No.

Trickdaddy writes:

I’ve got a rather confrontational opinion on this subject that i’ve stated earlier: I contend that, in terms of there existing a universal humanity inter-dependence, pro-or-con on an individual level, that caucasians are sort-of an idealized ‘super-middlemost’ hybrid of humanity writ large and, to cut to the chase, are ultimately driven by a compulsion but ultimately by a ‘fate’ to create idealized norm; e.g., in other words, I’m afraid that the 20th-century proverbial ‘white Man’s Burden” is sublime and is a existential duty that is inescapable; there would be insufferable penalties if you neglected it—– yet certain and inevitable frustrations when you do take on such a task, with history attesting to that fact as well. Highest-end Ashkenazim and NE Asian I.Q. is valuable but to ethereal and ether-based, while African and Hispanic-core primitivism is unorganized but teeming with desirable human vitality and passion; the gamut of such homo-sapien ingredients are all needed but only the caucasian maintains the aggregate ideal amount;

summation: we drive each other crazy but ultimately ‘need’ each other; any other interpretation is sloppily presumptive on how much our self-definitions are reliant upon ‘the other.’

I suspect Trickin knows that the above is nonsense and he was just invoking his long-time commenter privilege to drop that bit of self-indulgence toward sparking a discussion. My response is the title of this post.

To entertain any talk of cross-racial contact that doesn’t end up corrupting both parties, we must accept the limitations of man’s desire and capacity for such contact. I offered my own thesis on that subject in the Shots of Wisdom, Part II post, under the heading “Identity.”

White man’s burden as envisioned by Kipling: a White Rhodesian farmer driving a pickup, his dog riding shotgun and six African laborers in the back. White man’s burden today is to secure the existence of our people and a future for White children. We tried the “needing each other” thing. Behold the astral planes at the end of that journey:

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128 thoughts on “No.

  1. Our burden is to find a way to channel the costly signaling/competitive altruism innate to whites in a less pernicious way. Environmentalism could be taken up by the right and developed into an HBD/blood and soil philosophy.

  2. “I suspect Trickin knows that the above is nonsense and he was just invoking his long-time commenter privilege to drop that bit of self-indulgence toward sparking a discussion.”

    I wasn’t joking, though I may have been a bit provocative for purposes of starting a lively discussion, as you noted.

    But what I feel you’re overlooking is that i was making my argument in the mode of ‘the grand sweep of things,’ epoch-like, or even in terms of evolutionary units of influence of measure; the trends and tendencies from antiquity to our here and now.

    i also have a few typos in that bit of comment that i considered adding a ‘edit’ follow-up comment to but overlooked when no one responded to it. So that too may have inspired your being dismissive of my remark.

    But no, it’s not nonsense; you need to empathize intellectually a bit more and realize that not everybody comes from the same sort of background in terms of social, ethnic and racial metrics and proportions.

    For one obvious instance: I personally would hate to come from a place that was either 99% white or 99% black.

  3. “Environmentalism could be taken up by the right and developed into an HBD/blood and soil philosophy.”

    I like the idea of rightist racial policy and philosophy but that has some moral compass and sense of complicity as well.

  4. “White man’s burden today is to secure the existence of our people and a future for White children. We tried the “needing each other” thing. Behold the astral planes at the end of that journey:”

    I’m very confident you will obtain what you wish BUT will also continue to have ‘The Burden.”

    Your bestowed talents and gifts have fated you with that dual task!

  5. while African and Hispanic-core primitivism is unorganized but teeming with desirable human vitality and passion

    Thanks to HUD, we all will have a chance to experience vibrancy in our own neighborhoods! Look at the way these vibrant teens have enriched this stale suburban community:

    this was a brawl spurred on by the ADULTS on social media. A murder that takes place off screen. you can see the teen’s last moments at 1:50 as he runs by with a lacerated carotid artery.

  6. Is it your contention, Nikcrit, that certain races ought to be the beneficiarys of White man’s aid in exchange for the White man assuming animal husbandry-style dominion over their wards to avert demographic and ecological disasters spurred by said aid?

  7. But what I feel you’re overlooking is that i was making my argument in the mode of ‘the grand sweep of things,’ epoch-like, or even in terms of evolutionary units of influence of measure; the trends and tendencies from antiquity to our here and now.

    Ah this should provide succor to the families of the Amy Biehls of the world. Sorry your daughter was brutally raped and murdered, but in the grand sweep of things, she certainly shouldered her white man’s burden, and if you just think on an evolutionary epoch scale, in the long run has helped us all become more vibrant because of it. Lol

  8. Look at the way these vibrant teens have enriched this stale suburban community:

    That video happened in an area near Augusta. Look at how nice that Dodge Charger is that is getting whacked with the baseball bats – clearly whoever is putting it in harm’s way is not the one actually paying the car note. Grandma or baby mama is gonna be mad when Le’Trayvion brings that car back to the house with all of that damage.

    This is what I was talking about in an earlier thread – pretty much all of the South is “suburban” by the truest definition of the word – pop density, building make-up, yard size, etc. Southern living is actually much better for blacks than being crammed into tight environs like in Chicago, because it saves them from themselves and makes a lot of stupid crimes more difficult to commit – it’s a lot more work travel to a corner store to rob it or to get enough “youths” together to where the crew is emboldened enough to play the knockount game, for instance.. However, this also leaves blacks with VAST areas where they are left to their own devices and they will then start to tribalize again (like seen here) when not under the watchful eye of white folks.

    For one obvious instance: I personally would hate to come from a place that was either 99% white or 99% black.

    Well, didn’t we just talk about this, Commander Platitude? You managed to not only survive but also enjoy your 4 years in that klan-infested area known as Madison, where pretty much all of the blacks on campus were on athletic scholarship.

  9. Look at how nice that Dodge Charger is that is getting whacked with the baseball bats – clearly whoever is putting it in harm’s way is not the one actually paying the car note.

    Yeah and did you notice that new Jeep Renegade belonged to one of the girls screeching in the background? Stuff like this is a pretty powerful rejoinder to liberal race creationists argument. These are well fed, well dressed teens with the latest smart phones and cars, living in a nice neighborhood. It’s going to take a very dedicated Jewish Marxist sociologist to sniff out the oppression in this scenario.

  10. “Behold the astral planes at the end of that journey:”

    Ok, but howabout I read and discard a comment of yours that attempts to be epic in terms of scope and history and try to discard your point by posting a vid of, say, Richard Speck or whomever is a contemporary representative of his mantle?

    I’d rather you just ignore my point than misrepresent it for the sake of insulting it.

  11. Ahhh, you alabaster chaps are bonding and ganging-up on the resident ‘man of color,’ I see. Well, I hope you’re enjoying yourselves. But I can’t say I share your sense of overcharged disgruntlement, because i was never jumped or inconvenienced by whites or ghettoites alike.

    Seriously, though: that is something that i think may be a ‘halfrican privilege,’ coupled with being a male of over six-feet and 215 lbs. I mean, I’ve traveled through some brutal-ass Chicago south-side ghetto neighborhoods in the middle of the night, a reall ‘heart-of-darkness’ zone, and was never bothered. One easily develops a sense of overconfident security.

  12. Richard Speck or whomever is a contemporary representative of his mantle?

    No one is apologizing for Richard Speck.
    There is no White Lives Matter movement that blames Richard Speck on black oppression. No ivory tower academics pushing a marxist agenda to make white serial killers into victims of society. There is no mass journalistic coverup of white murder… in fact it is pushed into the foreground against a nauseating backdrop of the constant low grade misery of black on black murder. How many murders has Chicago endured just in the first 3 months of this year? This is a matter of scale. If the rate of violent crime committed by blacks was proportional to that of whites, I would conceded your argument… but it’s not, and there is massive denial in the black community about this.

  13. Nikcrit, you made a very ambitious but refutable comment and I refuted it. To spare your online avatar unnecessary embarrasment, I distanced the comment from the author by referring to you by another nickname. I also softened the post by crediting you with being an established commenter and suggesting that you were in part intentionally provocative in writing it.

    It is my privilege as the blog author to refute your comment with dialectic or rhetoric. I used the latter, while also linking to former.

    You are free to defend, retract, or clarify your comment right here.

  14. Seriously, though: that is something that i think may be a ‘halfrican privilege,’ coupled with being a male of over six-feet and 215 lbs.

    Yeah, and I don’t get bothered in these sorts of places either due to being above average in size, driving a massive V8 truck and having super sort hair that suggests the possibility of me being a cop. Easier targets can be found.

    Ahhh, you alabaster chaps are bonding and ganging-up on the resident ‘man of color,’

    No, we just taking aim at your idea that “we need each other.” We’re perfectly capable of separating you from your idea, it’s not personal.

    I guess it’s one of those Obi-Wan things that depends on your “certain point of view.”

  15. “This is a matter of scale. If the rate of violent crime committed by blacks was proportional to that of whites, I would conceded your argument… but it’s not, and there is massive denial in the black community about this.”

    I agree with this and appreciate the observation. But I do think it’s wrong to obscure my point —after all, I’m not the one denying the black-vs.-white imbalances.

    In fact, I’m probably the only one here that deals with them f2f and try to change that reality on a day-to-day average. That shouldn’t accord me any special privvy, but I am out on the front lines, as you are too if i recall correctly.

  16. Ok, but howabout I read and discard a comment of yours that attempts to be epic in terms of scope and history

    FWIW I do see some value and truth to nikcrit’s grand unified theory of race relations, however, being the pragmatist I am, I was simply trying to bring it down to earth to test it against the “here and now.” What do you say to the average white guy who has to live next to the chaos depicted in that video, whose property value is now kaput, whose children are not safe, besides “gee I’m sorry you’re not a 6 foot halfrican who isn’t intimidated by all that.”

  17. t is my privilege as the blog author to refute your comment with dialectic or rhetoric. I used the latter, while also linking to former.

    Agreed. I’m not particularly peeved; nor am I saying you did something especially wrong to me; I just think you opted to ignore, specifically, the ‘across the grand sweep of time’ qualification in my hypothetical for the service of making sport of my comment with the lowlife crableg caper anecdote…. I ain’t sweating it; I’ve admitted doing the same thing once in a tiff with elk, in which i discarded his readily apparent point for the sake of indulging my own insulting retort.

  18. Even in the worst ghettos around they’re going to case out a victim thoroughly before making a move or random attack, being able to successfully walk through Cabrini Green once surely doesn’t make it a safe place – women and children do live there after all. And even in Chicago most of the killing is gang bangers or other belligerent parties killing each other, not random people. Criminals generally want a soft target that won’t fight back or have nearby support.

    FWIW I do see some value and truth to nikcrit’s grand unified theory of race relations,

    I still have no idea what Nik is saying with this “GUT” on race, unless his point is that “we” might as well make the best of it since we are stuck together. But the problem is that within “we” not everyone will pull their own weight, or take responsibility, or even agree on what is to be done. His use of “we” reminds me of Obama’s use of that term – any time you hear it in a SOTU address the white man is being asked to do more work and reach for his wallet.

  19. I still have no idea what Nik is saying with this “GUT” on race

    He’s saying that it’s all worth it because in exchange for the white man’s burden, we get R. Kelly and dances like the spongebob. It’s an argument that might appeal to a fruity European literary critic, but it loses it’s luster when you are up close and personal with it.

  20. As far as Speck goes I’m still not understanding how he avoided the death penalty.
    White Privilege, duh!

  21. So as long as we are being all theoretical, my contribution to the “meta” analysis of the grand unified racial theory is that on the twilight of the Obama administration, with all the racial discord that has ensued over the past 8 years and the dashed hopes of some kind of racial reconciliation… perhaps it’s time for blacks to turn inward a bit and take a long, hard look at what is going on and what their destiny is headed. After all, whites had to do kinda the same after WWII. I think we are done with the introspection and white guilt and are (I hope) ready to push forward… blacks will have to decide whether they are going to come along or just wallow in self pity and blame games

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  23. “still have no idea what Nik is saying with this “GUT” on race

    He’s saying that it’s all worth it because in exchange for the white man’s burden, we get R. Kelly and dances like the spongebob”

    Lol!! Not exactly, Mr. Smartass….

    Think of humans and their civilizations over the time span of their existence —- man as this ineffable mixture of logos, spirit, abstraction and intellect on the psyche index. But buoyed by the flesh, bone, blood and core senses to bolster, vitalize and charge us to put it all together in onie well-rounded package of humanity.

    Would you agree that all those ‘elements’ are necessary components of fulfilling human life?

    Well, from there, would you agree that certain currently categorized subsets of humans represent those certain specific micro-human aspects better than others? (e.g., Africans and Hispanics reppin’ vitality and primitive urges, vs. Asians and Askenazims attuned to more ethereal and intangible thoughts and emotions.)

    Is one really all that important that it could forsake the other? I say no, to have a well-rounded individual. And from there, I say ‘no’ if you extend the metaphor to macro-social levels and ask the same question.

  24. These are well fed, well dressed teens with the latest smart phones and cars, living in a nice neighborhood. It’s going to take a very dedicated Jewish Marxist sociologist to sniff out the oppression in this scenario.

    You see, the racism and oppression are SYSTEMIC. They are constantly present, just under the surface. The racism lives in the shadows, like the poor Mexican refugees. The fact that there is no visible, quantifiable presence or manifestation of white racism ONLY PROVES how systemic and all-powerful it is. If it were visible, you could stop it. But white racism is so malignant precisely because it is kept hidden from its victims, and this is why it is so difficult to eradicate, and why we must re-double our efforts at stamping it out.

    Please send your donations to the SPLC today!

  25. He’s saying that it’s all worth it because in exchange for the white man’s burden, we get R. Kelly and dances like the spongebob. It’s an argument that might appeal to a fruity European literary critic, but it loses it’s luster when you are up close and personal with it.

    LMAO. Exactly. Platitudes. From someone who claims to be above them. His whole unified racial theory is just another way of saying that blacks get massive upside from being around whites. Public sector is killing you trickin, you’re sundered from your kin on your mother’s side.

    But I gotta admit that, if left to their own devices, white folks certainly wouldn’t have invented such worthy concepts as the “baby mama” or “side piece,” nor would we have come up with such a rich tapestry of coordinated, world-popular dances that include the Dougie, Harlem Shake, Whip/Nae Nae or even the uber-patriotic, Americana-celebrating “Chicken Noodle”:

  26. @Wrong Side of History

    I say this as a monk myself, so, with no contempt or ridicule implied. The best way to deal with those whose drive for perfection and idealism is high, is the method the Church has always had for them:

    “So you want to be perfect? That’s great. Go to that monastery in the middle of nowhere and stay within its walls as a general rule; go sit in a cell with the door closed, wear these black robes that hide your entire body from view; then, shut your mouth and keep it shut.”

    It will channel their drives in the right direction and sever the main temptations (signaling, imposition of perfection upon others); those who develop some valuable wisdom, will wind up writing great books, giving great spiritual advice, etc., but in the meantime we keep a lid on them, for both their and others’ benefit.

  27. “LMAO. Exactly. Platitudes. From someone who claims to be above them. His whole unified racial theory is just another way of saying that blacks get massive upside from being around whites. Public sector is killing you trickin, you’re sundered from your kin on your mother’s side.”

    Lol!! Nonsense. I explained my aim in my 12:41 comment; i’m no longer on break, so can’t indulge detailed and nuanced replies. But simply put, I say if you read my point metaphorically and are a bit generous in spirit and willing to pass by the easy put down, what I say makes sense and explains much of what otherwise is often considered unexplainable.

    I mean, if it’s so cut and dried and one-sided as PA would have it, then why has the contrary circumstance existed for so long in so many renewable ways?

  28. Is one really all that important that it could forsake the other? I say no, to have a well-rounded individual. And from there, I say ‘no’ if you extend the metaphor to macro-social levels and ask the same question.

    yeah I get all that, nik, but again you have evaded my direct question as to how this applies to my people “on the ground’. I think less than 1% of the population will find your theory compelling. I suspect you don’t really have a practical application of your theory to improve the lives of those in the thick of it, here and now, which is why you keep on with these eschatological expositions

  29. I say this as a monk myself, so, with no contempt or ridicule implied. The best way to deal with those whose drive for perfection and idealism is high, is the method the Church has always had for them:

    Hey Aurelius! Odd to see you commenting here. I just read your piece Surrexit Dominus Vere! on ROK yesterday. Great stuff. As someone raised in the Jesuit tradition, I didn’t find Francis’ reenactment of the Maundy with Muslims as out of character or blasphemous. I think there is some value in the symbolism in that gesture, though I am now torn on it after reading your argument.

  30. I mean, if it’s so cut and dried and one-sided as PA would have it, then why has the contrary circumstance existed for so long in so many renewable ways?

    Not sure what you mean by that, but diversity, tolerance and multi-culturalism are extremely new in the scheme of human history… and only exist in politically stable, wealthy western countries.

  31. “I suspect you don’t really have a practical application of your theory to improve the lives of those in the thick of it, here and now, which is why you keep on with these eschatological expositions”

    I will counter by saying that the ‘practical application of my theory” is exercised every Monday through Friday, from 8 am. to 4:30 p.m. and often longer into the evening. And I emphasize that I have the non-married freedom and unburdened income to not have to do this for a living, at what is ok but hardly mind-bending pay.

    I mean, it’s my choice and I don’t deserve any special thanks —– but please don’t tell me that i don’t put my money where my mouth is.

  32. MGE: ” my contribution to the “meta” analysis of the grand unified racial theory is that on the twilight of the Obama administration, with all the racial discord that has ensued over the past 8 years and the dashed hopes of some kind of racial reconciliation… perhaps it’s time for blacks to turn inward a bit and take a long, hard look at what is going on and what their destiny is headed.”

    I totally agree and have made several comments in the past year that more or less says the exact same thing…. The whole Ferguson agit-prop nonsense was my breaking point….. y’know, you guys have every reason in the world to be offended, but I tell you the God’s honest truth: these young black kids have reaffirmed by the media and even their own teachers that the biggest thing in life they have to worry about are rabid, homicidally racist white police officers… i’ve told the story about the youjng white english teacher who was sayig stuff like “I’d be afraid of the cops too nowadays if i were black,” etc.

    When you’re young, naive and already given to youthful self-interest and personal conceits —– plus, you have the media and hipster white-female teachers feeding your sense of personal victimization, how can you really be offended when they take the bait.

    Sometimes I get galled by being dissed here when I feel I’m fighting the good fight for me and mine, dammit! lol!

    I

  33. And just to show that i’ve been clear on this post; here’s what I suggested on this subject in a comment I wrote at the end of last year on this blog, in the ‘Disgust’ post:

    “trainspotter,
    If i may have another minute re. our last give-and-take: think of it this way: white-western human and aesthetic capitol comes from its being a balance of humanity overall —- somewhere in the middle between more primitive yet vital African and Hispanic humanity, yet not as cerebral and detached as the upper-reaches of N.E. Asian and Ashkenazim aggregate IQ.

    Yet the two ‘extreme’ racial groups from that human range have something whites en masse don’t: the numbers, the total percentage of population; that’s crude —– but that, too, is a form of human capitol that has to be reckoned with in some sort of manner, and which upon being reckoned with will yield some sort of consequence, or benefit, case may be.

    I mean, perhaps as Elk says, ‘unfortunately, we’ll have to kill you off —– and perhaps that will happen. But will there not be an aesthetic cost? Will you cleanse, say, 2/5ths of the world’s population and then simply retreat into superior western morals, aesthetics and other day-to-day protocols?

    No, i say —– and without gusto or vengeance —– the white man’s burden is sublime; there’s no way around it; it’s your debt and duty from being a part of the ideal human ‘mid-range’ of evolutionary development.

    I believe in white solidarity but i do think it’s folly to yearn for this racial absolutism that is simply not possible in this day and age, never mind that the greatest single reason it’s not possible is because technological innovation and other staples of modernism, which of course are almost solely the providence of white western culture. “

  34. When you’re young, naive and already given to youthful self-interest and personal conceits —– plus, you have the media and hipster white-female teachers feeding your sense of personal victimization, how can you really be offended when they take the bait.

    Oh, so it’s the nice white ladies who are just screwing it up for everyone. If only they didn’t make that movie with Michelle Pfeiffer!

    Funny you brought that up because my local majority black school district is now embroiled in yet another embezzlement scandal resulting in the prosecution of about a dozen black principals involved in a very simplistic kickback scheme. It’s yet another scandal in the long storied history of this notoriously corrupt school district that spends far above median per pupil yet yields consistently some the worst outcomes in the country.. yet if you read editorials in the local rag written by blacks, or just peruse the Facebook comments of some of the black females I am acquainted with that work for this district… you would think it is all somehow the white man’s fault for installing an emergency financial manager, somehow an elaborate conspiracy to disenfranchise the inner city black youf… The denial is MASSIVE in my locale. The thing that irks me is that it seems like black folk want the keys to civilization and want to be taken seriously culturally, but they still want the white man to blame when things turn to shit, which they inevitably do when they take the helm. Sorry you can’t have it both ways.

  35. Sometimes I get galled by being dissed here when I feel I’m fighting the good fight for me and mine, dammit! lol!

    Well I feel you and appreciate your perspective as someone down in the trenches as well, though I probably lack the convictions you do in that task. I wonder how well your theory would play to a wider audience… lets say you wrote a book laying it out in further detail with all its HBD implications, would you inevitably be tarred as an Uncle Tom of some sort? Do you think there’s anyone among the black intelligentsia that would give it a fair hearing? Say Toure or whatshisname Ta Nootsi Coats?

  36. I believe in white solidarity but i do think it’s folly to yearn for this racial absolutism that is simply not possible in this day and age, never mind that the greatest single reason it’s not possible is because technological innovation and other staples of modernism, which of course are almost solely the providence of white western culture. “

    Ha, I knew it. Just like I just said – you’re contending that we are stuck together and should therefore make the most of it… for all of our benefit. But my point is that even if I agree with this prior sentence you’ve got to cut through the feelgood cliches and realize that there’s still virtually no benefit for white males on a mass scale, outside of the addition of a few good entertainers and a better Olympic basketball team to watch.

    The thing that irks me is that it seems like black folk want the keys to civilization and want to be taken seriously culturally,

    Well, pretty much every one of the 60+ black-run countries on the planet completely sucks. Not to mention the entire black-run continent that is packed with natural resources but still manages to teeter in Dark Age savagery. But that surely doesn’t stop blacks anywhere in the West from talking non-stop like they’re God’s absolute gift to politics and organization – at least the Mexican border jumpers have the good sense to keep their mouths shut and defer to their betters…

  37. “Is it your contention, Nikcrit, that certain races ought to be the beneficiaries of White man’s aid in exchange for the White man assuming animal husbandry-style dominion over their wards to avert demographic and ecological disasters spurred by said aid?”

    No. I don’t sign on to your rather fantastical conjecture of my original thought…..Look, just for the sake of intellectual sojourn and empathic argument, try for a moment to ditch the top-down hierarchical labeling and perspective for a moment and consider the IDEA and whatever insight may come from it, be it subordinate or not to your pre-existing pieties and attendant politics.

    You did that quite well in your ‘halfrican ubermensch post, and all the while you didn’t in any way compromise your proudly nationalist convictions and bona-fides. That goal is why I asked, after putting forth my relatively outrageous scenario, that you and other alt-righters consider the ‘middle-to-up’ view, and weigh that ‘white middlemost’-standard against the more ethereal Asian/Ashkenazim figment, which is a much less incendiary hypothetical than when looking down at those proverbial ‘muds,’ right?

  38. “Ha, I knew it. Just like I just said – you’re contending that we are stuck together and should therefore make the most of it…”

    Well, actually it was the earlier part of that comment of mine that you cite where i made the claim you’re putting forth now: whether you opt to ‘raise us up’ or ‘cleanse’ us, there’s inevitably a heavy consequence, i hope you would admit.

    btw: I can’t believe in that old comment of mine that i actually said ‘providence’ instead of ‘provenance.’ Ouch!

  39. Cam: The denial is MASSIVE in my locale. The thing that irks me is that it seems like black folk want the keys to civilization and want to be taken seriously culturally, but they still want the white man to blame when things turn to shit, which they inevitably do when they take the helm. Sorry you can’t have it both ways.

    I think your observation is a pitch-perfect example of what I point out in my late-December comment cited above: while blacks, hispanics, Asians and Ashkenazims may lack the idealized balance or mixture of the gamut of human qualities, physical and intellectual, those non-Europeans have the numbers to be of consequence, and that too is a valuable form of human capitol; European existentiality have drawn from both that vital well below and that esoteric aspiration that hovers above….you can’t just close ranks, get sovereign and kill off your evolutionary past and then snuff your aesthetic future, which is what you’re basically doing with these nationalist call for soul-snuffing detente…, No, whatever route the ‘middle-most supreme’ of humanity takes, there WILL be a consequence, it’s your aesthetic fate from being that idealized hybrid,….. yes, it’s the White Man’s Burden.”

  40. I would like to start by saying I do see Trickin’s point.

    The music that exists today exists as an evolution of Jews marketing Negro talent for song and dance to the White population. Starting with New Orleans brothels in the ’30’s and ’40’s where blacks would play Jazz while White patrons got their rocks off, to the communist use of Rock’n’Roll for psychological subversion, and then to Reggae and Rap.

    Even the ’80’s type stuff that folks around here like may not have evolved as it did without the cultural influence of blacks and the ability of the Jews to make it more palatable for us. I don’t want a world without rock’n’roll. I like the music that evolved and it touches me in ways that pre-multicult music can’t.

    The book which turned me from a pot-smoking liberal into a neo-nahtzee (well, the final trigger for what I guess was inevitable) is the copy of Soul On Ice by Eldridge Cleaver I read in college. But I found believable his description of how White people never really danced with our hearts… where he talks about how the reason JFK won the election is his daughters doing “The Twist”. How niggas sort of gave white people “permission” to dance. I buy it. My Grandma once told me she never learned to dance because it was considered sinful when she was a girl.

    And I would like my sons, if I have any, to learn modern MMA, which would not become as good as it is without the influence of Eastern martial arts. And I’m trying to learn to make a better Butter Chicken. Curry is frankly more advanced culinary technology than anything developed in Europe.

    And I know that our race will be much stronger, more free, and more independent than we could have been before when the brutal lessons about propaganda and population control the Djooze have taught us finally sink in. Truly the mess we are in now was necessary in the journey for us to become a master race.

    But I have a lot to say on this subject. I have to go now but I want to start with this.

  41. JFC Heretic, please stop encouraging Trickdaddy with this kinda BS.

    We can import all the curry we need, we don’t need to let 10 million South Asians into the country to make a few simple dishes. Pop musical entertainment is empty, vapid and useless to an advanced society in the long term, and MMA is not good to teach to a kid, it doesn’t pay anything and they will be showing serious signs of head trauma by age 30 like all those groggy-looking, fish-eyed Brazilians you see on UFC. Teach kids a real, sustainable discipline like boxing or wrestling, they can morph that into MMA later if they want. And of course black people are good at dancing, if you do something for 8 hours a day for your entire life you ought to get good at it, even Malcolm Gladwell knows that.

    But what does any of this have to do with making sure that Western Societies are populated with people that have the values, abilities and temperament to sustain them? These curry makers and soul dancers have votes here.

  42. that you and other alt-righters consider the ‘middle-to-up’ view, and weigh that ‘white middlemost’-standard against the more ethereal Asian/Ashkenazim figment

    But I reject your very premise of some sort of polarity between extreme races with Europeans at some kind of a sweet spot. If you mix an Asian and an African you don’t get Dolph Lundgren, you get a really ugly Asian or a really bizarre looking Black.

    There is nothing exceptionally “ethereal” about Jews, who are shrewd and clannish, nor about Asians, who are simply a different branch of human evolution, not some future man prototype.

    I refuted your original assertion in the original post, others in the comments. I understand it’s a personal and supra-rational matter to you. I am sympathetic, which is why I frankly wrote that very friendly “Superman” post. Take existential comfort in the possibility of cross-racial contact between the class/ intellectual/ character equals that I linked to in the OP, and leave the Royal Buffet niggers to their natural level. (yeah, that’s what they are — dressed up jungle monkeys who can’t behave in such a regal venue as a Chinese buffet.) But I already know that you won’t take my generous words, because you tie your essence to Mr. and Miss Royal Buffet.

    We too have supra-rational fears and dreams. The goofiest “Carlton” African American is secure in the knowledge that Africa is pumping out two billion bobble-headed pureblooded Africans. We are staring into the abyss of extinction because we have been marked for genocide and we’re fighting against it in a global propaganda war.

    Let that sink in to your thick skull. You too, please have some fucking understanding. White Nationalism is something you just don’t get. We have certain non-negotiable demands and you just have to accept this.

  43. But what does any of this have to do with making sure that Western Societies are populated with people that have the values, abilities and temperament to sustain them?

    But that’s on solely the Western Europeans to up their pop-replacement levels. Or are you suggesting that NAMs are somehow responsible for that squalid metric as well —— that we, given our natural inclinations to be pimps, need to be more effective procurers for whites looking to procreate?

    If that’s truly the case, you folks truly have gone soft, culturally and physically.

    Seriously, though: I am all for more white European population; I am reverent of my own and other such ethnicity and i have never claimed otherwise. I often see the biggest obstacle to white regeneration, as TD put it, or the general thriving of white people and white culture as impeded by those who are white themselves.

    For my part, I also just want to make this clear: I may believe in certain scientific premises of HBD, but NOT certain other presumptions that almost always follow: e.g., black Americans and black Africans have a lower IQ on average but I still love them and don’t believe their on-average abilities are something that should exclude them or devalue them or deem them worthy of exploitation or reduced legal rights or anything of the sort.

    That’s probably redundant here but not clear to many and I think that position needs to be pushed by those who do give merit to HBD as science. Being defensive about it may be a well-earned right among white advocates, but practically speaking I’m afraid such a stance still won’t get you anywhere.

  44. I’m afraid such a stance still won’t get you anywhere

    If you could resist your urge to advise us on how to write, that would be terrific.

  45. @PA,

    I wasn’t suggesting how to write; i just think it’s good to qualify pro-HBD stances; I feel squeamish about advancing some of its points, which aren’t as rare in the NAMdom as you might guess……

    One thing i want to be clear about: If you notice, my very ‘human gamut’ theory about race places whites at perhaps the pinnacle factor needed for human regeneration and survival; neither myself or ‘Carlton’ take any comfort in the thought of 2 billion undernourished and under-needed infants being born and IN need.
    To me, to presume the opposite doesn’t even follow; I have no schadenfreunde for whites; this, from someone who knows what it’s like to live in a totally prole NAM world.

    I’ll shut up now, but that last point i wanted to make clear; as i still marvel over why someone would think otherwise.

    O.T.: it’s amazing how much a city can be transformed by a political primary; there are cable-news trucks/broadcasters/special events everywhere!

  46. ” I have no schadenfreunde for whites;” but all other nonwhites do have such schadenfreude and are quite openly proud about it.

  47. “I think your observation is a pitch-perfect example of what I point out in my late-December comment cited above: while blacks, hispanics, Asians and Ashkenazims may lack the idealized balance or mixture of the gamut of human qualities, physical and intellectual, those non-Europeans have the numbers to be of consequence, and that too is a valuable form of human capitol; European existentiality have drawn from both that vital well below and that esoteric aspiration that hovers above….you can’t just close ranks, get sovereign and kill off your evolutionary past and then snuff your aesthetic future, which is what you’re basically doing with these nationalist call for soul-snuffing detente…, ”

    –I’m late to the party and scratching my head whether this ‘trickdaddy’ character is some licensed alter ego for nikcrit when he’s in some certain mood, but how in Heaven’s name is one supposed to parse this gibberish? Who salutes an observation as “pitch-perfect”? Who cares how many non-Europeans there are so long as they stay at home (many of them have quite lovely and expansive territories) and tend their own gardens? If their populations contain valuable human capital, great!– China is welcome to their moon colony, and Zimbabwe too if they can find the wherewithal to make it. Now what is this “vital well below” or this “esoteric aspiration that hovers above” in the European soul– and this is a guy who read Nietzsche in detention asking this. Why the f**k can we not “get sovereign” (aren’t the Han Chinese sovereign someplace where they enjoy closed ranks?)? How is White people staying White “kill[ing[ off” our evolutionary past when we’re not mulattos already? And what the hell is this “aesthetic fture” you claim we’re about to absentmindedly “snuff”– oh, I guess that’s the blessing of our 92IQ mutt grandkids you’re thinking about. Funny, when I talk about the aesthetic future of White people I’m thinking more about when we can get our next J. S. Bach– or at least keep up a few good chamber orchestras. And, judging by the Tel Aviv Philharmonic, we should be able to play just fine sans Jewish aplicants, to say nothing of Condi Rice’s nappy little brain . . . .

  48. I think your observation is a pitch-perfect example of what I point out in my late-December comment cited above: while blacks, hispanics, Asians and Ashkenazims may lack the idealized balance or mixture of the gamut of human qualities, physical and intellectual, those non-Europeans have the numbers to be of consequence, and that too is a valuable form of human capitol; European existentiality have drawn from both that vital well below and that esoteric aspiration that hovers above….you can’t just close ranks, get sovereign and kill off your evolutionary past and then snuff your aesthetic future, which is what you’re basically doing with these nationalist call for soul-snuffing detente…, No, whatever route the ‘middle-most supreme’ of humanity takes, there WILL be a consequence, it’s your aesthetic fate from being that idealized hybrid,….. yes, it’s the White Man’s Burden.”

    I’m not sure why you directed your response toward Camlost instead of me. But anyway, I think out of anyone here, I am the most sympathetic toward your “grand unified theory.” I think it’s eloquently stated and there is some merit to it. I’m certainly not interested in “snuffing out” anyone. I’m not a radical.

    All I’m trying to do is bring it down to earth just a bit (I think you and thordaddy can be a bit too abstract and philosophical at times). So, whats the praxis, nikcrit? THAT’s what I’m interested in. What are the concrete changes you would make within the framework of your theory that would benefit me and mine and you and yours? What would you do to help the aforementioned school district? What kind of welfare policies changes would you put into place? What kind of policing and criminal justice policies would you enact?

  49. I was only paying lip service to the fact that we are in fact better for having interacted with other races. Of course this does not rob us of the right to our independence and survival and choose our destiny. Butter Chicken as a justification for White Genocide is a non-argument. But it must be said that there are certain things we hadn’t…
    “learned” yet 100 years ago. Also our adventurous spirit will always seek out the “other” because it’s the type of people we are. Explorers.

    In reference to my picture above, I want to talk about this:

    “that caucasians are sort-of an idealized ‘super-middlemost’ hybrid of humanity writ large and, to cut to the chase, are ultimately driven by a compulsion but ultimately by a ‘fate’ to create idealized norm; e.g., in other words, I’m afraid that the 20th-century proverbial ‘white Man’s Burden” is sublime and is a existential duty that is inescapable; there would be insufferable penalties if you neglected it—–”

    This notion nikcrit has about an “idealized norm” is very interesting to me.

    Early on in my racism, I formulated a theory about something I call the “White Normality Fallacy”. It’s the fallacious assumption that Political Correctard “anti-racists” have with their thinking. Namely, the idea that Whites are not a race or an ethnic group, but the absence of one. Like plain yogurt. We don’t really exist as having an identity, were just “normal”. The sign in the picture was a fuck-up on the part of our enemies where they slipped and exposed what is wrong with their thinking.

    Observation shows that anti-whites are heavily invested in this fallacy and have taken extensive measures to having it challenged. Refer to Noel Ignatiev’s “Race Traitor Magazine” for the more obvious example. (Yes, it was actually called that, courtesy of Harvard.) This is the source of why “diversity” just means less White.

    Pampered White Liberal Yuppies grow up in a safe, comfortable environment where browns are “other”. So their natural inclination is, as expected, to think of themselves as “normal” and browns as “other”. While this is a normal inclination, a reasonable adult understands that to someone else, they are “normal” and you are “other”. Understanding that you are “other” to “others” and “normal” to yourself, is what helps you form an “identity”. However, Political Correctards are not reasonable adults who are capable of operating on that level of maturity. I found it wishful thinking and hard to believe that they really actually were this stupid, but the pudding is all around us and is evident in how they think.

    They are seriously unwilling to actually conceptualize pride and loyalty in their race as an extension of self. The idea that they are themselves a unique people as Whites is alien to them. They seriously don’t, or won’t fucking get it. They don’t see themselves as part of the “White race” which is some evil oppressive force, they see themselves as “normal” and that the idea of the “white race” is an evil invention to exclude certain people from “normality” and keep them “marginalized”. Their existence is the only valid one, and they genuinely rationalize the notion that they are their own type of special as wanting to “pick on browns because they are different.” When we try to explain it to them they dismiss it because they truly don’t believe us. They seriously think that browns need “normals” to speak for them and they are doing something valuable, that by suppressing all “whiteness” they are admitting browns to the “normal” club. They truly think that because they are White everyone wants to be like them. They seriously think it’s a “compliment” when millions of browns flood into our nations.
    “Oh all these wonderful people want to join us and be like me! It’s so sad that we’ve been so mean by excluding them! I’m so fucking special!”

    They hide from the idea that they are cowardly chicken shits who tuck their dicks between their legs and cluck while their people are conquered and their lands are overrun with this assclown bullshit.

    So I found it very interesting to hear nikcrit say he thinks of white people as an “idealized norm” as shitlibs think of themselves.

    It makes me wonder how they would squirm out of confessing their fallacy if put on the spot by a mulatto like him if he told them they have a “White man’s burden”

    Lol.

  50. rephrase:

    “They hide from the idea live in denial that they are cowardly chicken shits who tuck their dicks between their legs and cluck while their people are conquered and their lands are overrun with this assclown bullshit.”

    Its not an “idea”. It’s obvious truth if you are honest with yourself. Shitlibs are lying to themselves that they are “good people” and not cowards for their “antiracism”.
    Trust me, I know.

    And I know that when a Socialist looks himself in the mirror to face his moral cowardice and becomes a Nationalist,

    Well,
    that’s what you get.

    The future is interesting, fellas.

  51. ot@cam,
    Looks like your alma mater luck is running out….down 3 with 13.5 to go.

    Not my alma mater, sir. In retrospect I did end up wishing I had chose that school, though.

  52. I was only paying lip service to the fact that we are in fact better for having interacted with other races. Of course this does not rob us of the right to our independence and survival and choose our destiny. Butter Chicken as a justification for White Genocide is a non-argument. But it must be said that there are certain things we hadn’t…

    Well yeah, I knew you weren’t making any outlandish claims like that.

    But one thing that few people seem to understand is that culture is transferrable. We are able to talk using the Roman-influenced alphabet, which came from the Phoenicians. We use the Hindu-Arabic numbering system, and even Marine Le Pen surely drinks coffee, which only came to the west through Arab traders.

    But this doesn’t mean that we “need” any of these folks actually inhabiting our nations with us, we can just buy or trade for whatever we want. And even consumer/entertainment goods do come with some adjunct cultural values attached, as non-Western countries learn when they import American TV programming and find that it is changing their younger generation.

  53. “Not my alma mater, sir.”

    Really? I thought I recall you saying as much; hope you’re not a ‘Coach K’ acolyte…..

    @et.al: I apologize for my excessiveness yesterday; got on a flow during some downtime fresh into a slow ‘back-to-work week; then, lubricated the gears a bit while watching the poli-primary spin and the pre-NCAA final hype —-( I could’ve used that breathalyzer that peterike said should be attached to blog commentary ‘send’ fields).

  54. black Americans and black Africans have a lower IQ on average but I still love them and don’t believe their on-average abilities are something that should exclude them or devalue them or deem them worthy of exploitation or reduced legal rights or anything of the sort.

    Just because I disagreed with your contention that whites “need” others doesn’t mean that I devalue these “other” folks or that I don’t think that they can (and do) have positive, redeeming qualities.

    And who is really arguing for reduced legal rights in the USA based on IQ? That’s not even in the realm of possibilities when we’re struggling to even get people off the notion that white cops are just randomly gunning down mass numbers of black youth daily. Half of the country still believes that Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown were shot in the back, for God’s sake.

    My point is to let less (or no) low-IQ types into the country for 2 reasons – one being that the USA already has a large enough underclass and the other being that we don’t need to keep adding people of differing abilities and tendencies because they can’t and/or won’t assimilate as well as those already here (and the net result is monetary cost, one way or another). The Democratic Party thinks that adding non-whites is some kind of magic bullet for curing America’s ills but they’ll be sorry when average income starts dropping quickly and the tax base gets too weak to accomplish all of their massive programs.

  55. Really? I thought I recall you saying as much; hope you’re not a ‘Coach K’ acolyte…..

    LOL, no there’s a 3rd school there.

  56. nikcrit

    “But what I feel you’re overlooking is that i was making my argument in the mode of ‘the grand sweep of things,’ epoch-like, or even in terms of evolutionary units of influence of measure; the trends and tendencies from antiquity to our here and now.”
    ——————————————————————————————-

    Good luck with that nikcrit.

    Most white nationalists are not interested in the larger philosophical and existential questions and consequences of their contemporary racial agenda; at least I haven’t found any?

    But I commend you for raising it because its a necessary step WN must take on the road to producing a coherent WN narrative, because right now there isn’t one; and its the main impediment to masses of white people adopting, supporting and defending White Nationalism.

    No one wants to do it because of the difficulty it entails; they’d rather post videos of the latest black on white crime or the most recent white woman mudshark… the current WN narrative is too cartoonish and vulgar; why do you think Julius Evola and Francis Yockey remain so largely unknown?

    *sigh*

    You may hafta start your own blog in order to get into ‘the grand sweep of things,’ epoch-like, or even in terms of evolutionary units of influence of measure; the trends and tendencies from antiquity to our here and now” because most WN are either unwilling and/or unable to go there?

    To sum up; trying to reduce White Nationalism to 14 words may do more harm than good because at the end of the day a narrative is still not coherent if its incomplete.

    Basing an identity on your oppression has gotten black people nowhere; hell, even Jews have a grand sweep of things,’ epoch-like, or even in terms of evolutionary units of influence of measure; the trends and tendencies from antiquity to our here and now.” they deploy to sustain themselves?

    Why should white people be any different?

  57. The problem with the ‘grand sweep of things’ is that it is unbearably pretentious, unless your name is Ghengis Khan or Black Elk.

    That is not just a joke, it is a criticism of WN. A bunch of regular people sitting around talking about the future of the White Race, as if they have a say. Give me a fucking break.

    That said, it is fun to talk about, but it has to be kept in perspective. The perspective of a basement wank for sci-fi weirdos.

    In therms [therms?] of a saleable brand, that sorta shit should be avoided like the plague, because it is grandiose and delusional to think that any mortal person has that kind of influence.

    Unless you are the jews in which case it seems to work for them.

  58. But i absolutely agree that WN needs some branding, and frankly am amazed that it is lagging in that regard.

    Or actually i am not amazed because by and large white people suck. As an example of how white people suck, here is a comment this morning from takimag,

    Every time I see a beta male riding a bicycle on the streets near my house, riding in the middle of the road even though he knows I am behind him, thinking he owns the road and is morally superior to me as I ride my polluting car, man am I tempted to run him over.

    This comment gets abundant upvotes from the Taki crowd who are alt-righters to the man.

    But they don’t want people on bicycles because they are in the way of the cars.

    It is a personal issue with me, but it goes to the larger point, that white people are going nowhere. People in cars can’t even get along with people in bikes. Those are all white people and they hate other.

    And it also illustrates the larger point that we are unable to create meaningful societies where people get around and go places. And that is everything. Can’t even figure out how to use the roadways.

  59. I am too irritated to make the larger point with much clarity, but it would be worth making.

    It is just simply another example of how white people are not engaged in a meaningful collective, and working together in a common cause, and so they turn on each other, they don’t get along, they look at themselves for problems and enemies rather than having something in common to work from.

    I am amazed how demonized bicyclists are. The right including alt-righters hates bicyclists because they are associated with leftism and environmentalism.

    And the right is all about their cars and gasoline and burning oil then?

    Fuck that agenda. More roads, more suburbanization, more development. The alt-right cannot even put those basic problems of civilization, which have been around for at least 100 years (Tolkien was complaining about them) – cannot even face up to those complaints about the shittiness of these societies that we create.

    Driving around and making parking lots is no way to go through life, son. But hey that’s America love it or leave it, what are you some kind of environmentalist?

  60. To try to tie this together – that is the basic criticism of the right, which includes the alt-right:

    Is that they never answered the hippies and their longing for a meaningful world.

    That is a book length post that somebody needs to write.

    To this day, the right which includes the alt-right, is not able to come up with a more HOLISTIC vision of … society and us in it.

    Trump is a good example of this failure of the right which includes the alt-right. This guy made his money in real estate and developing casinos. So he is our guy now?

    Now i am not a pacifist hippie, and know that the nature of the world is not about peace and love, and so there is no solution that does not involve some dead animals.

    So kill em all. Let’s do it!

  61. Driving around in service to the economy. How many people, on the roads in their cars, are engaged in anything worthwhile.

    Most people have a hard time coming up with something to do with themselves, during their allotment, so that’s ok.

    But we can’t manage our societies. That is just a fact. It is a matter scale. That explanation is pretty basic. We are just not evolved to live beyond our small groups.

    The unique Euro gene sets west of that Hajnal Line, that allowed us to prosper as nation-level groups, were a bizarre circumstance. I forget what the explanation is, for the development of those gene sets for trusting outside of the kinship group.

    Am i talking word salad here? Aryan skynet awake. Now is the hour, Riders of Rohan! Shields will be shattered, spears will be shaken, a sure day, a red day, ere the Sun rises!

  62. I should stop with the crazy talk, but one more point, which hopefully can get treated at a more considered pace later.

    The frustration as a white man, is how our unique gene sets are now at a disadvantage.

    (And if you want to all that bitching? shut the fuck up because you are missing the point.)

    We were evolved to get along with our neighbors in a society where we could expect some reciprocity. And now it’s a bunch a Somalis who let each other ride the bus for free … and also deliver my mail?

    And those ever present nigg … ehr, Somalis, puts us ALL on the front lines.

  63. –We were evolved to get along with our neighbors in a society where we could expect some reciprocity

    We also evolved to eradicate that which passes our disgust threshold.

    –Driving around in service to the economy.

    There is a direct line of causality from Brown vs Board to morning rush hour.

  64. They are everywhere, by the way. I did want to respond to trickin’s special placement of himself, as up on the front lines.

    Uh, hello. That is the whole problem, is that one does not have to go down inner city Milwaukee or Gary wherever, for the front line special.

    They are everywhere, and even more than that is how they OVER-REPRESENT their numbers by being out in the public space, whether it be the bus or the library or wherever.

    People still try and segregate as much as they can, but it is worth noting how those public spaces which are supposed to be available to all, get taken over by groups such as (around here) Somalis and Eritreans and Liberians and Hispanics.

    The white people still dominate … the cafe. But forget about the library. At my local cutesy library which has an excellent prairie style design, now it’s the immigrant africans who KNOW that they are taking over and LOVE it. This library now (get this), has available for checkout … bike locks. Just a coincidence, … or maybe not!

  65. “They are everywhere, and even more than that is how they OVER-REPRESENT their numbers by being out in the public space, whether it be the bus or the library or wherever.”

    I guess you’re in trouble then, elk, because I believe among major US cities, the lowest percentage of black Americans residing in those cities are in the Twin Cities, Portland and :Seattle …..

    btw. elk: are you familiar with the jazz trio, Happy Apple?

  66. They are everywhere, and even more than that is how they OVER-REPRESENT their numbers by being out in the public space, whether it be the bus or the library or wherever.

    People still try and segregate as much as they can, but it is worth noting how those public spaces which are supposed to be available to all, get taken over by groups such as (around here) Somalis and Eritreans and Liberians and Hispanics.

    These people tend to live in very cramped, sub-standard and sometimes dangerous housing, so getting out into public space is often very welcome for them. Hispanics may (literally) live in ratty apartments full of mattresses featuring strangers and also 3 generations of the family, many of whom can’t be fun for a child to be around. One of the things that killed the availability of cheap, safe living arrangements for young urban whites is when the government passed fair housing laws that ended discriminated against those with children – before that you could live in apt complexes full of striving, career-starting whites but afterwards you have 7 single mammy Le’Tronishas and Shanices moving in with their 4 children.

    Even lower income white folks generally don’t think the beat up urban park down the street is nice enough to merit a large get together, and wouldn’t use the nasty old worn out grills there to make food, but it works for blacks and Hispanics. Down South black people have massive family reunions in public parks that they don’t actually bother to reserve, they just bogart the whole park and no one says anything. They even get T-shirts printed up and have a DJ come in an set up shop playing all manner of loud, obscenity-laden rap in front of all generations present.

    If you remember that incident last summer where the Texas cop slammed the teen girl who annoyed him, this is exactly what happened – some black momma decided to have a for-profit party at a pool facility she didn’t reserve, printing up fliers and inviting mass numbers of chaotic “teens” who were not allowed there:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-suspended-girl-videotaped-pool-party-bust-article-1.2249931

    But yes, I’d have to agree that no matter where you go the presence of blacks is going to be vastly overstated by what you see in plain view due to their gregariousness and love for socializing in large volume. My brother-in-law is a cop down South and he tells me that their department talks about how black children “grow up outside.”

  67. Its not an “idea”. It’s obvious truth if you are honest with yourself. Shitlibs are lying to themselves that they are “good people” and not cowards for their “antiracism”.
    Trust me, I know.

    Yes, you are right. They just want to be “nice” people and and they deduce that those of less economic means must be that way due to “oppression” – they simply can’t imagine people that don’t live the same sort of well-planned, organized lives as them from inside their safe bubble. I don’t comment on politics on Facebook but I do sit back and monitor the crazy stuff that my SWPL friends post on there – many of them live in “transitional” areas but send their kids to expensive private schools, or post stupid memes that attack gentrification for its “racism” when they’re just another gentrifier themselves. And when I occasionally point out that they have no black neighbors as friends and never discuss politics with black people (despite living in 85%+ black areas) they don’t take to it too kindly.

    The majority of white liberals are just suffering from a misguided and twisted sense of altruism and the absolute worst among their number can only be cured by an economic depression or SHTF type of political catastrophe.

  68. The first problem most “white” race-realists fail to solve is with “white nationalism” itself…

    “White nationalism” IS NOT A MANNER OF being

    White nationalism IS A CLAIM… An ASSERTION… That one embraces or rejects, period.

    White nationalism is the claim and the assertion that the white man may live separately, in peace, amongst his fellow white man if he so desires.

    This creates two realities. First, it clearly divides friend from foe only depending upon whether one embraces or rejects the wn assertion. Secondly, it puts the individual white male in a new frame of mind once the matter of embracing the wn assertion is a foregone conclusion. Now, the matter of being in the heart and mind as one who desires to live independently amongst his fellow white men leads to wS and the idea of creating The Land of white Supremacy. This is obviously the sole and souled task of the still regenerate-minded high IQ white man.

  69. Why continue to tell a person he is sick, but only because he eats way too much broccoli?

    A “white” liberal who kills himself = altruist?

    Or, is it “pathological altruist?”

    Why not just say, “self-annihilator?”

    The “white” liberal desires self-annihilation? Why not just be clear about it so that the motivation to separate doesn’t somehow through the magic of mediation look like a diss of the liberal’s “altruistic” impulse?

  70. Elk hit on something I’ve stated elsewhere…

    The greatest obstacle for the nascent “wn” is actually loving his fellow white man.

    The reality is that “we” can be honest about the paucity of this mutual love AND STILL work towards wS… But only “we…” The rest of the “white” boys? What do they get?

  71. There are plenty of “white” self-annihilators that wouid buy into Nikcrit’s “grand theory.”

    BUT ONLY BECAUSE… There is a mass denial concerning the “white” self-annihilators themselves…

    So even as “they” insidiously and ideologically work to their own demise, the motivation to embrace a “middle-man apex” seems all the more the absurdly liberal thing to buy into.

    PS “White Man’s Burden” is now passive cuck-speak for wS. It is the difference between assessing a “thing” relatively versus absolutely and for those who accept objective Supremacy as “hard reality,” the knowledge that the internally-derived burden is always more awful than the externally-imposed one.

  72. PS “White Man’s Burden” is now passive cuck-speak for wS.

    I suggested so much in my first comment on this thread but Nikcrit dodged the full implications of what I pointed out to him.

  73. Thwack…

    The fact that the mass of wn might not ponder the larger questions means little in the meta-scheme when it is always the small cabal of high intelligence that authors and produces the Narrative. The masses are to follow as masses have always followed and will always follow until they become not a mass any longer. So individually, each wn — which is really just one who embraces the wn assertion and sees enemy in those that reject the wn claim — decides whether to advance to wS understanding that the ONLY TRUE ENEMY of the current zeitgeist is the genuine wS… All “others” being some degree of radical liberationist… A “friend” of the zeitgeist.

    So the above is a one-two step… Very memetically palatable to the everyday white male. He can truthfully assess himself within these parameters. The simplicity doesn’t allow for viable fence-sitting. It is not philosophical though it touches on existential questions.

  74. PA…

    Yet… You are still giving primary credence to the LIBERAL CONCEPTION of “white supremacy” VERSUS conceptualizing wS in the absolute sense so that your PERSONAL defense of wS is inherently unassailable…

    Liberal conception of “white supremacy” = PA & Co. “lording” over the radical “black” mass…

    ABSOLUTE conception of white Supremacy = PA striving towards objective Supremacy AS A white man, SUBSEQUENTLY separating from the degenerate masses…

    “They” want liberation without separation.

    “We” want separation without liberation…

  75. Lawrence Auster made this point long ago for those former “readers” turned “haters” that if MacDonald’s theory of Jewish-ethno survival were true THEN it was TRUE and nothing can change that truth. But, the truth is that Lawrence Auster, a Jewish ethnic, CONVERTED to wS in every way, but the label itself (where his critics STILL HAVE NOT… Cesar, conservative swede, Tanstaafl???). And even there, his critiquers both blamed him for his INHERENT bias and gave him no credit for it supposed truthfulness… Er, Mr. Auster, as a Jewish ethnic and full grasp of history, just could not bring himself to self-identify under the label EVEN THOUGH he stated his belief in such IN THE ABSOLUTE SENSE…

    The operating paradigm is God-ordained free will… Those who embrace it versus those who reject it…

    When a “white” male converts to wS then he tells the world he OPERATES under the “force” of God-ordained free will. And this belief, IN THE LEAST, orients one towards striving for objective Supremacy. For what could be the purpose of possessing God-ordained free will other than to fly as high as possible? Or, to experience grace? Or perhaps, witness a miracle? Or mainly, live like you desired to live.

  76. PS “White Man’s Burden” is now passive cuck-speak for wS.

    But isn’t that actually a ‘good thing?’ “That”, meaning implicit in the term “White Man’s Burden” is the very OBJECTIVE SUPREMACISM you’ve been compulsively demanding year after year?

    The implicit social obligation such status confers is a separate issue, on that you may or may not agree with (and I suspect the later). But in and of itself does not compromise the supremacism of WMB inherent in my definition of WMB; e.g., the ‘supremacism’ is the result of a random but choice and quality mixture (sorta like a premium coffee, eh?)

  77. @PA, im sorry but could you end the italics after the first line — or let me resubmit this? i feel it’s a specific question i’ve been wanting thor to address for a long time and want to be clear and specifc, but unfortunately i typo’ed on the italics.

    Thanks in advance for any consideration on this matter, nikcrit.

  78. On a different note, this Munk Debate from Toronto is a good watch for anyone who has the patience.

    The motion: Be it resolved, give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free …

    Pro: Louise Arbour and Simon Schama
    Con: Nigel Farage and Mark Steyn

    Steyn really kicks ass and Nigel has a super cool looking suit, very dapper. That is how i would want to dress, in that situation.

    Simon Schama gets beat down but he takes it gracefully.

    The insufferable liberal piety is by Louise Arbour, who coincidentally is a woman. The cliches and nonsense that she spouts is so insane that it has to be a woman.

    I think that debate would be a great starting point for a summary of Where We Are Now. The end result is 45% opposed, and considering that is Canada and that venue, that actually is not bad.

    But they don’t talks about the issues in terms of Identity. It almost comes up a little bit here and there.

    Steyn’s closing speech is excellent. He is very talented. It is fun to see that the good guys have more life in them. That itself is argument in the form of Identity.

  79. I see that Wisconsin went to Cruz.

    How anyone can look at his ealpout face and then vote for him.

  80. The ealpout is apparently somewhat of a noble fish. There is a cult around it, among real men of the North. I bet those guys went for Trump, and that it was Milwaukee and Madison that fucked it up.

  81. “How anyone can look at his ealpout face and then vote for him”

    Must confess, I am very familiar with people from the following voter demographics:

    – Shitlib leftists, some sharp of wit but all appear to be missing that part of the brain that connects one cluster of thoughts with another and oblivious to their imbecilic inconsistency

    – Respectable high-powered upper middle class quasi-cuck Beltway Republicans deeply ensconced in the military industrial complex

    – Cynical Rednecks and working class family men who either feel you out before hinting to a racissss sentiment, or have a ZFG attitude about their views

    – Well-informed and highly intelligent Alt-Righters (not exactly a demographic, just a handful people of my acquaintance who read the same blogs I do and are wide awake)

    The above are common in my metropolitan mid-Atlantic region. But I have no acquaintance with the mid-Western nicety-nice evangelical anti-racist naivete.

  82. I see that Wisconsin went to Cruz.

    Yeah, my bold prediction sort-of imploded on me and the exact opposite developed of what I predicted. I now think Wis is going to be the turning-point in which the PTB began to take out Trump. Fuckin’ Cruz! Unbelievable. The concept of him being some sort of status-quo rallying force is just so squalid and insane.

  83. Milwaukee GOPs perhaps pulled the lever for Cruz; but i’m certain neither Trump nor Cruz did much damage in Madison. it’ll be interesting to look at the day-after winners-by-precinct or district or even suburb-by-suburb: in Milwaukee, the western ‘burbs all go red, and are mainly catholics, lutherans and evangelicals; while the northern lakeshore ‘burbs are pretty much all blue, with the decisive element there being nearly 50% Jewish population.

  84. Nikcrit…

    No… It is not good for those discussing “White Man’s Burden” to do so in order to obfuscate on the issue of wS. Because there are essentially two competing versions of wS (not really, but for the sake of arguing liberals), to discuss “White Man’s Burden” ONLY as it idealizes “white supremacy” as intricately and interminably connected to the “black” collective IS bad, bad, bad. And of course, such myopic discussion is bad because NOTHING could be further from the truth. The real white man’s burden is to strive towards objective Supremacy AS A white man, absolutely. This is the ONLY REAL TABOO in a radically liberated environment. But, it MUST ALSO BE the next radical step for that awakening “white” self-annihilator.

    So when I state that “White Man’s Burden” is passive cuck-speech for “white supremacy,” I am saying that within the confines of the mind of the cuck is the manner in which he keeps his flock within the chicken coop of Liberalism.

  85. LOL. Well said. He’s got a weasel-like vibe that you described perfectly.

    PS “White Man’s Burden” is now passive cuck-speak for wS.

    But isn’t that actually a ‘good thing?’

    Good? For whom? We all don’t have the same wants and needs, as you should know from working in public schools. All this stuff that you’re saying about “needing each other” just amounts to Obamist Democrat-speak for let’s have the White man pay the bills. Its kinda like people standing around scratching their heads wondering why Latinos and Blacks vote so overwhelmingly Democratic – duh, it’s because they don’t pay squat in taxes.

    The concept of him being some sort of status-quo rallying force is just so squalid and insane.

    That’s why I’ve been saying that the movement isn’t about him personally. The ideas he’s uncovered (stumbled upon, actually) will have great importance for Core Americans even if he doesn’t win the nomination – and those ideas might have to be picked up and advanced by someone more polished and less abrasive than him. And if Trump doesn’t gain the nomination whoever does will do significantly worse in the general election than even Romney.

    @ Nikcrit – do you remember the very first new tax that Obama passed in 2008 to fund Obamacare?

  86. Whoa, whoa, whoa – Eeelpout is a real fish? I thought Elk was joking? lol … I’m sure the Eelpout festival in Minnesota is quite a lovely event.

  87. those ideas might have to be picked up and advanced by someone more polished and less abrasive than him.

    I’d quibble on Trump being coarse, that being 3/4 media caricature and 1/4 reality. But his successor will have to be younger. At 70, Trump is showing superhuman endurance on the campaign trail, with the every power-center in the country hostile to him. No doubt he draws energy from his conviction, good health and the support he’s shown at rallies.

  88. I’d quibble on Trump being coarse, that being 3/4 media caricature and 1/4 reality.

    Yeah, part of the attraction with him is the feisty IDGAF attitude, especially after that complete dud Romney. But I do believe that he’s wasted too much time on little interpersonal insults that are meaningless to his candidacy, and that has galvanized some white women voters against him, especially 8 years of the very measured, calculated and slick prompter-fications that have emanated from the HNIC Kenyan we’ve had in office.

    But he does seem to be somewhat weak on one quality that Nixon always lauded as absolutely necessary to Presidential candidates – magnanimity. In his haste to show zeal and fighting spirit he’s letting himself get bogged down with occasional instances of pettiness.

  89. Cam,

    I never meant for that comment of mine to be so scrutinized; actually, if i knew our host was going to make sport of it, i would’ve changed the last few sentences, which i knew evoked a sort-of cloying ‘can’t we all get-a-long vibe’—- but that was not my intention. That comment was meant to be taken in terms of a aesthetic that possibly developed over the thousands of millenia that comprise evolutionary change…, so back off a bit; you’re aversion to dem-happy platitudes are well-established so you don’t have to zero in on that one, single aspect each and every time……. as for my ‘squalid and insane’ remark, i was speaking of Cruz, not Trump, which i think you mistakenly assume.

    But mostly I urge you to consider this: not every academic hypothetical traces back to a referendum on whether or not its merit will cause a rise or decrease in the White Man’s Tax Burden… 🙂

  90. But mostly I urge you to consider this: not every academic hypothetical traces back to a referendum on whether or not its merit will cause a rise or decrease in the White Man’s Tax Burden…

    The hell it doesn’t. For someone so well read I’m finding it hard to believe that they didn’t teach you any Marxist or economic literary criticism up there in Madison? Or else you didn’t feel the need to subscribe to it, having a store of your own literary wisdom? You know, even an old racist reactionary Republican like myself can still discuss the material dialectic and all of that stuff – it all goes back to economics, in one way or another.

    so back off a bit; you’re aversion to dem-happy platitudes are well-established so you don’t have to zero in on that one, single aspect each and every time

    In summary, I didn’t know what the hell I was talking about and failed miserably at detecting your overall motive – but nevertheless I probably achieved the greater good of ensuring that you’ll take pains to steer wide and clear of corny bromides going forward. Sounds like I’m doing my part to make America great again. 🙂

  91. thordaddy

    “The fact that the mass of wn might not ponder the larger questions means little in the meta-scheme when it is always the small cabal of high intelligence that authors and produces the Narrative. The masses are to follow as masses have always followed and will always follow until they become not a mass any longer.”
    ———————————————————————————————————–

    You are correct that a small cabal of high intelligence authors and produces the Narrative; they just happen to be white people on the left supporting Obama, multiculturalism, globalism, open borders… but they are still WHITE PEOPLE so any challenge to their choice is null and void.

    why aren’t the masses of white people following your racial collectivism narrative?

    It appears your blind obedience to racial collectivism has hung you from your own high intelligence petard?

    “The masses are to follow as masses have always followed and will always follow…” Even if they are following Hillary Clinton, right?

    After all, ” the fact the mass of WHITE PEOPLE might not ponder the larger questions means little, right?

    Yours is another example of the incoherence of the White Nationalist narrative; no wonder so many white people reject it?

    What are they supposed to do?

    Accept the arbitrary rulings of a small cabal of high intelligence that authors and produces the Narrative?

    Well guess what?

    They already have, so whats the problem?

  92. I never meant for that comment of mine to be so scrutinized

    That was your first mistake.

    That comment was meant to be taken in terms of a aesthetic that possibly developed over the thousands of millenia that comprise evolutionary change

    Thousands upon thousands. Yes that is a long time. Hard to conceive of. Someone’s family tree might be known around five generations which is a century-and-a-half or so.

    But after that, think how long ago seems five hundred years. However that is only 20 generations, which is not that much. Fifty generations is back when around 750 of the Christian Era, which seems, in terms of history, forever ago – but when counting generations, 50 is not so many.

    But millions of years of a different scope. Thousands of thousand of years. In terms of an individual perspective it is inconceivable, but in terms of generations over which evolution applies, one million years is 50 thousand generations at 20 years per.

    How long can people keep themselves in mind, so to speak. In terms of science fiction, Frank Herbert in Dune liked to point out how the Atreides family traced its lineage back to Homer, which was a nice touch. I don’t recall whether he included that detail in the original series or if it was added later.

    But the jews get to trace themselves back to Ezekiel (or whoever), but white people are out of Africa or something. That’s the new deal that they got for us.

    Somehow the very topic is off-putting. What kind of loser needs to trace his lineage back to Arthur. That is like fucking gay.

    Jokes aside, it has to do with the brand: roundtable motion for a new brand.

    King Arthur Flour is already taken (baking supplies).

  93. But as far Trump and Cruz and Kasich.

    None of those guys, including Trump, is kingly like Arthur.

    Trump is a real man, though, whereas those other pols are by definition, not real men. That is not even hyperbole. By being pols, they are in service to the process, from the get-go, and anyone who is like that, has something very much missing. People who are constantly pleasing for the sole purpose of getting ahead in the process can only come about in this weird world.

    Can you imagine Cruz or Kasich or Rubio of Jeb “making love” to his wife. Seriously, try and picture it. There is no word to describe what it must be.

    Whereas Trump is a real person, and yes, a real man. I know what he looks like, making love to Melanie. It is EASY to picture his face. That same face he wears most of the time and then going oh!

    But Trump even he is not much in the mold of the kings of yore. Probably more than me, but i would not concede that; and certainly not more than some others. But what happens to those some others. What happens to them, in this life?

    Imagine if some great hero from the days of yore where time-travelled into this setting. What would happen to him. They made a movie out of that with Paulie Shore for the foil. The jews get all these ideas first. That is why they are jews. Seriously, they think about this stuff all the time. What makes ‘a people’ and how to mold them. That is the central principle of their evolution; that is their evolutionary imperative.

  94. That comment was meant to be taken in terms of a aesthetic that possibly developed over the thousands of millenia that comprise evolutionary change

    Thousands upon thousands. Yes that is a long time. Hard to conceive of. Someone’s family tree might be known around five generations which is a century-and-a-half or so.

    And wait, what “aesthetic” are we even talking about here? Yes, cultural objects and traits are transferrable and humans learn and borrow from those in ethnic outgroups. But, I really don’t see any “aesthetic” that endures from even late antiquity (Roman times) until today. We’re in a post-modern world that would seem like complete and utter madness to our forebears even 100 years ago. Liberalism, multiculturalism, inclusiveness and all of these other ideals are just decadent, ancillary madness produced by certain segments of the Western population once it reached a level of unprecedented political and economic success. These ideas can’t and don’t even exist on the other 90% of the planet even today.

    Whereas Trump is a real person, and yes, a real man. I know what he looks like, making love to Melanie. It is EASY to picture his face.

    LOL, I don’t know about all that but I think peak Marla Maples was far hotter.

    In terms of science fiction, Frank Herbert in Dune liked to point out how the Atreides family traced its lineage back to Homer, which was a nice touch.

    I think I’m the only person in creation that liked that original Dune movie. Now they keep putting out more remake series and movies so I guess I need to catch up on them.

  95. Here is an interesting fact that does not surprise me at all: WordPress back-end interface (where you compose new posts) underlines “Holodomor” as a typo, but not that other “Holo-” word. Same with the comments box.

  96. Thwack…

    There is no incoherency in what I state. You, on the other hand, are playing fast and loose with your “truths.”

    I have no racial collectivist theory…

    In fact, the First (natural) Law of white man is strive towards objective Supremacy. AT BEST, this is the EFFECT of the “ghosts of white Supremacy” where you may invoke a racial collectivist imposition. On the ground and in concrete form though, any individual white man desiring to strive towards objective Supremacy can readily assure himself that he is part of no current collective.

    The authors of the current Narrative are, more correctly, a cabal of high IQ “jewhite” LIBERATIONISTS… A cabal of Jewish and “white” liberal anti-white Supremacists.

    On the whole, the mass of “whites,” BECAUSE “they” are a mass (and not necessarily white, will not reorient themselves, COLLECTIVELY, from a faulty “wn” to a solid wS. That this truth is truth does not make what I write incoherent ESPECIALLY when I said such “white” mass will be no longer ONCE a critical mass of whites imbibe the proper view of wn (wn is AN ASSERTION, embraced or rejected DEFINING ally from enemy) and DECIDE AND CHOOSE to pursue the First (natural) Law of white man and convert to wS.

    Choices, man… The kind of “universalism” that this cat can dig!

  97. I agree that Trump is a real man insofar as he actually seem to desire to be a real man whereas the others give no overt suggestion that the desire has ever crossed their minds.

    But…

    Trump is still a radical “white” liberationist who has excited the passions of a fellow subset of alt-rite liberationists who ALTOGETHER still stand in opposition to wS. And so of course, as is the Narrative, Trump gets mediated into “white supremacy” to serve several aims, one of which is to tar and feather the most potent liberationist rival (aka alt-rite) AND HIDE THE FACT that ALL are FUNDAMENTALLY EQUAL in their anti-wS… Trump, alt-rite AND the mad establishment leftists… All anti-wS PUTTING ON A VIRTUAL SHOW to obscure this reality.

  98. Thwack…

    There is no racial ideology capable of denying *you* your desire to strive towards objective Supremacy. But collectively, the “black” mass JUST IS anti-(white) Supremacy. And if you were honest, to be a genuine black Supremacist would be a very dangerous and tumultuous affair. And frankly, such unspoken understanding is undoubtedly recessed at the back of your mind. And of course, in the same spirit, there is no “forced integration” between “us” IF you set to strive towards objective Supremacy. There are disparate origins and a mutual final destination. The empirical effect being a frictionless parallelism going forward. Such is the nature of a unity contra the heat and chaos of an egalitarian origin (out of Africa/primordial soup) and no final destination (after death/total annihilation).

  99. I want to recommend again, the Munk Debate that i linked upthread. It might actually represent some sort of turning point.

    The motion was immigration, and the cons were the declared victors, and that was in Canada. So right there that is something.

    But it actually came down to Steyn’s response to his opponent’s characterization, of his concern about the sex crimes in Europe being committed by the immigrants, as having to do with his (own) problems.

    His opponents attempted to paint his concern as prurient and inappropriate and the result of him being hard-up.

    Steyn addresses the whole to-do at his page in his latest column. It has become quite the incident, and it will go down in cultural history.

    But somehow how it played out is perfect. Steyn objects to the refugees for the threat and the crime that they commit against the women, and then his concern is cast as evidence of his defectiveness. But then he righteously defends himself and counterattacks and wins.

    It is all so “archetypical” somehow.

    No, i am not upset that three-year old girls are being raped because then they are not for me. That is actually the level at which the argument was contended. Three year olds and those implications and refutations.

    I see this drama played out in our own arguments. So why is it that “you” are so concerned about the problems in Europe, or what do you care that all these Somalis are around here and having a good time? Just live your life, man.

    Somehow that admonition to be above it, and not be affected, is right at the heart of our problems.

    Steyn himself is right there is his column write-up the debate, where he says that he is not a cartoon he is flesh-and-blood.

  100. It is interesting to see that melodrama, play out on the big stage.

    Obviously it is significant. Its meaning can not be overstated. I outlined some of the terms in my comment above, and Steyn does a better job at his website, and EVERYONE (ok, only everyone in Canada) is talking about it.

    No longer can concern for the safety of our womenfolk be written off as some sublimated perversion.

    Is that a good summary, or will you improve on it. Or am i wrong?

  101. It is both a melodrama and not a melodrama, which is the point.

    A melodrama is something that a person is making a bigger deal out of than necessary, because that person is retarded. Whereas drama is a necessary play.

    So it was a melodrama become a drama.

    Put aside the Ranger, and become who you were meant to be! Your sword, forged from the shards of Narsil!

    Jeez Elrond i don’t know are you sure that now is the right time?

  102. Can i do a butthurt story, from my own life, just for fun?

    There is a converted school nearby that they now call a community center. Sometime not too long ago, before i lost complete and total faith in my white American compatriots and their goodwill posterity and wellbeing, i stopped in to ask, if they might not have available a piano (for me to play). At the information desk was a 30-something “girl” and the smarmy satisfaction that she unconcealingly had in saying “No, there is not.”

    As if the whole last five or ten years of her life, she had been waiting for some nice man, to ask something of her and to say, one last time, no.

    Was i just imagining the smarmy delight in her tone, that inimitable but hard to describe squinty smarm that so unwell becomes a “woman, of a certain age?” No, i was not.

    So that is the story. The epilogue is predictable. There was a piano, literally not 25 feet away, in a small auditorium across the hall.

    America. I hate it.

  103. Someone might ask, well are you any good?

    Give me a break, it’s a community center!

    God forbid some “man” might want to come in from the cold and play the piano. God forbid. Call the police, something is up!

    Hey if you are senile and retarded and shitting your pants, please by all means have a seat, here is some soup, stay as long as you need.

    But that piano room? that is offlimits. You’re not better than anyone else, and don’t think for a minute otherwise. We would all be more comfortable if you left.

  104. Moose
    “So that is the story. The epilogue is predictable. There was a piano, literally not 25 feet away, in a small auditorium across the hall.”

    So did you sit down and start playing it?
    If not, why not?
    What’s she going to do, call the cops?

  105. Put aside the Ranger, and become who you were meant to be! Your sword, forged from the shards of Narsil!

    Elk, you know that’s just a movie quote, right? 🙂 Elrond never would’ve said that.

  106. Sailer has an excellent article on Takimag, The Scientist vs. the SPLC, occasioned by the death of realtalk scientist Henry Harpending.

    The selection below is a quote from the article, and i am asking if anyone will give an analysis to the contention it contains.

    Am i wrong or does third paragraph (of the quoted selection) not follow?

    Because … IF the ratio of the genetic distance of a person to his nephew, to his ethnic group (e.g. Italians), equals (the ratio of) genetic distance of that person to his ethnic over the distance to human race, THEN a nephew should NOT be more difficult to pick out from his ethnics, than it is to a co-ethnic from the human race. The difficulty in picking out those two categories, from those sets, should be equal.

    Also, Sailer confuses the comparison by bringing in the supercategory of race (White) instead of ethnic. By that error makes the mistake even more marked, if my logic is correct.

    I could post this at West Hunter, but i don’t post there and if i am wrong they would bitchslap me and if i am right it would be obnoxious.

    Also this link is an excellent read by the deceased, about hunting Cape Buffalo with people who know better.

    Henry long dismissed the concept of ethnic nepotism, until he finally sat down to do the math in the early 2000s. Then he discovered that the similarity within racial groups was comparable to the degree of relatedness between an uncle and his nephew…which is where the word “nepotism” comes from.

    In other words, on average, people are as closely related to other members of their subracial “ethnic” group (e.g., Japanese or Italian) versus the rest of the world as they are related to their nephew versus the rest of their ethnic group.

    When you stop and think about it, that sounds about right. As Henry pointed out, he’d have a hard time identifying a nephew he’d never met from a group of white children, while he’d have no problem identifying a white child in a group of nonwhite children.

  107. Thwack…
    There is no incoherency in what I state. (snip)
    I have no racial collectivist theory…
    In fact, the First (natural) Law of white man is strive towards objective Supremacy. (snip)
    On the ground and in concrete form though, any individual white man desiring to strive towards objective Supremacy can readily assure himself that he is part of no current collective.
    ——————————————————————————————————————
    thordaddy,

    Im not trying to pull a “gotcha” on you; Im not even trying to accuse you personally of producing the incoherence Im describing. I see the trick you are trying to smuggle in by claiming if each INDIVIDUAL white person practices white supremacy on their own, without discussing it with another white person…

    you will be able to produce white supremacy without a SYSTEM of white supremacy — I get it. The problem is it won’t work.

    Why?

    Exhibit A: as men, we all INDIVIDUALLY want to have sex with girls; but its NOT a conspiracy; I don’t hafta meet with you to make sure you are trying to get laid… we men do that on our own; but the key is: LOOK WHERE ITS GOTTEN US? females are all out of control because us men won’t adopt a collectivist sexual strategy for dealing with them; we did in the past but we don’t now. Look around at all the competing strategies: you got players, white knights, simps, A- holes, jerkboys… its a mess out there and you know it; yet you claim white supremacy is not subject to this same dynamic.
    Sorry bro, but it is. And its the main reason racism can only function as a form of COLLECTIVISM; the value of your status as a WHITE man is dependent upon it. Admit it, if you had the power you would force white people to practice racism, wouldn’t you?

    Wouldn’t you?

    Well guess what, I have probable cause to suspect white people hate being forced to do ANYTHING, even when its by another white person; so either way you just about shot yourself in the head no matter where you point your gun.
    Look thordaddy, I admit I don’t have the answer to achieve your goal because even when you engage in the act of attempting to persuade a white person to become a racist; they see that collectivist monster rearing its head behind you; its the reason they’d rather take their chances taming ni66ers.

    Think about it?
    Would the Southern states ever have joined the Union if they had known they could never leave it?

    Come on thordaddy, tell the truth and shame the devil; racism IS a form of collectivism; sorry, no way around it except to accept the individual choices individual white people make.
    (there is another potential strategy but Im gonna wait and see if someone else reveals it)

    *sigh*

    “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice?
    er, ah, ah… we won’t get fooled again!”

  108. If someone can the take the time to show the error in my analysis, that will be appreciated. Otherwise something about those ratios of genetic distance does not comport with common sense.

    Third possibility, and the most likely, is that i am going senile.

  109. It’s interesting for us commenters familiar with each other to sit back and observe a fresh initiate (Thwack) go through his Thordaddy internship.

  110. Thwack…

    Racism proper is simple immersion into things racial. More particularly, anti-racism JUST IS hatred for the “father”. “Racism” as you are conceiving “it” can only manifest in relation to the “other.” In other words, you CANNOT CONCEIVE racism in its absolute sense… Practically, a son’s personal immersion into his father all the way through to his God-father. Anti-racism is the IDEOLOGICAL attempt to sever this personal journey AT THE COLLECTIVIST level. White Supremacy recognizes the ingredients of a solid identity are certain origin and a mutual final destination. Broadly, those who share our certain origin and mutual final destination, “we” can identify with as “us.” So this JUST IS white Supremacy… “Racism” in passive liberal-speak… A certain origin (white) and a mutually agreed upon final destination (objective Supremacy) as solution to a collective identity. Can this be systemic? No, as individual God-ordained free will must operate above all man-made systems. It’s all about personal choice. And there are no personal solutions to a collective decent. BUT FIRST, “we” must put the individual white male in a healthy frame of mind. This starts with objective Supremacy as “hard reality.” Deny this and all your protestations amount to nothing.

  111. Intellectually, the enemy wins most fashionably when a white Christian deconverts publicly. And because this is a literal mind game over the propagation of the Logos then wherever a white male rejects white Supremacy, he rejects white Christianity. The genuine white Supremacist JUST IS a white Christian and so the real “trick” is perpetrated through a liberated language. A white Christian WORSHIPS objective Supremacy, ie., empirical Perfection. Ergo, a white Christian is a white Supremacist. And the last 50 years have given “us” a steady and unmistakable trend… To the degree white males publicly reject white Supremacy, white Christianity EQUALLY DECLINES. So at the high IQ “jewhite” atheistic level, rejecting wS is publicly deconverting from Christianity, period. I tend to agree, absolutely. A mass deconversion has transpired over the last 50 years, but “we” have Liberalism to keep “us” relentlessly stimulated.

  112. Elk:
    “If someone can the take the time to show the error in my analysis, that will be appreciated. Otherwise something about those ratios of genetic distance does not comport with common sense.”
    I don’t get the claim and didn’t read it.
    I think that if “Random Swede A’s” sister crapped out a had a biracial child, he would have a higher proportion of alleles different from his “nephew” than from “Random Swede B”.

  113. “I think I’m the only person in creation that liked that original Dune movie”

    I look at that as an unfortunate missed opportunity; the book was interesting and is the kind of socio-political-driven sci-fi, which is fairly common but pretty much the only kind of sci-fi that i’m compelled to get into.

    And if you consider it now, in hindsight, with a big-ass body of work included in your perceptual context, it would seem a natural winner to have David Lynch direct such a movie. Wow…

    But in truth, he failed the challenge; I think that failure specifically is he didn’t know how to deal with the jump in scale that project presented to him: prior to ‘Dune,’ i think his only film that had any real budget was ‘Eraserhead’ and “Elephant Man,” and the former was barely above student-film-level cost and production. In any case, he couldn’t control the elements —- it was a poverty of abundance —— and lost control of his vision and any sense of creative signature and vision. You see that movie, knowing something of Lynch’s ouevre up to that point and it’s clear that he didn’t know what to do with all that added budget he was suddenly granted and IT began to corrupt HIM.

    Furthermore, I recall even admitting as much in subsequent interviews. I think Lynch is particularly interesting in that he was the precursor and first full example of a trend that is now prevalent: the cable series and or extended-storyline TV drama that ‘s more creatively and commercially fruitful than big-screen movie-making; e.g., his “Twin Peaks” was far, FAR more creative and fulfilling a venture than his movies, though he definitely hit some highly innovative ground and high points in Blue Velvet, Mulholland Drive and Lost Highway (though many ripped into the latter upon its release).

  114. I don’t get the claim and didn’t read it.
    I think that if “Random Swede A’s” sister crapped out a had a biracial child, he would have a higher proportion of alleles different from his “nephew” than from “Random Swede B”.

    My claim was nitpicking.

    It is an exercise in logic though, and the challenge remains. Have a look at the three quoted paragraphs and see if the conclusion in the third follows from the first two. I say it does not, but it is fairly complex and i may be mistaken. But if i am not, it is satisfying to catch the Big Guys in error.

    My summary of the question doesn’t do much to clarify it, but just go to the quoted paragraphs, if interested. The article is Sailer at his best, which makes that logical error at the end stick out.

    As far as Random Swedes, that is another situation; but it is a well known example with profound implications. The white mother of a biracial black-and-white child, will have more genetics in common with a random co-ethnic than she will with her own biracial child. (What would the converse of that be? A biracial child will have less in common with his mother than he will with another similarly biracial child.)

    Real Men of Science tell us that the genetic distances between people and groups are calculated, and the above statement that the mother of a biracial black-and-white has more an common with a co-ethnic than with her own child, is well known.

    Those tables of genetic distance between population groups aka ethnies and races are readily available on the net.

  115. I am somewhat reluctant to make that statement above, that claim on science, due to its sensitive nature.

    But it is one of those facts that makes you go hmm. It sums up a lot.

  116. “Real Men of Science tell us that the genetic distances between people and groups are calculated, and the above statement that the mother of a biracial black-and-white has more an common with a co-ethnic than with her own child, is well known.”

    Isn’t the operative or dependent variable there the ethnicity of the child’s father? And wouldn’t what you state be true even if it was a white father but a non-Swede?

    I’m asking here more than challenging anything; this topic is not a strong suit and that’s putting it mildly.

  117. Yes the child’s father would be an operative variable, and at some proximity to a white genotype, the statement would be false.

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