Idle Thoughts on Popular Songs

Here are some stream-of-consciousness thoughts on various familiar pop songs. The “Annie’s Song” moment described below was as weird as it was sublime.

“Annie’s Song” by John Denver – It was a bright early spring day in Georgetown, Washington DC. I was walking toward the boathouse under the Key Bridge and a driver of a parked convertible car was playing the song very loudly, crystal clear from good speakers. Was it a vision, or a waking dream? Fled is that music:—Do I wake or sleep?

“Black” by Pearl Jam – The long outro beginning with Eddie Vedder’s growling vocals “why, why, whyyyy!” is the anguished howl of our dispossessed generation.

“Coward of the County” by Kenny Rogers – It’s not initially obvious, but the lyrics make it pretty clear that Tommy shoots and kills the Gatlin boys in the bar.

“Don’t Close Your Eyes” by Kix – From the hairband genre, the anti-suicide power ballad was popular circa 1988. A young man back then called the local rock radio station, saying that he is preparing to kill himself. The DJ talked with him, playing this song over and over until he talked him out of doing it.

“For Cryin’ Out Loud” by Meatloaf – There is a verse in which the speaker lists the good things that his woman had done for him. The line “For giving me a child / When my body is old” represents a rarely expressed theme in rock ballads, the creation of life.

“Love Bites” by Def Leppard – The melody is of the purest expressions of a teenage boy’s all-devouring longing for that one pretty face. I have nice memories that go with the song. A friend still can’t stand hearing it, a survivor of an unusually cruel object of his oneitis.

“November Rain” by Guns N Roses – One of the most reassuring lines in all of rock: “Nothing lasts forever / Even cold November rain.”

“Ol’ 55” by Tom Waits – The original 1973 Tom Waits version is bare-bones, raw, calm. The Eagles cover from the same year features a clear, melodious interpretation by Glen Fry, with Don Henley providing throatier vocals. Sarah McLachlan’s early 1990s cover is a dreamy, tired interpretation and it was my companion during my solo night drives through Kentucky and West Virginia in my early twenties.

“She Believes in Me” by Kenny Rogers – The song is about an affair. The guitar is a metaphor for the speaker’s mistress.

“So Cruel” by U2 – No other song better describes the bewilderment of a young man who digs himself deeper and deeper into the mire of a physically consummated but emotionally unrequited love.

“Stargazer” by Mother Love Bone – I find the bridge in this song very emotionally moving. It’s probably the crescendo backup vocals behind Andrew Wood’s lead vocal pathos, and the idisyncratic words that hit my buttons.

“Still the Same” by Bob Seger – This is the first song I learned to play on the guitar. My point of pride was learning the intro chords as done in the actual recording, and not a dumbed-down beginner version.

“Winds of Change” by The Scorpions – That feeling you felt in 1991 was a sense of hope because the Cold War is over and Europe is reunified, and a dread of what in retrospect was the sound of sociopaths consolidating their power.

“Wish You Were Here” by Pink Floyd – Another thing I am proud of as a late-learning guitar player is having mastered those complex intro notes to that song, the strums, picks, and Gilmour’s trademark string-bending. I’ve always held that song on a pedestal, seeing in it a mute articulation of the fact that life will cut short your dreams but you will still push and not rest.

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A common theme through some of those songs or my commentary is the teenage boy’s quest for love riding his supernova lust. Rock music is written for the very young, reflecting and helping make sense of their longing, torment, or euphoria.

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39 thoughts on “Idle Thoughts on Popular Songs

  1. I have a long post, if it is ok. I will repeat my list, and then get on topic.

    Music is always tricky, because it is so personal.

    I threw out those links to Greg Brown, on the prior thread, and re-listening to them, that is some sad shit – it is drinking music for the holidays, and for adults.

    As opposed to rock and roll, which as noted, is generally for teenagers. Bob Seger has a lot of emotional depth. Pink Floyd also has excellent lyrics. Pink Floyd was such a scene, for stoners, high in high school and thinking that they are Deep, but they were remarkably original. The Wall is something of a singular album, I don’t know that there is anything like it.

    But as for lyrical quality – Greg Brown is THE man. There is nothing like his lyrics. He has run into some problems with alcohol abuse, or so they say. He also has a reputation for slaying hearts. There is a song called 20 or So, and it starts out, “I was thinking about, my 100 oh lovers, … ” and goes onto reveal that there were only 20 or so.

    But looking at the guy’s face, it is such a combination of softness and hardness. That is enough sucking his dick, though, for now. I saw him in a concert, at the Zoo – and truthfully it was a low energy performance, and a little sad.

    Kenny Rogers and John Denver are both icons, about whom it is easy to forget how huge they were, in their day. There is a netflix on Denver that is highly recommended. It is interesting to see how John was actually an unhappy person, very moody and brooding and introverted. All that singing about the Sunlight and the Sky and Mountains – he was singing about that, because he was struggling to feel that, and not necessarily getting there. He moved to Aspen – leading the way for Harry Dunn and Lloyd Christmas – and that was part of the back to the land thing that followed the 60s, and which movement was expressing the inadequacy and frustration of the contemporary and modern urban and suburban living arrangement, which frustration has not been resolved and is part of the problem, or predicament, that white people struggle with.

    Kenny Rogers, he too had some country cred, and that was a big part of his appeal. He was the face of the Old West, with those made for television movies, and of course his songs. He had some facework done later in life, which is baffling because why?

    Both those guys can be considered part of an American tradition that was struggling to define and emerge – but which never really did, did it? Instead of getting back to the land, or staying in touch with old school Western values, such as courage and virility, those things fell away and now those voices, those artists, are looked back on as cliches, and jokes.

    It didn’t end well. For either of them. Kenny with his fast food and face work. And Denver was likely a suicide – he was an ace pilot and it is extremely unlikely that he forget to put enough gas in his plane and crashed. However that cause of death is not how it was presented.

  2. Also, completely off topic, but a general observation that is bothering me, is how these problems of White identity – how they are not going away, and how they can’t be swept under the rug.

    And furthermore, those people who would like to do so, and often have a platform to give us what for, for example NPR or NYT or take your pick – furthermore, those people and their misconception about who they are arguing with.

    For a long while, what was called WN but is more contemporarily referred to as questions of White Identity, was mockingly despised as the domain of basement dwelling losers.

    Well i like to talk about my problems, because i have a lot of them – and also i see them as examples of how this society has fucked me – and i see that they are part and parcel of a pattern – and it is helpful for me personally, to place them in a larger context.

    The most obvious problem of all, well i have gone into those problems before, and they ARE a little bit taboo. They have to do with the ritual of circumcision, and questions of who is responsible for raising a boy and turning him into a young man, and how are difficulties are going to be addressed and resolved. It is not like i have any mental health issues, or can offer any perspective on that – because i am a basement dwelling loser! (not literally, but figuratively a fair statement).

    It is a good example of a platform problem, and a catch-22, and it is also an embedded example of the larger theme of ethnogenesis, and how White People, White Americans say for instance – how will they be able to define themselves and their culture – ex nihilo, out of nothing? when such cultural genesis requires some framework. Or maybe it just needs courage?

    But as i have said, here and elsewhere – the basement dwelling WN specimen, is no longer typical. In prior times, people and young white men who were frustrated with themselves and their lives, might look to what was missing in their culture and their background and their upbringing, for some explanation. And yes, of course their own failings are part of that equation – but at the same time it can’t be written off as that simple.

    They would like to write us off, however, of course. The Big Story about the surge of untimely deaths, for white American males – that is the larger trend. I see it personally in alcohol abuse, which is rampant, among the older demographics of this suburb.

    But those people who would write us off – they are not seeing the Big Picture, that now, it’s a LOT of people who are frustrated, and ANGRY – and what are they going to do? are they all going to drink themselves to death? probably not.

    But anywaze i have a hard time, figuring out, how “they” can so entirely misread the Sea Change that is well in the works. On the one hand, that is there job, to misread, but on the other hand, maybe they just are not that sharp.

    The idea that they are not that sharp, is reflected so often in the comments sections – where the race realist crowd is simply better at expressing their positions, with words and symbols – and yet They are not realizing what that means. Why is it that the better and smarter folks, feel one way, and the others feel another.

    I interpret that question in terms of animal behavior – that those people just don’t want to fight – but it is not that simple, because i don’t want to fight either, … but they are setting it up so that there is no choice. What a disaster, what a disgrace. How thoughtless malevolent and bereft of dignity.

  3. LMAO & FWIW,

    I feel like a jaded grinch when I sit back and read all your comments about pop music. I get real cog-diss, when i read Sub_elk and PA discuss racial or political matters with panache and seasoned aplumb —– but then get sucker-punched when they start waxing all rhapsodic and reverent over, say, John Denver and Kenny Rogers and Def friggin’ Leppard, for God’s sake?

    PA in particular —– and i think it has something to do with an innocence bestowed by his being an immigrant —— almost charms me in how he can enjoy adolescent pop music with a fully engaged lack of self-consciousness; then he goes into these deep and reverent intellectual deconstructions of ‘Wish you Were Here’, lolzzz.

    I learned an important vocational maxim in my first professional career: it’s best to do something for a living that you like —- NOT that you love (because eventually you’ll wind up saying ‘once loved.’). For anyone who ever did professional journalism or formatted writing of any sort, there’s a very peculiar but exquisite pain one can endure if they somehow find themself having to produce thoughtful, well-researched and convincing opinion about something that they honestly no longer care about. Ouch!

  4. Suburban_elk: “those people just don’t want to fight – but it is not that simple, because i don’t want to fight either, … but they are setting it up so that there is no choice.”

    Good way of putting it. It’s like they want there to be no choice, because fighting will only make it worse. Sticking with the pop culture theme, there was that Mars invasion movie with Tom Cruise in 2005 — “War of the Worlds.” Martians are ancient buried pods that suddenly sprout and devour people. Spielberg made it plainly clear that resistance is bad: the survivalist guy in whose basement Cruise was hiding, and national guard troops with the Humvees.

  5. The idea that they are not that sharp, is reflected so often in the comments sections – where the race realist crowd is simply better at expressing their positions, with words and symbols – and yet They are not realizing what that means. Why is it that the better and smarter folks, feel one way, and the others feel another.

    I interpret that question in terms of animal behavior – that those people just don’t want to fight – but it is not that simple, because i don’t want to fight either, … but they are setting it up so that there is no choice. What a disaster, what a disgrace. How thoughtless malevolent and bereft of dignity.

    I think they’re not jibing with your sense of being under siege because there isn’t a consensus. think of how self-reifying your interpretation is: only the smart, perceptive people are the wn people? And who is the ‘they’ setting things up for violent confrontation? Is maybe part of it that we’re just gettting older, in which cultural alienation is sort of a expected and even dignified rite of passage? And doesn’t recent history put things in a possibly less desperate context; i mean, during good economic times in the 90s, there wasn’t much wn doomsday scenario forecasting because everyone felt more secure; will that comfort not return when the next bubble comes? As for white unity itself: consider where it was in 1900 to where it was in 2000. There’s your sea change.

    I think at times the white penchant and gift for multi-literary level thinking sometimes succumbs to solipsism and self-pity; find ways to presume the position of the alien mind and then reconsider your view.

  6. Why can’t a serious thinker also enjoy subjective musings about pop music?

    He can. I wasn’t saying it was wrong, really; more that I sort-of envied the impulse but find that i can’t really summon the same urge and indulgence, probably beause; of overexposure and having conflated such pleasure for work for so many years.

    I’ve been thinking about music a lot in recent years, i think because of some points raised and discussed amongst us at SOBL’s blog; in one of my response’s i had noted how A) the main formats for pop-music mag pieces i did have radically changed or no longer exist; and B) much of the actual music we processed literally has entirely transformed from analog production (bass-drums-guitars-keyboards-and-vocals, etc.; to a digitalized form of composition in which the ‘art’ involved is entirely a production-studio process and the nuance is in the post-production tweaking, e.g., your typical Katie Perry song, among a bah-zillion other contemporary examples.
    And then there’s the whole atomization of pop entertainment thing going on —– how there’s now much less communal celebration of pop personality and cult (if overall MORE pop flotsam and jetsom, period!)

    By my lights, I.T. and digital technology writ large has created a lot of wild and unintended cultural changes; not just in the means of production but also the appetite for content; we now have at our fingertips any book, song or movie —– but our appetites are glutted. And now that everyone and anyone who can compose or write or hold a camera does so, and puts his or her product out on youtube, we no longer can indulge the romantic notion that there’s a limited but enticing supply of artistic products; the lowering of the barriers to entry kills that roimantic notion entirely, and the consumers in on the fact there’s a ‘poverty of abudnance’ when it comes to professional artistic ‘content.’

    I think this is what accounts for the subtle but everpresent melancholy that seems to define early 21st-century culture —– a hollow echo couched with the airy nausea of glut.

  7. First of all, it’s not WN, it is White Identity. As i said in the original post, WN is outdated, and it is a question of White Identity.

    I think that change in nomenclature right there is a concession to political reality – that a separate White Nation is difficult to advocate for, whereas White Identity is reasonable to advocate for.

    I am sympathetic to WN – it is a primary tenant of white advocacy, after all – but politics being the art of the practical, it makes no sense to advocate for war.

    I will not address nikcrit’s criticisms, because it is a lost cause. I have stated my points with a fair degree of summary, and if he doesn’t get them, or disagrees, that is up to him.

    His insistence on WN rather than White Identity, says it all, really – he missed the point entirely. He does that out of his own need to not get it, that the Sea Change is that ALL white people worth a damn, are tired of this shite! it ain’t rocket science, but there are those who will insist that the only White folks are don’t complain about the present arrangement, are losers.

    That is not the case. Like i said, it is the BETTER sort who are not satisfied. I can’t continue to repeat this, and deal with the same old objections, year after year.

    nikcrit – we all know that everyone makes concessions to contemporary political reality and the situation in which we find ourselves. Anyone working in the city or for the gov or anything to do with the Great Satan, knows about concessions to the multi-cult.

    Those concessions are part of “animal behavior” – and a more docile animal is more ok with those concessions.

    nikcrit – Reread that 50 times. Reread it another 50. Get it?

    People, and white people, will smile and make do, and make the best of it. That does not mean that they are ok with it. The STRONGER, the BETTER and SMARTER ones, want more for themselves, and they want more for their children, and they WILL NOT have their children wasting their time and energy competing with blacks and browns.

    Those who are willing to let their children mix, don’t think as much of the future, they have a more immediate perspective on things, and they don’t care so much about a future in which their kids can do more.

    That is the Sea Change – that the multi-race multicult does not work to their (White) advantage.

    Yeah, of course there was a sea change in the 20th century – and it was the one TOWARD the multicult. This one is AWAY from – hence the phrase!

    I would ask that you not respond, unless you get these basic premises, that reflect White interests, and White advocacy.

    White interests are opposed to a multi-race living arrangement. There is nothing more to say on the matter.

    Concessions can be made – to a point. That point is about now.

  8. The fundamental difference in perspective, is that some animals are saying let’s make the best of it, and others animals are saying this is not going to work and we are going to do something else.

    Those animals willing to do something else, and do whatever is necessary to do something else, generally speaking – are STRONGER and SMARTER, and they have more LIFE FORCE – and they will need it.

    So yeah, they are the BETTER sort, the better class.

    This idea is part of r and K selection theory – which is not obscure or particularly difficult. But i would advise nikcrit to look into it before continuing with this conversation.

    On r and K selection theory, i have proposed that those different life strategies are activated “epigenetically” and so are not entirely predetermined. In other words any animal in a population (well, most of them anyways) has the potential to lean this way or that, and that proclination might be activated at any time. In other words, wolves can be domesticated, and rabbits can fight.

    We’ve been tamed, by our own culture, and now we have to remove ourselves from that culture, and that requires considerable willpower, but probably it is all just more circumstantial – things will run their course.

    But those animals with the willpower and strength to see where things are going, and who are going to stick up for themselves, and fight, yeah, of course they are the better sort. They will not concede to a living arrangement in which their kids have to waste their time and energy in a constant struggle with browns and blacks for playground supremacy. Their kids don’t know how to make steel, because they are kids – but they do, so why should their kids not have that advantage.

  9. but then get sucker-punched when they start waxing all rhapsodic and reverent over, say, John Denver and Kenny Rogers and Def friggin’ Leppard, for God’s sake?

    I am not saying you are consigned to the basement, nikcrit. I will still talk to you – until i won’t. There have been quality posters – think hardscrabble_farmer at GLP, who is an excellent writer with his own blog – who wrote you off and expressed bafflement about why others put up with your nonsense.

    And the above quote, is in fact, more nonsense.

    My rhapsody and reverence was not on the music of Denver and Rogers – but on the culture that it expressed – which was a nascent white culture that sadly failed to establish and got swept away and lost, and so here we are.

    See the difference? Ten to one, you will come back and say that you see the difference – but if you did see the difference between reverence for their music, and a rhapsody of nostalgia about a time past and the people who lived it and what that means to us today – well if you understood that distinction, then why isn’t that understanding evidenced in your writing?

    In other words, nikcrit can only say that he gets the point, AFTER it is pointed out to him.

    Which is the reason why our conversations go nowhere – because i find myself teaching a catch-up class at the community college, rather than conversing with adults.

    As a footnote, i will say that the music of those guys can be appreciated, but yeah of course it is dated. Again, it is the datedness that is signifigant! – which is about the cultural expression OF THAT TIME.

    But again, that point was lost on the guy in the doghouse, who insists on his dog language and though he knows some words can’t get the larger meaning because he doesn’t think in those terms.

  10. “This idea is part of r and K selection theory – which is not obscure or particularly difficult. But i would advise nikcrit to look into it before continuing with this conversation”

    OK, but that’s being a lot more specific than what you said originally; had you mentioned the above point earlier, i would’ve refrained from making my point. But lacking that, i think your grousing was vague and could’ve come from many-upon-many sources of discontent, not necessarily socio-racial ones, etc.

    Not everyone is monocultural; and it’s subjective to assume those who are lack something essential.

  11. There have been quality posters – think hardscrabble_farmer at GLP, who is an excellent writer with his own blog – who wrote you off and expressed bafflement about why others put up with your nonsense.

    That guy was a silly fool; i thought his comments were ridiculous; the guy occasionally praised my comments —- but after i disagreed with him once, he went off on a hysterical tear into me,making ridiculous accusations, somewhat like you’re doing here.

    Look, if you’re uncomfortable communicating as equals, so be it; but please don’t demand this rote and ridiculous protocol in which the minority must show deference; we are NOT that culturally different here, at least in terms our blog commentary and its interactions. Otherwise, it’s just boring and predictable, that ‘strawman-caricaturization’-thing i’m constantly warning about.

    BTW, the true tone of that pop-music comment of mine was self-deprecating and envious on my part; lighten the fuk up, elk!

  12. My rhapsody and reverence was not on the music of Denver and Rogers – but on the culture that it expressed – which was a nascent white culture that sadly failed to establish and got swept away and lost, and so here we are.

    I would say their legacies live on through a wide swath of contemporary performers; in fact, many of the ‘new country’ or even ‘bro’ country’ genre advocates broke into market because of the genre-stretching achievements of Denver and Rogers and their likes. Or would you suggest that I wouldn’t notice or understand Kenny Rogers white cultural pedigree because I’m a NAM? lolzz!

  13. For a long while, what was called WN but is more contemporarily referred to as questions of White Identity, was mockingly despised as the domain of basement dwelling losers.

    WIW,
    This was what likely prompted me to use the term ‘wn’; i would figure that is the more widely shared definition, thus, it would be more clear on my part, etc.

    But in fact, I too think ‘white identity’ is a more apt and specific term for contemporary times.

    ps.— what is Hardscrabble’s blog address? i’d like to look in and lurk a few times…

  14. Look, if you’re uncomfortable communicating as equals, so be it; but please don’t demand this rote and ridiculous protocol in which the minority must show deference

    Yet another case of you missing the point.

    No one is expecting any deference, on the basis of identity – at least not yet.

    However there is a deference to ideas.

    If someone seems to be missing the point, they get castigated.

    Anyone reading through this stuff, i think they will agree that every courtesy is extended to the character of nikcrit – every last fucking courtesy.

    There is no demand for deference – there is a demand for respect for the ideas as presented. If they are misinterpreted, ok well then perhaps the presenter is at fault, to a point – but look, nikcrit, give me a break. People reading this shit are going to say that my ideas are fairly well presented.

    I consider that you raised three issues of contention. First, characterizing the issues that affect White advocacy as WN rather than White Identity. That was an honest disagreement which we have clarified. No fault there.

    The second was your skepticism about the quality of people involved in White advocacy. Which i clarified above. And again, here i find no fault with your raising that question.

    The third was your misinterpretation of the nature of these musings on old popular tunes, and here you missed the point. To repeat – the point that i was making, was not on the music but on the culture behind it and what it meant. Yeah the music IS dated because that music has not stayed relevant because culture and times have moved on – and it is that the culture and times have moved on into this meaninglessness that things are so … uhhg.

    That culture, of John Denver particularly, was trying to get at something. They were not able to establish it. I am not saying that Sunshine on My Shoulders was the greatest song of all time. In that regard you missed the point and got on your high horse. Give me a break.

    It seems to me that you presume for yourself an authority on pop culture – which is primary culture – because of your bi-racial background. That presumption right there is SO typical and SO to the point of the whole god-damned thing – that White people are denied that presumption of perspective and cultural authority – because hey they’re just white people right, stale pale old male – what would they know?

    And that is the ongoing presumption – that White people just need to get off the Stage. Whose perspective has authority depends on whose perspective is being considered, and whose perspective is valued.

    And in that sense – since the theme in this part of the net IS about the White perspective on things, perhaps some deference is in order. Frankly, nikcrit – i have had my share of the multi-race perspective on things. I would say they could STFU, but they don’t want to and will not – and so that is why we have a problem.

  15. The third was your misinterpretation of the nature of these musings on old popular tunes, and here you missed the point.

    Ok, i see your point and think it’s a fair one; more specifically, what i feel i did was sacrifice your clearly stated and more specific point in the service of my goal of being self-deprecating and envious of your and PA’s relative ‘pop innocence,’ e,g, my ‘jaded Grinch’ remark. Granted, that too is perhaps disrespectful. But it at least makes clear that I wasn’t leveling some ideological challenge to your real point re. Denver and Rogers, etc.

    It seems to me that you presume for yourself an authority on pop culture – which is primary culture – because of your bi-racial background.

    No, not at all; i don’t even see how that would follow. What I do though is probably just as annoying: I sometimes presume higher expertise because of my background of being a pop arts newspaper and magazine critic for over ten years —– which is just as falsely presumptous in its own way, and actually sort-of against the entire purpose of ‘pop arts.’
    FWIW, I totally get your point about Denver and Rogers; in fact, it caught my attention when you went onto that side-riff about how, somewhat ironically, Denver privately was sort-of pensive and solitary and troubled in contrast to his sunny, ‘Rocky mountain high’ public image, etc. I was aware of that, too; in fact, Denver was my first celebrity interview, a phoner, in the earliy 90s; i still have as a memento a newspaper-insignia memo piece of notepad, on which the dept. secretary wrote: “Nikcrit, John Denver called you back at 3:17.”

    And in that sense – since the theme in this part of the net IS about the White perspective on things, perhaps some deference is in order.

    Yes, indeed. I do think i’m mindful of that; eg., my frequent manifesto on why i think it’s good for partisan blogs to have respectful dissenting critics, etc.; idk, is it the chicken or the egg: am I respectfully presenting non-white perspective and perhaps providing balance? Or interloping on alien turf and leveling unwanted interventions?
    Well, it depends on who and when you ask.

    In any case, I appreciate your detailed responses; it would be easy to just dismiss commentary and opinions opposed to the prevailing group; fwiw, i think it’s a sign of ideological integrity that they are not.

  16. Nikcrit“PA in particular —– and i think it has something to do with an innocence bestowed by his being an immigrant”

    I am amused whenever you take that tack. I came to the US in my early teens three-plus decades ago. Went to high school here, served as an enlisted grunt in the US armed forces, finished college and grad school in the US, and had virtually no contacts with my native country or my native culture here in the States until my late twenties. I speak perfect English with barely a hint of an accent. Most of the girls I dated (and all of my LTRs, except marriage) were to normal American girls. From the time of settling in the US through now, all of my closest friends have been Americans. My career has been in a 100% American (and “American”) environment. I really do not have any sense of wonder or strangeness on account of living in a different place than the one in which I was born.

    Your cynicism about pop music is understandable, given your past professional life. And I think you are misunderstanding where I come from on those occasional music posts. Here is where I come from:

    When blogging, it’s good to break up the serious stuff with levity or whimsy to avoid heaviness. Per Schiller / Beethoven: “O Freunde, nicht diese Töne.” It’s also fun for me to get a bit self-indulgent and write about stuff that I have idiosyncratic connections with, such as teenage memories associated with a song, or my amateur guitar hobby. Subjective fluff about songs everybody knows is good for a change of pace — as long as it is not so self-indulgent that nobody wants to read it. For that reason, I made an effort to make it fun for other to read despite its subjectiveness.

  17. It is good that things can be hashed out, to some extent.

    It is hard to say, who is missing the “tone” of the other’s (and others’) posts – but i concede that my perspective is as subjective as anyone else’s. Without admitting to anything more than that, everyone sees things, to some extent, in terms of what it means to them. When that tendency gets lopsided or dysfunctional, it is called narcissism, which tendency these days abounds, and which subject is a good one, for another time. But on the other hand and in its defense, a person who doesn’t see his own interests in other people’s actions, is at a disadvantage.

    I only bring that up because it explains a lot of disagreement.

    When people are working toward the same goals, then those disagreements are more easily overlooked. But when people are at cross purposes, then disagreements based on perceived meaning and interests, increase.

    I don’t consider that nikcrit and i are entirely at cross purposes. PA addressed a Christmas post to people of good will, which is something to aspire to.

    I would like to convincingly present a moderate political platform, in the name of White advocacy, and it is pretty simple. It has to do with wanting the best for White people, and the best for other people too.

    WN was notorious for its RaHOwa!-ing which neologism i leave as a riddle for the uninitiated. That can’t be the solution – or realistically, it can’t be the political solution. Unfortunately, things often (usually) do come down to just that.

    Thinks coming down to just that, is otherwise said as, Patience is wearing thin.

    Anyone who thinks for a second that all this shit is just empty internet posturing, is a fool. I write blog posts on the internet, because i am good at it. Other fellows true up their guns. No threats meant but mam? them is the facts.

  18. Could i do the last post over, i would leave out the last paragraph, because it could, with bs legal reasoning, be interpreted as threatening which it is not.

    However, please leave it in – because it’s true.

    Recently (here i think), the other day, i was trying to get at how stupid these top paid journos and opinion-makers must be, to miss the facts on the ground.

    I want to hear some description, of the Enforced Mixed-race Multicult.

    Our personal stories about how much it sucks.

    People are tired of my bus fucking route stories. But how about young people in high school? they have lots of stories, … but they don’t have the confidence and perspective to tell them! Catch-22.

  19. Suburban_elk “I would like to convincingly present a moderate political platform, in the name of White advocacy, and it is pretty simple. It has to do with wanting the best for White people, and the best for other people too.”

    Ironically, white nationalism, even at its most uncompromising in terms of goals, is what is best for White people and for other people too. It is a matter of self-determination. This was a 19th century Romantic rallying cry in an age of avaricious empires, and meta-trends of history are taking us there again.

    — “because it could, with bs legal reasoning, be interpreted as threatening which it is not.”

    I am not a lawyer but in my opinion no reasonable person would construe what you wrote as a direct specific threat or incitement to violence against an identified target, which is where I believe that the law takes online threats seriously. There is a lot of anger EVERYWHERE and expressions of it, as well as dispassionate analysis of the situation, are all over the internet. Hell, half of Twitter — to look at things at the other side — is Dindus saying “kill White people.”

    On our side, Vox Day talks about Brevik and upcoming nationalist bloodshed in Europe. SJWs try to pin incitement on him in vain, as he makes it clear that he is warning, not wishing for. For my part, I’ve posted a photo of Ceausescu’s execution in threads that discuss Merkel. I wondered for a moment if that can get me in hot water — I have layovers in Germany on my flights east. But then I saw that that I am simply making a statement about due process in historic context, while exercising my right to free speech in condemning European genocide.

  20. When people are working toward the same goals, then those disagreements are more easily overlooked. But when people are at cross purposes, then disagreements based on perceived meaning and interests, increase.

    I appreciate that point being specfically cited and acknowledged; i totally agree with it.
    In fact, I regret my being critical and calling names upon you mentioning Hardscrabble Farmer, because all that happened was that he and I had a disagreement that was quite bridgeable or serviceable, but at that point instead of being mindful of those above-mentioned ‘meanings and interests’ he instead went totally ‘team-white-vs-team-black’ on me and got contrary to the point of no return.

    I had become a cartoon-level caricature in his eyes, so there was no further point in even trying to have rational discussion. Perhaps that simply must be at times, but by my lights that is boring and defeats the purpose of having these blog forums, where otherwise contrary characters can engage and perhaps impart something new to the back-n-forth

  21. “That presumption right there is SO typical and SO to the point of the whole god-damned thing – that White people are denied that presumption of perspective and cultural authority – because hey they’re just white people right, stale pale old male – what would they know?”

    I really don’t know how i may leave the impressions that would lay down the groundwork for the above quote.
    The fact is, i have a hard time even CONCEIVING of a culture, period, let alone a ‘pop culture,’ that was truly devoid ‘White people,’ aka western culture or whatever suitable proxy term. Have I really implied otherwise? To me, western culture is meta to the bone. And i mean that with every ounce of candor and integrity that i can muster.

  22. You might would do better with being quiet.

    I know, but c’mon; you’re a rustbelter. You know the deal: ice storm, 45 mph wind gusts; even the bars all but shut down..off work for winter break…i’m going stir crazy; already too much coffee….and i don’t break out the real midwestern potions til after 8 p.m.

  23. The key to Nikcrit is to boldly put him in the frame that he is clearly drawn to, but due our own white liberal upbringing, can hardly articulate. He is not just “halfrican,” but HIGH IQ (>125) “halfrican” and given his background, a conscious contributor to the anti-wS Narrative. There is, at least virtually, almost nothing discernibly “black” about “Nikcrit.” And there is much evidence to believe that this aspect of his self has been largely annihilated? Or just carefully hidden which perceptually amounts to nearly the same thing. .. But this is the passive analysis… The aggressive analysis is the desire for white Supremacy… And “we” have no reason to disappoint and every reason to give Nikcrit all he seeks. A real, mutually benefit relationship.

  24. I’m enjoying and appreciating the comments. Elk’s stuff makes me think. Earlier, Heretic’s comments spurred me to what has thusfar probably been my best post, the Boss series. And as I wrote this, massive deja vu hit me. I’m sober; work night. Those of you buried in snow, have a drink for me.

  25. How mutually beneficial is it?

    We are all going to die, when does the killing start?

    / internet tough guy off

  26. Those of you buried in snow, have a drink for me.

    Please don’t say that lightly. I met a guy with his fingers gone, and one with his arm. I almost passed out once or twice, in the snow. / jokes no funny

  27. We are all going to die, when does the killing start?

    I had a serious conversation a couple of days ago about old age and dying, and the responsibility to be remembered well. TLDR: it is about the next generation. The last line from my “What Have We Learned” post is the essence of my thoughts on that subject. As to killing, it is morally right to waste a home invader.

    My upcoming post covers the general subject of responsibility toward the next generation. Humility is a forgotten part of serving. I just returned from vacation and “meeting the deadline” is a slug. My mind is always clear in the morning.

  28. There is, at least virtually, almost nothing discernibly “black” about “Nikcrit.” And there is much evidence to believe that this aspect of his self has been largely annihilated?

    You probably think it beside the point, but i’m sort of amused by observations like this when, during certain periods of work, i often don’t see more than several white colleagues or students for a few weeks at a time. My after-hours life is much more ‘diverse’; mainly ‘mutts’ like me beside equal smatterings of ‘ebonies’ and ‘ivories’. But i’m hardly ‘deracinated,’ as you clincally put it.

    But let’s ‘annihilate’ the nikcrit avatar for the evening; this is the time of year in which i wish i was presiding over my own family. I really don’t think i’m quite as self-absorbed as i’m often virtually made out to be…… I do really like Midwest living; but days like this one truly do get to me, when you are literally captive to your home for a day asnd it would be a mini-strategic maneuaver taking more than an hour to clean off and dig out your vehicle and ‘re-up’ the groceries and libations…. i couldn’t even make it to hte club today for a workout!

  29. “This fucking guy … ”

    nikcrit, my friend, pal – i will give you a break until the End of Time.

    But i am telling you – from the perspective of the Lurkers, and everyone else – just honor the Quiet. Start now.

    For real, consider it an exercise. They give me a break because i am Suburban_elk. You ain’t earned that, pal. Be quiet. / friendly advice

  30. They give me a break because i am Suburban_elk. You ain’t earned that, pal.

    Ok, elk. Someday, I will merit your mantle. But until then, mummm is the word.

  31. As an addendum to this music focused blog, we note with sadness that Lemmy of Motorhead has passed away from cancer at 70. I was never a Motorhead fan, but the guy was a stone cold legend and I give him mad respect.

    So why do rancid old villains like Soros live to be a thousand, while Lemmy has to die at 70? This is why I don’t believe in god or, alternately, I do believe in Satan.

  32. nikcrit – how much did we ask?!

    and yet still.

    whatever, forget it. peace and cheers.

    It was a Great Joke. did you get it?

    (and if not, … clue in kid.)

  33. i would hope that that joke goes down, as in all-time

    the joke being, that nikcrit is a jerk

    but we entertaining him still, out of fun and good humor

  34. So why do rancid old villains like Soros live to be a thousand, while Lemmy has to die at 70? This is why I don’t believe in god or, alternately, I do believe in Satan.

    This world is temporary, my old friend.

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