The Faces of Humiliation

The men’s faces, that is. Their eruptions of joy are the catharsis of redressing the humiliation of having watched their women cavort with enemy occupant’s men.

France, 1945:

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(Image credits: Carl Mydans/Time Life/Getty; rarehistoricalphotos.com; Critical Past, and Pinterest)

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134 thoughts on “The Faces of Humiliation

  1. That Wynette video is a real cultural line of demarcation; I mean, i countenance and debate and i think truly respect if not abide by classic paleo-con views on romance and committment —- yet, i admit it, I snicker when I see that video; it’s just soooo 1965 JC Penney’s in its cultural coding and overlay.

    According to George Jones’ biography “I Lived to Tell it All,” Ms. Wynette didn’t exactly live up to her signature-song’s credo; (some hilarious tales of domestic strife in that particular bio)

  2. Loss of hair = loss of femininity. Impure. Debauched.

    The short haircuts of modern women is unconscious guilt.

  3. The women in the photos, were they allowed to be forgiven, as their hair grew back and their appearance returned to normal?

    Most of the people in the photos, the men and women, are in pretty rough shape. That all was just after the war. Those photos must be timestamped.

    The women themselves are not very good looking, even considering the circumstances. One or two exceptions – the woman in the second photo is very beautiful. Her looks are illumined, saintly, classical … something out of a painting. Other than her, they are not lookers.

    Perhaps the right punishment for modern day mudsharkery?

    I don’t think that such punishment would be appropriate at all. Once their hair grows back, the women in the photos are presumably allowed to return to society.

    Also, were not their transgressions under duress? Can that be said about white women in this day and age?

    White women today are under duress, but it is not so explicit as with those French women during the war.

    White advocates want to make the case of how their women ARE under duress. That point requires a lot of elaboration, and is crucial to the whole shebang.

    Another difference between the women in the photos, and white women going with blacks today, is that the French women were doing it with their closely related white neighbors.

    I don’t know if telegony is real or not, but i think that it used to be taken seriously, and then it was brushed off as bunk science, but now is being re-evaluated.

  4. “it’s just soooo 1965 JC Penney’s in its cultural coding and overlay.”

    I’d swap it for what we have now in a second, Pal. I can only hope that you live long enough to hear what your grandchildren have to say about your music and fashion choices…

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  6. It’s an ancient, deep rooted truth that a woman’s hair = her beauty. In Islamic societies the woman’s hair is covered because it signifies constraint on her sexuality. But some Westerners don’t realize that in agricultural areas of the Islamic World women don’t wear the full head covering (they would pass out, it’s too much to ask) and so it then becomes a symbol of luxury that women who wear the veil have enough income that they don’t have to labor. (kinda like the way that chubbiness in renaissance European art was a symbol of wealth)

    I think only a small number of Vichy French collaborators were tried officially and executed publicly. Marshall Petain’s sentence was commuted to life in prison. But thousands more were executed immediately by local committees, or marked for scorn for decades, I don’t know if just shagging a German guy merited that for French women.

    And one of the things that Bin Laden kept harping on in his videos was France’s unfriendliness to the Islamic head covering on women. (which they subsequently legislated against in 2010) ISIS has been constantly referring to France as the “center of all perversion and iniquity” lately because they restrain the head covering for Muslim women there. And France’s leaders are STUPID enough to keep letting in more Muslims.

  7. I’d swap it for what we have now in a second, Pal.

    Hey, you’re conversing with someone who’s been listening all winter to Duke Ellington and Count Basie records from the 40s and 50s —— and I had yet to be born in ’65!

  8. “Hey, you’re conversing with someone who’s been listening all winter to Duke Ellington and Count Basie records from the 40s and 50’s”

    Can’t argue with that, but I was alive in 1965, and, trust me, you would have loved JC Penney’s then. Real department stores with real clothes, not like the Chinese shit they sell now…

  9. “Their eruptions of joy are the catharsis of redressing the humiliation of having watched their women cavort with enemy occupant’s men.”

    I disagree with the premise and the whole ritual involved with the transgression.
    First, I presume I understand the feelings of humiliation and desperate opportunism among the French men and women respectively. But then perhaps let the hair-cutting shaming ritual take place within and among them, no outside perspective needed.

    But to then offer a photo essay and a deconstruction, as has been the case in many chronicles of WWII, is cheap indulgence and classically abusive; I feel the women’s actions should stand alone and signify; the men didn’t ‘own’ the women and werent’ ‘their women” —– yet, the woman’s cheap opportunism is mark and shame in itself and perhaps should cause them to be shunned by their own intra-national community. Isn’t that enough?

    If not, I think the question becomes: when does the payback end? The tagging-loyalty game is sort-of like the ethnic grievance game: everyone’s technically ‘justified’ in their outrage, so that’s why we see this endless regress of racial score-settling taking place in society today and ironically many at blogs like these are disgusted by it.

    To wit: My paternal grandfather dug combat trenches in WWII in Italy, but upon returning stateside and traveling from Kentucky to Illinois was Jim Crowed and sent to the back of the train, here in the country he risked his life for.

    So, should he might have some genuine and justified white male resentment —– so, would that justify him, say, reveling in the humiliation of white male cuckold porn because of the racially encoded indignities put upon him during WWII?

    No, is the answer i’m rhetorically calling for, of course. But If you agree, then I would contend it would be hard for you to make a principled agreement with thie shaming of the WWII but not my hypothetical cucking, because the principle involved —– twice-and-more-removed shaming and ‘schadenfreudeistic’ reveling, is one and the same.

  10. I hope and pray we have the guts to do the same (or worse) to White women who turn collaborators, whether they be mudsharks or pretty European girls welcoming and cavorting with Afro-Muslim rapefugees. Most of them have no idea what they’re in for. When the pendulum swings back, it swings back hard.

  11. So, should he might have some genuine and justified white male resentment —– so, would that justify him, say, reveling in the humiliation of white male cuckold porn because of the racially encoded indignities put upon him during WWII?

    It seems to me that Bill Cosby’s “activities” were probably powered by similar revenge motives on his part. Yes, he’s a horndog and all that but sex isn’t that hard to come by from black women for celebrity black males looking for their fun — he was clearly acting out on some heavy inner resentments.

  12. The penalty for mudsharking could start with publicly shearing the strays, but additional punishment should be considered by those in charge. Perhaps involuntary sterilization, names, photos and DOBs on a public registry, maybe a marking of some sort seared into the flesh with a branding iron.

  13. “reveling in the humiliation of white male cuckold porn because of the racially encoded indignities put upon him during WWII?”

    If he was like my father, also a WWII Vet, he was a better man than that. Besides, no one treated your father like a traitor, because he wasn’t one. He was a black man who lived in a society that believed in keeping the races separate. Is not sitting with white people an really such an “indignity”? The black guys who sat at the de facto racially segregated lunch tables at my high school sure didn’t think so, they would have beat the crap out of any white who intruded. In addition, you’re obviously referring to the old “cycle of violence” theory, when in fact, the world simply doesn’t work that way a lot of the time. I mean, where was the fascist Vichy-ite “retribution” meted out on behalf of these humiliated women? Answer; there was none. There usually isn’t, at least not when there’s no chance of victory. Moldbug was right about that much, at any rate.

    But I agree with you about Basie and Ellington, so there’s that…

  14. To wit: My paternal grandfather dug combat trenches in WWII in Italy, but upon returning stateside and traveling from Kentucky to Illinois was Jim Crowed and sent to the back of the train, here in the country he risked his life for.

    I’ll take a break from my normal rabidly racist invective to say that having grown up in military towns I have a soft spot for the old black soldiers who endured such things. In these small southern cities it’s not uncommon to see a conservative old retired black soldier (from Korea or Vietnam service) driving an old truck or buick which always flies an American flag, and always wearing lapels or military type of ballcap. These are some of the most pro-military people in this country. I’ve also known quite a few gung-ho, drill sergeant types that are an absolute caricature of the classic no-nonsense Louis Gossett military character – if you’re an honest, objective man yourself you can’t help but like and admire them.

    And my neighbors two doors down were a very old black couple married 65 years and raised 4 kids of their own, he was a WW2 Navy vet and her a retired school teacher. The entire mixed neighborhood revered them, he would take us assorted kids fishing during the summer. Even the biggest racist around would know better than to utter a word against folks like that, but that’s what you get in a military town – regard for the elderly. My dad is your classic pro-Bush retired US marine, but I will never forget that when he first returned from Saudi Arabia the first thing he wanted to talk about was much he was impressed by the way that their society showed grave respect and honor to anyone elderly, even clearing streets and sidewalks and strangers helping them in every way when they pass.

  15. a marking of some sort seared into the flesh with a branding iron

    In an ideal world where we attain separate living space, perhaps that would be the condition for any stray white woman, to get back into the fold.

    It sounds barbaric, and oughtn’t be more painful than necessary – but yeah a permanent mark of shame for defiling her flesh and OUR most valuable resource, which is genetics and blood.

    It would be simpler to permanently banish them.

    the men didn’t ‘own’ the women and werent’ ‘their women”

    People are not free agents. People are bound to each other and their families and their communities and their nations. If someone is going to be a part of a family and a community and a nation, then that someone has to honor certain traditions, chief amongst which is blood and body.

    The compromise on this position is that a woman (or a man for that matter) can be allowed to remove herself from her people, and go elsewhere. But then she don’t get to enjoy the benefits and status of being part of the first community.

    FACT: Our contemporary societies are composed of people who don’t want to live together.

    FACT: All Trump voters today, as in 99.999999342999876 of them, don’t want to live with any of the recent immigrants. They want their own place, and they want those immigrants excluded from said place.

    FACT: Not all of these Trump voters, will acknowledge that that is what they want. They don’t even necessarily know it themselves.

  16. Is not sitting with white people an really such an “indignity”?

    In these days and times, it would be considered an IMPOSITION because that’s where the white womenz is at.

    Which of course is what it comes down to.

    But it is a good question. It is always regarded like it was the worst thing in the world, to have your own drinking fountain was such an insult?

    I don’t know what Jim Crow was like, but these days when the blacks start hanging out at the basketball courts, it makes the white families less safe around there.

    One time last summer some ghetto nigs did a black power play, by coming into a local park basketball court and taking it over for one or two nights. And they were really in your face with “nigger” this and “nigger” that. It is very hostile antagonistic and aggressive, and it happens all the time.

    Those were American blacks too. They have a lot of disrespect. No one around here did anything wrong to them. Fuck them. I hope we can hold on to some ground, starting now, today.

  17. White people let their own governments get away from them, though, so they have no one but themselves to blame.

    You can always blame the jews, but there’s always gonna be jews.

  18. I don’t know what Jim Crow was like, but these days when the blacks start hanging out at the basketball courts, it makes the white families less safe around there.

    Down South a large percentage of the public parks get pressured by local homeowners concerning the “vibrancy” and they just remove the basketball rims.

  19. “He was a black man who lived in a society that believed in keeping the races separate. Is not sitting with white people an really such an “indignity”? “

    Well, it’s sort-of disingenious to talk about mid-20th-century American Jim Crow as merely “keeping the races separate;” it was separate AND unequal, meaning the two segregated environs weren’t equal in quality. There was also much outright exclusion of blacks from public services that they were taxed to maintain. In short, it was exploitation.

    I’m not being maudlin or assuming you personally have a moral qualm with a system that demands certain people pay into it while treating them like garbage. But I do disagree with that and am merely registering my dissent.

  20. It was bustling at my GA precinct today, with more whites than I’ve ever seen here at this particular location in my 8 years here. I knew that was good for Trump. Lion tweeted on my report.

    Poor Bernie – 50+ years of steadfast Public Service and his reward is to spend 3 months shuttling around the country groveling and kissing the backside of the #BLM crowd, while having to steadily give ground on every issue to this new generation of thankless, screeching liberal voters. What a frightening way for a man to spend his fading years…

  21. ” I knew that was good for Trump. Lion tweeted on my report.”

    Ok, but i was thinking of our brief exchange re. Trump here yesterday; you more or less agreed with the thrust of my points but just put back on the blinders and keep maintaing the faith. Meanwhile, he already, tonight, started re-calibrating his remarks and positions; IDK, I feel like the spoil sport here by bringing up the startlingly obvious: once the the GOP PTB start getting in motion and programming the general election get a grip on him, alongside the msm scrutiny that comes when the general election begins, I just don’t see him still standing —– or in the shoes of the candidate that he’s been to date.

    Narcissists are not strong-willed nor hold strong convictions when traumas to their egos are activated. To him and his, buckling in such a situation just seems like common sense.

  22. Two words: Hell yes, we win.

    How embarrassing for Minnesota though, to get behind Rubio, candidate poolboy faggot. Hey we need another degenerate faggot in the oval office? Fuckin idiots around here. / Jesus will you at least spare me plz?

    Trump’s likely presidency is not going to fix our problems. There are still too many people and they are all mixed in together and that has to get sorted out.

    But white people are this much closer to articulating their position.

    I want to encourage and develop a Friendly Racism to sell down at city hall. So that we can finally own that tag and proceed; as in, we don’t want our kids in public schools with somalis, and we don’t want American blacks playing down at the basketball courts (around here).

    “We will all be happier to allow and encourage our natural differences to develop unhindered and on their own, so that we are ourselves and in peace, and not be at each other’s throats.

    Our differences make us who we are we do not want to forget about them, we do not want to erase them.

    Do not mix us together, against our wishes. We want to live here as ourselves.”

    Does that sound like something someone could reasonably say, at the city hall meeting, in person and televised?

    I think we are closer to that point. In order to have an Identity, we have to say such things, in the real world. If some guy were to say that at the next city hall, he would be booed and hissed, but a lot of people would think that guy is a young man worth paying attention.

    Who is that aggressive young go-getter with the head flowing full of hair?

  23. Narcissists are not strong-willed nor hold strong convictions when traumas to their egos are activated.

    What, so says Dr Freud?

    The whole Trump is a fragile narcissist is so played out. They have been hitting him with that characterization for a half a year now.

    Narcissism is not the primary element of a personality. Narcissism is a means to reflect the primary core of a personality. Reread 50 times or however long it takes, to get that point.

    Narcissism is a means, not an end. People with a real identity and a real core, use narcissism to effect their goals.

    That fact that Trump uses such means is made into an issue, simply because narcissism is a hot topic, in these times – because so many ineffectual and shallow people ALSO suffer from. But to confuse Trump with those people, is basically wishful thinking from his detractors, and revealing of their simplistic read on people’s motivations means and character.

    Nice try nikcrit, but, uh, no.

  24. Elk: White women today are under duress, but it is not so explicit as with those French women during the war.

    A lot of food for thought there. The more vulnerable of White women — the lower SES, less attractive or with fewer resources, see their men culturally disoriented and taken down economically, for one. We all live in a disrupted social ecosystem but theirs has to be exceptionally confusing. It takes effort to do well under this system and a mudshark backslide is a tempting way for them. This isn’t to excuse them, as betrayal is betrayal and once they’ve gone black they become an active antagonist and either way, they have severed all communal ties of obligation with Whites. Women also have innate egg-guarding instincts, which is why so many White women in similar circumstances DON’T cross racial lines. The mechanics behind this duress, though, deserve more understanding.

    And yeah: Trump is winning.

  25. “The whole Trump is a fragile narcissist is so played out. They have been hitting him with that characterization for a half a year now. Narcissism is not the primary element of a personality. Narcissism is a means to reflect the primary core of a personality.”

    Narcissism is often just a term of abuse employed by a parasitical weakling when faced with a powerful man that knows his own mind. And more importantly, a powerful man that threatens the weakling’s status and benefit structure. The Republican cucks, the media flunkies of the globalists — they know inside that they are parasites who produce nothing, and if they disappeared tomorrow the world would change only for the better. Trump threatens them, and since they can’t respond to him with effective counter-arguments, they resort to what are sort of college playground taunts, with a veneer of psychology (that most Jewish of deceitful arts) and a sniff of condescension.

    Really, there isn’t a thing narcissistic about Trump. He is merely a proud man, and deservedly so.

  26. Narcissism is not the primary element of a personality.

    The form I’m speaking of is, and IMO Trump is the template…. Look, re. the last paragraph of your comment on narcissism; I have no Trump schadenfreunde; i’ve said that I like him best among GOP candidates. I just sincerely believe that he’s not anything close to what he’s often assessed to be BY HIS SUPPORTERS.

    It’s at that point that the dimestore psychoanalysis begins (e.g., “his followers are so desperate that they project, etc….”) but that’s just what I see. In fact, some of your (elk’s) pro-Trump rhetoric here sounds forced and strikes me as unlikely — but only you know if it is sincere and I’ll gladly take your word for it.”

    But as for Trump, his actions draw upon my history of interviewing and writing about outsized characters with outsized needs and he screams to me detached narcissist.

    http://www.wikihow.com/Identify-Being-a-Narcissistic-Extension

    Agree. Disagree. But please don’t reduce this to some Team-black-vs.-Team-white tactic, because that’s not position i’m taking.

  27. “Really, there isn’t a thing narcissistic about Trump. He is merely a proud man, and deservedly so.”

    Really? I would’ve guessed you be more of my mind on this matter.

    When I say Trump is a ‘narcissist;’ I’m not talking some fairly typical oversized ego; I’m talking about self-absorption at a psychotic level —– at a level in which he ltierally does not sense —– see, feel, hear, touch, smell —— certain evident realities, so convinced of his projected ‘being.’

    That said, I find Trump intriguing (though a bit TOO narcissistic to be funny or ironic); I think his disaffection is clearly evident in press conferences; as I said before here, i do think he has a particular and peculiar genius for saying the most general platitudes and bromides, to which his subjects project very specific wants and their fulfillments.

  28. Nik, I find much of psychology to be twaddle, so I’m skeptical of the “findings” of this pseudo-science. Don’t have time right now to go into it much. But a few quick clips from the link you sent.

    Success is measured by over-inflation of one’s achievements, and by more concrete examples that seem to “prove” achievement: money; praise; status; promotion; being liked; being powerful; being overly nice, etc.

    Absurd. This essentially says that “success is defined by all the things normal people see as being successful.” A big problem with psychology is that is often starts from the premise that something the vast majority of people see as normal is somehow not normal or deficient. (This is because psychology is often little more than tribal warfare.)

    Their perfectionism derives from their internal, sublimated sense of worthlessness, envy and shame.

    Nonsense. This is pure projection, Jewish neurosis foisted on the people at large. It’s always the same with psychology: “nothing stems from a simple, normal cause; it’s always rooted in something dark and shameful.” Pure nonsense.

    For the narcissist everything and everyone is, in essence, reduced to an object, and some work together quite usefully: i.e. a wealthy partner; a good physique in yourself or in another (partner). These objects are known as “supplies” which the narcissist feeds off and ultimately drains of their own self-worth.

    What do such statements even mean? The narcissist “feeds off” other people? We ALL “feed off” other people! It’s called being inspired or being in love or being enlightened by someone (hey, PA, I “feed off” you man!)

    Really, it’s all mumbo jumbo. Psychology is deliberately designed to subvert the normal workings of society and to ENCOURAGE degeneracy by twisting the normal into a supposed abnormal. Freud was wrong about essentially everything, and the field continues to be awash in frauds and evil doers.

    Anyway, all you need to know about Trump is that he has a gang of healthy, happy children who clearly adore him and respect him utterly. How many people can say that these days?

    Trump is the most normal Presidential contender we’ve had since…. Coolidge maybe? Compare him to the sociopath, pedophile Clinton, the hapless bungler Bush with daddy issues, or the bottomless well of psychological wreckage that is Obama.

  29. Anyway, all you need to know about Trump is that he has a gang of healthy, happy children who clearly adore him and respect him utterly. How many people can say that these days?

    I sincerely thank you for that blast of fresh air.

  30. First of all, we’ve had a narcissist in office for right at 7 years and counting.

    Meanwhile, he already, tonight, started re-calibrating his remarks and positions;

    Second of all, Trickin’ will you please stop trying to kill my moment?

    ^^^ That’s just politics, man. Trump has clearly gotten some coaching. He’s also learned to add more polish and diplomacy to his immigration remarks, probably through working with the office of Jeff Sessions.

    But Trickin’ I just can’t get you to understand our attitude towards the Donald here. You seem endlessly amazed that we continue putting faith in him when he doesn’t have the trappings of a traditional GOP candidate. Of course he’s just a 2-trick pony right now – immigration and trade policy. Core America knows. And Core America doesn’t care. After the biteless and eunuch-like passivity of the McCain and Romney campaigns traditional conservatives had to be reminded that a candidate without the guts to fight hard for himself won’t lift a finger to fight for you, either.

    And you could actually argue that he is now replacing Barry as the new “blank screen” without a track record of having to get off the fence and take a side on divisive issues. Barry voted “present” something like 70% of the time while a Junior Senator, never attended meetings of the Congressional Black Caucus and stayed far, far away from virtually any other prominent black leaders until the last 2 years. Al Sharpton has been to the White House more than 75 times since the start of 2015, prior to that Obama didn’t want to be associated with him at all for obvious political reasons. Oh, and Barry also produced zilcho writings while leading the Harvard Law Review.

    For instance, in 2007-2008 were you as concerned with such minutiae as the fact that Obama only had a few years of experience in major office, or that he came from an interior state and had no foreign policy committee background? No, you weren’t, you just had faith that he was your guy. To his credit, I will say that the only black person in creation who questioned whether or not Obama had the necessary experience to be chief executive was our very own Obsidian, who called him an “empty suit” and said he should come back and run in 2016 or 2020.

    It’s a positive thing to have a Manchurian candidate and potential loose cannon of our own – and we’re not looking to Trump as a savior or messiah, anyway. We don’t even need him to be a good candidate or President, actually. We just needed him to arrive on the scene and do what Core America couldn’t seem to be able to do for itself – cast a generation of enemy-collaborating, self-annihilating (lol) GOP leaders into outer darkness. Actually, on second thought maybe Trump is the messiah – I’d liken his work to Jesus violently throwing the money changers out of the temple for their blasphemy. 🙂 🙂 [that was in one of the Gospels, I don’t remember which one]

    And (win or lose) after the current Trump-mania bluster and excitement are over, his impact is going to be gradual and slow-developing. We will all soon see that he’s more Johnny Appleseed than George Washington, planting seeds of fresh political ideology into the mix of conservative politics, and as they take root they’re going to choke out the old weedy cuck dogmas and then yield decades’ worth of unforeseen fruit that even the Donald himself won’t control or couldn’t predict.

    PS, I absolutely hate Kendrick Lamar but this is all I can say about you trying to rain on my parade today, MF. lol:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5AaKzOlBv8 .

  31. “Anyway, all you need to know about Trump is that he has a gang of healthy, happy children who clearly adore him and respect him utterly. How many people can say that these days?”

    Actually, that’s among the reasons I prefer him best among the contending GOP field, though I respect Kasich for the hardships he’s dealt with.

    As for the narcisissm link, your point stands, but the link i submitted was in error in that it dealt with VICTIMS of the narcissist, rather than the intended one that dealt a concise psychological term of ‘narcissism.’ And the intended link was from the same website, so y our point stands; just registering it was my error that the relevance was a tad off, etc….

    As for your low tolerance for psychobabble, I grew up in a family in which psychologists, psychiatrists, counselors and social workers were overrepresented and I too get “Freud Fatigue,’ e.g., i’m as intolerant as the next guy toward self-appointed mind readers, as it’s impossible to know with certainty the motivations of ANY fairly complex and intelligent human being.

    But to the extnent psychobabble is a currency i’m familiar with and occasionally deal in albeit in a qualified way, I see some unique characteristics about Trump; my most pointed personal conviction here is the sense I developed from dealing with celebrity subjects and those who were close to them (agents, p.r. flacks, publicists, media contacts, etc.) Among that set, there are hard-established stereotypes of conceited, self-absorbed figures and how they operate on macro and micro levels —– and by the distant indicators I’m privvy to (televised press conferences and interviews) Trump is off-the-charts (and not-so-deludedly) grandeur! He refers to himself in third person, etc…… biggest point here for those currently endeared by him, IMO, is this: he is very, very capable of doing something absolutely contrary to what compels one to back him in one nanosecond!
    For instance, relative to the alt-right backing of Trump, I beileve with all sincerity that Trump has nary a ‘Dark Enlightenment’ bone in his body — nor its opposite; it’s just that his prime concern is entirely disconnected from any and all concerns registered here and at similar blogs.
    That’s where my other belief about Trump comes in: that he DOES have some supernatural capability to get his believers to see in him qualities and positions that simply aren’t there; he somehow magnifies and beams back their most specific political yearnings.

  32. Ok,
    Trump is sort-of the Alt-right’s “CH moment”; you don’t need some mannerful interloper here raising his doubts.

    Dream away, fellas —— but don’t say I didn’t warn you when you start to process of vetting “VP candidate Omarosa.”

    HE DOESN’T HAVE ANY INDEOLOGICAL LOYALTY TO YOU, JUST TO HIS ‘Q’ RATING!!!

  33. HE DOESN’T HAVE ANY INDEOLOGICAL LOYALTY TO YOU, JUST TO HIS ‘Q’ RATING!!!

    We know, we know. It’s symbiosis – not parasitism, but mutualism. We will take it, it’s a deal we are willing to make. The alt-right makes use of Trump for its most central goals and gives support in return while openly realizing the likelihood that he’ll make future policies it won’t like, since he’s not a fellow traveler in the full ideological sense.

    And thanks for letting the alt-right have a brief moment in the Sun before we have to go back to contemplating the never ending crush of 21st century demography.

    And there are already hints that Trump has long been privately saying that his real immigration policy in action will be more dialed back than what his supporters are assuming… and that’s fine. But having a legit Presidential candidate who even casually muses on building better border structures is a big step in both the ideological and concrete sense – if Trump is elected we’ll surely see illegal border crossings drop by a very significant percentage virtually overnight, before he even takes his oath.

  34. What is unique about Trump amongst the pseudo-panoply of players who ultimately operate by “any means necessary” is that he can be both liked and not entirely trusted by a hard-nosed set of white men with pragmatic sensibilities. The alt-rite knows Trump to be a social liberal at heart and because the alt-riter is ultimately a social liberal in mind then a lack of genuine trust between the two CAN BE easily glossed over by a Trump willing to move on an important alt-rite issue by “any means necessary.”

  35. The alt-rite knows Trump to be a social liberal at heart and because the alt-riter is ultimately a social liberal in mind then a lack of genuine trust between the two CAN BE easily glossed over by a Trump willing to move on an important alt-rite issue by “any means necessary.”

    IMO,
    Thor’s above comment excerpt is a pitch-perfect example of Trump’s ability to reflect back and upon his enamored subjects a magnified image of their political desires.

    That, or yet another instance of Thor dissin’ Trump and whatever Zeitgeist intrigue of the moment, while also calling-out his home-court alt-right teammates

  36. I have yet to look into the Donald’s handling of The Litmus Test and so his degree of pathological deracination is still unclear. And the degree of pathological deracination is really the only metric needed to assess any and all future candidates vying for positions of power in new Separate Nation. The Trump has put himself on a different stage. He is and has always been a bona fide radical autonomist. He MUST NOW be converted to wS or he is ultimately nothing but another malignant outgrowth of the zeitgeist.

  37. We know, we know. It’s symbiosis – not parasitism, but mutualism. We will take it, it’s a deal we are willing to make. >/i>

    proof of the desperation and ‘wishful projection’ I spoke of a bit earlier? Ok, no shame in that alone. But what-if he pulls the “Omarosa VP” card, or some other iconic gesture that comprises a Trump-Alt-rite “mutualism” deal breaker?

    I’d think about it because it’s not so far-fetched a concern, I tell ya.

  38. The more vulnerable of White women — the lower SES, less attractive or with fewer resources, see their men culturally disoriented and taken down economically, for one. We all live in a disrupted social ecosystem but theirs has to be exceptionally confusing. It takes effort to do well under this system and a mudshark backslide is a tempting way for them.

    In prior decades church attendance was such a safety net against young (white) women making bad relationship decisions, with that eroding there’s also the loss of the associated social/family connections and, most importantly – shame.

    Back home in rural NC a lot of the lower class young white girls I’ve seen have no connection to anything and their life consists of obsessing over their social network – no one has any expectations on them, they’re given no plan for the future, and raised by an inattentive single mom who lives check-to-check instead of two parents who’d feel the sting of embarrassment at their lack of class if their little girl goes astray under their watch. And when there isn’t ample child rearing you’ve got TV and social media there eager to fill the void, I’ve seen young white kids who can’t converse much beyond textspeak and spend literally every waking moment on an app. It’s easy to make bad decisions when you’re being effectively raised by Kik, Snapchat, Kardashians, Yikyak, Real Housewives, Tumblr, Vine, and what must be around 50 annual Julia Styles movies glamorizing interracial relationships.

    I’m surprised that the white legitimacy rate is actually still holding at around 75-80%. It could be much worse.

    And I’m in favor of stopping immigration of more Muslims but maybe it would be great if we could import a small dose of one thing that typically characterizes Islamic societies – the crushing feeling of dishonor that the entire family feels when their young girl isn’t virtuous.

  39. It is just a fact now that strong, white men CANNOT run for national office as Democrats. And to the degree that Trump possesses a racial awareneness, he recognizes that he can only be a Republican or Independent candidate for President and STILL BE CONSIDERED alpha male. But this rudimentary cognizance is no real measure of Trump’s loyalty to the white race. None whatsoever. His take on immigration is, within the confines of running as strong, white man for a Republican/Independent candidacy, rather either/or… Either establishment or not establishment? And so it goes that the stronger white man JUST IS anti-establishment. Yet, the reality is that Trump has taken a lot of air out of the persistent and psychologically devastating savagery of “black” on white violence… The true impetus for permanent separation. Trump has, beneath the surface, sought to create economic allies amongst lower class whites and blacks pitted against legal/illegal immigrants WHEN A TOTAL ECONOMIC separation is actually in order. In this, he is already seeking to either chip away at lower class “black” support for Hillary or somehow gain that slim minority in an otherwise monolithic vote that nonetheless will turn the tide in a presidential election destined to be rigged to an even closer divide.

  40. proof of the desperation and ‘wishful projection’ I spoke of a bit earlier? Ok, no shame in that alone. But what-if he pulls the “Omarosa VP” card, or some other iconic gesture that comprises a Trump-Alt-rite “mutualism” deal breaker?

    I’d think about it because it’s not so far-fetched a concern, I tell ya.

    LOL, so you’re saying my “desperation” and “wishful projection” is actually more outlandish than my comparison of Trump to Jesus at the Temple? OK, sure.

    But I’m pretty sure he’s already hired consultants to advise him on many things. He’s gradually becoming less spastic and is having fewer instances of the petty ad hominem spats. (but maybe that’s because he’s kept his distance from Megyn Kelly lately) And he’s clearly being advised behind the scenes by Chris Christie, they’ve probably made a deal for him to be appointed Attorney General, a position that Christie covets. And you know that he did say that his VP choice would be what he called a political “insider”?

    But even if I’m dead wrong on that and he continues his normal mercurial ways I’m not worried. For all I care he can make Omarosa his VP, Chief of Staff, Secretary of the Treasury, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or even Postmaster General. For our purposes, could she be any worse than the fruits, nuts, militant lesbians, Eric Holders, wise Latinas, Valerie Jarretts, trannies and rainbow liberation warriors that Obama has been either packing in to the Justice Department or appointing to dozens of newly created “czar” positions for 7 long years? What could be worse for the alt-right than a White House that sends 4 official representatives to the funeral of Michael Brown or sees 75+ visits from Al Sharpton in 12 months?

    Trump-Omarosa in office is surely a better option than Bernillary or any of these other open borders-loving idiots on the current GOP primary slate, they’re the ones that have been collaborating with the enemy from within and they deserve to get their ears boxed and heads shaved like the French girls mentioned in this thread.

  41. Camlost…

    It makes no sense to invoke Islam’s manner of “patriarchy” when you give concrete ideation to real white fathers with white daughters facing a total zeitgeist within the West. For what is the zeitgeist other than to destroy the white father/white daughter relationship… Convert both to radical sexual autonomy and inevitable self-annihilation? No doubt a white father should feel the humiliation of a white daughter gone pathological… BUT TO WHAT DEGREE in this time of total immersion in a radically liberated society? The most virulent critiques coming from the alt-rite toward white females gone pathological ARE FROM THOSE with no white daughters to speak of! There isn’t some magic incantation or elixir of word… It is all out war for DECADES on end starting at birth and going forward for how long? The zeitgeist is relentless. Add another… Throw in some sons. You have to get in the trenches and feel the sting of failing to bring into this world a new potential for wS. FORGET Islam. It’s irrelevant as a model for living the life of a wS. In fact, it is downright deleterious to the free will of the white man. And to the extent you give it attention, it should be in the manner of avoiding its pathological reach.

  42. “…rump-Omarosa in office is surely a better option than Bernillary or any of these other open borders-loving idiots on the current GOP primary slate, …”

    Whoa! Wait a minute; i just had a mental flashback to the Guy White days; wasn’t it you who touted the idea of limited Indian and Mexican immigration to fulfill certain I.T. and lower-labor positions that no Americans would fill? Hmmmmm… 🙂

  43. It is just a fact now that strong, white men CANNOT run for national office as Democrats.

    Ohhhhhhh, I can’t wait for this to jump off.

    Very soon there’s going to be HUGE pressure building in the Democratic Party to stop putting forth white male Democrats for every type of high office, unless they maybe earn honorary minority status in painful fashion by marrying an ugly sister like Bill DiBlasio. When the Democrats finally start to reap the ramifications of the identity politics they’ve played so hard for 7 years it’s going to get ugly for them and will continue the gradual trend of whites moving to the right. The runup to every major election will devolve into a liberal anti-white guy screechfest, as minority candidates demand precedence- right now the worst of it has only been forestalled temporarily by the existence of Hillary.

    There’s ZERO white male Democrats from the South in the Senate currently, and only 1 of the 435 House Members is a southern white male – Jim Cooper from Tennessee. The fiscally moderate-to-conservative “Blue Dog” Democrats used to be like 60-80 strong in Congress (Bill Clinton was aligned with them) but they’re now down to less than 10, I think. They keep getting pushed out as the Democratic Party moves further and further to the left.

    It makes no sense to invoke Islam’s manner of “patriarchy” when you give concrete ideation to real white fathers with white daughters facing a total zeitgeist within the West.

    Your criticism is valid, my comment on female honor in Islamic societies was probably too lightweight to be of use. You’re right on this.

  44. i just had a mental flashback to the Guy White days; wasn’t it you who touted the idea of limited Indian and Mexican immigration to fulfill certain I.T. and lower-labor positions that no Americans would fill?

    Can’t remember now but I’ve gotten into with many people who’ve said we need to end the entire H-1B program in one fell swoop, and I ‘ve to explain that such a thing would be devastating for software companies since they have tooled their workflow, budgeting and project management specifically for the use of short-term contractors like H-1B visa holders. That’s about as rational as those far libertarians who say we need to dismantle the entire Department of Education – in one day. In some technical areas H-1B labor is all that tech companies have ever known.

    I don’t categorically oppose any use of the H-1B program like some, but I’d rather reduce their numbers gradually and have tax incentives given to companies who retool American workers to fill the tech labor gap… but there’s no magic bullet.

  45. IDK..i’m watching some of the nauseating cable-news ‘day-after’ punditry; they’re definitely ramping up the ‘Stop Trump’ rhetoric; certainly the GOP realpolitik machine is putting their boots on and going from hypotheticals to action….. For my part, no schedenfreunde; my negs here are centered on the vainglorious celebrity aspect of Trump; i can’t help it: i see first and foremost a black-hole of sel-absorbed take-no-prisoners vainglory when i look at ‘The Donald.’ But, if as compatriots here seem to believe, he’s just a vague but powerful rallying point for future white-right platform, then i guess his purpose is valid and certainly beyond any reproach emanating from ‘me and mine’ on a national level….

    On literary terms, I think there’s a Trump trope in ‘Blood Meridian’; the dystopian reality of the all-powerful white figure; perhaps he’s here in real life in the early 21st-century to stop the steady ascension over the last 50 years of Ralph Ellison’s ‘Ras the Destroyer’ character from “Invisible Man,” who’s incarnated everyone from the Black Panthers to Al Sharpton in modern times?

    Who knows? Halfrican Trickdaddy just dipped a bit too generously into happy hour after work. We’ll see…

  46. That’s about as rational as those far libertarians who say we need to dismantle the entire Department of Education – in one day.

    They might be on to something!

    I am not following much of the mainstream coverage at this point. Every time it comes on, i can’t believe the extent of the slant. It is clear that everyone involved in its production has internalized the notion that they are doing the right thing and fighting the good fight.

    Or i don’t even know. When there is a panel on Public Radio, every one of the voices involved in viscerally repulsive. The smarm, the estrogen, the whiny-ness, the dickless-ness.

    Think of how INTERESTING it would be, to set up program for public radio, that was simply a panel of real people – and specifically real white men – who were interested and informed on politics and current domestic affairs, the local economy and popular culture, and let them have an hour – every damned day. Two hours every day. Four hours, six hours. As if what they are doing is one-tenth as worthwhile. Who whom who whom.

    The key to it would be in selecting intelligent men with good radio voices, who wanted to do it. It would be like crack – people would not stop about it.

    Realistically this is the type of insurgent media campaign that might have some viability. We need to break the barrier of information control. And it’s not information control as much as control of perspective. At this point there are plenty of people willing to real talk, under their own names.

  47. It was a given that Trump would be transformed into “white supremacy” for the purpose of rationalizing and justifying an even more radically liberated reaction (as the direction is always towards more radical autonomy). “White Supremacy” IS the driving force behind radical liberation. “White Supremacy” is the be-all and end-all of “white” liberation. “White Supremacy” is the very force that compels the Jewish anti-Supremacist, nigger, homodyke and jihadist to use “any means necessary.” What Trump’s “enemies” are actually doing (by claiming him “white supremacy”) is tightening the noose around the many uncommitted, individual lesser liberals in a show of collective mob force.

  48. The position of producer at a public radio station is so powerful. What percentage of the producers at NPR are jews. How about at Minnesota Public Radio.

    I don’t blame jews for being jews though. Minnesota voted for Rubio. Talk about some guileless and clueless people.

    Minnesotans take pride in their eccentricity. I guarantee that most Minnesotans are pleased and proud as punch (and they like that aphorism because it’s folksy!) for their ‘eccentric’ choice.

    That the guy is a literal Cuban poolboy, is neither here nor there to them. If anything it is a plus. There is no consideration that the office might suffer from such a lack of gravitas.

    On the other hand Texans voted for Cruz, so they are equally as bad. Perhaps worse because they should know better and let’s ‘face’ it: Cruz is uglier.

  49. And that’s just the thing Elk… We have crossed a critical threshold in which most “whites” DESIRE annihilation. Not an abrupt, torturous and painfully laborious annihilation. Rather, most “whites” now desire a pleasurable annihilation (via radical sexual autonomy/deracination/”right” to “love” whatever you want). An annihilation they can take pride in and hold their head high with a sense of “supremacy.” So the “genocide” meme ONLY RESONATES with those in DENIAL concerning the above reality. So “we” are doubly degenerate.

  50. For my part, no schedenfreunde; my negs here are centered on the vainglorious celebrity aspect of Trump;

    I didn’t mean to come off as accusing you of schadenfreud, I was just joking with the “let us have our moment” talk, I know you were arguing in good faith. I’m working from home today and I’m commenting on like 8 different forums and I’m stoked… I gotta get off the internet… this is too much. But you must really care about us alt-righters to take pains to keep reminding us that we may be headed for a letdown from the Donald 🙂

    But we see the same buffoon that you see when we look at Trump and we may not be “projecting” as much as you think. But his anti-PC pariah status is surely seizing on some vicarious white guy admiration for his IDGAF demeanor, since for 7 years we’ve been the target of a huge expansion in liberal finger wagging and an annoyingly condescending HNIC political attitude from Obama. (jk, kinda)

  51. Think of how INTERESTING it would be, to set up program for public radio, that was simply a panel of real people – and specifically real white men – who were interested and informed on politics and current domestic affairs, the local economy and popular culture, and let them have an hour – every damned day. Two hours every day. Four hours, six hours. As if what they are doing is one-tenth as worthwhile. Who whom who whom.

    Fantastic idea. I’d donate or help. I don’t know if enough about the radio or news biz to evaluate the viability of the idea, though.

  52. If one acknowledges Good and evil proper then one shall love the right thing or one shall “love” all the wrong things. And this is the practical application of Liberalism per a strictly material “playing field…” The “right” to “love” all the wrong things (and the simultaneous Tourette’s-like reaction to all things “hate”). This is “freedom” to those who are driven mad by a paradigm that forcefully acknowledges and lends credence to the total reality of Good and evil. The true schism is and always was between that race of men who acknowledge objective Supremacy and that cabal of diverse mongrels who knowingly reject such a Total Reality to an inevitably pathological end.

  53. This is an awsome thread PA. I have never seen this before.

    Suburban_Elk: “Also, were not their transgressions under duress? Can that be said about white women in this day and age?”
    No, and no. Stop making excuses for female behavior. The Nazis were the sexy conquerors, and the French women came joyously repeatedly as they were conquered. As they do today under the new conquerors, who they welcomed in themselves against the wishes of their men.
    “White women today are under duress, but it is not so explicit as with those French women during the war.”
    Wishful thinking, and false. The White female is the most privileged and coddled demographic short of Eskimos that has ever walked the Earth.
    “White advocates want to make the case of how their women ARE under duress. That point requires a lot of elaboration, and is crucial to the whole shebang.”
    Self-denial off our racial cuckoldry and betrayal is crucial for naught but saving face. It is important only for making us feel good about ourselves at the expense of truth. It is also why we will continue to fail as Beta WN try in vain to alter the behavior of women without holding them accountable for their behavior while simultaneously appeasing them. Neither can be done.

  54. Nikrit: “I feel the women’s actions should stand alone and signify; the men didn’t ‘own’ the women and werent’ ‘their women’”
    This can be said to be true in the context that the land you stand on has been around for millions of years, and will be for millions of years after, so the American Indians, South African Bushmen, and Australian Aborigines didn’t “own” the land the White man took.
    Land and women are needed for any people to survive and reproduce. The ability to take another’s is the ability to outpopulate your competition in the game of evolution.
    To let another take what was yours is genetic oblivion for the loser.

    The rules are different for women. They evolved to *want* to be conquered for a reason.
    “so, would that justify him, say, reveling in the humiliation of white male cuckold porn because of the racially encoded indignities put upon him during WWII?”
    No justification needed. All’s fair in “love” and war.
    After all, suppose we pretend the thousands of our sick men filming their wives getting piled by negros are “under duress”. Psychological, spiritual, and cultural duress, from the current zeitgeist, sure. But they are responsible for their own actions.
    Why shouldn’t he? Why shouldn’t you? My people’s future is neither his nor your responsibility. Why would you not savor the sweet taste of victory?

    Cue Thordaddy to call me and anti-White supremacist. But I would say to him that we cannot give ourselves a moral license for conquest without denying it to others. Denying it to anyone is a failed moral dead-end because of both our History and because of Natural Law. It’s not that the immigrants don’t have a right to come here and take what is ours, it’s that we have a right to fight them off to protect our own. What we need for our survival is a moral license to resist our conquest. To break the moral chains on our own hands to ensure our survival, to retake our land, and….
    “No, is the answer i’m rhetorically calling for, of course.”
    False. Independent of vengeance or schadenfreude, victory is for the winner. Survival goes to he, and so our instincts guide us.

  55. Regarding these photos:
    PA: “The men, I mean.”
    Indeed. In contrast to the glaring beta male butthurt of the men with their wimpy non-violent payback, the faces of the women are defiant ant uncaring, with not a lick of shame. Rather annoyed at the inconvenience of being held accountable for their actions, but not a shred of guilt, or belief that they did anything wrong.
    Classic.

  56. Suburban_Elk: “Also, were not their transgressions under duress? Can that be said about white women in this day and age?”
    No, and no. Stop making excuses for female behavior.

    […]

    The rules are different for women. They evolved to *want* to be conquered for a reason.

    My characterization of women’s sex behavior is not an “excuse”, it is a description.

    As is Heretic Phi’s: “They evolved to *want* to be conquered for a reason.”

    Heretic Phi describes their behavior of sex with the enemy as including some “want” and i describe it as “under duress”. Both descriptions are getting into what the female is experiencing, and such experience will include a range of emotions and feelings, including fear and desire, which often go together.

    Either description can be characterized as an “excuse” but such characterization is in the mind of the person doing the characterizing. I am inclined to be sympathetic, but can draw a line as necessary such as now.

    As far as women being under duress, then and or now, i will stand by my contention that they were then and they are now; and but it is a case that wants to be made, because at least now, no one is holding a gun to their head, they are being threatened more subtly.

    The larger point is that women being threatened (under duress) is crucial to the case of genocide upon white people. If it can be established that women are under duress in their mate selection, the case for genocide is made.

    Here is the legal definition of the Genocide Convention,

    Article 2 of the convention defines genocide as

    … any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    — Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2

  57. “White advocates want to make the case of how their women ARE under duress. That point requires a lot of elaboration, and is crucial to the whole shebang.”
    Self-denial off our racial cuckoldry and betrayal is crucial for naught but saving face.

    But saying that white women are under duress does not save face at all, it loses face.

    If we had face, our women would not be under duress. It is shameful that our women are under duress.

    It is also why we will continue to fail as Beta WN try in vain to alter the behavior of women without holding them accountable for their behavior while simultaneously appeasing them. Neither can be done.

    I don’t think that women are accountable for their behavior.

    They go with the winner, as the quoted selection from Phi above maintains, “They evolved to *want* to be conquered”.

    How can they be held accountable for behavior which is evolved into them?

  58. “If one acknowledges Good and evil proper then one shall love the right thing or one shall “love” all the wrong things. And this is the practical application of Liberalism per a strictly material “playing field…” The “right” to “love” all the wrong things (and the simultaneous Tourette’s-like reaction to all things “hate”). This is “freedom” to those who are driven mad by a paradigm that forcefully acknowledges and lends credence to the total reality of Good and evil. The true schism is and always was between that race of men who acknowledge objective Supremacy and that cabal of diverse mongrels who knowingly reject such a Total Reality to an inevitably pathological end.”

    Thor, this is about the closest i’ve ever come to gleaning a concise and succinct understanding of your theoretical framework. Some of your points actually resonate real-life examples that come to mind…… Though it is a bit unnerving that ‘me and mine’ don’t at all bode well within ‘rise and/or demise’ philosophy you put forth.

  59. “This can be said to be true in the context that the land you stand on has been around for millions of years, and will be for millions of years after, so the American Indians, South African Bushmen, and Australian Aborigines didn’t “own” the land the White man took.
    Land and women are needed for any people to survive and reproduce. The ability to take another’s is the ability to outpopulate your competition in the game of evolution.
    To let another take what was yours is genetic oblivion for the loser.”

    Well, ok, if you want to be swinging for the fences each and every time one references societal norms and context. Rather, I was merely being conversational within the realm that “they didn’t ‘own’ those women, hence, they weren’t ‘their’ women within cited sovereign Vichy state..

    I’m just saying, since you’re going all meta and technical on me….hahha.

  60. This can be said to be true in the context that the land you stand on has been around for millions of years, and will be for millions of years after, so the American Indians, South African Bushmen, and Australian Aborigines didn’t “own” the land the White man took.

    In the case of South Africa, they didn’t even occupy the land the white man took. When the Boers and English got there they spent most of their time trudging through VAST areas that were lightly or completely unpopulated. But guess who then followed along or moved in close proximity to them for technology, household goods, labor jobs and access to liquor…

  61. How can they be held accountable for behavior which is evolved into them?

    Exactly. In the evolutionary sense youth have always been known to have a certain sense of impulsiveness and desire to explore the “other.” The problem comes when you remove shame and the family/religious strictures that made sure this didn’t culminate in your daughters shagging some lowlife.

    And I don’t think you can conflate whatever these French “collabo” girls did with the phenomenon of modern mudsharking, which is partly due to a deep cultural malaise specific to America and its toxic media.

  62. They go with the winner, as the quoted selection from Phi above maintains, “They evolved to *want* to be conquered”.

    How can they be held accountable for behavior which is evolved into them?

    Phi, I agree with elk on his points of unfeasibility in your view; me thinks you’re putting bits of subjective bitterness in views that aspire toward objectivity.

  63. “And I don’t think you can conflate whatever these French “collabo” girls did with the phenomenon of modern mudsharking, which is partly due to a deep cultural malaise specific to America and its toxic media.”

    Actually, if you take in an honest and non-self-interested view of American history, from antebellum days to the present, it makes all the sense in the world that cultural eros mythos, replete with taboos and evident transgressions, elevates sexually the black male and the white female….. much of the ‘mudsharking’ mystique is the result of ‘forbidden fruit’ syndrome instilled during slavery; one takes in modern advertising today and what i say is evident in seconds….. it’s the result of cultural mythos over centuries; not just a cabal of ‘elite jews’ and cultural studies grads from Brown in the past 30 years. I mean, c’mon.

  64. How can they be held accountable for behavior which is evolved into them?

    Exactly. And I will go one step beyond:

    You’ve also gotta consider that between 1850-1950 whites of European origin had climbed to something like 40% of the World’s population, and dominated the entire planet culturally and politically. (and still do even though their % of world’s population is down to 12-15%)

    I would argue that the “nice white lady” profile of being inviting and warm might be an evolutionary trait that allowed this to happen – the modern notion of a large-scale nation is entirely European in origin, and involved heavy actual mixing with other European outgroups to overcome tribalism. Today we look at the English or Germans as a seamless ethnic group that fell from heaven in their current form, but nothing could be further from the truth – they’re actually a mishmash of what used to be many tribes who had conflict with each other and had to interbreed (Normans, Franks, Burgundians, Bavarians, Allemani, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, Bavarians, Marcomanni etc. etc.)

    The history of the European nation actually starts in 9AD, when Arminius led a huge confederation of 50+ Germanic tribes to victory over the Romans at Teutoburg Forest, somewhere in modern-day Saxony. That victory opening the West to migrations for tribes of Germanic origin, and permanently stopped any Roman aspirations to push beyond the Rhine.

    And if you look at one reason why Muslim countries suck ass, it’s because they’re still saddled down by heavy tribalism and and they associated low-trust societies they produce. Interbreeding is low, and marriage to first or second cousin is still extremely commonplace.

    So, my suggested solution isn’t just to bag on white women for being who they are. Rather, do two things – 1. don’t invite all this endless brown riffraff into the country in the first place and 2. raise your daughter with as much class as possible if you don’t want to see her knocked up by some saggy pants Obama supporter.

  65. One thing I’ll readily concede that’s critical about 20th-century Black America is that, when blacks finally did start attending college in mass, they were over-concentrated in modern, social-science disciplines, like education and counseling; lots of ed, sociology and humanities majors (those invaluable afro-am studies majors) and I was part of that same cultural-lemmings march, going for modern-lit and journalism (and it was rare for a black lit grad then).

    So, my point is, when the conversation gears toward history before the 19th-century, i feel like the proverbial kid at the grown-ups dinner table; ditto when PA discusses Euro eastern-bloc history, or especially when the HBD pundits get into the more scientific terms of the trade; and hold forth on genetic haplotypes and other gene matters.

    But I can hold forth with authority on Huey Newton and the Black Panthers, the SDS march in Chicago in 1968 and, most proudly of all, the history of rock, pop and funk from Elvis to Bieber!

  66. when blacks finally did start attending college in mass, they were over-concentrated in modern, social-science disciplines, like education and counseling; lots of ed, sociology and humanities majors

    Let me venture a bit out of my depth here: rather than following Booker T Washington’s idea of economic empowerment through trades, they followed the WEB Dubois model of political empowerment through liberal education?

  67. Let me venture a bit out of my depth here: rather than following Booker T Washington’s idea of economic empowerment through trades, they followed the WEB Dubois model of political empowerment through liberal education?

    As Sailer would suggest, they followed the path that best coincided with their deeeeep love of being black…. not to mention their equally boundless affinity for talking about being black.

  68. But I can hold forth with authority on Huey Newton and the Black Panthers, the SDS march in Chicago in 1968 and, most proudly of all, the history of rock, pop and funk from Elvis to Bieber!

    I’ve always been into all types of trivia contests and competitions, and in grad school I organized a team with me, 2 white and 1 black trivia buff friends to compete in a big AA trivia contest the University was holding, they even had a sponsor and small prize $$ – as broke students we wanted that. We ripped thru everybody but lost in the finals to a team that was part faculty.

    You shoulda seen the look on the faces of all those Donna Brazile-looking AA studies department sponsors when I chastised them for not realizing they had an incorrect question – they had said that MLK was the first black person to win a Nobel Prize and that’s not true, it was diplomat Ralph Bunche way before that. (Unlike our current Kenyan-in-chief Bunche actually earned his award, by negotiating an Arab-Israeli peace accord)

  69. How can they [white females] be held accountable for behavior which is evolved into them?

    IMPOSE God-ordained free will on them AND DENY them an “evolutionary” excuse to self-annihilate WHICH MUST BE understood as evidence of a falsification of the very theory itself.

  70. All this talk of “women” is the first cue in that those popping off the loudest have very little experience with girls, ladies, dykes, lesbians, daughters, sisters, mothers, etc…

    A WOMAN… Er, a white woman is a “thing” that one must endeavor towards. A “white woman” is not born or just suddenly comes about at a certain age. A “white woman” is methodically cultivated from a young white female. A “white woman” is an EXALTED ideal that must be relentlessly strove towards as individuals and collectively. To AUTOMATICALLY APPROPRIATE the term “woman” to any and all female is the type of pervasive radical autonomy that is now the common schtick of both the politically-correct madmen on the “left” and the culturally-correct “white” male liberationists on the “right.” In the psychological war, words are weapons of choice.

  71. HBD asserts that “white man” and “white woman” DO NOT POSSESS God-ordained free will. The end.

  72. “HBD asserts that “white man” and “white woman” DO NOT POSSESS God-ordained free will. The end.”

    How does HBD do as much? And if so, why is that a inarguable disqualifier?

  73. Nikcrit…

    The HBD observation is rooted in the “evolutionary” assumption which CANNOT accommodate self-annihilation without falsifying the entire paradigm. And counterintuitively, it is the desire for self-annihilation that signals possession of God-ordained free will. Seen in this context, screams of “genocide” amongst all sides is little more than cover for the plethora of self-annihilating tendencies found within each liberationist faction. And of course, the most self-annihilating tendency is that of parasitism. A parasite is a self-annihilator… Lacks free will… Cannot be dutifully accountable for its actions. It must be eradicated or it will annihilate the host EVERYTIME. Knowing this, the human “parasite” must make a choice? God-ordained free will and total accountability or parasitic status DEMANDING eradication?

  74. Let me venture a bit out of my depth here: rather than following Booker T Washington’s idea of economic empowerment through trades, they followed the WEB Dubois model of political empowerment through liberal education?

    They certainly did both. And given history, it’s not really surprising that Afro-Ams, within a few generations out of bondage, were collectively obsessed with black identity and black consciousness,,,,along those lines, it’s not at all surprising that p.c. came about, a cultural over-correction that could only be epic given the circumstances; still, when you happen to be living in such a historical moment, it’s easier said than done to simply grin-and-bear it.

    RE. Cam’s joke about black social-science self-absorption; I somewhat corrected my mistake in grad school and went through a spell of literary overcompensation, reading Kafka, Eliot and Proust one month, Dctorow, Waugh and Faulkner the next. I swear to you, by modern black standards —- even some of the black Ph.D’s I work beside, I’m damn-near a bona-fide Renaissance Man. There’s an administrator I know who recently retired who did his PhD dissertation on the movie “Superfly.” He taught at a area community college for nearly 20 years… Seriously. Lol…

  75. Let me venture a bit out of my depth here: rather than following Booker T Washington’s idea of economic empowerment through trades,

    But his advice did not go unheard. Asians

    All this talk of “women” is the first cue in that those popping off the loudest have very little experience with girls, ladies, dykes, lesbians, daughters, sisters, mothers, etc…

    Hence, we will defer to you on the dykes.

    damn-near a bona-fide Renaissance Man.

    By ANY standards that makes you a Renaissance Man. I doubt that even 1/10 of my friend’s with Bachelor’s degrees could even tell you who Kafka is, maybe a little higher % on the Faulkner. I was watching an old rerun of Frasier the other night and it featured jokes whose punchline were comparing one contentious woman to Lady Macbeth and later one poking fun at someone for ending a sentence with a preposition. Humor like that is dying quickly due to our rapidly dropping average education level and the relentless pressure that mass consumerism puts on everything to be dumbed down heavily. And we’ve surely all seen those Jimmy Kimmel bits where he goes out on the street and stumps people with the most basic history, science or government questions.

  76. There’s an administrator I know who recently retired who did his PhD dissertation on the movie “Superfly.”

    Well, he’s about to get a lot more busy. Once Hollywood gets finished groveling before the #Oscarssowhite crowd we will surely see 3 or 4 new Oscar categories set aside strictly for black movies. That’s the only solution I can foresee, and I’m enjoying every minute of seeing Hollywood squirm. PC is so out of control now that I can’t recall even a single prominent Director even making a half-hearted attempt to argue that blacks are actually quite over-represented in front of the camera in both TV and film, they just all bent over and took the reaming.

    But I’m guessing Hollywood could invent the sassy black buddy cop category, the step show category, the bullet riddled rapper biopic category and the inevitable “my cheatin’ man done lef’ me” category. And we’ll see the blossoming of a new golden age of films set inside hair care establishments.

  77. In my estimation a renaissance man is qualified in both the left and right brain activities.

    Michelangelo and Leonardo are the two classical examples. I had this image of Michelangelo the man as being “beautiful” like one of his subjects, but then upon seeing him in a self-portrait that is slipped into the corner of one of his panoramas, he is very much hardscrabble and craggyfaced, a rough-looking character. Which of course makes sense. No one who accomplishes so much is going to be anything but a complete and total badass and all around hard man.

    But to the point; his visual aesthetics are obviously first-rate, but he was also an accomplished technician and engineer. He had to build support structures for a lot of his work that were quite elaborate. If i recall correctly, for the Sistine Chapel he designed some modular scaffolding that allowed him to get all over the place, and the technical challenges to accomplish that had apparently baffled the experts but he just whipped it up.

  78. The Hollywood thing is just like, wtf?

    As Sailer has gone on about, in terms of per capita tabulations, blacks are over-represented. And then one might make the case that on top of that, that in terms of per capita TALENT tabulations, they got exactly what they deserved, which is nothing.

    Will Smith?! – just look at that guy’s face. Talk about bland and boring. Hey, it turns out that black people can be even more bland and boring than your hapless white suburbanite.

    And then the fact that jewish domination of it all, is completely verboten, to bring up?! Everyone’s talking about race and the unfairness, but don’t mention the elephant in the room.

    Everyone loves to be entertained, but Hollywood is blowing it. I actually think that black Americans probably are inclined to talent in acting, in the same way that they do well in music and sports. It is an “in-the-moment” type of thing. And also the fact that blacks, in this pozzed-out America, are often healthy and dynamic people because they thrive in this shithole society (like cockroaches and rats), whereas white people tend to get frustrated fat slovenly and slow; not to mention depressed.

    So anyone really wanting to tell some true tales, will find no shortage of interesting black faces.

    I would think that some of the real stories, that could be told and would appeal – would go along well enough with the Narrative. Basically stories about “the Life” that show what it’s really like.

    It could be 100 per cent black, or 90 per cent black, and people would be fascinated to see it, and experience the thrill of it all without having to go down there and suffer from it.

    So why isn’t that genre, that storyline – why isn’t it being developed?

    One reason is probably because black people are not good screenwriters. And the white ones who might be qualified with their own experience – and there are certainly plenty – for some reason they can’t resist hamming it up into something overly … farcical and glamorous and unrealistic?

  79. That is a good fucking question, by the way. Why isn’t that genre being developed.

    Storylines that are realistic about “the Life”.

    As i said above – it could be that black people themselves are incapable of conceiving of their own experience on a large enough conceptual level to make a movie out of it. And so instead of the real story, we get a stupid white jewish take on it.

    That idea is worth repeating: black people themselves are incapable of conceiving of their own experience on a large enough conceptual level to make a movie out of it.

  80. In my estimation a renaissance man is qualified in both the left and right brain activities. Michelangelo and Leonardo are the two classical examples…seeing him in a self-portrait that is slipped into the corner of one of his panoramas, he is very much hardscrabble and craggyfaced, a rough-looking character

    Once read a fascinating book on the history of the top 50 all-around minds in Western History and it suggested that geniuses of that kind of magnitude were almost always apeshit crazy in private life. Bad hygiene or bizarre personal habits would be a frequent by-product, along with all sorts of unwarranted paranoia or a persecution complex. They’re just wired differently. The extreme d-baggery of a well-known jerk like Steve Jobs would pale in comparison.

  81. You watch by the way. Two or three years from now, that genre.

    Take it to the bank, it will be. It is one of those ideas that is too ripe.

    The problems in its execution, as laid out above, remain. Who is going to be able to write it. Blacks and jews will have to work together. But jews will fuck it up. Realistically it will have to done with blacks and whites working together. As a team of writers. A white writer, to put it in a holistic framework, and some real gangsters to keep it real. And no jews to ruin it. Mel Gibson, let’s talk.

  82. A financially profitable market for the visual propagation of the “real life of modern blacks” DOES NOT EXIST.

  83. a persecution complex

    They used to allow for what were called eccentrics. Eccentrics were appreciated for their contributions, but these days there isn’t the surplus social capital that allows for them.

    Now those people are strictly unwanted and feared.

  84. A financially profitable market for the visual propagation of the “real life of modern blacks” DOES NOT EXIST.

    There’s a financial aspect. And it stems from blacks having such narrow but predictable tastes in many areas. As a result it’s difficult to support decent chain grocery stores, banks or even mid-level table service restaurants as an area gets increasingly black. Check out the ads during NBA games and you can see the limitations – you can only carry a finite number of simultaneous ads for fast food joints, escalades and sodas being hawked by tiny little jive-talking dolls.

    Yeah, there’s a lot of things that blacks find fascinating and exotic about themselves that just don’t interest other people at all. (check out BET or the now-defunct UPN, which once seemed on the verge of giving a TV show to every black person in America). Black people don’t even add any interesting content that could interest sympathetic whites to view their social media, studies have shown that even the most SWPL of negrophile whites has no association with blacks online. And the reason that blacks invent the crazy names is they really do find themselves mysterious and alluring and they want something to signify that. And white people aren’t very interested in the daily life of Hispanics, either, but Latinos don’t whine about it and demand entertainment set-asides because they know how to defer to their betters.

    Additionally, black people don’t honestly portray anything about themselves, partly because they lack objectivity and perspective. And this makes for repetitive, predictable stories that rarely go beyond self-promotion or base glorification.

    And do blacks anywhere really have much in the way of their stand-alone identity in this modern world? They have a completely derivative existence that requires proximity or relationship to the white man to have relevance. Even black people don’t want to see anything out of equatorial Africa now, you’ve got an MSNBC full of pan-Africanist “cultural experts” who deride the whites man’s culture but how many of bother to actually learn an African language.

    When I coached basketball I’d often hear stuff like “Hip Hop rules this country” and black kids don’t mean it figuratively, they actually believe it on some funny level. You can’t explain to them that Hip Hop’s real economic accomplishment is making thousands of producers, record execs and industry employees wealthy, while making only a tiny handful of actual rappers rich. A scary percentage of young “aspiring rappers” inhabit this laughable fantasy world that comes straight off the cover of a Hip Hop album, they’ll be the ones the media shows posing with guns and small wads of cash in Facebook photos after they get deep-sixed by police while committing some crime.

    And White folks have no desire to see programming about Tyler Perry’s crossdressing sistahs or HBCU kids having a suspenseful step show summit, but if aliens in space could pick up our Hollywood movies from afar they’d surely think that black skin confers superhuman qualities in fighting, law enforcement, driving, soldiering, engineering and piloting spaceships since virtually all leading action roles are going to blacks now. I don’t think Hollywood is even bothering to make any more movies depicting a white president. And we sure do see a HUGE amount of black colonels, generals and FBI agents on TV but I can’t believe that blacks are even 3-5% of these professions in real life.

  85. They used to allow for what were called eccentrics. Eccentrics were appreciated for their contributions, but these days there isn’t the surplus social capital that allows for them.

    Yeah, good point. I hadn’t considered that but it does make a great deal of sense.

    In prior generations those socially awkward eccentrics were still able to marry, and thus pass on their genes. Our modern hypergamy suggests that an ever increasing number of them will not going do so going forward.

  86. MadMax: First time I heard that song. Brutal lyrics.

    Camlost: It’s like the major races really are different species, nevermind the fertile hybrid offspring. Different realities altogether. If you haven’t read my early post “White Guilt” check out Dr. Livingstone’s description of Africans there.

    As to the original post, I was doing some reading about German occupation in France, and it was more harsh than I thought. One source wrote that the occupant rooted out resistance fighters in a village by killing large numbers of rounded-up men, with SS squads dedicated to this. I’ve been familiar with German brutality in occupied Poland (my late grandparents had some stories) but was surprised to read about some of that also occurring in occupied western countries. This puts the “Krautsharks” in an even worse light.

  87. IIRC, the Germans simply announced to the public that they’d be taking large numbers of completely uninvolved French citizens as hostages to deter resistance activity. For that reason popular support for the resistance was divided for quite some time, until Germany started stationing big numbers of Axis soldiers in both zones.

    It now shocks me that France is so liberal about large-scale immigration after their time being occupied. Having had a French minor I can tell you that “collabo” period was a background in much of the later literature France produced, guess they’ve gone soft now. And Spain has gone from like a few thousand to nearly 800K Moroccan immigrants in only a generation, guess they’ve forgotten the centuries of work it took to get the Moors kicked out in the first place.

  88. Suburban_Elk Both descriptions are getting into what the female is experiencing, and such experience will include a range of emotions and feelings, including fear and desire, which often go together.
    Either description can be characterized as an “excuse” but such characterization is in the mind of the person doing the characterizing.

    The Christian Century for December 5, 1945 reported “the American provost marshal, Lieutenant Colonel Gerald F. Beane, said that rape presents no problem for the military police because a bit of food, a bar of chocolate, or a bar of soap seem to make rape unnecessary. Think that over, if you want to understand the situation in Germany.”

    Those women were under duress. Those women have an “excuse”. Their homes had been bombed into oblivion and their men imprisoned or slaughtered. They were, cold, starving, homeless, and helpless.
    The War Brides syndrome (http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/03/war-brides/) served a function to ensure their survival, and was correctly used for what it was evolved for.
    The Nazis executed their rapists. In contrast to the unnecessarily vicious and cruel Allied occupation, the Vichy regime was an unjust and exploitative foreign occupation, but was vastly more civilized and humane. While I am not a WWII buff, I suspect the French collaborators, like modern white mudsharks, were engaging in the War Brides syndrome as a vice. I stand to be corrected on this.
    “The larger point is that women being threatened (under duress) is crucial to the case of genocide upon white people. If it can be established that women are under duress in their mate selection, the case for genocide is made.
    If the case for White Genocide is being made from delusional white-knight fantasies, that discredits it. As soon as one learns anything about Game your explanation of White Genocide becomes laughable.

    Women today have TOTAL choice to do whatever they want. They are NOT forced into anything they don’t like. It’s hard to accept that that’s actually the problem, but it is.
    I’ll give you my case for WG some other time.

    “But saying that white women are under duress does not save face at all, it loses face.
    If we had face, our women would not be under duress. It is shameful that our women are under duress.

    You’re operating from a traditionalist paradigm that is no longer valid as White women have rejected it by their own choice.
    White man comes home from a long days work to walk in on his wife getting a 3-way from a Negro, a Muslim and a Mexican. After he pulls out his shotgun and they scamper off, she explains that she was “under duress”.

    It is already clear that we as a people have chosen to be pussies who have allowed our nations and our women to be conquered and occupied. As we type our women and our nations are already taking it in the birth canal, anus, and oral cavity. We have already lost face by virtue of the situation. Does assuming the best for their honor and your pride, that they are “under duress,” in contravention of common sense, save you face or lose it?

    “I don’t think that women are accountable for their behavior.”
    https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M524f5cb8313a5e7412bbb618c4688d99o0&w=300&h=197&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0
    No, in our society women are not held to account for their behavior. Indeed, it has gotten so bad that they now viciously protest “slut shaming.” They seek to condemn any man who would pass any judgement at all upon their behavior, even for making our own mating choices. In a power-drunken swagger of delusion they are seriously making a power-grab so outrageous as to demand the impunity of their SMV’s to the consequences of R-selected sexual choices, as if such a thing were possible. The ludicrous-on-its-face presumption that any judgment for their behavior is an attempt to justify rape on a societal scale, is merely an exponential escalation resulting from our failure to pass ANY of their meta-scale shit tests for like 6 generations.

    “How can they be held accountable for behavior which is evolved into them?”
    How can a person with a vagina be held accountable for hypergamy-gone-apeshit?

    The same way we can hold a 600-pound individual who requires government funded care-aids to come to their home and bathe them accountable for their hunger.

    The same way we can hold a sub-80 IQ African accountable for beating a White woman into a bloody mess and raping the shit out of her for his lust.
    https://youtu.be/x_ZEKoOfC5A .
    The same way we can hold Black Lives Matter activists who commit “revenge” killings against Whites accountable for their anger.

    Hypergamy, hunger, lust, and rage are all necessary drives that evolved to help us to survive and successfully reproduce.

    But being a civilized human means being expected by virtue of upbringing and temperament to keep our natural drives under a reasonable degree of control, and to at least try to choose to use them correctly for their function. If these creatures can be held accountable for their natural drives, even if they aren’t, surely a European-blooded female can as well.

  89. It now shocks me that France is so liberal about large-scale immigration after their time being occupied. […]. And Spain …

    It’s as though while we’re focusing on the brutality of the Germans and the Soviets, America (the war’s biggest victor) has had a downright diabolical effect on the Europe. Wherever Germans occupied, there they were resisted. Wherever the Soviets occupied, there life went on. But American influence brought with it irresistible social destruction in every facet of life — demographics, culture, morality, art, every fucking thing. I now agree with Putin that the 1989 collapse of the Warsaw Pact was a geopolitical disaster.

  90. Nikcrit: Well, ok, if you want to be swinging for the fences each and every time one references societal norms and context. Rather, I was merely being conversational within the realm that “they didn’t ‘own’ those women, hence, they weren’t ‘their’ women within cited sovereign Vichy state..
    I’m afraid I don’t understand. I understand that a woman is an independent entity; we don’t “own” our wives, mothers and daughters, but they are still “ours”.
    “Phi, I agree with elk on his points of unfeasibility in your view; me thinks you’re putting bits of subjective bitterness in views that aspire toward objectivity.”
    I accept this possibility, but fail to be convinced by the arguments provided thus far.

  91. So do we know the real story of the French women in the photos? Were they indeed raped? Deflowered under duress, threats or some other compulsion? Willing supporters of the occupation or Vichy regimes?

    Also, in war time you have weak people who feel like it’s time to pay some people back – they may turn informer for a pack of cigarettes or a few supplies, when others seem to tighten their belt and survive.

    The Nazis surely did not ravage France as badly as other areas. And most action was confined to Paris area and far North, from the channel to the borders of the low countries. The landing to liberate Southern France was actually quite large but the Germans retreated somewhat quickly to the safety of the mountains near Italian Swiss border as they had supply and communications issues caused partly by the skillful work of the resistance.

  92. thordaddy: “I have yet to look into the Donald’s handling of The Litmus Test and so his degree of pathological deracination is still unclear.”
    Something tells me I should know this, but refer me to what the “Litmus Test” is.
    “We have crossed a critical threshold in which most “whites” DESIRE […] an annihilation they can take pride in and hold their head high with a sense of “supremacy.” So the “genocide” meme ONLY RESONATES with those in DENIAL concerning the above reality.”
    This idea frightens me. I can’t really believe that any man wants to see his people destroyed. For women I get it; to be conquered by another race fulfills a hypergamous desire to breed with superior males.
    But the cucks, I attributed their behavior solely to cowardice. But that doesn’t explain the behavior of the goyishe elite. I don’t understand this….

    I fear you are on to something I don’t want to see.

  93. The same way we can hold a 600-pound individual who requires government funded care-aids to come to their home and bathe them accountable for their hunger.

    Dude you have just triggered me so bad I’m considering taking a “personal day” at work tomorrow to deal with this trauma in my safe space.

    Throughout college I worked as a home health aid for several of the these Jabba the Hutts, but instead of Tatooine I worked in Detroit. My duties essentially were to perform certain personal hygiene tasks that after a certain BMI, can no longer be performed without intervention of the state (AKA wiping your enormous ass checks after you shit).

  94. PA:
    “But American influence brought with it irresistible social destruction in every facet of life — demographics, culture, morality, art, every fucking thing.”

    Something about us, everywhere, was weak, and vulnerable. We were missing something.
    One’s vision of the solution will vary with one’s evaluation of where we failed. It disturbs me greatly, that I don’t know. That really bothers me. I fancy myself a White Nationalist intellectual, and cannot answer this most important of questions. I like to believe it was a shared vision for the future, which is why NS. This is our answer to progressivism that conservatives cannot provide. I could be wrong. As such I postulated the absence of heroic values.

    But I worry I may have blinders on that I only see the causes of problems that NS thinking is developed to solve. When one’s only tool is a hammer/vagina, every problem starts to look like a nail/rape.

    I’m missing something. I know it.

  95. In other news, if you thought the thousands of White women responding to the events in Cologne by protesting against “racism and sexism” in a display of blaming White men while excusing the refugees was an isolated phenomenon, you were wrong.

    I understand the biological need to protect women, to provide for them and to meet their needs. As they do to children. But they don’t want it. They’re not grateful. They don’t care. It hurts so goddamn much. I wanted to be that for someone so fucking badly, I know. I know if fucking hurts. It fucking HURTS.

    They aren’t interested in playing that role for us.

    It’s time for us to step back and see the situation for what it is. After 50 years of ultimatums and being given everything they demanded, they have only become progressively bolder in their disloyalty, toward a trajectory which will soon be almost comical. If our race survives, in a million years, we will never live down this shame.

    You have betrayed me, lied to me on a mass societal scale about EVERYTHING, censored and denied the truth about yourselves, taken liberty with my good faith, exploited me, humiliated me, took everything important away from me, and made me the laughing stock of the world long enough.

    White men everywhere, internalize this shit.
    #NotYourWoman – heh. ~5000 women is what percent of the population of all women in Sweden?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OQPQzG3d6U .

    This guy is just starting to get it. Beta males aren’t “people” whose experience is legitimate.

    We can not win them over by “rescuing” them.

    They would rather be raped by Muslims.
    Digest this. Accept it.
    It’s time to kill the White Knight and embrace the darkness.

    Now.
    Who the
    fuck
    are
    we?

  96. Heretic Phi…

    The Litmus Test is for any white male seeking to usurp the Liberal “order” and it consists of affirming and reconfirmimg to a collective audience that said usurper is indeed a “white supremacist.” The hilarious irony of the Romney attack of Trump is that Romney was just the last hope of the “white supremacists” to turn this tide. And now Trump is the new ally of “white supremacy.” But the reality is that “white supremacy” is the mechanism iby which “greater” liberal attempts to annihilate lesser liberal with both public approval and total impunity.

  97. My duties essentially were to perform certain personal hygiene tasks that after a certain BMI, can no longer be performed without intervention of the state (AKA wiping your enormous ass checks after you shit).

    That has to be up there with coal miner and tax collector, as the all time worst job ever.

  98. If our race survives, in a million years, we will never live down this shame.

    I know this is hyperbole, but in a million years we are going to be gone.

    It is grandiose to think beyond the foreseeable future. The absolute most that can be reckoned with is a few generations.

    There is that old Indian proverb that has come into common cultural consciousness, about Seven Generations. It was once Northeast American Indian wisdom and now it is used to sell green dish detergent, because those creative advertising people are so cutting edge.

    I used to think that we ought to want to go to the stars, but that is grandiose and delusional. It is a modern myth that Greer has dealt with at length, under the more general topic of Techno Narcissism.

    Why should we want to go the stars, when there is this custom designed planet that is effectively paradise, right here under our feet, but instead we are going to turn this place into a expansive shithole fit for cockroaches and rats, and grey people with 25 year life expectancy.

  99. I am not much in disagreement with Heretic Phi and his rants on women and their devil nature. Yeah i know they are terrible, those creatures with the smug faces and evil vaginas, see for example the one holding the photoshopped sign, with the mousey hair and the scrunched neck and shoulders and face.

    That the sign is photoshopped is not a gotcha! argument. It originally read “will trade racists for refugees” which is just as bad, and goes to the same point.

    But i pointed this out about that picture the first time, and tell me if you don’t agree. Isn’t it clear, just looking at that girl’s face, that girl who if not for her youth is a 6 out of 10, and with her youth is a 7 – isn’t it clear that she is not being fucked well enough and hard.

    Look at that tension in how head rests upon her shoulders. It makes me sore just seeing it. Oh the ravages of feminism!

    Girls that age – she wants to be starting her family, and having vagina adventures, but instead she is being made to go to school and study shit from books and all that is this dry stuff in the head and leaves her dry down below, and she screaming out and crying alone at night and in the day making signs and awful scrunched-up smugface.

  100. So the debate last night. I could only handle it for about 20 minutes before it became too stress inducing.

    The format of it, for starters. The venue with its bright blue color scheme and flashing lights, could it be any less dignified. And the moderators, Megyn Kelly needs no comment, that smug bitch about whom whenever she is around the story is about her – actually she seemed to have bounced back from her drubbing.

    And then the lead guy with his gayface eelmouth. Prissface. Chris Wallace. Not as prissface as Lindsey Graham, but pretty bad. The other guy, the third guy up there, didn’t look like a liberal faggot, so i guess Fox is trying not to be too gay. His name is Bret Baier and has some classical looks so good for him.

    So i couldn’t watch, the format with its dingdong interruptions, and Rubio and Cruz and their concerted attacks.

    That Rubio appeals to anyone is unbelievable.

    However with Cruz i have to admit that his slickness is believable, he could have been a preacher down on the 700 Club.

  101. Trump having to stand up there and be the subject of those attacks.

    That is what we do to someone who would defend us, subject him to likes of Kelly and Prissface Wallace, and put him between twin Cuban buttfuckers, and ask him to defend himself.

    America, how much less dignity can you comport.

  102. Cam: “you’ve got an MSNBC full of pan-Africanist “cultural experts” who deride the whites man’s culture but how many of bother to actually learn an African language.”

    Yes, I crack up watching Melissa Harris Perry’s panel on weekends; brings back memories, as they’re the type i was surrounded by in grad school…… just fyi, there’re many black-bougies who laugh that shit off, but wtf can you do? That’s the crowd through which i get my professional movement. I recall discussing this with PA at OneSTDV. People have to make somewhat cynical compromises all the time. Society is predicated upon that fact. I mean, are the people who come here the type who’re going to hire me? They would deny my transcending and barrier-bouncing talents merely to make a point against affirmative action, being the resentful racists that they truly are!!!

  103. That has to be up there with coal miner and tax collector, as the all time worst job ever.

    Lol! Yeah it was really godawful – luckily just a college gig that I was able to parlay into a much, much better profession. Now that I’m sitting in the catbird seat so to speak I can look back on my ass wiping days with a certain fondness with the knowledge of what a truly crappy (lol) job is like.

    Sorry for the crudeness of that previous comment btw… I had a couple craft cocktails that were a bit stronger than I anticipated.

  104. And this makes for repetitive, predictable stories that rarely go beyond self-promotion or base glorification.

    Did you by chance watch any episodes of Empire? I couldn’t make it through the first season. So ham fisted and predictable.

  105. Well, he’s about to get a lot more busy. Once Hollywood gets finished groveling before the #Oscarssowhite crowd we will surely see 3 or 4 new Oscar categories set aside strictly for black movies. That’s the only solution I can foresee, and I’m enjoying every minute of seeing Hollywood squirm. PC is so out of control now that I can’t recall even a single prominent Director even making a half-hearted attempt to argue that blacks are actually quite over-represented in front of the camera in both TV and film, they just all bent over and took the reaming.

    #OscarsSoWhite my ass. I’m sick of blacks stomping their feet and crying racism whenever they don’t win something they think deserve. So Will Smith didn’t win best actor for his Nigerian accent in Concussion. Boo Hoo!

  106. There’s an administrator I know who recently retired who did his PhD dissertation on the movie “Superfly.” He taught at a area community college for nearly 20 years

    Here is the bio of Melissa Click, the Mizzou journalism professor who was recently fired for threatening violence against a reporter who was violating a campus “safe space” during the poopswastika protest of 2015:

    Her research interests center on popular culture texts and audiences, particularly texts and audiences disdained in mainstream culture. Her work in this area is guided by audience studies, theories of gender and sexuality, and media literacy. Current research projects involve 50 Shades of Grey readers, the impact of social media in fans’ relationship with Lady Gaga, masculinity and male fans, messages about class and food in reality television programming, and messages about work in children’s television programs.”

    It seems like no one wants to teach the humanities with any rigor anymore. It’s become a fragmented mess of PC conceits, replete with “safe spaces” and “trigger warnings.” This is one of the reasons why I stuck with the sciences in undergrad and beyond, though I still maintain a strong interest in the arts and humanities. One of the reasons I love reading and commenting on these blogs is that I can get a very broad perspective of ideas from some very, very smart people, free of the constraints of the PC cant that seems to infect every avenue of inquiry these days…. I have to hand it to you though, despite your lack of scientific training you are open to understanding human behavior in biological terms. I’ve noticed a lot educated people with your background have a blind spot when it comes to that, they default to explaining everything as a “social construct” or some nonsense they pull out of thin air.

  107. I’d be interested in your collective thoughts regarding Pope Francis’ recent statements regarding the Arab Invasion, which he openly acknowledges as a “social fact.”

    http://bit.ly/1pqxDMs

    I have provided a link to a translation of an Italian article about the pontiff’s visit with a group of French Christians. His statements are bit shocking as he seems to drop quite a bit of red pill real talk that could resemble a discussion on this blog, though of course with a more conciliatory tone.

    Here’s a couple key quotes, but it’s worth reading in full.

    “There’s something that bothers me,” the Pope said. “Of course, globalization unites us and thus has positive aspects. But I think there are good and less good globalization. The less good can be represented by a sphere: every person is equal distance from the center. This first scheme separates man from himself, the uniformizza and eventually prevents him to express himself freely. The best globalization would be quite a polyhedron. All are united, but every people, every nation, retains its identity, its culture, its wealth. The stakes for me is this good globalization, which allows us to keep what defines us. This second vision of globalization allows to unite people while preserving their uniqueness, which favors dialogue, mutual understanding.”

    ***

    “The only continent that can bring some unity to the world is Europe,” the Pope added. “China has perhaps a more ancient culture, more profound. But only Europe has a vocation of universality and of service. ” Francis returns then on the theme of his speech in Strasbourg, on 25 November 2014, when he compared Europe to a grandmother a little ‘tired. “But here is the mother became a grandmother” sorridecon a hint of irony. I think of the biblical stories, the old Sarah who laughs when he learns that gets pregnant. The question may seem strange, but I can not not do it. It’s too late? Grandma can once again become a young mother? “A head of state I have already asked this question,” replies the Pope. “Yes, it can. But under certain conditions. Spain and Italy have a birth rate close to zero. France gets along better because he built a family policy that encourages the birth. Being a mother means having children. ” But the renewal is not only quantitative. “If Europe wants to rejuvenate, he must rediscover their cultural roots. Of all the Western countries, Europe has the stronger and deeper roots. Through colonization, these roots have even reached the new world. But forgetting its own history, Europe weakens. It is then that risks becoming an empty place. “

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  109. PA,

    I wrote a very short article about your blog (in portuguese), as I said there, I am impressed by how well you choose images in your blog posts. Hope I can send you some more readers, your blog is one of the Manosphere’s best.

    Daniel.

  110. MGE,
    I found some of those passages of the pope’s speech surprising because I’ve read some other recent quotes of his involving illegal immigration from Mexico that was very, very ‘blue pill’ —- or, ‘blue-pill parodic’ you might even say.
    Part of me is cynical enough to think such a contradiction is just one of the many ways the pope is mindful of the demo. Think about it, he can venture some ‘red-pill’ tough love and pro-ethno-national identity when speaking of muslims , who are neither catholics or potential Catholic converts, yet he outright gushes blue-pill platitudes about every illegal entrant to this country when speaking of the Mexican peasantry who comprise the Catholic hordes.

    Mexico and South and Central American countries are the Vatican’s only growing demos.

  111. However with Cruz i have to admit that his slickness is believable, he could have been a preacher down on the 700 Club.

    lol, well said, that is right on point.

    Having watched that program a lot your description fits they way I’ve been feeling about Rubio, but couldn’t quite describe myself.

    He clearly isn’t a strong intellect, but doesn’t lack the intelligence he needs to pull of his his schtick – a polished and quite manufactured persona who hits all the right GOP buzzwords but performs poorly when any discussion goes off-track. If he was brighter he’d probably be less effective at his presentation because he’d be more self-aware of how robotic he can sometimes look. At the end of the day he just lacks some quality, maybe “sincerity” is the term I’m seeking. It’s almost as if he’s gotten good at reading a script that he really isn’t smart enough to fully grasp himself, but he’s just gotten good at the delivery part of it through huge volumes of rehearsal.

  112. I now agree with Putin that the 1989 collapse of the Warsaw Pact was a geopolitical disaster.

    It was a demographic and spiritual disaster for core America, that’s for sure. Removing conflict, conformism and competition has been toxic for the West. The disarmament of Japan had a similar effect on them, but fortunately for my mama’s people they still stubbornly hold on to their evil and antiquated belief that Japan should be for the Japanese.

  113. Did you by chance watch any episodes of Empire? I couldn’t make it through the first season. So ham fisted and predictable.

    Nah, had no desire to watch since I knew it would be about as trite and hackneyed as the lyrical themes in Lil Wayne’s next album. But it’s probably good for Terence Howard that he got some new work, he costed himself $10M million+ dollars when he did something to piss off Robert Downey Jr. and got himself replaced by Don Cheadle as Colonel Rhoades in the Iron Man franchise. (and there’s lots lots lots of black colonels in the US military, you know)

    Just looked it up and a whopping 61 percent of Empire’s viewing audience is black:

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/28/media/empire-blackish-murder/

    Goes back to my earlier point about blacks having the most narrow tastes and behavior of any people on the planet. And 61% black viewership is an absolute dream for the right advertisers – McDonalds, Sprite, DeVry and Cadillac, not so great for ScottTrade, Sandals Resorts or Hooked on Phonics. The Democratic Party will surely pay for ad time this spring, too.

  114. I am not much in disagreement with Heretic Phi and his rants on women and their devil nature.

    I don’t understand what people are expecting from women, seriously. They’re freaking women. And women are still doing what they’re told, they always do. They’re still conformists and empty vessels with very little agency. You don’t sit a toddler down in a room full of mousetraps.

    Please take out a map and point to a decent, livable area that evolved without stringent patriarchy and instead relied on the good choices and strong resolution shown by women.

    Most of what we regard as culture, civilization, law, politics, religion, society or family developed to achieve one thing – to keep women from making bad decisions. So, if weak, deluded women are making the obviously poor choice of mudsharking, then one or more of these above ^^^ components of Western patriarchy has failed. Even Western Women have never made good decisions, they never have and they never will. And they’re not supposed to, they aren’t even mentally wired for any kind of important judgment or objectivity. Check the very common sight of mercurial female managers that are simply overmatched in strategy-oriented positions in the corporate world.

    You don’t know women very well if you’re upset about bad results after dumping a lot of unfettered freedom, media propaganda and access to social safety nets on them.

    _______

    The collaborator issue is completely separate. Your ability to form a strong resistance is partly a test of the average character, conformism, quality and unity of your entire group. Highly successful guerilla movements like the Viet Minh or the Maquis of France were powered by stern discipline, brains and an iron will across a wide spectrum of the population. Of course a few weak-willed women will cross over, and a lot of other miserable, bottom-feeding people with a grudge will see collaboration as their one chance to profit or Lord it over other people.

    But if your have any organized degree of resistance movement then you probably have a pretty cohesive society and ethnic fabric, and the vast majority of women will rightfully fall in line and do as they’re told as long as you actually have expectations of some sort.

  115. Camlost…

    READ what you are contributing to the Narrative which is now open-sourced and under relentless editing. You are deconceptualizing (white) “woman” to the point of total oblivion. Practically, referencing every (white) female as (white) “woman” is to render the ideal of real white woman null and void. In our radically liberated society chock full of radically liberated females (hetero –> dyke), REAL white
    WOMAN barely exists. It must be so OR “we” lie and exaggerate the degree to which we suffer from this pathological Liberalism. What’s it going to be?

  116. Camlost…

    High IQ “white” males either author ideal white women back into the Narrative using all the creative persuasion that he can spiritually manifest or he CONTINUES to dive deeper into the de facto homo “lifestyle” and the inevitable self-annihilation which validates its desire. In other words, if you deny your origin and mandate a final entropy then your immediate first choice is self-annihilation. So now one can “endeavor” to self-annihilate IN ACCORDANCE to one’s “meta-physical” assumption, ie., belief in General Entropy… Er, there is only realistically an “end” and desire desires “end” now.

  117. O.T. tangent from earlier: Did you by chance watch any episodes of Empire? I couldn’t make it through the first season. So ham fisted and predictable.

    Nah, I had seen all the promos when it first came out. Didn’t watch the actual episodes but was sort-of curious when i saw how popular the show got. (I was out to eat with someone on the night of the finale climax episode —— and the wait and cook staff actually forgot about us and the other customers for fifteen minutes or so to watch the big confrontational final scene in which Terence Howard confesses his chain of loyalties and deceits in succession. I guess it’s ratings were record-setting in this day and age; they were comparing that episode’s numbers with that of the famous finale of “Dallas” decades back..

    Btw, while we’re talking pop-cult-fluff, I’ve checked out the first several episodes of that FX series “the People vs. OJ Simpson;’ to my surprise, it’s quite impressive. The writing and dialogue are very, very good —- even witty and reflective in moments; also a real voice and sense of direction —– and there are guest directors for different episodes, though IDK if that’s so for every episode. it’s what a good cable-television network series can ideally do, given its advantages in terms of format and programming time and presentation; it’s a like a long, three-part move in a single season…the actors who play Johnny Cochran and Robert Shapiro, (Courtney Vance and John Travolta, respectively) are nothing less than fantastic; they both somehow give a convincing rep of their respective character roles, yet signify those two’s excesses as well… Travolta really takes it to another level here; check it out: the followign link is the entire episode 1, while four more are also available:

    http://353online.com/video-watch-the-people-v-o-j-simpson-episode-5/

  118. …the actors who play Johnny Cochran and Robert Shapiro, (Courtney Vance and John Travolta, respectively)

    Phil Morris wasn’t available?

  119. Or Johnny Cochran himself. That would be so … black. To play yourself in the reenactment of your own greatness. Now THAT is the black fantasy.

    Johnny Cochran, the man himself.

    Jokes aside, Phil Morris is too gay looking, for that role.

  120. Part of me is cynical enough to think such a contradiction is just one of the many ways the pope is mindful of the demo.

    Yeah, I’d have to reluctantly agree with you there. It took me awhile to come to that same conclusion and I fought the cynicism with everything I had. I guess even the Pope is not beyond pandering and moral vanity.
    What really raised my eyebrows was this statement, made in regard to the current Arab Invasion

    “”how many invasions has experienced Europe in the course of its history! But he has always been able to overcome herself, go ahead then they find themselves as increased by the exchange between cultures. ”

    Really? That’s a rather glib take on the Crusades (which contemporary “blue pill” scholars portray as a European imperialism when it was quite the opposite) . Do we really want to revisit that era so Europe can be “culturally enriched?” Furthermore, I honestly don’t think Europe would survive an Islamic takeover. On my reading list is Hollenbeque’s “Submission,” a dystopian novel in which Europe is Islamified through sheer moral cowardice.

    I

  121. “Really? That’s a rather glib take on the Crusades (which contemporary “blue pill” scholars portray as a European imperialism when it was quite the opposite) . Do we really want to revisit that era so Europe can be “culturally enriched?” Furthermore, I honestly don’t think Europe would survive an Islamic takeover. On my reading list is Hollenbeque’s “Submission,” a dystopian novel in which Europe is Islamified through sheer moral cowardice.”

    I’m starting to realize that may be true…… For me, I think there’s an irony in play that is based in my relative ignorance: I don’t know in a day-to-day, incrementally measurable way just how p.c. contemporary Europe is becoming. But lately it’s dawning on me just how much worse p.c. pieties are there than here, even to the point of being legally encoded..

    That ignorance, coupled withi my reflexive deference to and presumption of European cultural superiority, leads me to think others know and feel the same to the point of not even having to mention it.

    But as frightening as it is, you may be right; Europe could be taken down by what myself and many others consider its lesser foe. Sometimes i think it;s funny when i take in flak at this and other alt-right sites, with the whites thinking since i’m black i’m anti-white or pro-muslim in terms of muslim aggression on whites —— which is ultimately comical because i’d much prefer white rule over Arab rule…. needless to say many think it’s outrageous that i consider much of myself ‘culturally white’ as i was raised that way and it is also in my DNA…. In any case, I was taken aback by european listlessness toward foreign cultural invasion more than ten years ago.

  122. Johnny Cochran, the man himself.
    Jokes aside, Phil Morris is too gay looking, for that role.

    IIRC, Johnny Cochran died only a small amount of time after the OJ Trail. OTOH, his woefully incompetent competition across the court, Marcia Clark, will probably outlast styrofoam while continuing to garner an endless stream of appearances as the legal “expert” on MSNBC and about a million other channels.

    Sometimes i think it;s funny when i take in flak at this and other alt-right sites, with the whites thinking since i’m black i’m anti-white or pro-muslim in terms of muslim aggression on whites —— which is ultimately comical because i’d much prefer white rule over Arab rule…

    We know you’re a liberationist militant at heart, word is you were seen leaving the meeting with a fist in the air. I’m sure they rib you quite a bit about listening to “Indie” bands, though.

  123. @camlost, hahaha. Don’t listen to much indie rock but know plenty of all stripes that do. ….. If only everyone was so predictable.

  124. Most of the French resistance were jews and they would have loved shaming those French woman who DID stand by White men. You will note they never shaved Coco Channels head, why, they weren’t brave enough. The 1940s collaborators do not compare at all with the 2016 collaborators.

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