Confession: I Like Women

Well yeah, most of us do. My confession comes from a darker place though, in that I have never really felt anger toward women as a whole despite everything I know about their feral nature, my few past failures with the women I desired, and my sober understanding that female hypergamy must to be contained lest we all fall. In love, I’ve been more sinning than sinned-against, which may be a factor in my outlook. A reader asks:

Let me ask an honest question: Am I seriously the only one who grew up hating having hundreds of hot sexy-dressing young girls all decked out in their make-up who I couldn’t touch strutting their asses past me all goddamn day?

Attitude toward women is something that comes from a very personal and subjective place and it affects our worldview profoundly, and it should not be dismissed on the “I’m right, you’re wrong” basis. I’ve learned over time that this difference in attitudes is what causes a lot of disagreements on the Alt-Right, including my own past flamewars on MRA forums.

My own disposition toward women comes from a Beta place on the Vox Day hierarchy in that I feel benevolent toward them but without the Alpha’s or Sigma’s satisfied contempt as catalogued in this list of Donald Trump’s stone-cold truths about women. I understand it, but I don’t viscerally feel that contempt. At most, I respond to their follies with patronizing amusement, and with pity (sometimes pitiless condemnation) when they make irreversible mistakes. My good will towards women also lacks the Delta’s romantic illusions — or anger when those illusions are shattered. And I have never related, whatsoever, or to the Gamma’s deification and the Omega’s rage toward women.

Here is my story about taking the Red Pill on male-female relations, when I finally understood my mistakes as well as my seemingly inexplicable successes:

I went through a spell of despair and anger when the anti-White nature of the modern political system became clear to me more than a decade ago, but nothing of the sort when I came to understand female nature around the same time. In fact, it was more like relief. Even though I was once naïve about women, my own conceptual framework never relied on female altruism or reasonability. I had seen women’s darker side and in fact, finally understanding hypergamy made me more charitable toward them where there earlier was self-directed anger and frustration.

Picture a seventies French movie in which the struggling protagonist has an epiphany and stands there on the rugged hill, the sun drowning in the sea, and he then laughs and laughs as the credits roll. That was me.

Female nature is a wild landscape with its caprices and twisted laws, flashes of sublimity and capacity for self-oblivion, without which it would be uninspiring. The woman’s nature makes passion and man’s very will to live and strive possible. If you strike her hypergamous strings the right way, she really does love you for who you are. The flip side to her infuriatingly childlike whimsy and taste for cruelty is that when you play her right, she will be yours and devoted to you to the end, no matter if you’re a poor man or a prince.

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115 thoughts on “Confession: I Like Women

  1. I learned about racism in our nation when my High School guidance counselor told me, back in 1989, “They don’t give out scholarships to white boys. Maybe you should go to a junior college instead.”

    Women now, I’d never gone in for feminism, as it’s so obviously wrong about everything. Like all of the other victim-ideologies that came out of the 60’s, you can’t blame somebody for problems that you personally created. But women are different in that group; I wouldn’t personally push the button that nukes all whining women. Who’d be left?

    Turns out, with women, if you patronize them, tease them, take nothing that they say seriously and mock them ruthlessly for every mistake… they’ll try harder to please you. So long as you add a little Pull to all of the Push. Reward them when they do what you want them to do, and they’re yours.

    I didn’t learn that till after my second divorce.

  2. I didn’t learn that till after my second divorce.

    Is it better to have love and lost, then to never have loved at all?

    The cliche that maintains that it is (better to have and lost), always struck me as dubitable.

    A longtime ago i was at a party at a friend’s house and trying to get next to a girl, and a “friend” told me later that night how the whole time she was totally making can-you-believe-this-guy faces. And me being the schmuck thus discouraged.

    The of-course punchline is that he ended up with her. Not that i hold a grudge or anything. He has gone on to be successful in life, with a real science degree and a pilot’s license and a jew’s mind on money. But his wife is not goodlooking so there.

  3. His wife is not that same girl from the party wayback.

    She was hot. She had a Polish name and her brother was a track star. Which is one of those second-tier throwback sports. Not at the level of hockey or basketball, or even football or soccer, but on the level of tennis and golf and baseball: second-tier.

    He excelled in the 40 or 60 or whatever it is, that indoor track event that white people do ok at.

    What was your 50-yard dash time, in 6th grade US presidential fitness test? Mine was 6.6 seconds and that was in the top four of my 120-person (60 boy) class, so i qualified for the 400-relay at the end of the year citywide track meet, and our team won, due to the excellence of our anchorman and a to-this-day friend who had a 3.5-standard-deviation 6.2 second 50.

    I was awarded two out of three possible Presidential Fitness medals: I was a great athlete … in elementary school.

    Speaking of those tests, a kid in the class ahead of me in 6th grade, did 36 pullups.

    All that data, from those tests, would be interesting, no?

    They are not still doing those tests, or are they?

  4. Sorry for the off topic. But i remark this because of the outlier effect. The presidential fitness patch requirement was to be in the top ten percent for your age group, in every subtest, which for the sixth grade pull-ups was i think 7 pull-ups, and maybe a couple boys out of 60 did 12 or 14 … and this other kid does 36?

    And same with my friend’s 6.2 second 50. The cutoff for the top ten percent would have been 6.8 seconds or maybe 6.9, and second best is 6.6, and then he gets a 6.2.

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    I have a lot of complaints about women, but what can you say. If you are reading this now, would you not rather be, uh, doing something else?

    I like to put it, as i said on a previous thread, that i am responsible for EXACTLY HALF of why things don’t work out. I could try to be responsible for 100 per cent, but that doesn’t make sense either. Most men don’t pass on their genetics and that is a fact. 40 per cent is the number floating around, for how many do not.

    hundreds of hot sexy-dressing young girls all decked out in their make-up who I couldn’t touch strutting their asses past me all goddamn day?

    Yeah it is frustrating. Women want you to notice them, and to fight over them. That is their genetic imperative. They want to cause as much chaos and trial and tribulation, as they can get away with. They will cause as much chaos as they are allowed to get away with.

    Describing this behavior in their endeavor to cause such chaos might as well be War and Peace.

    But to limit to one observation, and as usual down at the coffee shop, having to do with how they dress. Whether or not you (you, woman!) have a nice ass or not, wearing skin tight yoga pants so that we can make out the contours of your vagina and pubis mons, is not classy.

    Old guys, dogs as it were, often speak of how they “enjoy” such a spectacle. I don’t get that. What is enjoying about it?

    Well i actually i do get it, though. They are glad for the stimulation because it helps remind them. But i am not old as that, so i don’t enjoy, i think it vulgar and crass, but more than that it is in-your-face disrespect.

    And to call it disrespect is i guess the right term, but “respect” is a Big Concept and a manly, and women aren’t under its domain, in the same way. Yes they are disrespecting, but it is a different shade of disrespect.

    Take your vagina away from my face i am trying think about other things, i am trying to appreciate life and without vagina right there in my face it would go more smoothly. And if you insist on putting that vagina right there, all the time, well don’t be surprised if i go back behind the alley and wait for you (as a rhetorical presupposition).

  5. 40 per cent is the number floating around, for how many do not.

    Too much coffee.

    Those piddly ass edits can be pretentious, but in this case it is right at the point.

  6. OT: Obama’s Supreme Court nominee, with the super Protestant name Merrick Brian Garland, is in fact Jewish. Shocking.

    Not OT: I like women too!

  7. I gave up on all this stuff years ago. They say that when you give up on something, or ignore, or put yourself first- that everything comes to you then. It hasn’t, but hey, whatever.

  8. OT: Obama’s Supreme Court nominee, with the super Protestant name Merrick Brian Garland, is in fact Jewish. Shocking.

    I watched today as he was introduced as the nominee. The first thing he did was choke up. Nope … too emotional to be a Supreme Court Justice.

    Obama’s introduction was of course replete with the usual anti-Republican finger wagging we’ve all grown tired of. He never, ever misses an opportunity to throw in partisan jabs in his characteristic pompous professorial style. As president, you are supposed to make an attempt to rise above that. I feel like Obama never figured out that he’s not just president of the Democrats. He really failed to unite this country.

  9. What’s the difference between a white female’s hypergamous desire and the white male’s desire for objective Supremacy? The only real discord is amongst a cabal of whiny losers attempting the pervert the proper order of things. “Hypergamy,” the meme, is the mechanism by which purposeless, demotivated, dispirited and homo-sexualized “white” males attempt to get personally laid through a collectivist non-effort.

    To either be shocked or dismayed by the desire of a white female to “man up” is, in reality, a feigned cognitive dissonance added to the overall manufactured disbelief serving the purpose of shaming “white” females deeper into a place of sexual degeneration. Most of these “white” males cannot conceive that a good portion of these “white” females will have fallen right past them in order to go even lower in the racialist scheme of things.

  10. A good swath of high IQ “white” males suffer from information overload. The keen social engineer recognizes the paralyzing effect of ubiquitous stimulation. That this stimulation finds itself mostly in the form of white female is a rather trivial given . The question is devising a solution at the individual level because this is where the trigger/paralysis due three dimensional stimulation is actually relevant. And it is in recognizing this place of internal battle where one can devise a solution and finally “see” the duplicitous essence of the “hypergamy” meme. It is a meme to steer white females towards sexual degeneracy. And it is working quite spectacularly… I “see” it daily.

  11. Well said, PA.

    Despite (or because) growing up in a family and community of entitled rich bitches, I had some illusions that persisted until my mid-20s when I finally found my way to the Red Pill.

    Sex realism and race realism, I might add, came hand in hand.

    Attaining a brutal, clear-eyed understanding of women’s true nature can be a liberating moment.

  12. I have found over the years that knowing this about women can make us more forgiving of them, for to a certain extent they can’t help their animal nature., and less apt to take them so seriously.

    From an early age I liked girls and they liked me, but I had these sickeningly romantic notions that in hindsight probably held me back. Where did I get these stupid sentimental notions: Family? School? Church? Culture?

    I think the downside of Red Pill thinking is less capacity for love, even as opportunities for bonding and sex increase.

    Today’s young men have no idea how lucky they are to have the Red Pill / Manosphere communities to show them the light on these matters.

  13. Q What is another tell in the revealing of a “white” male liberationist meme masquerading as something anti-zeitgeist, but in reality representing a deeply embedded egalitarianism?

    A. The ubiquitously uniform use of the word “women” to IDENTIFY a diverse array of different female-types.

    Strike two.

  14. Women = animal nature…

    This is radical egalitarianism.

    Woman SHALL BE anti-animal nature OR she just can’t be “woman.”

  15. Tangent but not O.T.: check out this story; just might be a “Neurotic High-Grade Mate of the Decade” candidate here…

    That Suzy Favor-Hamilton story is bizarre… just bizarre.

  16. camlost,
    when you get a chance pls check out the question i ask you within my comment in the last few comments of the ‘How to Prevent Mudsharking’ post that was briefly revived yesterday by a few commenters but is now off the current-queue comment list on the blog’s home page….. I’m curious to get your POV during these us-vs-them ‘mudshark’ debates.

  17. Great example of the most subtle of lingering egalitarianism suffered by those on the alt-rite…

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/03/why-trump-will-crush-hillary.html?m=1

    Notice Scott Adams ubiquitously uniform use of the word “women” when addressing all types of females? Notice his alternate use of men/male when addressing his target audience. And pay special attention to his “angry women, beta male” contrast towards the end. Get that? Women are angry and real men can’t be beta!

    IN REALITY…

    Women are content due their womanhood and any viable white ethnostate needs are large core of beta MEN, ie., not just males or even “alpha males.”

    The above represents the deepest of duplicity in the psychological war.

  18. So here’s my “Confession”.

    Celibate for a decade and a half. Stopped bothering entirely right at the beginning of adulthood.

    It was like I was blindfolded in the woods trying to hit a target at a hundred yards and didn’t even know what direction I was supposed to be facing. It was pointless.

    Figured I’d work on myself until I grew enough to figure out what was wrong with me. Set myself up financially, I figured, then I could worry about the wife and family I had always dreamed of. When I discovered game and realized that I’d been holding out this whole time for something that didn’t exist, I was too pissed off.

    It’s not my fault that I believed my Christian bible-camp counselor when he told me that if I had premarital sex with a girl, that I was screwing another man’s wife. It’s not my fault I believed the djooish hag indoctrinating me with female supremacist garbage in High School that I was a bad person for being sexually attracted to women, and it was evil for me to put them in an awkward position or make them feel uncomfortable or pressured. The debilitating sense of shame i felt when just trying to talk to a girl I was sexually attracted to as if I was a horrible person for wanting something from her for my own benefit was something DONE to me.

    The feminist “argument” made sense to me that boys were hypocrites for wanting to have sex with girls but not respecting girls who gave it up, because I didn’t know that equality was a lie. And as I got older and started to clue that it was the girl’s preference for sexually experienced guys that was the source of this “hypocrisy,” adults and women fell all over themselves to assure me that preselection wasn’t real I was just imagining it.

    How was I supposed to know? There was no one around to tell me the truth. How was I supposed to know all the chances – so many fucking chances – I gave up for sweet teenage pussy trying to be a good person were a cruel joke? How was I supposed to know I was failing a “meta-shit-test” designed to weed me out of the gene pool like evolutionary trash, when I thought I was behaving in a superior and more civilized fashion? Is it really my fault? How the fuck was I supposed to know? There was fucking NOBODY to tell me the truth about anything.

    A few years ago I stumbled upon Roosh’s forum, and things went downhill from there. I responded to learning game truths by adopting the MGTOW label, since I was over a decade celibate anyhow, and investing in dakimakura and onaholes.

    Fuck game. I’m too angry I can’t deal with it.

  19. thordaddy:
    “A. The ubiquitously uniform use of the word “women” to IDENTIFY a diverse array of different female-types…”
    Oh I get it now, after you spoonfed it to us with your last example.

    I’ve commented before on how Liberals like to say “white males” when describing us and they get all squirmy and uncomfortable when you talk about “White men” because it’s offensive to them to acknowledge White masculinity, though their happy to talk about any non-white “men”. Yet they don’t have a “female’s rights” movement. We get to be “males” like we’re animals and not people unless there’s some specific reason not to implicitly dehumanize us.

    You are saying we shouldn’t call human females “women” if they don’t meet our standard of femininity; that they should be called “females” like animals, just like they refer to us “males” unless they are going out of their way to humanize and sexually legitimize us.

    I rejected that at first because in popular parlance that’s what we use the term “lady” for…
    but yeah I see your point.

  20. Suburban_Elk
    “And to call it disrespect is i guess the right term, but “respect” is a Big Concept and a manly, and women aren’t under its domain, in the same way. Yes they are disrespecting, but it is a different shade of disrespect.”
    I came up with a theory in college that it was disrespectful for women to be wearing make-up in class or on the job (barring certain jobs like waitress) or anywhere they are supposed to be functioning as a businessperson or a professional. I wonder if anyone agrees with me about this.

    If you learn about human sexual biology you know that makeup is designed to mimic extremely exaggerated physiological cues to indicate sexual availability; e.g. blushing, reddening and enlargement of the lips, ect. And we won’t even get into high heels. When I learned this I understood why it had such a powerful psychological effect on me. It made a lot of sense when I realized that this was like a sorcery to fuck with my head, to make women appear unnaturally beautiful so that I was uncomfortable and intimidated by women who were my equals or even my inferiors.

    I see it as an aggressive and inappropriate use of power over men that doesn’t belong in an environment where we are supposed to be acting towards each other in an asexual fashion as “equals”. Why do you need to manipulate men sexually if you expect to not be sexually discriminated against?

  21. OK let’s try that again.

    It’s disrespectful for females to be using make-up in an environment where overt sexual behavior is inappropriate, such as a professional or academic environment. Females do not need to sexually manipulate men to their advantage if they are supposed to be our equals and to be judged equally on their merit.

    For females to use artificially generated sexual triggers to control the way men respond to them outside of a casual/personal environment where sexual behavior is appropriate, is a psychological abuse of power over men. It is intimidating and demeaning to us to be manipulated like that.

  22. Kay I’m making too many comments but I need to clarify something for the record.
    I don’t resent attractive women, per se.

    However, an environment where females are free to dress and present in a fashion SPECIFICALLY designed to sexually arouse us, but where we can be persecuted for responding to those stimuli if they are displeased with us even if we behave respectfully, is degrading and dehumanizing. It’s a form of forced compliance. My biological sexual needs do not get to be acknowledged or validated as legitimate, as if I am a human, except on your sufferance and whim. I don’t get my hopes up until you say I can. Well fuck you. You can wipe that shit off your face and put a goddamn sweater on.

    I don’t see how I can abide a society that tolerates this.

  23. There is no end to the amount of misery and unhappiness in the world.

    In America, or Weimerica as it were, an image in presented to us, of how life should be.

    One big happy funtime party.

    But this image that we are presented, is effectively our culture. This culture is described by cranks as shallow and materialistic, youth-oriented, pleasure-seeking, sex-obsessed.

    I think that if our culture were more grounded in reality – say for example like the Greek tragedies (that i have not read) – then perhaps we would not be so unhappy in comparing ourselves to an ideal.

    I wish i could expand on this point, i wish i could be a better writer. There is all this stuff that needs to be said. All this stuff that i need to hear. And no one is talking about it, except to an extent.

    But the theme to expand upon, is the interplay between the larger culture, which might be called mythos, and our own lives. As intelligent adults, such as me and you, we are inclined to think that we can get around that interplay, that we can avoid needing that larger culture with which to frame our own lives. But we can’t, and so we find ourselves as this lone man staring out into the void and being in nothingness.

    Our own lives are not placed into a meaningful perspective, by the shallow culture that we have. This shallow culture is just a drag.

    Now i am repeating, but it is everywhere, and there is no alternative.

    Media criticism has been done to death, by the alternative right.

    We are at war with the jews, whether we like it or not.

  24. Greginaurora –I learned about racism in our nation when my High School guidance counselor told me, back in 1989, “They don’t give out scholarships to white boys. Maybe you should go to a junior college instead.”

    This reminds me of high school as well, 87 or 88. I’m waiting with some friends in line to get movie tickets when a couple of Black punks start making a drama over something and a cop or security kicks them out. As they’re being escorted away one of them yells: “We can’t be here ’cause we Black!” My quick-witted friend shouts back “And I can’t get a scholarship ’cause I’m White!” People in line respond with laughter.

    Elk –What was your 50-yard dash time, in 6th grade US presidential fitness test?

    No idea but I had killer finishing kick in middle-distance events in high school track. My best event was 800 m., around the 2:00 mark. I also once ran a marathon in 3:45; was on pace for 3:15 until hitting the wall at mile 20.

    LBF –Today’s young men have no idea how lucky they are to have the Red Pill / Manosphere communities to show them the light on these matters.

    I’m still ‘shakin mah haid’ over the idiot things I did by listening to anti-advice from supposed dating tips articles. One time in the 90s I sat next to a Swiss au pair on a plane who lived not too far from me and naturally gamed her. But then I sabotaged myself — won’t say how because of my sheer stupidity (nothing wierd or over the top though) — but I’ll say that I was trying to “respect a nice girl.”

    Heretic –When I discovered game and realized that I’d been holding out this whole time for something that didn’t exist, I was too pissed off.

    The French movie metaphor I made in the post really was descriptive of my own response when I figured out that I’d been lied to. Like LBF wrote, it was liberating. In your case it was anger, and I wonder what accounts for the different responses. I was in 33 when I took the Red Pill, which sounds like you were also around that same age when you did.

    Other commenters have given you a so-called badly needed kick in the ass over your defeatism and there is certainly value in that, especially for any lurkers following the thread. But I also accept that once given knowledge, a man will do what he’s gonna do, with or without pep talk. One of my friends calls himself an MGTOW as well.

    –Liberals like to say “white males” when describing us and they get all squirmy and uncomfortable when you talk about “White men” because it’s offensive to them to acknowledge White masculinity

    Lawrence Auster once wrote “white male” in one of his posts around 2004 and I emailed him about that. He emailed me back with a “thanks,” changed his post to “man” and said that he’ll avoid making that error again.

  25. Heretic –However, an environment where females are free to dress and present in a fashion SPECIFICALLY designed to sexually arouse us, but where we can be persecuted for responding to those stimuli if they are displeased with us even if we behave respectfully, is degrading and dehumanizing.

    Since I just mentioned the late Auster, he also wrote something similar. I think he was talking about cleavage though. I see the point but again, it’s a subjective reaction. I like it when they doll themselves up. It’s emasculating to pretend you don’t notice, so I notice in context appropriate ways.

    Elk –In America, or Weimerica as it were, an image in presented to us, of how life should be. // One big happy funtime party.

    Everybody in American image ads looks orgasmic or demented. Camille Paglia venerates advertising art as pagan imagery or something along those lines but I don’t see any vitality or any manner of “terrible beauty” in it. I just see dehumanizing kitsch.

  26. On the balance, i don’t like women.

    What that means though of course, is that i don’t like my interactions with them.

    The classic woman-move, is the vagdenial symbolmove. It goes her grabbing her hemline and pulling it down over her butt as if to cover it, at the EXACT MOMENT you look at her ass.

    One of those stupid human tricks that will play out literally a billion times across the land this very morning. Because there are a 100 million women in America, and each one of them does it ten times per day. At least.

    Go look at some asses, this morning, and see how many times you can inspire it. When you inspire THIS move, that MEANS you are a leering creep, you fucking loser.

    But if you can up your levels, the counterpart move is the ass expose, where she hikes UP her jeans and pantyline so as to give you the butt.

    Consider the sheer amount of mental resources dispatched to this end, being aware of just who is looking: you get some, you don’t, here have some! no not you!

    A successful morning for a girl, is doing the vagdenial symbolmove twice at the coffee shop on the way to work, four times in the corridor, and 35 more during the course of the day.

    (Note to pilfering jews: Stop stealing.)

  27. This behavior can be reduced to an axiom, which i read over at the Englishman Simon Sheppard’s website back before he was convicted and imprisoned for these very and othersuch observations. To paraphrase,

    A man’s worth is determined by how many women he can get.

    A woman’s worth is determined by how many men she can reject.

    Sheppard was a great writer, and it was clear it was intimately familiar with this theme.

    But a woman’s selfworth is determined by the men she can reject, so if she can reject you, that is good for her.

    If a man is a leering creep, he is doing those post-wall fugs a favor by regarding them as possible pain-leavening lays.

    Even those post-wall pigs will jump at the opportunity to one last time deploy the vagdenial symbolmove. She’s still got it!

  28. Creep is a good word.

    It has another meaning, than it’s more common usage to describe wanting men, which other meaning is i think closer to its origins.

    It is the criminal act of “creeping (a place)” – entering and checking out some place on the sly, a boat for instance, a domicile, whatever.

    About five years ago, just up the street from here, i crossed paths on the sidewalk with a nigger wearing a t-shirt in the obnoxious style, with one word on its front, Creepin.

    I tried to give him a hard look, to say i know what that means. And that further, he is gonna get straightened out. I haven’t seen him around since. Typical black underclass transient, enriching us with his diversity.

    Progress and its detritus.

  29. I won’t post the link, but remember when Beck came out with that song Loser? He really “had his finger on the pulse.”

    Beck was a good jew, as evidenced by that song and its lyrics, “the phony gas chambers”. To his credit.

    Interesting how Beck has blond hair and some white looks, like in the way of Bobby D and his legendary blue eyes. Which goes to my point on a previous thread about phenotype. In spite of their best efforts, phenotype can’t really be faked.

  30. More about women trying to look attractive at work or wherever: can some of them help it? If she’s young, pretty, slim and feminine, she can wear an Amish dress and no makeup and I’ll still want to fuck her. That’s why there are places where women simply shouldn’t be allowed, like military units and men’s clubs. At work? Open to discussion. I personally like eye candy.

    About it being emasculating to pretend that you don’t notice she’s hot: I once worked with a STUNNER. Leggy, blonde, late 20s, with that gilded look of a billionaire’s mistress. Nice personality too. One time I’m on an elevator with her and two other chicks and I instantly notice her extremely tall and radioactive-hot-pink high heels. I give her this playful once-over and zero in on her heels, and I tell her “I’m still taller than you.” She giggles and says something pointless about how she bought them blah blah blah.

  31. MGTOW: a rift between them and WN/Game commenters circa 08 was the MGTOW’s anti-racism. In some cases it came across as near-faggy on their part. There was one thread back then where an MGTOW attacked anti-mudsharking commenters by saying “I can’t believe you would deny your fellow man an opportunity to find happiness.”

    In recent years, much of the MRA/MGTOW advocates have seen the light on White advocacy for one reason or another. The Spearhead’s proprietor started going frank on race, particularly Somali immigrants in Pacific NW before he closed shop.

  32. What was funny, at the same time I was taking the Red Pill, was the realization that my parents, family, and family friends all assumed I’d be in jail by now, or worse.

    Living well snd achieving success, as they say, is the best revenge.

  33. “Interesting how Beck has blond hair and some white looks, like in the way of Bobby D and his legendary blue eyes.”

    But Dylan looks quite Jewish, no? A sort-of Ashkenazim phenotype with Sephardic features.

  34. After my divorce I spontaneously morphed into, not an Alpha, but a guy who gets attractive women effortlessly. In fact, the last few have asked me out. I don’t commit to them, ever, and tell them that before the first kiss as a rule, and mostly float around with two or three at a time. They never complain that I won’t commit, they know I’d just tell them that they are just as free as I am so what’s the problem? Find someone who will make you happy, and go with my blessing.

    I’m not a dick to them, I don’t hate or have contempt for them, I don’t make them cry or feel bad, ever. I love them! I don’t care how silly or illogical. I open doors for them, tell them they are pretty, pick up the tab, buy nice things for them and even “validate their feelings”. I send them sweet loving text messages and get back pictures of this week’s lingerie purchases. Because while it’s true that a woman can hate with the heat of a 1000 suns, the flip side of that is a deeply tender sweetness, for the right guy. So be the right guy.

    BUT, I never do any of this until I have had them. Until then they are just like anybody else, and that is the real trick. Now matter how pretty they are, I talk to them like I do the plumber fixing my toilet. So they see right away that there’s no way they can push me around – I’m not hypnotized by them. And I completely cut them off if they shit test, go totally silent until they apologize and ask forgiveness.

    Most importantly, is to fuck them really hard and long. You can’t really go wrong if you do that along with all the rest.

    That’s really all there is to it. No game needed.

  35. And I also meant to say: for this to happen you must let go of any anger you have toward women.

    First of all, they can acutely sense it, and I would bet money that for those of you here who have problems connecting with them, this is the problem, not your “game” or personality or looks or whatever. I had all the same anger, for the same reasons (feminism, leftist indoctrination etc), I get all of that, I’m not trying to slam you for it. But there are plenty of women who do not like feminism and all the anti male vibe from it, deep down they don’t.

    Second of all, it makes it impossible to embark on female contact with a sense of play and fun in mind. You are either girded up for rejection or desperately psyching yourself up. But you can’t dance like that, you get too stiff and wooden and seem nervous and all of that is deadly.

    Third, nobody has any idea who the woman will be that’l spark you up. Repeatedly I’ve fallen for women who were not my “type” at all, but that’s because nobody has a type, just a general preference. If you get out there and play around with them just to see what they are like, one day, I guarantee it, you’ll find yourself with a real gem of a lady.

    It’s all perfectly natural and has worked since the dawn of time. We just have to reclaim what’s ours.

  36. Elk:
    “The classic woman-move, is the vagdenial symbolmove. It goes her grabbing her hemline and pulling it down over her butt as if to cover it, at the EXACT MOMENT you look at her ass.”
    And here I always thought it was a non-verbal shit test as it always draws more attention to her ass than it deters. And it’s always feeble and never covers the crotch.
    “Oh, no, for some reason my ass is exposed in front of perverted men! I’m a “nice girl”, so don’t you look at my ass! Tee hee!”
    What do men who get more pussy than me and Elk have to say about this?

  37. PA:
    ” Like LBF wrote, it was liberating. In your case it was anger, and I wonder what accounts for the different responses.”

    Well I reckon when you said this:

    “In love, I’ve been more sinning than sinned-against, which may be a factor in my outlook

    You were on the right track it think.
    It’s an oversimplification to say it’s based on your previous success with women. Because some of us were lied to about the definition of success in the first place.

    The difference between,
    A) spending your allowance, and then finding out all the stuff you just bought was on sale for half price down the street, and
    B) being swindled out of house and savings to buy the Brooklyn Bridge
    is not just a matter of scale.

    There is a MORAL difference in how badly different men were screwed depending on which lies we did or didn’t fall for. Some of us were “out-smarted”, some of us were “unlucky,” some of us were “betrayed”, some of us were “swindled,” and some of use were were “tyrannized” and “enslaved”.

    If I willingly suffered excruciating lust for years to give up poontang by the truckload, because I wanted to be a good person and because I thought that would entitle me to a chaste wife, what was I? A fucking idiot? A pathetic loser? A laughing stock?

    A piece of livestock that exists to suffer for women’s benefit, like a pig or a cow.

  38. A scene in the novel, I am Charlotte Simmons by Tom Wolfe, when Charlotte gets her cherry bobbed by brown-haired stud Hoyt Thorpe.

    Hoyt doesn’t listen to her protestations. She tells him no numerous times but he will not be denied.

    The scene is done up in signature Wolfe style and spares us no details so we know that Hoyt is hung like a “ballpeen hammer” and that Charlotte has an old-timey “beaver”.

  39. It is a man’s world, and to succeed in it one must have the confidence to take women convincingly.

  40. Most importantly, is to fuck them really hard and long. You can’t really go wrong if you do that along with all the rest.

    Here, here!

    IMO, ALL the rest is dork noise.

  41. Most importantly, is to fuck them really hard and long. You can’t really go wrong if you do that along with all the rest.

    Worked for Josh Duggar.

    He didn’t just sit there holding himself and wasting decades feeling sorry at this plight of being tied down with some some chubby girl and 4 screaming toddlers before he was old enough to vote… he got out there and made it happen!! lol

  42. Heretic: have you not considered the market, at least to get you jump-started? Hearsay has it that Miami and New Jersey are hospitable places for newbs. I personally know nothing about that but I hear things. You are pissed off about certain things and clearly, boning up on Mystery Method is not the right first step forward for you.

    Elk: “The lie that i fell for was no.” – brilliant.

  43. “Sir Barken Hyena” (who possibly might not be full of crap so I’ll just pretend I believe him):
    “I don’t commit to them, ever, and tell them that before the first kiss as a rule, and mostly float around with two or three at a time. They never complain that I won’t commit, they know I’d just tell them that they are just as free as I am so what’s the problem?”

    Ahhh – to be r-selective in an r-selected sexual market. What a joy that must be, to be free of this pesky need to love someone, and bond with them and care for their needs. To graze in the grass, carelessly fornicating with other primates in a state of unrestricted pleasure completely bereft of duty or concern. How envious indeed.

    I’ve tried to rewire my brain to be more r-selective. I’ve been trying to alter my personality and values to understand sex from a different paradigm. I’ve digested the fact that Alphas in nature have no need of K-selective behavior like nurturing behavior or love, and that these things mark me as genetically inferior to the current model of White female whom is completely r-selected.

    I’ve tried to change my perception of vaginas to toys that exist for my pleasure, rather than as sacred vessels for immortality. I’ve tried to understand females as herdlike animals that have almost no sexual agency separate from their base instincts, rather than as caretakers of life with a responsibility for the future. I’ve tried to believe that what alphas and women call “love” as a euphemism for sex really is like war, and that “all’s fair”. I stopped fantasizing about love and duty, and fantasizing about victory and conquest.

    But when the dopamine stops pumping and the rush of oxytocin comes, I hate that fucking shit. I need to care about someone. I have this overwhelming need to nurture a woman and care for her needs like a woman feels a need to do the same for a child. And I can’t make it go away. I can’t become r-selective – it’s not how I was made. Oh God it fucking hurts – to be better than most men and yet to be unable to change the defect in myself that makes me evolutionary offal to be discarded from the gene pool. To know that this mutation that puts me on the trashheap of natural selection was a glorious behavioral adaptation that mad us rise so high above lower primates. And yet, despite how advanced and honorable this behavioral mutation is, now that females have unrestricted choice I’m genetic garbage. I don’t know how I’m supposed to feel about this, it makes me fucking retch.

  44. PA:
    “Heretic: have you not considered the market, at least to get you jump-started?”

    Forgive me, I’m stupid. “The market”? I know what the SMP and MMP are…

    “Hearsay has it that Miami and New Jersey are hospitable places for newbs”
    Relocation to a better location for pussy, if I were to start bothering with it, is impractical. It would be a bigger barrier than making do where I am.

    “clearly, boning up on Mystery Method is not the right first step forward for you.”

    I already have a copy of MM it I haven’t read yet. Most of my academic understanding of Game comes from Tomassi and ROK, which makes me better read on it that 99.98% or so of the male population. I haven’t gotten around to reading Bang or Day Bang yet but I’ve read so much of Roosh’s shit that I’m sure I know most of what’s in it anyway. I’d get Krauser’s Day Game Nitro if I really wanted to dive in.

    One of the most heartbreaking things for me to swallow was Tyler Durden’s “Secret Society” theory. It was really, really hard for me to digest this model because at that point I understood how and why it would work; and it was so fucking revolting to my value system my heart just fucking sank into a state of despondency.

    Anyway, yeah, Attract, Comfort, Seduce. That shit is low-tech, grade school level common knowledge now right? It’s the current year.

    I have a basic understanding of what I’m supposed to do. Which I would have KILLED for 20 years ago. But now I’m so full of rage and hate I can’t do anything with it anyhow.

    So what was it you think is a good first step forward for me? Srsly I don’t get it.

  45. Nickrit:
    ‘“No” meant “yes,” you’re saying?”
    “No” meant, “In our evolutionary past, it wasn’t to my benefit to have sex with a non-Alpha primate who wasn’t powerful enough to take what he wanted from me anyhow, so I need to be spun into a state of feigned helplessness where I can be sexually aroused by the notion that I have no responsibility for my actions; a.k.a. you haven’t pushed my buttons right yet.”

  46. “No” meant, “In our evolutionary past, it wasn’t to my benefit to have sex with a non-Alpha primate who wasn’t powerful enough to take what he wanted from me anyhow, so I need to be spun into a state of feigned helplessness where I can be sexually aroused by the notion that I have no responsibility for my actions; a.k.a. you haven’t pushed my buttons right yet.”

    Haha, well summed.

    Hearsay has it that Miami and New Jersey are hospitable places for newbs

    PA was suggesting a lady of the night, a hooker, a prostitute, a streetwalker.

    What is interesting about that plan, and i thought that this was covered at Return of Kings – is that hookers actually require game.

    And they require the exact same game that non-hookers do. So they can be practice.

    And what is more, hookers are a whole new scene now. The whole “new hooker” is to be more like a regular person and less like a prostitute. Half the prostitutes downtown are going there maybe to prostitute and maybe not. They are just going downtown, and if the right guy propositions them in the right way, well then they have plans for the evening, and if not then it is just another night. They are testing the waters too.

    And as far as practical advice, i can tell you that in this market, you would go Downtown or Uptown, and have 250 dollars and a car and a place to go, and figure about one hundred dollars per hour. And that should land you a 7, who looks passably like a mid-20s college girl.

    But that is all negotiable and you have to have some street smarts.

    Obviously there are downmarket options too. And upmarket options. Apparently for the internet savvy, one does not even have to leave the house – but that has its own risks. If you go out on the street, you can get a picture of who you working with.

  47. The risks involved hardly need be enumerated but.

    First of all it is against the law. And no one wants that stain on their record. The local suburban and small town papers used to list the johns who got busted and then they were marked for life. That was 30 or 40 years ago but not now, though it is still against the law.

    Second, you have to not get rolled. If you are a hokeydokey white guy and dealing with non-whites then that is especially a risk; also i understand that in Russia and Eastern Europe that is part of the game too. However in the scenario that i suggest above, that should be less of a problem. Look for an independent agent who looks like a college girl and make a clean get away in your car, and that risk should be minimized. Realistically though, these days with GPS technology and smart phones, it would be easy for criminals to hone in on wherever you might be. That is a real thing, so don’t pretend.

    Thirdly, the risk of STD. Whatever. I will never use a condom again in my life because condom-sex is not sex. Being circumcised leaves little enough penis feeling as it is.

    Fourth. Inhibitions and badfeelings about going this route. That is its own topic and what can one say. If someone is being driven crazy by no sex, then that might ought weigh out against the badfeelz of shelling out a few hundred bucks. As the joke goes, everyone pays in one way or another.

  48. It was a mistake for me, to interpret the comment of our host, as suggesting of anything illegal.

    I retract my interpretation at 9:07 am.

  49. This quote from Bob Dylan,

    But people’s lives today are filled on so many levels with vice and the trappings of it. Ambition, greed and selfishness all have to do with vice. Sooner or later, you have to see through it or you don’t survive. We don’t see the people that vice destroys. We just see the glamour of it on a daily basis — everywhere we look, from billboard signs to movies, to newspapers, to magazines. We see the destruction of human life and the mockery of it, everywhere we look.

    The part about how we don’t see the downside of it, we just get a glimpse of the glamour, and are so deceived.

    Here is the full interview with AARP.

  50. The link does not work. This problem happened before, in the same way, an href tag did not work right: somehow an extra quotation mark gets in there and messes it up.

    I checked my source code and it is not in error.

    The articles is Bob Dylan: The Uncut Interview.

  51. “And what is more, hookers are a whole new scene now. The whole “new hooker” is to be more like a regular person and less like a prostitute. Half the prostitutes downtown are going there maybe to prostitute and maybe not. They are just going downtown, and if the right guy propositions them in the right way, well then they have plans for the evening, and if not then it is just another night. They are testing the waters too.”

    This is along the lines of how I would interpret the contemporary youth singles scene; prostitution invading the singles scene, moreso than said single-scene inviting ‘it.’

    “And as far as practical advice, i can tell you that in this market, you would go Downtown or Uptown, and have 250 dollars and a car and a place to go, and figure about one hundred dollars per hour. And that should land you a 7, who looks passably like a mid-20s college girl. “

    Hmmmm. Sounds feasible to me.

    But might you have omitted ‘a pocket full o’ contraband’ from the above list?

  52. “It was a mistake for me, to interpret the comment of our host, as suggesting of anything illegal.”

    Nah, no worries; besides, your following comment neatly summed up that dilemma:

    “As the joke goes, everyone pays in one way or another. “

  53. Heretic Phi…

    One thing you must know is that all your “gurus” HAVE NEVER REALLY BEEN in the trenches and, by all accounts, are suffering a 100% mortality rate in genetic perpetuation. Which then would leave any sane white man to ask, “Why do I seek knowledge of how to war in the sexual trenches from those who have never even been there?”

    If all of Roosh’s and Heartiste’s and Forney’s “conquests” are, in fact, just radical female liberationists (100% mortality certainly suggests this) then ALL THE PLAYERS are of same fundamental makeup and there is no real “game.” Ergo, there is no finality. All REAL games end WITH opposing players. It’s how you know you were in the trenches and are no more and who was in there with you and is now not.

    When you say you were “celibate” for the last 15 years, you are lying because your rage tells “us” so. True celibacy takes such a spiritual, intellectual and physical discipline AS TO LEAVE NO ROOM to rage.

    First, reject a de facto homo ethos. Start there mentally.

  54. WTF is “redux”?
    “The risks involved hardly need be enumerated but.”

    Oh, OK.
    No, if I just wanna bust a nut in a human vagina I would think OKcupid or something would be just as easy and less dangerous. I wouldn’t know, I haven’t tried. I suppose maybe I should but I don’t see why.

    “If someone is being driven crazy by no sex, then that might ought weigh out against the badfeelz of shelling out a few hundred bucks.”

    I want to be loved. Meaningless sex is of no value to me as I can masturbate. I do not share your value system of enduring pointless suffering for no reason, (or wait, maybe I do, but in a different way) though I commend you for your own efforts.

    Listen, I thank you all for your patience with my bitching, as I don’t know who else I can take this to. Really, thank you.

    It seems my situation is sufficiently unusual that I guess even a slice of the wisest men aren’t understanding.

    My issue, to clarify, is that you might say I am suffering from a “sunk cost fallacy”. I chose to forego the pursuit of sex with attractive young women throughout the best years of my life to hold out for “true love”, because I wanted the same from a virtuous wife and I didn’t want to be a hypocrite. Since discovering that I was a fucking retard and understanding how the rules have changed, the older value-decayed pussy that I could easily get if I wanted to now doesn’t interest me, as I already spent my youngest and horniest years getting used to going without. If I start chasing old hag pussy now that my libido is half of what it used to be, what was all that sacrifice for? I have so much value invested in it, even if it’s garbage. I was swindled into giving up the best thing in life for an illusion, hence, I don’t want “sex”. I want either what I paid for, or I want vengeance.

    thordaddy:
    “When you say you were “celibate” for the last 15 years, you are lying because your rage tells “us” so. True celibacy takes such a spiritual, intellectual and physical discipline AS TO LEAVE NO ROOM to rage.”

    You would be correct if you are referring to Suburban_Elk’s definition of celibacy which involves no masturbating.
    When I say I haven’t had sex in 1.5 decades, I am presuming that Magic Eyes, Toysheart, Rends, and N.P.G. don’t count. For the first 12 years of delusion I would have been ashamed, but when my eyes were opened I didn’t give a shit anymore. Fuck feminists, I’m not ashamed of my sexual needs anymore, and I don’t understand why I should I be, nor do I understand why I should validate sluts with my time, attention, or money.

  55. Heretic Phi…

    The point is that even the best advice fails with those who lie to themselves. You are making false statements and putting forth contradictory beliefs AND then refusing to tie this “radical autonomy” to what remains an elusive personal solution.

  56. My issue, to clarify, is that you might say I am suffering from a “sunk cost fallacy”.

    Your issue is that you are feeling sorry for yourself.

    You think other people don’t have problems. Get over yourself.

    There is nothing unique in your suffering or the extent of it.

    I do not share your value system of enduring pointless suffering for no reason

    It is not a value system it is life. Get used to it and grow up.

  57. No one wants to hear your complaints. You can get away with complaining ONLY to the extent that it is entertaining.

    If it is just bitterness and tears, well that’s another sad story and life is full of losers.

    Winners fight it out every day.

  58. Elk_redux
    “Fuck off then.”
    What? Dude. Chill.
    “Your issue is that you are feeling sorry for yourself.”
    Um, yeah. But also I’m in a value system limbo and I don’t know the way out. I’m struggling to figure out what my goal should be. I can surmount a problem if I have a plan, but I’m stumped.
    “You think other people don’t have problems. Get over yourself.
    False. Other people have bigger problems than I do. I acknowledge that.
    “It is not a value system it is life.”
    Also false. The discipline to withold from relieving oneself, comes from a value system. Give yourself more credit.

  59. thordaddy:
    “The point is that even the best advice fails with those who lie to themselves.”
    Fine.
    I was afraid of the guilt and humiliation and shame. I justified giving up by telling myself I was holding out for my future wife while I worked on myself. I’m angry at myself for my own cowardice.
    Thank you for calling out my bitch hamster.

    But it’s true that back then, I had hit a wall where I was so clueless I didn’t know where to start. And it’s true that a dozen years later when I found the knowledge to start again, I didn’t know what I should do with it, because I had to readjust my paradigm. And it’s true that several years of pontificating over it hasn’t helped me figure it out.

    “You are making false statements and putting forth contradictory beliefs AND then refusing to tie this “radical autonomy” to what remains an elusive personal solution.”

    Can you please call out my contradictory beliefs? Seriously I need another set of eyes.

    Elk:
    “No one wants to hear your complaints.”
    I know man, I’m sorry.
    But no one I know in life is red pill and I can’t take this shit to some political correctard liberal with a psych degree.
    “Winners fight it out every day.”
    For what? What are you fighting for? I’ll fight. I’ll die. But what for?

  60. The realization that there is nothing out there can be hard to take. No one has any answers.

    Everyone has a need to be part of something.

    White people in this Land have a need to be part of something, and America is no longer it, so it has to be created. Creating this collective identity is by necessity beyond any one person. Be part of that.

    What is tricky though, is that the MODELS for creating a collective identity? themselves do not exist. See what i am saying? Not only does our collective identity not exist, a model along which to create it, is also unknown.

    Such forms for collective identity are called emergent structures and they talk about that stuff in Systems Theory, but what do i know.

    When you get caught between the moon and New York City
    i know it’s crazy, but it’s true
    when you get caught between the moon and New York City
    the best that you can do, the best that you can do
    is fall in Love

    The beautiful Liza Minelli is an example of how the structures that were provided for us no longer work. Falling in love in not the answer. Then again maybe it is. It is all you can really do, finally. But it’s kinda gay.

    And so there we find ourselves, in a gay Dudley Moore movie, in NYC (New York City?!) falling in love with Liza Minelli who is no Aryan princess.

  61. As far as difficulties in getting with women, i feel ya bro.

    I would like to be loved, but that is a position of weakness, and the sexual market place is market and one needs to deal from a position of strength.

    Anybody who needs to be loved is at quite a disadvantage. I don’t know how that gets resolved. It would seem simply that such emotional disposition gets pruned away under these circumstances.

  62. What i find frustrating in this society, is not being taken seriously, as a man, by BMW’s. Big Midwest women. They don’t take me seriously because i have a prettyboy face, and yet i try so hard. Oh isn’t he cute!

    And the more they don’t take me seriously, the harder i try. It has gotten to the point where i can hardly go the grocery. Something about going there is gay. Having to somehow submit to the gayness of buying your food there, from a gay place and dealing with overconfident and MATRONIZING women, who are so eager to assert themselves in your face.

    And the very act of going there and being THERE as instead of doing what needs to be done – which is repel the invaders and secure the perimeter and proceed to have a victory celebration (which includes dancing! yay) – the very act of doing something anything OTHER than that is compromising and turns one into a limpwrist little boy. So what to do now that going to the store to is out.

  63. But these overconfident and MATRONIZING women, them BMW’s, and specifically its effect on unhappy men – is a theme that i would describe. Somehow those BMW’s are in a Position of Power, in this society. And i am not. Somehow they have confidence and status whereas i do not.

    A lot of that is my own personal problems of course. But there is no denying those women are over-the-top MATRONIZING and in-your-face assertive. If i could describe in words … that look from them, that “oh my god who is this guy let’s see if he can back it up” and then they go into this superconfident womanly swagger. And this from big post wall women and they won’t stop.

    … and there is nothing that one can do in response. In the not so distant past, i would occasionally tell them to watch it or words to that effect, and my tone would get away from me, and they would get scared and call on someone to come in and help.

  64. ^^^ This is what happens to a man when he is reduced by not killing his enemies.

    And also please keep in mind, that this is a rhetorical exercise in playacting. Seriously.

    It is to be considered an example of the frustration that a lot of guys who would be men, might feel.

    You can go pump weights, and that helps, but did Anton Chigurh work out?

    No he didn’t. Which is why pumping iron is gay.

  65. People this stuff is getting insane, I’m highly ashamed of the bitchitude I see just reading some of the comments lately. I’m gonna watch some NCAA tourney, go play some poker and then go to the strip club tonight.

    No he didn’t. Which is why pumping iron is gay.

    It has gotten to the point where i can hardly go the grocery. Something about going there is gay. Having to somehow submit to the gayness of buying your food there, from a gay place and dealing with overconfident and MATRONIZING women, who are so eager to assert themselves in your face.

    Elk, with all due respect there’s also something quite gay about a man being too hypersensitive and introspective, especially when it leads them to these sorts of bizarre conclusions. You’ve effectively noted grocery store chicks micro-aggressing and lording it over you, the only thing you left off was going to the Obama admin and demanding a safe space. And self-absorption and excessive concern for what others think of you are also very feminine traits.

    Seriously, Heretic you cannot be serious with this stuff. I typed up something much longer to address your comically stupefied wee-wee paralysis but it’s just a lost cause.

    I’ve decided that you must be trolling all of us, because even Hamlet on 8 speedballs and 12 hotrails couldn’t be as spineless and incapacitated as you.

  66. Hertic phi,
    Yeah, you may regret some of your comments in time; this, even though I and I’m sure many others here can empathize…… my five-cents worth: do the ‘negative transcendene’ gripe thing to the girls ——- not at a man’s forum; once you disdain the pussy a bit it’ll come in droves….. That, I guarantee.

    O.T., a random March-Madness racial observation: this year, atop the college games, i’m making it a point to watch the high-school state matchups, girls and boys games: from that i notice this: the black-majority city based teams in Madison, Milwaukee and Beloit have NAM-majority crowds that indulge repetitive, funk-like on-the-beat game chants and fanfares, as their way of charging up their team.
    Meanwhile, the rural, white teams and their fans are buoyed by war-chant-like cries, in which the notable distinction of their long, ongoing drones or outright ‘cries’ (as in war cries), with a notable LACK of beat or rhythmn, but more the oral, verbal message the point, however primal its linguistic core…..

    And, of course, as Cam would note as well, the style of play between the two teams reflects that difference in audience cheering: the white teams hold the ball longer each possession, and are more lethal in their accurate outside shooting, while the black teams are run and gunm, with quick-but-fewer passes and most of their points coming from drives, e.g. ‘taking it to the hoop,’.——- these young, spirited prep games are ntoable for their purity of energy and innocence, sort-of like adolescent renditions of the white-vs-black, celtics-vs-lakers championship games of the 80s.

  67. “And also please keep in mind, that this is a rhetorical exercise in playacting. Seriously.”

    Duly noted. Still, some of Cam’s above observations stand, IMO.

    Elk, you need some routine, task work, that deploys your talents while somewhat corraling your muse; routine has a way of rewarding itself —— simple pleasures that provide context for more naturally transcending moments. You can’t swing for the fences everytime you step to the plate!

    Or, here’s a maxim I took heed to in my early 30s and it’s worked wonders for me over the years: “TOO MUCH RUMINATION LEADS TO RUIN!”

    (OK, see you at next week’s appointment! lol!!)

  68. I don’t understand what you are supposed to do here on the internet, besides complain.

    That is all that the internet IS, is people complaining. Except for some spergs who like to analyze data.

    All that the “hard ass reactionary right” or whatever you would want to be called, do, is complain about other people, that they are liberal faggots; i say that those other people are not faggots, that instead they are jerks and assholes; so that makes me the limpwrist?

    I don’t think so. Basketball and strip clubs on the other hand. That stuff is 100 per cent passive. And passive is feminine. That is practically a definition of feminine, is watching other people do things.

    Passive entertainment such as that is GAY TO THE EXTREME.

  69. The other thing that should be fairly obvious is that i can joke about myself – does that make YOU uncomfortable?

    Camlost and LBF are a little uncomfortable with these gay jokes.

    Hey it’s alright, i am a little uncomfortable with it too, but consider it a price to pay for the point.

    You can go back to being as serious as you like, no one is stopping you.

    Nor me, for that matter. Spectator sports and strip clubs, though – there is NO excuse for those things. Playing sports and getting prostitutes would be a different ball of wax; that would be life, sort of at least. Yet more true to life, would be combat and procreative sex, respectively.

    Both of which activities, combat and procreative sex – are themes that are expressed – and yes, expressed by describing how their LACK in this life diminishes the quality of said – in my rhetorical examples mocked by Sir Camlost the Great.

    Anyone not liking those rhetorical points might care to address them, rather than be embarrassed like a junior high school kid.

    Camlost, are you seriously disbelieving that people are suffering from not having meaningful activities such as those, the two most challenging and meaningful, sex and war – in their lives? With all due respect – get a clue!

    Of course people are suffering from those things not being in their lives.

    Diminished lives. That is the theme of the postmodern world.

    Thanks for motivating me to elaborate on this, it has been a pleasure-and-a-half.

  70. yeah, I do have a thing for spectator sport —- i even watch baseball games in summer; but i do still hoop it up at the Y with the youngsters.

    However, I fully agree re, strip clubs. Never fell for that folly, even in my dumb and horny 20s

  71. Now i would like to go back to complaining about things.

    Quite simply, it can be summed up thus.

    You can’t complain about other people, if you can’t complain about yourself.

    The other people that YOU ALL like to complain about, is liberals. Now i hate liberals too, except maybe not as much.

    But if you can’t see that everyone is part of the same system, then your complaints are not going to do you, nor anyone else, any good.

    My gripe with the grocery store bitches, is that i am trying to step up and be the man – to put aside the Ranger and become who i was meant to be – and they are having a laugh at it.

    They don’t want to see a man step up. (Now remember, Camlost – this is a rhetorical example so we don’t have to be too embarrassed.)

    So that’s not topical to themes here?! Uh, hello. For the sake of god, include more nuts in your diet.

  72. I do take the criticism though, simply and fairly, as talking about myself too much.

    *****************

    So then; back to complaining about other people.

    Women are a good source to complain about – but apparently we are not supposed to complain about how they affect our lives, except once you have mastered them? and then you can talk about them with bemused mastery? but until then shut the fuck up you embarrassing failure.

    No it’s cool. The virtue of silence. Stoicism. I see your stoic and raise you one.

  73. Camlost
    “Seriously, Heretic you cannot be serious with this stuff. I typed up something much longer to address your comically stupefied wee-wee paralysis but it’s just a lost cause.”

    Do you still have it? I’m coming here in humility looking for feedback. Save it if it’s pointlessly insulting, but harsh is good otherwise I would have seen it already.

    “I’ve decided that you must be trolling all of us, because even Hamlet on 8 speedballs and 12 hotrails couldn’t be as spineless and incapacitated as you.”

    I’m not trolling anyone, and I’m neither spineless or incapacitated. I’m at a crossroads, having figured out I’ve been going around in circles, and I don’t know which is the right way. I’m tired of trudging and I’m not going to move until I’ve figured out where the fuck I’m going. But I haven’t been getting anywhere scratching my head alone either.

    Nickrit
    “Yeah, you may regret some of your comments in time; this, even though I and I’m sure many others here can empathize…… my five-cents worth: do the ‘negative transcendene’ gripe thing to the girls ——- not at a man’s forum;”
    I think it was Jack Donovan who instilled me with the idea that this is wrong. Or it could have been Matt Forney I’m not sure.

    Basically, all women act as a team and take all of their problems to their friends and solve them together as a group. They are never criticized for this, obviously, because why? Their privilege to support one another is never questioned.

    But society and women want men to suffer in silence and have to face everything alone. The social shaming that surrounds us coming to one another to work out our problems is created to isolate us so that we can be more easily controlled. This is why women so aggressively invade male spaces, to isolate us.

  74. “I’ve tried to rewire my brain to be more r-selective. I’ve been trying to alter my personality and values to understand sex from a different paradigm. I’ve digested the fact that Alphas in nature have no need of K-selective behavior like nurturing behavior or love, and that these things mark me as genetically inferior to the current model of White female whom is completely r-selected.”

    Think of it as a religious and philosophical challenge. You are profoundly disappointed because something that you felt was on par with a given of nature, like the sun rising daily, turned out to not be.

    But everything you once thought true is elementally true —– it’s just not interacting ‘true’ to what you presumed was a given; to wit: there’s still primal, passionate sexual urge, and there is also still profound and nurturing love and affection. It’s just that one is not in sacrosanct service to the other.

    That’s disappointing —- profoundly so —— but not the end of the world. It might even be an opportunity; perhaps ‘love’ and/or ‘sex’ may be easier to obtain separately than in tandem, even if the latter was ever true? You still have needs for both impulses and you can perhaps now more easily sate them. I”m sure there’s plenty of cog-dis in thinking they’re separate and not intertwined as one —- but therein lies a way out of a certain frustration.

    I think i even had a similar crisis and solution in my early 20s: I would sate heartburn and/or romantic rejection by sleeping, platonically, with former girlfriends who remained dear to me, while being promiscuous and active with women who were quite detached from me romantically but still fairly easy to conquer; e.g., aka as ‘fucking down.’

    This way, you maintain your relative romantic innocence yet avail yourself to earthly passions during your biolgoically prudent ‘rec-fucking’ years. This approach may work even better for a man in his early 30s like you, as you have more of a past pool to possibly consider communing with.

    For me, things got complicated in my later 20s when hedonism availed itself but produced the exact opposite feelings a naive youth would think it would; rather, introducting a period of nihilism and sexual gout.

    Be grateful for whatever personal uniquities that God grants.

  75. “Big Midwest women. They don’t take me seriously because i have a prettyboy face, and yet i try so hard.”
    So I’m not quite clear on what your challenge is here. If you’re having a problem with lonely, repulsive landbeasts who resent your pretty face and are using their female privilege to push you around and make things difficult as you try to go about your daily business. Or if these are fertile sows that need to be hogtied and branded for a rutting, and they’re kicking too hard.

    Disclaimer, of course I’m no Game master. But what it sounds like to me is the answer for you either way is Amused Mastery. Mockery and teasing. You tip cows from the side.

    Assuming the sale is important, even if it’s not true. but it sounds like it is more than you think. If you really have a “pretty-boy” face, they probably have both resentment and desire towards you if they’re big moose women. You can reliably act on this premise.

    Where you are failing is by letting them know their disrespect is shaking you up inside. It shouldn’t be anyhow. The key is not to look and act defiant and sarcastic, but genuinely soft and sweet – overdoing it a bit so that you’re teasing. You are a smooth, thoughtful assassin like James Bond with a cocked eyebrow, not heroic Barbarian Mel Gibson in his War paint. You are a refined, handsome gentleman and you think these heffers mooing and stomping at you is funny and cute.

    “Why how could I say no to a delicate little thing like you?”

    “Now, now. If you act like more of a lady I might give you a smooch on the cheek.”

    “Oh dear me. Should I have offered a bucket of chicken first, milady?”

    On a woman who is taller than you and a little overweight, look her up and down like you are a superior Alpha drooling over a vulnerable piece of meat and she is a nubile little waif. Smile crookedly and give a soft, seductive, juicy, “Well, helloo there.”

    I would have to see your interactions and I only know the “typed” you. And I have almost only theoretical knowledge and very little experience. But based on what I know and you have explained that’s my best feedback.

  76. Those are some funny lines Heretic.

    **********

    And i want to get in here and say that though i have been disagreeable as of late and at times prior, it’s not like that.

    **********

    The larger theme that sorta fits into the thread, and which i was trying to get at, is the difficulties of being a man in this society as it is today. Somehow the women have the advantage. This is a basic premise of most of the manosphere – but at the same time, it is never dealt with to my satisfaction, that i have seen.

    As far as women having the upperhand, in this here our society in which we find ourselves. The observation that i would contribute, is that it really does come down to how we as white men – and i am not excluding blacks here to jibe anyone – have failed on the big issues of national security.

    In simple archetypal terms, we white men have given up realm and therefore we are not men worthy of respect. We have not protected our space and our women do not respect us. And then proceed from there, as i always like to do, into how that macro trend plays out in our everyday individual lives.

    I am just another white man in America who has to be wary of aggressive and confident Somalis, and my posture is defensive and that stresses me out has effects on my health and outlook and down even onto the level of interaction with grocery clerks.

    Am i blaming “society” for my problems. Yes i am. I want society to help me out, and then i can contribute back to the best of my ability. Society is working against me by making me compete with aggressive youngbuck criminals from around the world. This society sucks.

  77. Nickrit
    “It might even be an opportunity; perhaps ‘love’ and/or ‘sex’ may be easier to obtain separately than in tandem, even if the latter was ever true?”
    Ah huh.
    It’s not that I’m not hearing you or willing to consider what you’re saying.
    But the fact that is starting to sound like feminist propaganda to sell cuckoldry isn’t just a coincidence.

    The thing about love is that it can’t be one-sided. And that’s the kicker; modern women don’t love men. They don’t think they owe anything back or should give of themselves. For example, they think they are doing men a favor with sex even when they only give it up when they want to.

    I can go volunteer to push an old granny around the block from her nursing home and get a peck on the cheek and she’ll love me. But that doesn’t fulfill the need that instinct evolved for. Maybe a little but it’s not enough. Nor does a horde of cats fulfill the need a woman’s motherly instinct evolved for. It evolved to benefit my own reproduction, and superimposing my unmet biological needs on a false function doesn’t work. It can’t because I know what it’s for and believe it’s real purpose is righteous.

  78. “Society is working against me by making me compete with aggressive youngbuck criminals from around the world. This society sucks.”

    Yesterdays news. The system is the enemy. The question is how do we work around it.

  79. “But that doesn’t fulfill the need that instinct evolved for. Maybe a little but it’s not enough.”,

    I wasn’t proposing my idea made for a totally fulfilling answer to your dilemma; rather a piecemeal approach that perhaps could approximate a solution —– an avenue that could possibly temporarily bring some relief WHILE ALSO LEADING INTO DIRECTIONS THAT COULD EVENTUALLY BRING REAL FULFILLMENT(which may or may not may require that you rebuild your initial ideal of fulfillment).

    It’s just that in some of your laments you sound so convinced and thus fatalistic; leave some room in your disappointment for divine or even just mortal intervention to occur.

  80. I know it’s yesterday’s news. I am slow, you guys are young.

    A woman will only love you if she needs you.

    What might a youngbuck Chechan or Afghan think of our notion of love. What might an Israeli jew think of it, or an Arab. What do the higher Asians think of it.

    They think of love in more practical and economic terms.

    Is there really any other kind. Romantic love is probably a white thing that works when white culture is in its ascendant and aspirational phase, which is not now.

    ******************

    You know the score. Western women don’t need men economically, but they still want the thrill.

    If someone cannot give them the thrill, then that person would be advised to look for practically minded women. If there are not enough of those women around, then that is not much of a solution.

  81. “A woman will only love you if she needs you.”
    Ah, Briffault’s law. Yes. Fuck.
    “Western women don’t need men economically, but they still want the thrill.”
    Well if you are trying to outdo Congoids in posturing and strutting, that’s like them trying to outdo you in Math and Literature. Minimize your strengths maximize your weaknesses. What law of Poon is that again?

  82. Nickrit
    “rather a piecemeal approach that perhaps could approximate a solution —– an avenue that could possibly temporarily bring some relief… “

    Okay, when you said this:

    “I would sate heartburn and/or romantic rejection by sleeping, platonically, with former girlfriends who remained dear to me, while being promiscuous and active with women who were quite detached from me romantically…”

    You lost me. I have uh, no such thing like this, and it doesn’t even make sense to me. How do you platonically sleep with someone? How does that differ from being “promiscuous?”

    You had three tiers o’ bitches, huh? You’d comfort yourself from rejection by the top tier in cuddling up to the second tier and ride the third tier for sport. I guess they say that does sate the longing for love.

    Maybe that’s more useful than I thought. Just go out there and fuck holes and I won’t feel a craving for “love” anymore.

  83. Maybe that’s more useful than I thought. Just go out there and fuck holes and I won’t feel a craving for “love” anymore.

    I’m sure you know this already, but romantic love is a dumbass, modern American idea created by Hallmark or someone else in the sixties to sell BS products. No decent civilization was ever based on the concept, because it didn’t exist. Seriously.

    They don’t want to see a man step up. (Now remember, Camlost – this is a rhetorical example so we don’t have to be too embarrassed.)

    Sure thing, babyface. I bet you’re a real killer at parties with these riveting tales of your exceedingly manly power struggles against the lardass, name tag wearing, oppressive bitches washing the fruit in the produce aisle. My bad for missing the punchline. This sort of “rhetoric” has the alt-right ready to cross over into the mainstream, but don’t let me kill your budding standup career considering your obvious comedic talents…

    the white teams hold the ball longer each possession, and are more lethal in their accurate outside shooting, while the black teams are run and gunm,

    Uhhhh, you’re really simplistic on this, Nik. Nobody “runs” in college basketball anymore, not even the blackest teams that Georgetown or Kentucky can muster. The average scores are going down, that’s why the NCAA just reduced the shot clock to 30 seconds this year – it’s an attempt to speed up the game and add some creativity as well as more possessions. Yale actually got back in the game against Duke today using a full court press, which you cannot execute succesfully if you’re looking at too much of a gap in size or athletic ability.

    And defenses are quite sophisticated now, with very detailed scouting reports on players as well as endless drilling on proper defensive rotations, boxouts, even the way that defenders shift their feet or arms in a zone is dictated by the scheme. When Purdue got upset in round 1 it was because Little Rock had a specific plan to goad certain Purdue starters into taking a higher volume of shots, and it worked. And as it stands now college teams are waaaay overcoached on the offensive end too, which stifles playmaking and reduces scoring.

    The NCAA is following the NBA, which has been scaling back on the amount of hand-checking, bumping and holding that it allows and the net result is rising scores and a more free-flowing game. And the NBA has found that this is great for viewership and revenue, especially the amount of new NBA fans tuning into highlights on social media from Europe and China. These rules changes are what allows a team like Golden State to win the NBA title playing a 6-5, 225 pound guy at center (Draymond Green). In the 90’s they woulda just slammed him and Steph Curry to the floor a few times until they started actually missing a few shots.

    BTW, the big 10 sucks. lol

  84. “I’m sure you know this already, but romantic love is a dumbass, modern American idea created by Hallmark or someone else in the sixties to sell BS products. No decent civilization was ever based on the concept, because it didn’t exist. Seriously. “
    Between Shakespeare and Dotsoevsky, the evidence shows it did.

    It’s not in the Bible. What modern Christians try to pretend was romantic love in the bible is a helluva stretch. I love the story of Lot’s own daughters getting him drunk and having a threesome with their dad. That shit makes me hot.

    From what I know of ancient Greek and Roman literature, they didn’t have romance except for pederasty which was romantic to them. You just ruled and fucked bitches and used them for breeding and whooped their asses when they acted up.

    I know very little of Norse literature, but from what I do know I’m pretty sure they didn’t have that.

    So the earliest I know of is Shakespeare…

    Anyway, I, and other K-selected men, have this powerful paternal instinct to care for a lady that is young enough and ready to breed me lotsa chilluns analogous to the instinct she should have to care for said spawn. And it causes me pain to have it unfulfilled. I guess a lot of guys don’t have this or it is sufficiently weak that they are able to ignore it, but I have it and it’s very strong. I’m almost certain it’s primal: biological not learned, and that it’s a newer behavioral adaptation. And when modern women detect it they are sexually repulsed by it. Because even though it gives a huge evolutionary survival advantage in a K-selected environment, we are in an r-selected environment.

  85. Don’t worry Camlost – there will always be room for your sports fandom here in the altright.

    Everyone who wants to participate is included, in this venue.

  86. Sports fandom is an easy ticket to identity.

    It appeals to lots of regular people, and who wants to be a snob. I could probably do with following the local sports scene so as to get along better, so hey what do i know.

    But on the other hand it IS pretty gay. You are watching other people do things. That is the defining feature of sports fandom. It is passive.

  87. Camlost, have you ever written a comment that has gotten a laugh?

    You do a lot of lol’s, but all you do is type them, and they don’t seem sincere.

    I think your analysis of a lot of things, brings up angles that i would not have seen – but really, have you ever made a joke, that is other than derisive. Derision is weak, but perhaps that is your ingrained disposition. But as far as laughs, you ain’t got shit.

  88. And Camlost, if you will simply point out a comment that you have made that was good for a laugh, i will stand corrected.

    But i bet you can’t.

    Or in the alternative, make a joke now.

    But you can’t. All you will do is come back with derision, because that is your MO. It was worked for you in life (apparently), and that is what you do.

    It is easy to look down on everyone, when you are in Atlanta, i guess?

  89. “Uhhhh, you’re really simplistic on this, Nik. Nobody “runs” in college basketball anymore, not even the blackest teams that Georgetown or Kentucky can muster. The average scores are going down, that’s why the NCAA just reduced the shot clock to 30 seconds this year – it’s an attempt to speed up the game and add some creativity as well as more possessions.”

    Thanks for re-iterating my point, but do please read more carefully: if you noticed, i was talking about PREP, aka ‘HIGH-SCHOOL’ team tournament play, and I went out of my way to describe that old-school white-vs-black offensive style, even comparing such lore to the 80s CELTICS-VS-LAKERS championship-series matchups.That vintage offensive point/counterpart that featured a neat racial corollary still prevails at the prep level.

    Nostalgia was the POINT, not the reason for some oversight.

    (Besides, you know me well enough by now that i always post an O.T. sports-related topic during March Madness and the NFL playoffs; you would too if you weren’t unfortunate enough to live withing the Hawks/Falcons demo. lol!!)

  90. p.s.@ camlost:

    RE: The Big-Ten sucks

    True, perhaps —– but tonight at 7:40 CST Xavier gets upset…

    elk: it’s not the passiveness, it’s the opp to indulge DETAILED REGIONALISM. And it’s harmless if it doesn’t get excessive.

    I mean, fuck all that 24/7 earnestness.

    THAT is humorless.

  91. As it is Camlost himself who suggested that he arbitrate the funny (see upthread), i request his qualifications.

    One comment ever anywhere, except that gay Lion blog. Or one joke now. Take a swing, kid!

    As it stands, he is a humorless SOB.

  92. So the earliest I know of is Shakespeare…

    Yes, romantic love is mentioned in Shakespeare and renaissance sonnets (Wyatt, Surry, Dunn and some other Italians I can’t remember), but it was a very specific situation – a male courtier falls in love with a female also in the court, but that love is unattainable since both are already married. Thus, it became very poetic for Shakespeare to talk glowingly of his “dark lady” because they could never be together – she was his muse, essentially.

    But other than that the idea of romantic love is pretty recent, AFAIK. Before that time marriage (and sex) were literally a legal contract. Only westerners since 1900 dreamed up the idea of “love” between a man and woman.

  93. Thanks for re-iterating my point, but do please read more carefully: if you noticed, i was talking about PREP, aka ‘HIGH-SCHOOL’ team tournament play, and I went out of my way to describe that old-school white-vs-black offensive style, even comparing such lore to the 80s CELTICS-VS-LAKERS championship-series matchups.That vintage offensive point/counterpart that featured a neat racial corollary still prevails at the prep level.

    Ok, I stand corrected, I completely missed that were talking about prep, especially in the Midwest where there’s surely not too many blacks at high schools outside of inner cities (as compared to the South) In that sector of the country styles do matter and can vary greatly at the level of tournaments or state playoffs.

    But you gotta admit that the Big 10 is kinda sucking in the post-season lately, starting with Alabama vs MSU in football and now Purdue and MSU in basketball. It’s kind of a building trend since 2000 with the ACC dominating basketball and the SEC dominating football.

    But even Lakers vs Celtics hinged on one thing – the death of Len Bias. He was an athletic wing that could give the Celtics transition baskets, tempo and the ability to guard the James Worthys and Dominiques of the day. It was a major coup for the Celtics to work their way up to the #2 draft pick and select him, it would’ve changed the face of NBA history had he not passed away.

    It is easy to look down on everyone, when you are in Atlanta, i guess?

    One comment ever anywhere, except that gay Lion blog. Or one joke now. Take a swing, kid!

    Look, player. Not sure what you mean by any of this, but I will explain it this way. Just because I criticized some things you said (and you say a whole lot here) doesn’t mean that I look down on you so no need to be defensive and get yourself all bent out of the frame – in my opinion you’re an excellent writer and you’ve got some great ideas so that’s what’s important, no more need be said. And if we’re supporting the same candidate and the same nascent movement then I don’t see what bearing my location has on anything.

  94. True, perhaps —– but tonight at 7:40 CST Xavier gets upset…

    I wouldn’t consider Wisconsin beating the Mouseketeeers an upset at all. Looks like some people must think that the Badgers will win because the betting drove the line from them at 6.5 underdog to 4.5 underdog currently at most of the sports books.

    Oh, and Frank Kaminsky is holding his own in Charlotte and improving slowly. I’m surprised because getting drafted by Michael Jordan is normally a death sentence for any NBA player’s budding career.

  95. Yeah, i’ll be watching, though I don’t see UW getting past Xavier; it’ll be a very pleasant surprise….. truth be told, i’m still pissed over last year’s final —– fukin’ Duke of all teams, winning the title game with conspiratorial-level help from the refs; that fucking team would need a NCAA investigation—– if, of course, it wasn’t the NCAA who was greasing the skids for their poster college team every year….. they gave ’em a walk to the final and then at least a half-dozen outrageous calls in the final six minutes to seal the win.

    And here we are a year later —- but sans two first-round NBA picks.

    I still want a rematch!

  96. “…..especially in the Midwest where there’s surely not too many blacks at high schools outside of inner cities (as compared to the South) In that sector of the country styles do matter and can vary greatly at the level of tournaments or state playoffs.”

    Well, you did say (‘compared to the south’) and I bet the contrast indeed is not as pronounced there. But you still might be surprised at how many blacks are playing in rural Wisconsin prep leagues ——- places like Appleton, Eau Claire, Neenah and Ripon; sometimes it’s a case of the high-schools there becoming b-ball powerhouses and they actually bring in city kids to live there and be in the district so they could play.

    However, overall it is still quite white in Wis once you take Milwaukee, Madison, Green Bay and Beloit out of the equation; there was a time when once you got north of major rustbelt cities such as Milwaukee and the Twin Cities, you’d see nary a black face for months at a time, though plenty of Native Americans……….hey elk, let’s have a toast for the Big Ten tonight!

    (quick mea culpa to our blog host; back on-topic now; sorry for the brief tangent here…..)

  97. quick mea culpa

    No worries. I like the interesting detours and only ask that comments stay on topic under a new post on its first day.

  98. camlost: “I wouldn’t consider Wisconsin beating the Mouseketeeers an upset at all.”

    Well, elk may claim you’re a humorless SOB, but tonight you’re also a prophet……. yipppeeee! My a.m. is the toast of the ESPN highlight reels tonight!

  99. However, overall it is still quite white in Wis once you take Milwaukee, Madison, Green Bay and Beloit out of the equation; there was a time when once you got north of major rustbelt cities such as Milwaukee and the Twin Cities, you’d see nary a black face for months at a time, though plenty of Native Americans

    Yeah, I’ve been to rural Wisconsin for a wedding once, it looks like The Shire. In one weekend I think I gained 10 pounds stopping at every rural grocery and trying the myriad types of cheese-stuffed sausage and kielbasa.

    The only time I’ve lived outside of the south was when my job sent me to the Kansas side of Kansas City for 6 months once, it was quite a nice place. If it wasn’t so damn cold I could see myself living there.

    And even the Northside of Chicago is about the whitest place I’ve ever seen in my life. Seriously. Any NASCAR race down south has way more blacks than than the area surrounding the Cubs game I saw last season. At Wrigley even the janitors and concessions people were white. Lots of young hot white women were at the bars on Addison but none of them seemed to actually go to the game. I’m guessing they were all post-college transplants from other areas in the midwest.

  100. “And even the Northside of Chicago is about the whitest place I’ve ever seen in my life. Seriously. Any NASCAR race down south has way more blacks than than the area surrounding the Cubs game I saw last season. At Wrigley even the janitors and concessions people were white. Lots of young hot white women were at the bars on Addison but none of them seemed to actually go to the game. I’m guessing they were all post-college transplants from other areas in the midwest.”

    it’s not nearly as white as what you anecdotally experienced. I mean, Wrigleyville, Lakeview, the Gold Coast and Lincoln Park are indeed the sort-of white, yuppie, hipster-to-bourgeois districts, what I’d imagine ‘Bucktown’ in Atlanta or Deep Ellum in Dallas to be —– but there are plenty of blacks in the mix in those places; i can’t believe you went to a Cubs game and that it was so absolutely absent of blacks, though blacks do support much more the White Sox.

    There are even small black neighborhoods on the North side, like up by Rogers Park….. which isn’t too far from Evanston, where Northwestern is —– and that is a white, white-ish district.

    Either way, I think of the North Side of Chicago being more for younger hipsters; more bars, clubs and other stuff. But even when i was solidly in that demo, i preferred heading south; Hyde Park, Bronzeville, Kenwood——i’d take those areas any day over the sorta commercialized white hipster ghettos on the north side….i’ve always liked to live a bit off the beaten path, even if i’d spend a lot of down time ON that well-trodden path. I once heard someone else who was a rare visitor to Chicago claim that there are few blacks on the North Side; but that’s not really true —- just so compared to the overwhelming amount on the South and West sides. Overall, Chicago is a very black city.

  101. it’s not nearly as white as what you anecdotally experienced. I mean, Wrigleyville, Lakeview, the Gold Coast and Lincoln Park are indeed the sort-of white, yuppie, hipster-to-bourgeois districts, what I’d imagine ‘Bucktown’ in Atlanta or Deep Ellum in Dallas to be

    Yeah, I couldn’t see you liking life down here much. Even our crown jewel of Buckhead is still quite suburban by definition, it’s just a bunch of crude, low-slung shopping centers smushed together, no parallel/street parking and where automobile-dependent residents never walk to anything and live in single family homes in cul-de-sacs. Atlanta is generally defined by single family homes and subdivisions that have one entrance and exit. If you like true Chicago-style walkability, access to heavy rail and real city life then Atlanta is generally not for you, with the exception of a small number of neighborhoods like Va Highlands, Midtown or Downtown.

    The entire city limits population of Atlanta proper is only around 450K of the 5.5M+ here in the metro area. Atlanta really shouldn’t be considered a “city” by MW, Western or NE standards, to be honest. It’s a difficult concept for outsiders to understand. When people talk about how the Atlanta business community has the best conservative/liberal and black/white cooperation around it’s because Atlanta mayors MUST cooperate with other regional leaders, and the governor’s office – they don’t have great scope of power like Rahm Emmanuel or Bill DiBlasio.

    I liked the people in Kansas City an awful lot, I found them to be more genuine than what I’m accustomed to, and also found them to be much more sane in their personal life – you don’t know how many rural friends I know that have a late model Cherokee, new mustang and bass boat in the front yard but live in a double wide trailer with the screen door off hinges and leaning up against the side of the house. I know that’s a stereotype but that’s what makes it true.

    But as far as cities go, I’d guess that even Skokie or Evanston or Oak Brook still have higher population density than the most “citified” areas of Atlanta. Something like 40% of Atlanta city limits consists of trees – and by this I don’t mean parks, just TREES and empty, vegetation-filled dead space in between lots that weren’t cut square due to the difficult terrain of being in a foothills-ish area with lots of granite, hills and natural gulleys. Outside of Denver, Atlanta is the highest elevated major city in the US I believe (1500 feet) but in the pre-1950 days it was simply much easy to build outwards than it was to form a natural city street grid. (and Atlanta has NO street grid or arterial roads so that’s why traffic is so bad, along with long commutes and low density)

    Upon going to the Cubs game I was a little shocked at how pleasant the crowd was, I had been expecting some heavy heckling of the type that you’d see with the maniacal fans in NY or Boston. But it never happened, looking around I could see the crowd was too upscale for that. So naturally I got things started in my area and had everyone laughing poking fun at the balls and strikes calls of the umpire. A lot of over 35+ Southern people like myself are Cubs fans, because in the old days of cable (before digital and satellite) the early basic cable packages had scant few channels, but always seemed to include WGN for whatever reason.

    The reason I was there was for training for the software company I was working for then, but I also investigated the possibility of moving there since there was an opening in our downtown Chicago office, in the 2 Prudential Bldg. But it’s just too cold for me, and I like being able to carry my pistol too much. And while there I couldn’t get any of my co-workers to hang out with me too long after hours, they were too engrossed with Tinder to look up from their devices. I imagine that those bar districts in North Chicago work very are ideally suited for such an app.

    But it was great to finally catch a Cubs game, Wrigley certainly lived up to the hype. I did like eating Garrett’s popcorn and Giordano’s pizza for 4 days, the Chicago style pizza I’d had before that was quite inferior. But in Wrigleyville I wasn’t accosted by even a single black panhandler, trinket sellers or ticket scalper… and I also saw white janitors, concessionaires and security guards – that just doesn’t happen between NC and Texas, since working-class whites are simply NOT urban in the Deep South.

    I’m sure the experience at Comiskey would’ve been different.

  102. Heretic Phi:

    Regarding your comment on mine:
    “Ahhh – to be r-selective in an r-selected sexual market. What a joy that must be, to be free of this pesky need to love someone, and bond with them and care for their needs. To graze in the grass, carelessly fornicating with other primates in a state of unrestricted pleasure completely bereft of duty or concern. How envious indeed.”

    I was married 27 years and raised 3 kids to adulthood, three great red pill kids 😉

    Which means: I have already had that kind of love, and now have the love of, and for my kids. That’s fulfillment enough.

    Now as for my current lifestyle, as I said, I love women, and I love the women I see. But not like you mean the word. These are not fuckbuddies but intimate partners. I just don’t own them and they don’t own me. They themselves have also been through through long relationships and child-rearing. This makes us very different people with different needs than you probably have.

    Sir Barken

  103. “But in Wrigleyville I wasn’t accosted by even a single black panhandler, trinket sellers or ticket scalper…”

    Something is seriously off in that statement; perhaps you had unwittingly slipped into a IRL ‘Twilight Zone” episode?

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