Marriage Advice to a Millennial

A commenter at 28 Sherman writes:

I’m in my late 20s and know the millennial dating scene well. In my experience, most of my friends who got married wound up marrying their girlfriends from college. If you were not able to do that, I’ve rarely seen any of my other friends and myself get married.

However millennial marriages mean almost nothing and a lot of my friends who got married wound up divorcing after about five years. The Tinder lifestyle is too strong of a pull in all of these marriages. These were the couples that everyone assumed would make it but after a couple of years, the wives wound up wondering “what if” and either started cheating or filed for divorce. I don’t know the statistics of infidelity but I would not be surprised if women are more likely to cheat in a marriage then men are, especially if they are under 40. Their wedding vows mean little or nothing to them.

The thing with modern dating is that due to the narcissism with this generation, a lot of women (and some men, to be fair) are always wondering if they could do better. This is a generation where most girls honestly believe they can be reality TV stars. If you’re a regular guy, you’re only as good until she can find someone better and when she does, it’s over for you. I’m in management and work out so I do fine but I have friends in their 30s and 40s who are in senior management/VP roles and they get their pick of the litter. Every one of my divorced friends who are over 40 has a regular rotation of twentysomething girls; any girl over 25 to them is no good.

I am a GenX’er but married to an early-Millennial generation woman. I know nothing about the current dating scene, so I am relying on others’ testimonials, such as the commenter above. This is not a comprehensive Game post; that you can find in Chateau Heartiste archives, starting with the 16 Commandments of Poon. Rather, this post is a very specific piece of advice for a young man who found a girl who can make a decent wife and mother and he wants to beat the centrifugal forces that the above commenter described.

Here is my advice: believeyour belief has to be realand go hard. Every girl is born to be led and if not you, she will follow Tinder. You make it clear that:

1. You two are a counterculture with specific beliefs. When your country is great again, you two are part of the ruling class.

2. Iron rules will not be broken you her, or by you. Hint: what those rules are, is entirely up to you; if it’s “no smartphones with Tinder,” it’s no smartphones with Tinder.

***

Let me give you two examples of what I am talking about, one fictional and one real-life.

The first example comes from Arthur Koestler’s little-known novel “The Age of Longing” (1950), in which the female protagonist, a young American expat in post-war France, reflects on three men: a virile lothario she had a fling with in her early youth, her upper class ex-husband, and her current lover, who happens to be a short and physically unattractive Soviet spy who fervently believes in Communism. She recalls the lothario making valiant efforts at satisfying her and failing, her ex-husband “making love like a bird,” as she put it, and her Soviet lover delivering what she had longed for. Through her character, Koestler meditated on the subject of faith and how men who lack it lack a vitality that captivates a woman, while a man who has conviction will be her whole world in spite of any defects he may have.

The second example is a couple I know. He is normal man otherwise, though introverted and somewhat shybut with a childhood accident-borne disfigurement. His wife is average-looking but she does have a pleasant face and the kind of social butterfly personality that is great for inter-family networking. Superficially, I had thought that he had scored out of his league, until I witnessed a large dinner party scene. He is a devout Roman Catholic, this needs to be mentioned. Somebody cracked a Jesus joke and he looked at the jokester, unmindful of the bonhomie that ruled the mood, and told him that he needs to shut his mouth and not blaspheme in front of children. His eyes looked like he is ready to kill. The jokester stammered an apology. Then, I understood.

***

From my experience, I will confirm that the rules to which you hold your family do work. As one small example in my house, we don’t eat after 5:00 PM for Lent (that applies to just us adults) and even if we forget to eat something as the deadline passes, there are no exceptions when hunger hits at 6:30.

A woman follows a man with adamantine principles. Girls on Tinder crave that too.

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112 thoughts on “Marriage Advice to a Millennial

  1. I understand what you’re saying. In theory this should work. But IRL these guys often come across as insecure gammas.

    ((((short and physically unattractive Soviet spy))))

    How convenient, for Koestler, to make this character the stud.

  2. LBF, Koestler is a fascinating as well as a repellent figure. A Hungarian Jew and a Communist until he broke with Stalin (but — it figures — he always spoke well of Bela Kun’s brief horror show in Hungary, which he remembers from childhood). He was apparently very charismatic with women, in my opinion because he was likely a sociopath and certainly extremely intelligent. Koestler is best known for his 1944 novel “Darkness at Noon,” which every right winger should read.

    His two-part autobiography “Arrow in the Blue” and “Invisible Writing” take you through key events in Europe’s history, including Weimar (((journalism))), Holodomor, the Spanish civil war, where he was imprisoned and sentenced to death, and London blitz.

    He may have fabricated certain less-verifiable (at the time) things in his autobiography. John Derbyshire once pointed out that a Russian village in which he described some experience likely never existed.

    The Soviet spy character in “Age of Longing” was an Azerbaijani, which was a USSR republic at the time.

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  4. There is some truth to this although I’m still digesting the idea. In college my faith and knowledge of it was just about the only strong thing about me, and it got me some positive attention that I managed to ruin through ignorance or timidity later; but I did earn points. It was the willingness to engage in confrontation with complete confidence that stood out.

    It is a demonstration of strength only if it’s not a pose. The ” insecure gammas” are loud because they are trying to convince themselves as well as others. Real conviction though is hard to fake. This is just speculation.

  5. So marriage at this stage of descent is now more than ever what it always was… A man/woman union in Christ… To the degree any man/woman union deviates from this most basic fact, it tends towards self-annihilation.

  6. “When your country is great again, you two are part of the ruling class.”
    Sorry, I cannot see that line working in real life.

  7. PA,

    When a girl infringes my punishment toward her is usually a silent withdrawal of attention. When I engage her agiain I address the problem and either define a new boundary or reinforce a previously defined boundary in order to correct her behavior.

    I’ve never been married before so I’m curious as to how you deal punishment in that type of relationship. For example, if your wife ate past the time she wasn’t supposed to, how would you correct that behavior?

  8. how would you correct that behavior?

    It’s not within the realm of possible so it wouldn’t happen. She has a mind and personality of her own and she follows my lead in value matters with full understanding and acceptance.

    Thing is, you don’t trick or coerce your woman into these things. She should want to “make her home” in the world you build and feel invested in its integrity. That kind of submission is what a woman seeks because it gives her psychological security. If you are principled and alpha in your relationship, getting her there will be surprisingly easy.

    On women doing something you don’t like, that’s a huge subject. Public disrespect or so much as appearance of infidelity are deal breakers. Again, that shouldn’t be in the realm of possibility either. Then there things that may indicate an underlying problem that needs to be talked out. Sometimes if she is just being bitchy or hormonal in private, you laugh it off, call her out on it, or leave her be.

  9. 28 Sherman is cool. But I can’t find the post or comment referenced.

    It gives me hope to hear of younger people actually being able to make “marriage” 2.0 work like a real marriage.

    The PUA guru’s who marry say that maintaining a harem of attractive young women is much easier in the current year than keeping a “wife” 2.0 under control. I can grow to be a better man, but I don’t have faith I could pull that off. If I had started on Game a long time ago, maybe.

    On the other hand, I can’t talk myself out of my MGTOW ideology that says you don’t fix a corrupted institution by contributing to it. I believe I deserve a real marriage, and I think settling for the tyranny that society offers me in it’s place is in a way collaborating.

  10. Rollo’s and Roosh’s advice on marriage, is, unless you have leveled up high enough to have a pretty robust notch count and perpetually maintain a solid rotation, don’t. “Marriage” 2.0 is the double-diamond slope.

    Referenced Commenter:
    “Every one of my divorced friends who are over 40 has a regular rotation of twentysomething girls; any girl over 25 to them is no good.”
    Sheeit. Maybe I really am giving up prematurely. Maybe I could raise my own kids…
    Or maybe not. Yeah, the pussy is there. If I want it. The decent wives and mothers?
    I still think they’re on the other side of bloody revolution, unless you’re far more Alpha than I can be. I keep wanting someone here to tell me it isn’t true.

  11. — Rollo’s and Roosh’s advice on marriage, is, unless you have leveled up high enough to have a pretty robust notch count and perpetually maintain a solid rotation, don’t.

    Where PUA writers segue their writing toward LTR/marriage themes, there is this transition phase in their thinking where it seems to me they are trying to square the circle of libertinism with traditionalism. And that’s fine, as they are also trying to figure these things out as they move into new territory. They are right in some ways but off in others. I read Roosh and Rollo very sporadically so I don’t want to to generalize or assume things about their LTR Game philosophy.

    But something that’s obvious to me with lots of “I am a poon slaying alpha with spinning plates on rotation” type of commenters is that they don’t have any actual experience with women. The reason that this is obvious is that they deny women their own agency and simply apply a formula for controlling them as though they were an engineering equation rather than sentient people.

    In reality, Game works on women the same way that management techniques also work on employees but there are limits of how much you can control another person or how much you can get away with in terms of pushing at their natural boundaries. The “solid rotation” thing more often than not invokes for me an image of somebody who projects Trump-level apex alphahood (and the neurowiring that comes with it) on regular men — either that, or he projects a down-market reality on the LTR itself being with a low value woman who doesn’t care if you screw around with other low value women.

    — Sheeit. Maybe I really am giving up prematurely. Maybe I could raise my own kids…
    Or maybe not. Yeah, the pussy is there. If I want it.

    It comes down to you asking yourself “what do I want?” and then defining exactly what it is that you want, formulating a plan on how to get it, and devoting inordinate amount of energy toward getting it. If your goal is to talk about the modern sociosexual scene for the sake of your own working-through of your demons, that’s perfectly legitimate. If your goal is to have a girlfriend, wife or a child, then that is yet another goal, and that too requires clarity of purpose, a workable plan, and commitment to achieving it.

    — The decent wives and mothers? // I still think they’re on the other side of bloody revolution

    Vox Day had a reader say something similar, asking him how to get a decent woman when all of them seem to be liberal and pozzed out. Vox made a good point in response: women conform to their peer groups, so in order to find good wife material, look not for a girl that is traditional in an absolute sense (who is rare), but in the relative sense. In other words, go for the most traditional/conservative girl relative to her peer group.

  12. PA:
    “It comes down to you asking yourself “what do I want?” and then defining exactly what it is that you want, formulating a plan on how to get it, and devoting inordinate amount of energy toward getting it.”
    The first part of this sentence is where I’ve been stuck for years and I’m not getting anywhere. I wouldn’t be cluttering your comment threads with my personal demons if I hadn’t tried extensively to figure this out on my own and failed repeatedly.

    Saying I want a harem of 20 supermodels doesn’t get me anywhere. I have to believe a goal is feasible before I can be motivated to work for it. Not just possible, feasible. That may sound lazy but I have to be real that I only have so much time and energy to spend. What I had wanted was what our grandfathers took for granted, which doesn’t seem feasible in the current environment at my level of Game. While I am well read in theory I’m at 0EXP in practice. And it’s too late to reach level 99 while I’m still young enough to start a family, because I’m not really motivated to fuck sluts.

    A small fraction of relevant questions are:
    Which of my needs are feasible to expect a woman of my own race to meet? Which needs will I have to sacrifice to get others met? To what extent is it feasible that I can grow to be a better man, and what are the ratios of effort to reward for each increment? To what extent can I change not just vertically, but laterally? To become more r-selected or psychopathic? Which will benefit me more per unit of energy?

    I’m really not Alpha. I just backslid at work and made a whole bunch of beta/gamma interactions secondary to stress coming from shit rolling downhill. I can only play the part when things are going well and even then it’s a stretch. Do I want to commit to having to maintain a phony pretense of who I am for my whole life and watch it all crumble when I slip? Do I want to set a sure goal, or a risky one? I can’t decide if I can’t guess the risk and the likelihood of success.

    Of course no one is expected to respond to this I’m just rambling.

  13. PA, I appreciate your benevolent appraisal of women. It gives me a better perspective in that I don’t normally grant them agency when I probably should. Over the past year specifically I’ve become increasingly cynical with respect to women. Being red pilled and immersed in the American dating market has had that affect on me. I started reading Heartiste in 2011, and the quality of my relationships with women increased, but this past year has been a bender. I’ve been quite cruel to some whorish girls. There are so many sluts. As far as thee eye can see. Pussy has never been cheaper and yet I’m not satisfied. I’m coming to the realization that I’m going to have to go to Eastern Europe to find a girl to have my kids.

  14. I wanted to give everyone a break from my bitchin’ after last thread but then you had to go and do a post about marriage. I need to make a point about how NS and MGTOW are not contradictory under the present system, and I’m not a hypocrite.

    I also told Elk some time ago I would give him what I thought was a better model for White Genocide than his. This is long though.

    Example A:
    Say a short principal with a height complex declares that shorter kids are vulnerable to bullying by taller kids, and declares that at his school, the tallest kid in class has an X marked on his head and will be whipped for calling names, pushing, or being mean to the other kids. What will happen is the shorter kids will all start bullying the tall kid who will be caned for sticking up for himself. In this case, the system overcorrected for a perceived advantage attributed to a scrawny, shy, tall weird kid with glasses, and artificially imposed tyrannical conditions on him that makes it impossible for him to have normal interactions with other kids and engage in healthy social development. Now after class one day, Beanpole asks his teacher how he can get along with all the other kids who hate him so much.

    If she is a Liberal, she will whip out a chart showing the height of top CEO’s to prove that height gives an advantage in life (which it does, a little), and tell the gangly nerd that he doesn’t understand the advantage his last growth spurt gives him over other kids. She will then chastise him for believing his height should continue to give him privilege over other kids, and shame him that he needs to stop complaining that shorter kids don’t have to be intimidated by him anymore.

    If she is a Conservative, she will explain to him that he needs to stop associating with mean kids and hang out with nice kids instead. “Pick better friends”, she will say. “Then you won’t bring this problem on yourself.”

    If she is a Fascist, she will tell him he needs to pound a railspike through a wooden bat and wait quietly behind the principal’s car one night. But that is beside the point.

    Anyway,
    Example B:
    In Communistan, the government has imposed a worker’s rights law to protect the proles from being exploited from the nasty business owners. In the past, there was a fear surrounding companies downsizing to reduce costs and laying the workers to leave them destitute. But when a law was made that entitled laid-off workers to be paid some of their previous wages until retirement, workers rights advocates complained that it wasn’t enough because workers could be forced out of the job through microaggressions and harassment. So even if a worker quit, she was entitled to continue collecting 60% of her previous wage for 18 years because it was the lifestyle she was “used to”. Clever workers rapidly figured out that switching from job to job was now a novel new way to get rich which was much more profitable than starting a business.
    Now; you support your family with a small business, say a corner store. But in order to meet the needs of your community and stay viable, you need to be open at night and you cannot work 14 hours a day. You need to hire someone but don’t want to get stuck paying someone’s entitlement out of your family’s money.

    Meanwhile, you look around your community and see massive unemployment and poverty, and hopelessness among your people. Among the young people mostly and some of the unlucky old, who don’t have the unbelievable entitlements that the privileged class of Boomers and government union workers have as they drag the country down the toilet.

    If ask a Liberal or Conservative for advice, they will tell you over the pile of 1752 resumes on your desk to hire a temporary undocumented worker from Turdistan because they will “do the jobs that Communistanians won’t do”.

    If you ask a Libertarian, he will tell you it’s time for your family to sell and move out to Turdistan, where hordes of starving brown people slave away in inhumane conditions for peanuts and live in squalor under a small number of ultra-wealthy moguls because they have an unregulated free market there so it’s better.

    If you are a Fascist, you marry a worker to your daughter and start running your family like a Mafia. But that also is beside the point.

    2B cuntin’ youed

  15. Ramble on marriage 2.0

    Marriage has long been an economic exchange of power that has served as a keystone for survival and propagation under every civilization that has ever existed. If one sought to replace it, one would have to try and explain all the necessary functions Marriage performs and plan to fulfill them in some other way.

    Basically, Marriage was an exchange of surplus reproduction for surplus productivity. The best explanation I have ever seen of this is from Karen Straughan when she was still called “Girl Writes What”. Basically, man received what was in practical purposes “ownership” of the female reproductive tract he so desperately craved in order to ensure he was not weeded out of the gene pool, and she received what was generally treated as “ownership” of the man’s productivity so that she could be protected and provided for while she was caring for her young and nursing, in order to ensure her and her children’s welfare. The woman was obligated to provide sex barring unreasonable circumstances such as right after childbirth, and to be faithful. In exchange, the man was obligated to bring home the bacon come hell or high water.

    Now women were more vulnerable to abandonment. To knock up a young woman and skip town, leaving her with a scrogling to try to find a husband with, severely hurt her chances for a decent life. Even in Europe, during the industrial revolution, unwed mothers actually starved to death and died. They could find a husband but it was harder if she followed her hypergamy too far. Furthermore there actually were occasional “deadbeat” scum who drank and whored away their copper while their children went hungry.

    On the other hand, men were vulnerable in this exchange to cuckolding, which genetic studies show us probably eliminated around 30% of men from the genepool, given that only 40% of men ever successfully reproduced, and 80% of women did. There was a couple of forgotten, rare blood/gene studies done in the 30’s pre-birth control in which it was inadvertently discovered by accident that the number of kids in Western society who were not the real biological kids of their fathers were about 30%. Since birth control enabled females to cover their biological tracks in the 60’s that fraction dropped to about 10%.

    However, most men didn’t know this, and women like to think that what a man doesn’t know can’t hurt him. They don’t like the fact being swindled into laboring for another man’s child is morally equivalent to being fucked and impregnated by a strange man while unconscious, which can’t traumatize her because she doesn’t know. (Actually it’s far, far worse because that child is still hers.)

    So the institution was imperfect for both parties, and ideally a society would cover both ends to reduce failure of Marriage’s function in order to ensure it’s viability.
    However, it was only female’s concerns that were given legitimacy, and the solutions given were not made in cogniscience of the consequences. We will skip over the tyranny of the current system which directly cuckolds working men en masse by taking massive swaths of our income at gunpoint to give to single mothers to breed tens of millions of criminal spawn on Welfarms. Only that this incentivizes women to reproduce like lower-level primates far more than they had anticipated back in the 60’s when this monster was created. And, that it prevents tens of millions of decent, hardworking men from being able to marry and become responsible fathers by deincentivizing women from reproducing like civilized humans. And that this is actually the main cause of Negro criminality in the US, HBD or not.

  16. Example C
    What is relevant here is that the marriage 2.0 “contract” is now like the employment contract in Communistan, but worse. The female has ALL rights and NO responsibilities, while the male has NO rights and ALL responsibilities. He has to pay, whether she puts out or not. She can kick him out of his own house and he still has to pay. She can fuck other men in front of him and he still has to pay. She has NO legitimate obligations of ANY kind at all whatsoever period, but is still entitled to his money and his children.

    Obviously, this isn’t just an issue of risk of being screwed over, it ruins the few “marriage” 2.0’s that do stay together by completely fucking up the natural power dynamics and literally enslaves the male to the female with the hand of the state. Women are sexually attracted to and marry powerful, successful, confident men; then the power of the state handcuffs, neuters and humiliates the men who get married before their wives, and suddenly their wives want to fuck that exciting bad boy over there. Gee, how the fuck is it so hard to stay married now, duh?

    Let me say here that the 50% marital success rate has to be a hoax. I’m certain it is being artificially inflated by disproportionately sampling old fogies and isolated communities of brown people from the Asian continent. I am sure that they are sampling 98-year-old widows whose husband died 20 years ago and saying that’s a successful marriage because she never got divorced even though one party is dead.

    There is no fucking way that this insanity has a 50% chance of succeeding with the modern version of what is supposed to pass for White “women”, it’s totally fucking absurd. Are you kidding me?

    Now let’s say you’ve always dreamed of a loving wife and your own children, and at some point you become a WN and believe that our people must increase our birthrate in order to survive, because our beautiful race is dying. So instead of partying and chasing pussy (which is what you now realize you should have done), you focused on yourself to rise up out of homelessness and poverty (you had it damn rough growing up for a White boy) to make something of yourself so you could support a stable nuclear family, which you never had yourself growing up but always wanted to build. And now you find out this shit.

    So.

    1) If you ask a PUA for advice, they will tell you that you need to start banging sloots on the regular to level up your game. Then after 5 years of constantly focusing on Game and pussy as the main thing in your life, and have invested all possible time and money available to you into it for about half decade, you will be at level 90+ having threesomes with underwear models from the Moon. At that point you will get bored of stacking gorgeous women on top of each other and making asswiches out of them and want to move on to something even more challenging. Then, you can look at the final level 999 task of managing to keep a decent woman interested in you for YEARS without EVER fucking up and losing frame even ONCE. So that you can reproduce and raise your children in a healthy environment. But you don’t even ATTEMPT this trick unless you are a fucking MASTER. Any effort to sate your loneliness by trying to lock a nice girl down so you can relax and be yourself because slaying poon is hard will NEVER succeed. The psychology of females is fundamentally geared to seek and destroy ANY weakness at ALL times. Or after only 3 years at level 50+ you could expat to Turdistan and marry a brown girl and live in a hut in her village.

    2) If you ask a Liberal for advice, they will tell you you are not entitled to anything but to work and pay taxes to be given to women, and how dare you imply you deserve anything good out of life, they owe you nothing so shut up and get back to work until you die. If you are obedient and suckhole to women and feminists enough, a woman might give you a pity fuck so you can have the white-cis-male privilege of forfeiting all your personal space to pay her rent and get cuckolded. They will tell you that White males don’t need to have children because of all the billions of immigrants from around the world that deserve the opportunities your country has to offer.

    3) If you ask a MRA for advice, they will tell you that if we whine and act like victims, and play along with the P.C. rules, we can get on the progressive gravy train too and then it won’t be so bad.

    4) If you ask a MGTOW for advice, they will tell you that if enough of us withdraw from “marriage 2.0” and starve the system it will implode and we can replace it with something better.

    5) If you ask a Conservative for advice, he will tell you to “look not for a girl that is traditional in an absolute sense (who is rare), but in the relative sense. In other words, go for the most traditional/conservative girl relative to her peer group.”

    Now, it seems to me, that in ascending order of value, this advice is as follows.

    Worst: 2) Liberal. Why would you ask your enemies for advice?

    Tied: 3) MRA and 5) Conservative. Both could work in theory I guess if I can hit Satan with a snowball, but both fail to address current reality.

    Overstated: 1) PUA. But even if it’s a little exaggerated I think it’s still too much for me to take on. I’m not an arrogant Alpha asshole. I’m not even really interested in meaningless twat. I’m a caring, gentle man. I don’t think I can do something so hard because I really don’t want to. I don’t even want to be that person. How am I supposed to pull that off?

    Least of all Evils I guess: 4) MGTOW. I don’t want to die alone. I don’t….

    There’s got to be another answer.
    I know there’s got to be another…
    What is it?

  17. PA I do appreciate your feedback and I’m not dissing you or Vox, who is also a wise man. I’m just saying…

  18. Johny got Rosy
    and Bobby got Sue
    but Millie was assfucked by a nigger
    and now? she’s ready for you

    Fuckin hell (x4)

    ************************

    Obviously, this isn’t just an issue of risk of being screwed over, it ruins the few “marriage” 2.0’s that do stay together by completely fucking up the natural power dynamics and literally enslaves the male to the female with the hand of the state. Women are sexually attracted to and marry powerful, successful, confident men; then the power of the state handcuffs, neuters and humiliates the men who get married before their wives, and suddenly their wives want to fuck that exciting bad boy over there. Gee, how the fuck is it so hard to stay married now, duh?

    That is the heart of the matter.

    What we can do is to form a lobbying committee. I will draft up some professional looking letterhead and get the address of correspondence for Senator Amy Klobuchar.

  19. SuburbanElk:
    “What we can do is to form a lobbying committee. I will draft up some professional looking letterhead and get the address of correspondence for Senator Amy Klobuchar.”

    I assume you’re joking.

    She looks like a djoo, but her stated policies don’t look all that bad really, as far as mainstream ZOG politicians go. Are you from Minnesota? I don’t get it. Was there some kind of scandal where this senator was bonking a Congoid or something?

    http://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/public/ethics-and-government-reform

  20. “Was there some kind of scandal where this senator was bonking a Congoid or something?”

    Heaven forbid she’d do that. I mean, why do that when there’s a plethora of whiney, self-absorbed and self-hating alabaster-hued men around and waiting in the wings?

    No Congoids need apply, dude!

  21. I mean, why do that when there’s a plethora of whiney, self-absorbed and self-hating alabaster-hued men around and waiting in the wings?

    Is it not whining, to complain about the environment and that one hangs around in?

  22. It is (whining), of course, to complain about one’s environment and the people there.

    But according to nikcrit, when white people complain about things, it is whining, but when he complains about those people, with whom he willingly associates, he is to get a pass for it because of his poor put-upon black ass.

    Sorry Charlie no dice. nikcrit is complaining; shut the fuck up with your complaints nik, no one wants to hear em. Unless they can be delivered with some wit or wisdom, in which case maybe. The above example of your whine contains neither.

  23. Logic 101: “Whining” and “White People” are not mutually exclusive categories.

    And considering the fact that white commenters initially raised the ‘whining’ and other self-defeating qualities of the commenter in question, therefore race is not consequential in this instance, but then such logical fallacy would go over the head of a self-absorbed and self-pitying whiner of any race.

  24. Quit complaining about the company you keep, and then you can complain about whining.

    That is how logic works you dolt.

    It is irrelevant whoever brought up the issue first. The issue of complaining and whining exists independent of who brought it up.

    That is basic logic 101, nikcrit. The issue under evaluation is who is complaining, and who is whining. It matters not who raised it. If whining is a negative, then don’t engage in it.

    nikcrit says whining is a negative, but he complains about the company he keeps. And then further, LIKE A GIRL – he says that he gets to do it, because someone else brought it up first, and THEN he says that that is a logical argument. He did it first, nanny nanny boo boo!

    If you want to argue logic, nikcrit, you reveal your severe limitations.

    Admit that your appeal to logic, is idiotic; or reinforce your idiocy. Those are your choices.

  25. nikcrit you have a chance with appeals, to emotion … if you can find a sympathetic audience.

    If you want to appeal to logic, you will have to evolve some more brain cells. And get back to us in about a thousand generations.

    Sorry Charlie. That you would even “think” to couch your argument, which boils down to he did it first! in the cloth of logic, is a joke. It would seem you are not smart enough to engage in logic.

    But hey if you feel like you need to try and use logic to sit at the big boy table, go ahead and try, if you think you must.

    Remember that nikcrit is the same character who described Thordaddy’s arguments as rhetoric. So he does not know what rhetoric means either. He likes to use these big words and concepts, to impress people, and he might get away with that in the public sector in Milwaukee, but to try it here is insulting to any reader who knows better.

    The two examples above, where 1) he says his argument is based in logic, when what it is, is a grade-school level appeal to emotions; and 2) describing Thordaddy’s style as rhetoric, indicate the quality of his thinking.

  26. elk, you’re illogic is scatterbrained; my citing others mentioning the ‘whining’ was to point out that its mention came from multiracial sources, while you —- as is your won’t —– attributed is to some sort of ‘black entitlement’ thinking of mine, which is ridiculous.

    Your retort is comically irrelevant and hysterical. You’re running scared and your last two ‘replies’ proves once again, you become totally incapacitated by any criticism. You’re out of your league discussing contentious issues with adults.

    So what’s next? Are you going to break into your daddy’s liquor cabinet and tell us how big your dick is despite it being mutilated during circumcision? One thing that does puzzle me is why in God’s name the blog host here indulges your ego and irrelevant nonsense. Failure is your muse, conscious or not.

    I prefer the prose of writers who’ve actually done something in the practical and subjective world —- even if lowly journalists —– over deluded and dysfunctional prima donnas trapped in their parents’ basement. I’d take Thordaddy’s dialetics over your myopic rhetoric any day —- which, by the way, I pointed out was initially mistitled by me. So thank you for clearing up a misstatement of mine re. Thordaddy, even though I already did as much in the very comment you vituperatively cite right now.

    So fuck you for your bad faith and petty small-mindedness, bitch.

  27. I wrote this following comment before reading nikcrit’s post at 5:42 pm.
    ___________

    If someone, say for example by the name of nikcrit, does not like the company here, he can stay or go. And if he chooses to stay, he can either complain and whine about the company he chooses to keep, or he can not complain.

    Per this thread, he has chosen to stay in this company, and then complain about it.

    That is a human choice, and would not merit much in the way of whatever, except for that he then goes on to criticize this very company for – and here is the kicker – for complaining about the company that they find themselves in (in real life).

    And then rather than realizing the IRONY of it, that he is engaging in the EXACT SAME THING that he is criticizing others for doing – rather than having a laugh at a human foible, he maintains that his snarky criticism (of them) is supported by “logic” – because others did it first!

    ***********

    The behavior in question, is essentially complaining about other people. If complaining about other people is ok, then that is one thing. But if it is not ok, then don’t do it. And if you do choose do it, then don’t be such a dolt as not to recognize that you are doing the exact same thing that you are criticizing others for.

    If nikcrit wants to demonstrate that he can use logic, he might take the issues in this argument and apply some “logic” to them.

    What is logical about allowing for oneself one set of behavior, but condemning that same behavior in others. That is not a “logical” issue at all, it is an ethical one: specifically a demonstration of hypocricy. nikcrit thought that his hypocritical behavior could be justified with logic, but he made has made no case for it; rather, he has just thrown around a concept that he does not understand.

  28. nikcrit, your comment at 5:42 contains nothing beyond personal vitriol.

    You do not understand logic, nor the basic distinction between dialectic and rhetoric, and yet your throw these terms around like a fool.

    If the quality of your writing here is any indication, your career as a journalist is a stain on the profession.

    You remark that you are a noted critic, as if we ought to respect that, but most people these days are very suspicious of all the media institutions.

    You want to cite real world accomplishment as credit for arguments that you are unable to, with the very tools of your presumed trade!

    You could not be more of a joke, if you tried.

  29. nikcrit, the logic that i called you on, is simple. I have made my case two or three times now. That you call it scatterbrained, indicates your own limited capacity.

    I think that my criticism of your nonsense is fairly clear, and actually a good example of concise dialectic argument, and further, i have the confidence to say so, and submit my opinion to the evaluation of the audience.

    Your appeal to Thordaddy’s style is yet another indication of your limited intellect. And you DID call his stuff rhetoric, and it was i who corrected you on that. You could not have been more wrong there – and yet here on this thread you even deny that.

    And though i don’t normally engage in grammatical corrections to score points, your misuse here of the noun wont,

    while you —- as is your won’t —– attributed is to some sort of ‘black entitlement’ thinking of mine

    is YET ANOTHER demonstration of your pretentiousness.

    Hey it’s ok to use big words – but you have to know what they mean. Wont does not mean will not and that is not its derivation.

  30. Elk,
    this blog is often about commenters complaining about other commenters; now go twiddle your mutilated cock…

    I just want to shoot for levity this week.

    And basketball.

    “You do not understand logic, nor the basic distinction between dialectic and rhetoric,”

    Because ONE TIME I absent-mindedly referrred to Thordaddy’s comments as ‘rhetoric’ as opposed to ‘dialectic,’ a more appropriate term?

    That’s what doomed me?

    Elk, quit raising specious and desperate criticism; I’m sorry, but i don’t feel you’re my peer in terms of professional writing accomplishment. This, even though I don’t feel I’ve done anything that remarkable.

    I just think you’ve probably done less, going by the self-defeating behavior you display on this blog.

    Nobody gives a fuck.

  31. i don’t normally engage in grammatical corrections to score points, your misuse here of the noun wont,

    hey, blame my p.c.’s ‘auto-INcorrect’ feature —— and then interpret my lack of ‘once-over’ editing as a sign of my overall disregard of this particular interaction.

  32. i have the confidence to say so, and submit my opinion to the evaluation of the audience.

    OK, I welcome third-party assessment of our tiffing, too…… now, if you’ll excuse me, i’m going to take in Trump’s speech before AIPAC and then undergo my new middle-age workout.

  33. Because ONE TIME I absent-mindedly referrred to Thordaddy’s comments as ‘rhetoric’ as opposed to ‘dialectic,’ a more appropriate term?

    That’s what doomed me?

    Elk, quit raising specious and desperate criticism;

    But nikcrit it is not specious. That is exactly the point.

    You abuse and misuse words, which indicates that you don’t think clearly, and or don’t care enough to write clearly, which indicates that you don’t respect the audience, and perhaps then not yourself.

    But hey, if one’s accomplishment in life is writing about OTHER PEOPLE, what kind of self-respect does that merit anyways.

  34. “You abuse and misuse words, which indicates that you don’t think clearly, and or don’t care enough to write clearly, which indicates that you don’t respect the audience, and perhaps then not yourself.”

    Perhaps, to some degree—– we discussed this very issue here recently, e.g., how blog commentary is what I consider about 70-80% on its way to polished published prose, and how it’s nice to have that immediacy, though you end up losing some of the precision…But maybe the latter doesn’t matter, because your prose is not going before thousands of strange pairs of eyes, but rather to a familiar few, who —– if showing good faith—– know you and can probably gather your more specific intent because they ARE familiar with your prose and thinking style, however casual.

    In any case, you seem very, very concerned about my lack of grammarian hawkishness here. But I can assure you, I am capable of formal English when I really need to be. However, thank you for your detached and objective concern!

  35. “As is your wont” – wait, how is this incorrect? I’ve been out of school a long time, someone please enlighten me.

    Doesn’t “wont” mean “customary behavior.”

  36. nikcrit, i agree that it is self-defeating behavior, to argue with you.

    That concession is not a dialectical trick, it is an acknowledgement of your point.

    You say that nobody gives a fuck. Well buddy – i said those exact same words during our previous fight – so credit where it’s due, that was my observation.* And it is probably true, but it is hard to know what other people think.

    I don’t know whether or not our antagonism and its display has any value. I like to think that it does, beyond the egos involved. In my case it motivates me to argue as best i can.

    And perhaps more important, to proceed with caution in the future. We are not going to be friends, that is obvious. I would like to see a separation of black and white, starting with us. You have ingrained yourself here, but your motives are the result of your own mixed blood. You are no friend to the white man, let us at least be clear about that.

    * Go back and reread our epic, anyone unwilling to take my word on that observation. nikcrit is essentially copping my line, and putting it forth as his.

  37. But maybe the latter doesn’t matter, because your prose is not going before thousands of strange pairs of eyes, but rather to a familiar few

    You may have a larger audience than you think. So far this year I has more than 18,000 visitors and 57,000 views. About 65% are of them are in the US, another roughly 25% are from other Anglosphere countries, and the rest mostly from other Western countries.

  38. Excuse while i reiterate, … how did that go, … oh yeah …
    ___________

    “So they are complaining about other people, and i am complaining about them.” That would be consistent behavior, of all parties involved.

    “My complaint about them, is that they are complaining about other people.”

    So in a logical analysis – is my complaint about them, valid?

    (It is not so simple, after all.)

    However. As the object of the complaint is other people, and its basis is that complaining about other people is a negative: the complaint itself is nullified.

    So there is your logical analysis, kids. Can you better it? Please be my guest.

    And yeah i am pissed off.

  39. If you want to appeal to logic, back it the fuck up. See above. Can you do it?

    You don’t just get to say “logic” like a magic fucking word; that doesn’t in itself say a damned thing.

    This is the White Table, and there are kids here who can think in abstract terms.

    And i am harping on this because 1) yeah i am invested, but 2) it is a great illustration of faulty argumentation, and 3) i win.

  40. elk: “You say that nobody gives a fuck. Well buddy – i said those exact same words during our previous fight – so credit where it’s due, that was my observation.*”

    (Sigh) Do you seriously believe that such an opinion is unique? Really? I cannot count how many times someone has said that these such feuds are trifling matters. You HAVE to know as much and thus are being disingenious here…

    ” I would like to see a separation of black and white, starting with us. You have ingrained yourself here, but your motives are the result of your own mixed blood. You are no friend to the white man, let us at least be clear about that. “

    You are ridiculous. Y’know, I might just wager that some of the other raycist alt-righters on this blog relate to me better than to you —– who, now that we’re on the subject of sub_elk, often displays the very white-male social ills and other cultural maladies that blogs like these disparage and lament: overly fey and effete sensibilities; extreme self-absorption and self-defeatism; comically myopic self-analysis and self-deprecation. I mean, what’s not to love in such a coddled creature?

    Where is the threat? No one’s trying to marry into each others family or mess with each others siblings or daughters…..

    Elk, be a bit more smart and detached; stop being such a stereotypical pussywhipped idiot; you’re smart, as many of us here are, but you’re nowhere near as brilliant and precious as you think you are.

    Reel it in some. You’d be way more effective by proffering less.

  41. “This is the White Table, and there are kids here who can think in abstract terms.”

    LOL!! GMAFB!

    Elk, my white half is pure Minnesota nordic; i’m arguably more ‘aryan’ than many-a-white-man who scribes on this blog!

  42. but you’re nowhere near as brilliant and precious as you think you are

    But i am smarter than you, and that’s what matters here. See above. You can’t even take up the challenge, to do logical analysis which you claimed was on your side. Prove me wrong.

    Also, so you are maintaining that you friends with white people and their struggle in these times. That is how i read your comment just now. I will take you at your word in that, i guess.

    I will also acknowledge that it has been a mistake to talk about my personal problems. But if we took a poll – who gets a better hit rate, on their comments here? me or you.

    nikcrit – do you think it is any contest, on that. I think that WordPress might be able to provide that metric.

    PA – would you be game, if that metric is available, to make it known, whose comments, mine or nikcrit’s, have a better hit rate?

    Whose comments are more likely to be considered by the larger audience, as relevant, mine or nikcrit’s. Seriously? Do i even have to argue this.

    nikcrit, you talk delusional – you are projecting huge. You are coddled HERE. That i am the only one here to take you to task – is an EMBARRASSMENT, and frankly, an indictment of our audience at large.

    And i realize that is a risky statement and by any assessment of blog politics, a mistake. However, it’s true. Is nikcrit anything but a laughable caricature and a blowhard.

    Aside from music and sports – which is not nothing – but what has he got.

  43. whose comments, mine or nikcrit’s, have a better hit rate?

    I don’t have data at that level of detail. If somebody clicks on a commenter’s link on the sidebar, the overall post gets the “credit”, not the specific comment.

  44. Actually i don’t feel that he has nothing to offer, that has never been my take. However – he failed in my logic challenge above. He tells me i’m not so smart – but won’t even take up the challenge right in front of him. He won’t even acknowledge that point i made, and how he was not up for the task. How he failed.

    And nikcrit, it is not nothing, how when you say “logic” and then can’t back it up.

    It goes to quality of your thoughts, and your character. But you don’t see that it goes to your character, because you are black, and have a different notion of character. That is true, by the way, and not just a slight.

    You see your error as a gaffe, but i see it as revealing of a faulty character, of someone who speaks in words that they do now know. Someone used to getting away with it, but when challenged, will not take the test or even acknowledge the challenge.

  45. elk, you are deluded….. seriously; there is little to nothing transcending or even precious about your overheated prose….. As for me? I don’t even aspire to the artistic auteur pretense; i’m more a critic, columnist —– a reactor.
    I tell ya: you put down mainstream newspaper writing —– but you would struggle at it, because, it’s not just how well you can file readable copy on a deadline; it’s how well you can do that while dealing with non-stop personal politics, back-biting, peer-gossip, public-pressure, scandal-mongering, etc.

    Going by your weak temperament here, you would fold in a minute….you are a scared child suffering from arrested development —– and now you’re throwing an embarassing tantrum..Hear it again: you’re not nearly as precious and unique as you believe; it is a white-loser mantra to think they are mentally superior to any and all ‘NAMs’; I know ‘talented-tenth’ blacks from grad school that could run circles around your overheated mind —– and have characters that would pity your pussywhipped ass.

    You insult your betters! Your little ‘white=superior logic” bromide is just a pathetic attempt to pump yourself up. Shut up and be humble; don’t make things worse than they are.

  46. “– do you think it is any contest, on that. I think that WordPress might be able to provide that metric.”

    Actually, as I mentioned on this very blog a few months ago, WordPress contacted me, said they were very interested in my commentary and asked me if I’d be interested in doing some blog assessment and commentary for them —- for pay!

    And they have followed through with just that —– though their interest is more in my personal demographic than in the specifics of my commmentary or other written CONTENT.

    So, i’m not sure if that anecdote contradicts your presumptions about me or not.

  47. @PA,
    Ok, I respect any decision of yours on this, as it’s your blog —— but I do wish you’d run that 9:38 p.m. comment of mine; i’m genuinely curious if others agree; or, if you’re really against the idea, i wish you’d reply to me personally about that, cuz it’s something i wanted to ask for a while

  48. It’s been up, Nikcrit. I modded it for a moment by accident. You and Elk can pick up on your personal argument tomorrow if you want to do that. Let’s not continue that tonight though.

  49. PA, I am to blame for all of this with what I started on Saturday. I apologize and reiterate that I’m trying to gradually move my alt-right posting content higher up the culture and quality chain, in line with what you’re trying to achieve in this blog. It’s not about any individual one of us in particular, even though some appear to have lost sight of that.

    A potential alt-right convert could happen by this thread right now, witness this insanity and we will surely lose that potential fellow traveler forever. I am quite ashamed. lol

  50. I will side with nikcrit on this particular exchange (at least the first part before it became a pissing match), but I do see merit in Subelk’s general point. For the past few decade, NAM grievance has been legitimized and encouraged in every aspect of society, taught from grade school to college. and then as if the point isn’t ingrained well enough, you have these embarrassing “diversity and sensitivity” corporate training seminars … I mean the whole enterprise is just so silly.. and if you so much as disagree with a NAM whining about something you are met with a PC lynch mob shouting “white privilege! white supremacy! NAZI!!!”

    With that in mind, what do the both of you think of this racial fluff piece written by the perpetually aggrieved race baiter, Toure

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/toure/donald-trump-white-lives-matter_b_9499508.html

    He says:
    “I want to see white people who are against the Trump movement snatch White Lives Matter from him and turn it into something that uplifts without oppressing anyone. Help build a whiteness we can all be proud of. I’d support that.”

    Do you think he really means that, or has even thought it through?
    I mean, if he is serious about white lives matter, maybe he should go on his show and talk about the shocking amount of violence committed against whites at the hand of blacks, instead of blaming whitey for everything..

    And furthermore, since he is in such dismay over this implicit white identitarian movement that has coalesced around Trump, do you think he has the self awareness that it has been people like HIM that have contributed to it. what did dedicated progs like him would think would be the eventual response to the incessant racial browbeating?

  51. With that in mind, what do the both of you think of this racial fluff piece written by the perpetually aggrieved race baiter, Toure

    I was talking at length about Toure last week, but nobody joined me so I dropped it.

    He is the quintessential new media liberal pundit, and we need people like him in the news as much as possible because it will get whites off the fence. And we know that when whites have to leave their no-man’s land political purgatory and actually chose a side they will fall on the right side of things with increasing frequency in today’s climate.

  52. @PA,
    actually, i meant to say the 9:29 p.m. remark; the one in which you explained your actions…..again, i accept whatever and consider it the blog host’s right and discretion; i’m just sick of these circular arguments; i try to ignore this shite, but sometimes it gets too easy to spit back.

    [I understand. You can copy/paste repost it tomorrow morning if you like. No more Nik-Elk foodfight tonight though please. -PA]

  53. I replied to camlost’s toure gripes a few weeks back.

    I tell you, he’s not as blindly ‘blue-pill’ on race as you think; t.v. commentators get horribly typecast; he’s in Network executive’s Rolodexes under the term “black issues”; he’s booked to provide as pre-decided POV; it sucks, but that is how that shit is programmed; you can’t critically assess that stuff from an objective-academic viewpoint. I liked that guy, during some chance encounters….. He’s not some black-racist-hatemonger guy

  54. He’s not some black-racist-hatemonger guy

    Yeah Nik we discussed this and I know that he’s not some “kill whitey” type of New Black Panther. We’re never really worried about that tiny group of folks, they’re comically inept anyway.

    He’s really far left, though. His kind would not bat an eyelash at the idea of having the federal government ban Trump or the Tea Party or give out mandatory felony sentences to proscribe “hate speech” – meaning anything said by white people that he doesn’t like.

  55. ^^
    yeah do you think he’s Really that shackled to the boilerplate lefty racial politics he’s constantly spewing? I mean, if he started to go red pill, he could always get a job at Fox. In fact, I think if he strayed from the plantation so to speak, he might even get more attention than he does now.

    Anyway his aforementioned essay perhaps was an attempt to dip his toe in the water, but it’s clear he hasn’t thought through the implications of what he is saying, which leads me to believe he probably hasn’t thought deeply about any of this stuff really, just reciting the talking points that are taught in every undergrad mandatory race/gender/class intro course.

  56. He’s really far left, though. His kind would not bat an eyelash at the idea of having the federal government ban Trump or the Tea Party or give out mandatory felony sentences to proscribe “hate speech” – meaning anything said by white people that he doesn’t like.

    Not true; you’re not acknowledging or do not believe my adamantine riffs about how cable-news punditry is a cultivated-image vocation; it’s a role that may or may not have specific expertise, but regardless requires airtight typecasting; e.g., if, say, some retired war general is a guest-expert whenever some mideast war scenario emerges, there you have your twinning of expert punditry and expert experience. But if, say, a race riot brews in America, those same news channels have to get center-right and center-left race ‘experts’ onto the panels, and there there is no specific ‘expertise’ to fit the race-typecast needed; hence, Toure is the on-tap center-left talking head, while, say, Stanley Crouch is ever-ready and on-tap to wear the center-right anti-riot pundit’s cap…… they’re stuck in the roles that the white liberal corporateology designates and entombs them in!!! lol!!

    It’s gotten so bad and limited a pool of typecastings that they actually have that guy who plays drums in the Roots —- the backing band for Kimmel or whatever —- doubling down as race-pundit on Sunday morning panels; i forget his name — the guy i call the 21st-century version of Buddy Miles; this big, chunky drummer with a wild 60s-style afro.

  57. In fact, I think if he strayed from the plantation so to speak, he might even get more attention than he does now.

    I agree. I noticed on FOX you’re seeing more the black-neo-con punditry, and even black paleo-con stuff —– whihc is currently being incarnated by one Stacey Dash, who’s doing some absolutely hilarious punditry whoring lately. She’s clearly trying to fill s niche and just garner attention for herself. The fact that she’s good at her ruse, and knows enough Red Pill positions and justifying mythology, makes her entertaining while taking in her hustle. She’s rather sexy, too, Imo…… what do you raycist white fellers think? Would any of you trash your convictions for a night to cavort with this?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=sexy+stacey+dash&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=661&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiItJvDrdPLAhUGOCYKHQmmBUoQ_AUIBygB&dpr=1

  58. So whaddya think of Trump’s goy pitch to AIPAC?

    I was surprised .. he can actually sound intelligent when he wants to … and when he reads from a teleprompter. The audience was clearly roused by him moreso than the other candidates. It appears maybe he might flatter the Jews as an unapologetic “strongman” to protect Israel. The line about Obama being a bad for israel drew the greatest applause. One thing he has to stop doing though is the comical self promotion, like when referring to the Iranian nuclear deal he said “I’ve studied this more than anyone, I guarantee it” garnered a sustained laughter from the audience.. the thought of him being some foreign policy wonk lol.

    I truly feel sorry for Cruz. He’s a very intelligent and hard working politician, with an unfortunate face that people just don’t like.

  59. Anyway his aforementioned essay perhaps was an attempt to dip his toe in the water, but it’s clear he hasn’t thought through the implications of what he is saying,

    First of all, Nik is deluded because he likes the guy. And that’s fine. They must’ve kicked it together at the club or something. There’s nothing “blue pill” in him or his article, read it again.

    Second of all, Toure’s not saying anything new at all, it’s just typical, empty Obamist chatter with a tiny little concession thrown in to whites to allow them “pride,” but under very specific conditions. No white people are going to fall for this.

    I believe white men should be proud of who they are and where they’ve come from.

    Really? But what if I’d like to have my own ideas about what this should mean? And what if I don’t really see the absurdity in what he calls “the absurd delusions of white marginalization.”? And what if I don’t think that Michael Brown is a hero?

    The more we see of this, the better – for our purposes. It’s kind of a standard black liberal line to attempt to give certain whites the grudging right to exist, as long as they pull the right lever, but don’t get uppity and think that they can have political interests that are not approved by the govt. They don’t realize just how bizarre this stuff comes across to whites, partly because they’ve spent so much time around sycophantic white liberals who’d never disagree with a word they utter. See this article at the Root:

    http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2015/12/the_difference_between_white_people_and_white_people.html

    Bottom line is that as long as whites vote his way he’s possibly (theoretically) fine with the idea of the right kind of white people being allowed to meekly mention “white heritage” just like any other ethnic group, but if the bitter clingers start to advocate for smaller government, support for law enforcement, less immigration or lower taxes – well now, that’s racist. And that notion of “white heritage” has to be the type that he can “get behind” – whites don’t get to fashion it themselves.

  60. The fact that she’s good at her ruse, and knows enough Red Pill positions and justifying mythology, makes her entertaining while taking in her hustle

    I prefer the punditry of my outspoken coworker, I overheard her in the break room the other day gesticulating with her outlandish fingernails and bobbing her head she says:

    “I knows why y’alls white people be votin for Trump – ya’lls be sick of bein so politically correct all the damn time! Y’all just wanna come out an’ say it – i don’t want none of dem crazy muslims comin ova here an blowin mah shit up! Sheeeit!”

  61. Not true; you’re not acknowledging or do not believe my adamantine riffs about how cable-news punditry is a cultivated-image vocation;

    I believe you in general on the whole typecasting thing regarding TV pundits and how that bends portrayals, just not in regards to this particular person.

  62. @ Nik – I was just flipping channels and I swore I just saw Dave Navarro on a Fox panel. I’m scared to turn back now and see what that is all about wtf… I’ll just shut my mouth defer to you on these things from now on, lol.

  63. It would have been more courteous, PA, to first post a warning or injunction, rather than deleting my posts.

  64. Anyone who is media savvy wants to position himself to accommodate the Trump proles.

    There would be an opportunity for anyone. White advocates still have to make their case, beyond Trump.

    Trump’s Make America Great Again is a pipe dream. Can America really be great again. Modesty would seem to be more the order of the day. But modesty doesn’t sell. It is the old catch-22.

  65. Elk, I did you a fucking favor. I didn’t delete them, just modded them. But you already knew that. Like I messaged you, I can reinstate all of them when you’re sober, just say the word.

  66. PA – No, i did NOT know that they were modded rather than deleted. The email associated with my handle is bogus – see how it reads. However i see your point there. As the comments did not appear, yes you are right i should have concluded that.

    I do not request that those two comments be instated because they are no longer timely or contextual. They were, however, last night. I liked the one that read, Those who cannot do, criticize.

    You misjudged calling me drunk. I don’t know that is even relevant though.

  67. “Nik – I was just flipping channels and I swore I just saw Dave Navarro on a Fox panel…..I’ll just shut my mouth defer to you on these things from now on, lol.”

    Lol!! I know people know this in general, or have no problem believing it. But if you don’t have some practical, day-to-day reason to rue-in-earnest over such nonsense it’s quite easy in moments to absent-mindedly take this or some particular talking head’s nonsense seriously.

    In fact, the truth is even more scary: Those fabricated personas you see ruminating aloud on Red Eye or on MHP’s now-defunct show on MSNBC are finely crafted and test-marketed caricatures which may or may not contain some partisan heft and conviction —— but are ALWAYS secondary to their demographic appeal and charisma.

    Those seeking ‘The Truth’ have to look at the punditry as just one small step in its assembly; everyone sorta knows as much —- but only a few have reason to be vigilant and it’s easy as hell to be overwhelmed!

  68. As a point i guess that PA is right that i should have concluded, and might be said to have “known” that my comments were modded and not deleted.

    And therefore i am in error in saying, this morning, that he deleted them.

    In my defense, i was essentially EQUATING modding with deletion; and if this is a serious argument, i say that equation holds: modding IS a category of deletion: the comment is submitted and it gets deleted. From the perspective of BOTH the blog owner AND the commenter, the comment in question is up for submission and THEN deleted. So i have a good case, and merely concede the argument to be agreeable.

  69. @Camlost,
    btw, that funkster-turned-pundit is Questlove, whose band The Roots doubles as the Jimmy Fallon houseband…. Sorry, i haven’t paid attention to such shite in recent years…..Better start, though; he could become our next Secretary of State.

  70. About last night….

    I too had a pair of comments ‘modded’; that’s fine with me, but I would like to repost one of those two withheld remarks:

    ““whose comments, mine or nikcrit’s, have a better hit rate?”

    @PA,
    Y’know, with all due respect, you are partially responsible for creating this embarrassing monster.
    I mean, granted: you’re a Slavic intellectual who’s partial to a heavy and solipsistic kind of muse, intellectuality and artistry, a la Kieslowski; it’s part your style, part a logical extension of your ethnicity and cultural instinct. I can see how a guy with elk’s style makes an impression on you.

    But you’re also aware of this guy’s, umm, excesses, if we don’t want to outright say ‘foibles,’ and you have to notice that everytime you praise this guy’s comments —– some of which i’ve particularly enjoyed myself —– it’s nonetheless akin to fanning flames or outright pouring gasoline on them, as such praise merely cranks up his longwinded pretension, prose and attendant ego.

    As the old phrase goes, my blog host: you bought it, not you gotta feed it!

    [Hey Nik, I like Elk but I modded him for the rest of the night. It became obvious to me he is drunk. In the interest of ending the argument, I modded ths comment too, so only you can read it. You are not modded otherwise though.] “

    OK, Having said that, I’ll only add that I regret making personal insults to elk but think they were justified. It bothers me that I used personal info that elk himself submitted in making said insults. But he was pushing real hard yesterday, initially going off over remarks of mine that weren’t even directed at him and overall proving my contention that he often can dish it out but can’t take it.

  71. “I truly feel sorry for Cruz. He’s a very intelligent and hard working politician, with an unfortunate face that people just don’t like.”

    Cruz is a true psychotic liar who is not trusted by both political enemies and benefactors. Google a few news items re. him and his relationship to his party and you’ll quickly gather a consensus from sources of various quality that Cruz is personally despicable and will stop at nothing to achieve his political ambitions.

    Par for the course of any successful politician? Perhaps. But still, while you could say Bill Clinton had such ambitions, you don’t see a litany of people in his own party, successful and aspirational, sabotaging themselves by publicly ridiculing him, as you do by fellow-Republicans trashing Cruz.

  72. “I prefer the punditry of my outspoken coworker, I overheard her in the break room the other day gesticulating with her outlandish fingernails and bobbing her head she says:

    “I knows why y’alls white people be votin for Trump – ya’lls be sick of bein so politically correct all the damn time! Y’all just wanna come out an’ say it – i don’t want none of dem crazy muslims comin ova here an blowin mah shit up! Sheeeit!'”

    I think a lot of whites who are strongly monoracial in choosing where they hang out and who they socialize with would be very surprised how common are characters like your ‘outspoken co-worker’ in the larger working-class black-American world; it’s damn-near majority opinion; I would suggest that the cultural cog-dis gets even murkier in that many working-class blacks who would mouth the above about Trump would also constitute the crowd that makes for Al Sharpton’s viewer’s too.

    Hi-tech and atomized 21st-century identity politics make for atomized and idiosyncratic media demographics.

  73. Just last week, Trump was facing The Litmus Test and this week he claims to be Israel’s greatest friend in the race. In other words, Trump, for his few solid stances, is still an anti-white Supremacist under the spell of a “Christian” cuckservative mentality that IMAGINES “The Chosen Ones” as desirous of a homeland. The reality is that any religion that demands a deracinated adherent makes null and void the notion of a true homeland. One can witness the same ethos amongst Muslims. “The Chosen Ones,” being the archetype self-annihilators, i.e., desiring to “live” on the brink of annihilation, are NATURALLY HOMELESS. In more contemporary terms, “The Chosen Ones” desire RADICAL AUTONOMY. Israel is the contentious “homeland” that serves as the distraction point… Serves as the false front… Serves as a smokescreen for Islam’s real lack of “homeland.” Yes, some Jews desire a homeland, BUT NOT AS “The Chosen Ones.”

  74. @Thor,
    Earlier in, I believe, this thread, some back-n-forth re. Chateau Heartiste took place; I’ve been curious, what is the Thordaddy critical overview of CH, both the proprietor and the cmmenters?

    btw, though O.T.: any thoughts on how this morning’s events in Brussels may have shook up the consensus on the E.U.’s homecourt?

  75. Nikcrit…

    Since I’ve been in the trenches for the last 18 years, I missed most of CH’s rise. He was largely nonexistent in my realm of reading. Game, PUA, etc. just had no play in my life… I do read him now on occasion and I’ll be honest, he’s incredibly humorous, witty, creative, etc. Although, he still WOULD NOT claim to be a wS. So he is de facto, anti-wS. And so the reality is that to the extent he propagates radical sexual autonomy, he propagates anti-wS. And to the extent that he propagates anti-wS is to the degree he suffers from pathological deracination, i.e., hatred for the Father.

    Radical sexual autonomy + deracination = self-annihilation.

    And so as CH gets goaded to be evermore racial, HE MUST in turn tighten the noose around his niche.

  76. Second of all, Toure’s not saying anything new at all, it’s just typical, empty Obamist chatter with a tiny little concession thrown in to whites to allow them “pride,” but under very specific conditions. No white people are going to fall for this.

    Agreed! Did you see Barry yukking it up with the commies in Cuba while Brussels burned?H e says in his speech:

    “You have two Cuban-Americans in the Republican Party running against the legacy of a black man who is president, while arguing that they’re the best person to beat the Democratic nominee who will either be a woman or a Democratic socialist,” Mr. Obama said. “Who would have believed that back in 1959?”

    I’ve always suspected that Obama just never really liked America. In the waning days of his office, the facade is starting to slip.

    Btw – really enjoyed your comment about trump sweeping the white house clear of the whole Obama freak show .. wish I could find it.

    I would suggest that the cultural cog-dis gets even murkier in that many working-class blacks who would mouth the above about Trump would also constitute the crowd that makes for Al Sharpton’s viewer’s too.

    Worth watching – Larry Wilmore, who carries the flickering torch of liberal snark humor, does the Daily Show style fake news anchor routine on a panel of black Trump voters. Thank God liberal snark humor is on its way out. Everyone is sick of smug liberal fussbudgets.

    http://splitsider.com/2016/03/larry-wilmore-attempts-to-understand-a-group-of-black-donald-trump-supporters/

  77. Thank God liberal snark humor is on its way out. Everyone is sick of smug liberal fussbudgets.

    I sense that too. My example of the trend i submitted a couple of weeks ago: that stupid SNL ‘Beyonce is Black” skit, that was just idiotic in its dated irrelevance.

    A cultural shit seems ominous and already well into the works. But what i can’t yet garner is what’s the new zeitgeist? Black paleocon sentiment, a la Stacey Dash? I’m thinking its going to be some kind of half-succcessful attempt to reconcile black American aesthetic with pre-60s white Americana —– its artistic edge and challenge will be to champion and revive pre-civil-rights black and white cutting-edge while somehow refiguring Uncle Tom-isms —- the REAL taboo of ;post-60s liberal sentiment and race relations; to somehow merge and make hip an amalgamation of Glenn Campbell and Flip Wilson, Tammy Wynette and Aretha Franklin at a pop-cellular level symbiosis!

    I see it somehow; the volk are sick of the sort-of over-established or hyper-established, or make that uberestablished polarity —– yet, they’re a half-century steeped in brotherhood ethos and coercion and thus have to resolve their familial-by-now connection.

  78. MGE.
    I agree with you on how the political arc of that Wilmore skit ascribed to the liberal snark tract in its making absurd black Trump supporters —– but i thought that was a pretty good and interesting bit nonetheless; if you notice, the script was stunted and tired in the way you said, but the actual characters, with their non-stereotype black dialects and other quirks is sort-of along the lines of the ‘what’s next?’ i proposed in my previous comment. I’m going to check out more from that guy, whose name i’ve heard but haven’t realliy investigated……

    (i’m a bit oblivious to this zeitgeist that i’m often prognosticating upon. lol!)

  79. I think a lot of whites who are strongly monoracial in choosing where they hang out and who they socialize with would be very surprised how common are characters like your ‘outspoken co-worker’ in the larger working-class black-American world;

    Yes, Nik I am very well aware that blacks are often not very PC in their personal manner. But it doesn’t make a dime’s worth of difference – they’re always going to vote far left in America.

  80. “But it doesn’t make a dime’s worth of difference – they’re always going to vote far left in America.”

    Well, that might change over time. I doubt it would ever be part of some kind of quick and radical change. But consider this: what if Hillary picked, say, Al Gore as a running mate —- and Trump picked Omarosa, as we jokingly ventured a while back?

    What then of Trump and the black vote?

  81. I can see how a guy with elk’s style makes an impression on you.

    Well, it does. He is very perceptive and his thinking opens new ways of thinking or looking at things. It’s a hit-and-miss style that gives form to the formless pre-verbal flashes of association in our minds when certain things don’t seem quite right in the bigger world.

    I’ll avoid stepping in to mod people from here on though except for the usual reasons of trolling/spamming/disruption.

    PS: I do like your music biz anecdotes, btw. Enjoyed the one about the “Wear Shades” band.

  82. Well, that might change over time……. What then of Trump and the black vote?

    Trump may get as much as 10 to 20% of the black vote because they love the loud, brash, big man persona.

    But nothing is “changing.” Western blacks will continue giving overwhelming support to the party of bigger government now and forever, since government gives them so much in return which they can’t do for themselves very well, and at very little cost since they don’t pay squat in taxes. I’d vote for free money from the sky if I could, too. Some estimates are that up to 1/3 of employed blacks work in public sector, or directly related jobs.

  83. I’ll avoid stepping in to mod people from here on though except for the usual reasons of trolling/spamming/disruption.

    Well, I’m predicting that the cat fights are just starting, since not everyone here seems equally “amenable” to constructive criticism.

  84. “Some estimates are that up to 1/3 of employed blacks work in public sector, or directly related jobs.”

    A while back on this blog I noted that my current gig is the first time I worked a public-sector job (state) and went on to describe how taken aback I’ve been at times in the difference in overall aggregate quality and caliber are the two forms in terms of relative quality and caliber of employees matched to certain positions.

    I went on to describe in formal description my specific job title and duties. It was sort-of a striking experience, and i duly noted some of the raised brows of other commenters in their reaction to my description. To sum it up quickly, I’m not exactly saving the humanity from itself on a day-to-day basis.

    But that led me to think of what I DO do on a daily basis, much of which isn’t really on my formal job description: When i factor in all the one-on-one counseling, approaches to lecturing and overall lending an ear to the various subsets of NAM youth, I dare would say that I do a lot of extracurricular counseling and ear-lending that many even HERE would laud me for…. Yeah, that’s right: I give race-real advice to many-a-adolescent NAM, hammering home paens of self-reliance and offering cynicism toward any kind of self-serving and self-pitying self-expression, which isn’t exactly uncommon amongs impoverished teenagers of any ethno-racial group.

    I’ve even at times wondered to myself how some of the regulars here would respond to some of my NAM-to-NAM moments of youth counsel. I’m in the trenches, turning advisorial words into deeds—–now, can y’all say the same?

  85. I’ve even at times wondered to myself how some of the regulars here would respond to some of my NAM-to-NAM moments of youth counsel. I’m in the trenches, turning advisorial words into deeds—–now, can y’all say the same?

    It would require more specifics, as to how you are advising them.

    For all that we know, his advice is how to get with the white girls. In fact judging from his performance here and the stories that he relates, it would seem not unlikely that that is the main thrust of his advice.

    So i for one am immensely skeptical that nikcrit is doing us any good, in his role as youth adviser.

    Evaluating nikcrit’s performance in that capacity requires knowing what extent that capacity is explicitly part of the job.

    The question i was asking of him earlier, is what are his REAL feelings for white Americans; and if he is advising adolescents, then that question is more relevant than ever.

    **************

    Independent of the nikcrit situation, the role of youth adviser in the public schools, is an interesting one. As i understand it, it is not clear how much a part of the job the youth advising, is meant to be. There is a lot of ambiguity and mixed signals. Teachers in public high schools would be the best example of that undefined role.

    Are teachers meant to be guidance counselors and role models, or teachers? It is such an obvious problem, and a big one. I have no inside perspective on this question. I know that there is a lot of passionate opinion about it, and hard feelings.

    Though actually, everyone who went through public schools has an insider’s opinion on it. My impression is that things have become more and more nebulous, as far as what the teachers’ responsibilities are, to the students. It is a very topical theme.

  86. Regarding cat fights, the have the positive side effect of being a motivator. As in, once they get started, one REALLY wants to make his point.

    Other than that, i don’t see that they are good thing, or reflect well on anyone.

    I will admit that i could only call our last confrontation a draw, and that would be giving me the benefit of the doubt. And so that is a stain on my record. I still maintain that i was RIGHT, on my points, which was that nikcrit was being hypocritical for condemning other people for complaining (by complaining about THEM), and that was my point.

    I can not say that i don’t care. It does cast the whole experience in a negative relief.

    I do not neglect his criticism. His criticism of me PERSONALLY is almost entirely throwing back the things i have said about myself.

    His criticism of my writing though, is essentially motivated by either jealousy or his own failure to comprehend.

    The reality is, the big topics that come up here are not pretentious but they can be. Mythmaking and enthnogenesis – jeez who is up for that.

    I don’t need to call him a monkey or an enword. That is not fair either. I don’t regard black people some of whom i know and respect as either of those.

  87. I don’t need to make this a soap opera, or about me.

    Solipsism and narcissism are misunderstood concepts. They are concepts that have a lot of depth and a lot of variation, and they get thrown around as insults.

    A certain degree of solipsism and narcissism are in fact the base of human psychology; or perhaps the base of white psychology. Tanstaafl was describing solipsism as a particularly white mentality, which is part of our quest for transcendence and greatness.

    We all DO feel like the only thing in the universe. Recognizing that other people exist equally and with that same feeling, can be a stretch. And everyone has a different base level of that feeling, and a different tolerance for it.

    I think that feeling of being alone in the head, is more particular to white people, and that it does strike non-whites as weird or self-absorbed. We do not have the same psychic constitutions. That is basic HBD, but how the basics actually fall out, is not necessarily commonly understood.

    People have intuition about how races are different, that gets to those things. Everyone knows that white people can be more spergy, and that blacks are more in tune with each other, for instance.

  88. Yeah, that’s right: I give race-real advice to many-a-adolescent NAM, hammering home paens of self-reliance and offering cynicism toward any kind of self-serving and self-pitying self-expression, which isn’t exactly uncommon amongs impoverished teenagers of any ethno-racial group.

    And you’ll probably provide some genuine help to 1 out 25 NAM kids that way, but I’m not a fan of spinning my wheels like that. Starr Parker preaches the same kind of tough love, if you’re not familiar with her, but no one listens to her because she’s a self-proclaimed black republican. But old heads giving pep talks and droppin’ knowledge like Furious Styles isn’t raising the IQ of any of those said NAM’s, nor did any of the last 20 movies Hollywood made about teachers saving inner city students. It’s a losing battle.

    But I don’t see how you can tolerate that year after year. It’s gotta be draining for any degreed person or anyone with IQ well into 3 digits or more. Hell, I got worn out from 3 years of coaching 8th-grade basketball and having too many “urban” types who never seemed to have a ride home from practice, or uniform fees, or any money to eat on trips out of town.

    Though actually, everyone who went through public schools has an insider’s opinion on it. My impression is that things have become more and more nebulous, as far as what the teachers’ responsibilities are, to the students. It is a very topical theme.

    Student needs from teachers depends on the demographics of the school. The more blacks or Latinos your school has (aka “at risk” kids) the higher that student body’s needs all across the board – and teachers have to double as mentors, friends, family, jailers, security guards, wardens and probation officer as well. In contrast, FOB Asians are broke as hell at home but you’ll never catch them showing up to school being disruptive or not having basic supplies.

  89. It is topical, to say that nikcrit’s personal advice, of not to consider yourself (myself), special or unique, is quite right.

    That is ultimately growing up.

    The flip side of that advice though, is that some people DO attain GREATNESS, and those people might well consider themselves special. Though “special” is a loaded word, and so doesn’t work there. A better word for them would be GREAT, or maybe some other word is better. Epic. Heroic. Legendary.

    Frank Herbert wrote a lot about that, of living the experience of greatness, of being involved in making the myths that will last. And part of that deal, is being aware of what one is involved in. That concept is referred to quite simply and accurately as prophecy.

    And as a concept it was obscure and esoteric but now perhaps not so much so?

    As a topic, it can be dangerous for an individual who is weak or fragile. That sex addict personality, what is his name, he included the subject as part of his netflix standup routine, so it is no longer obscure. He pointed out that there is actually a new psychiatric diagnosis to cover it, since it has been popping up all over the place: false prophet syndrome or something to that effect. Everyone knows that we need a new religion, or something.

    ******************

    I write about these pretentious topics because what else is there to say?

  90. I still maintain that i was RIGHT, on my points, which was that nikcrit was being hypocritical for condemning other people for complaining (by complaining about THEM), and that was my point.

    Elk, I’m sure I’m inviting another counterfire diatribe back from you, but I think this overarching focus you have on being right is causing you to take some specific criticisms too personally, and also adopt the idea that these criticisms equate to an across-the-board attack on you as a person and writer. Right/wrong is not always that important here and sometimes you have to just move on – even if you feel like you’ve been called out unfairly it’s not always necessary to get the last word.

  91. I think that feeling of being alone in the head, is more particular to white people, and that it does strike non-whites as weird or self-absorbed. We do not have the same psychic constitutions. That is basic HBD, but how the basics actually fall out, is not necessarily commonly understood.

    All of this just lines up with IQ, doesn’t it? Those of higher IQ (Whites and Asians) can comprehend abstraction and tolerate solitary thought very well, while others of less cognition simply can’t…

    For all that we know, his advice is how to get with the white girls.

    LOL. You may disagree with Nikcrit on a wide range of things, but looking at his writing could you really see him behaving that unprofessionally?

  92. You may disagree with Nikcrit on a wide range of things, but looking at his writing could you really see him behaving that unprofessionally?

    Given the anti-white bias typical of public education, i am not sure that such behavior and advice would be considered unprofessional.

  93. elk, camlost: bit more later, but no, I would never render such advice as elk suggests: I wouldn’t out of prudent self-interest, as cam suggests, but also nor out of any genuine personal impulse…I don’t expect you to simply take my word for that, but i’m not able now to give that full consideration.

    For starters, i hope you would believe that I don’t personally, biologically, feel so clearly ‘other’ in which i could even frame such an effort as you propose.Yet I don’t presume others do or should feel the same. More later if as much is sought; elk, i’m interested in your earlier questions but not able to address them with the consideration they deserve right now…. along those lines, my apologies for the hasty and somewhat garbled earlier phone-produced replies.

  94. Elk…

    That a critical mass of “white males” cannot successfully coalesce around a fundamental first principle (strive towards objective Supremacy AS falsification of “universal equality) DOES NOT THEN mean that a critical mass of non-whites cannot identify “white male” as inherently averse to “universal equally” and THUS BY NATURE for “white supremacy.”

    As it stands, not only do the highest IQ “white” males deny that ONLY AROUND objective Supremacy CAN A CRITICAL MASS of white men coalesce, but they also either OUTRIGHT deny that the “white man” desires objective Supremacy or they PASSIVELY accept this inherently Supremacist instinct as pathology DUE SUBMISSION. to a Liberal conceptualization.

    It as plain as day that the true enemy of the white race are the high IQ “white” males who deny white Supremacy.

  95. Elk…

    The true beauty of the above is that it is true NO MATTER *your* concept of “white Supremacy.” It doesn’t matter whether you hold a relativist conception, an absolute conception or no conception at all. It is true for the reality that we are all immersed in no matter what your conceptions the lack thereof.

    Jews are anti-wS
    Blacks are anti-wS
    Jihadists are anti-wS
    Homodykes are anti-wS
    NS are anti-wS
    Miggers are anti-wS
    SJWs are anti-wS
    Tanstaafl is anti-wS
    Vox Day is anti-wS
    Drudge is anti-wS
    Elk is anti-wS
    Moldbug is anti-wS
    Heartiste is anti-wS
    Trump is anti-wS
    The ZEITGEIST is anti-wS…

    This is reality….

    What this means for everyday “white” males COULD NOT BE MORE CLEAR…

    And instead….

    He denies his God-ordained free will.

    He’s damnable and demands annihilation.

  96. If there is no white identity and I’ll contest no black identity then where does that leave a fellow like Nikcrit? How can he form a whole identity from what amounts to “forced integration”
    of fractured pieces of unknown origins? Isn’t the very fact of his miscegenating parents PROOF of their liberated state, ie., their “harmony” with no personal identities? Couldn’t we plausibly assume that his parents had in store for him a truly unidentifiable self? They desired a radically autonomous child and they have received such a “man?” Can Nikcrit perceive this “fate” in a subconscious manner? Isn’t he here because either his black father was very “white liberal” or his radical racial politics didn’t appeal to what sat deep inside Nikcrit’s gut which was a seeking of “white supremacy?” Nikcrit is HERE because IRL he can’t reject “black” with such freedom EVEN if he doesn’t exercise such freedom to the extent that “we” may want him to. Call it a humble restraint. A tendency towards white Supremacy.

  97. I still maintain that i was RIGHT, on my points, which was that nikcrit was being hypocritical for condemning other people for complaining (by complaining about THEM), and that was my point.

    Ok, but that was not my point, even though this issue is what commenced our tiff: I was annoyed by the juxtaposition of Heretic Phi being so abusive and critical and dismissive toward himself —- yet feeling entitled or just plain inclined to be disparaging toward a ethnic ‘other’, in this case, “Congoids.” Right, wrong or inbetween, his slur seemed sort-of galling given the self-critical context it emanated from. That alone is questionable on my part; e.g, he has every right in the world to do as much, etc. But that is in fact what galled me and compelled me to write the comment I did —- which you took as hypocritical, and as a case of me ‘complaining about people who complain about each other,’ or words to that effect. Fine, true enough; but my impulse was based in that racial slur, which, again, I say is not justification in and of itself.

    Given the anti-white bias typical of public education, i am not sure that such behavior and advice would be considered unprofessional.
    It would. I really hope now that the ‘heat of the moment’ has passed that you have reconsidered this statement of yours; with all the candor and conviction I can muster, the public school world I’m privvy to has A) a low single-digit population of ‘white wommenz’ or even white female students, and B) a student-body that is not in any particular way intrigued or, for that matter, indifferent to that demographic distinction. NAM kids do not fetishize white females; you guys are clearly (and perhaps quite innocently) projecting YOUR romantic and erotic preferences onto a younger and racially different social tier that DOES NOT SHARE what in your mind is a Logical/emotional ‘given.’ Furthermore, I respectfully contend that by not being aware of that misguided tendency, you give off impressions that I would bet that you do not personally feel or intend.

    “I think that feeling of being alone in the head, is more particular to white people, and that it does strike non-whites as weird or self-absorbed. We do not have the same psychic constitutions. That is basic HBD, but how the basics actually fall out, is not necessarily commonly understood.”

    I would agree —- in terms of the vast and more subtle ‘aggregate;’ but it’s depressing to have a casual and impromptu ‘black psychic constitutional’ so arbitrary and limited in scope a potential litmus indicatorl: I mean, is the black Nikcrit persona more in lines with, say, Neil Degrasse Tyson and Valerie Jarret? Or more along the lines of Bill Bojangles Robinson or Meadowlark Lemon? (Even though I feel more akin with Curly).

    “I don’t need to make this a soap opera, or about me.”

    Yeah, that’s what we all say (rimshot)!

    do not neglect his criticism. His criticism of me PERSONALLY is almost entirely throwing back the things i have said about myself.

    Part of the unique rewards of blogging is the degree of candor and expression that is available and willing because of the anonymity accorded by avatar; given that, along with a certain integrity of honesty and candor, it allows for interesting exchanges that would be very hard and impractical to obtain IRL.

    So I sincerely regret using some harrowing personal disclosures you’ve made in previous comments as solely derogatory personal insults in our argument; I refrained in doing as much in previous tiffs between us, but I failed to do as much this time and I regret it.

    “His criticism of my writing though, is essentially motivated by either jealousy or his own failure to comprehend.”

    it’s not jealousy; however, it could be a dab of the latter. In general, I respect the caliber and quality of your writing but don’t seek to emulate it. As I’ve said in earlier feuds between us, I consider your style a sort-of wayward and wide-scoping drunken-bohemian-Irish-bard approach that, to appreciate, requires a certain pre-fascination with said character type.
    And I don’t have that fascination; I respect fire-under-pressure; to me, there’s admiration in someone who has to write a simple 500-word State Fair roundup on a 30-minute deadline, than in someone swinging for the fences by tackling The Meaning of Life every day, hour-after-hour.

    “But according to nikcrit, when white people complain about things, it is whining, but when he complains about those people, with whom he willingly associates, he is to get a pass for it because of his poor put-upon black ass.”

    No, again what instigated my initial volley was Hertic Phi’s self-loathing odes to himself, coupled with his disparaging ‘Congoid’ references. (Which I note in hindsight he is perfectly entitled to).

    Also, so you are maintaining that you friends with white people and their struggle in these times. That is how i read your comment just now. I will take you at your word in that, i guess.

    To the extent this question of yours apes your earlier inquiry about “What does Nikcrit do for white advocacy,” or words to that effect? I don’t know and don’t feel it’s my particular right and /or obligation to do anything for it.

    As I said earlier, I don’t feel like an alien entity to said hypothetical ‘white person’; I feel both biological and personal (quantitative and qualitative) kinship with ‘white people’ —– yet understand and do not theoretically disavow those, white and black, who don’t share that perspective. I think what you’re getting at is “why do i come to these blogs?” And to that, I have a sort-of stock-but-heartfelt response: While I realize racial antipathy is forevermore, at least to some active degree, I believe both racial partisans and not suffer from too much caricaturizing and other unrealistic depcitings of their social ‘other’; that the politically correct social maze we live under ultimately ends up draining the blood, passion and conviction from ALL of us if it’s allowed to linger without varying factions of social dissent.

  98. A cultural shit seems ominous and already well into the works. But what i can’t yet garner is what’s the new zeitgeist?

    I’ll chalk up your typo to a freudian slip, because it does seem like a cultural “shit” is taking place. It’s like these subterranean tectonic plates have been shifting on the internet, and Trump is standing astride the fault lines.

    I would love to see a revival of the American spirit .. the historically unique kind of pioneering dynamism that incorporates the best elements of the European and African soul. Now, I’m an optimist and pragmatist at heart, but from my vantage point, all I see degeneracy ahead. The lower strata of society is indulged in it’s worst self defeating behaviors with a perversely incentivized welfare system, which the middle pays the brunt of. On the upper end is a cosmopolitan globalist class without ties to blood or soil, with a soulless exploitative value system. What’s the way forward? I think about that a lot because I really like America, and so does the rest of the world. I do believe the future of humanity relies on us getting our shit together. I hate to sound so cynical… maybe that’s just part of getting older, or maybe I just need a shift in perspective that will come from an extended time away from this decaying rust belt city.

  99. “I’ll chalk up your typo to a freudian slip”…..

    hahah! I was like, fu-k when i did that. But then, when you think about it, both ‘shit’ and ‘shift’ work in conveying the intended sentiment; e.g., American culture is about to ‘take a shit’ from which something new will be digested and absorbed, with ITS generational waste eventually disspelled.

    a perversely incentivized welfare system, yes.

    “will come from an extended time away from this decaying rust belt city.”

    Still living off the fumes of Motor City?

  100. Nikcrit:
    ” I was annoyed by the juxtaposition of Heretic Phi being so abusive and critical and dismissive toward himself —- yet feeling entitled or just plain inclined to be disparaging toward a ethnic ‘other’, in this case, “Congoids.” Right, wrong or inbetween, his slur seemed sort-of galling given the self-critical context it emanated from”
    The context in both directions is that truth has to be acknowledged by adult men whether it’s uncomfortable or not.

    “Congoid” just refers to the specific subcategory of Negroid that excludes the San who are a seperate evolutionary branch of Negroid. (Actually I think there’s also the… what are they, Bantu or something?) Negroid is a scientifically meaningful term from before Franz Boas when Anthropology was a branch of Biology instead of a bunch of hokey bullshit. Neither are meant to cause butthurt. Racial hypersensitivity causes butthurt, not truth.

    The alt-right should be calling HBD “Actual Anthropology” or “Legitimate Anthropology” to mock the Boasian “Anthropology” taught in our Politically Correct Seminaries as religious drivel.

  101. Phi,, Really? Congoid is a real anthro term? I thought it was a casual slur. So I stand corrected. My casual offense was misinformed & my tiff with elk unnecessary….. Shucks! …..

  102. One often reads that the same behaviors and attitudes that arouse women also gain the respect and admiration of other men. Game, sales, marketing, leadership, it all runs together in the big picture.

    And thinking about this post later on – the advice to ‘believe’ in particular – it strikes me as just as important for high-stakes leadership, and reminiscent of Xenophon’s principle of piety.

  103. Handle, glad you checked out this post. Its a “low key” one so I don’t have it listed on the Top Posts page where visitors tend to go (per my dashboard data), but it’s one of my favorite ones.

  104. PA, it’s a good post and the insight strikes at something quite deep. I definitely can see many reflections of the principle in my own lived experience, as leader, as follower, as husband.

    By the way, I live and work in the DC Metro. If you’ve ever got a moment, I’ll buy first round.

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