Pope Francis “Squares” the Circle of Globalization

Reader MGE forwarded today’s L’osservatore Romano article in Italian, featuring the Pope’s statements on globalization. MGE introduces the article:

I have provided a link to a translation of an Italian article about the pontiff’s visit with a group of French Christians. His statements are bit shocking as he seems to drop quite a bit of red pill real talk that could resemble a discussion on this blog, though of course with a more conciliatory tone.

Its English translation is HERE.  Here is an excerpt, emphasis added:

“There’s something that bothers me,” the Pope said. “Of course, globalization unites us and thus has positive aspects. But I think there are good and less good globalization. The less good can be represented by a sphere: every person is equal distance from the center. This first scheme separates man from himself, the uniformizza and eventually prevents him to express himself freely. The best globalization would be quite a polyhedron. All are united, but every people, every nation, retains its identity, its culture, its wealth. The stakes for me is this good globalization, which allows us to keep what defines us. This second vision of globalization allows to unite people while preserving their uniqueness, which favors dialogue, mutual understanding.”

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“The only continent that can bring some unity to the world is Europe,” the Pope added. “China has perhaps a more ancient culture, more profound. But only Europe has a vocation of universality and of service. ” Francis returns then on the theme of his speech in Strasbourg, on 25 November 2014, when he compared Europe to a grandmother a little ‘tired. “But here is the mother became a grandmother” sorridecon a hint of irony. I think of the biblical stories, the old Sarah who laughs when he learns that gets pregnant. The question may seem strange, but I can not not do it. It’s too late? Grandma can once again become a young mother? “A head of state I have already asked this question,” replies the Pope. “Yes, it can. But under certain conditions. Spain and Italy have a birth rate close to zero. France gets along better because he built a family policy that encourages the birth. Being a mother means having children. ” But the renewal is not only quantitative. “If Europe wants to rejuvenate, he must rediscover their cultural roots. Of all the Western countries, Europe has the stronger and deeper roots. Through colonization, these roots have even reached the new world. But forgetting its own history, Europe weakens. It is then that risks becoming an empty place.”

If of interest to readers, I am a Roman Catholic, though one who observes contemporary popes with a guarded eye for evidence of the Church’s compromises with liberalism. I am also wary of Vatican’s statements on globalization, given a pervious Pope’s endorsements of immigration in excess of small-scale emergency humanitarian hospitality, or another Pope’s critical statements on Islam, for example, followed by a backtracking on his words. And very recently, Pope Francis’ own statements in favor of defacto open borders.

Nonetheless, the Pope’s polyhedron metaphor is remarkable, in that it reconciles Catholic universalism of unity in Christ with particularism of cultures, nations, and races. My own similarly principled objection to the mixing of distinct peoples is rooted in an understanding that the breaking down of social boundaries degrades man and woman to their lowest common denominator—spiritually, culturally, physically. I touched on this idea in my post about John Lennon’s song “Imagine,” the most anti-human song ever written.

There is a lot more from Pope Francis in the article, not all of it good, but his model of the circle and the polyhedron is what I found fascinating, in that it seems to hint toward a new acceptance of nationalism as a key element in human affairs.

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50 thoughts on “Pope Francis “Squares” the Circle of Globalization

  1. The most anti-human song.

    I have always hated John Lennon as a singer and a person. “Imagine” always gave me the creeps and friends who liked it became a bit suspect to me. My guess is that liking that song is a good predictor of mental illness.

    Possibly, these are the same people that crave unconditional love. “Imagine” no one judges you and, therefore, you can do an depraved shit you want.

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  3. watereater: “This is the outcome of “Imagine”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrJz9Dh5MsM
    All is equal, nothing is good or bad, nothing is beautiful or ugly.”

    That garbage is definitely bad and ugly.

    At first I thought it was a parody. Funny stuff. How lovely, to see the idiotic ridiculousness of the baby boomer error blasting down so upon their heads. This shit is on digital; I hope they know that people will still be laughing at them in seven generations.

  4. If you reject objective Supremacy, ie., Perfection, then you are only left with “universal equality,” ie., total redundancy. The paradigmatic division is between white men of God-ordained free will and human-like “parasites” operating as suboptimal A.I. The substantive division is between white Supremacists and “white” anti-white Supremacists… Believers in Perfection versus believers in self-annihilation per General Entropy. The mass of human-like parasitic suboptimal A.I. serves as self-fulfilling dystopian prophecy for those that thoroughly reject objective Supremacy.

  5. PA: “If of interest to readers, I am a Roman Catholic,”
    I have complete respect for followers of all traditional Europid forms of Christianity, and hope and wish for them to revive and endure, as such an integral part of our heritage. So long as they continue to tolerate dissenting opinions and unbelievers, and they don’t use their religion as a platform to push White Genocide (a small number do). Indeed, I am glad to have been raised Evangelical as a child, it was good for me even if I rejected it in the end.
    My pseudonym is directed at the false religion of Political Correctness, for which I feel in my heart I have been tasked with laying waste.
    ” though one who observes contemporary popes with a guarded eye for evidence of the Church’s compromises with liberalism.”
    Though I’ve no right to judge your Religion’s choice, I much liked the last one better. This one seems to be turning against shitlibbery at a carefully calculated time, certainly not because the has anything in his sack.

    Indeed, God has had to change his opinions on a lot of things to appease progressives, especially feminists, in the last half century. (Plagiarized from Dalrock)

  6. thordaddy:
    “If you reject objective Supremacy, ie., Perfection, then you are only left with “universal equality,” ie., total redundancy.”
    Does not compute. I deny both perfection and equality as unattainable ideals.

    Oh, wait. I see, those ideals are diametrically opposed. Maybe you’re starting to make a bit more sense.

  7. PA….

    Only a small minority of white minds can make substantive difference between Catholic “universalism” and “universal equality.” AND INSTEAD, that small minority of high IQ “white” males make these “things” EQUAL and act just so under the banner of “alt-rite.”

  8. Thordaddy, traditional Christian universalism tells us “we don’t have to live like animals.” Liberalism tells us “live like animals.” One requires separation, the other demands amalgamation.

  9. PA…

    I don’t disagree. But this is not the belief of the alt-rite. The alt-rite maintains that Catholic “universalism” equals Liberalism’s “universal equality.”

  10. Heretic Phi…

    Neither objective Supremacy nor equality are “things” attainable in the sense of possessing. This is the wrong frame. Rather, Perfection and Total Redundancy are the conceptual totality of Reality with all ensuing chaos due a certain genetic profile RESISTING the imposition of Total Redundancy, ie., a truly “universal equality,” over and above that which must be the “backdrop” giving the entire “painting” any discernible meaning at all. In other words, there is no painting without first the perfect paiinting and that which signifies the perfect painting is that painting consisting of no redudant paint strokes.

  11. Heretic Phi….

    There is “white supremacy” which equals “white degeneracy” by way of liberationist conception… Jewish conception… Radical “black” conception… Jihadist conception… Homodyke conception.

    And there is white Supremacy which equals white Supremacy… White man’s truest concept of Perfection.

    The domination of the former over the latter LAY SQUARELY AT THE FEET of high IQ “white” males WHO have chosen self-annihilation and rejected objective (white) Supremacy.

    These “brothers” must be converted, exiled or eradicated.

  12. PA…

    Are you a sedevacantist? Mrs. Wood has taken to the legitimacy of this position due the character of “Pope” Francis.

  13. PA…

    It is also the claim of the Catholic Church that Protestantism is Liberation from Catholic Truth per se…

    BUT…

    Modernism seems to validate and legitimate “by faith alone” only to be countered by a simple assertion of Catholic Church incorruptibility. Yet, “we” wS see that corruption in the Catholic Church through and through. So where do “we” go to find Absolute Truth if not in Reality herself and with utmost faith that such Absolute Truth can be gleaned by the sentient and healthy-minded white man? Do you deny this possibility?

  14. Are you a sedevacantist?

    Not entirely. John Paul II’s piety and holiness were genuine. As a man he was mistaken on some things though.

  15. My guess is that liking that song is a good predictor of mental illness.

    Any thoughts on Peter Paul and Mary?

  16. “All are united, but every people, every nation, retains its identity, its culture, its wealth.”

    He may have said this, but I’d bet good money that he doesn’t mean it for Western countries. Nigeria stays Nigeria. Malaysia stays Malaysia. Bolivia stays Bolivia. Everyone goes to the West, and the West shares its wealth.

  17. “All are united, but every people, every nation, retains its identity, its culture, its wealth.”

    Well, if any reporter asks the Pope if France or Italy should retain their national culture he’d gladly give you a quick and direct “yes!!”. But in the same breath he’s already criticized France’s burqa ban and he’s been yammering non-stop about how European countries should be required to allow in as many needy immigrants as possible… because the dirt in France and Italy is magic and people are 100% fungible, of course.

    When you don’t believe in HBD it never occurs to you that every culture is largely an expression of that people’s specific underlying genetics. And genes are also strongly tied to a country’s values – the industriousness of Germans or the law-abidingness of Japanese just can’t be duplicated by people whose propagation wasn’t guided by the same sort of evolutionary and social pressures over a long period of time.

    The fall of the Berlin Wall was actually the collapse of Western Patriarchy.

  18. I don’t trust this pope one bit, just as I don’t trust or expect anything pro-White from any establishment figure. And yet with general discontent running so high and the entire anti-racist narrative being held with frayed duct tape at this point, a pope’s approving musings on the abstractions of national integrity is one of those moments that helps push the liberal narrative past the tipping point toward its collapse.

  19. a pope’s approving musings on the abstractions of national integrity is one of those moments that helps push the liberal narrative past the tipping point toward its collapse.

    Yeah, I reckon. There’s certainly worse statements he could’ve made. But when Benedict XVI criticized France’s burqa ban I found such talk to be extremely ominous for Europe’s future even though no one but me and the Stormfront crowd seemed to care…. because we know that 15 years from now the French media will be running articles showing the huge education and income “gap” between native and Muslim women, and we all know that the blame will be put squarely on “racism.”

    And don’t forget who else railed endlessly against France’s legislation aimed at forcing assimilation on immigrants – Osama Bin Laden.

    And these recent words from the Pope also remind me of how Bernie Sanders has historically talked quite a bit about protecting wages, the nation-state and “border integrity” but we all know that in office he’d just keep caving in to the screech of the far left on the immigration question. Liberalism is the political expression of the feminine pysche – always claiming to want X result, but struggling to objectively peer through the mist of emotion to see the logical steps involved in getting there, and lacking the backbone and mental fortitude it takes to make the necessary hard decisions if the result could hurt someone’s feelings or wants along the way.

  20. All it takes to transform Catholic universalism into Liberal’s “universal equality” is deracination. And the process of deracination is most potently propagated by the relentless imposition of radical sexual autonomy… Radical sexual autonomy in its “purest” form is homo-sexuality where homo=same=EXACT SAME (total equality) = SELF… The “right” to “love” thyself. Liberalism equals homo-sexual “nature,” ie., the self-annihilating “nature.” This is the Catholic faith gone homo and self-annihilating right before our eyes. It is now the operational protocol of the Catholic Church to save the least worthy and most unrepentant and reject the most fervent and faithful in what shall be seen as a liberation of the Catholic Church from its very self.

    Does this then validate and legitimate by faith alone? And repudiate the Catholic charge of “liberating” from Catholic universalism?

  21. No question about that, nobody in any establishment organizations going to turn on liberalism. Like you say, even the few clear-sighted individuals lack the courage to follow through on their dissent, however mild. But I welcome any these kinds of flirtations with anti-liberal or anti-globalist heresy because they expose the establishment’s dawning realization that their faith (liberalism) has failed spectacularly. An establishment that believes in itself is damn-near invincible, but for one whose leaders doubt their very foundational axioms, it’s the beginning of its inevitable end, one way or another. And once it goes, it no longer matters what they think abut the burqa ban.

  22. But I welcome any these kinds of flirtations with anti-liberal or anti-globalist heresy because they expose the establishment’s dawning realization that their faith (liberalism) has failed spectacularly.

    Yes, I see your point. But I wonder if the establishment’s full recognition of its failure can only come after the West sees the inevitably huge drops in standard of living that we are destined to see. Modern liberals just can’t see that their political program can only work at the high economic noontide of only the wealthy, stable country – when our clueless HNIC Barry Obama went to Kenya and lectured them on gay rights he was shocked, shocked, shocked at the reception to his talk – the Prime Minister immediately rebuked him from one podium away and polls showed that 90%+ of the population there gave him the finger on that.

    Thordaddy – I don’t know WTF just happened, but I understood your entire last post and I definitely agree. LESS CAPS and italics and your ideas will be more easily accessible. Just talk right down to earth in a language that everybody here can easily understand.

  23. Camlost…

    HBD is an observation.

    The true schism lies between those who believe this effect a product of “evolution” and those who believe man’s possesses God-ordained free will and HBD is the effect. And it is the belief of the HBDer that white man has no God-ordained free will. Ergo, “you” “do” everything unwillingly. Double ergo, “you” are forced upon… At all times. Including that which “you” “wrote” above. “You” were forced to “write” the above unwillingly. This reality is the HBD reality as product of “evolution.” “You” possess no choice “in the matter.”

  24. JFC, I spoke too soon on understanding you. Anyway, I gotta get off this computer and get some crap done before the Connor McGregor fight tonight, tune in to that if you want to see some “annihilation.”

  25. Where the ethnic Europeans get it right is recognizing the “white race” as a tumultuous social construct ROOTED through ethnic lines. Where the European ethnics get it wrong is denying the capability of the white race coalescing around desire for objective Supremacy and thus requiring a subordination of ethnic identity to racial DESTINY.

  26. Camlost…

    IF you author HBD into the Narrative THEN you are denying that white man can CHOOSE to self-annihilate. And you DENY him this choice because you must maintain the “truth” of “evolution.” But “evolution” is false. “White man” has chosen self-annihilation and the evidence is everywhere. Luckily, this means he possesses God-ordained free will and is able to stand above and outside “evolution” if he desires to do so. Now, if he would only use this knowledge to strive towards Supremacy? As solution to descent into degeneracy. Regenerate minds should be the tendency. Ascendancy is a white man’s focus.

  27. Camlost…

    If white man cannot choose to self-annihilate and “he” is, in fact, self-annihilating… GAME OVER. And it’s not really a paradox at all.

  28. and get some crap done before the Connor McGregor fight tonight, tune in to that if you want to see some “annihilation.”

    that fight tonight? There’s your proof about the demise of contemporary western civilization; back when ali was still winning heavyweight crowns, the no-holds-barred barbarics of the UFC would’ve been inconceivable as competitive-fighting norm. But now its champs are bigger names than those heavyweights of lore…….. that said, i’m going to a bar party tonight that’s loose-but-main purpose is to broadcast the fight.

  29. There’s your proof about the demise of contemporary western civilization; back when ali was still winning heavyweight crowns, the no-holds-barred barbarics of the UFC would’ve been inconceivable as competitive-fighting norm.

    Are you not entertained? It’s just bread and circuses for the new millenium I guess. But gotta watch Conor McGregor for the glory of my father’s people, even though his a lil mouthy for my taste. 🙂

    And you’re exactly right. In the early days of UFC they couldn’t find sponsors, and couldn’t get permission to fight outside of venues in Las Vegas. (which will do anything for a buck) Charlotte and Birmingham were still turning them down for big matches even up till about 15 years ago, IIRC and for a long time UFC would end up in places like Dothan, Alabama or Akron, OH.. Even to this day I think the newspapers in some major liberal places (SF is one) still refuse to cover UFC in their sports section, and I don’t think they cover Nascar either.

    But Dana White did a great job of marketing, and slowly softening the image of the UFC by calling off more fights before too much blood health risk, separating fighters during long standoffs locked up on the mat, or by changing rules to eliminate clawing, eye gouging, groin striking, kneeing people on the ground, etc. Almost any dirty tactic is still ok in Asia or Brazil. Also, demographic changes helped as well, Latin Americas love, love, love any sort of fighting. And fighting gyms starting to open across the USA started a fan base, too. Now Dana White can even count Reebok and Bass Pro Shops as sponsors.

    And his endless promotion of his female fights made him more palatable to the media, too. He gives them top billing, the NBA surely doesn’t do that for the ratings-challenged WNBA.

    And, no, I don’t fancy myself as any sort of fighter and never have. Hands too slow and reach too short.

  30. thordaddy:
    “Where the ethnic Europeans get it right is recognizing the “white race” as a tumultuous social construct ROOTED through ethnic lines. Where the European ethnics get it wrong is denying the capability of the white race coalescing around desire for objective Supremacy and thus requiring a subordination of ethnic identity to racial DESTINY.”
    Thordaddy I don’t know what happened, but I actually understood your entire post and I completely agree…

    If, that is, I interpret “objective Supremacy” the way I like it, which is my concept of the Ubermensch.
    I like to think that the “uber” should be more like “over” than “above”, as in “over” the mountain. It’s a journey, a path; not a position or a permanent state.
    A DESTINY to evolve to become greater that oneself, for your children to be greater than yourself, that our people may eventually become gods. That we might ascend to the heavens to be with the creator, if one is Christian.

    I deny, however, a timeless state of objective superiority or supremacy over the brown races. As they are thriving and we are dying, the evidence dictates otherwise. And arrogance blinds us to our own failings, and fails to humble us sufficiently as to how far we have to go.

  31. …”But Dana White did a great job of marketing, …”

    By my distant and half-attentive lights, they were smart in tying in this new-millenium fight marketing with the ascendance of video games and more specifically, video game characters; that is a strong intra-market demo IMO….. the older h.s. absolutely love that bullshit; they know all the fighters names, their personal trials and tribulations, the whole folklore; I jsut hold back in my pronouncements ‘cuz i never paid too close attention to modern fight matches nor video game and vid characters….. but i know it’s huge, becuz i was always staving off requests to write about that shite. I feared my core distinterest and tendency toward character-study would show and disinterest the target readership, which, btw, is the first time i had to deal with a prominent emerging demo that was clearly much younger than me.

    UFC is essentially prole feed.

    I’m inclined to thnk and feel the same —– but i was surprised to see just how vast that stuff appeals to youth ACROSS socio-economic scale.

    Trust that it’s not just the ‘hood and the trailer park that’s enamored.

    I’m going to that bar party broadcasting the fight sheerly for tag-along purposes; but in fact, that itself backs up its claims; tis bar caters to 21-35 demo, and its biggest crowds have been ufc fight parties; they have contests where the females dress up like the femme ufc stars, etc.

    Along those lines, Cam’s noting the savvy marketing to females and hyping up female fights? I’d say that’s a clever way to appear culturally ‘progressive’ yet all the while really just sating that LCD base appetite we acknowledge, too.

  32. Modern liberals just can’t see that their political program can only work at the high economic noontide of only the wealthy, stable country – when our clueless HNIC Barry Obama went to Kenya and lectured them on gay rights he was shocked, shocked, shocked at the reception to his talk – the Prime Minister immediately rebuked him from one podium away and polls showed that 90%+ of the population there gave him the finger on that.

    That’s one of my biggest political dreads; that blue-pill ethos is causing real damage because they REALLY can’t see the folly on certain hard-but-true realities. RE. your above comment; it triggered in me a memory of a time you and I back at Guy White ventured whether or not Obama was capable of finding core HBD premise feasible; you heartedly said no, but i didn’t concur and suggested he could —- or, at least realized that different groups required different ethos and explanation in order to even fundamentally understand certain things and move forward.

    I still can’t believe that he would really be naive enough to think that a tribal, village-oriented people would understand and CONVINCINGLY FEEL the hypothetical analytics and aesthetics of homosexual rights. For my part, I care about and love my black and white heritage and don’t see aggregate differences as a threat to that priority —– Africans differences are real, but that does not mean they’re not human, or justifies their being exploited or partitioned or anything of the sort.
    But it does mean that if powerful leaders and other higher forces don’t acknowledge as much and literally follow through on a course of blind biological egalitarianism, they could cause real harm to both Africans and other ‘developing world’ inhabitants as well as to more industrial-vs-primitive human societies…..

    It really is a crisis of spirit and imagination that drives the discord; the fallacious equivalence of ‘industrial’ with ‘superior.’

  33. There is no shortage of white MEN who are assisting mudsharking between white women and colored men. i.e. white men who wing for colored men to get with white women :

  34. By my distant and half-attentive lights, they were smart in tying in this new-millenium fight marketing with the ascendance of video games and more specifically, video game characters; that is a strong intra-market demo IMO

    That’s 100% correct – UFC’s ability to translate into video games very well was also a strong part of its ascent, and Dana White realized that early. Another factor was the UFC is very YouTube-friendly due to its bursts of quick activity that look great reposted on social media, vine, etc. When the NBA went into a 1990’s doldrum after the retirement of the Bird/Magic/Jordan troika it didn’t see a revival until the rise of Social Media and its corresponding explosion in video consumption Internationally, since the NBA’s best plays also translate very well into a 7-second video clip. Watching Floyd Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins or Joe Calzaghe take advantage of small edges and win a highly technical 9-round decision somewhat quietly doesn’t translate as well to the our new quick “videobite” culture.

  35. RE. your above comment; it triggered in me a memory of a time you and I back at Guy White ventured whether or not Obama was capable of finding core HBD premise feasible; you heartedly said no

    Well, it looks like you were right, and I was wrong. You’re not aware of Steve Sailer’s report on Obama telling a group of runners that their body type made them “born” to be distance runners? One Oregon championship cross-country runner recounts this conversation with Obama:

    “You have a gift,” Obama said. “You were born with a body that was meant to run long distances, more than the average human.”

    I was taken aback. Right away I knew what I wanted to say in response … but dare I risk embarrassing my brother and disagree with Mr. Obama? I started by thanking the President, and then I couldn’t help myself – I added that my performance in the sport is actually a result of hard work, motivation and support from my community.

    This was not the answer the President wanted to hear.

    “No, no,” he said, “Your body is able to flush out lactic acid better than the average person – running is what you were born to do.”

    Original source here:

    http://gotracktownusa.com/inside_track/2015/01/alexi-pappas-president-said/

    Obama believes in HBD, but like all liberals his politics show an underlying belief that evolution stopped at the neck.

  36. I still can’t believe that he would really be naive enough to think that a tribal, village-oriented people would understand and CONVINCINGLY FEEL the hypothetical analytics and aesthetics of homosexual rights.

    Well, the funniest thing is that if Barry Obama had any sense he’d know that blacks don’t even support gay marriage here in the USA. Of all the country’s ethnic groups they’ve historically shown the most strident opposition to gay marriage anytime it’s been a stand-alone option on a referendum anywhere in the USA. When prop 8 failed in California polls showed the overwhelming opposition from blacks and Hispanics, with whites right at a 50/50 split.

    Even after Obama’s two administrations they still consistently vote “NO” at about a 10-15% higher proportion than whites. But, those margins are closing so he’s influencing black voters on the issue very slowly…

  37. Of course Obama “believes” in HBD. He denies white man’s God-ordained free will as a matter of “faith.”

  38. The falsity of both Obama’s position (no will to perfection) versus the young “black” boy’s stance (all will, no genetics) ULTIMATELY serves the zeitgeist in either manner.

  39. I deny, however, a timeless state of objective superiority or supremacy over the brown races. As they are thriving and we are dying, the evidence dictates otherwise. And arrogance blinds us to our own failings, and fails to humble us sufficiently as to how far we have to go.

    But… Do you deny even the possibility… The possibility of a superior race of men? You cannot possibly deny such a possibility, can you? The brown races DENY even your thoughts of objective Supremacy. The brown races are fervently and fiendishly facilitating in the criminalization of your mere thoughts of Perfection in what is a completely broke-open political process. And no race of “men” can survive with this ethos at the very center of their collective “heart.” In fact, the brown races are only “thriving” per the base metric of “survival and reproduction.” From a civilization perspective, the brown races are a mass of perpetuating self-annihilators. The last race to assimilate into this milieu is the white race and all trends say “we” will not be perpetuating self-annihilators. “We” have, collectively, CHOSEN Final Liberation, ie., total annihilation. From here, only the remnants of white Supremacy must carry on.

  40. Nonetheless, the Pope’s polyhedron metaphor is remarkable, in that it reconciles Catholic universalism of unity in Christ with particularism of cultures, nations, and races.

    I agree though it’s very much in line with traditional Jesuit social teaching.

    What is the secular progressive’s ultimate vision for humanity? I’d venture that it would like something like this:

  41. @MGE,
    Bravo! That’s very funny…

    Thanks that show was pretty funny early on.. only watched a couple seasons. I especially liked Chevy Chase playing the hapless retiree returning to college trying to fit in with the “cool kids” as he earnestly adopts the PC lingo. Ken Jeong, who plays the Spanish professor, is a fantastic comedic actor, and is also a physician as I’ve come to find out.

    I still can’t believe that he would really be naive enough to think that a tribal, village-oriented people would understand and CONVINCINGLY FEEL the hypothetical analytics and aesthetics of homosexual rights.

    Agree with all the above comment and what Calmest said too.
    I think it’s is similar to other mental illnesses in that there are biological factors, perhaps some combination of genetic, epigenetic and the prenatal hormonal environment, that may predispose one to homosexuality, but there are environmental factors that tip the balance. Obviously, the environmental influences are much harder to quantify, so the exact cause may be completely unknown, especially when you take into account for the varying forms of human sexuality throughout the ages and in different societies. But a society that probably lacks many of the environmental stimuli that may invoke homosexuality in those predisposed, it is unfair to impose that upon them.

    All that said – I don’t think they should be imprisoned or executed as is the case in some African countries. I didn’t know about Obama’s plea for gay rights in Kenya until Camlost brought it up so I googled it and found many articles that basically concluded that it had the exact opposite effect that was intended. In fact I kinda waited to post a comment on this because I wanted to ask the opinion of a coworker who just so happens to be gay and Kenyan, an older gentleman, who told me if you were a homosexual in Kenya you simply married like everyone else and just did your business on the side, and that was the arrangement people would turn a blind eye to.

  42. WARNING: Graphic Content to Follow

    It should be obvious that encouraging homosexuals is a bad idea, but not only do we encourage them, we elect them president.

    The Gay Nigger in Charge – yo! GNC in the House! – our Great and Glorious Leader has arrived!

    Ten years ago or so when Obama popped onto the scene, if someone were to say that he is gay – that would have seemed to be a claim too far, a stretch.

    But now it seems pretty obvious that he is gay. Whatever that means. It might be worth a thousand words on what it means. Greg Cochran who is a Big Man of Science, says that homosexuality is a virus. I don’t know but i regard homosex as a developmental disorder.

    A lot of guys get nonplussed with smelly vagina. And they can’t get it up. And then in the background these eager homosexuals standing in line waiting to suck them off and plus they have this dank dirty secret called the erogenous anus. And people get addicted to the easy pleasure of gay buttsex and blowjobs.

    Does a virus play into that. Perhaps, at the level of being nonplussed by the vagina. Something about that fishy smell that is meant to inspire the ram, leaves a man wanting and he doesn’t have the motivation to overcome his problems and his resistance is weak and the next thing you know it’s a prolapsed rectum.

    But back to our gay president. Seriously. Picture him and his “wife” Michelle having sex. You know she is helping him out, all the way.

    About sex, one of the themes that doesn’t get talked about because in a sane society is doesn’t need addressing because everyone is doing the best they can and making accommodations to human failure and frailty, is the helping hand of the female partner.

    How many guys will admit that they need, and might could use more than often occasionally, some assistance in inserting the penis and penetrating the vagina. Men kind of get divided into those who can dominate the sex dance, and those who need a leading partner and a safe place to work on getting enough blood into the shaft so that the business of lovemaking can begin in earnest.

    Back in the good old days of 1965, how often did this topic come up in Dear Abby and Ann Landers. You know damn well that it did, and that it was dealt with ever so … what. Ever so what. They can not help but mock it, but on the other hand, the mockery is the thing that is exactly counterindicated.

    One of the things to being a man, is realizing that when that happens, it is not entirely on you. That maybe if the woman were sexier, and that your mating dance were more inspiring, there wouldn’t be a problem.

  43. ^^^ That is not meant as excessive vulgarity, for its own sake.

    The topic matter would require it.

    It is a GAY president. What is gay really about? – see above.

  44. I stand by that comment, and hope it doesn’t transgress, and would simply make some piddly ass corrections,

    because everyone is doing the best they he can

    so that the business of lovemaking can begin in earnest proceed

  45. As a starting point for the cultural context of where we are now, one could do worse, than Dear Abby and or Ann Landers (what exactly was the difference? – and consider how back in the day that question was NOT a joke) on that topic.

    I mean jesus christ, could one come up with a BETTER starting point, for where we are now,

    Dear Abby –

    Everything would seem to be going so well. My husband “Marty” has a good job and we have three children and a house in a neighborhood that we like.

    But there is one thing and it is hard to talk about, and in fact i don’t know that i can even say it, without much reluctance and misgiving, but i feel that our marriage is important enough that we could use your advice, and i also know that i am not alone in this most personal of problems.

    And here is where it gets delicate.

    Marty has problems in the bedroom. Quite simply, his performance is inadequate. I have been patient with him. I know how stressful is his job at the office, and he is tired in the evenings. But quite simply i am frustrated and at a loss as to what to do.

    It is tempting to make fun of this “problem” but as women we know that that is exactly what not to do!

    I have gone to the department store and talked with the helpful ladies there, and gotten their best products and advice, – but to not avail.

    At this point i am ready to throw in the towel. If we did not have these beautiful children, and were not committed, heavens only knows what i might be capable of.

    So all options considered, please help save our marriage. What can i do?

    Desperately awaiting your advice, and in marriage forlorn,
    Helen

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