as yourself is so afraid of exchanging views with me you feel the need to limit me to one comment per day. I didn’t graduate from high school and for a long time it damaged my self esteem because I thought it meant I wasn’t smart.

    [The only thing I am “afraid” of is seeing my comments section turn into a high-noise, low-signal waste of time for other readers. The one-comment-per-day rule is something you made up but I like it so let’s stick with that rule. It focuses your thoughts]

    Actually, Im starting to wonder if maybe you are the one who is not smart? (despite you college education, worldly experiences…?)

    Don’t feel bad, its not just you. Greg Eliot was the smartest person at the Chateau and even he started ducking me after a while and calling for my assassination…

    I just want you to know this type of behavior really means a lot to me; thanks to white guys like you Im even considering learning Latin?

    Do you realize your racism may be producing the very anti-racism you claim to oppose?

    [That’s philosophical, maaaan…]

    If you were a black person, what would you do?

    [Serious answer: it’s not for me to tell a Black man how to strive for excellence. Glib answer: if I were a Black person who seeks something better than an idiot’s life, I’d despair. See my and Camlost’s comments upstream re. Talented Tenth who can’t get a decent table service restaurant in their all-Black county, so they drive their black asses up to a White suburb for an a nice evening out. And then, there is the matter of not wanting their children to become shit. // If I were content to live as a Black parasite, I would find existential comfort in the two billion new Africans that are pumped out on Mother Continent without much thought to want happens to them when the lifeline is cut off.]

    Commit suicide?

    Get a white person to kill you?

    Kill a white person? [Stop masturbating]

    Kill a black person?

    Start a blog?

    Go to the moon?

    To sum up, what is the BEST thing for ANY person to do?

  92. Thwack…

    Neither racism proper nor anti-racist ideology are religions. The true religion “runs through” the “father” while all false religions are deracinated.

    And as I stated above, PA provocatively invoked your egalitarian “spirit” inexplicably granting you even ground.

    I hope I cleared some things up for you?

    PS. If a were a “black” male, I would put my mind on objective Supremacy and wonder why such action is the only real taboo in our society?

  93. “PS. If a were a “black” male, I would put my mind on objective Supremacy and wonder why such action is the only real taboo in our society?”

    the above quote of yours contradicts EVERY FUCKING THING you’ve ever said on the matter of ‘supremacy.’ You’ve always put in terms of a figurative black ‘accepting’ the discipline of actively supporting Ws, etc.,

    So, now all of the sudden you ‘deracinate’ your supremacism for the purpose of objective detachment and rumination—— the precise format that I suggested for that matter but that you dismissed as partial and inadequate.

    Glad you finally came around though…

  94. “Racism” is a word made up by Leon Trotsky. That, which the word aims to pathologize, came first because it is another word for “natural.” — PA]

    There are quite a few people, from academics to those in literary-romantic disciplines and humanities would would argue or depict language, dialect and literary tradition-stacking, among other folkloric traditions as more culturally bonding and allegiance-creating than ‘race’ or even ethnicity……..

    [I have more in common with an atheist monolingual Dane than with a Christian English-speaking Ghanian. — PA]

    But let me ask: How would you test, debunk or give merit to such a proposition, deploying your own experience of writing and discussing complicated cultural issues and conflicts in multiple languages? Are there bonds and/ or disconnects that emanate from etymology alone? Or is there always a bridge or even just acknowledgement of linguistic abyss?

    [I don’t understand what this paragraph asks]

  95. Nikcrit,

    I’ve contradicted nothing… How can you stop ANY MAN’S will to Perfection? A black man is as capable of possessing a desire for objective Supremacy as any man GRANTED he believe himself in possession of God-ordained free will. And strictly-speaking, this isn’t part of the “black” collective’s inner-dialogue.

    So whereas white Supremacy is nearly extinct, genuine black Supremacy REALLY NEVER WAS… Which is not to say it could not be in some way and in due time. But to the extent that those few who might convert STILL REJECT genuine white Supremacy, they just cannot embrace black Supremacy… They cannot embrace the greatest of black spiritual warriors leading the “black” collective and the “talented tenth” be damned.

  96. “Don’t feel bad, its not just you. Greg Eliot was the smartest person at the Chateau…”

    Wow! Of the dozen or so times I’ve commented there, Eliot anecdotally struck me as the biggest jackass in that bloated comment string; HE called ME pretentious ——- this, from a guy who uses words like “folderol” and “enchafed” routinely in his comments.

    And I”m quite sure that in my randy and gallivanting 20s, I romped upon much more ‘primo white poontang,’ as the CH acolytes would put it, than he and many-upon-many others did there. Many of the regulars there are damn-near transparent in displaying their sexual hysteria and fear (and no, you don’t have to be some self-appointed shrink to see something that apparent).

    It’s also interesting to take in the strong if unspoken undercurrent of disdain there that the bloghost holds for his commenters. He clearly can’t stand a lot of his regulars.

  97. “[I have more in common with an atheist monolingual Dane than with a Christian English-speaking Ghanian. — PA]”

    Ok, but let me zero in on something there specific: what if our figurative ‘Christian English-speaking Ghanian” spoke flawless Polish, the same form and dialect as your own and to the point where you couldn’t tell he was Ghanian if you too could only speak over the phone and withheld your ethnicities. Would you still feel more in tune with the Dane?

    [If I were a musician, I could have a good conversation about music with a musician from anywhere in the world. But those things do not allegiance and trust make. But such a Ghanian does not exist. A quality of Polish language is that a foreign-accented Polish speech sounds literally retarded to us. Literally, because foreign speakers mispronounce consonants in a similar way to how a mentally retarded native Pole would. On a more serious note, the hypothetical still does not work, say if I knew a adopted-as-infant Ghanian. There are tons of French-born Africans who have not a fuck in common with actual Frenchmen, nor do they have any affection or loyalty to France, except as “sneaky fucker” ways of ingratiating themselves into French society to personally gian from it. Race matters. Listen to your Black Nationalists Malcolm X and those folks. –PA]

    It’s worth noting or reminding oneself that allegiances and compatibilities can be both tactical and reflexive, because they serve many purposes beyond their natural being. That’s fine; there’s no ‘wrong answer’ of course. it’s just that in discussing such matters, some of these basic points or so naturally re-directed that they need to be pointed out again.

  98. I don’t understand what this paragraph asks]”

    I understand that certain words ‘don’t translate’ between languages; and that certain words or their replacements don’t exist in one country from the next.

    Does that create something akin to racial or ethnic disconnect? Is race a bond that cuts deeper than cultural folklore and language and literary tradition?

    There’s no single answer, of course; i’m pointing out that many feel race alone doesn’t, or that their personal experience isn’t such.

  99. “Listen to your Black Nationalists Malcolm X and those folks. –PA]”

    I do. But you have to ‘listen’ to the very end of the book —– the part where he renounces his black nationalist past and becomes a multi-hued nationalist, beckoned he upon his going to the annual hajj and praying beside muslims of each and every race….. 🙂

    [maybe he’d agree with what I said in Shots of Wisdom Part II “Identity.” –PA]

    I’m a race-loyal nationalist too —- I have affinity with the black and white races, socially and biologically.

  100. PA
    “Racism” is a word made up by Leon Trotsky”
    Really? I thought Stalin came up with it first. Ought to check my facts on that one.

  101. I think are bloghost won this round, Phi….. the following is a passage from a political history blog, but echoes many other claims re. the word’s origins:

    No, it turns out that the word was invented by none other than one of the principal architects of the 74-year Soviet nightmare, the founder and first leader of the infamous Red Army, Leon Trotsky.”

    The article notes Leon Trotsky’s 1930 work, The History of the Russian Revolution and it shows a passage from that book. The last word in a particular passage in that book has a Latin transliteration which is “racistov”, i.e., “racists” The article says: “This work here is the first time in history one will ever find that word.”

  102. Wow! Of the dozen or so times I’ve commented there, Eliot anecdotally struck me as the biggest jackass in that bloated comment string; HE called ME pretentious ——- this, from a guy who uses words like “folderol” and “enchafed” routinely in his comments.

    Well nikcrit, you call me pretentious, you call Eliot a jackass, and you call hardscabble farmer a “silly old man” (if i recall the exact phrase correctly).

    Your judgment of people is shit.

  103. I’m a race-loyal nationalist too —- I have affinity with the black and white races, socially and biologically.

    If nikcrit had affinity for white people, he would like and admire the good ones.

    The characters nikcrit disparages are the ones that i look up to.

    There is not a more glaring than that, of where he is coming from.

  104. Well nikcrit, you call me pretentious, you call Eliot a jackass, and you call hardscabble farmer a “silly old man” (if i recall the exact phrase correctly).

    elk, why are you picking on me today?

    1) Eliot is a jackass; my introduction to him had him gratuitously referring to me as “Sambo” —– before we had even debated anything. To me, that is a sign of no class and low ingenuity.

    [I respect Eliot and he is one of the people I’d like to meet in real life one day. He took upon himself the thankless task of responding to idiots and liars at the Chateau. If you got some of his shrapnel, just shake it off. Maybe your comment warranted it, maybe not. I didn’t witness the exchange. – PA]

    2) I liked Hardscrabble and he had complimented several of my remarks in earlier discussions; I called him ‘silly’ in response to a specific incident —– NOT he and his commentary writ large!
    I’ve noted that I like his ‘process piece’-type feature writing, i.e., when he says takes a long-form approach to writing about a single, relatively simple yet interesting task, like shearing a sheep or slaughtering a cow, tho i can’t recall exactly what the piece i’m referring to was about; that form of feature writing is a diminishing art,etc.
    The single incident of contention was this: I made a slight criticism or contrary belief specific to one, small aspect of a remark he made —- and in return he just tore into me hysterically, making stuff up and lambasting me for things that weren’t true and weren’t anything he could possibly know to begin with; e.g, he said I ‘never owned property’ or ‘created anything with my hands,’ and other lackings that he would have no way of knowing.
    It was bizarre and other commenters noted as much, including the blog host, Chuck.
    What I think happened is he didn’t like a single remark of mine and in retaliation created a total, complete strawman to attack.

    Problem is, that strawman had absolutely nothing empirically true to do with me!

    @PA,
    Are you serious? there’s no mudsharking in that video; there are some black dancers; humor was the goal in posting that video —– the contrast of her starting out as a britney spears-like pop tart and transforming into a ‘serious’ alt-angstress “voice of a generation.”

    [I just went by your summation under the video.]

    elk, your 7:36 p.m. comment is too silly to take seriously; you have noted my lack of formal logic abilities and claim to be my superior in deductive reasoning; well, then read your 7:36 remark and ask if each separate line justifies the next line. Find something lacking?

    I think you’re just never going to get over our fight of a few weeks back, because you’ve been looking for an excuse ever since. That’s disappointing —– but not as disappointing as some petty censoring that was inspired by taking a longtime commenter’s remark out of context.

    Or, if you’re more perturbed by my dissin’ of Eliot, I have to say, he, like many at that blog, are an embarrassment. [bullshit]

    I’ve had a rewarding several years of blog commenting with my sort-of unofficial ideological foil, PA. But if I had one consistent criticism of you, I would say that you too often indulge intellectual ‘bucket-hanging,’ a la the way you go head-to-head with guys like Obsidian and accept the empty praises of a lot of the blowhards at CH’s site, for the sake of padding your ego, yet forsaking debate with those closer to your own pedigree but who would present more of a challenge. But to each his own.

    Sincerely,
    Sambo [stop the drama queen pity party]

  105. OK, I appreciate the explanation; &FWIW, I would like to take back the sole phrase “for the sake of padding your ego,” as i’ve said i don’t respect nor practice self-appointed mind-reading—- but I do maintain the rest of that remark, however regretfully so…

    “[stop the drama queen pity party]”

    OK, awwright; i’m not going for some “ABC Afterschool Special” morality play vibe here, but let me ask you this? Could you respect some online ideological adversary in pre-debate mode whose first thing he said to you was …..”So, what do you get when you have three lightbulbs, a pollock and a step-ladder?”

    [The “ideological adversary” thing — certain questions were debated and settled between 2009-2012. As far as I am concerned, and many on the Alt-Right, we’ve moved on to focus on the destiny of White people, not the distracting anti-racist (however packaged) points of yesterday. Much of the ire that comes your way is the impatience of those of us who find the revisiting of certain forms of multiculturalism, blank-slatism, racial accommodationalism, White man’s burden, “be nice,” inclusiveness/tolerance-talk, and related concessions to be an irritating distraction and a hiderace to the things we want to talk about. You are failing to understand that and it comes off as either obtuse, entitled, or arrogant and it pisses people off. Alt-Right blogs are not the place where Black concerns are aired. — PA]

    Sometimes you gotta spit back at that shite.

  106. OK, awwright; i’m not going for some “ABC Afterschool Special” morality play vibe here, but let me ask you this? Could you respect some online ideological adversary in pre-debate mode whose first thing he said to you was …..”So, what do you get when you have three lightbulbs, a pollock and a step-ladder?”

    Ah, the wheel comes full circle. I knew it.

    Trickdaddy, what are you really hoping to accomplish here with us? If you want to chat with people who take out the “kid gloves” in describing blacks then just take your ass to Salon. We’re all men here, why even bother trying to dial back on the tone on our “LCD” cricitisms and protect feelings?

    And by now it should be clear to you that many of us come here because it’s a forum for us to say what’s really on our minds concerning racial matters, so why you’re expecting nice-itudes is beyond me. And the funniest part is that you’re far too smart to even try to contest the actual content of the observant statements that people like me make about blacks. In addition, I also thought that you had an implicit understanding that many of us here (like myself) find ourselves in daily business and personal situations where we still endeavor to treat individual blacks fairly in the real world, despite whatever private views we may have on larger demographic issues.

    And as far as this whole “don’t treat us less than human because of lower average IQ” stuff goes all I can say is Negro, please. That outlandish proposition wasn’t even a possibility during the Jim Crow days, and you’d make that cutoff anyway so be happy that your mulatto superman genes would be passed on as “best-of-breed.” Can’t same the same for T-Whack, though. lol

    Seriously.

  107. elk, your 7:36 p.m. comment is too silly to take seriously; you have noted my lack of formal logic abilities and claim to be my superior in deductive reasoning; well, then read your 7:36 remark and ask if each separate line justifies the next line. Find something lacking?

    The comment as it reads,

    “If nikcrit had affinity for white people, he would like and admire the good ones.

    The characters nikcrit disparages are the ones that i look up to.

    There is not a more glaring [indicator] than that, of where he is coming from.”

    It is clear in its meaning.

    What are you not getting, or what are you disputing?

    Your implication is that there are errors in logic or deductive reasoning. Please point them out, then.

    ************

    You say that you don’t dislike both those characters, but that is not the issue.

    Point out the errors in logic or deductive reasoning.

    Which will be interesting, because the statement is primarily intuitive; however i would like to see the errors that nikcrit contends it contains.

  108. nikcrit, if you say that you do admire and like the white advocates who do a good job promoting solid values, then i take you at your word there.

    But it becomes a question of values. I think that our values are different.

    You seem to value your people more than i do, for instance.

    You also seem to advocate for a more tolerant view of race-mixing, than i do, for instance.

    Those are the two main things. I can certainly have respect for your people, but in this mixed living arrangement, that respect is “problematic”.

  109. By the way, pretty much all scholars agree that atheism itself is a religion by any definition of the term, especially when practiced by its more rabid subscribers. Just like Christianity or Islam, it has a narrative, rituals, dogma/doctrine and the experiential individual “proof” that adherents must have.

    Anti-racism also fits this description for its liberal adherents in the exact same way, and often to the same degree.

  110. @elk,
    The part I took umbrage and deemed presumptive was the arbitrary designation of just who are ‘the good ones.” The only qualification for that was you saying ‘they’ “are the good ones.”

    I view that statement as unqualified and reifying or self-serving and therefore fallacious as a premise— hence goes the ‘top down’ or ‘deductive’ reasoning.

    I’m not really concerned about winning an argument over whether or not my ‘logic frame’ was the most prudent and concise bit of rhetoric to point out my disagreement with you on said premise, which was whether ‘the good ones’ were beyond specific criticism.

    I might even argue that my criticisms of ‘the good ones’ that you cited weren’t even close to implying total disregard of their commentary, let alone ‘them’ in their entirety. I may be wrong, but i considered your summation of my criticisms to be rendered in bad faith; i.e., there was nothing I said about HF or Elliot was exhaustively negative; the qualifications I offered here about those criticisms I also offered then —– but in the heat and context of a larger battle between us, they were conveniently ignored there too.

    ——————————————————————————————————————————-

    ” You seem to value your people more than i do, for instance….You also seem to advocate for a more tolerant view of race-mixing, than i do, for instance…..Those are the two main things. I can certainly have respect for your people, but in this mixed living arrangement, that respect is “problematic”.”

    I appreciate the sobering candor extended here; I think you’re right —- and when I weigh what you say here with what PA said re. how I may pique some basic AR pieties that have been already decided upon by ‘you and yours,’ how that may be our real point of contention, or ‘ire,’ as PA put it.

    So, perhaps that may be strong signal that I should back off a bit, or that some logical end be nearing for my ‘halfrican’ lobbying and critique of the Alt-right. I go back-n-forth on this; I get a real creative and intellectual charge from writing on this and other blogs; the only non-racial blog commentary I do unrelated to race is on fringier music (e.g., Ross’ “The Rest is Noise” and its online subsidiaries, but that is an entirely different beast and is more a nerd-like minutia indulgence built from aging expertise than a passion that gets my opinionated juices flowing.)
    I like to think that the feeling is mutual; that the more traditional demographic for the alt-right enjoys or, better, at least ‘appreciates,’ the ideally objective critique from a halfrican ‘other’ —– if nothing else, it may be relatively novel, if just in terms of interracial candor (as you once pointed out or suggested) —– but I guess there are plenty of instances in which one could deem that that most certainly IS NOT true. Who really knows? The situation is fluid.

    @Cam,
    I won’t bother quoting you, but I’ll quickly say that I know and you know that I’m not worried about any silly racial slurs but was pointing out the juvenile ill-will encountered at CH before any debate had even started; you criticized that site harder than I did. I’m more personally amused by it; I have a totally different perspective on sexual ambition, exhaustion and its precursing seductions… to cut to the chase, i think there are a lot of silly boys at that blog, that they show in every comment how inexperienced they are, and that no one knows those two points better than that blog’s host, who, btw, shows his frustration and hidden disdain for many of his readers within almost every single commentary aside or post he writes.

    Anyhow, I know the alt-right offers candor. YOU know that I know that everything you said in that last comment of yours that you directed at me that I already know. I don’t expect any particular deference; my only pressing goal re. all this is determining if I’ve come to some sort of logical endpoint here, alluded above, and what I may do with the writing and observations I’ve garnered over the last several years (along those lines, i’ve been spending some time breaking down some and embellishing some of the commentary I, you and others did at Guy White circa 2009-’10;

    btw: you see tonight’s Golden State game? Is the best-ever record – record theirs or not in your opinion?

  111. Regarding the premise of this post, I still disagree. The definitions I made for the tems I never made up, were in fact intended to be accurately descriptive of how these words are actually used, not to make new definitions for them. Defining a “religion” as something that automatically sustains it’s population I think is trying to redefine the word, like Thordaddy did with “nigger”.

    A religion is made by the process, not the outcome. The main world religions became what they are because they sustained their populations. But a death cult is still a religion and so is Scientology.

    Political Correctness IS a religion – a fanatical, intolerant, and hateful one, and based on lies and fear, but a religion nevertheless – and anti-racism IS one of it’s Jihads.

  112. what I may do with the writing and observations I’ve garnered over the last several years

    There is a market for that. The mainstream media needs to spin it, and the alt-right itself wants to get out of its shell.

    A hot topic and it’s not going away. That last part, that it is not going away, is the real crux of it.

    They originally tried to write us off as basement dwellers and old people dying, and more recently the new tack is to say that hip smart alt-righters are it turns out actually young and smart but that they are just in it for the lulz.

    The recent piece by the British homosexual jew with the Greek name, for instance. I did not read that article, but that is the latest mainstream media concession to our alt-right awesomeness.

    I have made this point before, and most recently regarding the Munk Debate in Canady with Steyn, that we are starting to win the arguments in the form of Identity. Simply by having more energy and charisma, we win.

    A picture of Sanders supporters versus and picture of Trump supporters, and it is clear who kicks whose ass. And the same thing happens online. When White America and White people everywhere eventually argue in the form of Identity? – at that point the argument is won, at that point there is no argument.

    Once we exist, what is the argument?

    *************

    So what does it mean to exist, then?

    That question is not metaphysical esoterica for LARPing basement racists, neither, it is right at the center of it.

    Because the life that we have, the life that we live, has not been inspiring enough for us to want to defend and propagate.

  113. “Because the life that we have, the life that we live, has not been inspiring enough for us to want to defend and propagate.”

    I don’t mean my own life; i mean America post 1950 aka suburbia aka the road to nowhere.

    That is my criticism of the alt-right, that they equate what our societies have become with White Civilization the Greatest Thing Ever on Earth: America Yeah!

    My example in a previous thread, of the commentariat at takimag taking the side of car-drivers against bike-riders on the common roadways. If the alt-right is on the side of cars versus bikes, then they deserve to lose.

    Talk about a new brand. The new brand is not driving around, the new brand is riding a bike. Get a clue, you-stupid-commenters-on-another-site.

  114. Anyways nikcrit, if you are serious about writing up your experiences, perhaps you might do it first in serial form here on this blog, PA willing?

    I think it is an excellent! idea, and have the same plan.

    A Reluctant Race Warrior: One Man’s Journey (or, how i learned to stop worrying)

  115. @elk,
    I am. RE. Serials or installments? Still undetermined; so far, the most re-appearing idea is to do some sorta single feat-writing mag overview, then use such as an outline for the long-form product —– which may or may not include piecemeal parts of the end result…. Still, way too early to determine; in the meantime, i’m overwhelmed by sifting through the ‘existing record’ so to speak; plus, i don’t even have ALL the exhaustive commenting record, yet it’s amazing to realize just how much wordage all those casual and random comments added up to over several years….. plus, i don’t do this full-time anymore and have to deal with while holding down 40-plus hr. unrelated work weeks…so, idk what’ll happen. a lot depends on what i route i decide to go career-wise overall in the next year or so.

  116. nikcrit

    Wow! Of the dozen or so times I’ve commented there, Eliot anecdotally struck me as the biggest jackass in that bloated comment string; HE called ME pretentious ——- this, from a guy who uses words like “folderol” and “enchafed” routinely in his comments.
    —————————————————————————————————————

    Maybe “smart” is not the best descriptive for him; but what do you call the only guy in the gym who doesn’t duck you (and talk behind your back) when its time to spar? Sure, I dropped fools right and left all day long at the Chateau, but I helped em get back up, had their back when they came under attack unjustly…

    To sum up; most white males get upset when you don’t play by THEIR rules (rules they design to limit your abilities)

    What I have learned is that these rules are no different that the rules ni66ers make up to feel good about themselves Some of them can be bent. Others can be broken. Bruce Lee referred to it as “style of no style.”

    I call it “fukc yo feelings and yo couch ni66a”

    When I say Greg Eliot was the smartest dude at the Chateau, Im not talking about a high score on some IQ test. There are plenty of white guys who score high on some intelligence test; but they basically suck in the exercise of the totality of the human experience; they got no game, they lack confidence, no leadership skills, don’t lift, suck at sports, are not clever, witty…

    You get the picture?

    You ridiculed me for engaging thordaddy; but he’s the only one here actually doing the difficult work of trying to build a logically consistent frame work for a coherent white world view; yeah, its a little raggedy, needs some refinement… but he’s not afraid to attempt it.

    Look, you can’t just be a bitch with a keyboard spewing walls of dogma because in the real world you might run into me; then want are you gonna do? Take a swing at me? As unwise as that choice is its basically the only one a white man has left when blog “daddy moderators” protect and prevent any challenge, questions or interrogation of their positions. In addition trying to discredit a message by claiming the messenger is nonwhite is another weak bitch move that betrays a lack of confidence in your own position ESPECIALLY on the internet where you are dependent on persons to self identify. This is called the argument from personal incredulity and its just a sophisticated form of ducking.

    Look,

    the white man is being attacked unjustly, I see it, I get it. The ultimate question is; what are YOU going to DO about it?

    Now: what does that question have to do with me?

    Its simple, Ive often found myself under attack unjustly; maybe the white man (with his high IQ) will come up with the BEST thing to DO about it?

    But then again, maybe he won’t?

    I see disturbing similarities between white nationalists and ni66ers in their methods of compensation. They both tend to get caught up in these “historical pep rallies…”

    Ni66ers: “we wuz kangs an kooweens in afreeka!; da permids!, da permids! we unvinid errthang and da eeebo white man dunt stoldit! waaaaaaaah…

    Racists: “we walked on the moon!, the IQ test!, the IQ test! We built the greatest civilization in the world and now the evil ooJ is stealing it! waaaaaaaah…

    Really?

    (((shakin my head)))

    I know what y’all thinkin: ” who are you to question our actions? You’re just a ni66er?”

    Yup; and thats my qualification. I know one when I see one.

    Game recognize game and right now you guys are lookin real familiar (except for thordaddy)

    *I’ll see you men on the beach*

  117. *I’ll see you men on the beach*

    That won’t work, we need separate living space.

    It is absolutely non-negotiable. It sounds hard-line, and hard to imagine selling in this current environment, but it is what it is.

    It won’t go away. White people have to be masters of their own domain. Not their own little houses and enclaves, but their entire domain.

    Until they have that, they are subject, and that will not work for them.

  118. That White people have to be masters of their own domains, is one of those germinating ideas that will not go away. That is what it is, that will not go away.

    There is no two-ways about it. They are either masters of their domain, or they are not.

    And don’t get sidetracked with the individual-versus-collective question. Whites have to be collectively masters of their own domain, and then their individual sovereignty exists within that.

  119. btw: you see tonight’s Golden State game? Is the best-ever record – record theirs or not in your opinion?

    I think GS should get the record pretty easily. The other night in Denver the Spurs sat Leonard, Aldridge, Green and Parker. They’ll probably do something similar tonight, they can’t catch GS in the standings. And then Golden State’s final game is against the rapidly collapsing Grizzlies, who have lost Marc Gasol for the rest of the season.

  120. “What I have learned is that these rules are no different that the rules ni66ers make up to feel good about themselves Some of them can be bent.”

    Yeah, it’s everything from amusing to amazing when witnessing how much in common supposed social enemies share….

    “You ridiculed me for engaging thordaddy; but he’s the only one here actually doing the difficult work of trying to build a logically consistent frame work for a coherent white world view;”

    Nope. you’re lacking a bit in historical context here; I’m a TD acolyte, though I do sometimes wonder why aloud; for the record, i’ve stated that i think he’s a ‘ruminating bottom’ in terms of his blog commentator value; i’d venture to say that guys like me, PA and certain other adults who sometimes pine for the more abstractly academic days of our past —— e.g., those now- irrelevant but nonetheless engaging philosophy classes —— actually like Thordaddy for his ability to revive such thoughts and muses.

    But he does drive folk crazy with his obtuse and obsessive verbiage. His respect stems from his sense of principle and moral integrity; he will not back down in putting forth his convictions and is not afraid of being unpopular or even ostracized.

  121. Political Correctness IS a religion – a fanatical, intolerant, and hateful one, and based on lies and fear, but a religion nevertheless – and anti-racism IS one of it’s Jihads.

    You are very correct, PC is a religion by every definition of the term – it’s got ritual practices, a sense of orthodoxy shaming, its own dogma/doctrine, a strict sense of what core ideas define adherents vs outsider and – most imporantly – a creation narrative, as well.

  122. p.s.@thwack,

    Re. Elliot; I don’t really know him or his avatar; I’m saying that the negative experience i anecdotally had with him was par for the course re. my experience and opinion at CH, period.

    I do stress that I’ve said that CH himself is a deft and nimble writer; i like his wit and prose but am put-off by his commetariat.

    Isn’t it clear that CH himself feels something similar? That was the first thing that jumped out at me when I first went there. lol!!

  123. @Nik re: CH
    Many of the regulars there are damn-near transparent in displaying their sexual hysteria and fear (and no, you don’t have to be some self-appointed shrink to see something that apparent).

    Yes, yes, I agree. It can be downright comical. A lot of the comments I see there make me doubt whether or not some of these folks have ever truly been around a 3-dimensional woman. (including CH himself) And many of the commenters seem to be bizarrely unaware of how much frustration and awkwardness seem to seep out of even the very posts where they make outlandish claims about various conquests they’ve made after the implementation of “game” into their repertoire.

  124. Maybe “smart” is not the best descriptive for him; but what do you call the only guy in the gym who doesn’t duck you (and talk behind your back) when its time to spar? Sure, I dropped fools right and left all day long at the Chateau, but I helped em get back up, had their back when they came under attack unjustly…

    Look, you can’t just be a bitch with a keyboard spewing walls of dogma because in the real world you might run into me; then want are you gonna do? Take a swing at me?

    To sum up; most white males get upset when you don’t play by THEIR rules (rules they design to limit your abilities)

    LMAO. Ok, player. You are straight out of a comic book, man. Seriously. Could you be any more of the online “science-dropping” negro TNB stereotype?

    Now I see why PA reacted so strongly when you arrived here the first time the other day.

  125. Thwack’s act is the street hussla who starts insulting the tourist’s style for not buying his fake rolex. It’s a one-note “you need muh street smarts” look-at-me plea. Heartiste comment threads degenerated from adults bantering to poo-flinging when Thwack had his free reign there.

  126. Why would you think that legal segregation — in the spirit of giving poorer Whites an opportunity for family formation and community in a hospitable environment — would be dehumanizing to Blacks?

    It’s an economic fact that family formation has gotten more expensive. This is in part due to the fact that families are spending more on real estate simply to get into a good (aka “white”) school district. We should be maximizing tax benefits to young married couples who are having kids. Instead, we are essentially paying Shaniqua to pump out baby after baby with multiple daddies, in the form of Section 8 vouchers, Medicaid, food stamps, EBT, “disbility”, ect… It’s been estimated that a shrewd brood sow can collect well over $60,000 a year in gibsmedats. As a white male I am essentially subsidizing the poor reproductive choices of a large swath of a completely unproductive segment of society.

    As I mentioned in a previous thread, a school and park across the street from me is being converted into a low income housing project. This is in a very pleasant inner ring suburb with stable but not astronomical real estate. It’s construction is being funded by some kind of tax credit scheme that is part of the Obama administration’s larger plan to move more Section 8 vouchers into the white suburbs. (Steve Sailer has written quite a bit about this)

    I decided to “follow the money” to figure out how this whole shakedown works. The FedGov doles out billions each year in what are called “low-income housing tax credits” (LIHTC). These tax credits are then used by “non-profit” developers to build affordable housing (i.e. Section 8 reserved units), however because they are technically non-profit, they are unable to directly take advantage of the tax credit. This is where the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), comes in. This is a law that regulates bank lending practices in order to force them to lend to a more … uh … vibrant … demographic. A bank like Chase, which does not operate in the sub-prime market, can purchase the LIHTC tax credit from the “non-profit” housing developer. This is exactly what has transpired in my neighborhood. A sleazy real estate developer and Chase bank line their pockets with taxpayer dollars, while Shaniqua and her 6 keeeeids gets plopped down in the middle of a nice neighborhood with stable real estate.

  127. It is another example of hubris. People can’t be made into what they are not. – Elk

    Really! But just why is such an eminently simply and reasonable statement so routinely ignored by our bureaucratic elite today? -Nik

    Exactly! I’ve been saying this for a long time. The fact is, to be a humanist, you must see people as they are and not how YOU want them to be.

    The bureaucratic elite has a hard time seeing past it’s own nose and is unable to realize that maaaaybe not everyone WANTS to be just like them. Most of the country simply could not give 2 shits about IQ, or “the gap” or academic credentials. It’s all about what you can DO on the job. For bureaucrats, very little of their job has anything to do with producing tangible outcomes, so they end up obsessing over their academic credentials and CV as a form of social competition.

    I highly recommend the book “Real Education” by Charles Murray. It’s a quick, easy read, but so refreshingly chock full of common sense.

    Hubris indeed; America has forgotten how to champion its various classes; a comedy of class resentments, you might say..

    Camille Paglia once wrote:
    “Physical labor, as a concrete skill occupation, is free of the soul-destroying office politics suffers by the Marxists’ demonized managerial class, who take their jobs home with them and are in a continual funk of anxiety and neurosis. … Unharried weekend leisure time is the center of working-class American life in ways the academic Marxists, resentfully marking papers and endlessly pressed for time, simply don’t see.”

  128. “Racism” is a word made up by Leon Trotsky. That, which the word aims to pathologize, came first because it is another word for “natural.” — PA

    The left’s definition of racism has now metastasized into an all-encompasing supernatural force, like the Dark Side in Star Wars. In mandatory “race/class/gender” intro PC indoctrination courses, racism is defined as “the exercise of one’s white privilege, conscious or unconscious.” Or “participating in the systemic myth of white supremacy” or some vague bullshit like that.

    I define racism as “low trust and low cooperation between groups” it’s not only a pervasive human trait but also a pretty healthy one because it supports social bonding.

  129. So, perhaps that may be strong signal that I should back off a bit, or that some logical end be nearing for my ‘halfrican’ lobbying and critique of the Alt-right.

    Maybe you should check out Robert Lindsay’s blog
    https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com

    He considers himself to be “Alt-Left,” a race realist with a more progressive outlook. His blog offers the candor and the intimacy of a smaller circle of regular commenters that you appreciate.

  130. It’s fascinating at this latest date that so very few high IQ “white” males of the alt-rite niche PUT THEMSELVES at Final Liberation. Things have so rapidly descended in terms of the “white” male’s psychological state that it seems very few of “us” still remember Liberalism as “nondiscrimination and tolerance” and the attempt to socially construct a “new (white) man,” ie., perfect the (white) man. And that when this was all said and done… When the liberation process was final, the new (white) man WAS SIMPLY DERACINATED…. The new (white) man was conditioned and educated to believe “race” means nothing. So it is significant that “racism” now means SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS to so many different people as to effectively mean nothing at all. Liberated language… How can “we” communicate with such a “thing?” And because “we” really are that much closer to Final Liberation then the ruse of an emergent “race-realist” alt-rite CHANGES NOTHING… This high IQ cabal has simply worked to muddy the meaning of “racism” so as to make it meaningless at the realm of the collective . Whereas, in a real game, the white man says that racism is the love of the fathers and anti-racism is a hatred for the fathers.

    AND THEN HE POUNDS THIS MEANING HOME!!!

  131. *A bank like Chase, which does not operate in the sub-prime market, can purchase the LIHTC tax credit from the “non-profit” housing developer. . . and thus improve it’s CRA rating without lending directly to the subprime buyer. In this way the bank shoves the downside risk off onto taxpayer who pays for the Section 8 vouchers.

  132. When someone calls *you* a “racist,” they are, in passive liberal-speak, calling *you* a “white supremacist” such that EVEN IF *you* are a Japanese scientist or a real red blogger/author/Evil dark “lord,” the accusation is to not be like a “white supremacist.” And of course, for most, all their mind can conjure up immediately following this mental assault is whether or not this means they possess a blanket hatred for “blacks?” So not only is one being externally framed, but one is being internally framed all the same. Double framed DUE ONLY A FAULTY AND LIBERATED conception of “race” and “racism…” And thus “white” and “white Supremacy.”

  133. “Maybe you should check out Robert Lindsay’s blog”

    I did comment on that blog once; in fact, it was suggested by the old, non-GL-Piggy ‘Chuck’ at his Lesacre du Temps blog, which you and I used to comment on. chuck was the one who told me about Lindsay; back then, around 2011, he had very spotty and intermittent posting and commenting; i was surprised to see how current his blog is today, upon your suggestion today…In any case, I think i’m sorta a-political at this point; i could live with a Sanders-Buchanan ticdket —– and in fact I truly believe that is the only way possible to transcend the predictable and at this late date farcical ‘gridlock’ and ‘controversey’ that such a polemics-busting ticket would create. I’m more and more of the belief that peterike promotes here: that issues like gay marriage-vs-legal-unions and tranny public restroom rights and other irrelevant but emotional issues are solely used to divide the electorate from bipartisan fiscal rape and pillaging of the U.S. treasury.

  134. MGE
    “As a white male I am essentially subsidizing the poor reproductive choices of a large swath of a completely unproductive segment of society.”

    As a white what?

  135. thordaddy
    “So it is significant that “racism” now means SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS to so many different people as to effectively mean nothing at all. “
    As I said, lack of faith in politically correct doctrine concerning race. Unbelief in our enemies’ vision can take nearly infinite forms.

  136. — Political Correctness IS a religion – a fanatical, intolerant, and hateful one, and based on lies and fear, but a religion nevertheless – and anti-racism IS one of it’s Jihads.

    Thordaddy’s definition of “religion” requires it to be true, therefore Christianity is a religion, all other creeds are not.

    My definition separates the thing itself (religion) from the mimicry thereof. As an analogy, take the word “education.” An SJW with a masters degree in Wyminz Studies has paid tuition, attended classes at a university campus, listened to lecturers, mastered a set of internally-consistent concepts, read her reading assignments and written reports in exchange for grades that culminated in a diploma. Yet — no reasonable person would call her “educated” or regard the process she underwent as an education.

    One common notion about religion is that they all begin as cults, and don’t become religions until enough time has passed to indicate that the cult increases the evolutionary fitness of its faithful. By this view, Mormonism is a religion, but the Jim Jones cult was not. Religions are rooted in Truth – in secular/material terms, in being aligned with human nature and its survival imperative. A failed cult will more often than not be an episode of mass hysteria, not the same thing as religion.

  137. And the reason “we” must push the issue PAST whether a “thing” is a religion or not IS BECAUSE under the dominant oppression of “universal equality” this is the DESIRED STOPPING POINT of the zeitgeist. In other words, the decision to take disparate “things” and make them categorically equal in the minds of the masses for what ultimately ends in a diminishing of truth in the service of a collective fallacy is the very EFFECT of claiming anti-racism a “religion” without the caveat that it is, at best, a false religion and that such distinction should be made. There is simply NO ROOM for a high IQ “white” male TO STOP at whether anti-racism is a religion or not. Having claimed it so, he must then state whether it is a true religion or a false religion and why it is either/or?

    My take is that it is more truthful and effectual to claim it not a religion at all. Anti-racism just is anti-father… In all it manifestations. A full blown hatred for all things “father…” Not a discipline even able to rise to the level of false religion. Anti-racism is a certain disposition that hides in multitude of ways.

    [that last paragraph is spot-on — PA]

  138. I decided to “follow the money” to figure out how this whole shakedown works. The FedGov doles out billions each year in what are called “low-income housing tax credits” (LIHTC).

    Obama advisor Valerie Jarrett was a longtime urban real estate investor and slumlord who became head of Chicago’s public housing authority at one time. During her time in that office her personal wealth increased by over $10 milliion.

  139. I used to visit Robert Lindsay’s blog five or so years ago when Matt Forney under his old alias used to link to it. Lindsey in fact has a post up now about the Alt-Left. I’m not clear on what Alt-Left is. You have the bad-physiognomy Bernie supporters. You have old-school socialists who see (correctly) that mainstream Left as incarnated by the Democrats are warmongering bankers. Alt-Left, which Lindsey says is limited to 3 or 4 blogs appears to be something that appeals to someone with is an atheist with a highly abstracting thinking style and very low empathy score. I’m saying this with very cursory familiarity with Lindsey’s writing and no familiarity with others in that group. An element of Anti-Racism is there. Not sure how it plays into their proscriptive vision, with alt-Right understanding that the Diversity+Proximity=War formula requires separation.

  140. From Cam’s link: this reads like spoof, parody, farce…

    “The politician reveals that he struggled to come to terms with being a heterosexual male rape victim, and subsequently self-medicated with alcohol and cannabis……
    ‘My life fell into ruin, but now I feel guilty about him being sent out of the country.’
    He reveals how he was called up by the prison shortly before the perpetrator was to be deported to Somalia, having served 4.5 years in prison for the rape.
    ‘I felt relief and happiness that he would be gone forever. I felt like the Norwegian State had taken responsibility to carry out the ultimate revenge, like an angry father confronting it’s child’s attacker.
    ‘But I also had a strong feeling of guilt and responsibility. I was the reason that he would not be in Norway anymore, but rather sent to a dark uncertain future in Somalia
    He adds: I see him mostly like a product of an unfair world, a product of an upbringing marked by war and despair.

    Maybe cases like this one and the Biehl case happen because of a certain psychological tendency: these victims grow up in relatively safer, more harmonious environments —— but that don’t see any empirical reason why that is so and cannot simply accept that mere Divine Luck is the reason.

    So they project inward with guilt and anxiety, which compels them to project outward a self-defeating and self-sacrificing empathy that doesn’t contain barriers for the preservation of their very being.

    That’s a mouthful, but that would explain the element of hysteria and panicky set of actions that always seem to come with such tails. I don’t know how else to explain it.

  141. Camlost: Anonymous Conservative covered that case. He’s the r/K selection blogger. He explained how cowardice and surrender are a Darwinian fitness strategy of weak individuals. According to his take, they couldn’t ever hope to compete with their K-selected compatriots, so they invite a foreign predator in a move calculated to kill off the stronger/braver honor-driven natives, allowing the r-strategist to survive by submitting to the invader.

  142. He explained how cowardice and surrender are a Darwinian fitness strategy of weak individuals. According to his take, they couldn’t ever hope to compete with their K-selected compatriots, so they invite a foreign predator in a move calculated to kill off the stronger/braver honor-driven natives, allowing the r-strategist to survive by submitting to the invader.

    Ah, that does make sense. However, in the animal world, that cowardly “surrender” individual would get punished for this unmasculine survival strategy by being deprived of the chance to mate, but in the real world idiots like this have votes. (or even actual political offices, like in this particular case)

    So they project inward with guilt and anxiety, which compels them to project outward a self-defeating and self-sacrificing empathy that doesn’t contain barriers for the preservation of their very being.

    Yeah, I’d agree. There’s a certain softness and lack of a sense of danger concerning out-groups along with an element of twisted altruism – with Northern/Western Europeans having the highest natural altuism on the planet.

  143. Obama advisor Valerie Jarrett was a longtime urban real estate investor and slumlord who became head of Chicago’s public housing authority at one time. During her time in that office her personal wealth increased by over $10 milliion.

    Really? That explains a lot. I fucking hate that bitch even more now.

    True story: I worked a brief stint at HUD, right out of college, for a local housing authority. What I saw there disgusted me and I left before a year was up. The low level workers were lazy union employees who never pulled their weight and the management was notoriously corrupt. Rumors were always flying around about the latest kickback scheme. I concluded that HUD not only serves as ghetto housing provider, but a lot of cold hard cash flows into the hood through backchannels of that bureaucracy.. I don’t know if you saw the Wire, but the money man for Stringer Bell’s real estate empire was a HUD exec.

    Another true story that confirmed my initial experience with that agency: The public housing director of the suburb I now live in was arrested last year for burglarizing HUD homes and stealing pain pills. Shortly after that, she was arrested for driving drink. And even after all this, she managed to negotiate A ONE YEAR SEVERANCE PAY OF $130,000!!! (Her usual salary was $140,000)

  144. Looking at that Robert Linsdsay blog it seems as if his whole shtick is to acknowledge much about HBD and IQ differences along ethnic lines but to focus on arguing that the gap is not only a more fluid notion than what evil racists think, but also to argue that it is closing due to environment. And he’s cherry picked a lot of articles to help support his claim.

    Yawn.

  145. I’m more and more of the belief that peterike promotes here: that issues like gay marriage-vs-legal-unions and tranny public restroom rights and other irrelevant but emotional issues are solely used to divide the electorate from bipartisan fiscal rape and pillaging of the U.S. treasury.

    What do you mean irrelevant?! If Caitlyn Jenner ever goes to South Carolina, where is she supposed to take a leak? Lol!

    I kinda agree with you and peterike on that… but I guess I’m just not close enough to the levers of power to see how it all goes down. I mean does Sen. Lee Bright or whoever get together with Nikki Haley and a smoke filled room and conjure up some absurd scheme to distract people so they won’t notice they are scamming taxpayers? It has to be more subtle than that.

  146. What do you mean irrelevant?! If Caitlyn Jenner ever goes to South Carolina, where is she supposed to take a leak? Lol!

    In the capitol building. Bruce Jenner identifies itself as a Republican !!

  147. Bruce Jenner identifies itself as a Republican !!

    Haha that’s true apparently Cait is a huge Cruz supporter and has come out publicly against gay marriage. What a clown world we live in… or maybe I’m just getting old!

  148. “…his whole shtick is to acknowledge much about HBD and IQ differences along ethnic lines but to focus on arguing that the gap is not only a more fluid notion than what evil racists think, but also to argue that it is closing due to environment…”

    Yeah, I couldn’t get into him, either, back when I first was introduced to his stuff; i tried, too, because I was then more anxious to find a sort-of liberal reckoning with HBD, falsely assuming that one urge couldn’t be reconciled with the other. But i couldn’t bite; Lindsay looks like the kind of guy the right likes to stereotype onto libs —— this sorta humorless Rick Moranis-lookalike earnestness.
    And when you get the guy talking about women and SMV among the sexes, all his twerpy resentments and he starts to sound like commenting string at CH when the boys are having one of their boner-comparing slumber parties.

  149. Northern/Western Europeans having the highest natural altuism on the planet.

    There is a subset of educated Polish 70s-era émigrés whose favorite sport (when among Polish-speakers) is bashing everything about their native country and culture. It almost comes off as their rationalization for having so radically changed their life in ways that included leaving/abandoning their parents, severing the family generationally, taking an initial status and lifestyle hit in America, and so on. And there is the legitimate resentment of Communist-era hardships. Anyway, I cross paths occasionally with such an older person and most recently, he regaled me at length about the shoddy job some under-the-table Polish technician did. He wasn’t complaining, so much as triumphantly validating his universal theory of everything about Poland sucking. Finally, he segues into the somewhat valid recounting of bureaucratic bullshit, general rudeness, and petty corruption in Poland, and contrasting it with how Americans / Swedes/ English are so much more honest / nice / efficient / whatever. So I told him that in the aggregate, every nationality has its strengths that become weaknesses under some conditions, and weaknesses that become strengths under other conditions, and that the admirable qualities of NW Europeans are hacked against them right now while some of our EE backwardness serves as a barrier to being taken advantage of.

  150. this sorta humorless Rick Moranis-lookalike earnestness.

    My impression too. Intelligent, even interesting, but I was put off by his apparent lack of empathy. There is an offputting coldness in the ageing-bachelor high-IQ atheist/leftist types.

  151. PA – did you ever see this article by Roosh?:

    http://www.rooshv.com/polish-girls-vs-ukrainian-girls

    LOL

    One thing I’ve been meaning to ask you for a long time. There’s something enduringly youthful about the face of many Polish girls even after they have left puberty. They have the super high cheekbones, but just a little bit of chubby, slightly rounded, puffy cuteness in the cheeks themselves, but not in the fat girl way. I guess I can’t describe it very well, and I can’t really put my finger on it, but I know it when I see it because I can usually pick out women on screen who “look Polish.”

    And it’s extremely common to Polish and Baltic blondes, not as prevalent with other Europeans. German women tend to have more linear/straighter and less softly feminine lines in the cheeks, and Russian/Ukrainian girls tend to have faces that are more drawn, almost gaunt in the cheeks and jawline.

    Is this a thing with Polish girls or am I just imagining this?

    Joanna Krupa has that look:

    This less hot Polish girl has it, too:

  152. Lindsay looks like the kind of guy the right likes to stereotype onto libs —— this sorta humorless Rick Moranis-lookalike earnestness.

    Zing. He is a zealot but not compelling. What can be inspiring about the same old leftist stuff anyways. There is a niche though, for an alternative left, something that incorporates HBD and the rest of human nature.

  153. Is this a thing with Polish girls or am I just imagining this?

    I dunno… they do have a look that appears in the hotter as well as less-attractive girls. I know a few gaunt-faces ones as well though…

  154. Below is from his recent post about Indians (curry, not maize). I haven’t read him enough to get a bearing on his views, other than a few visits five years ago. I’ve seen him both excoriate “racism” and use hyperbolic language to excoriate a race.

    As with the other things that were mentioned here this weekend, certain things are a distraction. Old Left, as Elk says, what can be inspiring about it? There are plenty of Right blogs that don’t shy away from harsh and direct language without the bizarre leftism or (inconsistently) anti-racist baggage.

    The quote about Indians:

    Nevertheless, most of the Indians I have known were pretty awful human beings in many ways. Most were also good people too, but the bad was so bad that I didn’t want to have anything to do with them. Bottom line is most Indians and especially the high caste ones are more or less psychopaths. We have a similar complaint against ghetto Blacks in the US that many of them are sociopathic.

    Cottoning to these Indians is like developing a fondness for ghetto Blacks. Their behavior is nasty, awful and repulsive. They lie, cheat and steal. They cannot be trusted. They are frighteningly racist in a very backwards way. They have a hatred of Whites and Christians that is near psychotic levels. They are wildly competitive. They will stab you in the back in a heartbeat. To most of them, you are just an obstacle on the way to success to be destroyed as you are in their path.

    Their degrees are worthless, as all the universities are corrupt. They are unbelievably dirty people. Their callousness is sickening. Their nationalism has a weird, frightening almost unhinged feel to it. Most of them are full of hate. These are just soulless, blackhearted human beings. If you want to know what happens when a human society loses almost all of its values and becomes utterly degenerate and wicked, just look at India. It’s the end of the road for human behavior.

  155. “so they invite a foreign predator in a move calculated to kill off the stronger/braver honor-driven natives, allowing the r-strategist to survive by submitting to the invader.”

    Yeah, but if he did this, it seems to me that, once the stronger-willed Norwegian was killed off or taken care of in whatever way, than that conniving lesser Norwegian would become even easier prey of the foreign felon invader, no?

  156. As A.C. theorized, this is an unconscious process and the typical r-selected wretch like the guy in the article who felt bad about his rapist getting deported would be horrified by and deny this interpretation. Maybe the subconscious operating idea is that the predator will neutralize the native alpha but won’t bother harming him if his submission is abject enough… like lobbying to not deport his rapist.

  157. I know that this isn’t logical in terms of cost-benefits. The native alpha does not actively bother the wretch; however, the alpha’s very existence is a statement to the wretch’s low status in a way that an alien predator’s presence can never be.

  158. That “wretch” strategy does play out, when you look for it. First pop-culture example that comes to mind is the movie Revenge of the Nerds. There, the popular Alpha Beta fraternity terrorizes the nerds in ways that anyone who has ever been in high school or college knows is unrealistic — in real life the popular in-group ignores lowest-status cliques, rather than bothering them.

    But the movie had to paint them as demons, and then show the nerds get their comeuppance on the Alpha Betas by bringing in a completely neither-here-nor-there (in terms of the plot) army-sized Black fraternity to intimidate the Alpha Betas with.

  159. According to his take, they couldn’t ever hope to compete with their K-selected compatriots, so they invite a foreign predator in a move calculated to kill off the stronger/braver honor-driven natives, allowing the r-strategist to survive by submitting to the invader.

    Also, collaborators are often motivated by the same sorts of weakness – the inability to compete in the current hierarchy and the holding of petty grudges are often cited as motivating factors for collaborators who are later caught and questioned. Their twisted reasoning is they they’re willing to bring in an outsider to smash the current order if it somehow improves their standing or gives them revenge/power over others that they couldn’t normally achieve on their own.

  160. “I was a TA and tutor during my stint in grad school and I always appreciated a student who was genuinely thinking about the subject.”

    Yeah, I did too. Y’know, I don’t know what the deal is at all other schools, but i was really amazed at how much work is put upon the TA ,and in some cases how absolutely little the titular prof does in the execution of some courses. I mean, you’d often have a format in which the TA slave would handle the shorter study sections twice a week, while the name bigtime prof poobah would deliver a lecture once a week to all three different study sections —– yet even there, you’d sometimes see profs delegating and relegating, with the TA taking up time running down some rote instructions or manning the overhead, with the prof barely doing 20 minutes of talking….. That’s probably fairly common, but pretty outrageous at some of these big-brand schools where the profs themselves are quantified into the tuition and status branding….. My theory is, the more subjective and hypothetical fields —- e.g., Journalism, lit an other humanities M.A.’s, as obtained by yours truly —— the more you see this kind of shortchanging, while those more competitive law and med school grads wouldn’t put up with that shite and administrative overseers would call it out much quicker if it did rear its ugly-ass head.

    I’d do a lot of stuff differently if i could have it back, probably taking on a j.d. over a silly M.A., but i still have fond memories of grad school. Real precious at times.

  161. re. PA’s 9:57 comment: thtat disparaging quote re. Indians: Is that Lindsay you’re quoting? I don’t see how that could be passed off as ‘liberal,’ at least by the familiar mythologies and creation myths based in that term’s modern parlance.

  162. So I told him that in the aggregate, every nationality has its strengths that become weaknesses under some conditions, and weaknesses that become strengths under other conditions, and that the admirable qualities of NW Europeans are hacked against them right now while some of our EE backwardness serves as a barrier to being taken advantage of.

    I think I often do something similar in certain situations —– but I extend the compensatory ‘relative comparing’ onto Asians and NAMs as well….. ‘every culture has its ideal situational circumstance, but it also has its antithesis to that in moments too.

    Needless to say, that sometimes turns out to be rather cold comfort. lolz.

  163. Lindsay describes himself as an “Independent Leftist Writer” but that rant about Indians leads me to believe that he’s done business with them stateside in the technology world, and probably in the H-1b arena. The part where he rants about Indian degrees is particularly telling and I’ve heard it many times – and Lindsay surely wouldn’t be criticizing what he calls the “worthless” degrees bestowed upon Indians if those obtaining them were still in India, rather than here.

    And yes, Indians can be a “tricky” bunch to do business with, to say the least.

  164. cam,
    so he’s talking about EAST Indians, and the ‘worthless degrees’ he’s ranting about are obtained in India?
    I wonder why he would encounter such types, a likely tenured prof in social sciences? Aren’t most H-1b’s in some IT field?

    I’m not sure i’m clear on who’s speaking of whom here; you guys keep picking up and moving along the rant but i’m not sure i got the premises straight on this string.

  165. Regarding the Norwegian and the Somali – it is hard to believe that it was “rape rape” and not homosex with mental illness aftereffects mixed in.

    The Norwegian was a basket case to begin with and now he is worse, but there is something about using such examples of the very most sickest and craziest people, to shore up the narrative, that is “not true.”

    There is always crazy, always will be. But now the craziest (sickest) people on the face of the earth are put up in front of us as examples.

    Not sure what my point is, except the question, What are they examples of? they are just the 90 per cent of the formless shapeless mass of humanity whose lifestory is entirely up for grabs, and in this day and age it is wrapped in shit.

    The Norwegian is not even crazy and sick, is my point. He is just … up for grabs. He just goes along with whatever is out there. And even now his worldwide online confessional is more of the same.

  166. Lindsay talks about (East) Indians in this post:

    https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/04/07/an-hbd-defense-of-the-caste-system/

    The stuff that PA quoted above is 2/3 down the page.

    so he’s talking about EAST Indians, and the ‘worthless degrees’ he’s ranting about are obtained in India?
    I wonder why he would encounter such types, a likely tenured prof in social sciences? Aren’t most H-1b’s in some IT field?

    Yeah, I somehow think he’s dealt with Tech Indians somewhere along the line, but I’m not sure. The two major rants against Indians from Americans within the IT field is that they are low-trust, shady people who will gladly break a handshake deal for an extra dollar the next day, and that their education system is a sham and geared towards cranking out tons of underqualified automatons who lie on their resume.

    H-1B visas are NOT issued within social sciences or liberal arts, only in fields where there is an alleged “talent gap” – technology, engineering or some specialized types of medecine or accounting/finance.

  167. But they simply can be considered different Life Strategies that exist as potentials within any population.

    Under some circumstances the rabbit strategy is more effective and under others the wolves do better. But those totem strategies exist within the same animal, and how they are brought out is by their circumstances and what might be considered epigenetics.

    “It’s not a strict one-to-one.”

    As far as explanations go, how are Africans considered K-competitors to the Norwegian wolves? That would not seem to make sense. Africans are simply more aggressive r’s that for some reason have buffaloed the Norwegian wolves.

    r-behavior is conciliatory and belly-up. Like an animal they will expose their soft underside in the hope that the more aggressive will then know that they are not a threat and do not have to rip them apart. Sometimes it doesn’t work though and they get ripped apart.

    Remember Call of the Wild, where some dogs would try that with the feral dogs-become-wolves, and they would be killed instantly. Whereas those dogs who put up a fight would be let into the pack, even if they were not the biggest and baddest.

  168. “r-behavior is conciliatory and belly-up”

    As I think Rushton’s theory went, the r-selected are cowardly when alone or outnumbered but vicious when enjoying numeric advantage or protection.

    As to the native-Norwegian “rabbit” strategy of neutralizing his compatriot “wolves” through immigration — the thing Anonymous Conservative pointed out about how the cowardice is a subconscious strategy and he’d vehemently deny that this is what he’s doing… This reminds me of that Vaclav Havel “greengrocer’s sign” essay. In it, Havel points out how displaying a Communist slogan sign is a gesture of submission to the regime, but it’s an indirect gesture, as no person would openly say “I am afraid therefore obedient.” Thus, the plausible deniability of displaying a slogan sign.

    Similarly, “rabbits” don’t say “I want the Somalian to eradicate the masculine Norwegian but spare me on account of my cowardice.” Instead, the rabbit displays his own “greengrocer’s sign” of anti-racism and compassion rhetoric.

  169. “So I told him that in the aggregate, every nationality has its strengths that become weaknesses under some conditions, and weaknesses that become strengths under other conditions, and that the admirable qualities of NW Europeans are hacked against them right now while some of our EE backwardness serves as a barrier to being taken advantage of.”

    FWIW, I think there’s some real interesting stuff to delve into based on the above observation; as i said yesterday, I often formulate a similar view but extend it wider in terms of race. I’m sure some of that is to assuage certain personal feelings, but there’s some real objective merit there as well, especially when you fit your observation into other social-sci theories, a la Rushton, etc. The key interest or value is the mutual recognition of both strengths and weaknesses, whether intra-ethnic or intra-nationalistic

  170. The more I read that blog by Robert Lindsay the more clear it is to me that he is a relic of the somewhat conservative and grounded, intellectual whites of the old generation Democratic party of the 1968 to 2000 age. He is harshly critical of PC orthodoxy yet doesn’t want to be called a “racist” himself and loves throwing the “Nazi” term at other people. Conversely though, he doesn’t beat around the bush when it comes to calling out minorities or other cultures for what he feels to be bad behavior or “backwardness”.

    He also boldly acknowledges that intelligence differences exist between the races “at the present” and states that IQ tests are a good measurement of that trait. And, most bizarrely, he still calls himself a nominal “christian” although he doesn’t seem to want to discuss that part much in depth.

    But the NEW Democratic party is swinging far to the left and “noticing” is no longer okay, – no criticisms can be leveled at non-whites. As the Democratic Party continues to darken and people like Lindsay pass away, the party will go completely off the rails and they will be replaced by those with little restraint and no vestigial desire to still respect some historic American istitutions – the craziness and hysterics of groups like BLM and #Occupy are just the beginning.

    After Hillary and Bernie pass off the national scene there’s going to be tremendous uproar in the Democratic Party about running older, white candidates for any high office.

    You’re the last of your kind, buddy. Enjoy it while it lasts. Those who replace you on the left won’t give a crap about honoring your memory or the balance you tried to show in your ideals.

  171. — Those who replace you on the left won’t give a crap about honoring your memory or the balance you tried to show in your ideals.

    In that Darkness at Noon book I quote in the original post, both of the Bolshevik intellectuals — protagonist Rubashov and his interrogator Ivanov — come to understand that the revolution that they started in what in their minds was on the highest of principles, is being taken over by the brutish peasant types as represented by Ivanov’s underling named Gletkin.

  172. 1) Eliot is a jackass; my introduction to him had him gratuitously referring to me as “Sambo” —– before we had even debated anything. To me, that is a sign of no class and low ingenuity. –nikcrit
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    nikcrit, your observation is correct, but his behavior is also a kind of back handed compliment. It works like this: When Eliot is hit with a logical argument from a non white person, he always starts his response by trying to remind readers the petitioner is nonwhite; hence the racial name calling. He has to attempt to discredit the message by discrediting the messenger because the logic of the message stands on it own. He used it on all the nonwhite commenters at the Chateau.

    Its actually an old white mans game. Eliot is retired and pushing 70. “Sambo”, “Hattie” and “step-n-fechit” are examples of the quite dated racial euphemisms he deployed and I suspect some of the younger and foreign whites didn’t always get it. I forgive Eliot for this desperate debate technique, he’s a fighter, he has a lot of heart and his only other option was to concede. He’s like the white Marvin Hagler.

    BTW– did they ever call you a joo?

    Thats the ultimate proof your argument is devastating and your logic airtight. Sometimes entire threads would disintegrate into discussions of my identity; but even this behavior is also a form of deflection. Finally out of desperation, some of them even tried to declare me female AND jooish; their imaginations really started to get the best of them. These racist even accuse each other of being joos just because they disagree on the BEST thing to do. Whats next, busting caps in each others asses like ni66ers?

    People like CH and PA fault me for their white readers irrational and hysterical reactions to my simple logic. They accuse me of “disrupting” their blogs when they really should be thanking me for revealing weaknesses in their game?

    For example:

    Suburban_elk
    *I’ll see you men on the beach*
    That won’t work, we need separate living space.
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    No you don’t, because how separate is “separate?” What about all the white mans air being breathe up through ni66er nostrils? What about all the white mans water passing through ni66er urinary tracts?
    The white man claims he wants separation; but he won’t leave ni66ers alone?
    Africa, Asia, Arabia, Central/South America… its the white man who is unwilling to separate from nonwhite people. Think about it?
    PA could go back to Poland and live in a 99% white country, get a 100% white wife, have a bunch of 100% white children… and just overdose on whiteness all fukcing day long?
    But noooooooo; what does he do instead?
    He moves to the United States, a historically nonwhite country (probably Pee-gee county) and whines about mudslides, sand storms and “14 words…”
    Sometimes I suspect guys like him may not be as white as they say they are; and therefore need to have black people in proximity in order to be accepted as white by other white people; amirite?
    (interestingly, this may be why so many white people like to go help black people in Africa; their greatest fear is to be working at a refugee camp in Greece and have another white person walk up to them and hand them a “care package” LOL)
    Think about it?
    Is Suburban Elk gonna just sit by while the chinks build a nuclear reactor on the U.S/Mexican border? When it melts down and begins spewing radiation into the U.S is he still gonna be talking this “separate living space” nonsense? What about the Gulf of MEXICO filling up with a toxic sludge of used mexican tampons, chinese medical waste, and burrito wrappers?
    When it comes to dreams the racists are worse than MLK. (((shakin my head)))
    To sum up; white people became rich and powerful when they expanded into non white areas and interacted with nonwhite people; and its still true today. If white people “take their ball and go home” its game over for THEM, not us; because instead of ni66ers for breakfast, they will hafta eat each other.

    “White people have to be masters of their own domain. Not their own little houses and enclaves, but their entire domain.” — Suburban Elk
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    Well Duh?
    they already got that? White people run the entire planet. You can’t even go into outer space without the permission of white people because they DECIDE who is allowed to build rockets and who isn’t (hello North Korea? Hello Iran?)

    Nikcrit, if you want your own blog but are reluctant to take on the solo burden of management and content, Im in the same boat. I have lots of content; but can’t always commit to daily operations, moderation… It you are interested in sharing one, I would seriously consider it?
    Im interested in compensating for the fact all blogs seem to suffer from the same flaw; despite the nobility of their beginnings, they all eventually morph into dogma incubators that retard the free exchange of views; this includes “robert Lindsey” (is he even white?)
    The truth is black and ugly, thats why nobody wants it until its all thats left.
    There needs to be a blog that starts with truth instead of trying to avoid it with “walls of dogma”; where did all these crybabies come from?
    Increasingly the entire internet is turning into “Planet of the Bitches.”

    [good luck if you go for it. Warning: blogging is more difficult than commenting. If you want to have one commenter and three readers (2 of them being your friends), go into it self-indulgently. If you want to attract and keep interesting commenters and tons of readers around the world, blogging becomes a full time job that you compress into during whatever scraps of free time you find. — PA]

  173. Thwack…

    You are inexplicably lumping all “whites” into the radically liberated category thus mandating any and all separation as automatically verboten. Some whites WANT TO SEPARATE from liberal “whites” SUBSEQUENTLY creating automatic separation from “blacks.” “We” call these whites, white Supremacists, BECAUSE they refuse to be forcefully integrated into what amounts to a system of perpetuating self-annihilation. So although you “see” the truth of many “whites” desiring a self-annihilating assimilation into the “other,” there are still those whites with a completely antithetical mindset to the mad “white” liberationist. You don’t seem to give this particularly rare white archetype much deep thought? His general relationship to the “black” collective is simply a stark conclusion that said “black” collective is a deleterious obstacle to the Truth. Separation is a given. But the line of separation is far more complex.

  174. “nikcrit, your observation is correct, but his behavior is also a kind of back handed compliment.”

    Hmmm. Ok, I’ll accept your opinion on that. But if you don’t mind, I think I’ll decline to, umm, ‘concur.’ lolzz.

    “Its actually an old white mans game. Eliot is retired and pushing 70. “Sambo”, “Hattie” and “step-n-fechit” are examples of the quite dated racial euphemisms he deployed and I suspect some of the younger and foreign whites didn’t always get it”

    True dat, I did sorta wonder about that; I thought maybe I had stepped back into the days of “Mandingo,” when he went into some of his, umm, “mulatto shorthand,” e.g. “Sambo.”

    “Nikcrit, if you want your own blog but are reluctant to take on the solo burden of management and content, Im in the same boat. I have lots of content; but can’t always commit to daily operations, moderation… It you are interested in sharing one, I would seriously consider it?”

    No, I’m waaay over-extended myself. And oddly enough, I’m being sort-of modestly compensated to NOT have my own blog and to offer my five-cents-worth about various future blog formats and presentations…. Overall, despite any practical impediments, I think my value and worth is currently more as a ‘brand-name’ commenter more than one more blog runner —– what would be my descriptive? “Nikcrit: sepia-toned messiah to the alt-right?” lolzz!!

  175. Thwack,

    IF your conception of wS was not stunted by liberation ideology THEN you would “see” that in being a wS JUST IS a separation from the “liberated” masses including the radical “black” collective.

  176. Thwack…

    To LIMIT yourself to merely conceiving a physical separation is to signal to the wS that you are devoid of any metaphysics. So his answer to you is that a separation is, first and foremost, a spiritual separation. But even here, the genuine wS already recognizes the spiritual separation from the radical “black” collective AND his personal immersion in a pernicious unreality manufactured to hide this most basic fact. So it is futile to argue against an inevitable physical separation WHEN A SPIRITUAL SEPARATION is already a known given.

  177. In the mad drive towards “universal equality,” the message and the messenger are one… Radically autonomous is the message and the messenger. The radical “black” collective is the mechanism by which more intelligent collectives of liberationist “push the envelope” at a rival’s expense.

  178. PA…

    In fact, I have been trying to get this post back on the original question in a myriad of manners.

    And you still fail to “see” that your title signaled a latent submission to “universal equality” although we both agree that anti-racism is no religion at all.

  179. What’s important is,
    the fact that we live under a state enforced religion – and we DO – doesn’t bother conservatives. Political Correctness “sustains” enough pocketbooks to become the laws we are ruled by.

    Nationalism doesn’t go anywhere because it is dominated by conservatives. While conservatives are beneficial to society in that they maintain order and culture and are less likely to be fooled by bullshit, they are not the type we need for change.
    George Lincoln Rockwell has a recording “On Right Wing Sissies” that explains the problem. Basically conservatives are motivated by self interest and fear of change, and are great people who useless as building a revolution. People who pride themselves on being polite are going to pretend to not notice the emperor has no clothes.

    Conservatives = the Japanese ; Rectard insanity = the cone

    When “liberals”, our dreamers, the ones who want to change the world for the better, are faced with the fact that they are the machinery of a state enforced religion, they will have to reassess. Some will have to readjust their stances to continue living in denial, but others WILL flip. And THAT is what will turn the tide.

    And they will. We’re more sophisticated and edgy than rectards. And the Christian GOP are all anti-racists anyway now.

    When we start getting more of our leftists, then shit gets real. Conservatives can’t fight on a moral front, they’re just not built that way.

  180. they already got that? White people run the entire planet. You can’t even go into outer space without the permission of white people because they DECIDE who is allowed to build rockets and who isn’t (hello North Korea? Hello Iran?)

    Well i guess our problems are solved then.

    There are a lot of assumptions that White people share, that non-whites do not share.

    It makes communicating with them difficult-to-impossible.

    thwack thinks he is winning arguments, but what point has he made?

    His stuff isn’t even worth parsing. It is arguing with a tarbaby.

    thwack we have different goals.

  181. thwack is just upset that we don’t want him at the beach.

    It makes him all the more likely to show up there.

    Just like this blog.

    ***************************

    But jokes aside, it would be helpful if black Americans could somehow shore up white nationalism.

    It would be symmetrical and shit. We brought you over here in chains and but then set you free.

    And now the shoe is on the other foot. Won’t you help us, on our struggle to be free?

  182. That last question is in earnest, of course.

    Won’t you help us, in our struggle to be free?

    We all know how the Tea Party had to have a black face. But it’s white nationalism White advocacy that needs some token black now.

    There have been any number of American blacks who have gone there, and said some very to-the-point comments, on television and radio wherever, about whites needing to stick up for themselves.

    Obviously they get a pass to say such things. And whoever would do that for us now, would have honor in the kingdom.

  183. Considering how easy pivotal influential momentous and non-forgettable, it would be for American blacks to say some race-real that would be immensely helpful to whites? – it is very telling that they so seldom do.

  184. Sometimes I suspect guys like him may not be as white as they say they are; and therefore need to have black people in proximity in order to be accepted as white by other white people; amirite?
    (interestingly, this may be why so many white people like to go help black people in Africa; their greatest fear is to be working at a refugee camp in Greece and have another white person walk up to them and hand them a “care package”

    they already got that? White people run the entire planet. You can’t even go into outer space without the permission of white people because they DECIDE who is allowed to build rockets and who isn’t (hello North Korea? Hello Iran?)

    Please put down the crackpipe.

  185. Course worthless cops don’t do shit until the video shows up on Youtube half a year later.
    Make ur own justice in this day and age.

  186. “Is Anti-Racism A Religion?”– PA
    It could be; but the key is; which came first, racism or anti-racism? — thwack
    [“Racism” is a word made up by Leon Trotsky. That, which the word aims to pathologize, came first because it is another word for “natural.” — PA]
    ———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
    Well if racism is “natural”, why do you need to write a blog to promote it?
    Im familiar with the link you left for me of that bogus “study” claiming to demonstrate babies practice racism– what a joke. Newborns are hardwired to respond female pheromones and soft warm titties. You ever heard of the term “wet nurse?” That was a real job for black females during slavery; and before the advent of “formula”, anti-biotics and retail medicine… How do you think Oprah became a billionaire?
    She’s the fat black mammy that people are evolutionarily and genetically programmed to suckle up to.
    What?

    What does our lady of Czestochowa

    look like?

    what?
    Say what again motherfucker, I dare ya, I double dare ya motherfucker!

    She’s big?

    go on…

    She’s black?

    Does she look like a mammy?

    wwwwhat?

    POW!

    DOES-SHE-LOOK-LIKE-A-MAMMY!

    Nooooooooooooo!

    Then why you treat her like one?
    Yeshya did!, yeshya did!
    *cue Al Jolsen*

    The reason the “racism is natural” meme doesn’t work is because the racists won’t let it work; and the reason the racists won’t let it work is because they know it won’t work. Thats why they hafta start blogs to support and promote racism; or more importantly, engage in COLLECTIVISM and produce laws or “rules” to FORCE people to practice racism. Its so ironic that despite all their bloviating about the high IQ of white people; racists still don’t seem to understand that the BEST way to get people to do something you want them to do is to let them CHOOSE to do it.
    Their ham handed, clumsy COLLECTIVISM is too limiting for white people. White people hafta be free, even if it means free to make mistakes; Thats why they love Frank Sinatra so much: “I did it myyyyyyyyyyyyyy waaaaaaaaaaaay!”

    White people claiming racism is natural is like black people claiming “black is beautiful”; the very claim undermines its validity
    To sum up, the more you brag about how white your couch is; the more white people are gonna say: “fukc yo couch ni66a!”
    And black people are NOT the problem, we actually appreciate a nice white couch; thats why we leave the plastic on it.

    Now, once again,

    *I’ll see you men on the beach*

    [one time I was waiting to meet someone by the Smithsonian Metro station and passed the time watching this loud, homeless-looking Black guy getting in tourists’ faces and offering sightseeing tips for one dollar. Several minutes later a cop came by and chased him away. — PA]

  187. Thwack…

    At some point you recognize that your protest RELIES UPON a definition of “racism” that is liberally conceived and propagated.

    But…

    If YOU were to conceive racism absolutely then you would have to make a more articulate case for this so-called all-pervasive paradigm that teaches young whites to desire a lording over blacks due nothing more than their white skin color. And if you were forced to make this more articulate case INSTEAD OF reflexively hiding beneath a liberated conception of “racism” which automatically grants you a captive audience and thus ALREADY summed up in their minds THEN it would be clear to many over here that you are stuck and stunted by a liberated unreality. You are only seeing reality through the eyes of a radically liberated “white” so that you can see “everything” and “nothing” at all. And if you were to attempt to see things from the perspective of the genuine wS then you would be geared towards seeing absolute Truth. And so let those be your options… See “everything,” see “nothing” and see absolute Truth. As it stands, you desire to see “everything” AND “nothing.” Why not trying seeing absolute Truth?

    And how about you start with a truthful conception of race and racism?

    Or do you just plain reject absolute Truth as reality?

  188. One of the most deadly ideas to spring from anti-racism is the idea that one should not judge a book by its cover. And if you think about the psychology of one who hates his father then you can see how this self-destructive idea might have taken root. And you can see how even a keenly aware hated father might aggressively pound this “lesson” home… A symbiotic regression. The reality is that in a radically liberated society, judging the book by its cover IS STEP ONE in basic survival. And as a bouncer of twenty years, judging a book by its cover is rule 1, 2 and 3 no matter what any liberated knucklehead says.

    So then you take a racially monolithic voting bloc plus the liberated demand to not judging a book by its cover, you get what exactly?

    YOU GET A DEMAND to not know the black individual!!! You get a demand to see the black individual as wholly separate from the black collective. You get a demand to not even see a black collective!

    And because HE IS HIS BOOK COVER (per his racial monolithic voting pattern)…

    To JUDGE HIM by such “book cover” IS TO KNOW HIM…

    Within the radical “black” collective, the messenger and message are one… The individual and the collective are one… To know one is to know all and to know all is to know one… THIS IS WHAT THAT THEY HAVE MADE FOR THEMSELVES…

    And “we” have our own radical “white” collective seeking to impose this same universal oppression.

  189. Now think about your tact
    Thwack…
    In fact…
    Whites vote bifactional
    Attesting to a reality
    Of a two book stack
    Two book cover backs
    Two looks to discover that
    Collectively…
    Only “white” liberals truly invite attack…
    And that’s why you create an unreality…
    Where a wS slips through all the liberated cracks.

    So a judge this book by its cover and tell me how you see a white collective in that?

  190. @Cam,

    I see you’re vet enough to run some ‘oldies-but-goldies’ alt-right links; that link you have to that club-bathroom incident, the ‘bow-down-to-the-big-bad-brown-dude” video first appeared on Sagat’s blog; that’s gotta be more than five years old already….. I remember hearing some follow-up report on that incident a couple of years agp; the vid went viral and i think the bouncer got axed and the victim ended up suing either the bouncer or the club or both; he became a sort of celebrated martyr for a spell.

  191. Thwack…

    In the right frame, you could only throw “us” for a loop IF you converted to (white) Supremacy. As its stands now, you are merely some degree of “black” liberationist. You are here mainly as a real psychological endeavoring in maximizing your autonomy AT THE EXPENSE of the relatively high IQ “white” male liberationists that inhabit this domain.

    BUT ONCE you recognize the triviality of this zero-sum game BECAUSE you BOTH MUTUALLY limit the size of your playing field… Then what? Where do you aim NOW? Or do you now concede a limited playing field = limited “black” autonomy? And many are being conditioned for a period of severely limiting “black” autonomy now that “it” has so visibly gone radical.

  192. I see you’re vet enough to run some ‘oldies-but-goldies’ alt-right links; that link you have to that club-bathroom incident, the ‘bow-down-to-the-big-bad-brown-dude”

    How do you remember all this stuff from 5 years and 3 blogs ago? I guess maybe it’s because you write professionally…

  193. RE: DiBlasio’s CPT joke; i saw that covered on MSNBC today during my lunch hour; they were actually trying to make political hay and controversey from it, with correspondent Joy Reid out and about asking random black proles if they thought the remark was offensive to black people, and was the Clinton campaign negligent in agreeing to take part in the comedy skit that contained the joke before parsing out the ‘offensive’ routine, etc. (I haven’t seen if they’re continuing with that tack after leaving work today, but i wouldn’t be surprised, etc).

    But if they are that would be particularly galling because shortly before the 2008 election, the future black president himself made a “CPT joke” before a National Association of Black Journalists convention being held in Las Vegas that year; the following is from a chronicle of that event that ran shortly afterward in Politico:

    “All right, ya’ll ready?” asked Bryan Monroe, president of NABJ.
    Yesssss was the cooperative response — given almost exhaustedly. These people had been waaaaaiting. And finally, without much fanfare or even a too-long introduction, he was there.
    “I want to apologize for being a little bit late, but you guys keep on asking whether I’m black enough,” beamed Obama as he took over the podium with an inside joke that was more than obvious to the audience. Shattering laughter ensued.
    Ask a Black Politico Journalist 101: There is something in the African-American community called CP Time, or CPT — shorthand for Colored People’s Time. It refers, sometimes jokingly and other times not, to the stereotype that black people are incapable of punctuality. CPT has its own Wikipedia entry.
    “So I figured I’d stroll in,” added Obama to even more laughs.”

    here’s the story in its entirety:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2007/08/obama-clinton-have-mixed-effects-005337

    I didn’t go to NABJ that year, which is a yearly event that I believe was held in Vegas that year (2007) but i’ve been to several others, including a pair in D.C. and ones in Dallas and Chicago and Milwaukee.

  194. But if they are that would be particularly galling because shortly before the 2008 election, the future black president himself made a “CPT joke” before a National Association of Black Journalists convention being held in Las Vegas that year; the following is from a chronicle of that event that ran shortly afterward in Politico:

    Yeah, sure helps to have the right politics. Obama also made a joke about the good looks of California attorney general Kamala Harris about 2 years ago, I’m sure we know the “sexism” uproar that would occur if a Republican made that remark about a female appointee.

    And a few years ago I was talking to this very hilarious and Americanized (East) Indian Sr. tech guy and he was trying to tell me the difficulty of getting back home to see his folks in rural India, due to train routes being overloaded, overbooked, never on schedule or just not existing at all. He’s one of those rare outgoing, talkative Indians who makes lots of jokes which sound so much funnier due to his slight Indian accent and irreverent demeanor.

    Then out of nowhere he says “yeah, no one’s in a hurry in India, everything there happens on IPT” and I nearly split a gut laughing. Don’t know if I’ve ever laughed that hard since then.

    Also, speaking of media, have you ever seen this hilarious video?:

    Yes, Anna Gilligan is smoking hot (she’s on Fox now) but what did dude think he was doing with these comments right in the middle of the broadcast? lol

  195. Obama also made a joke about the good looks of California attorney general Kamala Harris about 2 years ago, I’m sure we know the “sexism” uproar that would occur if a Republican made that remark about a female appointee. — camlost

    Hmmm….

    Sometimes I wonder if black males get a pass on sexism and the objectification of women because we are seen as a more primal, more “base”; a more primitive type of man?

    When I stare at a white womans titties they usually try to shield them in some way, fold their arms, turn to the side…

    but they always turn back to check and see if Im still looking; maybe they get a thrill out of tempting the savage?

    In other nooz, did you guys know pure breed Huskies and malamutes have been replaced by mixed breeds when it comes to sled dog racing?

    Yup,

    they are mixing them huks and mutes with things like Saluki and Greyhound for better performance and recovery. Some of the top breeders consider their mixes proprietary and won’t reveal what they are.

    Sub canine rape FTW!

    [GMO rape! — PA]

  196. “Yeah, sure helps to have the right politics.”

    I’m pretty sure that HRC and DeBlasio fit the bill; that’s what makes this incident particularly weird; they’re going after one of their own.

    I think this gives credence to your (Cam’s) earlier suggestions that P.C. is now not so eagerly pushed and prosleytized because it’s now an entrenched orthodoxy; the battle is won.

  197. “Sometimes I wonder if black males get a pass on sexism and the objectification of women because we are seen as a more primal, more “base”; a more primitive type of man?”

    These very ‘controversies’ are the result of current cultural pieties being piqued. And if you deconstruct what a piety is specficially, their very essence have to do with CERTAIN people or groups doing CERTAIN ‘things.’

    So of course certain groups get a pass on certain forms of behavior while others don’t; there’s supposedly or theoretically reasons for both ‘the pass’ and ‘the accusation.” To wit: In our here and now, what situation is going to be more incendiary? Two political candidates; one male and one female: what will be more controversial? A male politician making a vague sexual innuendo about his female opponent? Or a female pol making a similarly vague reference toward her male opponent?

    it’s the times and current rages that determine the level of transgression and that requires an imbalanced list of human ingredients.

  198. they are mixing them huks and mutes with things like Saluki and Greyhound for better performance and recovery. Some of the top breeders consider their mixes proprietary and won’t reveal what they are.

    Seems like Greyhounds would be a good mix for temperament, when they’re not working they just sit there quietly and maximize their rest. Huskies can be a handful with how busy and assertive they are, and how often they challenge authority. Some people that keep them indoors find that they like to climb on top of furniture, tables, counters, etc. too.

  199. John McWhorter… With that softly-sneering fag face doing the deed that sounds like “sweet-nothing” to the alt-rite ear and impressing upon him the “reality” of anti-racism = slavish worship to Jesus. So that in the same way an alt-riter may “rationally” reject the worship of Jesus Christ… The worship of objective Supremacy, ie., empirical Perfection, he can now EQUALLY reject anti-racism AS THOUGH BOTH anti-Christianity and anti-racism were not in reality a MUTUAL rejection of objective Supremacy, ie., rejection of The Perfect Man AS empirical fact.

    Most TRULY high IQ individuals cannot argue against worshipping that which is empirical Perfection… So they are left with simply rejecting “worship,” in principle, as deleterious. But man’s desire to “worship” is a given according to most sentient human beings.

    So where does this leave the alt-riter?

    HE IS THE MOST radically autonomous archetype on the scene at this moment.

    He worships nothing… And like his archenemy, HE REJECTS empirical Perfection.

    So what is the real beef between alt-riters and the rest of the rabid liberationists?

    It’s all degenerate theatre from a wS perspective.

  200. “Most TRULY high IQ individuals cannot argue against worshipping that which is empirical Perfection… So they are left with simply rejecting “worship,” in principle, as deleterious. But man’s desire to “worship” is a given according to most sentient human beings.”

    Is there a regular out there who thinks they comprehend this passage and would care to describe it for the rest of us regulars? I would appreciate as much.

  201. Bright people cannot argue against the concept of universal perfection. So (those that don’t?) are left rejecting the idea of worshiping anything because to do so they believe is a destructive act (but why would they believe that?). This, even though most normal people think the concept and practice of worship is a given.

    That’s about the best I could do.

  202. Nikcrit…

    What is higher, CONCEPTUALLY, to Man, than God?

    So when a rabid liberationist declares “God is dead,” what is he actually saying?

    He is saying that there is no Perfection… There is no objective Supremacy.

    Some high IQ’s can recognize the following equation as Truth:

    God of Bible = objective Supremacy = Perfection = empirical perfection = Jesus Christ…

    White man worships Perfection because it makes absolute sense to worship the highest “thing.” So white Christianity JUST IS white Supremacy.

    “White” males of the alt-rite, leftist, libertarian, anarchist, NS, pagan, new-age, etc. ALL REJECT empirical Perfection. And most readily took wS and white Christianity to be synonymous in the not too distant past.

    Do you know what happens when one throughly rejects empirical Perfection TO THE POINT that he rejects “worship,” in principle? He self-annihilates.

  203. Nikcrit…

    First, you have to decide your concept of omnipotence…

    A will to anything…

    A will to Perfection…

    Which one is God and which one is just a “god,” maybe? Which one is more omnipotent? Or, do both “wills” reside in just one God?

    From here, you can “see” the white boy go towards radical autonomy and self-annihilation or wS and healthy perpetuation.

  204. Those who reject empirical Perfection (as falsification of “universal equality”) can do so under the ideological cover of anti-racism. Which is better translated as anti-white Supremacy… Against white men who believe in and strive towards objective Supremacy. So anti-white Supremacy IS A MANDATED PROTOCOL instigated towards the reality of “universal equality.”

  205. But it really doesn’t stop there with the anti-white Supremacy of the alt-rite… It’s not just a rejection of empirical Perfection… It’s a rejection of Perfection AS MERE CONCEPT… It’s a rejection so thorough that high IQ “whites” and mulattoes CANNOT EVEN CONCEIVE the following equation:

    Perfection = objective Supremacy…

    When “our” “smartest” cannot even cohere around the above equation then “we” are truly deep in the descent.

  206. Nikcrit…

    If you are TRULY against the soul-crushing imposition of “universal equality” THEN YOU FAITHFULLY ATTEST to the reality of objective Supremacy.

    That you cannot “see” the inherent logic above means either a) you are not of high intelligence or b) you just are a self-annihilator (and there is plenty of empirical data to substantiate this claim).

    In my profiling, you are a high IQ “halfwhite” self-annihilator.

  207. You understand what this means for the “white” alt-riter?

    You CANNOT be anti-wS and NOT FOR “universal equality.”

    You CANNOT be against “universal equality” and NOT BE FOR white Supremacy.

    There is no third way. There is not even a second way. There is the right way and the wrong way. There is desire for objective Supremacy VERSUS desire for “infinite regress.”

    The high IQ alt-riter has so far successfully hidden his desire for “infinite regress” within the traditional confines of what is perceived at going the “right” way. That’s why I say “white” alt-riters are the most radically autonomous on the scene at this moment. They have both friend and foe BELIEVING they head in the “right” direction while in their heart of hearts they are anti-white Supremacists to the core… They are one with foe and delude the most naive of friends.

    [Thordaddy: you have made your point. — PA]

  208. “If you are TRULY against the soul-crushing imposition of “universal equality” THEN YOU FAITHFULLY ATTEST to the reality of objective Supremacy.”

    I do and have said that I ‘faithfully attest’ to an objective standard of ‘supremacy’ —— it’s just that I quite understandably can’t heed to the phenotype clause in your definition of the term, hence our trains keep almost but never quite meet.

    We’ve reached this impasse at least a half-dozen times.

  209. The only ‘infinite regress’ I see at this and similar blogs is an ‘infinite regress of racial score-settling,” a term I believe I was the first to use here, though I’m not sure about elsewhere……. Look, my concern may be pedestrian and none-too-esoteric, but I think you could more simply address my concern about why must it be ‘white’ supremacism; a primary-grade child could likely discern what MY concern with that would be. So I can only believe that your dodging the providing of a basic answer to that very basic question is intentional, a dodge. There’s no need for some long, convoluted answer.

    I mean, PA just put a coda at the end of your comment that said ‘you made your point.” FWIW, I still don’t know what it is, but I too am neither looking for nor expecting ‘clarification’ —- you don’t ‘do’ clarification very well.

    [Nikcrit.. you too please. Let’s end the subject.]

  210. Come on PA…

    This stoppage is inexplicable…

    Anti-racism AS “religion” is ultimately in the service of all false religions at the expense of the one true religion.

    The fact that Nikcrit can “see” a “point” in the individual striving towards objective Supremacy at the abstract level while not being able to “see” the “point” in the individual white man striving towards white Supremacy IN ITS PARTICULARLY CONCRETE COLLECTION is evidence for Nikcrit’s complete deracination… His total detachment from his “fathers” and the idea that all knowledge in him must flow through his “fathers” first. The idea that one strives toward Supremacy outside his racial milieu is liberationist fantasy. The idea that one is jettisoned towards the abstract without even a recognition of his concrete launching pad is nonsensical. “We” conceive of the abstract for the very purpose of transcending the concrete and *you* deny the abstract for the very purpose of confining all influential action to the concrete realm. This is the primitive game of minimizing and maximizing autonomy in the zero-sum paradigm made dominant by a mad mob of liberationists.

  211. This is the primitive game of minimizing and maximizing autonomy in the zero-sum paradigm made dominant by a mad mob of liberationists.

    Nonsense. More it’s a consciousness you can’t relate to and is troubling dogma for you to drop. You never answer the simple question; maybe you and others can’t; and perhaps for good reason. So then it must be universal causation… Whatever gets you through the night, TD. Total evasion.

  212. [Nikcrit.. you too please. Let’s end the subject.]

    Ok. Gladly. Sorry. Didn’t see your above request before i posted my last message.

  213. Nikcrit…

    I’ve answered your “simple question” numerous times and have never evaded such simplicity.

    It is not either/or… It is both in conjunction… It is both the personal will of the individual white man and his will to perfection in relation to the whole white collective. It is getting settled with a certain origin and a collective destination that a solid identity is formed. So there just is objective Supremacy, white men who strive towards objective Supremacy and the collective action of a race of white men tending towards objective Supremacy. This is all of “it” and it need not be obligated to leave Nikcrit anywhere in particular. You are free to decide your relationship to the above realities. So far, you’re stuck on permanent “liberal” wherever and whenever the topic is wS.

  214. Nikcrit…

    Riddle me this… Which is more meaningful?

    A man who strives towards objective Supremacy or a white man who strives towards objective Supremacy?

    Which is more particular and thus reveals a more specific identity?

    A Christian or a white Supremacist? Is a Christian > a white Supremacist?

    When you ask, “why the white in wS… Are you averse to more particular information? Are you claiming a world of relativism EXCEPT where the white race and objective Supremacy are involved? Do you not conceive “white” as a certain designation of one’s origin so that when you evaluate an explosive act you are aware of both the launch pad and the final destination?

    But look at you… All you must do is keep up the pretense that “white” is ultimately meaningless concept… Race is a meaningless concept… You are deracinated and cannot “see” that such pathology thwarts any and all attempts at objective Supremacy. Ergo, there is no deracinated “Christian” and a liberal, by definition, is pathologically deracinated.

  215. How any race-realist can look at John McWhorter is not “see” a bona fide anti-wS is beyond me… He being of the “talented tenth” obviously understands that the “crime” of separation is a soon-to-be rapid acceleration of the self-annihilating tendencies of the “black” collective. And although McWhorter hates wS, he is still intelligent enough to hate niggers while still recognizing anynew segregation leaving a lot of middle of the road “blacks” in a very deleterious situation. So, in a nutshell, he has no real solution to the radical “black” collective and their ever increasing demands. And he sure in the heck isn’t about to tell the “black” collective it needs to get on its knees and repent and this message should be carried forward by any and all members of the “talented tenth.” And starting with McWhorter for putting forth that pouty “black” fag face and being taken seriously as a race realist.

  216. MGE…

    That the white race dies BECAUSE its most “intelligent” are self-annihilators… Literally, the high IQ “white” male DOES NOT BELIEVE in his “right” to existence from conception. Let this sink in real deep. This why the white race dies. Can you not “see” this “perfectly” vicious regress?

  217. MGE…

    Seen from a more aggressive perspective, the white race dies BECAUSE its most “intelligent” deny objective Supremacy. Ergo, the highest IQs of the white race deny the highest conception of reality. The effect being a descent towards the lowest common denominator,
    Ie., “infinite regress.”

    In sum, the white race dies BECAUSE its most “intelligent” not only reject the highest conception of reality, but they also embrace self-annihilation. In fact, these axiomatic beliefs are the very definition of high IQ “white” male. And so there is no genocide and there is no secret as to why the white race dies.

    What you do now is to find any false statements in what I’ve written?

  218. Camlost:
    “In honor of Kobe’s retirement today I just have to post this. May God help us:

    Your ass bled because you took a reverse crap your retarded slag. Wrong direction.

    Oh, God, how embarrassing.

  219. But look at you… All you must do is keep up the pretense that “white” is ultimately meaningless concept… Race is a meaningless concept… You are deracinated and cannot “see” that such pathology thwarts any and all attempts at objective Supremacy.

    Never said ‘white is meaningless” or that “race is meaningless; I’m wondering about the pre-qualifying exclusion based on race; isn’t that obvious? (The fact that you give a long roundabout answer to that while NEVER really convincingly explaining that whiteness is requisite for supremacism, makes me think you’re being willfully obtuse. It’s almost like some liberal-guilt thing where you feel ambiguous about your core distaste for NAMs but wrap it up in some convoluted philosophical rationalization to avoid the taint of the hickishly bigoted.

    Which I don’t understand, because that would be openly accepted here —— yet you call even the more demographically typical alt-righters that comment here “libs” or ‘liberationists.’

    You did what I thought you would; put some verbiage and smoke and avoided a simple question. I then asked another—– any other —— commenter to try to interpret your convoluted comment, but there were no takers, as I’m guessing they were either indifferent or more perplexed by I was by your typical elusive screed.

    I acknowledge aggregate difference in good and bad qualities among the races; I participate in and respect the tradition-stacked literature, folkore and expressive arts endowed by the various races and further delineated by ethnicity.

    I am NOT de-racinated; that’s something you ascribe to those who call out your long-winded bigotry…. I really think that’s it; no, you’re not fearful of liberal pieties—- but you don’t want to be associated with low-class taint given to redneck racists, as described by piously liberal whites.

    Or something like that.

  220. MGE: “WTF are these two nut jobs talking about?”

    Hey, dialectics with Thor are like taking a undergrad philo course in skepticism and metaphysics; you just can’t discuss this kinda stuff in the staid bourgeois corporate world, let alone public education.

    Think of it as a remedial correspondence course in theological self-improvement!

  221. iIn honor of Kobe’s retirement today I just have to post this. May God help us

    Utah obviously took a pre-game bribe to layoff Kobe and give him his parting “fiftyburger”…… sorta awkward for two, big NBA milestones to occur late in PST on a weeknight; i bet that network execs are pulling their hair out over all the revenue that they’ll never collect from these two momentous occasions.

  222. “I’m wondering about the pre-qualifying exclusion based on race…” — Nikcrit

    You keep repeating something similar to the above in order to just not “get it.”

    You are free to strive toward Supremacy REGARDLESS of your race. And I am using “free” in the sense that you may consciously seek Perfection.

    You are also free to seek out wS.

    And you are free to convert to wS and be a mulatto convert to wS.

    You are also free to be a halfrican Supremacist… A halfrican who strives towards Supremacy.

    You are also free to establish THE FIRST genuine halfrican Supremacist movement.

    Where this all leads “us” is to an absurd request demanding that I answer WHY a halfrican liberationist cannot be a white Supremacist and how could I justify such a “pre-qualifying exclusion?” Would you swallow whole a previously unqualified exclusion?

    And that taint of “white” degenerates who a masochistic media transform into “white supremacists” in no way sways me from writing truth. A real white race-realist understands at this moment so close to Final Liberation that the enemies of wS and their relentless memetic push to create a reality where the critical mass of “whites” CAN ONLY SEE:

    White Supremacy = white degeneracy…

    IS OVER!!!!

    The gig is up. The mind war can no longer be sustained. The desire of the radical masses to make verboten the genuine wS as true leader after Final Liberation HAS BEEN CRUSHED!

  223. How come I cannot get a single alt-writer to query…

    “What is a genuine white Supremacist?”

  224. PA…

    It makes absolutely no sense to try and control this debate on this particular post…

    In fact, Nikcrit threw out the challenge to other commenters to opine. But as I’ve said many times before, high IQ “whites” are as hateful and fearful of wS as any Jew, jihadist, black or homodyke.

  225. “How do you remember all this stuff from 5 years and 3 blogs ago? I guess maybe it’s because you write professionally…”

    As we discussed, I’ve been poring over the archives in an attempt to organize a long-form writing; what’s interesting is going over the stuff I did when first commented on hbd blogs at Guy White; in fact, i recently came across a long back-n-forth in which you and I took a side against that of another poster who claimed that mulattos and light-skinned blacks at the turn of the 20th-century were the result of black interracial rape and not white slave owner and their black concubines. funny, really.

  226. Cam,
    Check out TD’s Denmark Vesey link a couple of comments up; Thor’s on a black blog rapping, dropping some ol’ school “Kool Moe Dee”-like couplets, according to the black commenters there; ain’t nothing new under the son, sun…. Here’s what one of the commmenters there says, including his quick and shore kudo to, umm, “Sir Thordaddy.”

    Everything is a throw back TD
    Today’s grunge skateboarding are throwbacks
    w/ a dash of skinny jeans and sparkling glitter
    Lil Wayne doing a throwback to Steve Steadham
    50 cent & Jay Z supporting the president is a Jackie Robinson and Joe Louis throwback
    Crazy jewelry is a throwback to Slick Rick
    Your Kool Moe D rhymes are throwbacks
    Your argument isn’t new, it’s a throwback
    9/11 is a Operation Northwoods throwback, an Oklahoma City bombing throwback
    NWA mugshots are throwbacks to a Stokely mugshot
    Ghetto Boys mugshot is a throw back to Al Capone mugshots…
    or a Detroit Red mugshot, a Wallace Dodd Ford mugshot
    Public Enemy is a throwback to James Cagney or the straight man and the clown
    MJ & Prince are throwbacks to James Brown
    Who knows James Holmes might be a CIA Timothy McVeigh throwback
    Obama is a black messiah throwback
    Master Lock are not making new numbers, they make new combinations from throwback numbers

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